December 1, 2014 • 30 mins
Former NFL head coaches Brian Billick and Steve Mariucci discuss Week 13 in the NFL discussing Aaron Rodgers vs. Tom Brady, Johnny Manziel’s chances to start and the dominance of J.J. Watt. Plus, Brian and Mooch delve into Sean Payton and Rob Ryan’s relationship and discuss Bruce Arians’ comments on Patrick Peterson’s trash talking.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is NFL dot COM's Coaches Show podcast. Thirty Men
together can't lose. This is why you lift all everybody
cry that nobody And now we're going there's a glean man,
there's a glean Welcome to the Coaches Show on Brian
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Bellick joined by Steve Marucci and Steve we we both
sat there and watched a little bit of that game together.
We're both treated to a heck of a game between
Tom Brady and the New England Patriots and your boy,
Aaron Rodgers and your Green Bay Packers. Yeah, you know what,
and if the thing that that was the first time
that they had up right head to head. I mean
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when you got Peyton Manning and uh and uh tom
Brady meeting seventeen times or something, and so and so
this is another rival. But Aaron Rodgers is different than
Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. They're they're all great, but
the way he plays is different because this this guy.
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Yeah he's smart, Yeah he can he can sing it
with with the best of them. But the thing that
he can do best, yeah, he's got big touchdowns all
over the place. But where he separates himself, Brian, you
know this is when he leaves the pocket, he can
get out of there. Here's where Jodi Narlson beat h
Durrell revs Uh for a touchdown. And Revas was upset
about this because he's a heck of a player. Quite
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a matchup right here. This is Aaron Rodgers Uh at
his best leaving accuracy. The accuracy just blows me away.
It's like a smart bomb. I mean, this guy just
puts it in there. He can throw it off balance,
he can do it from the run, right or left,
it doesn't matter. He's amazing, you know. We and we
both come out of the kind of the Bill Walsh
era and I remember when I was with the forty
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niners administratively and Bill Walsh with Joe Montana early and
I'm watching out of practice and and we had a
little flare pass going on and Joe threw it out
there and hit the guy right here, you know, hit
him right in the chest. I think that's a pretty
good pass. And Bill went off. He goes, Joe, I
want to hit it in the lead glove. I want
it just going away, going forward. You know the rest
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of us are looking around like going you know, that
looks pretty good to me. But Bill was so phobic
about he would have would know he have not just
loved Darreon Rodgers, because wherever you want that ball, but
wherever the ball has to be put the deep throats
are like, I don't know that you could be any
more accurate than if you walked it down the field
stopped it magically. You know many mooch could do this,
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stop stop the action, walk down in hand the guy
the ball where you need it. I don't know if
you could be any more accurate. Stunning to me. I
remember Bill exactly what you're talking about. His little cliche
was one ft in front of the numbers, one foot
in front of the numbers. And I was like, okay,
fine and so um, But yeah, Aaron Rodgers is accurate.
But you know, I went to training camp with them
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to do a little training camp day and I was
watching them. They were doing a blitz period and red
zone and all this different stuff. And when he sets
his feet, he puts it right there. When he throws
off balance, he puts it right there. He's he's so accurate,
and it doesn't matter, you know. Sometimes he's not clinic.
Sometimes he's fallen away and he can still zip it
in their side arm. It's amazing. And then his favorite
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he's got he's got weapons galore. You know, I was
wondering if they were depleting their receiving corps having lost
Greg Jennings and then James Jones and then Jamichael Finley. Well,
then here comes this Jordy Nelson. Kids, that is faster
than everybody gives him credit for the guy from Kansas State.
He has now ten touchdown passes along with Randall Cobb.
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But this is you know, look at this guy. I mean,
he's a good route runner. He's hard to tackle, you know,
and Darrell Reevs matched up with him most of the time.
Here's the Dutch. He only had two catches, but when
he gets it, look how fast he is. He outruns everybody. Brian, Well,
every great quarterback. When we go back, when you say
a quarterback's name, a receiver will come to mind. When
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if you're gonna say Troy Aikman, you're gonna say Michael Irvin. Right,
you say Joe Montana, You're probably gonna say Jerry Rice. Um,
you say Roger star Back, you're gonna say Drew Pearson.
There's usually that one guy, and you're right Aaron Rodgers
has had a bunch of good receivers, but clearly Jordan
Jordy Nelson is going to be that guy that when
you say Aaron Rodgers, you're probably gonna hear you know
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that's what would come back and be Jordy Nelson. But
did you not get the sense watching the game as
I did, as they go down they were owing four
in the red zone as they were having to settle
field goals because we got to give Tom Brady to
do as well. Weren't you thinking, I was, you better
watch out. Oh, this is gonna cost you because this
is Tom Brady and the New England Patriots and you
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settling for three. If they'd had just half of those
red zone getting in the red zones touchdowns, this game
would have been over early. Yet it came down to
the last series because they couldn't convert down the red zone.
I know it. And then I was just wait, I
actually picked the Patriots to win the game. Uh, it
came down to this. I can't believe you did that.
A good Green Bakers Sorry Sterling Sharp whenever do that.
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He's never ever, in all the years of playbook picked
against the Green Bay Packers Is that true even when
they weren't good? Oh wow, yeah, I've been trying to
win the pool, you know not. But anyway, but Tom Brad,
this is the one right here. No, this is not
the one I'm waiting for us to show the one
that Gronk had a chance would the score twenty to
catch it in the end zone for a touchdown and
it was a tough catch, a diving catch, but he
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didn't come up with it. That would have won the
game for the Patriots. It was it was that kind
of a game, and so well Davante Adams dropped the
touchdown past there were missed opportunities for green Bay and that,
oh and four in the red zone. I mean, if
you want to be critical going forward, that's where I thought,
because we talked about this last week, that the advent
at Eddie Lacey really, for me is what makes the
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green Bay Packers the number one seed in the NFC.
I would have thought that would have showed up. I
would have liked to have seen them pound the ball
in a couple of times, or that running presence of
Eddie Lacey show up. And no more so than in
the red zone. Well, yeah, twenty one rushes for Dy
eight yards and he's a big bruiser and James Starks
will relieve him at times, and and I think they
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need a closer, you know, in that And they've been
so good at home, Oh my god. You know, Foxborough
Gillette Stadium is a tough place to play. What are
the forty three and three? Well in Lambeau. It's it's
getting to be like that. And so uh, you've got
to assume you're gonna be leading in bad weather. You've
got to be able to say, I, we're just handing
this ball off, not going to take a chance in
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the passing game at all to stop the clock. So
Eddie Lacey Man, you know, he he's following up his
Rookie of the Year season with another really dominating performance.
And Aaron Rodgers really hasn't had that guy, you know.
In last year he became a guy when Aaron Rodgers
got hurt. While they're continuing it this year. Well, when
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we look at at the Packers and the Patriots, and
you look at who they're playing, the Packers have the Falcons,
the Bills, the Bucks and Alliance. Not exactly a daunting schedule.
It's not a real stretch to say they're gonna win
the NFC and be the number one seat. That, in
my opinion, I think because of that schedule compared to
the Eagles. You know, we know the Cardinals are in
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trouble now. You know, when it's tough, you can play
great defense. When you don't have a quarterback, you don't
have a running game, it's gonna catch up with you.
And the Eagles have. You got the Seahawks, the Cowboys,
so it's gonna be a little tougher path. And I
think the Patriots we could see the same thing. So
everybody says this Super Bowl preview, all right, it's not
in Lambeau, it's in Arizona. Who you picking? I'm gonna
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we'll do this right now. We're at the Super bowment. Yeah,
we're already go on the Super Bowl. Everybody thinks this
could be the Super Bowl rematch. I'd have no reason
to disagree with that. So let's go ahead and fast forward.
I'm only doing that because t D is right in
my ear saying they can pick, make and pick, make
him pick. Okay, so this is a Super Bowl preview,
it's gonna be in Arizona. H boy, it's gonna be
a high scoring affair. Old man winner is not going
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to be invited. And so um, I'm gonna pick Well,
you know, why would I pick the Patriots if the
Packers just beat him? Okay, they both played on the
same day in the same weather, So I'm gonna say
that either quarterback will have a good day in Dome. Uh.
If they match up again, I'll pick the Packers. You know,
is there, Yes, Aaron? When Aaron a couple years ago,
I had a Green Bay game and and they were
headed towards this way, and and uh, and it was
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all about, well, home field, don't you want a home field?
And he goes, let me see, I can play m
Lambeau or and I think the teams were we can
play in San Francisco, we can play the dorm and
in in New Orleans, or playing that weather in Dallas.
That doesn't sound bad to me either. You know, he's
going it's cold up here for me too, So yeah,
I'm with you. I think. I think because certainly the
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weather wasn't a factor last night. It's not like they
had the advantage because of the weather not and certainly
not like Brady doesn't know how to play in cold weather,
because that's kind of the advantage in uh in New
England as well. So I think on a fast turf
in uh UM in Arizona, it'd be hard right now,
assuming both teams stay healthy, that it would be hard
not to go with U with Green Bay, I just
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I'm with you, Aaron Rodgers, and we have some great quarterbacks.
But I don't want to put words in your mouth.
I don't talk to a coach. A coach that when
you really ask him who's the best quarterback, we're talking
Tom Brady and we're talking about Peyton Man and Drew Briefs,
they don't say Aaron Rodgers. It's kind of universal. The
coach will say Aaron Rodgers is the best right now. Yeah,
And you're gonna hear more and more of that as
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time goes on, because he may very well earn another
m v P this season if he keeps playing like
he is. And uh so, let's just see. I I
think they're gonna win out, you know. I Detroit can't
go in the Lambeau and win that game. I don't
think even though the Lions really made the Packers look
bad last time. Um, I think Aaron's gonna be right
there in consideration, maybe with J. J. Watt for the
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m v P. Yeah, I'm gonna go off script here
a little bit. For but for Detroit. It occurs to me.
I'm watching Detroit and obviously a good win for them.
That defense is so good. Forget about running the ball,
you know we are forget it. Let let him throw
it forty five times Matthew Stafford. Now he can't throw
the picks, but you can't run the ball. It's and
gonna get better. Practice draws, screens and check downs to
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your back. Focus your running game on short yardage and
red zone, okay, plus ten. Forget trying to write well,
we're gonna bring more emphasis to it. Doesn't matter. You
can't run worth the length of my arm, Okay, So
let him throw it forty five times with Matthew Stafford.
You can't Putton's okay, you can't throw interceptions like you
did before when you throw at forty five times a game.
If they do that, I think Detroit's gonna be pretty good.
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the street they had at home and going on the
road and being the Pittsburgh Steelers. But a lot has
been made even after a win, of the relationship between
shan On Peyton and Rob Ryan. Let's hear what Shawn
had to say after the game in your relationship, it's
been outstanding. He and I get along and doing great.
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That's me And it's more obvious when it's Rob because
the camera is gonna be on him. Yeah, I get
upset when there's twelve guys on the field. I get
that doesn't mean I'm looking for another defensive coach. Yeah,
a lot has been made of it. And we know
how volatile Rob Ryan can be, and he's like his
twin brother Rex, and obviously Seawan is not a faid
afraid of of asserting his uh, his opinion as well.
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Let's talk a little bit about that relationship. We've been
on both sides of it, as a coordinator when the
head coach is dog cussing you because it didn't go right.
And as a head coach, when you get after that
offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, special teams coach, who who who
did you have that had that kind of volatile relationship.
I'm betting Jim Mora. Oh yeah, because Jim could burrow
up in a minute. Yeah. And we're not talking senior here,
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We're talking doing a heck of a job over there
at you. But Jim's a hothead. But I swear it now, Brian,
we never gotten. We never had an issue on the sidelines,
practice nothing. I mean he was he was very professional,
very reserved and when when he was fired up sometimes
And but you've got to have those kind of guys
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because you see it when they coached the Really I
never I never got into it and the sidelines or
on the practice field with one of my other coaches. Never. Never.
The only time I ever got an argument at this, Brian.
So so remember when you'd lose the a f C
R NFC championship game, you'd go coach the Pro Bowl.
That was the consolation prize, right, So I'm coaching uh
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as the head coach against Bill Kawer and and and
and Steve Young was our quarterback, as he was the
Pro Bowler every year. And so he started the game
and he threw a touchdown. He was playing good and
this and that, so I pulled him. I pulled him
so Marty Morty Wig, he's very good coordinator. Marty's up
in the box. He goes, coach, keep him in the game,
William Man, he's having a good game. I go, no,
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pulling him out. I don't want to get him hurt.
Come on, put him back in. We're arguing about if
Steve Young is gonna go back in the game in
the Pro Bowl or not. And that was my only
argument I ever had, I think with a coach during
the game. And I was kind of upset about the
whole thing because you know, I was like, what just
fight down? Was playing somebody else here? And so but
I've never I got yelled at by Mike Holmgren. When
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I was a quarterback a lot coaching Farve, He'd yell
at me all the time. I don't know why he
didn't yell at Farve. I always thought that that Um
and I just did a thing, that they're gonna be
special on Bill Walsh A Football Life the week of
the Super Bowl. It's awesome, you know, and and it's
and and so Bill uh And of course I wrote
the book with Bill, so and I was telling how Bill,
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Bill was a master at and I can see. I
don't know, I never worked with my call room, but
I get a sense that Bill would never go after
the players. He'd go after the coach. We had Billy Matthews,
a running back coach, long time in the league, and
he'd go after Billy. And obviously Rothman had done something wrong,
and he'd go over Billy. Billy, can you get him?
Do you do you have a drill? Is there some
way you can help this player here? Because he's not
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punching with the left hand. Can you do that? Are
you cap? I mean he would have taken the coach
and the players knew, or the coaches knew. Okay, I
understand how we're doing it, but that still doesn't mean
didn't piss him off, you know, going off the field. Well,
Mike learned from him, right, he read in your book
with Bill, and so he so when he went to
Green Bay and I was with him, we all were Yeah,
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he would yell at us. I mean he would yell,
did you guys ever have meetings? I mean he would
just go off. He probably has a bunch of quotes
from Bill that he used, you know, h every now
and then. But we heard him all, believe me. And
I can imagine with Sean and Rob and we know
how and I when sitting with Seawan and talking about it,
He's specifically hired Rob Ryan because he felt like he
needed more of a personality and more passionate for his defense.
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Obviously when Steve Spagnola was in there and they were terrible.
Now was when Sean was gone. He hired Steve Spagnola
run the defense than Sean because of bounty Gate had
to leave. They were terrible that here, and then he
came back and decided we both know that Steve Specknoll
is a very good coach, but he's a little more subdued,
a little more analytical in the way he approaches the game. Well, Robs,
you know, spit and slobber and he's like Buddy and
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Rex and that type of thing. And so he sought
out Rob Ryan for that very thing. And so I
imagine that's their relationship. Yeah, I remember, Yeah, they're going
back and forth, and as long as as long as
the players understand that and understand that it's not panic,
you can wolf back at each other a little bit
and and look at there, he's going, Hey, why is there?
Why did you let him convert on third down? Well, coach,
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that wasn't our design. You know. Why did you let
Drew Brees throw an interception? I want to hear that
one come back from Rob Well, why did he throw
it intercept? Yeah? That then then you'd see them go
round a little bit. Can you imagine if they didn't
lost this game though, Oh my god, we'll be talking
about this oh yeah segment, not just once here and there,
and it would be the same And it's the same thing.
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So people, I've always said, sometimes people it's hard for
them that are outside of that environment, have never been
in it. It's hard to understand how that dynamic can be.
And that's just another day at the office. It's Hey,
at the end of the day, we'll have him beer
and I love you and you love me, but don't
ever do that again. Um, all right, we got to
talk about the big decision by Mike Petton going forward.
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He has yet to make the decision. He pulls Brian
Hoyer and he decides to go with Johnny Manziel, who,
in typical backup fashion, comes and goes like the field
of scores. Uh now does a seven and five Cleveland
Brown team? Would you pull Hoyer and put Manzell in? MM?
I don't know. I this is the topic de jour
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this week right now? You know what Mike petton I
he painted himself in a corner because again he said,
we will let you know on Wednesday. I don't know
why he said that. He you know, he's got to
get a little bit more. And I think he's doing
a great job. Believe me, He's got to learn a
little bit more from Bill Belichick. I'll let you know
when we decide, you know what I mean. You know,
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l just stay tuned, or just lie and say I
changed my mind, say I don't know, I'm none of
your business or whatever. But now now they're gonna be
waiting to see who starts the first huddle in practice,
they're gonna be waiting for Hey, you said you're gonna
know him name a guy by Wednesday. You know, maybe
maybe he lets him compete this week. Maybe he has
a Manzel package. Maybe he splits reps not only in
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practice but in the game. I don't know, but I'm
gonna call you out here, man, what do you mean compete?
How do you compete in practice? And if you're if
you're letting them compete this late in the season, aren't
you saying, Brian Horrier, you're done? Because let me let's
go back, because I'm gonna discribe. I would go with Manzell,
and I've been on record. I don't like Manzel. I
think he's a punk. I don't like to you know,
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he scored, he scores a touchdown in a game they're
losing and gives you the no thanks. That to me,
that's a loser. But so you'd start him though, I
would from the general standpoint, we know Brian Hoy, Brian
Hoyer is Drew Stanton is Josh mcnun. He's a backup.
He's fifty completion, He's got eleven touchdowns to ten interceptions.
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They're like, not lucky. I I give him credit for
being where they are. They took Johnny Manziel with twenty
second pick. What how many times have you heard stay
with your board, stay with your evaluation. They thought Manzel
was good enough to take with the twenty second pick. Okay,
I disagree with it, but I'm talking about if we
think he was good enough to be the twenty second pick.
The guy we've got in there is pedestrian at best.
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I'll give it that. We're seven and five. We're gonna
go to the super Bowl with Brian Hoyer at quarterback.
We're gonna go far in the play don't we need
to find out about Johnny Manziel. And even if I
stay with Hoyer and we limp around and get to
ten and six and we make it in the playoffs,
and then we lose in the first round. Now where
am I? Because Brian Horry and my guy going forward, well,
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you're a heck of a lot better than you were
the last twelve years. I don't get it. But that's
not Brian. That's not Brian. Hoyer is doing well. He's
been the quarterback under center that's helped drive them to
this winning record. Right now, now's his last hundred forty
six passes. He's got one touchdown in six interceptions, and
you know, six and so it's not burn pretty at all.
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And I get that, and it's very rare, rare that
that a first round draft choice will sit behind a
pedestrian quarterback if you're gonna sit sitting behind Bred five
or sit behind somebody that's a pro bowler, but that
this is not the case. The other, the other part
of the equation, Brian is they're trying to learn about
both guys. And I think Brian Hoyer played better than
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expected in terms of the winning the winning record. His
contract is up as well at the end of the season,
so they need to decide do they pay him anything
at all or keep them or let them go elsewhere
and put all their eggs on this one basket who
you don't really like and and so, and then on
the other hand, they still have to find out if
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or at least try to start developing Manzel. Is he
the guy that we thought he was? And that's my point.
I don't we're gonna see anymore over Brian Hoyer of
the next five weeks that we haven't already seen. He's
gonna get the season He's going he's gonna have eight
teen touchdowns and sixteen interceptions, maybe, you know. So that's
why I said, you know, it's it's not it's not
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a good deal for Brian Hoyer right now, because you
know they're not in first place in that division. They're
still alive, very much alive, but you know he's helped
them get to the point where questions, no question about.
It's a little bit like Kurt Warner when he was
with the Giants. They had him and they had a
chance to make the playoffs, yet they pulled him and
went with Eli and let him go through those growing pains,
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feeling that he was going to be the guy in
the future. So if they stay with Hoyer, they go
and they play the Colts, they get blown out by
the Coats Colts, and now they're seven and six, do
you make the change now? And Howyer plays just okay, throws.
I don't care who plays. They're going to get beat
by the Colts, right So, so so now you're seven
and six, do you now do you make the change
to Manzel? And Hawyer has been ok he throws one touchdown,
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two interceptions. That's that's what I said earlier in the
season in September, I said, you play Manzel when you're
kind of out of the playoffs, you know, and they
won't be mathematically out, but when you when it's kind
of hopeless. Then you say, all right, let's see what
we got in this young kid. We know what we
have in Brian. Hey, not my problem, but you know what,
But you know what, but what would be wrong? What
would be wrong with playing both guys? I'm okay at
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that point right now. Yeah, I'm okay with that. But
in essence, you're basically saying we don't think Hoyer is
good enough. You're saying you we don't know, We don't know.
I need to find out about Manzel and go ahead
and throw him in even though I don't think I
don't like him. Um, what I tell you what they
should do. They should trade for J. J. Watt and
put him at a quarterback because he'll he'll produce a
whole lot more than either one of those guys. Let's
talk about J. J. Watt. Oh yeah, let's because that
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guy's are not just a beast, but he is a
freak of nature of athleticism. I'm waiting for him to
throw a touchdown pack. I know they need to do that,
don't they. We had the cameras, you know, on him
warming up, screwing around during the pregame. He can sling it. Now,
this guy he probably can kick field goals in punt
if you ask them to. He's like big Jim Thorpe.
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I mean, this guy can do everything. You know. It's
interesting you would bring that up because I did a
Houston Texans game and I remember talking to J. J.
Watt before the guy. I had just forgotten about that.
I'm old, so when you prodd me like this, things
come back. But and he talked about wanting to play
tight end because he thought he could do it. And
I remember watching he has huge hands and he's throwing
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that thing around like a nerf ball. It's that would
be something. Is he? Uh? Okay? Because it's a big
debate right now. Uh can he be the m v
P on a team that now you know, ends up
five hundred go to the playoffs compared to these quarterbacks
A Paul Horny won the Heisman Trophy and didn't have
a winning season over there anyway. Um, so you know
he's going to be the defensive n B right right?
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Or that's that's like that's easy. But m v P
of the league. Maybe, I hope he gets every consideration
because what he's doing is special. It's never been done before,
really except sixty five years ago or whatever that is.
And there's more. I mean, he's gonna keep doing more
there he's trying to hold it up and dance like
d On. That was not very good. Were you were
you in Green Bay when Reggie was up there? Yeah?
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Tell me? Is that a fair comparison terms of guy
that moves up and down the line and can impact
the game. Yeah, but Reggie never used Reggie. Yeah, Reggie.
I can't imagine anybody ever being better at defensive end
than Reggie White. I'm just telling you. And then when
he spoke, it was like E. F. Hutton, you would
loosen everybody the guy was. I love Reggie White and
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miss him dearly. Um, but we never used Reggie White
on offense to run be a wide receiver and a
tight end in a fullback in motion. You wouldn't do
that with Reggie. He wasn't that kind of an athlete.
He probably could catch and all that. But just in
terms of defense, uh yeah, And I say just because
because they moved Reggie around a little bit, you had
him outside, you had him inside, but clearly outside I'm sure.
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But but with modern day football, you know there's Julius Peppers, guy,
what an athlete he is. He played basketball over there.
He plays defense, He intercepts passes. You know, he rushed
as a pastor all that. But they also use him
on offense. They put him out there as a receiver
and throw a fade and you know, some of those
sort of things with Julius peppers Um, you know, and
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and so he's got the size and athleticism a little
bit like j j Um. They just in his career,
he hasn't been looking at this one. Yeah, this is
against the Eagles. You know what I like about this one.
I hope keep running it because he does a Lambeau
leap without using terrible He just he just jumped, well
he kind of hit it jump. He was a little short.
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That's a high wall man. He didn't stick the landing
at all. That was a tough one. Yeah, he in
terms of sheer athlete, it's great fun that It's too
bad that it's on a team that you know, Houston's
kind of hanging around. It's still I don't know in
that a f C is certainly with now the a
f C North, everybody short of Cincinnati falling apart, not
falling apart, but losing because the Ravens has a tough loss,
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last second loss to San Diego Pittsburgh, and I've given
up on Pittsburgh. I'm done with Pittsburgh. I thought there,
but the way they're playing now and depressant, I know,
I know they're up and down. And then obviously Cleveland
we already talked about. But both for Houston, UH and
in Miami, this is a big game tonight. Now Miami's
got a chance now to all of a sudden reassert you.
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We all thought and I was the same way that
even before this is the Brillians, before the pregame show,
I'm making the grand it's too too wild card teams.
May You're gonna be af C North teams because Sincinni's
gonna win. They get the headed with Bald It's gonna
be Baltimore and Pittsburgh and then they all go out Sagan.
So my Miami and Miami and Miami and Houston, Kirk,
I don't know that they will, but because the Miami
tends to fade, and I think they'll lose tonight quite frankly,
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because this is about time they normally choke. Let's talk
about everybody's talking about the Arizona Cardinals, and we've talked
about the offensive side just how non existent they are,
and this is gonna catch up with them. I think
Seattle will overtake them. We could see Arizona actually follo
out the playoffs as as as as terrible as that sounds.
But let's talk about Patrick Peterson all week long was
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calling out Julio Jones and then got schooled by Julio
Owns and Bruce Arians kind of took him to task. Ford.
Let's talk a little bit about that. When you've got
a player that's john out during the week and when
none of us coaches like that. It's kind of the
way it is in the NFL right now. But let's
talk a little bit about what Bruce Arians did calling
out Patrick Peterson his best player, saying, Okay, you open
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your mouth, you gotta you gotta follow up. And that
all surprised me a little bit because Patrick Peterson not
only is that a great player, he's a heck of
a guy. He's really great. Now, this this this competition
started in college and and and so there was a
great rivalry as far as Julio was a Georgia and
Patrick was at l s U. Yeah, and so so
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this goes way back, and he's just trying to show confidence.
Uh and and he's I don't know if he feels
he's a spokesperson of that defense or whatever. But Julio
Jones had a career day with ten catches on her
eighty nine yards and had his way and and and
I I was surprised because Patrick, I think Patrick Peterson
was surprised about the whole thing. They gave about five
hundred yards with that that defense against the NNA Falcons.
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I mean, I mean that was a shocker. Now and
the and the Twitter versus exploding because I said, George
and I met Alabama on Julio Jones. And I was
usually called Julio Cruz because I played. I was in
high school with Julio Cruz. You know, the second baseman
for the Mariners. Yep, that's athlete I've ever. But you
don't you know what the second he was led the
all time steal leading whatever. But you're right, and and
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and it was un characteristic of Patrick Peterson because he
is such a classy guy. But I thought it was
significance that Bruce kind of said, hey, we're not we
don't want to do that. You know you mentioned you
kind of cringe with when somebody makes a prediction or
a guarantee or starts trash talking with the media before
the game starts, because it's a it could be a firestorm,
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and especially when you lose and you don't back it up,
you don't even like it when you when you back
it up. I mean I I I'm trying to think
of the guy. All the guys that I've been around,
I don't really remember many guys trash talking the opponent
before the games. I remember t O t talking me
and you so before the game, and maybe some of
his other teammates who coaches, but but you know, so
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that's that. Look at him, whether he was with the
Eagles or was the Niners or whatever, he was always
happening about something, you know, and then he usually backed
it up, usually backed well. And like you said, even
if they back it up, I would always go to
the player at some point, go what do you what
are you accomplishing here? What do you want? Let me
help you here? I want to help you. What is
it you're trying to get done? I was worried about
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forget the after effects on whatever. Look at that he
not listened to you right here is between us. George
Stewart is gonna keep staying right and just and I'm
telling Jeff, don't talk to this guy. He's not gonna
listen to you this game. We won this game on
a sluggo in the last play of the game. Remember
that to TiO and he had no catches at halftime.
He went to Zurko. Well, he had eight catches in
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the second half. He won the game for us, and
it was like one of those deals. So I bet
you you were trash talker in college, aren't you? Would you?
Little you? I can see you being a bit of
a smart asset, you know, and just kind of chipping.
If we'd had Twitter at our age, well that would
have been lethal. Yeah, yeah, like you would have been.
I've been out of it. Yeah, that had gotten realm
me a long time ago. Well, thanks for checking out
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the Week thirteen Coaches Show. Make sure to check us
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This is NFL dot COM's Coaches Show podcast. Thirty Men
together can't lose. This is why you lift all everybody
cry that nobody And now we're going there's a glean man,
there's a glean Welcome to the Coaches Show on Brian
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Bellick joined by Steve Marucci and Steve we we both
sat there and watched a little bit of that game together.
We're both treated to a heck of a game between
Tom Brady and the New England Patriots and your boy,
Aaron Rodgers and your Green Bay Packers. Yeah, you know what,
and if the thing that that was the first time
that they had up right head to head. I mean
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when you got Peyton Manning and uh and uh tom
Brady meeting seventeen times or something, and so and so
this is another rival. But Aaron Rodgers is different than
Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. They're they're all great, but
the way he plays is different because this this guy.
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Yeah he's smart, Yeah he can he can sing it
with with the best of them. But the thing that
he can do best, yeah, he's got big touchdowns all
over the place. But where he separates himself, Brian, you
know this is when he leaves the pocket, he can
get out of there. Here's where Jodi Narlson beat h
Durrell revs Uh for a touchdown. And Revas was upset
about this because he's a heck of a player. Quite
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a matchup right here. This is Aaron Rodgers Uh at
his best leaving accuracy. The accuracy just blows me away.
It's like a smart bomb. I mean, this guy just
puts it in there. He can throw it off balance,
he can do it from the run, right or left,
it doesn't matter. He's amazing, you know. We and we
both come out of the kind of the Bill Walsh
era and I remember when I was with the forty
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niners administratively and Bill Walsh with Joe Montana early and
I'm watching out of practice and and we had a
little flare pass going on and Joe threw it out
there and hit the guy right here, you know, hit
him right in the chest. I think that's a pretty
good pass. And Bill went off. He goes, Joe, I
want to hit it in the lead glove. I want
it just going away, going forward. You know the rest
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of us are looking around like going you know, that
looks pretty good to me. But Bill was so phobic
about he would have would know he have not just
loved Darreon Rodgers, because wherever you want that ball, but
wherever the ball has to be put the deep throats
are like, I don't know that you could be any
more accurate than if you walked it down the field
stopped it magically. You know many mooch could do this,
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stop stop the action, walk down in hand the guy
the ball where you need it. I don't know if
you could be any more accurate. Stunning to me. I
remember Bill exactly what you're talking about. His little cliche
was one ft in front of the numbers, one foot
in front of the numbers. And I was like, okay,
fine and so um, But yeah, Aaron Rodgers is accurate.
But you know, I went to training camp with them
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to do a little training camp day and I was
watching them. They were doing a blitz period and red
zone and all this different stuff. And when he sets
his feet, he puts it right there. When he throws
off balance, he puts it right there. He's he's so accurate,
and it doesn't matter, you know. Sometimes he's not clinic.
Sometimes he's fallen away and he can still zip it
in their side arm. It's amazing. And then his favorite
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he's got he's got weapons galore. You know, I was
wondering if they were depleting their receiving corps having lost
Greg Jennings and then James Jones and then Jamichael Finley. Well,
then here comes this Jordy Nelson. Kids, that is faster
than everybody gives him credit for the guy from Kansas State.
He has now ten touchdown passes along with Randall Cobb.
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But this is you know, look at this guy. I mean,
he's a good route runner. He's hard to tackle, you know,
and Darrell Reevs matched up with him most of the time.
Here's the Dutch. He only had two catches, but when
he gets it, look how fast he is. He outruns everybody. Brian, Well,
every great quarterback. When we go back, when you say
a quarterback's name, a receiver will come to mind. When
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if you're gonna say Troy Aikman, you're gonna say Michael Irvin. Right,
you say Joe Montana, You're probably gonna say Jerry Rice. Um,
you say Roger star Back, you're gonna say Drew Pearson.
There's usually that one guy, and you're right Aaron Rodgers
has had a bunch of good receivers, but clearly Jordan
Jordy Nelson is going to be that guy that when
you say Aaron Rodgers, you're probably gonna hear you know
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that's what would come back and be Jordy Nelson. But
did you not get the sense watching the game as
I did, as they go down they were owing four
in the red zone as they were having to settle
field goals because we got to give Tom Brady to
do as well. Weren't you thinking, I was, you better
watch out. Oh, this is gonna cost you because this
is Tom Brady and the New England Patriots and you
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settling for three. If they'd had just half of those
red zone getting in the red zones touchdowns, this game
would have been over early. Yet it came down to
the last series because they couldn't convert down the red zone.
I know it. And then I was just wait, I
actually picked the Patriots to win the game. Uh, it
came down to this. I can't believe you did that.
A good Green Bakers Sorry Sterling Sharp whenever do that.
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He's never ever, in all the years of playbook picked
against the Green Bay Packers Is that true even when
they weren't good? Oh wow, yeah, I've been trying to
win the pool, you know not. But anyway, but Tom Brad,
this is the one right here. No, this is not
the one I'm waiting for us to show the one
that Gronk had a chance would the score twenty to
catch it in the end zone for a touchdown and
it was a tough catch, a diving catch, but he
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didn't come up with it. That would have won the
game for the Patriots. It was it was that kind
of a game, and so well Davante Adams dropped the
touchdown past there were missed opportunities for green Bay and that,
oh and four in the red zone. I mean, if
you want to be critical going forward, that's where I thought,
because we talked about this last week, that the advent
at Eddie Lacey really, for me is what makes the
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green Bay Packers the number one seed in the NFC.
I would have thought that would have showed up. I
would have liked to have seen them pound the ball
in a couple of times, or that running presence of
Eddie Lacey show up. And no more so than in
the red zone. Well, yeah, twenty one rushes for Dy
eight yards and he's a big bruiser and James Starks
will relieve him at times, and and I think they
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need a closer, you know, in that And they've been
so good at home, Oh my god. You know, Foxborough
Gillette Stadium is a tough place to play. What are
the forty three and three? Well in Lambeau. It's it's
getting to be like that. And so uh, you've got
to assume you're gonna be leading in bad weather. You've
got to be able to say, I, we're just handing
this ball off, not going to take a chance in
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the passing game at all to stop the clock. So
Eddie Lacey Man, you know, he he's following up his
Rookie of the Year season with another really dominating performance.
And Aaron Rodgers really hasn't had that guy, you know.
In last year he became a guy when Aaron Rodgers
got hurt. While they're continuing it this year. Well, when
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we look at at the Packers and the Patriots, and
you look at who they're playing, the Packers have the Falcons,
the Bills, the Bucks and Alliance. Not exactly a daunting schedule.
It's not a real stretch to say they're gonna win
the NFC and be the number one seat. That, in
my opinion, I think because of that schedule compared to
the Eagles. You know, we know the Cardinals are in
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trouble now. You know, when it's tough, you can play
great defense. When you don't have a quarterback, you don't
have a running game, it's gonna catch up with you.
And the Eagles have. You got the Seahawks, the Cowboys,
so it's gonna be a little tougher path. And I
think the Patriots we could see the same thing. So
everybody says this Super Bowl preview, all right, it's not
in Lambeau, it's in Arizona. Who you picking? I'm gonna
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we'll do this right now. We're at the Super bowment. Yeah,
we're already go on the Super Bowl. Everybody thinks this
could be the Super Bowl rematch. I'd have no reason
to disagree with that. So let's go ahead and fast forward.
I'm only doing that because t D is right in
my ear saying they can pick, make and pick, make
him pick. Okay, so this is a Super Bowl preview,
it's gonna be in Arizona. H boy, it's gonna be
a high scoring affair. Old man winner is not going
(07:55):
to be invited. And so um, I'm gonna pick Well,
you know, why would I pick the Patriots if the
Packers just beat him? Okay, they both played on the
same day in the same weather, So I'm gonna say
that either quarterback will have a good day in Dome. Uh.
If they match up again, I'll pick the Packers. You know,
is there, Yes, Aaron? When Aaron a couple years ago,
I had a Green Bay game and and they were
headed towards this way, and and uh, and it was
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all about, well, home field, don't you want a home field?
And he goes, let me see, I can play m
Lambeau or and I think the teams were we can
play in San Francisco, we can play the dorm and
in in New Orleans, or playing that weather in Dallas.
That doesn't sound bad to me either. You know, he's
going it's cold up here for me too, So yeah,
I'm with you. I think. I think because certainly the
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weather wasn't a factor last night. It's not like they
had the advantage because of the weather not and certainly
not like Brady doesn't know how to play in cold weather,
because that's kind of the advantage in uh in New
England as well. So I think on a fast turf
in uh UM in Arizona, it'd be hard right now,
assuming both teams stay healthy, that it would be hard
not to go with U with Green Bay, I just
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I'm with you, Aaron Rodgers, and we have some great quarterbacks.
But I don't want to put words in your mouth.
I don't talk to a coach. A coach that when
you really ask him who's the best quarterback, we're talking
Tom Brady and we're talking about Peyton Man and Drew Briefs,
they don't say Aaron Rodgers. It's kind of universal. The
coach will say Aaron Rodgers is the best right now. Yeah,
And you're gonna hear more and more of that as
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time goes on, because he may very well earn another
m v P this season if he keeps playing like
he is. And uh so, let's just see. I I
think they're gonna win out, you know. I Detroit can't
go in the Lambeau and win that game. I don't
think even though the Lions really made the Packers look
bad last time. Um, I think Aaron's gonna be right
there in consideration, maybe with J. J. Watt for the
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m v P. Yeah, I'm gonna go off script here
a little bit. For but for Detroit. It occurs to me.
I'm watching Detroit and obviously a good win for them.
That defense is so good. Forget about running the ball,
you know we are forget it. Let let him throw
it forty five times Matthew Stafford. Now he can't throw
the picks, but you can't run the ball. It's and
gonna get better. Practice draws, screens and check downs to
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your back. Focus your running game on short yardage and
red zone, okay, plus ten. Forget trying to write well,
we're gonna bring more emphasis to it. Doesn't matter. You
can't run worth the length of my arm, Okay, So
let him throw it forty five times with Matthew Stafford.
You can't Putton's okay, you can't throw interceptions like you
did before when you throw at forty five times a game.
If they do that, I think Detroit's gonna be pretty good.
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had a huge win from my money, obviously coming off
the street they had at home and going on the
road and being the Pittsburgh Steelers. But a lot has
been made even after a win, of the relationship between
shan On Peyton and Rob Ryan. Let's hear what Shawn
had to say after the game in your relationship, it's
been outstanding. He and I get along and doing great.
(12:10):
That's me And it's more obvious when it's Rob because
the camera is gonna be on him. Yeah, I get
upset when there's twelve guys on the field. I get
that doesn't mean I'm looking for another defensive coach. Yeah,
a lot has been made of it. And we know
how volatile Rob Ryan can be, and he's like his
twin brother Rex, and obviously Seawan is not a faid
afraid of of asserting his uh, his opinion as well.
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Let's talk a little bit about that relationship. We've been
on both sides of it, as a coordinator when the
head coach is dog cussing you because it didn't go right.
And as a head coach, when you get after that
offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, special teams coach, who who who
did you have that had that kind of volatile relationship.
I'm betting Jim Mora. Oh yeah, because Jim could burrow
up in a minute. Yeah. And we're not talking senior here,
(12:55):
We're talking doing a heck of a job over there
at you. But Jim's a hothead. But I swear it now, Brian,
we never gotten. We never had an issue on the sidelines,
practice nothing. I mean he was he was very professional,
very reserved and when when he was fired up sometimes
And but you've got to have those kind of guys
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because you see it when they coached the Really I
never I never got into it and the sidelines or
on the practice field with one of my other coaches. Never. Never.
The only time I ever got an argument at this, Brian.
So so remember when you'd lose the a f C
R NFC championship game, you'd go coach the Pro Bowl.
That was the consolation prize, right, So I'm coaching uh
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as the head coach against Bill Kawer and and and
and Steve Young was our quarterback, as he was the
Pro Bowler every year. And so he started the game
and he threw a touchdown. He was playing good and
this and that, so I pulled him. I pulled him
so Marty Morty Wig, he's very good coordinator. Marty's up
in the box. He goes, coach, keep him in the game,
William Man, he's having a good game. I go, no,
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pulling him out. I don't want to get him hurt.
Come on, put him back in. We're arguing about if
Steve Young is gonna go back in the game in
the Pro Bowl or not. And that was my only
argument I ever had, I think with a coach during
the game. And I was kind of upset about the
whole thing because you know, I was like, what just
fight down? Was playing somebody else here? And so but
I've never I got yelled at by Mike Holmgren. When
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I was a quarterback a lot coaching Farve, He'd yell
at me all the time. I don't know why he
didn't yell at Farve. I always thought that that Um
and I just did a thing, that they're gonna be
special on Bill Walsh A Football Life the week of
the Super Bowl. It's awesome, you know, and and it's
and and so Bill uh And of course I wrote
the book with Bill, so and I was telling how Bill,
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Bill was a master at and I can see. I
don't know, I never worked with my call room, but
I get a sense that Bill would never go after
the players. He'd go after the coach. We had Billy Matthews,
a running back coach, long time in the league, and
he'd go after Billy. And obviously Rothman had done something wrong,
and he'd go over Billy. Billy, can you get him?
Do you do you have a drill? Is there some
way you can help this player here? Because he's not
(15:06):
punching with the left hand. Can you do that? Are
you cap? I mean he would have taken the coach
and the players knew, or the coaches knew. Okay, I
understand how we're doing it, but that still doesn't mean
didn't piss him off, you know, going off the field. Well,
Mike learned from him, right, he read in your book
with Bill, and so he so when he went to
Green Bay and I was with him, we all were Yeah,
(15:26):
he would yell at us. I mean he would yell,
did you guys ever have meetings? I mean he would
just go off. He probably has a bunch of quotes
from Bill that he used, you know, h every now
and then. But we heard him all, believe me. And
I can imagine with Sean and Rob and we know
how and I when sitting with Seawan and talking about it,
He's specifically hired Rob Ryan because he felt like he
needed more of a personality and more passionate for his defense.
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Obviously when Steve Spagnola was in there and they were terrible.
Now was when Sean was gone. He hired Steve Spagnola
run the defense than Sean because of bounty Gate had
to leave. They were terrible that here, and then he
came back and decided we both know that Steve Specknoll
is a very good coach, but he's a little more subdued,
a little more analytical in the way he approaches the game. Well, Robs,
you know, spit and slobber and he's like Buddy and
(16:10):
Rex and that type of thing. And so he sought
out Rob Ryan for that very thing. And so I
imagine that's their relationship. Yeah, I remember, Yeah, they're going
back and forth, and as long as as long as
the players understand that and understand that it's not panic,
you can wolf back at each other a little bit
and and look at there, he's going, Hey, why is there?
Why did you let him convert on third down? Well, coach,
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that wasn't our design. You know. Why did you let
Drew Brees throw an interception? I want to hear that
one come back from Rob Well, why did he throw
it intercept? Yeah? That then then you'd see them go
round a little bit. Can you imagine if they didn't
lost this game though, Oh my god, we'll be talking
about this oh yeah segment, not just once here and there,
and it would be the same And it's the same thing.
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So people, I've always said, sometimes people it's hard for
them that are outside of that environment, have never been
in it. It's hard to understand how that dynamic can be.
And that's just another day at the office. It's Hey,
at the end of the day, we'll have him beer
and I love you and you love me, but don't
ever do that again. Um, all right, we got to
talk about the big decision by Mike Petton going forward.
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He has yet to make the decision. He pulls Brian
Hoyer and he decides to go with Johnny Manziel, who,
in typical backup fashion, comes and goes like the field
of scores. Uh now does a seven and five Cleveland
Brown team? Would you pull Hoyer and put Manzell in? MM?
I don't know. I this is the topic de jour
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this week right now? You know what Mike petton I
he painted himself in a corner because again he said,
we will let you know on Wednesday. I don't know
why he said that. He you know, he's got to
get a little bit more. And I think he's doing
a great job. Believe me, He's got to learn a
little bit more from Bill Belichick. I'll let you know
when we decide, you know what I mean. You know,
(17:55):
l just stay tuned, or just lie and say I
changed my mind, say I don't know, I'm none of
your business or whatever. But now now they're gonna be
waiting to see who starts the first huddle in practice,
they're gonna be waiting for Hey, you said you're gonna
know him name a guy by Wednesday. You know, maybe
maybe he lets him compete this week. Maybe he has
a Manzel package. Maybe he splits reps not only in
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practice but in the game. I don't know, but I'm
gonna call you out here, man, what do you mean compete?
How do you compete in practice? And if you're if
you're letting them compete this late in the season, aren't
you saying, Brian Horrier, you're done? Because let me let's
go back, because I'm gonna discribe. I would go with Manzell,
and I've been on record. I don't like Manzel. I
think he's a punk. I don't like to you know,
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he scored, he scores a touchdown in a game they're
losing and gives you the no thanks. That to me,
that's a loser. But so you'd start him though, I
would from the general standpoint, we know Brian Hoy, Brian
Hoyer is Drew Stanton is Josh mcnun. He's a backup.
He's fifty completion, He's got eleven touchdowns to ten interceptions.
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They're like, not lucky. I I give him credit for
being where they are. They took Johnny Manziel with twenty
second pick. What how many times have you heard stay
with your board, stay with your evaluation. They thought Manzel
was good enough to take with the twenty second pick. Okay,
I disagree with it, but I'm talking about if we
think he was good enough to be the twenty second pick.
The guy we've got in there is pedestrian at best.
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I'll give it that. We're seven and five. We're gonna
go to the super Bowl with Brian Hoyer at quarterback.
We're gonna go far in the play don't we need
to find out about Johnny Manziel. And even if I
stay with Hoyer and we limp around and get to
ten and six and we make it in the playoffs,
and then we lose in the first round. Now where
am I? Because Brian Horry and my guy going forward, well,
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you're a heck of a lot better than you were
the last twelve years. I don't get it. But that's
not Brian. That's not Brian. Hoyer is doing well. He's
been the quarterback under center that's helped drive them to
this winning record. Right now, now's his last hundred forty
six passes. He's got one touchdown in six interceptions, and
you know, six and so it's not burn pretty at all.
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And I get that, and it's very rare, rare that
that a first round draft choice will sit behind a
pedestrian quarterback if you're gonna sit sitting behind Bred five
or sit behind somebody that's a pro bowler, but that
this is not the case. The other, the other part
of the equation, Brian is they're trying to learn about
both guys. And I think Brian Hoyer played better than
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expected in terms of the winning the winning record. His
contract is up as well at the end of the season,
so they need to decide do they pay him anything
at all or keep them or let them go elsewhere
and put all their eggs on this one basket who
you don't really like and and so, and then on
the other hand, they still have to find out if
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or at least try to start developing Manzel. Is he
the guy that we thought he was? And that's my point.
I don't we're gonna see anymore over Brian Hoyer of
the next five weeks that we haven't already seen. He's
gonna get the season He's going he's gonna have eight
teen touchdowns and sixteen interceptions, maybe, you know. So that's
why I said, you know, it's it's not it's not
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a good deal for Brian Hoyer right now, because you
know they're not in first place in that division. They're
still alive, very much alive, but you know he's helped
them get to the point where questions, no question about.
It's a little bit like Kurt Warner when he was
with the Giants. They had him and they had a
chance to make the playoffs, yet they pulled him and
went with Eli and let him go through those growing pains,
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feeling that he was going to be the guy in
the future. So if they stay with Hoyer, they go
and they play the Colts, they get blown out by
the Coats Colts, and now they're seven and six, do
you make the change now? And Howyer plays just okay, throws.
I don't care who plays. They're going to get beat
by the Colts, right So, so so now you're seven
and six, do you now do you make the change
to Manzel? And Hawyer has been ok he throws one touchdown,
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two interceptions. That's that's what I said earlier in the
season in September, I said, you play Manzel when you're
kind of out of the playoffs, you know, and they
won't be mathematically out, but when you when it's kind
of hopeless. Then you say, all right, let's see what
we got in this young kid. We know what we
have in Brian. Hey, not my problem, but you know what,
But you know what, but what would be wrong? What
would be wrong with playing both guys? I'm okay at
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that point right now. Yeah, I'm okay with that. But
in essence, you're basically saying we don't think Hoyer is
good enough. You're saying you we don't know, We don't know.
I need to find out about Manzel and go ahead
and throw him in even though I don't think I
don't like him. Um, what I tell you what they
should do. They should trade for J. J. Watt and
put him at a quarterback because he'll he'll produce a
whole lot more than either one of those guys. Let's
talk about J. J. Watt. Oh yeah, let's because that
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guy's are not just a beast, but he is a
freak of nature of athleticism. I'm waiting for him to
throw a touchdown pack. I know they need to do that,
don't they. We had the cameras, you know, on him
warming up, screwing around during the pregame. He can sling it. Now,
this guy he probably can kick field goals in punt
if you ask them to. He's like big Jim Thorpe.
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I mean, this guy can do everything. You know. It's
interesting you would bring that up because I did a
Houston Texans game and I remember talking to J. J.
Watt before the guy. I had just forgotten about that.
I'm old, so when you prodd me like this, things
come back. But and he talked about wanting to play
tight end because he thought he could do it. And
I remember watching he has huge hands and he's throwing
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that thing around like a nerf ball. It's that would
be something. Is he? Uh? Okay? Because it's a big
debate right now. Uh can he be the m v
P on a team that now you know, ends up
five hundred go to the playoffs compared to these quarterbacks
A Paul Horny won the Heisman Trophy and didn't have
a winning season over there anyway. Um, so you know
he's going to be the defensive n B right right?
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Or that's that's like that's easy. But m v P
of the league. Maybe, I hope he gets every consideration
because what he's doing is special. It's never been done before,
really except sixty five years ago or whatever that is.
And there's more. I mean, he's gonna keep doing more
there he's trying to hold it up and dance like
d On. That was not very good. Were you were
you in Green Bay when Reggie was up there? Yeah?
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Tell me? Is that a fair comparison terms of guy
that moves up and down the line and can impact
the game. Yeah, but Reggie never used Reggie. Yeah, Reggie.
I can't imagine anybody ever being better at defensive end
than Reggie White. I'm just telling you. And then when
he spoke, it was like E. F. Hutton, you would
loosen everybody the guy was. I love Reggie White and
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miss him dearly. Um, but we never used Reggie White
on offense to run be a wide receiver and a
tight end in a fullback in motion. You wouldn't do
that with Reggie. He wasn't that kind of an athlete.
He probably could catch and all that. But just in
terms of defense, uh yeah, And I say just because
because they moved Reggie around a little bit, you had
him outside, you had him inside, but clearly outside I'm sure.
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But but with modern day football, you know there's Julius Peppers, guy,
what an athlete he is. He played basketball over there.
He plays defense, He intercepts passes. You know, he rushed
as a pastor all that. But they also use him
on offense. They put him out there as a receiver
and throw a fade and you know, some of those
sort of things with Julius peppers Um, you know, and
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and so he's got the size and athleticism a little
bit like j j Um. They just in his career,
he hasn't been looking at this one. Yeah, this is
against the Eagles. You know what I like about this one.
I hope keep running it because he does a Lambeau
leap without using terrible He just he just jumped, well
he kind of hit it jump. He was a little short.
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That's a high wall man. He didn't stick the landing
at all. That was a tough one. Yeah, he in
terms of sheer athlete, it's great fun that It's too
bad that it's on a team that you know, Houston's
kind of hanging around. It's still I don't know in
that a f C is certainly with now the a
f C North, everybody short of Cincinnati falling apart, not
falling apart, but losing because the Ravens has a tough loss,
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last second loss to San Diego Pittsburgh, and I've given
up on Pittsburgh. I'm done with Pittsburgh. I thought there,
but the way they're playing now and depressant, I know,
I know they're up and down. And then obviously Cleveland
we already talked about. But both for Houston, UH and
in Miami, this is a big game tonight. Now Miami's
got a chance now to all of a sudden reassert you.
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We all thought and I was the same way that
even before this is the Brillians, before the pregame show,
I'm making the grand it's too too wild card teams.
May You're gonna be af C North teams because Sincinni's
gonna win. They get the headed with Bald It's gonna
be Baltimore and Pittsburgh and then they all go out Sagan.
So my Miami and Miami and Miami and Houston, Kirk,
I don't know that they will, but because the Miami
tends to fade, and I think they'll lose tonight quite frankly,
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because this is about time they normally choke. Let's talk
about everybody's talking about the Arizona Cardinals, and we've talked
about the offensive side just how non existent they are,
and this is gonna catch up with them. I think
Seattle will overtake them. We could see Arizona actually follo
out the playoffs as as as as terrible as that sounds.
But let's talk about Patrick Peterson all week long was
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calling out Julio Jones and then got schooled by Julio
Owns and Bruce Arians kind of took him to task. Ford.
Let's talk a little bit about that. When you've got
a player that's john out during the week and when
none of us coaches like that. It's kind of the
way it is in the NFL right now. But let's
talk a little bit about what Bruce Arians did calling
out Patrick Peterson his best player, saying, Okay, you open
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your mouth, you gotta you gotta follow up. And that
all surprised me a little bit because Patrick Peterson not
only is that a great player, he's a heck of
a guy. He's really great. Now, this this this competition
started in college and and and so there was a
great rivalry as far as Julio was a Georgia and
Patrick was at l s U. Yeah, and so so
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this goes way back, and he's just trying to show confidence.
Uh and and he's I don't know if he feels
he's a spokesperson of that defense or whatever. But Julio
Jones had a career day with ten catches on her
eighty nine yards and had his way and and and
I I was surprised because Patrick, I think Patrick Peterson
was surprised about the whole thing. They gave about five
hundred yards with that that defense against the NNA Falcons.
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I mean, I mean that was a shocker. Now and
the and the Twitter versus exploding because I said, George
and I met Alabama on Julio Jones. And I was
usually called Julio Cruz because I played. I was in
high school with Julio Cruz. You know, the second baseman
for the Mariners. Yep, that's athlete I've ever. But you
don't you know what the second he was led the
all time steal leading whatever. But you're right, and and
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and it was un characteristic of Patrick Peterson because he
is such a classy guy. But I thought it was
significance that Bruce kind of said, hey, we're not we
don't want to do that. You know you mentioned you
kind of cringe with when somebody makes a prediction or
a guarantee or starts trash talking with the media before
the game starts, because it's a it could be a firestorm,
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and especially when you lose and you don't back it up,
you don't even like it when you when you back
it up. I mean I I I'm trying to think
of the guy. All the guys that I've been around,
I don't really remember many guys trash talking the opponent
before the games. I remember t O t talking me
and you so before the game, and maybe some of
his other teammates who coaches, but but you know, so
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that's that. Look at him, whether he was with the
Eagles or was the Niners or whatever, he was always
happening about something, you know, and then he usually backed
it up, usually backed well. And like you said, even
if they back it up, I would always go to
the player at some point, go what do you what
are you accomplishing here? What do you want? Let me
help you here? I want to help you. What is
it you're trying to get done? I was worried about
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forget the after effects on whatever. Look at that he
not listened to you right here is between us. George
Stewart is gonna keep staying right and just and I'm
telling Jeff, don't talk to this guy. He's not gonna
listen to you this game. We won this game on
a sluggo in the last play of the game. Remember
that to TiO and he had no catches at halftime.
He went to Zurko. Well, he had eight catches in
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the second half. He won the game for us, and
it was like one of those deals. So I bet
you you were trash talker in college, aren't you? Would you?
Little you? I can see you being a bit of
a smart asset, you know, and just kind of chipping.
If we'd had Twitter at our age, well that would
have been lethal. Yeah, yeah, like you would have been.
I've been out of it. Yeah, that had gotten realm
me a long time ago. Well, thanks for checking out
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the Week thirteen Coaches Show. Make sure to check us
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