On the latest NFL Players: Second Acts podcast, former QB Christian Ponder joins Peanut and Roman. Christian shares his football journey playing at Florida St. under legendary coach Bobby Bowden to becoming a first-round pick by the Minnesota Vikings in 2011. He also talks about what it was like having a front-row seat to history in 2012 when Adrian Peterson ran for 2,097 yards. And Christian says when you shake Adrian’s hand you do so at your own risk. Christian also discusses how he got his undergraduate degree from Florida St. in two-and-a-half years and went on to get his MBA. Despite his academic credentials, Christian opens up about his struggles to transition from football after his six-year NFL career. However, he has found success in his new company called “The Post,” and he shares how he’s working to build a networking community of athletes turned business leaders. And how does Christian have a connection to Jackie Robinson, you ask? Take a listen and find out!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm Christian Ponder and this is the NFL Player's Second
Acts Podcast. What's going on, everybody?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I'm Charles Penut Tillman, and this is the NFL Player's.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Second Acts Podcast. And with me as always, I got
my guy Ruhlman Harbor. You're giving me Miami vice vibes
right now with this outfit. I'm loving it. It's dope,
hey man, appreciate it. Man.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
It's two places you can wear white pants three hundred
and sixty five days.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Of the year.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Miami's number one and Vegas is number two. So boom,
I'm in.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
All right, So we got a good one. NFC North.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
This guy twelfth round pick, excuse me, twelfth pick overall
in a twenty eleven draft.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Florida State, played six years in the.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
League, Broncos forty nine ers and the Vikings. He is
a smart guy, bachelor's degree in finance, got his NBA
all from Florida State. He recently founded the Post, a
private membership network connecting athletes turned business leaders, ladies and gentlemen.
Christian Pond appreciate nice.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
I mean hold on, like you said, like he's a
smart guy, like other guys aren't.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I didn't no, no, no, here's no, no, no, let
me let me let me clay.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
So two and a half years and a half years,
that's that's that's that's, that's it.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah, I love Florida State. But it was also it
wasn't Stanford, so he to have.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Two and a half two and a half was graduating
three and a half. Trust me, I ain't the smartest
tool in the in the in the thing where you
keep on twols and ship. But yeah again I did
mine in three and a half, not two and a half.
And you're traveling playing like that's it's a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I'm smarter than peanuts.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
That's basically saying basically, that's a that's a lot to do.
That's all I'm saying, that's a lot to do.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
First of all, I just tell me this, what was
your first welcome to the NFL moment?
Speaker 1 (02:03):
I think it was actually playing against the Bears and
it was my rookie year and Donovan you know, so
I was the lockout, you right, So got drafted. We
didn't do anything until training camp, and we didn't have
a veteran guy, so like, what was it, I think
less than a week before training game started finally lockout ended.
They greeted CBA and so they immediately signed Donminan mcnam
(02:23):
and Donovan came in. He was a veteran guy, got
to learn from him. And it was six game of
the year. I think we played Chicago and we got smoked,
and so I went in fourth quarter, maybe even late third,
and I just remember I had ran up the middle
and the first tackle I ever had in the NFL,
I got tackled by Bryannerlecker and I was like, oh,
all right, cool on go of Washington, you know. And
(02:47):
and so that was a pretty a pretty cool moment.
And just to get in and play like that was
it was awesome. But was it like a star stort
moment too when you got it? Wasn't. It was kind
of like one of those things like I got hit
and I'm talking back with the huddle and I looked back,
I was like, oh that was they were like her,
you know. So it wasn't like, you know, it's like
once you get out there, like you don't get star
truck anymore. It was just more of like, wow, I
(03:08):
made this moment, you know, like I'm here.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
So, yeah, do you remember playing the Saints, you remember
do you remember going against Chris.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
You guys beat us at home? Yes, I think you
had two sacks, but one of your sacks was appilled.
You got he They always hating on me, dog. Well,
they said you were a dirty player. I agree, that's
what they said. All defensive guys are dirty.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
I'm just glad because I think later on that year
that you guys don't broke.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
That was the year before, so we were supposed to play, y'all.
That was the year before, and they had to move
the game. Yeah, it was not fun.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
It was I had to play outside in Minnesota, like
a University of Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Like yeah, that was yeah. That was when they built
they're building a new stadium, so they tore down the
old stadium and we had to play at University of
Minnesota for two years. And I remember we played the Jets.
I think it was a Jets at home, and it
was you know, a high eleven degrees. And I remember, like,
you know, the offensive line guys right there, all tough.
They don't wear sleeves. I'm like, well, I can't wear
sleeves going out here for warm ups. I couldn't do
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the ball because like my arm was numb. I'm like,
you idiot, Like, am I gonna put sleeves on?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah? So that was that was good.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
So that's the thing that people don't realize. So we
were the same when in Chicago. I'm sure they're the
same way in Green Bay. Like it's it's a it's
a mindset, like you just know, we go tough for
that we in the cold. First time I did it,
like you, I froze. I had to put some sleeves on.
And then after that, the defensive cats, the Brian relax.
They would not leave me alone. And then it was
just like all right, I gotta just I got a
(04:40):
man up and just I gotta get used to this.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
I just got to embrace the cold. Did you wor
gloves when you played it? No? No, I didn't. I
tried it. I just I never got the confidence that like,
because it felt different, right yeah, So if you get
comfortable with it and you're confident with it, fine, but
I never did it, and so I would try and
practice and it just yeah, you make one back throw
and it's like all right, I gotta take this off right,
like the he's in your head and you can't couldn't
do it anymore. What do you remember most about that
(05:04):
twenty eleven season with Adrian Peterson and just handing the
ball off and just watching him just create poetry in motion. Yeah,
obviously he was unbelievable and still looks like he can
go play and he I think the first thing he
stood out to me was like in training game and
like walk through, Like the guy's one speed, right, even
in walk through it's like he's ripping your arm off
(05:24):
when you're handing the ball. And yeah, he was. And
obviously seeing highlights. I grew up in Texas and so
seeing his high school highlights, see him go to Oklahoma
and watching his career and then being able to play
with him. He was such a beast, but also one
of the most humble and nice guys to be around.
And just the way that he went about his work
(05:44):
and then see him come back from the acl and
you know, have two thousand yards like he. It was
tremendous to be his teammate and have a front row
seat to watching him play. Now did he ever? Ever?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
So we all know about the handshake, right, Yeah, we
were some other a little bit earlier before you got here.
What did you what was your first, what is your
first thought when you when you sugar sand for the
first time?
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Introduction, introduce yourself. I don't guess it on purpose, Like
just similar, he's like dominance, you know, like it's that
he's the alpha male in this in this relationship. But
it's like dang age. But that's like that was everything,
Like everything was at a whole other level.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
So for for y'all listening and watching, it's common knowledge
in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
It's not even a myth. Everyone knows that.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Everyone's just like, I've never shaken his sand, but I
kind of want to shake a sand.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Because I heard it's it's so strong, he will break
somebody's hand. If you're not ready, you got to be
just don't. It's got to be on purpose, like he's
got it. He's got to know what he's.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Doing right, Like it's yeah, I think he knows that
everybody knows about it too, and so he just keeps
it going. He just won't go.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
It's funny because you talked about how he was in
you know, even doing warm ups like walkthroughs.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I saw him at the Pro Bowl practice.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Uh, when I actually got to play in it, and
I was like, I was watching him practice, and of
course some guy's got.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Flip flops on. Nobody's going on, so chill.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
It's like way down, doubt not him, No, And I'm
looking at him. I'm like, this dude might be the
prettiest running back I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
He looks like a thoroughbred. He said.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
If I played for Minnesota, I give him the ball
forty five times a game.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah, I mean, why not, you know. But what's so
interesting about him is like no knock an agent, But
have you ever seen him like shoot a basketball or
throw football?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
No, Like he's he's a definition of like that's the knock. Yeah,
we can not going him ye keep going like.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
One of the best athletes to ever be in the
running back position, right like they unblue while athlete, but
cannot shoot a basketball and cannot throw a ball just
a football, like just a running back, right, like in
the scope of his athleticism and right right, but like
you know, watch to shoot the basketball and you're like,
you know, like I did not know that. I never
(07:58):
guess that me, neither are you doing that?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
That reminds me of like like a gymnast, Like a
lot of gymnasts they can only do what they do,
Like you put him in another sport, they're like, yeah,
it's not terrible.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
They run with their arms like the judge, like someone's
athletic ability of like can you throw a ball? Right?
Like the most basic athletic move to me is like, yeah,
everyone can run, but can you throw? I guess not
everyone can run. You talked about it, like, yeah, some
people need to have friends that will tell the truth
that like, you look like an idiot when you run.
But like my assumption is Adrian started playing running back
and pee wee football at a very young age. Realized
(08:33):
he was really good and that was like his sole
focus for a long time. So probably didn't play basketball
growing up or baseball or whatever.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Basically, he's like small from the same lot. You're killing
me small, Like you're killing me Asian. It's like, come on,
you does he always just run the ball back like
the kid like you know, you tell the kid, the
little kid, like, don't.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Throw it back, Like, don't throw it back like they do.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
It's like can't Like he just always runs all yeah,
it's crazy. I'm like, dude, you played in the league forever,
just never learned how to throw a ball.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
So let's get away from football. We'll pivot and we'll
get into the your second act. So naturally we all retire,
we have to do something, you know, outside of football,
and particularly you, you got in a business. You got
your NBA from Florida State. Let me ask you this,
what really caused you or excuse me, what really inspired
(09:21):
you to get that NBA and go the direction in
the business field.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Talk about also getting it while in college playing football?
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, graduating undergrad and a half years,
like you know, I was there. I took a rest
of years, so I was at floor tight for five years.
I came with a bunch of AP credits from high school.
So I think I started off pretty much as a
sophomore when I got you know, step foot on campus,
and so you know, I had interested in finance. My
dad was in finance growing up, and and so that's
(09:49):
what I figured I want to do is like a
generic business screed. Like I knew at some point right
football was gonna be over, and so did that finished
pretty quickly, and thought like, okay, it would be great
to get my MBA. Now I I do wish if
I did it differently, I kind of got my MBA
to check the box of like getting my MBA and
having a master's degree instead of like actually valid because
(10:11):
they suggest, like, you know, when you go get your MBA,
hopefully you have some working experience and then you go
back and get your MBA. And I think I would
have appreciated it more if I would have done that.
But I got it done, actually finished that, and then
start a second master's in sports administration sports management. I
don't think I'll ever go back and finish that, but yeah,
so I just I knew, right, I didn't know if
I was ever to make the NFL. I didn't know
(10:32):
how long my football career was going to be. So
I knew it was you know, while I was in school,
I had to take advantage of of free education and
or an earned education, and so that's that was a
focus for me. How far are you along in the
second master's degree. I think I'm about halfway through it,
you know. And I'll be honest, like when I finished
my MBA, I tried to go back into undergrad. I
(10:52):
try to take the undergrad sports management, just get a
bachelor's degree, because I thought like I earned it to
Coast for the rest of my educational career at Florida State.
And I made a comment in the newspaper over the
summer that said basically that like I earn a MBA.
You know, I'm trying to make this you know, this
last summer in fall of my senior year like just
(11:13):
solely focused on football. So I'm trying to take it easy.
I sign up for the undergrad sports management degree, and
the the head of the sports administration department, uh read it,
and I got an email and I had to go
meet with them, and they're like, look, you can't take
the undergrad you have to take the masters. And and
(11:34):
so basically like they for they said, you're too you're
overqualified to go back and get your bachelor's. Cree. So
they've made me take the master's program. And then I
swear like all the professors that have been deetted against me,
like you know, like it was like the worst ever
performed in school, Like it was like every grade was terrible.
So yeah, so I you know, I don't again, I
don't know if I ever go back. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
A little bit of advice, guys, Hey, look, if you're
ever out there, don't bridget bridges that don't talk about
you just want to coastal.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
There's a difference between book smarts and street smarts, right,
So like I had the book Smarts, but actually opening
my mouth and saying that was a dumb movie. You
mentioned something Christian I thought was really interesting, which was you.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Wished that you would have had a little bit of
work experience before you got your NBA, so then you
could probably apply some things to each other. I was
one of those that didn't finish school, and I was
in school five years and I was like two credits short,
two classes short. I went back after my second year
in the NFL, and it was so much easier finishing
up my business degree because everything that we had questions
(12:39):
about I just used like football in his example, and
once you're understanding, like the football is a business at
the highest level, all this normal stuff that we're talking about,
Oh you can do it, and it just applies right over.
I just I want, what do you think about that?
Going back and like that's what you admired to do,
and I actually got to live with this kind.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Of yeah, probably greater appreciation for it, right. I think
when we're playing, it's like, well, football is my sense
of my purpose. That's why I'm here. I'm just going
to class to make sure I'm eligible to play. Right,
And you don't necessarily value and also like right, like
football requires so much of you, and so you are
often time to just check the box and get it
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done so that you can take care of the things
on the field. And so I think going back afterwards,
I think you just have a great appreciation for the
actual learnings that you're experiencing in school, and you know,
mix it. It makes it more enjoyable.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
We'll be back in a minute. So tell me about this,
I mean talking about things that are enjoyable the post. Yeah,
how did you transition into getting into that?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Maybe talk about a little bit.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
How was the transition after leaving football and then going
in this direction.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Yeah, so, I you know, on paper, right, NBA com
under in finance, Like on paper, I thought I had together.
I knew I wanted to go into finance. You know.
My last year in league was sixteen with the Night
and then we moved to New York City in August
down seventeen. Thought, if I've been in finance, why not
move to financial capital? The world started on the wealth
management pathway and just about the days did angel investing
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and got into venture capital, like shorted in in a
small hedge fune on the BIS film in side and
quickly realized that the transition sucked, you know, like it
was hard, and so I kind of started, were you
like feeling empty while you're doing all these things? Yeah,
as a void, right Like I had this void of
like I've been an athlete my whole life, right, It's
a huge part of my identity and how I operating
(14:31):
this world. And suddenly it was over or felt like
it was over, felt like it now was just reduced
to a past version of myself. And more importantly, and
you guys know this as you talked to some of guys,
like I missed the locker room, right, Like, I've been
part of a team in a locker room again, surrounded
by athletes. Athletes are my people, the people I knowst
in common with and enjoy being around the most. And
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it was the first time in my life where it
was formally removed from that group. And so it was
it was hard. And I think what I also meant
is like I benefited from being around athletes. Right when
you're in a room w everyone's defined by their work
ethic and their grittiness and their competitiveness and their ambition
and drive. You know, it's behavioral psychology, Like we are
influenced by the people who we surround ourselves with. And
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even in a place like New York City, which is
full of hard working, highly ambitious people, I couldn't find
things to fill the void. I joined different clubs and
networks like trying to find this home, this replacement for
the locker room, and I couldn't find it. And so
that that was kind of the seeds on the planned
for this idea of the post, which was really how
do we rebuild the locker room for for athletes? Right?
(15:36):
Like our whole thesis is number one. You know, there's
so many transferable skills that sports develops and athletes, right,
and there's so much compelling data around the outperformance of
athletes in business. People who've played college sports so are
definite of athletes, right, were exclusive to athletes, Our business
leaders are definitition of athletes anyone who played college sports.
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And so people who played college sports the United States
only make up roughly one and a half percent of population.
It's a little over five million people. Oh wow, not
a lot, and yet that one and a half percent
accounts for fifty two percent of women in the C
suite today. Fifteen or last twenty one US presidents were
college athletes, and an outside the number of fortune, five
hundred CEOs are college athletes. And so you know society
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still views athletes, right, is the dumb jock mentality? Right,
like you only went to school because you played football
or sports or whatever. Like your value is really high
when you're on the field, and then it's steeply downhill
when sports is over. And I think we all fight
this uphill battle in this in security around entering new
environments outside of sports and getting into business. And yet
business is no different than sports. Well, I mean, you successful,
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made you a great athlete in sports, makes you an
exceptional business leader in business. And what was interesting? So
I had this idea of like what if we created
a space for athletes? Right, what if I created a home?
I don't have you guys ever been to a SOHO
house before? Yeah? So I was sitting at so outside
joined sohus in New York, as you know, trying to
find something to feel the avoid you search it and yeah,
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and I in twenty nineteen, I was sitting there one
day like, hey, this place is beautiful, the Vibe School.
I feel so out of place here, right, these are
not my people? And what if all these people in
here were athletes? And that's where it started. What if
we built a social club for for athletes that felt
like it fell short when we started studying all this
data around how athletes perform in business and how so
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we had to like we'd actionize the community, like we're
performance ore into people. We can't just hang out and
grab a drink together. So we started studying other things
like YPO and EO some and of these professional business
networks that have been around for a really long time.
And and so that's what we did. It was like
part part social club, park professional network. We launched our
profession network back in April. We opened up our first
physical clubouse Space or No to sew House in New
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York back in September. And so it's been work like
foreign members across country, seventy one percent of our members
of VP level and above business. You know, we look
at athletic resume compared with business resume. If your athletic
resume looks like hey, you were innate, your professional athlete.
We think that brings something to the table because we're
trying to build this roster, right, We're trying to build
people that are bringing something to the table that can
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we can leverage each other, we can grow together. Like
how do you recreate this whole ecosystem of team support
where you had teammates that were there to push you
and support you, hold you accountable. You know, coaches that
helped you get better, right, the resources that helped you
get better, and that was all about athletic potential. And
this is all about all these all this business potential
that all athletes possessed. And we have a bunch of C.
Suite level people, like we want to remembers the is
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the global CEO of Great Group of global ad agency,
she was a softball player in college. Or the CEMO
of Daily Harvest, the smoothie company who was a Paul
Vlter Wisconsin. Just it's a really it's a really great group.
But I wanted the locker room, and so we're just
creating the locker room in a whole new way. I think.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
When so I'm a Texas kid, I'm from Central Texas,
and you know, one of my coaches used to always
say Football's game of life. And I don't think you
really understood what that was when you're you know, freshman
and sophomore, junior, senior, couldn't couldn't figure it out. Then
you would give you like a little he would do
you like a little story. You know, football, you know
s game of life. You know it's you know, you
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got to go out there, you gotta do the job.
You lose a game, what happens if you married kids,
you get fired? You can walk on your family. So
you lose a game, you can walk on your family team.
So that was one of the I guess lessons that
I kind of learned from football. What are what are
some of the lessons that from playing sports that you
learned that you can share or that you can apply
to other aspects of your life.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah, I think, I mean there's so many, right, There's
so many skill sets and routines and structures that we
were that we benefited from as athletes that if you
can recreate those things or lean into those things, we
talk about like, I think a lot of us try
to shed that that athlete identity when we're done playing,
because it's like it was only benefit beneficial to my past.
(19:44):
It's not necessarily beneficial to my future. Our idea is like,
hell yeah, it is like, go be an athlete in business,
Go be an athlete in marriage, Go be an athlete
as a parent. Because what does that mean? It means
Number one, it starts with a high level of self awareness. Right,
we were always getting feedback. We're watching a film of ourselves, right,
like getting coached. So you knew number one, what you're
doing well, but number two, more importantly, what weren't you
doing well? What were the areas that I need to
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improve upon? And then you found like the long term
competitiveness that was the motivation that sustained you to like
get better in those specific areas so you could perform
better on the field for yourself and for your teammates.
Combine that with like the target that targeted effort. Right, So,
like it's not enough to just work hard, right, you
have to work hard in the specific areas that you
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need to improve upon and the goals that you need
to set for yourself or for your company, or for
yourself as an athlete. And so you got to chase
out of those things hard and that's what you benefit from.
And I think we kind of inherently know all these
things we don't want to say think about them as athletes,
but like you should be doing all those same things
in every other area of your life, right like in
business as a business leader, what am I communicating well
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enough with my employees? Am I setting the right KPIs
or goals for my company? Is? You know, if I'm
fundraising my pitching well enough, you got to get that feedback.
You've got to run that own self scout how do
I get better in those areas? Identify the opportunities to
get better and that sustained motivation of Like, really, for me,
it comes down to purpose, Like, is what you're chasing
a line with your purpose? Because if it's not aligned
with your purpose, you're gonna have a really hard time.
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Like when it's hard, can you continue to have that
motivation to sustain yourself? And I think all of us
played for something whether we knew it or not in
football that sustained us through the hard times that are inevitable.
And the game of football are sports in general, and
it's no different. It's no different than business. Right business
is sports. It's just maybe not the adrenaline rush that
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we all had, you know, definitely not an adrenaline.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
You said something that was real, like prevalent to me
early on, just a couple of seconds ago. You said,
how like your whole time you're playing football, it's like
it's our whole identity. And then the moment we're done,
we're like, oh, I'm more than a football player, right.
And it's weird because a lot of times when you're
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a player, you're like, dude, I'm more than just a
football player.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
I'm not just this.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
I don't want to be just category categorizes that. Then
when we're done, we're like, I mean, I used to
be like a football player. I still try and lean
on those things. And so you I've read you talked
about and I want you to share these the four
things that athletes should focus on when they're done playing,
and how can they stay focused and continue to grind
(22:21):
through this whole transition.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah. Well, and even what you said, like that idea
of like more than a football player, more than an athlete,
I think we feel like we need to say that
because we think being an athlete is a liability. It's
a liability for life after great point, And why do
we feel that way it's because outsiders tell us that
we should feel that way. And again, being an athlete,
(22:44):
and this is what we're trying to build with the
post is like in the core thesis is being an
athlete is a massive competitive advantage to life and life
in business, right, and the data proves that, it proves
that there's this tremendous performance. If you can transfer what
you're dow in sports to other things really well, then
it's a massive commitment. So like, don't shy away from that,
don't don't run away from that, don't apologize for that,
(23:06):
go like have full confidence in who you are. So
Price Waterhouse Cooper does a surveyor year is called the
CEO Survey, the and Yeah CEO Survey, and so they
sign out a bunch of questions the CEOs across all
different industries and they ask a few questions and one
of the questions a few years ago is what do
you think is the biggest threat to the future of business?
And seventy seven percent of CEO said it's a lack
(23:28):
of soft skills in the workforce. And they talk about
leadership skills, problem solving skills, creativity skills, and athletes have
a tremendous amount of soft skills, right we all, especially
leadership skills, problem solving skills, and so athletes are specifically
they're already you know, uniquely qualified to perform own business.
But that disparity, that gap between the athletes and our
(23:49):
athletes is only going to grow. And so our idea
is like, well, let's support them, right, Let's be that
that place where all athletes go to when they're when
they're done. You know, all this members like seventy two
years old, once an athlete, always an athlete, right that
we call it the athlete operating system, all those those
skills that we all have. Again, like you should be
leaning into that and not leading away from that. But
the four things. So when I again like self awareness
(24:11):
to me was such a crucial role and figure out
the struggle of my transition, right, and and so I
thought about, okay, like why is this hard? And so
number one, we talked about identity, right, like the loss
of my identity as a football player, at least seemingly
it felt like I lost that identity, yes, and and
so for us like no, like, don't don't shed that identity.
Continue to be who you are, continue to identify those
(24:33):
things that made you a great athlete and transfer them well,
so don't shed that identity. A sense of purpose was
the second one, which is a big one. I grew
up in Texas too, where like football is your purpose, right,
and and so and then going to play big time
you know football Florida State and play in the NFL,
like and I talked about this with school earlier, that
like football was your purpose and everything around that served
(24:54):
that purpose. Right. I went to school so I could
make the grades, so I could stay on the field
and play and say just stay ou, I worked out,
I treated my body well. It was all because I
wanted to serve my purpose as a football player. That's
a problem, right because football is going to end. So
if your purpose is football, you're screwing yourself over because
(25:15):
it's going to disappear. So what you have to identify
and it's even to your benefit because I talked about
it before, like your sustained motivation through hard times that
are going to happen in any career, and especially in sports.
Your purpose has to be beyond the game, right, right,
And so if my purpose is hey, buying my mama
house or serving you know, supporting my wife and my kids,
(25:36):
whatever it is. That purpose doesn't go away when football
is over, so you can just transfer that purpose into
the next thing that you're doing. Right, So you've got
to make sure that that's in line. The other thing
is structured and routines. Right. We're always being told what
to do, where to do it, how to do it,
when to do it, at all times, and suddenly it's over,
and so you have to look back, and I like,
like one of the things I did, I kept all of
my workout books from like Summer Workout gout right, Yeah,
(26:00):
because I need those structures I have, at least for playbooks,
and so yeah, still got them. So like you have now,
you don't benefit from having an outsider telling you what
to do. You have to take it upon yourself and
be responsib enough to create your own structures and your
own routines. But we thrived in a highly structured environment,
so you have to create a highly structured environment for
(26:20):
yourself when football is over. And then the last and
probably the most important is the community side. Right, Like
we left the locker room, we lost it and and
so you've got to be able to find a place
that you can plug into and find that community, find
that that brotherhood, that sisterhood, whatever it is, and that's
where we want to come in and serve that purpose
(26:40):
of like, how do we give the infrastructure for that
community to come together again and not in a again,
not in a Hey, sport is a liability. We need
to hold your hand to find your first job. Like no,
like from a position of empowerment of like, you know,
we're trying to build an NFL roster, the best of
the best that are coming together leveraging each other to
get better, just like we did in sports. We'll be
(27:02):
right back after a quick break.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I want to switch topics real quick. I want to
talk about some some outdoorsmanship right now.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
So i'm i'm, I'm.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
I mean, you got a great beard. You look outdoorsy.
What what about mine?
Speaker 1 (27:15):
How does my beard look a little too shaped up?
Your's a little gray? So yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Anyway, my Grandpap's used to take me fishing all the time, right.
I loved it as a kid. My dad told me
how to you know, bait, bait the worm and do
all those cool things. I know you're a big fisherman
or you you call some fish. I want to know,
what's the biggest fish you've ever caught?
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Uh, Well, I had uh you know, I did a
lot of like saltwater fishing and when I was at
Florida State, so I've caught sharks and and all that stuff.
The biggest feel like, yeah, I mean I had to
been a shark. I can't put a number on it.
You know, bass like my biggest basket probably like five pounds.
I don't have some record basket I caught. I love
(27:58):
now what I love. I love fly fishing. That's kind
of difficult. It's a whole skill set. It's one of
these kind of you to be like flick flicking the wrist.
It's kind of one of those things. It's to me,
it's like it's art, right, It's not throwing a big
old spinner bait out there and trying to catch a
bas It's like it's very delicate. You're always doing it
(28:19):
in beautiful places, right, like your mountains, And to me,
it's it's it's much more like thought rogue, right, So
like it's it's get you got to identify, like are
they are the trout eating up top? Are they down below?
You identify like what they're eating and the size right,
so like now you have to get the color ride,
we get the size right, it's got to float the
right way. And it's almost like it turns into competition,
(28:41):
right because a lot of it is you can see
a fish right and it's like, all right, it's like
one on one, right, like am I gonna beat you?
Or you gonna beat me? Like you know, it's like
and I love it. It's great. Now I have three kids,
I live in Manhattan, so I don't do it a
lot now, but yeah, I love I love fishing. Got
in the fensant hunting when I was in Minnesota, which
was fun, and uh, you know as much as I
(29:01):
can in the urban jungle that is New York. You
got to get out and find some space to go
do things like that. How do you enjoy living in
New York? I love the Yeah, I love the city.
We would travel there in the off seasons. I kind
of caught the New York city, but I'm never in
the world that I imagine growing up in Texas that live
in New York alone, raised kids in New York. It's
(29:24):
had a lot of benefits for my kids to see
all different cultures and not sports wasn't everything, like because
inherently with my wife working in sports and my background,
like sports is a big deal in our household. So
to have some balance there for them to go to
the met on a weekly basis and the National History
Museum and all these you know, the Broadway shows has
(29:44):
been to the benefit. Now you know, we're the stage.
My oldest is nine. Now they really want to get
into sports, and like, U sports is not that great
in New York City because there's not a lot of infrastructure, right, so,
like there's just not a lot of fields, not a
lot of grass, Yeah, not a lot of grass, and
you know, and not having a backyard with three kids,
it's top dog. And so we're just you know, we're masochists.
We love it torture ourselves and and so we're we're
(30:06):
figuring out, like what does life look like, you know,
in the next couple of years, Like does it make
sense to go back to Texas. It's almost like if
we do, right, if we do leave New York, New
York is such a unique place to live, right, and
everything's at your fingertips. I don't I can't replicate it
anywhere else. I'm like, let's go the option of the spectrum.
Let's go get thirty acres outside of Dallas, and like,
(30:27):
you know, my daughter wants a horse, and like, my
wife send me all these like little mins, your cows
and stuff that what she wants to buy. But like
maybe and then maybe my kids will be somewhere in
the middle between the both ends of the spectrum of
urban and rural and and they'll be you know, hopefully normal.
I love it. I got it. I love it. I
love it. So tell me this. You talked about your daughter.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Could you maybe explain to us why you thought it
was important or why you named your daughter after Bobby Boden.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Oh yeah, so good, good point. So my wife my
wist idea. So everyone thinks it was my idea. Yeah,
we're totally giving you credit that you know it was
my It was my And it was funny because even
Coach Bowden before he passed, like had heard that we
named our daughter about it, and he's like, I've had a
lot of dogs named Bouten and maybe some boys, but
never had a girl named Bowden. So my dad played
for coach Bowden. My dad was the first one to
(31:17):
go to college. Uh, and his family grew up in
rural Georgia, and Coach Bouten gave him the opportunity. Was
a father figure to my my dad, and so you know,
I wouldn't have I wouldn't exist most likely without coach
Ballad and then to go and go play for him.
And was a man that deeply cared much more about
each player other than you know, outside of football, right,
(31:38):
cared deeply about their faith and and nim as men.
And it was father figures to so many guys that
went through that locker room. And and so just as
a nod to the influence that he had on my
life from the very beginning, I thought it was important
to honor him. And I think we try to speak
like life in our own kids by how we name them.
And naming your kid is freaking hard, you know, so
there's a lot of pressure like yeah, right, you got
(32:00):
to get it right. And so you know, so we yes,
it was my wife that brought it up, and so
we did it. We actually we call her Scout, but
her legal name is Balin. We call her Scout from
Particula Mockingbird, the girl in that book. Again another thing
of like, you know, we want her to be like
this this girl, but also coach Bowen.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
So yeah, it's a kid is not easy. You can't
just say that. And now we got to know all
the names and why they were hard.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
So my daughter, my daughter is bound Saint Clair. We
call her scout. My son who's our middle His name
is Robinson True named after Jackie Robinson and David Robinson. Okay,
but we call him True. And were you a Spurs
fan like I was not? My wife knows David and
just a I don't know if you've ever been around
him Austin, dude, heard nothing, Dude. The most of masking
(32:47):
like like was like like his hands like fully he
didn't shake as heart as Adrian, but like fullying golf
my hand. I was like, I'm like a little boy.
You know. It's like and uh and so you know
what what obviously Jackie did for for sports and for
society and what David represents, you know, want to name
our our son Robinson and then our daughter our young stars.
(33:10):
Name is price that comes from a Bible versu. If
you were bought with a price, you're not you know,
you're about with the price. And so that that idea
that you know, again, what is your purpose. Uh, it's
much deeper than than all the things that we collectively
do on a daily BASEI well, you kind of already
set the tone in purpose. When you name them.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
These things and then you tell them these stories, they
will naturally start to fall in.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Lind y'all are killing me in the name game. Your
kids got cool names. They're named after like cities and
places born cities, born cities now all Olympic cities as well.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
So we got London, Sydney, Roman, the second which is
of course Rome, and then Seul also.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Yeah, so we're all over the place too.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
I think I watched an episode of like Keeping Up
with the Kardashians, and I thought it was kind of cool.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
They all started with k's. I was like, well, I
won't do k's. I'm just to tease. So all my
kids names start with tea's. They do. That's how I
came up with that. But yeah, I wish I would
have thought a little bit outside the box. I'm not
taking credit for that, you're kind of putting me in.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
This is awesome that we got Christian to not take credit,
because it's really hard because quarterbacks get a lot of
credit sometimes that sometimes they they just hand.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
The ball off. They gave a lot of credit and.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Then sometimes they get a lot of blame.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
What's not their fault either. So it's just part of it.
But I appreciate you being open about that. You've had
a lot of success on the field off the field
in your transition.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
If you could name four people who had an influential
time in your life to help you get to where
you are right now, who would those four people be
on your mount rush?
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Yeah? Both my parents. I mean, I think they set
the tone barely on. We'll count that as one that
There's one thing it wasn't get to. My wife has
been from the very beginning, I think, you know, holding
me to a really high standard and pushing me and
(35:10):
you know not I think sometimes, especially when you're done playing,
you feel like you earned the right to coast for
a little bit, you know, and my wife's like, nope,
you're getting your butt off the couch and h And
so she's pushed really hard, you know, coached Bowden obviously,
and uh and then Jimbo, you know, so Jimbo came
in as Mom's conad Florida, stayed my second year and
then became the head coach my last year when when
coach Bowden left and I definitely wouldn't have made it
(35:33):
the NFL without him. I think it was funny like
my freshman year, Florida State had a really hard time
thought about transferring. They changed the offensive coaching staff, and
Jimbo came in and felt like I had a fresh
start and and I you know, that first spring practice,
I had a great practice, made a great first impression
on him, and I think ever since then, I think
(35:53):
he saw something in me and just invested in a
lot of his time and energy and me and developing
my career. And so yeah, that would be. That would
be four.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Shout out to Jimbo, who's probably just sitting on the
couch eating really nice you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Talking about that one.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
But Christian Man, thank you man, thank you for blessing
us with your time and coming through talking to us
about your transition. Because the one thing that Peanut and
I talk about all the time, the more and more
we've done this podcast, the more and more we have
learned that, man, it really is a transitional period and.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
None of us know how to get through it.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Like it doesn't come in directions there is no right
or wrong answer, but sitting down and talking about it
and sharing your story and your path only allows it
probably gives you more strength because like man, we are
the only ones and you're just one of another ones
that all have to go through it.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Yeah, for sure, appreciate you on that. Yeah, man, are
you going to get us up out of here? No,
that's your job. Okay, Man, we got the juice. Okay,
because yesterday you kind of had the juice.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
All right, Well here man, First and foremost, thank you
as always Christian coming through man, Peanut, and all of
you guys that out there, whether you're listening or viewing
us wherever you pick up your podcast, whether it's Apple Podcasts,
Alurheart Radio, thank you guys for always give us a
five star rating, give us a review, click that follow button,
give us to leave us a couple of comments. That's
how we get our viewership up. So thank you for
(37:17):
always tuning in. Peanut, give us about of here, man,
telling people where to catch this.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
We'll make sure you got to tell a friend and
tell a friend and tell a bread. Okay, all right,
I'm Peanut, that's Christian, that's my uncle Rome.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Hey man, this is the NFL player. Second X podcast
we a
I'm Christian Ponder and this is the NFL Player's Second
Acts Podcast. What's going on, everybody?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I'm Charles Penut Tillman, and this is the NFL Player's.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Second Acts Podcast. And with me as always, I got
my guy Ruhlman Harbor. You're giving me Miami vice vibes
right now with this outfit. I'm loving it. It's dope,
hey man, appreciate it. Man.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
It's two places you can wear white pants three hundred
and sixty five days.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Of the year.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Miami's number one and Vegas is number two. So boom,
I'm in.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
All right, So we got a good one. NFC North.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
This guy twelfth round pick, excuse me, twelfth pick overall
in a twenty eleven draft.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Florida State, played six years in the.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
League, Broncos forty nine ers and the Vikings. He is
a smart guy, bachelor's degree in finance, got his NBA
all from Florida State. He recently founded the Post, a
private membership network connecting athletes turned business leaders, ladies and gentlemen.
Christian Pond appreciate nice.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
I mean hold on, like you said, like he's a
smart guy, like other guys aren't.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I didn't no, no, no, here's no, no, no, let
me let me let me clay.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
So two and a half years and a half years,
that's that's that's that's, that's it.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah, I love Florida State. But it was also it
wasn't Stanford, so he to have.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Two and a half two and a half was graduating
three and a half. Trust me, I ain't the smartest
tool in the in the in the thing where you
keep on twols and ship. But yeah again I did
mine in three and a half, not two and a half.
And you're traveling playing like that's it's a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I'm smarter than peanuts.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
That's basically saying basically, that's a that's a lot to do.
That's all I'm saying, that's a lot to do.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
First of all, I just tell me this, what was
your first welcome to the NFL moment?
Speaker 1 (02:03):
I think it was actually playing against the Bears and
it was my rookie year and Donovan you know, so
I was the lockout, you right, So got drafted. We
didn't do anything until training camp, and we didn't have
a veteran guy, so like, what was it, I think
less than a week before training game started finally lockout ended.
They greeted CBA and so they immediately signed Donminan mcnam
(02:23):
and Donovan came in. He was a veteran guy, got
to learn from him. And it was six game of
the year. I think we played Chicago and we got smoked,
and so I went in fourth quarter, maybe even late third,
and I just remember I had ran up the middle
and the first tackle I ever had in the NFL,
I got tackled by Bryannerlecker and I was like, oh,
all right, cool on go of Washington, you know. And
(02:47):
and so that was a pretty a pretty cool moment.
And just to get in and play like that was
it was awesome. But was it like a star stort
moment too when you got it? Wasn't. It was kind
of like one of those things like I got hit
and I'm talking back with the huddle and I looked back,
I was like, oh that was they were like her,
you know. So it wasn't like, you know, it's like
once you get out there, like you don't get star
truck anymore. It was just more of like, wow, I
(03:08):
made this moment, you know, like I'm here.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
So, yeah, do you remember playing the Saints, you remember
do you remember going against Chris.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
You guys beat us at home? Yes, I think you
had two sacks, but one of your sacks was appilled.
You got he They always hating on me, dog. Well,
they said you were a dirty player. I agree, that's
what they said. All defensive guys are dirty.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
I'm just glad because I think later on that year
that you guys don't broke.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
That was the year before, so we were supposed to play, y'all.
That was the year before, and they had to move
the game. Yeah, it was not fun.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
It was I had to play outside in Minnesota, like
a University of Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Like yeah, that was yeah. That was when they built
they're building a new stadium, so they tore down the
old stadium and we had to play at University of
Minnesota for two years. And I remember we played the Jets.
I think it was a Jets at home, and it
was you know, a high eleven degrees. And I remember, like,
you know, the offensive line guys right there, all tough.
They don't wear sleeves. I'm like, well, I can't wear
sleeves going out here for warm ups. I couldn't do
(04:11):
the ball because like my arm was numb. I'm like,
you idiot, Like, am I gonna put sleeves on?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah? So that was that was good.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
So that's the thing that people don't realize. So we
were the same when in Chicago. I'm sure they're the
same way in Green Bay. Like it's it's a it's
a mindset, like you just know, we go tough for
that we in the cold. First time I did it,
like you, I froze. I had to put some sleeves on.
And then after that, the defensive cats, the Brian relax.
They would not leave me alone. And then it was
just like all right, I gotta just I got a
(04:40):
man up and just I gotta get used to this.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
I just got to embrace the cold. Did you wor
gloves when you played it? No? No, I didn't. I
tried it. I just I never got the confidence that like,
because it felt different, right yeah, So if you get
comfortable with it and you're confident with it, fine, but
I never did it, and so I would try and
practice and it just yeah, you make one back throw
and it's like all right, I gotta take this off right,
like the he's in your head and you can't couldn't
do it anymore. What do you remember most about that
(05:04):
twenty eleven season with Adrian Peterson and just handing the
ball off and just watching him just create poetry in motion. Yeah,
obviously he was unbelievable and still looks like he can
go play and he I think the first thing he
stood out to me was like in training game and
like walk through, Like the guy's one speed, right, even
in walk through it's like he's ripping your arm off
(05:24):
when you're handing the ball. And yeah, he was. And
obviously seeing highlights. I grew up in Texas and so
seeing his high school highlights, see him go to Oklahoma
and watching his career and then being able to play
with him. He was such a beast, but also one
of the most humble and nice guys to be around.
And just the way that he went about his work
(05:44):
and then see him come back from the acl and
you know, have two thousand yards like he. It was
tremendous to be his teammate and have a front row
seat to watching him play. Now did he ever? Ever?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
So we all know about the handshake, right, Yeah, we
were some other a little bit earlier before you got here.
What did you what was your first, what is your
first thought when you when you sugar sand for the
first time?
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Introduction, introduce yourself. I don't guess it on purpose, Like
just similar, he's like dominance, you know, like it's that
he's the alpha male in this in this relationship. But
it's like dang age. But that's like that was everything,
Like everything was at a whole other level.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
So for for y'all listening and watching, it's common knowledge
in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
It's not even a myth. Everyone knows that.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Everyone's just like, I've never shaken his sand, but I
kind of want to shake a sand.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Because I heard it's it's so strong, he will break
somebody's hand. If you're not ready, you got to be
just don't. It's got to be on purpose, like he's
got it. He's got to know what he's.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Doing right, Like it's yeah, I think he knows that
everybody knows about it too, and so he just keeps
it going. He just won't go.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
It's funny because you talked about how he was in
you know, even doing warm ups like walkthroughs.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I saw him at the Pro Bowl practice.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Uh, when I actually got to play in it, and
I was like, I was watching him practice, and of
course some guy's got.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Flip flops on. Nobody's going on, so chill.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
It's like way down, doubt not him, No, And I'm
looking at him. I'm like, this dude might be the
prettiest running back I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
He looks like a thoroughbred. He said.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
If I played for Minnesota, I give him the ball
forty five times a game.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah, I mean, why not, you know. But what's so
interesting about him is like no knock an agent, But
have you ever seen him like shoot a basketball or
throw football?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
No, Like he's he's a definition of like that's the knock. Yeah,
we can not going him ye keep going like.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
One of the best athletes to ever be in the
running back position, right like they unblue while athlete, but
cannot shoot a basketball and cannot throw a ball just
a football, like just a running back, right, like in
the scope of his athleticism and right right, but like
you know, watch to shoot the basketball and you're like,
you know, like I did not know that. I never
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guess that me, neither are you doing that?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
That reminds me of like like a gymnast, Like a
lot of gymnasts they can only do what they do,
Like you put him in another sport, they're like, yeah,
it's not terrible.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
They run with their arms like the judge, like someone's
athletic ability of like can you throw a ball? Right?
Like the most basic athletic move to me is like, yeah,
everyone can run, but can you throw? I guess not
everyone can run. You talked about it, like, yeah, some
people need to have friends that will tell the truth
that like, you look like an idiot when you run.
But like my assumption is Adrian started playing running back
and pee wee football at a very young age. Realized
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he was really good and that was like his sole
focus for a long time. So probably didn't play basketball
growing up or baseball or whatever.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Basically, he's like small from the same lot. You're killing
me small, Like you're killing me Asian. It's like, come on,
you does he always just run the ball back like
the kid like you know, you tell the kid, the
little kid, like, don't.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Throw it back, Like, don't throw it back like they do.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
It's like can't Like he just always runs all yeah,
it's crazy. I'm like, dude, you played in the league forever,
just never learned how to throw a ball.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
So let's get away from football. We'll pivot and we'll
get into the your second act. So naturally we all retire,
we have to do something, you know, outside of football,
and particularly you, you got in a business. You got
your NBA from Florida State. Let me ask you this,
what really caused you or excuse me, what really inspired
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you to get that NBA and go the direction in
the business field.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Talk about also getting it while in college playing football?
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, graduating undergrad and a half years,
like you know, I was there. I took a rest
of years, so I was at floor tight for five years.
I came with a bunch of AP credits from high school.
So I think I started off pretty much as a
sophomore when I got you know, step foot on campus,
and so you know, I had interested in finance. My
dad was in finance growing up, and and so that's
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what I figured I want to do is like a
generic business screed. Like I knew at some point right
football was gonna be over, and so did that finished
pretty quickly, and thought like, okay, it would be great
to get my MBA. Now I I do wish if
I did it differently, I kind of got my MBA
to check the box of like getting my MBA and
having a master's degree instead of like actually valid because
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they suggest, like, you know, when you go get your MBA,
hopefully you have some working experience and then you go
back and get your MBA. And I think I would
have appreciated it more if I would have done that.
But I got it done, actually finished that, and then
start a second master's in sports administration sports management. I
don't think I'll ever go back and finish that, but yeah,
so I just I knew, right, I didn't know if
I was ever to make the NFL. I didn't know
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how long my football career was going to be. So
I knew it was you know, while I was in school,
I had to take advantage of of free education and
or an earned education, and so that's that was a
focus for me. How far are you along in the
second master's degree. I think I'm about halfway through it,
you know. And I'll be honest, like when I finished
my MBA, I tried to go back into undergrad. I
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try to take the undergrad sports management, just get a
bachelor's degree, because I thought like I earned it to
Coast for the rest of my educational career at Florida State.
And I made a comment in the newspaper over the
summer that said basically that like I earn a MBA.
You know, I'm trying to make this you know, this
last summer in fall of my senior year like just
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solely focused on football. So I'm trying to take it easy.
I sign up for the undergrad sports management degree, and
the the head of the sports administration department, uh read it,
and I got an email and I had to go
meet with them, and they're like, look, you can't take
the undergrad you have to take the masters. And and
(11:34):
so basically like they for they said, you're too you're
overqualified to go back and get your bachelor's. Cree. So
they've made me take the master's program. And then I
swear like all the professors that have been deetted against me,
like you know, like it was like the worst ever
performed in school, Like it was like every grade was terrible.
So yeah, so I you know, I don't again, I
don't know if I ever go back. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
A little bit of advice, guys, Hey, look, if you're
ever out there, don't bridget bridges that don't talk about
you just want to coastal.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
There's a difference between book smarts and street smarts, right,
So like I had the book Smarts, but actually opening
my mouth and saying that was a dumb movie. You
mentioned something Christian I thought was really interesting, which was you.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Wished that you would have had a little bit of
work experience before you got your NBA, so then you
could probably apply some things to each other. I was
one of those that didn't finish school, and I was
in school five years and I was like two credits short,
two classes short. I went back after my second year
in the NFL, and it was so much easier finishing
up my business degree because everything that we had questions
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about I just used like football in his example, and
once you're understanding, like the football is a business at
the highest level, all this normal stuff that we're talking about,
Oh you can do it, and it just applies right over.
I just I want, what do you think about that?
Going back and like that's what you admired to do,
and I actually got to live with this kind.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Of yeah, probably greater appreciation for it, right. I think
when we're playing, it's like, well, football is my sense
of my purpose. That's why I'm here. I'm just going
to class to make sure I'm eligible to play. Right,
And you don't necessarily value and also like right, like
football requires so much of you, and so you are
often time to just check the box and get it
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done so that you can take care of the things
on the field. And so I think going back afterwards,
I think you just have a great appreciation for the
actual learnings that you're experiencing in school, and you know,
mix it. It makes it more enjoyable.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
We'll be back in a minute. So tell me about this,
I mean talking about things that are enjoyable the post. Yeah,
how did you transition into getting into that?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Maybe talk about a little bit.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
How was the transition after leaving football and then going
in this direction.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Yeah, so, I you know, on paper, right, NBA com
under in finance, Like on paper, I thought I had together.
I knew I wanted to go into finance. You know.
My last year in league was sixteen with the Night
and then we moved to New York City in August
down seventeen. Thought, if I've been in finance, why not
move to financial capital? The world started on the wealth
management pathway and just about the days did angel investing
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and got into venture capital, like shorted in in a
small hedge fune on the BIS film in side and
quickly realized that the transition sucked, you know, like it
was hard, and so I kind of started, were you
like feeling empty while you're doing all these things? Yeah,
as a void, right Like I had this void of
like I've been an athlete my whole life, right, It's
a huge part of my identity and how I operating
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this world. And suddenly it was over or felt like
it was over, felt like it now was just reduced
to a past version of myself. And more importantly, and
you guys know this as you talked to some of guys,
like I missed the locker room, right, Like, I've been
part of a team in a locker room again, surrounded
by athletes. Athletes are my people, the people I knowst
in common with and enjoy being around the most. And
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it was the first time in my life where it
was formally removed from that group. And so it was
it was hard. And I think what I also meant
is like I benefited from being around athletes. Right when
you're in a room w everyone's defined by their work
ethic and their grittiness and their competitiveness and their ambition
and drive. You know, it's behavioral psychology, Like we are
influenced by the people who we surround ourselves with. And
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even in a place like New York City, which is
full of hard working, highly ambitious people, I couldn't find
things to fill the void. I joined different clubs and
networks like trying to find this home, this replacement for
the locker room, and I couldn't find it. And so
that that was kind of the seeds on the planned
for this idea of the post, which was really how
do we rebuild the locker room for for athletes? Right?
(15:36):
Like our whole thesis is number one. You know, there's
so many transferable skills that sports develops and athletes, right,
and there's so much compelling data around the outperformance of
athletes in business. People who've played college sports so are
definite of athletes, right, were exclusive to athletes, Our business
leaders are definitition of athletes anyone who played college sports.
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And so people who played college sports the United States
only make up roughly one and a half percent of population.
It's a little over five million people. Oh wow, not
a lot, and yet that one and a half percent
accounts for fifty two percent of women in the C
suite today. Fifteen or last twenty one US presidents were
college athletes, and an outside the number of fortune, five
hundred CEOs are college athletes. And so you know society
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still views athletes, right, is the dumb jock mentality? Right,
like you only went to school because you played football
or sports or whatever. Like your value is really high
when you're on the field, and then it's steeply downhill
when sports is over. And I think we all fight
this uphill battle in this in security around entering new
environments outside of sports and getting into business. And yet
business is no different than sports. Well, I mean, you successful,
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made you a great athlete in sports, makes you an
exceptional business leader in business. And what was interesting? So
I had this idea of like what if we created
a space for athletes? Right, what if I created a home?
I don't have you guys ever been to a SOHO
house before? Yeah? So I was sitting at so outside
joined sohus in New York, as you know, trying to
find something to feel the avoid you search it and yeah,
(17:00):
and I in twenty nineteen, I was sitting there one
day like, hey, this place is beautiful, the Vibe School.
I feel so out of place here, right, these are
not my people? And what if all these people in
here were athletes? And that's where it started. What if
we built a social club for for athletes that felt
like it fell short when we started studying all this
data around how athletes perform in business and how so
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we had to like we'd actionize the community, like we're
performance ore into people. We can't just hang out and
grab a drink together. So we started studying other things
like YPO and EO some and of these professional business
networks that have been around for a really long time.
And and so that's what we did. It was like
part part social club, park professional network. We launched our
profession network back in April. We opened up our first
physical clubouse Space or No to sew House in New
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York back in September. And so it's been work like
foreign members across country, seventy one percent of our members
of VP level and above business. You know, we look
at athletic resume compared with business resume. If your athletic
resume looks like hey, you were innate, your professional athlete.
We think that brings something to the table because we're
trying to build this roster, right, We're trying to build
people that are bringing something to the table that can
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we can leverage each other, we can grow together. Like
how do you recreate this whole ecosystem of team support
where you had teammates that were there to push you
and support you, hold you accountable. You know, coaches that
helped you get better, right, the resources that helped you
get better, and that was all about athletic potential. And
this is all about all these all this business potential
that all athletes possessed. And we have a bunch of C.
Suite level people, like we want to remembers the is
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the global CEO of Great Group of global ad agency,
she was a softball player in college. Or the CEMO
of Daily Harvest, the smoothie company who was a Paul
Vlter Wisconsin. Just it's a really it's a really great group.
But I wanted the locker room, and so we're just
creating the locker room in a whole new way. I think.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
When so I'm a Texas kid, I'm from Central Texas,
and you know, one of my coaches used to always
say Football's game of life. And I don't think you
really understood what that was when you're you know, freshman
and sophomore, junior, senior, couldn't couldn't figure it out. Then
you would give you like a little he would do
you like a little story. You know, football, you know
s game of life. You know it's you know, you
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got to go out there, you gotta do the job.
You lose a game, what happens if you married kids,
you get fired? You can walk on your family. So
you lose a game, you can walk on your family team.
So that was one of the I guess lessons that
I kind of learned from football. What are what are
some of the lessons that from playing sports that you
learned that you can share or that you can apply
to other aspects of your life.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah, I think, I mean there's so many, right, There's
so many skill sets and routines and structures that we
were that we benefited from as athletes that if you
can recreate those things or lean into those things, we
talk about like, I think a lot of us try
to shed that that athlete identity when we're done playing,
because it's like it was only benefit beneficial to my past.
(19:44):
It's not necessarily beneficial to my future. Our idea is like,
hell yeah, it is like, go be an athlete in business,
Go be an athlete in marriage, Go be an athlete
as a parent. Because what does that mean? It means
Number one, it starts with a high level of self awareness. Right,
we were always getting feedback. We're watching a film of ourselves, right,
like getting coached. So you knew number one, what you're
doing well, but number two, more importantly, what weren't you
doing well? What were the areas that I need to
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improve upon? And then you found like the long term
competitiveness that was the motivation that sustained you to like
get better in those specific areas so you could perform
better on the field for yourself and for your teammates.
Combine that with like the target that targeted effort. Right, So,
like it's not enough to just work hard, right, you
have to work hard in the specific areas that you
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need to improve upon and the goals that you need
to set for yourself or for your company, or for
yourself as an athlete. And so you got to chase
out of those things hard and that's what you benefit from.
And I think we kind of inherently know all these
things we don't want to say think about them as athletes,
but like you should be doing all those same things
in every other area of your life, right like in
business as a business leader, what am I communicating well
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enough with my employees? Am I setting the right KPIs
or goals for my company? Is? You know, if I'm
fundraising my pitching well enough, you got to get that feedback.
You've got to run that own self scout how do
I get better in those areas? Identify the opportunities to
get better and that sustained motivation of Like, really, for me,
it comes down to purpose, Like, is what you're chasing
a line with your purpose? Because if it's not aligned
with your purpose, you're gonna have a really hard time.
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Like when it's hard, can you continue to have that
motivation to sustain yourself? And I think all of us
played for something whether we knew it or not in
football that sustained us through the hard times that are inevitable.
And the game of football are sports in general, and
it's no different. It's no different than business. Right business
is sports. It's just maybe not the adrenaline rush that
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we all had, you know, definitely not an adrenaline.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
You said something that was real, like prevalent to me
early on, just a couple of seconds ago. You said,
how like your whole time you're playing football, it's like
it's our whole identity. And then the moment we're done,
we're like, oh, I'm more than a football player, right.
And it's weird because a lot of times when you're
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a player, you're like, dude, I'm more than just a
football player.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
I'm not just this.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
I don't want to be just category categorizes that. Then
when we're done, we're like, I mean, I used to
be like a football player. I still try and lean
on those things. And so you I've read you talked
about and I want you to share these the four
things that athletes should focus on when they're done playing,
and how can they stay focused and continue to grind
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through this whole transition.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah. Well, and even what you said, like that idea
of like more than a football player, more than an athlete,
I think we feel like we need to say that
because we think being an athlete is a liability. It's
a liability for life after great point, And why do
we feel that way it's because outsiders tell us that
we should feel that way. And again, being an athlete,
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and this is what we're trying to build with the
post is like in the core thesis is being an
athlete is a massive competitive advantage to life and life
in business, right, and the data proves that, it proves
that there's this tremendous performance. If you can transfer what
you're dow in sports to other things really well, then
it's a massive commitment. So like, don't shy away from that,
don't don't run away from that, don't apologize for that,
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go like have full confidence in who you are. So
Price Waterhouse Cooper does a surveyor year is called the
CEO Survey, the and Yeah CEO Survey, and so they
sign out a bunch of questions the CEOs across all
different industries and they ask a few questions and one
of the questions a few years ago is what do
you think is the biggest threat to the future of business?
And seventy seven percent of CEO said it's a lack
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of soft skills in the workforce. And they talk about
leadership skills, problem solving skills, creativity skills, and athletes have
a tremendous amount of soft skills, right we all, especially
leadership skills, problem solving skills, and so athletes are specifically
they're already you know, uniquely qualified to perform own business.
But that disparity, that gap between the athletes and our
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athletes is only going to grow. And so our idea
is like, well, let's support them, right, Let's be that
that place where all athletes go to when they're when
they're done. You know, all this members like seventy two
years old, once an athlete, always an athlete, right that
we call it the athlete operating system, all those those
skills that we all have. Again, like you should be
leaning into that and not leading away from that. But
the four things. So when I again like self awareness
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to me was such a crucial role and figure out
the struggle of my transition, right, and and so I
thought about, okay, like why is this hard? And so
number one, we talked about identity, right, like the loss
of my identity as a football player, at least seemingly
it felt like I lost that identity, yes, and and
so for us like no, like, don't don't shed that identity.
Continue to be who you are, continue to identify those
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things that made you a great athlete and transfer them well,
so don't shed that identity. A sense of purpose was
the second one, which is a big one. I grew
up in Texas too, where like football is your purpose, right,
and and so and then going to play big time
you know football Florida State and play in the NFL,
like and I talked about this with school earlier, that
like football was your purpose and everything around that served
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that purpose. Right. I went to school so I could
make the grades, so I could stay on the field
and play and say just stay ou, I worked out,
I treated my body well. It was all because I
wanted to serve my purpose as a football player. That's
a problem, right because football is going to end. So
if your purpose is football, you're screwing yourself over because
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it's going to disappear. So what you have to identify
and it's even to your benefit because I talked about
it before, like your sustained motivation through hard times that
are going to happen in any career, and especially in sports.
Your purpose has to be beyond the game, right, right,
And so if my purpose is hey, buying my mama
house or serving you know, supporting my wife and my kids,
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whatever it is. That purpose doesn't go away when football
is over, so you can just transfer that purpose into
the next thing that you're doing. Right, So you've got
to make sure that that's in line. The other thing
is structured and routines. Right. We're always being told what
to do, where to do it, how to do it,
when to do it, at all times, and suddenly it's over,
and so you have to look back, and I like,
like one of the things I did, I kept all of
my workout books from like Summer Workout gout right, Yeah,
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because I need those structures I have, at least for playbooks,
and so yeah, still got them. So like you have now,
you don't benefit from having an outsider telling you what
to do. You have to take it upon yourself and
be responsib enough to create your own structures and your
own routines. But we thrived in a highly structured environment,
so you have to create a highly structured environment for
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yourself when football is over. And then the last and
probably the most important is the community side. Right, Like
we left the locker room, we lost it and and
so you've got to be able to find a place
that you can plug into and find that community, find
that that brotherhood, that sisterhood, whatever it is, and that's
where we want to come in and serve that purpose
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of like, how do we give the infrastructure for that
community to come together again and not in a again,
not in a Hey, sport is a liability. We need
to hold your hand to find your first job. Like no,
like from a position of empowerment of like, you know,
we're trying to build an NFL roster, the best of
the best that are coming together leveraging each other to
get better, just like we did in sports. We'll be
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right back after a quick break.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I want to switch topics real quick. I want to
talk about some some outdoorsmanship right now.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
So i'm i'm, I'm.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
I mean, you got a great beard. You look outdoorsy.
What what about mine?
Speaker 1 (27:15):
How does my beard look a little too shaped up?
Your's a little gray? So yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Anyway, my Grandpap's used to take me fishing all the time, right.
I loved it as a kid. My dad told me
how to you know, bait, bait the worm and do
all those cool things. I know you're a big fisherman
or you you call some fish. I want to know,
what's the biggest fish you've ever caught?
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Uh, Well, I had uh you know, I did a
lot of like saltwater fishing and when I was at
Florida State, so I've caught sharks and and all that stuff.
The biggest feel like, yeah, I mean I had to
been a shark. I can't put a number on it.
You know, bass like my biggest basket probably like five pounds.
I don't have some record basket I caught. I love
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now what I love. I love fly fishing. That's kind
of difficult. It's a whole skill set. It's one of
these kind of you to be like flick flicking the wrist.
It's kind of one of those things. It's to me,
it's like it's art, right, It's not throwing a big
old spinner bait out there and trying to catch a
bas It's like it's very delicate. You're always doing it
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in beautiful places, right, like your mountains, And to me,
it's it's it's much more like thought rogue, right, So
like it's it's get you got to identify, like are
they are the trout eating up top? Are they down below?
You identify like what they're eating and the size right,
so like now you have to get the color ride,
we get the size right, it's got to float the
right way. And it's almost like it turns into competition,
(28:41):
right because a lot of it is you can see
a fish right and it's like, all right, it's like
one on one, right, like am I gonna beat you?
Or you gonna beat me? Like you know, it's like
and I love it. It's great. Now I have three kids,
I live in Manhattan, so I don't do it a
lot now, but yeah, I love I love fishing. Got
in the fensant hunting when I was in Minnesota, which
was fun, and uh, you know as much as I
(29:01):
can in the urban jungle that is New York. You
got to get out and find some space to go
do things like that. How do you enjoy living in
New York? I love the Yeah, I love the city.
We would travel there in the off seasons. I kind
of caught the New York city, but I'm never in
the world that I imagine growing up in Texas that live
in New York alone, raised kids in New York. It's
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had a lot of benefits for my kids to see
all different cultures and not sports wasn't everything, like because
inherently with my wife working in sports and my background,
like sports is a big deal in our household. So
to have some balance there for them to go to
the met on a weekly basis and the National History
Museum and all these you know, the Broadway shows has
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been to the benefit. Now you know, we're the stage.
My oldest is nine. Now they really want to get
into sports, and like, U sports is not that great
in New York City because there's not a lot of infrastructure, right, so,
like there's just not a lot of fields, not a
lot of grass, Yeah, not a lot of grass, and
you know, and not having a backyard with three kids,
it's top dog. And so we're just you know, we're masochists.
We love it torture ourselves and and so we're we're
(30:06):
figuring out, like what does life look like, you know,
in the next couple of years, Like does it make
sense to go back to Texas. It's almost like if
we do, right, if we do leave New York, New
York is such a unique place to live, right, and
everything's at your fingertips. I don't I can't replicate it
anywhere else. I'm like, let's go the option of the spectrum.
Let's go get thirty acres outside of Dallas, and like,
(30:27):
you know, my daughter wants a horse, and like, my
wife send me all these like little mins, your cows
and stuff that what she wants to buy. But like
maybe and then maybe my kids will be somewhere in
the middle between the both ends of the spectrum of
urban and rural and and they'll be you know, hopefully normal.
I love it. I got it. I love it. I
love it. So tell me this. You talked about your daughter.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Could you maybe explain to us why you thought it
was important or why you named your daughter after Bobby Boden.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Oh yeah, so good, good point. So my wife my
wist idea. So everyone thinks it was my idea. Yeah,
we're totally giving you credit that you know it was
my It was my And it was funny because even
Coach Bowden before he passed, like had heard that we
named our daughter about it, and he's like, I've had a
lot of dogs named Bouten and maybe some boys, but
never had a girl named Bowden. So my dad played
for coach Bowden. My dad was the first one to
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go to college. Uh, and his family grew up in
rural Georgia, and Coach Bouten gave him the opportunity. Was
a father figure to my my dad, and so you know,
I wouldn't have I wouldn't exist most likely without coach
Ballad and then to go and go play for him.
And was a man that deeply cared much more about
each player other than you know, outside of football, right,
(31:38):
cared deeply about their faith and and nim as men.
And it was father figures to so many guys that
went through that locker room. And and so just as
a nod to the influence that he had on my
life from the very beginning, I thought it was important
to honor him. And I think we try to speak
like life in our own kids by how we name them.
And naming your kid is freaking hard, you know, so
there's a lot of pressure like yeah, right, you got
(32:00):
to get it right. And so you know, so we yes,
it was my wife that brought it up, and so
we did it. We actually we call her Scout, but
her legal name is Balin. We call her Scout from
Particula Mockingbird, the girl in that book. Again another thing
of like, you know, we want her to be like
this this girl, but also coach Bowen.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
So yeah, it's a kid is not easy. You can't
just say that. And now we got to know all
the names and why they were hard.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
So my daughter, my daughter is bound Saint Clair. We
call her scout. My son who's our middle His name
is Robinson True named after Jackie Robinson and David Robinson. Okay,
but we call him True. And were you a Spurs
fan like I was not? My wife knows David and
just a I don't know if you've ever been around
him Austin, dude, heard nothing, Dude. The most of masking
(32:47):
like like was like like his hands like fully he
didn't shake as heart as Adrian, but like fullying golf
my hand. I was like, I'm like a little boy.
You know. It's like and uh and so you know
what what obviously Jackie did for for sports and for
society and what David represents, you know, want to name
our our son Robinson and then our daughter our young stars.
(33:10):
Name is price that comes from a Bible versu. If
you were bought with a price, you're not you know,
you're about with the price. And so that that idea
that you know, again, what is your purpose. Uh, it's
much deeper than than all the things that we collectively
do on a daily BASEI well, you kind of already
set the tone in purpose. When you name them.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
These things and then you tell them these stories, they
will naturally start to fall in.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Lind y'all are killing me in the name game. Your
kids got cool names. They're named after like cities and
places born cities, born cities now all Olympic cities as well.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
So we got London, Sydney, Roman, the second which is
of course Rome, and then Seul also.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Yeah, so we're all over the place too.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
I think I watched an episode of like Keeping Up
with the Kardashians, and I thought it was kind of cool.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
They all started with k's. I was like, well, I
won't do k's. I'm just to tease. So all my
kids names start with tea's. They do. That's how I
came up with that. But yeah, I wish I would
have thought a little bit outside the box. I'm not
taking credit for that, you're kind of putting me in.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
This is awesome that we got Christian to not take credit,
because it's really hard because quarterbacks get a lot of
credit sometimes that sometimes they they just hand.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
The ball off. They gave a lot of credit and.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Then sometimes they get a lot of blame.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
What's not their fault either. So it's just part of it.
But I appreciate you being open about that. You've had
a lot of success on the field off the field
in your transition.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
If you could name four people who had an influential
time in your life to help you get to where
you are right now, who would those four people be
on your mount rush?
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Yeah? Both my parents. I mean, I think they set
the tone barely on. We'll count that as one that
There's one thing it wasn't get to. My wife has
been from the very beginning, I think, you know, holding
me to a really high standard and pushing me and
(35:10):
you know not I think sometimes, especially when you're done playing,
you feel like you earned the right to coast for
a little bit, you know, and my wife's like, nope,
you're getting your butt off the couch and h And
so she's pushed really hard, you know, coached Bowden obviously,
and uh and then Jimbo, you know, so Jimbo came
in as Mom's conad Florida, stayed my second year and
then became the head coach my last year when when
coach Bowden left and I definitely wouldn't have made it
(35:33):
the NFL without him. I think it was funny like
my freshman year, Florida State had a really hard time
thought about transferring. They changed the offensive coaching staff, and
Jimbo came in and felt like I had a fresh
start and and I you know, that first spring practice,
I had a great practice, made a great first impression
on him, and I think ever since then, I think
(35:53):
he saw something in me and just invested in a
lot of his time and energy and me and developing
my career. And so yeah, that would be. That would
be four.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Shout out to Jimbo, who's probably just sitting on the
couch eating really nice you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Talking about that one.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
But Christian Man, thank you man, thank you for blessing
us with your time and coming through talking to us
about your transition. Because the one thing that Peanut and
I talk about all the time, the more and more
we've done this podcast, the more and more we have
learned that, man, it really is a transitional period and.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
None of us know how to get through it.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Like it doesn't come in directions there is no right
or wrong answer, but sitting down and talking about it
and sharing your story and your path only allows it
probably gives you more strength because like man, we are
the only ones and you're just one of another ones
that all have to go through it.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Yeah, for sure, appreciate you on that. Yeah, man, are
you going to get us up out of here? No,
that's your job. Okay, Man, we got the juice. Okay,
because yesterday you kind of had the juice.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
All right, Well here man, First and foremost, thank you
as always Christian coming through man, Peanut, and all of
you guys that out there, whether you're listening or viewing
us wherever you pick up your podcast, whether it's Apple Podcasts,
Alurheart Radio, thank you guys for always give us a
five star rating, give us a review, click that follow button,
give us to leave us a couple of comments. That's
how we get our viewership up. So thank you for
(37:17):
always tuning in. Peanut, give us about of here, man,
telling people where to catch this.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
We'll make sure you got to tell a friend and
tell a friend and tell a bread. Okay, all right,
I'm Peanut, that's Christian, that's my uncle Rome.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
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