September 12, 2025 • 20 mins
Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks are back with a new episode of Move the Sticks. Throughout the show, the guys preview Week 2 of the NFL regular season by looking at the most intriguing matchups and the key factors that could decide each game. (01:20) Then, DJ and Bucky weigh in on whether or not Jon Gruden would be a good fit to be a head coach in college football. (12:48)
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
What's up everybody? Welcome to Move the Sticks DJ and
Buck with you? Buck? How are you doing? Man?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Good? Man good?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Just taking on a full schedule of DJ. We got
games and games and games and games to talk about.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Yeah, we have a great weekend coming up of football,
and this has been a fun weekend. Move the Sticks
really kind of our first full in season week so
we got a chance to you know, have Baldi on Monday,
which was a lot of fun. We had the PPU
ret with us to do our recap of the rookie draft,
a new rookie draft for the upcoming week. We have
(00:39):
these Thursday episodes where we're able to bring in a
good buddy. This time it was Mayock who came on.
Did a great job. Never know where the conversation is
going to take you, but it's just fun to kind
of freestyle with Mike. And then now we get a
chance to look at some of these games that are
coming up this weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, just a lot of games. And you know how
this is DJ.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
It takes a while three or four games before you
know what your team really is. And so we're still
in the discovery stages of the season. Even though there's
some people that are already hitting the red button. The
overreaction thing is in full effect pandemic. That's that's very fair.
We dug into the Philly case game a little bit
with Mike. I want to get some of these other
interesting games that we have coming up this weekend. Uh,
(01:19):
let's start first of all here Chicago Detroit. One of
these team is going to be owing to buck. I
don't I don't like the generic cheese ball. Who needs
it more?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Who can? You know, nobody wants to be owing to
The numbers are not good if you start out ohing too.
But there's a I almost felt a little edgings coming
out of Detroit, like, Hey, this is this has to
have to win, gotta have it type game.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah, I think is more critical for Detroit given the change.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
This is a team that was looking right and high
last year, a team that many expected to be a
Super Bowl team and come back and be a Super
Bowl contendent this year, even though they change coordinators. You
didn't expect it to be a drop off. Man, it
heats up in Detroit if they don't get this win
because now you talk about going from what they were
season to go to Owen, two new coordinators, a lot
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of conversation we now.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
One listen to sport Stark Radio if they follow up
on the short.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
None of this, I think on the Chicago side of things,
uh man, I know everybody's like, you had to finish better.
Started well last week, you got to finish better. I
think the start in this one's huge because Detroit, you're
going to get their best shot coming right out the
gate here. This is a team coming off tough loss.
Expectations sky high for this team. They're going to want
to come out and establish a physicality in this game.
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I think that's what they're going to fall back on
is let's get back to being a real, real physical group.
I think that's Dan Campbell's identity as a coach. So
to me, it's a Chicago you better be ready and
strap on that chin strap nice and is tight early
on this game because they're going to come out, try
and run it down your throats and then offensively, hey
to play smart protect the football early in this ball
game because I think you're going to get a pretty
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big punch from Detroit coming out the gate.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, I think you can get a huge funch.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
And I think what's interesting is the conversation and that
conversation about Hayley Williams and Ben Johnson and does that
force both of those guys to get out of character
when it comes to putting in the game plan, sticking
with the game plan and those things. We know from
an emotional standpoint, Detroit is gonna be ready for anything
and everything, and they're gonna throw a lot at them.
How quickly can Kaylen Williams settle down? What kind of
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answers does Ben Johnson have on tap to settle the
young quarterback down? Those are the things that I have
my eye on when to see this matchup.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah, I think it's gonna be a very very physical game.
How about the game you're going to be at Jacksonville Cincinnati?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Yeah, interesting game, DJ, And it's interesting because Cincinnati didn't
play well against Cleveland, but it got the dub offensive leeve.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
They struggled more than they.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Normally do when you have Joe Burrow on te HI
against Jamar Chase and look, man, they got so many
pass catches already to keep up with all of them.
But you know, to score seventeen points. You didn't have
a lot of yards. This is one where they are
backed into the corner. They're gonna come out slinging it.
To counter that, Travis Hunter is likely to play more
snaps on defense and a zone based these weekend break
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and drive and make plays on the ball and all
that is our perfect fit form. I just don't know
this team is going to be able to play balance
enough to make it where it look it can be
an even Stephen game going to the fourth quarter. That's
from the Jazz perspective. And if you're the Bengals man,
you want to cook with grease right out the gate.
You want this offense to heat it because remember they
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have not been a fast, starunning team in the early
months of the season. Right now they're trending to being
more of what they've been as opposed to doing something different.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah, it was kind of a stinker offensively, but they
still found a way to win against the Cleveland Browns.
I don't think they can do that against Jacksonville. They've
got to be better on that side of the ball.
Pass rush wise. What have you seen from Jacksonville so far?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
I mean, look, they're trying to have an effort but
I mean going against the Panthers is one thing is
completely different. Going against the Bengals and having to deal
with them only the quick rhythm nature of Joe Burrow
but Lynda Brown on one edge and those things. I'll
say this about the Jacks, Josh Ains, Allen Tragon Walker.
They then when it comes to the pass rush, we've
seen them can buy for twenty five twenty six as
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they have to be at that number. I mean, they
got to get on the board early because the weapons
that the Bengals have, you have no shot of defending them.
If you don't somehow get to the quarterback and make
him uncomfortable. Those wide receivers chasing Higgins, they'll just make
you pay for leaving them isolated one on one matchups.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, I'm looking forward to this game and I think
it's gonna be a really, really good game. The one
I'm gonna be at is the Monday Night er in Vegas.
That is, the Chargers and the Raiders as they square off,
both coming off big wins, and Gino played great. You know,
Gino has spent time with the Chargers, you know, I
feel like the organization knows him well and he's He's
just been a real steady, eddy consistent player since he
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became a starter up there in Seattle. On the job
he's done and looked great with Chip Kelly Week one.
They didn't really get Genti super loose in that game,
had some nice runs physical, So I'm excited to see
that offense up close and in person. And then on
the other side of it. You know, Joe Alt's first
game was against Max Crosby. That was on the other side.
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So now Joe Alt to me, looks even better and
more comfortable on the left side. So we'll see if
this Charger offensive line continues to play at the level
which they played justin Herbert he was in attack mode. Buck.
They have a total different receiving core than what they've
had previously, and it's it's kind of fun. It's fun
to watch when you get a lot of options and
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they can't just take away Ladi McConkie and then you're
kind of bite your nails. And Quentin Johnston for the
grief he's taken for, you know, some of the drops
during his career, he had what eight or nine touchdowns
last year, had two touchdowns Week one this year. I
wouldn't be shocked if with the coverage he's going to
get with Keenan Allen out there and with Ladd McConkie,
if you look it up at the end of the
year he's got fourteen touchdowns, it wouldn't surprise me at all.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Now, it wouldn't surprise me. And this is what we
always talked about.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
The league is a system lead for eighty to eighty
five percent of the players that are in it, and
being in a system and being in a role that
kind of fits your skill sets allows you to play
at a high level. It has taken a few years
for the Charges to figure out what Johnson should be,
but it's very very clear where he is on the
predicting order, how they utilize him, that that unlocks his
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superpowers and so terrific number three receiver. Wherever they use
him higher they continue to use him. He gives you
that come from the norm.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Man.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
I got a really good player at really good playmaker
that can make some things happen if he's locked in
and focus.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah, and look, anytime you get Derwin James dayon Henley
rock Bowers like that little triangle of three athletes. I'm
looking forward to see that Hopefully brock Bowers is healthy
and rare to go and we see hit the best
of what he brings, because that's going to be a
really really fun matchup. All right, let's get to another
game here, Denver and Indy again, two teams coming off
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big wins.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Man, this is a good one. Two teams coming off
big wins. I'm gonna take the Denver side, and the
Denver side that.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I want to lean into is the defense, and the
defense continue to be lights out vance Joseph has done
a terrific job of taking a defense that once gave
up seventy cutting down having him playing as physical and feisty.
The other thing is this defense can win it on
his own, but they're gonna need to get contributions, more
contributions from the offense. Camp Bo Nicks get this team
up and going. Can they discover the running game. Can
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they find ways to control the game so there's not
so much on pressure on the defense. They have to
shut down averybody.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
On the other side of it. You know, look at
Indian as well as Daniel Jones played last week. Can
he keep that rolling? I think the middle of the field,
I think there's some opportunities there. I don't think that
Tennessee cashed in on all those last week in that ballgame.
That's a really good defense, don't get me wrong. But
Denver just I mean, if Andy just gets the Daniel
Jones they saw last week, they're going to be in
this game because I don't think their defense is going
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to get run over in this They are physical, They
play really really hard up there in their front seven.
Lou and Aromo kind of a This is like a
little bit of a I would say, a retribution tour
season for him. I mean, he's you don't just get
label as one of the best defensive coaches for all
those years and all of a sudden you have one clunker.
It's like the guy, God, how to coach ball? Like,
that's not it's not the case.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
That is not the case.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
But that's kind of how we treat them. We don't
have patience, we don't have grace or empathy when guys
are going through it. We expect them to continue to
pick up whether they left off injured or not.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
It's not the case.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
And the thing about all of it is like just
trying to bounce back, trying to get yourself back on
track and so we'll see what this looks like.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Let's do one more. We take a break here, Giants, Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Let's go to Cowboys, and let's go with Brian schat Nheimer.
And I believe the Cowboys walked away with their game
versus Philly with a lot of confidence.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
First game without Michael Parsons. They looked around, They're like, hey,
we're still here.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Maybe we can be one of the rare teams that
addition by subtraction works out for them when it comes
to their playoff hopes and those things.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I'll say, Maddie Recluse.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Defense played hard, they played well, they were connected, and look,
you get out hit and out hustle a lot of teams.
And if the Cowboys buy into their brand, makes them
a different kind of team to face. And then with
the offense, Ceey Lamb, you think about Pickens and what
they want to do with Dak Prescott. They want to
throw the ball all over the yard? Can they control
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it with the passing game? To say they're running their
defense up for success. To me, that's why I'm looking
at how Brian Schottenheimer manages the game to really protect
the defense that he just want out there for a bunch.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Of snaps, all right. I think this is a toe
in the water game for the Giants. I think this
is Jackson Dart. I think this is we're going to
give you a series, We're going to give you a
package of plays, however you want to say it. I
don't think that they're going to keep baby in the
corner any longer. I think they're going to let him
get They're going to get a little taste Jackson Dart
in this game. Buck. And I'm just telling you if
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this is my opinion, no inside information, have not talked
to anybody there, but this just feels to me like
if it's as ugly as it was with Russell Wilson
in this offense last week, I don't know when it
will be on a second quarter, third quarter. I think
they say, well, it's going to give just to give
the rookie a little bit, and however he does that
little bit, my mean, we get a little bit more.
That's just what it feels like to me on the
(11:03):
outside looking at So I'm intrigued to watch it to
see what that looks like for them offensively and then defensively.
Going back through that tape, I know that you know,
the production might not show it. I'm telling you, man,
when you watch Abdul Carter and you watch how they're
starting to get him on gos and now if they
can just get that spaced out, fanned out a little
(11:25):
bit more. I know Dallas offensive line played really really
well against Philly. They were able to get some movement there.
But man, I don't want to be I don't want
to be a guard with a three way go an
Abdul Carter in my way. I don't want any part
of that.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
No, you don't want any part.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
And the Giants have to give people to smoke when
it comes to their defense. Their defense is problematic. With
three legitimate high am pass rushers at the disposal on
the edges and that's the larneman on the inside.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
They can get after you in a variety of ways.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
But I worry about their inability to put points up,
like how long can you keep this defense is running
and playing hard when they're not necessarily doing it on
the other end. That's a very frustrating deal that they're
having to kind of cope with. And so maybe you're
right a little toe in the water game, Little Jackson,
dark game to kind of keep us intrigued, to kind
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of keep the antennas up to kind of stay to us. Oh,
maybe they are just about when they can put the
young guy in. Maybe he's gonna be there. We got
to step up and do those things. No easy answer
when it comes to it, but you you know, and
I know Jackson has to get in the games.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
So yeah, it just feels like it feels like that
might be something we see. Let's take a quick break.
I've got a coaching conversation I want to have with you.
I'm gonna catch you off guard with this one, but
I want to get your reaction right after this. All right, Buck,
I don't like hot seat talk. And we're talking about
colleges right here. But now you look around the country
(12:57):
and you see and whispers are already out there. And
Florida Gators had a tough loss against South Florida. They've
got a brutal schedule up ahead here. So who's already
been talking about Hey, Billy Napier, what does that look like?
You know it's his job safe. You hear Alabama with
their you know, early season loss, people are already talking about, hey,
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we can come up with the buyout money. For Kailin
de boor if this thing doesn't work out. So in
a year last year where there's very little movement, very
very few opportunities for coaching changes, looks like this year
some places we're going to see that. So this was
a name that came up the other day, and it's
someone that you've been around, and I thought, you know what,
I haven't asked Bucky this, So I'm just straight up,
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you tell me, would it work or would it not work?
John Gruden as a college head coach, I think.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
He's laying the foundation for He's been on college campuses
more than I've ever seen him, giving pre aim talks
and meeting and meeting rooms. I think this is to
visually help chancellors and presidents get used to the visual
of John Gruden leading a squad, and because the college
game has become more like the pro game, I absolutely
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can see him wanting to the tires and see if
he can do it. Look, he coached me back in
ninety eight ninety nine when he was young and hip,
and he was kind of like the coach that was
celebrated as kind of being the players coach and who
has it all.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
He's older now but he's still a really good coach.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
I would love to kind of see what he's able
to do in the collegiate game because it's vastly different
than what the league was when he left.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
It.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Is it fair to judge him off how Belichick does? Yes,
I mean it away, I mean only different, though, I
mean I don't think that they are.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Yeah, but I only think in terms of like just
the acclimation period, Like how long does it take him
to acclimate to being a college coach as opposed to
our pro coach? The different things that you're dealing with,
different touch points where people have to come at you
and talk to you about certain things. How does he
handle that part of it? It is your show more
so in college, but there's still some people to answer to.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Does he navigate that part of it to get the
job to look like you need?
Speaker 1 (15:09):
So my question, and someone who's been around him, everything
that I know about Gruden is just the challenge of
playing quarterback for him is because of the complexities, the verbiage,
all those different things, and college has become a transient sport.
So you got eighteen to twenty two year olds, you
got them coming and going, you got transfers coming in
all the time, you got young guys, you got to
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get out in the field. He'd have to dumb that
down a little bit, wouldn't he.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I think so. But I think he. I think he's
willing to know.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
I think the things that have helped him since he's
been out the league and the things that helped him
before he was out and he was back, he's deal
with a lot of young players. He's had to talk
to him and counsel them and figure out what they
like and what they don't like. And we've seen him
get frustrated. I mean even was the last year Jackson
Dark going and telling them to snap count and he
was like, he was like, oh no, that doesn't work
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for me. But I think I think he still has
enough cashe the young quarterbacks and young players will want
to play for him. And then it's about him adapting
his scheme, his style or whatever to the collegiate game.
But in today's climbing man, there's a way for everyone
to be able to win and be successful.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
I think he can figure out a.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Way to win. I think I think he's always been
a really, really good coach. He's been a great game planner,
a great game caller. Players who play for him almost
universally love him. I don't ever really hear anything bad
about him. Everybody loves him. And I think you mentioned
like being on college campuses and laying the groundwork. I'd
also say, like him doing stuff with Barstool. Yes, to me,
like Barstool is very is very popular with with kids
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in that college age group. So he's made himself relevant
to a whole new generation by by you know, doing
stuff with them. And so I don't know, it seems
to me like it would be something he would really covet.
And like I don't know which job is going to
come open, and I don't know like where the level
is where you'd be comfortable taking a little bit of
a risk for somebody who hasn't been at the college level,
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but you know, at least in the last halver of
many years. So I think, Man, I think it's an
easy sell when recruiting. I know, you got to have
money now, but you go to one of these big programs,
they all have money. But it's like, man, I will
get you ready. I am going to get you ready
for the NFL, just as Belichick's going to sell that
I'm getting ready for the NFL. It's just now you've
got an offensive guy. And I think the college game
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is kind of morphed into an offensive game. Man, Like,
you can't score a bunch of points, you're not going
to win.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
I mean, And there's also a fun factor in college
People pay.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
They pay big money to come to games, and they
want to be entertained.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
And as much as I love defense, you're not going
to have a lot of thirteen ten games being well attended,
Like people have a tendency to check out. Yeah, but look,
it's a fascinating discussion, is it really. I'm really curious
in terms of if Ruden gets to pick the team,
what's the team that he gravitates towards, and then in reality,
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what are the teams that look for that type of
lead at that time to play called I.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Would think first and foremost he'd be able to recruit
a quarterback. I think you'd get quarterbacks that would want
to go play for him, be trained by him. It's
a specialty of his. The Gruden QB camp is the
selling point to me. You want to know what it's
like to get coached by this guy, get on YouTube.
You can watch a bazillion episodes of him, you know,
breaking down tape and talking ball with all these quarterbacks
that you watch on Sundays. So I don't know. I
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think it'd be fun. I think it'd be fun for
the college game. I think it'd be fun for him.
I think he'd be invigorated by it. It was just
something I wanted to approach with you because it came
up the other day when I was talking to somebody about,
you know, who's going to fill these openings, like who's
gonna you know, what does the movement look like? And
that was a name that came up, and I thought
I got a hit buck on that one.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Yeah no, I mean it's a lot of movement, and
we're at a time where not quite silly season, but
it is funny to kind of play a little matchmaker
when you feel like to see this warming awesome repid
your coaches. Hopefully they able to stave it off, so
hoping they get better performances they stay out of the
lost column. But you know, like I know, the vultures
are circling.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
We had a coach. We had a coach and I
was with the NFL team that had a whiteboard in
his office and all he had was a list of
colleges and he had him color coded and it was
like blue or like green, like purple red. And I
was like, I came in there and I was like, well, COLI,
He's like, oh no, this is like our job board.
So this is red means there for sure getting fired,
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you know, and then it goes kind of on up
the up the colors. But it was something that the
coaches kind of kept alive. But it's just a different
culture in the coach and the world buddies.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
No question.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
All right, that's a quick one today, looking forward to
some great games. We'll be back on Monday with Baldy
joining the show as we break this whole thing down.
I'll be coming to you from from Vegas because I'll
be out there for Monday night. So we will look
forward to having you join us at that point in time.
Right here on sticks
And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
What's up everybody? Welcome to Move the Sticks DJ and
Buck with you? Buck? How are you doing? Man?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Good? Man good?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Just taking on a full schedule of DJ. We got
games and games and games and games to talk about.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Yeah, we have a great weekend coming up of football,
and this has been a fun weekend. Move the Sticks
really kind of our first full in season week so
we got a chance to you know, have Baldi on Monday,
which was a lot of fun. We had the PPU
ret with us to do our recap of the rookie draft,
a new rookie draft for the upcoming week. We have
(00:39):
these Thursday episodes where we're able to bring in a
good buddy. This time it was Mayock who came on.
Did a great job. Never know where the conversation is
going to take you, but it's just fun to kind
of freestyle with Mike. And then now we get a
chance to look at some of these games that are
coming up this weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, just a lot of games. And you know how
this is DJ.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
It takes a while three or four games before you
know what your team really is. And so we're still
in the discovery stages of the season. Even though there's
some people that are already hitting the red button. The
overreaction thing is in full effect pandemic. That's that's very fair.
We dug into the Philly case game a little bit
with Mike. I want to get some of these other
interesting games that we have coming up this weekend. Uh,
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let's start first of all here Chicago Detroit. One of
these team is going to be owing to buck. I
don't I don't like the generic cheese ball. Who needs
it more?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Who can? You know, nobody wants to be owing to
The numbers are not good if you start out ohing too.
But there's a I almost felt a little edgings coming
out of Detroit, like, Hey, this is this has to
have to win, gotta have it type game.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah, I think is more critical for Detroit given the change.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
This is a team that was looking right and high
last year, a team that many expected to be a
Super Bowl team and come back and be a Super
Bowl contendent this year, even though they change coordinators. You
didn't expect it to be a drop off. Man, it
heats up in Detroit if they don't get this win
because now you talk about going from what they were
season to go to Owen, two new coordinators, a lot
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of conversation we now.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
One listen to sport Stark Radio if they follow up
on the short.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
None of this, I think on the Chicago side of things,
uh man, I know everybody's like, you had to finish better.
Started well last week, you got to finish better. I
think the start in this one's huge because Detroit, you're
going to get their best shot coming right out the
gate here. This is a team coming off tough loss.
Expectations sky high for this team. They're going to want
to come out and establish a physicality in this game.
(02:31):
I think that's what they're going to fall back on
is let's get back to being a real, real physical group.
I think that's Dan Campbell's identity as a coach. So
to me, it's a Chicago you better be ready and
strap on that chin strap nice and is tight early
on this game because they're going to come out, try
and run it down your throats and then offensively, hey
to play smart protect the football early in this ball
game because I think you're going to get a pretty
(02:53):
big punch from Detroit coming out the gate.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, I think you can get a huge funch.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
And I think what's interesting is the conversation and that
conversation about Hayley Williams and Ben Johnson and does that
force both of those guys to get out of character
when it comes to putting in the game plan, sticking
with the game plan and those things. We know from
an emotional standpoint, Detroit is gonna be ready for anything
and everything, and they're gonna throw a lot at them.
How quickly can Kaylen Williams settle down? What kind of
(03:19):
answers does Ben Johnson have on tap to settle the
young quarterback down? Those are the things that I have
my eye on when to see this matchup.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah, I think it's gonna be a very very physical game.
How about the game you're going to be at Jacksonville Cincinnati?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Yeah, interesting game, DJ, And it's interesting because Cincinnati didn't
play well against Cleveland, but it got the dub offensive leeve.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
They struggled more than they.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Normally do when you have Joe Burrow on te HI
against Jamar Chase and look, man, they got so many
pass catches already to keep up with all of them.
But you know, to score seventeen points. You didn't have
a lot of yards. This is one where they are
backed into the corner. They're gonna come out slinging it.
To counter that, Travis Hunter is likely to play more
snaps on defense and a zone based these weekend break
(04:00):
and drive and make plays on the ball and all
that is our perfect fit form. I just don't know
this team is going to be able to play balance
enough to make it where it look it can be
an even Stephen game going to the fourth quarter. That's
from the Jazz perspective. And if you're the Bengals man,
you want to cook with grease right out the gate.
You want this offense to heat it because remember they
(04:22):
have not been a fast, starunning team in the early
months of the season. Right now they're trending to being
more of what they've been as opposed to doing something different.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah, it was kind of a stinker offensively, but they
still found a way to win against the Cleveland Browns.
I don't think they can do that against Jacksonville. They've
got to be better on that side of the ball.
Pass rush wise. What have you seen from Jacksonville so far?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
I mean, look, they're trying to have an effort but
I mean going against the Panthers is one thing is
completely different. Going against the Bengals and having to deal
with them only the quick rhythm nature of Joe Burrow
but Lynda Brown on one edge and those things. I'll
say this about the Jacks, Josh Ains, Allen Tragon Walker.
They then when it comes to the pass rush, we've
seen them can buy for twenty five twenty six as
(05:04):
they have to be at that number. I mean, they
got to get on the board early because the weapons
that the Bengals have, you have no shot of defending them.
If you don't somehow get to the quarterback and make
him uncomfortable. Those wide receivers chasing Higgins, they'll just make
you pay for leaving them isolated one on one matchups.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, I'm looking forward to this game and I think
it's gonna be a really, really good game. The one
I'm gonna be at is the Monday Night er in Vegas.
That is, the Chargers and the Raiders as they square off,
both coming off big wins, and Gino played great. You know,
Gino has spent time with the Chargers, you know, I
feel like the organization knows him well and he's He's
just been a real steady, eddy consistent player since he
(05:44):
became a starter up there in Seattle. On the job
he's done and looked great with Chip Kelly Week one.
They didn't really get Genti super loose in that game,
had some nice runs physical, So I'm excited to see
that offense up close and in person. And then on
the other side of it. You know, Joe Alt's first
game was against Max Crosby. That was on the other side.
(06:04):
So now Joe Alt to me, looks even better and
more comfortable on the left side. So we'll see if
this Charger offensive line continues to play at the level
which they played justin Herbert he was in attack mode. Buck.
They have a total different receiving core than what they've
had previously, and it's it's kind of fun. It's fun
to watch when you get a lot of options and
(06:24):
they can't just take away Ladi McConkie and then you're
kind of bite your nails. And Quentin Johnston for the
grief he's taken for, you know, some of the drops
during his career, he had what eight or nine touchdowns
last year, had two touchdowns Week one this year. I
wouldn't be shocked if with the coverage he's going to
get with Keenan Allen out there and with Ladd McConkie,
if you look it up at the end of the
year he's got fourteen touchdowns, it wouldn't surprise me at all.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Now, it wouldn't surprise me. And this is what we
always talked about.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
The league is a system lead for eighty to eighty
five percent of the players that are in it, and
being in a system and being in a role that
kind of fits your skill sets allows you to play
at a high level. It has taken a few years
for the Charges to figure out what Johnson should be,
but it's very very clear where he is on the
predicting order, how they utilize him, that that unlocks his
(07:09):
superpowers and so terrific number three receiver. Wherever they use
him higher they continue to use him. He gives you
that come from the norm.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Man.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
I got a really good player at really good playmaker
that can make some things happen if he's locked in
and focus.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah, and look, anytime you get Derwin James dayon Henley
rock Bowers like that little triangle of three athletes. I'm
looking forward to see that Hopefully brock Bowers is healthy
and rare to go and we see hit the best
of what he brings, because that's going to be a
really really fun matchup. All right, let's get to another
game here, Denver and Indy again, two teams coming off
(07:43):
big wins.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Man, this is a good one. Two teams coming off
big wins. I'm gonna take the Denver side, and the
Denver side that.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I want to lean into is the defense, and the
defense continue to be lights out vance Joseph has done
a terrific job of taking a defense that once gave
up seventy cutting down having him playing as physical and feisty.
The other thing is this defense can win it on
his own, but they're gonna need to get contributions, more
contributions from the offense. Camp Bo Nicks get this team
up and going. Can they discover the running game. Can
(08:12):
they find ways to control the game so there's not
so much on pressure on the defense. They have to
shut down averybody.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
On the other side of it. You know, look at
Indian as well as Daniel Jones played last week. Can
he keep that rolling? I think the middle of the field,
I think there's some opportunities there. I don't think that
Tennessee cashed in on all those last week in that ballgame.
That's a really good defense, don't get me wrong. But
Denver just I mean, if Andy just gets the Daniel
Jones they saw last week, they're going to be in
this game because I don't think their defense is going
(08:41):
to get run over in this They are physical, They
play really really hard up there in their front seven.
Lou and Aromo kind of a This is like a
little bit of a I would say, a retribution tour
season for him. I mean, he's you don't just get
label as one of the best defensive coaches for all
those years and all of a sudden you have one clunker.
It's like the guy, God, how to coach ball? Like,
that's not it's not the case.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
That is not the case.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
But that's kind of how we treat them. We don't
have patience, we don't have grace or empathy when guys
are going through it. We expect them to continue to
pick up whether they left off injured or not.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
It's not the case.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
And the thing about all of it is like just
trying to bounce back, trying to get yourself back on
track and so we'll see what this looks like.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Let's do one more. We take a break here, Giants, Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Let's go to Cowboys, and let's go with Brian schat Nheimer.
And I believe the Cowboys walked away with their game
versus Philly with a lot of confidence.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
First game without Michael Parsons. They looked around, They're like, hey,
we're still here.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Maybe we can be one of the rare teams that
addition by subtraction works out for them when it comes
to their playoff hopes and those things.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I'll say, Maddie Recluse.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Defense played hard, they played well, they were connected, and look,
you get out hit and out hustle a lot of teams.
And if the Cowboys buy into their brand, makes them
a different kind of team to face. And then with
the offense, Ceey Lamb, you think about Pickens and what
they want to do with Dak Prescott. They want to
throw the ball all over the yard? Can they control
(10:10):
it with the passing game? To say they're running their
defense up for success. To me, that's why I'm looking
at how Brian Schottenheimer manages the game to really protect
the defense that he just want out there for a bunch.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Of snaps, all right. I think this is a toe
in the water game for the Giants. I think this
is Jackson Dart. I think this is we're going to
give you a series, We're going to give you a
package of plays, however you want to say it. I
don't think that they're going to keep baby in the
corner any longer. I think they're going to let him
get They're going to get a little taste Jackson Dart
in this game. Buck. And I'm just telling you if
(10:43):
this is my opinion, no inside information, have not talked
to anybody there, but this just feels to me like
if it's as ugly as it was with Russell Wilson
in this offense last week, I don't know when it
will be on a second quarter, third quarter. I think
they say, well, it's going to give just to give
the rookie a little bit, and however he does that
little bit, my mean, we get a little bit more.
That's just what it feels like to me on the
(11:03):
outside looking at So I'm intrigued to watch it to
see what that looks like for them offensively and then defensively.
Going back through that tape, I know that you know,
the production might not show it. I'm telling you, man,
when you watch Abdul Carter and you watch how they're
starting to get him on gos and now if they
can just get that spaced out, fanned out a little
(11:25):
bit more. I know Dallas offensive line played really really
well against Philly. They were able to get some movement there.
But man, I don't want to be I don't want
to be a guard with a three way go an
Abdul Carter in my way. I don't want any part
of that.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
No, you don't want any part.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
And the Giants have to give people to smoke when
it comes to their defense. Their defense is problematic. With
three legitimate high am pass rushers at the disposal on
the edges and that's the larneman on the inside.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
They can get after you in a variety of ways.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
But I worry about their inability to put points up,
like how long can you keep this defense is running
and playing hard when they're not necessarily doing it on
the other end. That's a very frustrating deal that they're
having to kind of cope with. And so maybe you're
right a little toe in the water game, Little Jackson,
dark game to kind of keep us intrigued, to kind
(12:16):
of keep the antennas up to kind of stay to us. Oh,
maybe they are just about when they can put the
young guy in. Maybe he's gonna be there. We got
to step up and do those things. No easy answer
when it comes to it, but you you know, and
I know Jackson has to get in the games.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
So yeah, it just feels like it feels like that
might be something we see. Let's take a quick break.
I've got a coaching conversation I want to have with you.
I'm gonna catch you off guard with this one, but
I want to get your reaction right after this. All right, Buck,
I don't like hot seat talk. And we're talking about
colleges right here. But now you look around the country
(12:57):
and you see and whispers are already out there. And
Florida Gators had a tough loss against South Florida. They've
got a brutal schedule up ahead here. So who's already
been talking about Hey, Billy Napier, what does that look like?
You know it's his job safe. You hear Alabama with
their you know, early season loss, people are already talking about, hey,
(13:17):
we can come up with the buyout money. For Kailin
de boor if this thing doesn't work out. So in
a year last year where there's very little movement, very
very few opportunities for coaching changes, looks like this year
some places we're going to see that. So this was
a name that came up the other day, and it's
someone that you've been around, and I thought, you know what,
I haven't asked Bucky this, So I'm just straight up,
(13:39):
you tell me, would it work or would it not work?
John Gruden as a college head coach, I think.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
He's laying the foundation for He's been on college campuses
more than I've ever seen him, giving pre aim talks
and meeting and meeting rooms. I think this is to
visually help chancellors and presidents get used to the visual
of John Gruden leading a squad, and because the college
game has become more like the pro game, I absolutely
(14:06):
can see him wanting to the tires and see if
he can do it. Look, he coached me back in
ninety eight ninety nine when he was young and hip,
and he was kind of like the coach that was
celebrated as kind of being the players coach and who
has it all.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
He's older now but he's still a really good coach.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
I would love to kind of see what he's able
to do in the collegiate game because it's vastly different
than what the league was when he left.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
It.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Is it fair to judge him off how Belichick does? Yes,
I mean it away, I mean only different, though, I
mean I don't think that they are.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Yeah, but I only think in terms of like just
the acclimation period, Like how long does it take him
to acclimate to being a college coach as opposed to
our pro coach? The different things that you're dealing with,
different touch points where people have to come at you
and talk to you about certain things. How does he
handle that part of it? It is your show more
so in college, but there's still some people to answer to.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Does he navigate that part of it to get the
job to look like you need?
Speaker 1 (15:09):
So my question, and someone who's been around him, everything
that I know about Gruden is just the challenge of
playing quarterback for him is because of the complexities, the verbiage,
all those different things, and college has become a transient sport.
So you got eighteen to twenty two year olds, you
got them coming and going, you got transfers coming in
all the time, you got young guys, you got to
(15:30):
get out in the field. He'd have to dumb that
down a little bit, wouldn't he.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I think so. But I think he. I think he's
willing to know.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
I think the things that have helped him since he's
been out the league and the things that helped him
before he was out and he was back, he's deal
with a lot of young players. He's had to talk
to him and counsel them and figure out what they
like and what they don't like. And we've seen him
get frustrated. I mean even was the last year Jackson
Dark going and telling them to snap count and he
was like, he was like, oh no, that doesn't work
(16:02):
for me. But I think I think he still has
enough cashe the young quarterbacks and young players will want
to play for him. And then it's about him adapting
his scheme, his style or whatever to the collegiate game.
But in today's climbing man, there's a way for everyone
to be able to win and be successful.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
I think he can figure out a.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Way to win. I think I think he's always been
a really, really good coach. He's been a great game planner,
a great game caller. Players who play for him almost
universally love him. I don't ever really hear anything bad
about him. Everybody loves him. And I think you mentioned
like being on college campuses and laying the groundwork. I'd
also say, like him doing stuff with Barstool. Yes, to me,
like Barstool is very is very popular with with kids
(16:47):
in that college age group. So he's made himself relevant
to a whole new generation by by you know, doing
stuff with them. And so I don't know, it seems
to me like it would be something he would really covet.
And like I don't know which job is going to
come open, and I don't know like where the level
is where you'd be comfortable taking a little bit of
a risk for somebody who hasn't been at the college level,
(17:08):
but you know, at least in the last halver of
many years. So I think, Man, I think it's an
easy sell when recruiting. I know, you got to have
money now, but you go to one of these big programs,
they all have money. But it's like, man, I will
get you ready. I am going to get you ready
for the NFL, just as Belichick's going to sell that
I'm getting ready for the NFL. It's just now you've
got an offensive guy. And I think the college game
(17:30):
is kind of morphed into an offensive game. Man, Like,
you can't score a bunch of points, you're not going
to win.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
I mean, And there's also a fun factor in college
People pay.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
They pay big money to come to games, and they
want to be entertained.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
And as much as I love defense, you're not going
to have a lot of thirteen ten games being well attended,
Like people have a tendency to check out. Yeah, but look,
it's a fascinating discussion, is it really. I'm really curious
in terms of if Ruden gets to pick the team,
what's the team that he gravitates towards, and then in reality,
(18:07):
what are the teams that look for that type of
lead at that time to play called I.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Would think first and foremost he'd be able to recruit
a quarterback. I think you'd get quarterbacks that would want
to go play for him, be trained by him. It's
a specialty of his. The Gruden QB camp is the
selling point to me. You want to know what it's
like to get coached by this guy, get on YouTube.
You can watch a bazillion episodes of him, you know,
breaking down tape and talking ball with all these quarterbacks
that you watch on Sundays. So I don't know. I
(18:33):
think it'd be fun. I think it'd be fun for
the college game. I think it'd be fun for him.
I think he'd be invigorated by it. It was just
something I wanted to approach with you because it came
up the other day when I was talking to somebody about,
you know, who's going to fill these openings, like who's
gonna you know, what does the movement look like? And
that was a name that came up, and I thought
I got a hit buck on that one.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Yeah no, I mean it's a lot of movement, and
we're at a time where not quite silly season, but
it is funny to kind of play a little matchmaker
when you feel like to see this warming awesome repid
your coaches. Hopefully they able to stave it off, so
hoping they get better performances they stay out of the
lost column. But you know, like I know, the vultures
are circling.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
We had a coach. We had a coach and I
was with the NFL team that had a whiteboard in
his office and all he had was a list of
colleges and he had him color coded and it was
like blue or like green, like purple red. And I
was like, I came in there and I was like, well, COLI,
He's like, oh no, this is like our job board.
So this is red means there for sure getting fired,
(19:33):
you know, and then it goes kind of on up
the up the colors. But it was something that the
coaches kind of kept alive. But it's just a different
culture in the coach and the world buddies.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
No question.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
All right, that's a quick one today, looking forward to
some great games. We'll be back on Monday with Baldy
joining the show as we break this whole thing down.
I'll be coming to you from from Vegas because I'll
be out there for Monday night. So we will look
forward to having you join us at that point in time.
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