October 10, 2025 • 24 mins
Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks kick off the show discussing the rise of injuries in today’s game, how the regular season has evolved and the trades made around the league this week (0:40). Then, they preview Week 6’s top matchups, including Broncos-Jets in London (12:34), Rams-Ravens (14:25), Seahawks-Jaguars (17:07), Lions-Chiefs (20:04), and Bears-Commanders (22:43).
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Buck
with you Buck? What is going on?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Man?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Man? Just a great football weekend on the horizon. I
love this time of year because everything is in full earnest.
You got the NFL that is in swing. Now we're
get into a good part of ball because we're more
than five weeks into it, so people have kind of
settled in.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
You can see the identities.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
And then in college football we're right in the center
of the competitive conference races where now we begin to
see these big matches. We're seeing people begin it to
build momentum to the college football playoff.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
So it doesn't get any better than this.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I want to ask you a question I was asked
the other day, which an interesting conversation, which was this
full disclosure. Was talking with Rock Heward and Brock said
he didn't remember when he was playing, you know, late nineties,
early two thousands, as many guys missing practices and games
as we see now, Like he just felt like some
of these injury reports are insane. So I'll just be
(01:01):
curious from your time playing and then from even the
early scouting stuff. If you think it's different with how
with that and why do you see it?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
I think it's different because I still believe and I
love all the sports science and all the other stuff,
but these are it's still a part of me that
believes old school methods still work.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
And you know, it's funny.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I heard Terrence Crford talk about this when he was
preparing for Canelo, that you can't be ready for a
fight without sparring. And I think sometimes we do a
disservice to our teams by not taking them through the
riggers to prepare them to play.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
And what happens is, you know, every Sunday when you
go to.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
A game, unless you've been to a pro game, I
don't think people understand how fast and how physical it is.
And you have to prepare your team to be able
to operate at that level. And sometimes that means a
more rigorous training camp. Sometimes it means a more rigorous
offseason program to get your team ready to handle what's
(02:00):
a hit. During the season. You can take off the paths,
do some of those things, but you got to get
the team ready. And I don't know if players are
fully ready, and I don't know if some team builders
prepare those teams to be ready for the grind, but
the grind is real and your team has to be
ready for the marathon that the NFL season is.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yeah, I think that's one part of it, for sure.
I agree we talked about like you used to be calloused,
like you just kind of build up that callous and
then you could withstand it. But the other thing I
was thinking of was bigger picture, and I see it.
I don't know how it is across the country, but
obviously he's a high school coach in California. You know
when we were kids, like if you made the playoffs
in high school, it means you had a really good year.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
You know.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Now in high school, we had a team in San
Diego that won CIF went oh to ten, They went
oh to ten, and then so that lowered him a division,
lowered them way down the divisions, and they went and
beat up on some smaller schools and won won a
championship after not winning one regular season game. Yeah, if
you look at now college football used to man, you
lose one game in college football two games and so
(03:04):
you know Rose Bowl, you know, no, nothing like that
ruined your whole season. Now twelve teams in the playoff,
everybody gets the Bowl game, all this kind of stuff.
If you look at the NFL added a wildcard, Basketball, NBA,
half the freaking league gets in the playoffs. You look
at baseball, they added a wildcard. So the emphasis and
importance on the regular season is gone. Like these kids
(03:24):
have grown up since high school, buck going, all that
matters is that I'm healthy once we get to the playoffs,
Like I don't need to be Yeah stuff, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
DJ, I didn't think about that.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
It's funny, right, because I'm being honest with you, like,
and I'm prov myself of being a baseball fan, like
the baseball playoff format this year.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Fans like whoa, how many when? But that's the three?
That's five? What? Like what's going on?
Speaker 3 (03:47):
And you operate with a different urgency when you know
you have the fallback up. Hey man, we just need
to be top seven, we just need to be top eight. Hey,
let's just get into the thing and see what it
looks like. So you make decisions based on that as
opposed to they're only four teams going.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
You got to go. I need you to go.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
I need you to make it and so some of
the load management things or some of the things that
if it's questionable, A will sit you out as opposed
to a we need you to play.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
It's different, but you're right, people operate differently.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
They played differently when there's an urgency and there's like
a hard and fast line in terms of making it
or not making it. And yeah, I do think that
as I won't say it's ruined the game, but it's
changed the game when it comes to the way that
we go about it, even coaching with an urgency, because
before you used to coach like it's all or nothing.
(04:39):
If we don't win this game, it's over. We could
be talking about a game in the second week of September.
If we lose, it's over. It's not the same thing.
Now you can play anybody like, we lose, we'll get better,
let's get down the stretch.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
It's changed.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I'd be curious to go back and look at the
numbers before they added the extra wildcard in the NFL,
and it was only a sixteen game season, but the
percentage of players who played sixteen games versus now, even
though there's seventeen games. If we just said how many
players in this current format, play sixteen of the seventeen games.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I'd be shocked if they.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Weren't playing more. Guys weren't playing sixteen games pre you know,
before the extra wildcard and way before they went to
seventeen games.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, look, DJ, I'm with you on this.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I'm with you, Like I do believe there's a difference
as of urgencies in those things. I think about the
NBA and I think about how those cool players talk
about it, like I've heard Kevin Garnet and Paul Pierce
and them talk about like Jordan playing eighty two games
and how important it was to do that, and how
some of the injuries we're seeing is because training camp
is different.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
It's not the riggers that you.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Have to take all of it kind of factors in
because people do have that.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
And then I think about that.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
But then I think about like the La Rams and
how Sean McVay has operated and how he has put
preservation over everything when it comes to making sure his
team are healthy at the beginning. But then I think
about Andy Reid running a very old school, traditional training
camp and how they jump out to fast starts traditionally.
I don't know, man, I think you have to know
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your team and know where you're operating. But to me,
I still feel like toughness and physicality eventually went out.
You see it, you see how the charges are being prepared,
and even though you have injuries, I don't believe.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Look, you can't operate scared when it comes to it.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Like some of it is like this is what we
have to do to get ready if we lose a
player along the way. We don't want to, but sometimes
it's just kind of the cost of getting your team
ready to play at a high level.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yeah, I know it's a factor all around the league.
There's a lot of teams down players, and so I
just think intentionally, if you look at kind of the
root cause of that, I don't know that anybody's really
done the homework and gone all the way back to
really how it's changed. Sports landscape has changed at the
high school level and at the college level, and then
at the professional level. I just think there's a different
this is a different urge. See you use that word.
Uh different urgency placed on the on the regular season
(07:03):
in years past, and now let's just punch your ticket, man,
get your get your ticket to the tournament, and uh
and then we'll see what happens once you get there.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Yeah, I mean it is. Everyone is just trying to dance,
you know. That's why. Look, I say this, and I
don't know how you can incentivize people to uh remain
I would say committed to winning division titles in those things,
right because right now you only have one team that
receives a buy and so you look for nomb more seed.
If if you don't have a reasonable chance to get
no more seed, you make decisions based on either matchups
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or the present preservation of your best players.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Maybe maybe you have to find a way to create incentives.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
And I'm not talking about monetarily, but something when it
comes to That's why I don't believe that you should
take away the division winner thing, because they get home field,
and regardless of whether the record is whatever, that's an anomaly.
That's not something that happens every year, So you don't
want to lose that. But there has to be a
way to encourage people to play their players and to
get them ready to play so they available.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yeah, no, no, no question, one more thing. We'll take
a break and then get some of the games this weekend.
But we have seen some trades this week, and not
like any give up trades really just kind of this
guy can help you, maybe that guy can help me,
or little disappointing player for me, disappointing player for you.
Let's change sener and see if it works out. But
it's been a pretty active week of trades, and I
(08:22):
think that goes back to what we've been saying for
a while, which is it's a new breed, a general
manager that's way more open to this stuff.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
How about this and look man living it out real
time watching the Jaguars trade away Tyson Campbell for Greg Newsom.
And what's funny DJ is like you always reference your
reports and you go back and you're like, man, I
like this player. You go back, you oh, I really
like this player, and so like Tyson Campbell and Greg Newsom.
I just remember, man, I really like Greg Newsom coming out.
(08:50):
And you go back and you read your report and
you go back and you look at the videos that
you've done when you're talking about the player from Pro
Day and those things and how much you liked them,
and how Sometimes I feel like these teams are making
what I call win win trades, win win propositions for
both people. Tyson Campbell goes to a situation where he
is now playing more man demand because that's how Jim
Schwartz wants to play. That is better for his skills
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because he's a great athlete, not a great ballplayer in
terms of like being able to play the ball. He
just doesn't see it well. And then Greg Newsom was
a high IQ player who had versatility at Northwest and
to play inside outside, had a very expansive toolbox. Now
you put him in a situation where he's playing in
the defense. That's a vision and break defense.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
That helps.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
But the other part of it, and it hasn't been
out there, but they swapped someone who was under a
big contract four years, seventy six million that it was
signed to before last season. Greg Newsom was in the
last year his deal, playing in the fifth year option.
We talked about the emergence of Devin Lloyd as a
guy who might win, well, that is your option cratch,
(09:56):
some of that scratch coming his way, potentially trying to
set the books. So, man, if we really like this player,
we got to figure out a way to keep them.
How can we do that? You share someone who's making
big money to create an opportunity to sign somebody else
to make big money. No one has said that, but
it doesn't take much to read the teethers and be like,
(10:16):
maybe they're setting something up so they can call the
agent before the end of season, but like, hey, let's
get this deal done.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, Well, do you think after this week we'll see
it again? It's another data point where you'll see some
teams slide a little bit further. I mean, we saw
a little bit of a flurry this week. I think
next week could be a fun one. Next week we
could see the bigger the bigger dudes going yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Because look, a third of the season would be done.
You kind of know where you're at.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
You know, after six games, if you're at one in five,
probably not go Hacke free.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
So now we got to start things twenty six. Now
we're looking at twenty six. Now you start thinking about, hey,
how can we set the roster up for next year?
What can we do, Let's get the young players on
the field. You begin to have those real conversationation.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Uh, it's unfortunate that all the hope and optimism can
go away real quick in the league, but that's the
reality of it. Yeah, I think we will see more movement.
We'll see your Florida players. And you're right, DJ, our
generation are sitting in those seats now where you're making
decisions and people are trading players in exchange for another
(11:22):
player and yeah, six seven round pick, yeah, just whatever,
whatever we need to do to make the deal work.
Like it's fine, that's what we're seeing, which is kind
of funny because like I feel like everyone is throwing
in a six or seventh round pick at the end.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Like yeah, whatever.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Like, by the way, don't you think we should just
use a group text from the gas standpoint? You know
how it goes in those buildings. It's like, hey, here,
let's div it up. We got these four guys. You
call these you know, eight teams. You call these eight teams,
and we're gonna let them know that player X is available. Guys,
come on, man, group texts, got all the gms on there,
Joe Smith, guys, come and get them who who.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
They just just see me you best offer by am
the next day and we'll kind of figured it out,
see if we can work it out or whatever. Yeah,
it's funny to hear the mechanics of how these trades
are being pulled off. But yeah, like you have a
very aggressive generation of general managers get aren't afraid to
swap out, make moves to see if they can help
their team.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yeah. I guess the only thing that'll be reported publicly
in about thirty seconds after you send it. But I
guess if you really want to trade him, you'd be
okay with the name getting out there. So it's funny.
All right, let's say quick break, we'll look at some
of the big games this weekend. All right, buck, let's
jump into it. We got one in London. We've got
Broncos Jets over there. I know I saw you know
(12:43):
when you're asking Sean Payton, is this a look over
him game? And he gave kind of the look. There's
These are all professional teams, like the Jets are capable
of beating people, so it can't look past them. But
this is a this is one. On the surface, it
looks like it should be a comfortable one for how
bad the Jets have been.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
It does look like that. But as soon as you
start thinking that, dj what happens.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
The Tennessee Titans find a way to knock off the
airs on the car knows the Cleveland Browns knock off
the Green Bay Packer.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
I mean, just this is just what the league is.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
The challenge in the trade for the Denver Broncos is
can you maintain that same level of focus that you
had against the Phildepic Eagles last week to take on
the Jets. And if you're the Jets, you're only five.
People are saying like you're a worse outfit than the
previous version. How do you fix the turnovers? How do
you fix the turnobars?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
DJ?
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I I was looking at this thing, and I was researching,
like the turnovers, and Pete Carrolyn is all about the
ball DJ. All the teams they have a minus four
or worse differential in turnovers.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
The combined record is six and twenty four. Like, just
the turnovers are the things that are killing you. If
you can just take care of the ball, it gives
a chance. But if you are reckless with the ball,
you have no shot of winning in this league. So
the first thing that I would do with the Jets,
who are number one and take man, let's just find
a way to end every drive and a kick.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
And I know it sounds cliche, but literally, let's punt it.
Let's kick a pat let's kick a field goal or whatever.
But let's make sure we don't give away the game,
because in giving it away, you have no chance of
being able to win it.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
And I would also echo that with penalties, it seems
like on a weekly basis that the more penalized team
is having a hard time winning ball games. Timely penalties
at that. So you got Broncos Jets, there, rams Ravens
on the schedule, comes out buck fired up about that game.
Now it's not so much yeah, non you've been.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
In that building, because you've been in there.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
And I've always felt like the Ravens are one of
the few franchises that no matter where they're sitting, sometimes
they can find a way to galvanize themselves to kind
of orchestrate a turn around. John Harboy has been on
the gig for a long time. He's seen it all.
He's been able to kind of help them bounce back.
And Lamar may or may not come back to because
they're bye week is right after this. To me, I
think the wounded animal is dangerous and can they mustered up?
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But they have been so bad, man, I just I
never thought we were to the point where a team
in a franchise that's been synonymously great defenses.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Are this bad? I mean they're terrible. Uh.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
They made a trade. They made a trade, brought over
Loyd Gilman, who's really one of the good dudes. Great dude,
and I have to go back and look it up.
I think he played at Notre Dame. Didn't he play
with Hamilton? Yeah, he played with didn't he play with him?
I think we go back and look that up. I'm
pretty sure he did play with Hamilton. Uh, but yeah,
they brought him over there try and help out the
back end a little bit. They've had some injuries, including Hamilton,
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so we'll see what the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
CJ Yeah, CJ garing to Johnson was signed to the
practice squad and definitely trying to figure out how to do.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
The back end.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
That means that they can try and put Cayle Hamilton
back in the spot where you can be the Swiss
Army knife at the second level and do some of
those things. But look, man, the Ravens have to get
back to just doing what I would say, the simple things, well,
lining up, knowing what did you, running to the ball,
tackling with Forrest, not missing tackles on the perimeter, get
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back to the basic things. They have been a team
that has always been so exotic on defense that when
it goes a right, I do wonder if they can
get back to the we've all.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Any injuries, man, there's just so many injuries. Yeah, A
BK is kind of the he was kind of the
straw that stirred to drink there too, man, Like that's you.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
And finally, after all those years DJ, they don't have
a They don't have a dominant pass rusher up front now.
And Matty Bka was such a dominant player up front,
not only against the run but against the pass. They're
missing that. And it's funny because they've drafted and they've
tried to do that. But when I think about those
vintage teams with sizzle, uh ray Lewis knows that they've.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Always had multiple lawyers.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
They've always had They've always had multiple guys on the
front line that could win their one on ones and
get to the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
They don't have that anymore.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
And so some of this is a right u F
but some of it is the cumultive effect of not
being able to stockpile the cover with a bunch of
pass rushes and dominant players on the front line.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
How about the game you're going to be at.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
You know, it's an interesting game and this is an
interesting game. And here's what I say, Djam.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
We were on the movement when we talk about the
reclamation projects, and I believe the reclamation projects is going
to be a trend next year. That continues because as
people begin to cast their eyes to the twenty twenty
six quarterback class in the draft, it is not what
people thought.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
It would be. So now the guys like Mac Jones,
Daniel Jones, those guys go to the front of the line.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
People are gonna be excited about taking on that project
because Sam Donald and Baker Mayfield are prime examples of
what happens when you kick the can on a former
number one pick, put them in the right offense with
the right coaching, and what can happen. Sam Donald was
absolutely dealing last weekend. The duo that he had with
Baker Mayfield was everything that are art and Sam donald
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supporters said that he would be. That's taken some years,
but as Sam Donald has shown up and what it
shows you is, man, it's a long developmental process. When
it comes to quarterbacks, but it also takes a village
around him to get it done.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Jsn being the playmaker that he is.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Cooper Cup being reliable, the running game that they have
around him, and I'll say this, their offensive line isn't
like one of the tops.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
But man, the weapons, firepower around him, the firepower.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Around around him Donald enables him to do what he
has the potential that he's always had the potential to do.
But now he's in the right system with the right
cast to showcase it like he was.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Last year in Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
I don't know how many guys in leaguer processing faster
than Sam Donald is right now. When you go back
and you watch him every week, he's number three, number
four in the progression he is. He's looking there.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Look, I'm not a quarterback Google, but here's what I
would say if I am a quarterback who wish struggled.
I'm going to see the wizard, and the wizard is
some descendant of the Sean McVay slash col shanahan tree.
I'm gonna spend a year there, I'm gonna learn how
to play the position.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
I'm gonna do it, and I'm gonna be a change man.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
After I see the Wizard Sam Sam Donald went to
San Francisco as a backup, learned that the base part
of the system. He gets the blessing from Shanahan as
they start talking, goes to Kevin O'Connell. Plays better when
he has his opportunity in Minnesota, and now he's a
different thing. Baker Mayfield goes from Carolina to the l
(19:21):
a Rams, spend some time with Sean McVay the Wizard.
He is a different player when he shows up in Tampa.
I don't know what they tell the quarterbacks. I don't
know what they're teaching the quarterbacks. I saw Malik Willis
go from Tennessee to Green Bay, show up and look
like a much different player. I'm going to the Wizard.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Wizard of Oz a great, great example of that, you know. So,
I mean he looks like a totally different player.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Look and it looks like, Man, imagine if Kyle Shanahan
had taken Mac Jones when maybe.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
He want Oh yeah, that changes history a little bit.
All right, Let's get to a couple more here. Lions,
Chiefs at the Chiefs. That's going to be a big one.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Man.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Kansas City. That feels like you almost got to have
that one. This is a Lions team that's rolling right now.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Yeah, a Lion's team just rolling. But here's what I
would say, and I know you live it being in
that division. I don't care what you say about the
Kansity Chiefs DJ. There's a not a fear factor, but
there's an apprehension when you play them that number fifteen
is going to find a way to do it, because
when you really look at their team, they're okay, but
man number fifteen is the one that makes it breaks them.
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And because he is so good, so composed, understands how
to kind of game the system with his legs and
scrambling and doing those things, they're never an easy out.
And the fear is they find just enough wins to
get into the tournament and then you got to deal
with him in playoff mode. This is a big game
(20:55):
for them because they need to win to kind of
stay in the thing.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
They don't want to fall too far off the path.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
And for the Detroit Lions, this is an opportunity to
really announce yourself. It's like, yeah, you thought we were
going away because we had all the change, We're still
right here. John Boyden has done a great job of
taking this offense and continue.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
To build upon it.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I never envisioned him maintaining the physicality and fund, but
he's done a really good job of doing it within
his personnelity.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
There's a lot of different ways to sing could go.
But I will say, like everybody's just kind of yeah,
you know, I'm not Kansas City still Kansas City, and
they're going to figure it out and they'll find time.
And I'm just telling you that if Detroit goes on
the road and beats the breaks off them, then this
conversation is going to change. And people are like, Okay,
well that was the window. That window is shut. Like
(21:42):
as crazy as that sounds, it feels like this is
that type of a week where narratives are going.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
To be well.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
It does because when you look at the talent right
when I'm looking there and no disrespect to the personnel.
When I look at who scares me? If we're doing
the advanced report Za, if you're worthy the quarterback, everybody
else I'm okay with.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Yeah, Chris Jones is we've been making them get for
Shard Smith more involved.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
And they did, and they did a really good job
of creatively getting them there. But they don't have the
firepower that they once had, and that changes because until
they're able to either run the football or change the
way that people play them defensively, they can't get the
explosive plays.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
So everything is like a hard not a hard down,
but it's a.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Hard long drive that they don't get the easy gift
plays that they used to get. Yeah, but you're right,
narrative changes, just we can if they lose.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Speaking of narratives, this is the narrative game. Everyone's going
to be speaking in absolutes as they always do. It's
gonna be the the debate game. It's gonna be the
Commanders against the Bears, and everybody's going to say that
one of those two quarterbacks is the second coming and
the other one stinks that's gonna be comes out. It's
just the way it's all set up with Caleb and
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Jayde Daniels Jadan Daniels one on the Hail Mary. Previously,
Caleb had the big drive that brought him back in
that game, which kind of gets forgotten. I saw Jaden
last week. He's getting his legs back under him. His
first game back, he got better as that game against
the Chargers went along. They've been beat up at the
wide receiver position, but they're running the ball well. The
Bears had coming off some rest. It's on the road
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for them. But man, this is again first statement opportunities.
This would be a big statement with these two quarterbacks
being linked together. If Ben Johnson could take Caleb in
there and have Caleb play really well.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Yeah, it'd be a big, big statement game.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
And you're right, like Caleb is, Caleb's progress has kind
of flown up under the radar. If he can have
a big statement game against a guy that was QB
two in that draft class, it really opened up the
conversation in terms of the growth that he's made under
Ben Johnson. And on the other side, the flip side,
if Jayde Daniels continues to dominate and look like he's
look under Cliff Kingsbury in this offense explodes with Deebo
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Samuel and the other play makes the day, we have
a different conversation about the Commanders.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yeah, looking forward to that game. It's a great weekend
of games. I would encourage you if you missed it.
The other day we had Jim Nagion from Oklahoma. Their
general manager was a fun conversation. I would encourage you
to go back check that one out, and we'll be
back next week as we kind of break down everything
that we saw. Really looking forward to a wonderful weekend
of football. Appreciate you hanging with us. We'll see you
right here on movie sticks.
And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Buck
with you Buck? What is going on?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Man?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Man? Just a great football weekend on the horizon. I
love this time of year because everything is in full earnest.
You got the NFL that is in swing. Now we're
get into a good part of ball because we're more
than five weeks into it, so people have kind of
settled in.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
You can see the identities.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
And then in college football we're right in the center
of the competitive conference races where now we begin to
see these big matches. We're seeing people begin it to
build momentum to the college football playoff.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
So it doesn't get any better than this.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I want to ask you a question I was asked
the other day, which an interesting conversation, which was this
full disclosure. Was talking with Rock Heward and Brock said
he didn't remember when he was playing, you know, late nineties,
early two thousands, as many guys missing practices and games
as we see now, Like he just felt like some
of these injury reports are insane. So I'll just be
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curious from your time playing and then from even the
early scouting stuff. If you think it's different with how
with that and why do you see it?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
I think it's different because I still believe and I
love all the sports science and all the other stuff,
but these are it's still a part of me that
believes old school methods still work.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
And you know, it's funny.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I heard Terrence Crford talk about this when he was
preparing for Canelo, that you can't be ready for a
fight without sparring. And I think sometimes we do a
disservice to our teams by not taking them through the
riggers to prepare them to play.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
And what happens is, you know, every Sunday when you
go to.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
A game, unless you've been to a pro game, I
don't think people understand how fast and how physical it is.
And you have to prepare your team to be able
to operate at that level. And sometimes that means a
more rigorous training camp. Sometimes it means a more rigorous
offseason program to get your team ready to handle what's
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a hit. During the season. You can take off the paths,
do some of those things, but you got to get
the team ready. And I don't know if players are
fully ready, and I don't know if some team builders
prepare those teams to be ready for the grind, but
the grind is real and your team has to be
ready for the marathon that the NFL season is.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yeah, I think that's one part of it, for sure.
I agree we talked about like you used to be calloused,
like you just kind of build up that callous and
then you could withstand it. But the other thing I
was thinking of was bigger picture, and I see it.
I don't know how it is across the country, but
obviously he's a high school coach in California. You know
when we were kids, like if you made the playoffs
in high school, it means you had a really good year.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
You know.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Now in high school, we had a team in San
Diego that won CIF went oh to ten, They went
oh to ten, and then so that lowered him a division,
lowered them way down the divisions, and they went and
beat up on some smaller schools and won won a
championship after not winning one regular season game. Yeah, if
you look at now college football used to man, you
lose one game in college football two games and so
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you know Rose Bowl, you know, no, nothing like that
ruined your whole season. Now twelve teams in the playoff,
everybody gets the Bowl game, all this kind of stuff.
If you look at the NFL added a wildcard, Basketball, NBA,
half the freaking league gets in the playoffs. You look
at baseball, they added a wildcard. So the emphasis and
importance on the regular season is gone. Like these kids
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have grown up since high school, buck going, all that
matters is that I'm healthy once we get to the playoffs,
Like I don't need to be Yeah stuff, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
DJ, I didn't think about that.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
It's funny, right, because I'm being honest with you, like,
and I'm prov myself of being a baseball fan, like
the baseball playoff format this year.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Fans like whoa, how many when? But that's the three?
That's five? What? Like what's going on?
Speaker 3 (03:47):
And you operate with a different urgency when you know
you have the fallback up. Hey man, we just need
to be top seven, we just need to be top eight. Hey,
let's just get into the thing and see what it
looks like. So you make decisions based on that as
opposed to they're only four teams going.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
You got to go. I need you to go.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
I need you to make it and so some of
the load management things or some of the things that
if it's questionable, A will sit you out as opposed
to a we need you to play.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
It's different, but you're right, people operate differently.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
They played differently when there's an urgency and there's like
a hard and fast line in terms of making it
or not making it. And yeah, I do think that
as I won't say it's ruined the game, but it's
changed the game when it comes to the way that
we go about it, even coaching with an urgency, because
before you used to coach like it's all or nothing.
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If we don't win this game, it's over. We could
be talking about a game in the second week of September.
If we lose, it's over. It's not the same thing.
Now you can play anybody like, we lose, we'll get better,
let's get down the stretch.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
It's changed.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I'd be curious to go back and look at the
numbers before they added the extra wildcard in the NFL,
and it was only a sixteen game season, but the
percentage of players who played sixteen games versus now, even
though there's seventeen games. If we just said how many
players in this current format, play sixteen of the seventeen games.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I'd be shocked if they.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Weren't playing more. Guys weren't playing sixteen games pre you know,
before the extra wildcard and way before they went to
seventeen games.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, look, DJ, I'm with you on this.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I'm with you, Like I do believe there's a difference
as of urgencies in those things. I think about the
NBA and I think about how those cool players talk
about it, like I've heard Kevin Garnet and Paul Pierce
and them talk about like Jordan playing eighty two games
and how important it was to do that, and how
some of the injuries we're seeing is because training camp
is different.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
It's not the riggers that you.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Have to take all of it kind of factors in
because people do have that.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
And then I think about that.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
But then I think about like the La Rams and
how Sean McVay has operated and how he has put
preservation over everything when it comes to making sure his
team are healthy at the beginning. But then I think
about Andy Reid running a very old school, traditional training
camp and how they jump out to fast starts traditionally.
I don't know, man, I think you have to know
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your team and know where you're operating. But to me,
I still feel like toughness and physicality eventually went out.
You see it, you see how the charges are being prepared,
and even though you have injuries, I don't believe.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Look, you can't operate scared when it comes to it.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Like some of it is like this is what we
have to do to get ready if we lose a
player along the way. We don't want to, but sometimes
it's just kind of the cost of getting your team
ready to play at a high level.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yeah, I know it's a factor all around the league.
There's a lot of teams down players, and so I
just think intentionally, if you look at kind of the
root cause of that, I don't know that anybody's really
done the homework and gone all the way back to
really how it's changed. Sports landscape has changed at the
high school level and at the college level, and then
at the professional level. I just think there's a different
this is a different urge. See you use that word.
Uh different urgency placed on the on the regular season
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in years past, and now let's just punch your ticket, man,
get your get your ticket to the tournament, and uh
and then we'll see what happens once you get there.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Yeah, I mean it is. Everyone is just trying to dance,
you know. That's why. Look, I say this, and I
don't know how you can incentivize people to uh remain
I would say committed to winning division titles in those things,
right because right now you only have one team that
receives a buy and so you look for nomb more seed.
If if you don't have a reasonable chance to get
no more seed, you make decisions based on either matchups
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or the present preservation of your best players.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Maybe maybe you have to find a way to create incentives.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
And I'm not talking about monetarily, but something when it
comes to That's why I don't believe that you should
take away the division winner thing, because they get home field,
and regardless of whether the record is whatever, that's an anomaly.
That's not something that happens every year, So you don't
want to lose that. But there has to be a
way to encourage people to play their players and to
get them ready to play so they available.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yeah, no, no, no question, one more thing. We'll take
a break and then get some of the games this weekend.
But we have seen some trades this week, and not
like any give up trades really just kind of this
guy can help you, maybe that guy can help me,
or little disappointing player for me, disappointing player for you.
Let's change sener and see if it works out. But
it's been a pretty active week of trades, and I
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think that goes back to what we've been saying for
a while, which is it's a new breed, a general
manager that's way more open to this stuff.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
How about this and look man living it out real
time watching the Jaguars trade away Tyson Campbell for Greg Newsom.
And what's funny DJ is like you always reference your
reports and you go back and you're like, man, I
like this player. You go back, you oh, I really
like this player, and so like Tyson Campbell and Greg Newsom.
I just remember, man, I really like Greg Newsom coming out.
(08:50):
And you go back and you read your report and
you go back and you look at the videos that
you've done when you're talking about the player from Pro
Day and those things and how much you liked them,
and how Sometimes I feel like these teams are making
what I call win win trades, win win propositions for
both people. Tyson Campbell goes to a situation where he
is now playing more man demand because that's how Jim
Schwartz wants to play. That is better for his skills
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because he's a great athlete, not a great ballplayer in
terms of like being able to play the ball. He
just doesn't see it well. And then Greg Newsom was
a high IQ player who had versatility at Northwest and
to play inside outside, had a very expansive toolbox. Now
you put him in a situation where he's playing in
the defense. That's a vision and break defense.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
That helps.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
But the other part of it, and it hasn't been
out there, but they swapped someone who was under a
big contract four years, seventy six million that it was
signed to before last season. Greg Newsom was in the
last year his deal, playing in the fifth year option.
We talked about the emergence of Devin Lloyd as a
guy who might win, well, that is your option cratch,
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some of that scratch coming his way, potentially trying to
set the books. So, man, if we really like this player,
we got to figure out a way to keep them.
How can we do that? You share someone who's making
big money to create an opportunity to sign somebody else
to make big money. No one has said that, but
it doesn't take much to read the teethers and be like,
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maybe they're setting something up so they can call the
agent before the end of season, but like, hey, let's
get this deal done.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, Well, do you think after this week we'll see
it again? It's another data point where you'll see some
teams slide a little bit further. I mean, we saw
a little bit of a flurry this week. I think
next week could be a fun one. Next week we
could see the bigger the bigger dudes going yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Because look, a third of the season would be done.
You kind of know where you're at.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
You know, after six games, if you're at one in five,
probably not go Hacke free.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
So now we got to start things twenty six. Now
we're looking at twenty six. Now you start thinking about, hey,
how can we set the roster up for next year?
What can we do, Let's get the young players on
the field. You begin to have those real conversationation.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Uh, it's unfortunate that all the hope and optimism can
go away real quick in the league, but that's the
reality of it. Yeah, I think we will see more movement.
We'll see your Florida players. And you're right, DJ, our
generation are sitting in those seats now where you're making
decisions and people are trading players in exchange for another
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player and yeah, six seven round pick, yeah, just whatever,
whatever we need to do to make the deal work.
Like it's fine, that's what we're seeing, which is kind
of funny because like I feel like everyone is throwing
in a six or seventh round pick at the end.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Like yeah, whatever.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Like, by the way, don't you think we should just
use a group text from the gas standpoint? You know
how it goes in those buildings. It's like, hey, here,
let's div it up. We got these four guys. You
call these you know, eight teams. You call these eight teams,
and we're gonna let them know that player X is available. Guys,
come on, man, group texts, got all the gms on there,
Joe Smith, guys, come and get them who who.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
They just just see me you best offer by am
the next day and we'll kind of figured it out,
see if we can work it out or whatever. Yeah,
it's funny to hear the mechanics of how these trades
are being pulled off. But yeah, like you have a
very aggressive generation of general managers get aren't afraid to
swap out, make moves to see if they can help
their team.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yeah. I guess the only thing that'll be reported publicly
in about thirty seconds after you send it. But I
guess if you really want to trade him, you'd be
okay with the name getting out there. So it's funny.
All right, let's say quick break, we'll look at some
of the big games this weekend. All right, buck, let's
jump into it. We got one in London. We've got
Broncos Jets over there. I know I saw you know
(12:43):
when you're asking Sean Payton, is this a look over
him game? And he gave kind of the look. There's
These are all professional teams, like the Jets are capable
of beating people, so it can't look past them. But
this is a this is one. On the surface, it
looks like it should be a comfortable one for how
bad the Jets have been.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
It does look like that. But as soon as you
start thinking that, dj what happens.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
The Tennessee Titans find a way to knock off the
airs on the car knows the Cleveland Browns knock off
the Green Bay Packer.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
I mean, just this is just what the league is.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
The challenge in the trade for the Denver Broncos is
can you maintain that same level of focus that you
had against the Phildepic Eagles last week to take on
the Jets. And if you're the Jets, you're only five.
People are saying like you're a worse outfit than the
previous version. How do you fix the turnovers? How do
you fix the turnobars?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
DJ?
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I I was looking at this thing, and I was researching,
like the turnovers, and Pete Carrolyn is all about the
ball DJ. All the teams they have a minus four
or worse differential in turnovers.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
The combined record is six and twenty four. Like, just
the turnovers are the things that are killing you. If
you can just take care of the ball, it gives
a chance. But if you are reckless with the ball,
you have no shot of winning in this league. So
the first thing that I would do with the Jets,
who are number one and take man, let's just find
a way to end every drive and a kick.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
And I know it sounds cliche, but literally, let's punt it.
Let's kick a pat let's kick a field goal or whatever.
But let's make sure we don't give away the game,
because in giving it away, you have no chance of
being able to win it.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
And I would also echo that with penalties, it seems
like on a weekly basis that the more penalized team
is having a hard time winning ball games. Timely penalties
at that. So you got Broncos Jets, there, rams Ravens
on the schedule, comes out buck fired up about that game.
Now it's not so much yeah, non you've been.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
In that building, because you've been in there.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
And I've always felt like the Ravens are one of
the few franchises that no matter where they're sitting, sometimes
they can find a way to galvanize themselves to kind
of orchestrate a turn around. John Harboy has been on
the gig for a long time. He's seen it all.
He's been able to kind of help them bounce back.
And Lamar may or may not come back to because
they're bye week is right after this. To me, I
think the wounded animal is dangerous and can they mustered up?
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But they have been so bad, man, I just I
never thought we were to the point where a team
in a franchise that's been synonymously great defenses.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Are this bad? I mean they're terrible. Uh.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
They made a trade. They made a trade, brought over
Loyd Gilman, who's really one of the good dudes. Great dude,
and I have to go back and look it up.
I think he played at Notre Dame. Didn't he play
with Hamilton? Yeah, he played with didn't he play with him?
I think we go back and look that up. I'm
pretty sure he did play with Hamilton. Uh, but yeah,
they brought him over there try and help out the
back end a little bit. They've had some injuries, including Hamilton,
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so we'll see what the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
CJ Yeah, CJ garing to Johnson was signed to the
practice squad and definitely trying to figure out how to do.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
The back end.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
That means that they can try and put Cayle Hamilton
back in the spot where you can be the Swiss
Army knife at the second level and do some of
those things. But look, man, the Ravens have to get
back to just doing what I would say, the simple things, well,
lining up, knowing what did you, running to the ball,
tackling with Forrest, not missing tackles on the perimeter, get
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back to the basic things. They have been a team
that has always been so exotic on defense that when
it goes a right, I do wonder if they can
get back to the we've all.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Any injuries, man, there's just so many injuries. Yeah, A
BK is kind of the he was kind of the
straw that stirred to drink there too, man, Like that's you.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
And finally, after all those years DJ, they don't have
a They don't have a dominant pass rusher up front now.
And Matty Bka was such a dominant player up front,
not only against the run but against the pass. They're
missing that. And it's funny because they've drafted and they've
tried to do that. But when I think about those
vintage teams with sizzle, uh ray Lewis knows that they've.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Always had multiple lawyers.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
They've always had They've always had multiple guys on the
front line that could win their one on ones and
get to the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
They don't have that anymore.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
And so some of this is a right u F
but some of it is the cumultive effect of not
being able to stockpile the cover with a bunch of
pass rushes and dominant players on the front line.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
How about the game you're going to be at.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
You know, it's an interesting game and this is an
interesting game. And here's what I say, Djam.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
We were on the movement when we talk about the
reclamation projects, and I believe the reclamation projects is going
to be a trend next year. That continues because as
people begin to cast their eyes to the twenty twenty
six quarterback class in the draft, it is not what
people thought.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
It would be. So now the guys like Mac Jones,
Daniel Jones, those guys go to the front of the line.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
People are gonna be excited about taking on that project
because Sam Donald and Baker Mayfield are prime examples of
what happens when you kick the can on a former
number one pick, put them in the right offense with
the right coaching, and what can happen. Sam Donald was
absolutely dealing last weekend. The duo that he had with
Baker Mayfield was everything that are art and Sam donald
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supporters said that he would be. That's taken some years,
but as Sam Donald has shown up and what it
shows you is, man, it's a long developmental process. When
it comes to quarterbacks, but it also takes a village
around him to get it done.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Jsn being the playmaker that he is.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Cooper Cup being reliable, the running game that they have
around him, and I'll say this, their offensive line isn't
like one of the tops.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
But man, the weapons, firepower around him, the firepower.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Around around him Donald enables him to do what he
has the potential that he's always had the potential to do.
But now he's in the right system with the right
cast to showcase it like he was.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Last year in Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
I don't know how many guys in leaguer processing faster
than Sam Donald is right now. When you go back
and you watch him every week, he's number three, number
four in the progression he is. He's looking there.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Look, I'm not a quarterback Google, but here's what I
would say if I am a quarterback who wish struggled.
I'm going to see the wizard, and the wizard is
some descendant of the Sean McVay slash col shanahan tree.
I'm gonna spend a year there, I'm gonna learn how
to play the position.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
I'm gonna do it, and I'm gonna be a change man.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
After I see the Wizard Sam Sam Donald went to
San Francisco as a backup, learned that the base part
of the system. He gets the blessing from Shanahan as
they start talking, goes to Kevin O'Connell. Plays better when
he has his opportunity in Minnesota, and now he's a
different thing. Baker Mayfield goes from Carolina to the l
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a Rams, spend some time with Sean McVay the Wizard.
He is a different player when he shows up in Tampa.
I don't know what they tell the quarterbacks. I don't
know what they're teaching the quarterbacks. I saw Malik Willis
go from Tennessee to Green Bay, show up and look
like a much different player. I'm going to the Wizard.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Wizard of Oz a great, great example of that, you know. So,
I mean he looks like a totally different player.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Look and it looks like, Man, imagine if Kyle Shanahan
had taken Mac Jones when maybe.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
He want Oh yeah, that changes history a little bit.
All right, Let's get to a couple more here. Lions,
Chiefs at the Chiefs. That's going to be a big one.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Man.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Kansas City. That feels like you almost got to have
that one. This is a Lions team that's rolling right now.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Yeah, a Lion's team just rolling. But here's what I
would say, and I know you live it being in
that division. I don't care what you say about the
Kansity Chiefs DJ. There's a not a fear factor, but
there's an apprehension when you play them that number fifteen
is going to find a way to do it, because
when you really look at their team, they're okay, but
man number fifteen is the one that makes it breaks them.
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And because he is so good, so composed, understands how
to kind of game the system with his legs and
scrambling and doing those things, they're never an easy out.
And the fear is they find just enough wins to
get into the tournament and then you got to deal
with him in playoff mode. This is a big game
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for them because they need to win to kind of
stay in the thing.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
They don't want to fall too far off the path.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
And for the Detroit Lions, this is an opportunity to
really announce yourself. It's like, yeah, you thought we were
going away because we had all the change, We're still
right here. John Boyden has done a great job of
taking this offense and continue.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
To build upon it.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I never envisioned him maintaining the physicality and fund, but
he's done a really good job of doing it within
his personnelity.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
There's a lot of different ways to sing could go.
But I will say, like everybody's just kind of yeah,
you know, I'm not Kansas City still Kansas City, and
they're going to figure it out and they'll find time.
And I'm just telling you that if Detroit goes on
the road and beats the breaks off them, then this
conversation is going to change. And people are like, Okay,
well that was the window. That window is shut. Like
(21:42):
as crazy as that sounds, it feels like this is
that type of a week where narratives are going.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
To be well.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
It does because when you look at the talent right
when I'm looking there and no disrespect to the personnel.
When I look at who scares me? If we're doing
the advanced report Za, if you're worthy the quarterback, everybody
else I'm okay with.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Yeah, Chris Jones is we've been making them get for
Shard Smith more involved.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
And they did, and they did a really good job
of creatively getting them there. But they don't have the
firepower that they once had, and that changes because until
they're able to either run the football or change the
way that people play them defensively, they can't get the
explosive plays.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
So everything is like a hard not a hard down,
but it's a.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Hard long drive that they don't get the easy gift
plays that they used to get. Yeah, but you're right,
narrative changes, just we can if they lose.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Speaking of narratives, this is the narrative game. Everyone's going
to be speaking in absolutes as they always do. It's
gonna be the the debate game. It's gonna be the
Commanders against the Bears, and everybody's going to say that
one of those two quarterbacks is the second coming and
the other one stinks that's gonna be comes out. It's
just the way it's all set up with Caleb and
(23:03):
Jayde Daniels Jadan Daniels one on the Hail Mary. Previously,
Caleb had the big drive that brought him back in
that game, which kind of gets forgotten. I saw Jaden
last week. He's getting his legs back under him. His
first game back, he got better as that game against
the Chargers went along. They've been beat up at the
wide receiver position, but they're running the ball well. The
Bears had coming off some rest. It's on the road
(23:23):
for them. But man, this is again first statement opportunities.
This would be a big statement with these two quarterbacks
being linked together. If Ben Johnson could take Caleb in
there and have Caleb play really well.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Yeah, it'd be a big, big statement game.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
And you're right, like Caleb is, Caleb's progress has kind
of flown up under the radar. If he can have
a big statement game against a guy that was QB
two in that draft class, it really opened up the
conversation in terms of the growth that he's made under
Ben Johnson. And on the other side, the flip side,
if Jayde Daniels continues to dominate and look like he's
look under Cliff Kingsbury in this offense explodes with Deebo
(23:58):
Samuel and the other play makes the day, we have
a different conversation about the Commanders.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yeah, looking forward to that game. It's a great weekend
of games. I would encourage you if you missed it.
The other day we had Jim Nagion from Oklahoma. Their
general manager was a fun conversation. I would encourage you
to go back check that one out, and we'll be
back next week as we kind of break down everything
that we saw. Really looking forward to a wonderful weekend
of football. Appreciate you hanging with us. We'll see you
right here on movie sticks.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Bucky Brooks
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