October 1, 2025 • 37 mins
Daniel Jeremiah, Bucky Brooks, and Rhett Lewis make their Week 4 Rookie Draft picks (1:42) before spotlighting Falcons OC Zac Robinson as ‘Coordinator of the Week.’ (7:52) The crew also breaks down the league leaders through four weeks and connects the dots on non–first-round picks making a major impact.(16:10) Finally, they close the show with a discussion on the growing importance of sports psychology in today’s game. (31:06)
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
What's up everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky
and Rhett. Uh htt I feel like we haven't had
we haven't been all this last week in a minute.
Huh yeah, yeah, you know been.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
It's been a tough go for me the last couple
of weeks. Nobody cares, nobody cares.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Where harder.
Speaker 5 (00:21):
But yeah, we're been a little bit of the the
VID you get hit with the no no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
We did have food poisoning followed up by a nice
run of a sinus infection.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
So as you can what was the food if you
don't mind me asking, I.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Don't know if our folks that at our place of
employment would won't.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Wow, yeah I could. I could have warned you on
that front. I mean, sometimes just it just happens.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
You get you caught, you're caught in a tough spot,
and you know, you just gotta you gotta you look,
you gotta push, you just gotta keep going. You just
got to keep your head down to work.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
That's what.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Hey, it needs to come in or any to come
in prepackaging. Buck, that's my that's my yah, packaging. It
is whole food, this whole whole food business. You know,
this whole whole third everybody in the Yeah, all right,
we've we've got some rookie business to take care of today.
(01:19):
We're gonna have the rookie Draft. We'll look back at
where we are on the on the standings there. We've
got our coordinator of the week. We got a fun
topic too. We're gonna look at some of these non
first round picks, uh, not just this draft class, any
draft class that are really having great years and see
by position we can't find some uh some commonality there,
and see what we can learn on guys selected outside
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of the first round. But let's start first of all
here with our rookie draft. Last week I picked up
six points genty by the way, that maybe a little
premature and throwing some dirt on him. Yeah, he had
a great week. So he got me some points. Hampton
Buck got you some a bunch of points too. He
had a great game for the Chargers. Both those rookie
backs played great. And Judkins shoot ratt. He had a
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good week two.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
All of us for over twenty one points.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, that's huge, that's huge. Then we get to the receivers,
Buka has just been easy money. Yeah, so he got
some points there with bucketting some points from McMillan, and
then we get to the tight ends. My swing for
the fences on gatst and did not work out. Warren
every week just pencil it in for Ret for those
three points and Fannin got buck a couple of points there.
(02:24):
So as we sit on the season, I've got nineteen rets,
got fifteen Bucki's got fourteen. So we're all bunched up
there together. And by the way, if you know one
of the things, if you want to keep up with
these rookies, I would encourage you do yourself a favor.
You can watch them all. Just go to NFL Plus
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(02:46):
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So encourage you guys to jump on that if you're
interested in this stuff. But good news, few bucks, You've
got the first pick today and we're going to open
it up. Producer Drew has come up with the idea
that because there's so few tight ends, you know, making
things happen, that we can just lump pass catchers in
there together, so you can end up with two wide
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outs if you prefer buck. Oh that's great to get
one running back and two pass catchers.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Oh that's great. So let's start over with Tyler Warren.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Oh what a shot across.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
Let's make sure this makes sure we take him off
the board. So Tyler Warren number one overall?
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Pick this?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Wow, I like that.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
That's something right there.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
But okay, I feel like that was just I kind
of like, got a spite a shot.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
It's an opportunity to forty five my team.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
We can division right, Like, what what is it? Yeah?
We can.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yeah, he is knows who he's competing for a player,
next level strategy.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Okay, that's a that's a good one.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Now, Like I feel like this is becoming it's becoming
kind of difficult now with the running backs because they're
trying to figure out, you know, what we're doing here
and who's got the best shot, because all three of
them have been playing pretty well. To me, I think
I'm gonna go back to Amari and Hampton here and wait,
you know what, check that Okay, I didn't take my
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didn't take my hand off the chess piece. I did
not take my hand off the chess piece. Yet, give
me a Mecca buka. Excuse me, that's just too easy.
Give me a Mecca boka. There's too many backs, too
many good backs.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Now, okay, that's fine, I've got there are some good
backs to choose from there.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
I know now is Way.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, he's done a nice Harvey popped a little bit
the other day. You know who hasn't really popped yet.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
His I tried to get him to go.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
All right, I'm I'm actually going to scoop up a
running back, though, I'm gonna say gent got going last
week they don't have a buy correct.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
Correct, they're playing the Colts in India.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, I'll still go. I'll go genty there. I'll go
genty for my running back. And then when I go
to the pass catcherska being off the board, I'll take McMillan.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Okay, t Mac playing the hosting the Dolphins. A little
bit of a short week there for Miami, so like that,
go ahead, right, yeah, I am going to go. Uh
then give me Amari and Hampton and so I will
get the guy who's going to take a number two anyway?
So I've got Hampton and then my back to back here.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
No, you're picking second, so that's not how this works.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Go ahead, Buck? Yeah, oh okay, well I guess I'll.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
You get to you get your last two here, Buck, Yeah,
so we.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Take Travis Hunter, we take.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
You whoa coming back?
Speaker 4 (05:38):
That's Monday night football.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
I feel you don't get points for great blocks. I
don't know if that, but.
Speaker 6 (05:43):
Then I know that, but I know it's Monday night football.
Then maybe there's a specially surprise that they're cooking up
for him.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Oh whoa, whoa.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
It's Monday night football, Monday night football. Who doesnt want
to stand on Monday night?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
All right?
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Like that?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
And then and then I'll take I'll take the Browns
running back Judkins?
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Okay like that?
Speaker 5 (06:02):
So yeah, I've got to get another receiver here.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
Hm hmm.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Man, this is an interesting one here, guys. I think
that I would like to pull.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
It's a tough one, guys, is a tough one.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
It's really not Buck, But he's making it.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
So like.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
He's been the same, same same guys every week.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
I think I'm just trying to see if I could
bring somebody new into the conversation. Here, give me Jaden Higgins.
I just did a thing on him yesterday and one catch,
one touchdown. So my my nugget on that was Jaden
Higgins was Yeah, he said one target each of the
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last three games.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
It's coming betting on the com there. I'll go ahead
and take Harold fannin. I'll go ahead and go that route. Uh,
you guys left me that one. So yeah, I'm a
fan of his. So it's funny like if you look
at he's been the most productive, it's been the two
tight ends, but Warren and Fannon have been the guys
who have been the most consistent. So there we go.
I've got gent McMillan Fanning.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
Running back instead.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yeah you're done. Reet's got a booka Hampton Higgins and
yeah it's rhet Bucky has Warren, Hunter and Judkins with
a little spice on the Hunter pick. By the way, there,
I think some ears perked up from from someone listening.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
By the way.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Another another one Worth just kind of thrown into the mix.
Here is our guy Woody Marks then in Houston.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Now he's rolling get into a little bit.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
When we talk about some of these rushing leaders.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah, excited about that. We'll get to that discussion in
a moment, but before we do that, it's time for
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dot com. All right, when we look at the coordinator
of the week, I'll give you the bio here, and
we were joking about how long this person's going to
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stay in this job, not because he'd been in the
danger of losing it, but because his own matter has
an opening. So this week's coordinator of the Week is
Atlanta Falcons offensive coordinator Zach Robinson. He has been the
OC there since twenty four. In his first season as
an OC in twenty four, Atlanta's offense ranked sixth in
yards per game, fifth and passing yards per game, tenth
and rushing yards per game. Obviously hired by Raheem Morris.
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There's a connection there going back to his time under
Sean McVay with the Rams. In this ballgame, they put
up thirty four points. Jan If I'm saying that correctly,
career high hundred and six receiving yards on four catches,
Pennis through for a career high three hundred and thirteen yards.
Right now, they are ranked seventh in offense, fifth and
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rushing offense, and Robinson leads the league in scrimmage yards
through week four to five and eighty four. On the
background for Zach before Atlanta mentioned the Rams, he was
there from nineteen to twenty three. Quarterbacks coach, pass game coordinator,
assistant wide receivers coach were the roles he had there.
How About prior to that, how about in seventeen and
(09:11):
eighteen working for PFF as an analyst, Yeah go, following
his stadium as a graduate assistant the University of Oklahoma
in fourteen and fifteen. He was a as a player
as a quarterback at Oklahoma State from six to nine.
He was a up quarterback backup quarterback with the Patriots
Lines Bengals Rams practice squad for the Rams in ten
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to thirteen. So there's kind of the like kind of
giving the resume there of where he is. But Buck,
we've got an opening at Oklahoma State, and that seems
to be the name that everyone has put right there
at the tippy top of the list.
Speaker 6 (09:45):
I mean, why not if you're him, you had opportunity
to go back stepping to the shoes of Look, Mike
Gummy left a great legacy in huge footprints.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
But he was there.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
I mean, yeah, he was there forever Zach played for him,
Zack certainly knows and lay out and land, And it
comes down to like quality life.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Does he want to be an NFL coach?
Speaker 6 (10:04):
Does he see himself being an NFL head coach where
he's okay going back home, going back to the Almah
mind and being a head coach at that level. Money's
comprom all that other stuff, Like he's.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
A great mind.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
And what the work did he did last week with
Michael Pennix and the way that they bounce back off
of a drubbing to come off to mat and play
very very well against the Commanders says a lot to
what he has done and what he continues to do
as a play called.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Yeah, I mean, obviously, you know, when we get into
scheme and stuff like that, we can get really complex
with it, right, with all the different you know, shifts, motions,
personnel groupings, concepts, the whole thing. But I think there's
a simplicity to understanding what you have at your disposal.
Bobby Petrino is back in the news that he's back
at Arkansas leading the Razorbacks.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Right.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
His son, Nick Petrino, is the offensive coordinator of Missouri State.
Had a chance to do their game against USC not
a great showing, but enjoyed getting to spend some time
with Nick because he gave us some insight into Bobby
and and some of what you know his His philosophies
and foundational principles are the thing that he kept coming
back to is f t s and gets f You can.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Fts good know where you're going with the F party.
Speaker 7 (11:19):
Feed the studs, Feed the studs, get the ball in
the hands of the guys who are your best players, Like,
there's just no universe to me where Ray, Ray McLeod
and Darnell Mooney and with.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
All due respect are getting more targets and more opportunities
than Drake London uh and Jon Robinson and Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Say that a little bit lightly, but I think this
was the best, the best formula, the best game in
which we've seen the Falcon's best.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Players utilized the most.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Right.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I mean it seems obvious, right, but obviously getting the
ball to Jon Robinson handing it off maybe a little
bit easier than trying to find ways to get lun
in the football.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
But they didn't they know what they did to me.
They did it early for Drake.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Four targets in the first quarter, seven in the first half.
He had ten total, caught eight of them for a
buck ten and a touchdown. Kyle Pitts this is the
most efficient game I think we've ever seen him play
five targets, five catches, and got a touchdown for the
first time this season. I feel like the way they're
using Kyle is kind of interesting a little bit too.
They are lining them up just kind of as a
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receiver a fair amount this year, which makes a lot
of sense, certainly more fitting, I think for what he
does out there, just as a big wide out. They
do kind of semi attach him a little bit, but
he's not getting into a three point stance.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
He's just check.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Releasing, and they give him the ball three yards downfield.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
He takes two steps.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
It's a seven yard game.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
It was just like there's just some kind of simplistic
stuff there that just makes sense with the you know,
the best way to utilize these guys's talents. So I
thought that was I thought that was just you know,
kind of a you know, get back to the basics
of getting the getting your best players of football.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
By the way, Buck, that was different than what i'd
heard fts feed the sets because I had heard it
was n M M no more motorcycles. But I was reading. Sorry,
I had that one. I was ready to roll one.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Now, Zach to me, why would you I respect your
alma mater. You had a great experience there. It's always
gonna have a special place in your heart. Dude. You
are on the tree that is producing one NFL coach
after another, underneath Shanahan like you were underneath that umbrella.
That is gold. That is gold. That is the currency
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of everyone that everyone is looking for at NFL head
coaches do not go to college. And I wouldn't advise
you don't even take a good college job, because there's
a lot better jobs in Oklahoma State. But you're you're
right there. You're knocking on the doorstep of an NFL
head coaching gig. You want to change over your roster
year after year after year. You want players coming into
your office and wanting to renegotiate in the middle of
a season, Like why would you. Why would anybody? I mean,
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I know the money can be the money buck, but
why would anybody sign for that right now?
Speaker 4 (14:07):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
Maybe brings Dez Brian Beck as wide receiver coach, and
some of those other great players that they've had run through.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
The Williams coaching the d line, you know, bring brings
the gang back together. I mean I remember going through
there and R. W. Mccorters coaching secondary.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
He just just get the homies and bring it there.
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
I guess it depends on his affinity for his alma mater.
We know that they have lasting power. Look at that along
Mike gun he was on the job.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Pettigrew coaching the tight ends and forever.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Olly Gordon's busy. Maybe Barry Sanders would come back.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
And uh, Thomas, anybody you got, you got a bunch
of them. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Look, I do think twenty million dollars is probably what
we're talking about here a year if you think about it,
no total, in total, in total.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, why would you do that as a top tier
offensive corner and you can make four it's twenty million bucks?
I know, But your off if he if he were
to just get that offer and if they have success
this year, he could go to Arthur Blank and say,
I want a four year, thirteen fifteen million dollar contract
to be the OC. You don't even have to change jobs.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
You can get over okay thirteen, Okay, red you and
Indiana twenty million and thirteen.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Yeah, look, look, the money is the money.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
But I understand DJ's ultimately you know, if you're getting
a head coaching job in.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
The league, Sirianni's making like fifteen million a year.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Yeah, now there's there's probably less patience in the league.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
One of those deals.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
All right, we went, we got off the rails there,
but hey, good for him. He's got the falcontrol in
their fun offense to watch. That was that was Hot
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All right, let's let's take a quick pause. We come
back one hit on some of these some of these
non first round players that are having success this year
and see if we can't learn something. We'll do that
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right after this. All right, guys, here's the project we're
working on. I'm going to give you some leaders in
terms of some statistical categories, and I'm not going to
talk about guys who are picked in the first round.
They're off limits, So we're only going to talk about
the guys picked outside of the first round. I want
to see if there's any connective tissue between these players.
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Is there something that they have in common, or is
there something we can learn about? You know where you
can find players like this in the draft. So let's start.
First of all, let's go to the receivers. Let's go
to the receiving leaders in the NFL. And right at
the top of the list, we have a non first
round pick. It is leading in everything. Is Pooking the awesome?
He is awesome. You've got five hundred and three yards already,
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over one hundred yards more than number two on the list.
Who is JSN with Seattle. So we've got Pookinakua's on
the list at number one. He's a fifth rounder. Then
you go all the way down to the seventh leader
and that is Amanas Saint Brown was a fourth rounder.
And then we get to ten. Who is GP George,
So it's it's Amara, Saint Brown and George Pickens. Is
there any connective tissue? Buck when you look at those
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three names, I.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Think that is the one position where I still don't.
Speaker 6 (17:11):
Believe that you have to take a first round pick
to be able to get a number one receiver, and
the reason why it's been proven time and time again
that you can find people outside of it. When I
look at these guys, I can't say that there's a
common denominator. Puka was hurt and beat up in college, Amamara,
Saint Brown was just undervalued, and George Pickens was a
bit of a mystery based on things at Georgia whatever.
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I will say, it's the developmental process for all of them.
Nakua and Saint Brown. They go to systems where they
had a clear plan for what they wanted to do,
and George Pickens is just special as a talent. But
I can't say that I see a common denominator between them.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I think George is off to the side RTT. I
think I can physical well, it's also physicality, and it's
also just the overall instincts and feel like their feel
instinct players.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Well, and they they did go into great situations with
really creative offensive schemes that absolutely better than maybe anybody
else in football, find ways to get the ball in
the hands of their best player, Like, you can't take
them away. You can't take Pook out of the game.
You can't take them Monroe Saint Brown out of the game.
They are going to get their touches, They're going to
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get their targets, They're going to get their catches. And
I think when you look at Puka, I mean even
on Monroe Saint Brown to a certain extent, like they
are two of the receivers that are probably in motion
as much as anybody else in the league from that
position too, so you're not getting to read on them,
you know, every time, not just lining up you know,
old Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne style right and left. Not
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to say that they were easy to take out of
the game either, but I do think that these these
you know, offensive coordinators and these schemes and these coaches
are finding ways to get those two guys the ball
in particular, maybe more so than some others that we
see that have top flight, number one type receivers that
kind of struggle at times.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
I do think though, there's a profile for the top
receivers in the league, and that's a first round profile
for the most part. Drew put it in the in
the chat here seven of the top ten are first rounders,
and that's why pickens to me he should be clumped
with the other seven. It should be eight. He was
a first everybody agreed it was the first round talent.
He had all the prototypical skills and heighth weight, speed,
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all that stuff. So it's almost like eighty percent of
those top guys are first round picks. The outliers are
Puka and Amanra, and they are exceptional because they're ability
to play inside outside, Their physicality, toughness, intelligence, like all
that stuff put together makes them special. But the exception,
you know, most of the top guys, as we get
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in some of these other positions, you're going to see
there's a lot more non first rounders.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
DJ.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Would you say that that is a harder eval to
find the pooka and to find the amana.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
I think I think yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
I think it's probably what you know, Buck, going back
into the nineties. I'm sure that NBA scouts if you
talk to him during that era, like we found the
next John Stockton and it's like, no, there's a profile.
That guy is kind of the exception to it. Stop,
you know, hunting for that, that's that's not there's a
kind of one off type players that are harder to find.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
Yeah, I think I think the main thing in the league.
The league has changed when it comes to wide receivers.
It is now one of the marquee or premium positions.
Look at the way that they're paid in free agency
in postings, so more people are throwing money and resources
at those receivers because, let's be honest, it is cheaper
to draft a first round receiver sometimes than to pay
a free agent receiver when he hits the open market.
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And because of I would say the readiness, how quickly
these guys are ready to make an impact because they
catch so many balls from high school to college and
now entering the pros. I think it's easier to get
a well developed, polished product at that position compared to
some of the other positions.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yeah, let's jump into some of each other position. Let's
get to the rushing leaders here again. Let's go, and
you're gonna I'm gonna give you the point on this
Onett right out to shoot number one. In terms of yards,
we're looking at yards number one, two, four, six, and eight,
So that is five of the top ten were second
round picks. Jonathan Taylor, James Cook, JK. Dobbins, Javonte Williams,
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Derrick Henry. So that's five there. Then outside of that
you have one fifth rounder in Karen Williams, who was
a kind of a scouter's delight. You can kind of
see the Rams doing some serious scouting when you go
through this list of finding guys that they were able
to get a lot out of who were later round picks.
With Puka being a fifth and uh and Kyraen Williams
being a fifth, that's two guys that cracked the top ten.
But when you look at that guys, I mean second
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round picks, running backs seems like a pretty good idea.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
Yeah, I think that's always been the sweet spot you
go all the way back. I mean you just think
about the list of guys that were second rounders. Shady
McCoy was the second round pick, not Alvin Kamara, but
they've been others.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Leveon Bell all that.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
I mean, like there was a there's a line because
what it does.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
It pushed you just beneath the five year contract of
the first round with an option, and then you get
a really good player and because of some would say
the devaluation I would just say that the proper evaluation
of where you can get it, the second round is
the sweet. But then it's just a matter of when
you get to year four, do you continue to pay
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them or do you go back and find another second
round and that can get it done the way that
they were able to.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Yeah, I think I think you're you're on the right
track there.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
I don't know if there's like if there's like a
you know, a profile that or a profile thread that
you could really pull on between you know, yeah, big
backs like jtuh, Derrick Henry. You know JT's had a
great speed too, which is you know, a little bit
of a unicorn in that in that regard James Cook, uh,
you know, kind of kind of scattered.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Uh, you know, it's got great explosiveness.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
I was looking at Buffalo, and you know, I think
that that has been one of the greatest revelations really
like just looking at overall offensive success, is that their
realization that James Cook needs to be the focal point
of our offense, like obviously outside of Josh Allen, Right,
but I was just looking at a couple of things
with them, and you know, they're obviously like a lot
of teams are doing a lot of that inside outside zone,
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but they'll run a lot of kind of those man
schemes where they can clean up the point of attack
a little bit for James Cook. And they do it
with the full back, they do it with a tight
end with you know, they got haws now, and they'll
do it with receivers too. And well, you give James Cook,
you put a hat on a hat, you give him
an opportunity to just find a little bit of daylight.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
And it's he is so good because.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
I looked at one of the things I looked at
was yards before contact, right, so.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
Who's blocking it up the best? It's actually kind of interesting.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Buffalo and Houston are tied at the top of that category,
but when you go to yards after contact, this is
where James Cook's talent comes in. They are double the
amount of production as the Houston Texans. Right, So the
the Bills are blocking it up, but James Cook is
forcing almost double as many mistackles and he's find ways
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to get more yards after contact because one, you just
got a better player there, but a pretty good scheme
as well. So just kind of thought that was an
interesting dichotomy. When you look at like Cook versus a
Nick Chubb again, was it was another second round pick, right,
just different style backs.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah, I don't think there's a profile in terms of
the style of the second round back. What I think is,
I think there's very few guys who were viewed as
the A plus backs, and those are the Christian mccaffreys,
you know, those guys, the Bijon's, Like, those guys go
in the first round, and then what teams have realized was, Okay,
there might only be one or two A pluses there.
Every year, there's a handful of B plus's A minuses,
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and there's no reason to take a B plus A
minus in the first round because of the numbers. There's
enough guys there where I might you know, Trayvon Henderson, Judkins, Like,
there's gonna be three or four of those guys I
have similarly graded. So I'm going to get one of them.
I don't have to take I don't have to take
one of the first round. I'm gonna get one of
those handful of guys I really like in the second round.
So it's kind of been a supply issue. Yeah, there's
enough supply on a yearly basis in that clump that
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teams will say, yeah, no, I admit that guy's better.
Those one or two guys that could take in the
first round are better, but not significantly enough where I
wouldn't just wait and take one in the second round.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
Buck.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
No, It's it's a debate that you have to make
right and a lot of times just take one in
the top ten or don't take one at all.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
That typically how it plays out.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
Jamior Gibbs is right up there.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Yeah, like, take one.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
Up there who has special talent, special abilities, or wait
to the second round to get a guy that you.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Can really hang your hat on.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
It's just an interesting thing because as the NFL shifts,
as it has moved away from being a run heavy game.
I remember in the early two thousands when those three
running backs win the top it was like Ronnie Brown said,
you Benson, and I can't remember who the other one was,
the cardinal.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Yeah, Cadila like Williams.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
They all went bank, bank bang to Now we're talking
about no pause on the running backs. Let's go get
the wide receivers. This makes you we take care of
the passing game for the quarterback. Oh, by the way,
we'll get it back in the second round. It's worked out.
The league is has kind of come to that evolution.
But it's so fascinating to see these second round has
have so much success.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
No doubt. Interesting when you go through only in that
top ten, George Pickens was the only receiver in the
second round to only one of those, which you used
to be a time when that was flipped as you
were saying, second round used to be the wide receiver round.
Now it's running.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Last year, lat McConkey was right there as the top
of the second round type of guy.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
But there's been I feel like there's been some some
misses of second round picks at the wide receiver position too.
I feel like running back has been a little higher
hit rate than those receivers that my man from Washington
to the Patriots is Polk is the one that jumps
in front of mine there. All right, let's let's keep
it rolling here, let's go to let's go to the
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other side of the ball and just hit on I
just want to hit on one position here and then
we can we can wrap this thing up. But I
wanted to go through these sack guys, so leaders in
sacks this year. You know, you you start with Brian
Burns first round pick, so let's get the non first rounders.
Tied with him. Actually is Byron Young with the Rams,
he was a third round pick Rams doing some scouting,
Man Benito second round pick with Denver. You get an
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undrafted free agent Carl Granderson. He had some legal stuff
going on at the time, which is like he went undrafted.
Daniel Hunter was a third round pick. He's tied for
tied that six, tied for sixth on this list. You've
got Twoey Polo two had all four sacks last week
in one game against the Giants. And Jackson Darts first
campaign second rounder, Harold Landry second rounder. So that's the
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list of the guys. Ret an any obvious connective tissue
there or anything that thinks out to you.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Yeah, I mean, like the the guys that are going
beyond the first round, you know, they're not like the
adonisis right, They're not like the Miles Garrett Nick. But
I think you know when you look at although you
know Byron Young's a you know, a good looking dude
from a from a high weight, you know perspective, but
like Nick Benito was a little undersized, right, Harold Andrey?
You know, was it a scheme fit?
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Right?
Speaker 5 (28:01):
Could he be a four down?
Speaker 1 (28:03):
You know?
Speaker 5 (28:03):
Was it? You know, is he going to be more.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Of a finesse rusher?
Speaker 5 (28:06):
Yeah, finesse Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Like I think there's just there's like there's just something
something missing, a little bit in the profile that would
say like, hey, this dude is a bona fide edge rusher.
He's going to be you know, he's six foot three,
you know, two hundred and sixty five pounds, sixty four,
two hundred and seventy pounds, like runs a four or five.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Like, there's something off, right, you're a tweeter. I think
we talk about a.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Lot that ends up, you know, pushing guys from the
first of the second.
Speaker 6 (28:32):
You know, it's it's interesting when we talk about that.
I think, is, uh, they're more likely one trick ponies,
but this superpower is overwhelming.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
So when you think.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
About the speed and exploseness of Benito, and you know,
you go in Errol Landry, who I love when he
was coming out of Boston College, like they had a
masterful move and it was the one move that you
saw and you wonder would they be an expand on
it or would they be able to win like Mariano
Rivera and throw the cutter over and over and over.
Yet these guys figured out what they do well then
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they just kind of stick to.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
That plan and that approach.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Power Toulie's Power Hunter was length. Like they didn't have that.
It didn't come with everything. Basically, they don't have the
full the full toolkit. But what they do have is
they have like I always go back to that joke
about one of the coaches told me, like they go
by the by the three Amigos line of like what
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is the one thing you do well? We can sew okay,
we can work when you do that, we can work
with that. Like that is these guys all have something
to hang their hat on. They all have one redeeming
uh strength and let you know, each of them you
can go through individually and find that. But I think
to me, that's that's what it comes down to. If
you're gonna you're gonna get somebody in the first round,
you're hoping they have everything, speed, power, you know, get off,
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bend all that stuff, and we're gonna take guys outside
of that. I don't want a well rounded player. I
want somebody who can either win overwhelmingly one way or
the other with speed or with power, And in Hunter's case,
it was you know, I think even at length was
just so rare, you know that you had something really
to work with there.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
DJ going back to when I was scouting, coaches used
to talk about the NFL is a league for the specialists.
Their job as coaches is to make sure that they
put them in a situation where they always play to
their strengths. And so if you understand that, you understand
that that dynamic is identifying the superpower and then trying
to project out how far they can go with that
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one superpower. Is it really superior to others or is
it nice? But it's not going to be good enough
to be able to win at the NFL level. And
what we're seeing is, look, man, it's better to be
masterful at one thing than to be meant a bunch
of different things. And these guys have one pitch in
their bag that is different than the rest of the pitches.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's the Belichick principle, right.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
It's like, don't tell me what he can't do, and
show me what he can do, and I'll emphasize it,
and I'll make him a star for it. I mean,
there's yeah, I mean it just that sticks out. I
think that's a great point that you make.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
So that's going to get me to the last thing
that I wanted to get to today as we kind
of wrap that whole thing up. I'm listening to this
audiobook right now. I'm going through it and it was
recommended by a bunch of different people as I was
trying to study more about golf and learn more about golf.
And it was called Winning Golf The Mental Game, And
it's like one of the sports psychologists, the guy's name
is Saul Miller, talks a lot about They reference a
lot of that tennis book. What is it, like the
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Art of Tennis or something, That Inner Game? The Inner Game. Yes,
it talks a lot about that, but it's going through
all this stuff and it tells it's talking a lot
about like visualization and how important that is. And it
told an unbelievable story about this guy who was like
a prisoner of war for seven and a half years.
If you'd heard this story at all, but he he
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you know, so he's like think in his mid like
in his thirties, he's and he's he loses over one
hundred pounds. He's only getting like three hundred calories a day.
He's literally in prison camp for seven and a half years.
But what he would do to try and just stay sane,
as he loved golf, and so he would in his
mind every day go, okay, I drove my car parked
here at his course. He'll go, all right, Then I
get out to the tea box for a shot like
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he went. He played that whole round of golf every
day for seven and a half years as a way
to kind of stay sane. So he gets out and after,
you know, a few months after he's out again, he's
lost all this weight. He's obviously super you know, sick
and not not healthy. He goes and plays golf for
the first time and he shoots like in the low
seventies after not having played golf, and like, how the
heck did you do that? So I've played this course
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in my mind every day for seven and a half years,
and it was like speaking to the to the power
of being able to positively visualize things. And it goes
to a lot of the other stuff that talks about
that tennis book Buck where which is you never think
don't hit it here, avoid this, like the no negative thoughts.
It's always like, I'm attacking, this is where I want
to hit it, this is where I'm going to hit it.
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And I start thinking about that and I'm like, man,
now I kind of get why these teams pay all
this money these sports psychologists when you're interviewing players as
you're going through the draft, because there's evidence in proof
that that your mindset in that regard for a lot
of these guys. From a scouting standpoint, you can be
the most talented guy in the world. If you're not
right between your ears, you got no shot.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
You know.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
It's funny, DJ, We've never shared this, but in college
at North Carolina, there are two sports psychologists that I
work with. One was doctor Richard Coop, who was renowned
in the golf world for doing that. And every Friday
night he would have me sit in the ballroom and
literally close my eyes and teach me how to visualize.
And it would start with like filling the sun on
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your things and going to your happy place wherever your
happy place is, and then eventually you.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
Get to playing.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
And he would always have you see yourself making the
play that you want to make from multiple angles, So
see it out of your own eyes, see it from
the eyes of the crowd, and see it from a thing,
and so you begin to put all these things together.
The other thing that he would have you do is
sometimes when you visualize it like it doesn't go the
way that you want, he would have you replay it
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and see yourself doing it perfectly the way that you want.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
And he would.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
Always say, your mind, I can't tell the difference between
a real rep and an imagined rep. So if you
can train it the right way, you can get all
of those things. And so think about the virtual reality
stuff we talk about with Jade Daniels and all of that.
It is all about building this mental bank of positive
thoughts and images and those things in your head. So
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when it plays out, it is almost like deja vu
on the field, as opposed to Oh, I'm surprised I
did this, but in your mind you're like, oh, I've
done this before.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
This is rett. Have you ever thought about that? As
someone who's working calling games, you've been doing that for
a while now, I now like kind of reframes how
you look at things like I think of guys who've
made great calls, Like think about Joe Davis when Freddie
Freeman hits the Grand Slam to walk it off, and
it was you know, Kirk Gibson, and I think he
said like Freddie meet Gibby or something. It was like,
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it was a really cool kind of a moment. When
I was reading that book, I was like, gosh, I
guess even in the broadcasting side of things, when you're
calling games, you can almost kind of visualize, Okay, we're
in the late game and we get a big like
what would you say or how this work or what
would this look like? I never thought about how many
different ways you can use that in whatever you're doing
in life.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Oh yeah, I mean, look, I still remember that the
Minnesota Miracle Joe Buck. I think he said four words.
It was like digs.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Complete sideline touchdown, you know, and like you think about
this great like poetry of it, and it's like, well
maybe maybe you know simplicity, but the but it gave
you the visual like it's all you need it, you know,
if you were if you were really listening to it, right,
And I think it's got the thing that I was
envisioning in my mind when you were talking about that, Bucky,
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when you were mentioning you know, it's like that is
the like your mind's analog version of virtual reality, you know,
of the VR stuff like, because you are giving yourself
the full picture, just you know, through your mind's eye.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
I think that's really powerful.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Yeah, it's interesting stuff. But I would encourage you if
if you're into uh in the golfer, any type of
any type of sport. Really that's a lot of value
in there.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
You mentioned he was getting that stuff back in the nineties,
so I'm kind of new that world in terms of
us how you use visualization those things. So really really cool.
All right, this is a fun one.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
What was that? I said? Nice?
Speaker 3 (36:11):
That's that's yeah, You're you're like a you're like a
golf guy. Now this is weird.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
I've gotten into it, man, you know what I I
And it talks a lot of this about why all
the way?
Speaker 4 (36:20):
All the way?
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Yeah, I sucked to but no I don't because I'm
listening to this book and I'm just improving. I'm on
my way to being a really good golfer. I can
see the path. It's a little can see a little
bit windy, A little bit windy, but it's but it's coming.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
All right.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
That's gonna do it for us, guys.
Speaker 5 (36:37):
Be an empty nester.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Yeah, that's what I got to fulfill my time. I
got my last one almost almost done. We appreciate you, guys.
We'll see you next time right here on movesticks
And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
What's up everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky
and Rhett. Uh htt I feel like we haven't had
we haven't been all this last week in a minute.
Huh yeah, yeah, you know been.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
It's been a tough go for me the last couple
of weeks. Nobody cares, nobody cares.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Where harder.
Speaker 5 (00:21):
But yeah, we're been a little bit of the the
VID you get hit with the no no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
We did have food poisoning followed up by a nice
run of a sinus infection.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
So as you can what was the food if you
don't mind me asking, I.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Don't know if our folks that at our place of
employment would won't.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Wow, yeah I could. I could have warned you on
that front. I mean, sometimes just it just happens.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
You get you caught, you're caught in a tough spot,
and you know, you just gotta you gotta you look,
you gotta push, you just gotta keep going. You just
got to keep your head down to work.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
That's what.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Hey, it needs to come in or any to come
in prepackaging. Buck, that's my that's my yah, packaging. It
is whole food, this whole whole food business. You know,
this whole whole third everybody in the Yeah, all right,
we've we've got some rookie business to take care of today.
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We're gonna have the rookie Draft. We'll look back at
where we are on the on the standings there. We've
got our coordinator of the week. We got a fun
topic too. We're gonna look at some of these non
first round picks, uh, not just this draft class, any
draft class that are really having great years and see
by position we can't find some uh some commonality there,
and see what we can learn on guys selected outside
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of the first round. But let's start first of all
here with our rookie draft. Last week I picked up
six points genty by the way, that maybe a little
premature and throwing some dirt on him. Yeah, he had
a great week. So he got me some points. Hampton
Buck got you some a bunch of points too. He
had a great game for the Chargers. Both those rookie
backs played great. And Judkins shoot ratt. He had a
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good week two.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
All of us for over twenty one points.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, that's huge, that's huge. Then we get to the receivers,
Buka has just been easy money. Yeah, so he got
some points there with bucketting some points from McMillan, and
then we get to the tight ends. My swing for
the fences on gatst and did not work out. Warren
every week just pencil it in for Ret for those
three points and Fannin got buck a couple of points there.
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So as we sit on the season, I've got nineteen rets,
got fifteen Bucki's got fourteen. So we're all bunched up
there together. And by the way, if you know one
of the things, if you want to keep up with
these rookies, I would encourage you do yourself a favor.
You can watch them all. Just go to NFL Plus
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the All twenty two film. That's the key part, that
(02:46):
All twenty two film. It's available on desktop and mobile web.
So encourage you guys to jump on that if you're
interested in this stuff. But good news, few bucks, You've
got the first pick today and we're going to open
it up. Producer Drew has come up with the idea
that because there's so few tight ends, you know, making
things happen, that we can just lump pass catchers in
there together, so you can end up with two wide
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outs if you prefer buck. Oh that's great to get
one running back and two pass catchers.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Oh that's great. So let's start over with Tyler Warren.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Oh what a shot across.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
Let's make sure this makes sure we take him off
the board. So Tyler Warren number one overall?
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Pick this?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Wow, I like that.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
That's something right there.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
But okay, I feel like that was just I kind
of like, got a spite a shot.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
It's an opportunity to forty five my team.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
We can division right, Like, what what is it? Yeah?
We can.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yeah, he is knows who he's competing for a player,
next level strategy.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Okay, that's a that's a good one.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Now, Like I feel like this is becoming it's becoming
kind of difficult now with the running backs because they're
trying to figure out, you know, what we're doing here
and who's got the best shot, because all three of
them have been playing pretty well. To me, I think
I'm gonna go back to Amari and Hampton here and wait,
you know what, check that Okay, I didn't take my
(04:10):
didn't take my hand off the chess piece. I did
not take my hand off the chess piece. Yet, give
me a Mecca buka. Excuse me, that's just too easy.
Give me a Mecca boka. There's too many backs, too
many good backs.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Now, okay, that's fine, I've got there are some good
backs to choose from there.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
I know now is Way.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, he's done a nice Harvey popped a little bit
the other day. You know who hasn't really popped yet.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
His I tried to get him to go.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
All right, I'm I'm actually going to scoop up a
running back, though, I'm gonna say gent got going last
week they don't have a buy correct.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
Correct, they're playing the Colts in India.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, I'll still go. I'll go genty there. I'll go
genty for my running back. And then when I go
to the pass catcherska being off the board, I'll take McMillan.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Okay, t Mac playing the hosting the Dolphins. A little
bit of a short week there for Miami, so like that,
go ahead, right, yeah, I am going to go. Uh
then give me Amari and Hampton and so I will
get the guy who's going to take a number two anyway?
So I've got Hampton and then my back to back here.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
No, you're picking second, so that's not how this works.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Go ahead, Buck? Yeah, oh okay, well I guess I'll.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
You get to you get your last two here, Buck, Yeah,
so we.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Take Travis Hunter, we take.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
You whoa coming back?
Speaker 4 (05:38):
That's Monday night football.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
I feel you don't get points for great blocks. I
don't know if that, but.
Speaker 6 (05:43):
Then I know that, but I know it's Monday night football.
Then maybe there's a specially surprise that they're cooking up
for him.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Oh whoa, whoa.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
It's Monday night football, Monday night football. Who doesnt want
to stand on Monday night?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
All right?
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Like that?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
And then and then I'll take I'll take the Browns
running back Judkins?
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Okay like that?
Speaker 5 (06:02):
So yeah, I've got to get another receiver here.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
Hm hmm.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Man, this is an interesting one here, guys. I think
that I would like to pull.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
It's a tough one, guys, is a tough one.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
It's really not Buck, But he's making it.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
So like.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
He's been the same, same same guys every week.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
I think I'm just trying to see if I could
bring somebody new into the conversation. Here, give me Jaden Higgins.
I just did a thing on him yesterday and one catch,
one touchdown. So my my nugget on that was Jaden
Higgins was Yeah, he said one target each of the
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last three games.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
It's coming betting on the com there. I'll go ahead
and take Harold fannin. I'll go ahead and go that route. Uh,
you guys left me that one. So yeah, I'm a
fan of his. So it's funny like if you look
at he's been the most productive, it's been the two
tight ends, but Warren and Fannon have been the guys
who have been the most consistent. So there we go.
I've got gent McMillan Fanning.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
Running back instead.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yeah you're done. Reet's got a booka Hampton Higgins and
yeah it's rhet Bucky has Warren, Hunter and Judkins with
a little spice on the Hunter pick. By the way, there,
I think some ears perked up from from someone listening.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
By the way.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Another another one Worth just kind of thrown into the mix.
Here is our guy Woody Marks then in Houston.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Now he's rolling get into a little bit.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
When we talk about some of these rushing leaders.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah, excited about that. We'll get to that discussion in
a moment, but before we do that, it's time for
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dot com. All right, when we look at the coordinator
of the week, I'll give you the bio here, and
we were joking about how long this person's going to
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stay in this job, not because he'd been in the
danger of losing it, but because his own matter has
an opening. So this week's coordinator of the Week is
Atlanta Falcons offensive coordinator Zach Robinson. He has been the
OC there since twenty four. In his first season as
an OC in twenty four, Atlanta's offense ranked sixth in
yards per game, fifth and passing yards per game, tenth
and rushing yards per game. Obviously hired by Raheem Morris.
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There's a connection there going back to his time under
Sean McVay with the Rams. In this ballgame, they put
up thirty four points. Jan If I'm saying that correctly,
career high hundred and six receiving yards on four catches,
Pennis through for a career high three hundred and thirteen yards.
Right now, they are ranked seventh in offense, fifth and
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rushing offense, and Robinson leads the league in scrimmage yards
through week four to five and eighty four. On the
background for Zach before Atlanta mentioned the Rams, he was
there from nineteen to twenty three. Quarterbacks coach, pass game coordinator,
assistant wide receivers coach were the roles he had there.
How About prior to that, how about in seventeen and
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eighteen working for PFF as an analyst, Yeah go, following
his stadium as a graduate assistant the University of Oklahoma
in fourteen and fifteen. He was a as a player
as a quarterback at Oklahoma State from six to nine.
He was a up quarterback backup quarterback with the Patriots
Lines Bengals Rams practice squad for the Rams in ten
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to thirteen. So there's kind of the like kind of
giving the resume there of where he is. But Buck,
we've got an opening at Oklahoma State, and that seems
to be the name that everyone has put right there
at the tippy top of the list.
Speaker 6 (09:45):
I mean, why not if you're him, you had opportunity
to go back stepping to the shoes of Look, Mike
Gummy left a great legacy in huge footprints.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
But he was there.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
I mean, yeah, he was there forever Zach played for him,
Zack certainly knows and lay out and land, And it
comes down to like quality life.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Does he want to be an NFL coach?
Speaker 6 (10:04):
Does he see himself being an NFL head coach where
he's okay going back home, going back to the Almah
mind and being a head coach at that level. Money's
comprom all that other stuff, Like he's.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
A great mind.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
And what the work did he did last week with
Michael Pennix and the way that they bounce back off
of a drubbing to come off to mat and play
very very well against the Commanders says a lot to
what he has done and what he continues to do
as a play called.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Yeah, I mean, obviously, you know, when we get into
scheme and stuff like that, we can get really complex
with it, right, with all the different you know, shifts, motions,
personnel groupings, concepts, the whole thing. But I think there's
a simplicity to understanding what you have at your disposal.
Bobby Petrino is back in the news that he's back
at Arkansas leading the Razorbacks.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Right.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
His son, Nick Petrino, is the offensive coordinator of Missouri State.
Had a chance to do their game against USC not
a great showing, but enjoyed getting to spend some time
with Nick because he gave us some insight into Bobby
and and some of what you know his His philosophies
and foundational principles are the thing that he kept coming
back to is f t s and gets f You can.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Fts good know where you're going with the F party.
Speaker 7 (11:19):
Feed the studs, Feed the studs, get the ball in
the hands of the guys who are your best players, Like,
there's just no universe to me where Ray, Ray McLeod
and Darnell Mooney and with.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
All due respect are getting more targets and more opportunities
than Drake London uh and Jon Robinson and Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Say that a little bit lightly, but I think this
was the best, the best formula, the best game in
which we've seen the Falcon's best.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Players utilized the most.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Right.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I mean it seems obvious, right, but obviously getting the
ball to Jon Robinson handing it off maybe a little
bit easier than trying to find ways to get lun
in the football.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
But they didn't they know what they did to me.
They did it early for Drake.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Four targets in the first quarter, seven in the first half.
He had ten total, caught eight of them for a
buck ten and a touchdown. Kyle Pitts this is the
most efficient game I think we've ever seen him play
five targets, five catches, and got a touchdown for the
first time this season. I feel like the way they're
using Kyle is kind of interesting a little bit too.
They are lining them up just kind of as a
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receiver a fair amount this year, which makes a lot
of sense, certainly more fitting, I think for what he
does out there, just as a big wide out. They
do kind of semi attach him a little bit, but
he's not getting into a three point stance.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
He's just check.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Releasing, and they give him the ball three yards downfield.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
He takes two steps.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
It's a seven yard game.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
It was just like there's just some kind of simplistic
stuff there that just makes sense with the you know,
the best way to utilize these guys's talents. So I
thought that was I thought that was just you know,
kind of a you know, get back to the basics
of getting the getting your best players of football.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
By the way, Buck, that was different than what i'd
heard fts feed the sets because I had heard it
was n M M no more motorcycles. But I was reading. Sorry,
I had that one. I was ready to roll one.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Now, Zach to me, why would you I respect your
alma mater. You had a great experience there. It's always
gonna have a special place in your heart. Dude. You
are on the tree that is producing one NFL coach
after another, underneath Shanahan like you were underneath that umbrella.
That is gold. That is gold. That is the currency
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of everyone that everyone is looking for at NFL head
coaches do not go to college. And I wouldn't advise
you don't even take a good college job, because there's
a lot better jobs in Oklahoma State. But you're you're
right there. You're knocking on the doorstep of an NFL
head coaching gig. You want to change over your roster
year after year after year. You want players coming into
your office and wanting to renegotiate in the middle of
a season, Like why would you. Why would anybody? I mean,
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I know the money can be the money buck, but
why would anybody sign for that right now?
Speaker 4 (14:07):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
Maybe brings Dez Brian Beck as wide receiver coach, and
some of those other great players that they've had run through.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
The Williams coaching the d line, you know, bring brings
the gang back together. I mean I remember going through
there and R. W. Mccorters coaching secondary.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
He just just get the homies and bring it there.
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
I guess it depends on his affinity for his alma mater.
We know that they have lasting power. Look at that along
Mike gun he was on the job.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Pettigrew coaching the tight ends and forever.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Olly Gordon's busy. Maybe Barry Sanders would come back.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
And uh, Thomas, anybody you got, you got a bunch
of them. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Look, I do think twenty million dollars is probably what
we're talking about here a year if you think about it,
no total, in total, in total.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, why would you do that as a top tier
offensive corner and you can make four it's twenty million bucks?
I know, But your off if he if he were
to just get that offer and if they have success
this year, he could go to Arthur Blank and say,
I want a four year, thirteen fifteen million dollar contract
to be the OC. You don't even have to change jobs.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
You can get over okay thirteen, Okay, red you and
Indiana twenty million and thirteen.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Yeah, look, look, the money is the money.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
But I understand DJ's ultimately you know, if you're getting
a head coaching job in.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
The league, Sirianni's making like fifteen million a year.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Yeah, now there's there's probably less patience in the league.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
One of those deals.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
All right, we went, we got off the rails there,
but hey, good for him. He's got the falcontrol in
their fun offense to watch. That was that was Hot
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All right, let's let's take a quick pause. We come
back one hit on some of these some of these
non first round players that are having success this year
and see if we can't learn something. We'll do that
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right after this. All right, guys, here's the project we're
working on. I'm going to give you some leaders in
terms of some statistical categories, and I'm not going to
talk about guys who are picked in the first round.
They're off limits, So we're only going to talk about
the guys picked outside of the first round. I want
to see if there's any connective tissue between these players.
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Is there something that they have in common, or is
there something we can learn about? You know where you
can find players like this in the draft. So let's start.
First of all, let's go to the receivers. Let's go
to the receiving leaders in the NFL. And right at
the top of the list, we have a non first
round pick. It is leading in everything. Is Pooking the awesome?
He is awesome. You've got five hundred and three yards already,
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over one hundred yards more than number two on the list.
Who is JSN with Seattle. So we've got Pookinakua's on
the list at number one. He's a fifth rounder. Then
you go all the way down to the seventh leader
and that is Amanas Saint Brown was a fourth rounder.
And then we get to ten. Who is GP George,
So it's it's Amara, Saint Brown and George Pickens. Is
there any connective tissue? Buck when you look at those
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three names, I.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Think that is the one position where I still don't.
Speaker 6 (17:11):
Believe that you have to take a first round pick
to be able to get a number one receiver, and
the reason why it's been proven time and time again
that you can find people outside of it. When I
look at these guys, I can't say that there's a
common denominator. Puka was hurt and beat up in college, Amamara,
Saint Brown was just undervalued, and George Pickens was a
bit of a mystery based on things at Georgia whatever.
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I will say, it's the developmental process for all of them.
Nakua and Saint Brown. They go to systems where they
had a clear plan for what they wanted to do,
and George Pickens is just special as a talent. But
I can't say that I see a common denominator between them.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I think George is off to the side RTT. I
think I can physical well, it's also physicality, and it's
also just the overall instincts and feel like their feel
instinct players.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Well, and they they did go into great situations with
really creative offensive schemes that absolutely better than maybe anybody
else in football, find ways to get the ball in
the hands of their best player, Like, you can't take
them away. You can't take Pook out of the game.
You can't take them Monroe Saint Brown out of the game.
They are going to get their touches, They're going to
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get their targets, They're going to get their catches. And
I think when you look at Puka, I mean even
on Monroe Saint Brown to a certain extent, like they
are two of the receivers that are probably in motion
as much as anybody else in the league from that
position too, so you're not getting to read on them,
you know, every time, not just lining up you know,
old Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne style right and left. Not
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to say that they were easy to take out of
the game either, but I do think that these these
you know, offensive coordinators and these schemes and these coaches
are finding ways to get those two guys the ball
in particular, maybe more so than some others that we
see that have top flight, number one type receivers that
kind of struggle at times.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
I do think though, there's a profile for the top
receivers in the league, and that's a first round profile
for the most part. Drew put it in the in
the chat here seven of the top ten are first rounders,
and that's why pickens to me he should be clumped
with the other seven. It should be eight. He was
a first everybody agreed it was the first round talent.
He had all the prototypical skills and heighth weight, speed,
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all that stuff. So it's almost like eighty percent of
those top guys are first round picks. The outliers are
Puka and Amanra, and they are exceptional because they're ability
to play inside outside, Their physicality, toughness, intelligence, like all
that stuff put together makes them special. But the exception,
you know, most of the top guys, as we get
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in some of these other positions, you're going to see
there's a lot more non first rounders.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
DJ.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Would you say that that is a harder eval to
find the pooka and to find the amana.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
I think I think yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
I think it's probably what you know, Buck, going back
into the nineties. I'm sure that NBA scouts if you
talk to him during that era, like we found the
next John Stockton and it's like, no, there's a profile.
That guy is kind of the exception to it. Stop,
you know, hunting for that, that's that's not there's a
kind of one off type players that are harder to find.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
Yeah, I think I think the main thing in the league.
The league has changed when it comes to wide receivers.
It is now one of the marquee or premium positions.
Look at the way that they're paid in free agency
in postings, so more people are throwing money and resources
at those receivers because, let's be honest, it is cheaper
to draft a first round receiver sometimes than to pay
a free agent receiver when he hits the open market.
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And because of I would say the readiness, how quickly
these guys are ready to make an impact because they
catch so many balls from high school to college and
now entering the pros. I think it's easier to get
a well developed, polished product at that position compared to
some of the other positions.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yeah, let's jump into some of each other position. Let's
get to the rushing leaders here again. Let's go, and
you're gonna I'm gonna give you the point on this
Onett right out to shoot number one. In terms of yards,
we're looking at yards number one, two, four, six, and eight,
So that is five of the top ten were second
round picks. Jonathan Taylor, James Cook, JK. Dobbins, Javonte Williams,
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Derrick Henry. So that's five there. Then outside of that
you have one fifth rounder in Karen Williams, who was
a kind of a scouter's delight. You can kind of
see the Rams doing some serious scouting when you go
through this list of finding guys that they were able
to get a lot out of who were later round picks.
With Puka being a fifth and uh and Kyraen Williams
being a fifth, that's two guys that cracked the top ten.
But when you look at that guys, I mean second
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round picks, running backs seems like a pretty good idea.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
Yeah, I think that's always been the sweet spot you
go all the way back. I mean you just think
about the list of guys that were second rounders. Shady
McCoy was the second round pick, not Alvin Kamara, but
they've been others.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Leveon Bell all that.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
I mean, like there was a there's a line because
what it does.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
It pushed you just beneath the five year contract of
the first round with an option, and then you get
a really good player and because of some would say
the devaluation I would just say that the proper evaluation
of where you can get it, the second round is
the sweet. But then it's just a matter of when
you get to year four, do you continue to pay
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them or do you go back and find another second
round and that can get it done the way that
they were able to.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Yeah, I think I think you're you're on the right
track there.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
I don't know if there's like if there's like a
you know, a profile that or a profile thread that
you could really pull on between you know, yeah, big
backs like jtuh, Derrick Henry. You know JT's had a
great speed too, which is you know, a little bit
of a unicorn in that in that regard James Cook, uh,
you know, kind of kind of scattered.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Uh, you know, it's got great explosiveness.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
I was looking at Buffalo, and you know, I think
that that has been one of the greatest revelations really
like just looking at overall offensive success, is that their
realization that James Cook needs to be the focal point
of our offense, like obviously outside of Josh Allen, Right,
but I was just looking at a couple of things
with them, and you know, they're obviously like a lot
of teams are doing a lot of that inside outside zone,
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but they'll run a lot of kind of those man
schemes where they can clean up the point of attack
a little bit for James Cook. And they do it
with the full back, they do it with a tight
end with you know, they got haws now, and they'll
do it with receivers too. And well, you give James Cook,
you put a hat on a hat, you give him
an opportunity to just find a little bit of daylight.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
And it's he is so good because.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
I looked at one of the things I looked at
was yards before contact, right, so.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
Who's blocking it up the best? It's actually kind of interesting.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Buffalo and Houston are tied at the top of that category,
but when you go to yards after contact, this is
where James Cook's talent comes in. They are double the
amount of production as the Houston Texans. Right, So the
the Bills are blocking it up, but James Cook is
forcing almost double as many mistackles and he's find ways
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to get more yards after contact because one, you just
got a better player there, but a pretty good scheme
as well. So just kind of thought that was an
interesting dichotomy. When you look at like Cook versus a
Nick Chubb again, was it was another second round pick, right,
just different style backs.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah, I don't think there's a profile in terms of
the style of the second round back. What I think is,
I think there's very few guys who were viewed as
the A plus backs, and those are the Christian mccaffreys,
you know, those guys, the Bijon's, Like, those guys go
in the first round, and then what teams have realized was, Okay,
there might only be one or two A pluses there.
Every year, there's a handful of B plus's A minuses,
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and there's no reason to take a B plus A
minus in the first round because of the numbers. There's
enough guys there where I might you know, Trayvon Henderson, Judkins, Like,
there's gonna be three or four of those guys I
have similarly graded. So I'm going to get one of them.
I don't have to take I don't have to take
one of the first round. I'm gonna get one of
those handful of guys I really like in the second round.
So it's kind of been a supply issue. Yeah, there's
enough supply on a yearly basis in that clump that
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teams will say, yeah, no, I admit that guy's better.
Those one or two guys that could take in the
first round are better, but not significantly enough where I
wouldn't just wait and take one in the second round.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
Buck.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
No, It's it's a debate that you have to make
right and a lot of times just take one in
the top ten or don't take one at all.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
That typically how it plays out.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
Jamior Gibbs is right up there.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Yeah, like, take one.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
Up there who has special talent, special abilities, or wait
to the second round to get a guy that you.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Can really hang your hat on.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
It's just an interesting thing because as the NFL shifts,
as it has moved away from being a run heavy game.
I remember in the early two thousands when those three
running backs win the top it was like Ronnie Brown said,
you Benson, and I can't remember who the other one was,
the cardinal.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Yeah, Cadila like Williams.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
They all went bank, bank bang to Now we're talking
about no pause on the running backs. Let's go get
the wide receivers. This makes you we take care of
the passing game for the quarterback. Oh, by the way,
we'll get it back in the second round. It's worked out.
The league is has kind of come to that evolution.
But it's so fascinating to see these second round has
have so much success.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
No doubt. Interesting when you go through only in that
top ten, George Pickens was the only receiver in the
second round to only one of those, which you used
to be a time when that was flipped as you
were saying, second round used to be the wide receiver round.
Now it's running.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Last year, lat McConkey was right there as the top
of the second round type of guy.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
But there's been I feel like there's been some some
misses of second round picks at the wide receiver position too.
I feel like running back has been a little higher
hit rate than those receivers that my man from Washington
to the Patriots is Polk is the one that jumps
in front of mine there. All right, let's let's keep
it rolling here, let's go to let's go to the
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other side of the ball and just hit on I
just want to hit on one position here and then
we can we can wrap this thing up. But I
wanted to go through these sack guys, so leaders in
sacks this year. You know, you you start with Brian
Burns first round pick, so let's get the non first rounders.
Tied with him. Actually is Byron Young with the Rams,
he was a third round pick Rams doing some scouting,
Man Benito second round pick with Denver. You get an
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undrafted free agent Carl Granderson. He had some legal stuff
going on at the time, which is like he went undrafted.
Daniel Hunter was a third round pick. He's tied for
tied that six, tied for sixth on this list. You've
got Twoey Polo two had all four sacks last week
in one game against the Giants. And Jackson Darts first
campaign second rounder, Harold Landry second rounder. So that's the
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list of the guys. Ret an any obvious connective tissue
there or anything that thinks out to you.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Yeah, I mean, like the the guys that are going
beyond the first round, you know, they're not like the
adonisis right, They're not like the Miles Garrett Nick. But
I think you know when you look at although you
know Byron Young's a you know, a good looking dude
from a from a high weight, you know perspective, but
like Nick Benito was a little undersized, right, Harold Andrey?
You know, was it a scheme fit?
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Right?
Speaker 5 (28:01):
Could he be a four down?
Speaker 1 (28:03):
You know?
Speaker 5 (28:03):
Was it? You know, is he going to be more.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Of a finesse rusher?
Speaker 5 (28:06):
Yeah, finesse Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Like I think there's just there's like there's just something
something missing, a little bit in the profile that would
say like, hey, this dude is a bona fide edge rusher.
He's going to be you know, he's six foot three,
you know, two hundred and sixty five pounds, sixty four,
two hundred and seventy pounds, like runs a four or five.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Like, there's something off, right, you're a tweeter. I think
we talk about a.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Lot that ends up, you know, pushing guys from the
first of the second.
Speaker 6 (28:32):
You know, it's it's interesting when we talk about that.
I think, is, uh, they're more likely one trick ponies,
but this superpower is overwhelming.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
So when you think.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
About the speed and exploseness of Benito, and you know,
you go in Errol Landry, who I love when he
was coming out of Boston College, like they had a
masterful move and it was the one move that you
saw and you wonder would they be an expand on
it or would they be able to win like Mariano
Rivera and throw the cutter over and over and over.
Yet these guys figured out what they do well then
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they just kind of stick to.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
That plan and that approach.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Power Toulie's Power Hunter was length. Like they didn't have that.
It didn't come with everything. Basically, they don't have the
full the full toolkit. But what they do have is
they have like I always go back to that joke
about one of the coaches told me, like they go
by the by the three Amigos line of like what
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is the one thing you do well? We can sew okay,
we can work when you do that, we can work
with that. Like that is these guys all have something
to hang their hat on. They all have one redeeming
uh strength and let you know, each of them you
can go through individually and find that. But I think
to me, that's that's what it comes down to. If
you're gonna you're gonna get somebody in the first round,
you're hoping they have everything, speed, power, you know, get off,
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bend all that stuff, and we're gonna take guys outside
of that. I don't want a well rounded player. I
want somebody who can either win overwhelmingly one way or
the other with speed or with power, And in Hunter's case,
it was you know, I think even at length was
just so rare, you know that you had something really
to work with there.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
DJ going back to when I was scouting, coaches used
to talk about the NFL is a league for the specialists.
Their job as coaches is to make sure that they
put them in a situation where they always play to
their strengths. And so if you understand that, you understand
that that dynamic is identifying the superpower and then trying
to project out how far they can go with that
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one superpower. Is it really superior to others or is
it nice? But it's not going to be good enough
to be able to win at the NFL level. And
what we're seeing is, look, man, it's better to be
masterful at one thing than to be meant a bunch
of different things. And these guys have one pitch in
their bag that is different than the rest of the pitches.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's the Belichick principle, right.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
It's like, don't tell me what he can't do, and
show me what he can do, and I'll emphasize it,
and I'll make him a star for it. I mean,
there's yeah, I mean it just that sticks out. I
think that's a great point that you make.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
So that's going to get me to the last thing
that I wanted to get to today as we kind
of wrap that whole thing up. I'm listening to this
audiobook right now. I'm going through it and it was
recommended by a bunch of different people as I was
trying to study more about golf and learn more about golf.
And it was called Winning Golf The Mental Game, And
it's like one of the sports psychologists, the guy's name
is Saul Miller, talks a lot about They reference a
lot of that tennis book. What is it, like the
(31:21):
Art of Tennis or something, That Inner Game? The Inner Game. Yes,
it talks a lot about that, but it's going through
all this stuff and it tells it's talking a lot
about like visualization and how important that is. And it
told an unbelievable story about this guy who was like
a prisoner of war for seven and a half years.
If you'd heard this story at all, but he he
(31:42):
you know, so he's like think in his mid like
in his thirties, he's and he's he loses over one
hundred pounds. He's only getting like three hundred calories a day.
He's literally in prison camp for seven and a half years.
But what he would do to try and just stay sane,
as he loved golf, and so he would in his
mind every day go, okay, I drove my car parked
here at his course. He'll go, all right, Then I
get out to the tea box for a shot like
(32:03):
he went. He played that whole round of golf every
day for seven and a half years as a way
to kind of stay sane. So he gets out and after,
you know, a few months after he's out again, he's
lost all this weight. He's obviously super you know, sick
and not not healthy. He goes and plays golf for
the first time and he shoots like in the low
seventies after not having played golf, and like, how the
heck did you do that? So I've played this course
(32:24):
in my mind every day for seven and a half years,
and it was like speaking to the to the power
of being able to positively visualize things. And it goes
to a lot of the other stuff that talks about
that tennis book Buck where which is you never think
don't hit it here, avoid this, like the no negative thoughts.
It's always like, I'm attacking, this is where I want
to hit it, this is where I'm going to hit it.
(32:45):
And I start thinking about that and I'm like, man,
now I kind of get why these teams pay all
this money these sports psychologists when you're interviewing players as
you're going through the draft, because there's evidence in proof
that that your mindset in that regard for a lot
of these guys. From a scouting standpoint, you can be
the most talented guy in the world. If you're not
right between your ears, you got no shot.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
You know.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
It's funny, DJ, We've never shared this, but in college
at North Carolina, there are two sports psychologists that I
work with. One was doctor Richard Coop, who was renowned
in the golf world for doing that. And every Friday
night he would have me sit in the ballroom and
literally close my eyes and teach me how to visualize.
And it would start with like filling the sun on
(33:27):
your things and going to your happy place wherever your
happy place is, and then eventually you.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
Get to playing.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
And he would always have you see yourself making the
play that you want to make from multiple angles, So
see it out of your own eyes, see it from
the eyes of the crowd, and see it from a thing,
and so you begin to put all these things together.
The other thing that he would have you do is
sometimes when you visualize it like it doesn't go the
way that you want, he would have you replay it
(33:54):
and see yourself doing it perfectly the way that you want.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
And he would.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
Always say, your mind, I can't tell the difference between
a real rep and an imagined rep. So if you
can train it the right way, you can get all
of those things. And so think about the virtual reality
stuff we talk about with Jade Daniels and all of that.
It is all about building this mental bank of positive
thoughts and images and those things in your head. So
(34:19):
when it plays out, it is almost like deja vu
on the field, as opposed to Oh, I'm surprised I
did this, but in your mind you're like, oh, I've
done this before.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
This is rett. Have you ever thought about that? As
someone who's working calling games, you've been doing that for
a while now, I now like kind of reframes how
you look at things like I think of guys who've
made great calls, Like think about Joe Davis when Freddie
Freeman hits the Grand Slam to walk it off, and
it was you know, Kirk Gibson, and I think he
said like Freddie meet Gibby or something. It was like,
(34:48):
it was a really cool kind of a moment. When
I was reading that book, I was like, gosh, I
guess even in the broadcasting side of things, when you're
calling games, you can almost kind of visualize, Okay, we're
in the late game and we get a big like
what would you say or how this work or what
would this look like? I never thought about how many
different ways you can use that in whatever you're doing
in life.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Oh yeah, I mean, look, I still remember that the
Minnesota Miracle Joe Buck. I think he said four words.
It was like digs.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Complete sideline touchdown, you know, and like you think about
this great like poetry of it, and it's like, well
maybe maybe you know simplicity, but the but it gave
you the visual like it's all you need it, you know,
if you were if you were really listening to it, right,
And I think it's got the thing that I was
envisioning in my mind when you were talking about that, Bucky,
(35:37):
when you were mentioning you know, it's like that is
the like your mind's analog version of virtual reality, you know,
of the VR stuff like, because you are giving yourself
the full picture, just you know, through your mind's eye.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
I think that's really powerful.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Yeah, it's interesting stuff. But I would encourage you if
if you're into uh in the golfer, any type of
any type of sport. Really that's a lot of value
in there.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
You mentioned he was getting that stuff back in the nineties,
so I'm kind of new that world in terms of
us how you use visualization those things. So really really cool.
All right, this is a fun one.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
What was that? I said? Nice?
Speaker 3 (36:11):
That's that's yeah, You're you're like a you're like a
golf guy. Now this is weird.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
I've gotten into it, man, you know what I I
And it talks a lot of this about why all
the way?
Speaker 4 (36:20):
All the way?
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Yeah, I sucked to but no I don't because I'm
listening to this book and I'm just improving. I'm on
my way to being a really good golfer. I can
see the path. It's a little can see a little
bit windy, A little bit windy, but it's but it's coming.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
All right.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
That's gonna do it for us, guys.
Speaker 5 (36:37):
Be an empty nester.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Yeah, that's what I got to fulfill my time. I
got my last one almost almost done. We appreciate you, guys.
We'll see you next time right here on movesticks
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