December 15, 2014 • 28 mins
Former NFL head coaches Brian Billick and Steve Mariucci break down Week 15 in the NFL discussing Aaron Rodgers’ struggles against the Bills’ defense, Johnny Manziel’s debut and the Cowboys’ impressive road win vs. the Eagles. Plus, the Cardinals’ quarterback situation and Jim Harbaugh’s future.
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Coaches Show podcast, Thirty men together can't lose. This is
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why you lift all that how everybody that albody telling
them and now we're going there's a glean man, there's
a glean Thanks for joining us on the Coaches Show.
I'm Brian Billick. This is Steve Mariuchi course and uh coach.
Let's let's start with your Green Bay Packers, because it's
one thing to lose, but to lose the way Aaron
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Rodgers and the Packers did. Let's just start with first,
what are takeaways from that game? Well, hey, so listen,
I'm sure you watch game day morning, right, and so
we had a segment to do upset alert, you know,
and I said, the Screen Bay Packer team better be.
I picked them to win the game, but I said
they gotta be on upset alert because doing my research,
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get this, over the past fifteen years in December at
Orchard Park over there in uh in Buffalo, only one
quarterbacks ever thrown for three yards. That was Brady seven
years ago. So, hey, they have good defenses over the
years and be maybe the weather old man winner plays defense,
you know that. Maybe it's a little swirly whatever, but
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it just quarterbacks just don't play very well there in
the in the winter. So you add up that plus
this good team, they're really good on defense. Aren't they
what Marcel Darius and Mario Williams and Kyle Williams and
all that that front is really scary. And then a
bunch of no name guys in the secondary who just
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make play after play after play, and Aaron Rodgers just
simply wasn't able to hang onto the ball, move around
and make plays like he typically does. There's Bacary Rambo.
He had a couple of interceptions in this game, and
so they just play hard and you're look at this.
This should have been a pick six by Stefan Gilmore
and and here's a tip pass and that's the other
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interception by Baccary Rambo. So this defense, you know, Jim
Schwartz Bran is doing I heck of a job with
this defense. And remember Seattle in Detroit, another other good
defenses gave this Packer offense fits as well. Well. You
mentioned Jim Schwartz. And do we make anything of the
fact that because this was this was you know, Apple,
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this was terrible. I mean, this wasn't just a good defense.
This was uh, Aaron Rodgers playing a way I I
can't remember the last time we saw Aaron Rodgers play
this poorly. And let's remember, Jim Schwartz was in Detroit,
played Aaron Rodgers and the Green Bay Packers twice a
year for the entire time that he was in Detroit.
That familiarity because I know with really, I know this
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was in Minnesota when we've played Barry Barry Sanders every
year twice and Tony Dungeon was our defensive coordinate, and
you got used to seeing Barry Sanders and you and
you crafted a game play because you were used to it.
And you'd see film of teams that had not played
Sanders before and they look silly because he didn't know
how to deal with it. Do we get take anything
from the fact that maybe Schwartz isn't overwhelmed by Aaron
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Rodgers has a bit of a plan. Brian, you said
you play center, but you were in the dome, okay,
so you couldn't change much except crank that fake noise up.
So I was in Green Bay at the time, and
you know what we used to do. We used to
grow the grass a little higher, so you did cheat
up and water it down a little bit and make
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it like a quagmire and Hellberry, see if you can
run fast and quick on this stuff. Yeah, it helped.
And so but here you mentioned Aaron Rodgers. You said
we haven't seen anything. You're right because these were career
low Yeah, seventeen of forty two. Are you kidding me?
That's that's the lowest he's ever been. Only five yards,
no touchdowns, a couple of picks, thirty four passer rating.
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That's the lowest he's ever been. So and then he
snapped that two hundred two passing streak without an interception.
So you're right, we haven't seen this from Aaron Rodgers
because he's been so darned good. But this Bill's defense
has been playing well all year long, particularly last two weeks.
Let's not forget how how they were able to get
after Peyton Manning. So this is this isn't just hey,
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we had one great game. Uh and in the last game.
They're gonna play the Raiders this this week. They're eight
and six, so they're still relevant. I'm talking about the Bills. Now,
Let's assume they beat the Raiders, even though it's at
the Raiders. Then they play Tom Brady and the New
England Patriots. Is that the real test to see can
you indeed shut down Peyton Manning? Aaron Rodgers, and and
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and Tom Brady. You didn't mention Derek Carr. He's writing,
you know what, I probably should, but I'm dismissing him.
But let's just assume Derek Carr is not quite ready
for the Hall of Fame. So, uh yeah, that's gonna
be the real test, isn't it. Absolutely? And so you
know they're still fighting for a playoff spot. It's kind
of crazy. I'm looking at it here. Twelve out of
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the sixteen teams in the a f C are still fighting.
Now how about the playoff spot? And that's what makes
this so awesome. You know, I don't want to say
there's parody in the league, but the way it's scheduled,
in the way we dry often, the way we do things. Boy,
there's twenty one teams that are still involved, twelve in
the a f C, and the Bills are one of them.
They're still fighting. Let's spend it forward a little bit.
Is there anything that the Bucks with the Lions can
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take It look to me like they played a lot
of two man and we had a lot of drops
that was uncaracter. It's as well. I mean, Jordy Nelson,
he's never gonna he doesn't drop them. He had ninety
touchdown had he caught that ball. But it looked like
they were playing a lot of two man. Is that
a formula think they could give the Packers? Is that
their receivers? You know, other than Randall Cobb, they're not
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going to get away from press as well when they
got that help. I'm just trying to spend this forward.
Is there something structurally we can draw from it? When
you know this, when you play two man against an
athletic quarterback, you better have your front ford contain him
because when he when Aaron Rodgers takes off for Cam
Newton or some of these athletic guys that can make
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plays with their legs too. Man, you got everybody running
right and you've got safeties watching the quarterback. So couple
of those tip passes that you saw ended up getting
tipped to the safety that was playing zone behind all
that man stuff. So you know, I don't know what
you can take from this other than the three teams
that really made Aaron Rodgers look like a human being.
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We're Detroit, Seattle, and now Buffalo. Just three good defenses,
just three three great defenses that have good fronts that
kind of make him throw the ball a little bit
sooner than he wants to, and they minimize the damage
after the catch, and uh, they have given him. It's
not He's got to play Detroit one more time in
the last game and that's gonna be the thriller in
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Manila because that's gonna determine who wins that division. Uh.
And one final thing obviously, with regards this, and because
I hate it when people say, well, do we have
a template now? And yeah, if you had a good defense,
you got a template going forward. Uh. But but with
regards to Pittsburgh and the job that they did against
the Green Bay Packers, um, one thing that did surprise
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me was Eddie Lacey was pounding it. I thought, Okay,
this is this is what the Packers hasn't had before,
and we it's what we've been patting. Mike McCarthy and
the Green Bay Packers on their back a little bit
about just shoved Eddie Lacey down their throat that first
drive and a half and then he looks like he disappeared.
It's like they kind of got away from it. Yeah,
and that surprised me because they were so good early
pounding Eddie Lacey and then I don't know if Eddie
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Lacy got beat up a little bit or what, but
they didn't. They didn't stay with that formula. Uh, you know,
because you got to throw the ball sooner or later
with Aaron Rodgers, because really that's what you do best. Well,
we've got to we've got to move on to the
topic of the day. And I'm gonna make a coach
just show promise to the people that listen to us.
We've got to do it today because and I can
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hear Mike Mayock just screaming in my ear anytime we
talked about Tim Tebow, Why are we talking about a
guy that can't play in the National Football League? We
got to talk about Johnny manzel But I agree, you know,
it's a hot story. But after this, until he does something,
why are we talking about a guy that can't play
in the National Football League. Let's let's talk about what
we saw? What what? What do we know about Johnny
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Manziel after this last week. I was very surprised, Brian.
I I bet you were too, because I just go
back to when I was evaluating him in college and
he was dynamite and even when he played against the Bills.
He had some success. He scored a touchdown against the Bills,
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drove him a couple of times, um, but he was
he was really terrible. Let's call it like it is.
And in in this game he looked overwhelmed. To me,
his he he lacked disciplined with his drops and his progressions.
This ball right here, he threw it right before the half.
All he has to do is throw the ball away,
they kick a field goal. At least have something positive
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before halftime. This was a read that he just missed,
which is something that we expected him to be good at.
And so he just shocked me. Now, Mike Petton says
he's gonna start him again, which I guess you gotta you,
don't you. Yeah, I mean you got to find out
the next two weeks you do. But Brian, what if
he what if he starts doing the same crazy stuff
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and and he just looks like, Hey, this guy is
not ready, and don't you go back to Hoyer see
if you can win the game. Poff right? Well for me,
going for We talked about this over the last couple
of weeks and it's turned out that way. But that's
just what Happenstance to me over the next two weeks,
this job one. Can this guy play? Can I see anything?
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I just want to see one thing, even if that
one thing is him scrambling around, scoring a touchdown, running
and not coming up and giving that money sign anything.
I'll take anything that says, Okay, maybe this guy can
be a starter in the National Football League And he
only got two games. Don't you have to know that
in Cleveland? Because if we get to if we get
to the off season and we don't have an inkling
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that he can play, what do we do? You find
somebody else? But you know what, remember the Buffalo Bills,
you know, had d J. Manuel the young quarter back,
and all of a sudden he wasn't quite getting it done.
They made a change and that seemed to work out.
They'll go back to e J eventually. So I think
this is a little bit of a tryout, an audition,
so to speak. And yeah, you try to make it work.
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But I'm just saying because he looked he I mean,
he looked bad, all right, and he'll be he was
really a stand up guy in his press conference and
he said it. He said, as no excuses, I was bad,
and so um I don't know. But here's the other
thing about that whole game. I was a little surprised
about their offensive game plan Brian. I thought, for sure,
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because he's such an athlete and good at it, they
would run more read option. Al Right, he messed up
the first one, he got hit for seven yard loss,
and they didn't go back to it much at all. Okay,
that was one I was curious about that. The other
thing is, why don't you run your play action movements
and keeps and get him out of the pocket like
we saw him in the preseason. We saw him against Buffalo.
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He's very good from the run. Let the guy see
something and on the perimeter instead of staying in that
pocket and where it's very difficult to see. I thought
the game plan was a little uh weird for me.
I would have used him to his skills and helped
him out a little bit with those sort of things.
I'm gonna do something on on Playbook and Playbook Prime
Time this weekend, talking about the old boots and waggles
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that we all run and for a while there, you know, uh,
we go back to our all our mentors. Bill Walsh,
it said that game that play is dead in the
NFL in terms of and we all run in preseason,
right because it's a nice safe way to get your
quarterback with a fake and get outside the perimeter and
have the deep guy have the cross or HI have
the shallow. But now because the read option, you see
it with the fake and then you're seeing the read
option fake and people and there's always a crosser and
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there's always a guy into the flat. It's it's been
reborn in the league again today. And you're right, there's
no question that he would be very good at that.
But then here's my question. Okay, great, let's let's cater
ourselves to Johnny Manzel doing that. What have we learned
is that the can we win doing just that? Can
we win in this league doing what Johnny Manzel does? Well,
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this goes back to the Tim Tebow. I don't think
you can. Okay, So so you're you're you're suggesting, is
you you just stay stubborn with keeping him in the pocket,
training him to be a pocket passer. Well, I think
you have to use you turn on the Seattle film
and and Russell Wilson doesn't make a living solely from
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the pocket with you, And I knew you were gonna
go there, go ahead, go ahead, and so and they
move him around, not to mention he moves himself around
because that guy scrambles like fran Tarkington and Johnny Manziel
needs to learn escape routes a little bit better too.
But you know you got a guy under six feet
and Russell Wilson. Here's another one now, Johnny Football. They
need to play the game a certain way because they
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simply won't make a living like Peyton Manning and like
Tom Brady from the pocket. So you have to adjust
your game plan. Kyle Kyle Shanahan did that with r
G three in that first year when they won the division.
So you gotta be a little bit creative. And this
is why the hair on the back of my neck
or going up right now, because I know for a
fact every fiber in my body says, when Cleveland was
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deciding to trade back up and get him with the
twenty second pick, somebody in that room, coach or or scout,
was saying, this guy can be Russell Wilson. That was
the benchmark. If Russell Wilson did not exist, if he
had not had the success he did, I'm convinced Johnny
Manzel wouldn't be taken with the twenty second pick because
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there's somebody saying, oh, he can be Russell Wilson. In
my opinion, Johnny Manziel is not Russell Wilson. I've seen
nothing to indicate that he has and I think Russell
Wilson will and can't evolve to where I see enough
basic skills from the pocket to think he can do that.
He does the other stuff really really good. I just
see nothing in Manzell's game to think that he can
progress that way. All right, let's rewind this thing, though,
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Brian Bill, Like, let's rewind it a little bit, because
when we were talking in the draft the year Russell
Wilson came out, here's this guy, right that transferred from
NC State and the sons in and he he did okay,
but he's short, and all of a sudden, you go,
he's the third round guy. He's one of those guys
you draft for depth or whatever that is. So he
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wasn't Russell Wilson until he won a super Bowl. And
now he's like, the short guy can win a Super Bowl.
So and Johnny Manzelle's career in college was unbelievable. You
know that every time you watch that left tackle position,
Luke Joco or Jake Matthews, I kept watching the quarterback.
This guy is amazing, and let's try to evaluate the tackle.
And so that's why I'm a little bit surprised about
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his performance. You know, Brian, I'm hoping that what they're
at Carolina, I'm hoping that he plays better, more like
what we saw in college, because otherwise I'm gonna be
shocked because all of our evaluations about his magic, you know,
like Doug Flute he had um, will be out the window.
I hope his confidence hasn't been shaken. I don't think
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it happy. Let's say, let's say, obviously playing not playing
as poorly as he did Son, But let's say the
next two weeks, he he gets out there and they
play the Panthers and the Ravens now Panthers defense is
looking better, and that Ravens group now they'll be looking
their chops and they're likely going to need that win
as well. Um, let's say he looks okay, you know,
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he completes fifty of his passes. He has uh, Let's
say over the next two games he has four touchdowns
and seven interceptions rookie type numbers. And I don't mean
that in a to slant in a certain way, but okay,
he plays at that level, and he kind of looks
like a rookie. All right, I'm Cleveland. What do you do?
I don't know, you know what, I think? I don't care.
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The problem. The problem lies with who else do you have?
Because Brian Hoyer is a free agent. If Brian Hoyer
was a guy that was under contract for another couple
of years, you'd keep Brian because you know, you know
what you got there. You know he can win some
games for you. He's pretty steady, and then you continue
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to try to develop him. You know, again, like Buffalo
did with E. J. Manuel, you had this Kyle Orton
kid that's playing pretty well. A veteran guy is either
world beat or no. But he's good enough. So yeah,
they have some big decisions to make it. Like you
said earlier, let's play this guy in two games and
really see what we have. But my point is if
he appears to be overwhelmed again and just like crazy,
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I'm gonna try to win that game because I'm still
in this crazy playoff hunt. Yeah, I don't. And again
he's not. He's cool and confident and like, no, you know,
I always say a rookie quarterback, I want to see
just enough panic in his eyes for him to recognize
that that he doesn't know enough. I want to see
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a little just enough fear and I don't I don't
mean panic, but enough fear to show me that you're
smart enough to be afraid. And because that concerns me
that he hadn't enough to be afraid, smart enough to
be afraid. Let's move on to the to to this
one um week fifteen. Obviously it's some great compelling games. Uh,
let's start with the most the biggest win over the
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over the weekend. Whoa the biggest win I'll start. I'm
gonna say it's the Cowboys, you know what? Me and
in road winds and for them to go into Philadelphia,
particularly after just seventeen days ago getting whooped by the Eagles. Uh,
and for them and not only yeah, they got the
big turnover early and they got the twenty one point lead,
but then Philadelphia came back and then two drives. Man,
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they didn't panic. They came back. They handed the ball
off to Murray. They recognized you know what, see that
Bryant guy over there against that other guy. I'm gonna
keep doing that. You know sometimes we coaches complicated. Well, no,
they'll know, Uh, keep going back. I was very impressed
with the way they handled that game. I was surprised
how Philadelphia chose not to help on des Brillant. Come on,
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and then they're playing these corners up and bump and
run and and he's going by Fletcher and those guys
like crazy. I mean, help him out a little bit,
will you? And so yeah, this was that was a
huge statement win for the Cowboys because they got blasted
on Thanksgiving Day. But remember it was a short week
of practice after a Sunday night road trip, and that
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Tony was banged up. He didn't take a shot that game,
he told us, And this was a long week of preparation.
They looked fresh, they looked dominating, and and I was,
I was, this was the Cowboys. That's uh, it looks
like a very well coached team. You know what. The
team that I was impressed with the Seattle Seahawks. You know, yeah,
they're the champs. Okay, they're the world champs, but you
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know what, we're gonna be talking about this all the
way through the playoffs. They lost a bunch of guys.
Now on both sides of the ball. I thought they
would take a step back. Uh. And early in the
season they did lose some games, but they looked like
the real deal. Now again, they're on you know, they're
hitting on all eight cylinders, beast mode. Look at this guy.
You can't knock him off his feet. And you've got
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you've got the rival game and the Niners coming up.
And the Niners are kind of the bad boys too.
You know this is these are two heavy weights and
Seattle just took it to him in every way, shape
and form. And and I'm impressed with this team. This
is a scary team because they're so physical Brian on defense.
On offense, they play smash mouth. And this guy right here,
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Russell Wilson, he's the key. Let's face it. He throws
the ball down the field better than he should because
he doesn't. There's Baldwin. You know, he doesn't have a
great supporting cast with his receiving corps, but he makes
plays and he can make him with his legs, make
him play that well, that's why, and that's what I'm
not going back to the old conversation. But just those
players you saw right there from the package, he started
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the pocket, he stepped back, made the throw down the field.
I've never seen Johnny man'ze'll make that throw ever? Ever. Yeah,
and even in college, that just wasn't what he did.
But I'm with you. How on Seattle they well, let
me ask you this then Seattle obviously at home, I
can't see him. But he going to Seattle and beating Seattle. No,
Remember the green Bay Packers went in there for a
first for game, and boy it was I feel the
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same way about green Bay at home if it went
through Lambeau. Do you have as much conviction about someone
being able to not beat Green Bay and Lambo the
way you have the conviction about somebody not being able
to beat Seattle and Seattle. Yeah. I think I think
whoever gets home field is gonna win it. I think
I'm back on that. I think the Packers could beat Seattle.
Uh in Lambeau the way they've dominated. Heck, they score
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enough points by halftime to win every game over there
in Lambeau, but they just really look pedestrian. You know.
I thought I thought green Bay would handle the weather.
Better than they did in Buffalo. They did not. I
guess it was just that defense that they couldn't handle.
But yeah, you know, right now you've got you got
the Seahawks and the Packers seated fifth and sixth. Me
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I believe personally they will be one and two before
it's all over. Those two teams will be one and
two and then, uh, it's got to go through Seattle
or Lambau and what orders it in is gonna be huge.
I think it's fascinating that Philadelphia, if Green Bay or
excuse me, if Dallas can beat in and then you
gotta figure they're gonna win and be in the game.
We could see, uh the Philadelphia, who's a darn good
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football team, actually end up out of the playoffs. I
know it. There are seven really good teams in the NFC.
Somebody's gonna be left home that really could or should
be in. You bet. You brought up the forty Niners,
And let's let's talk about because it is a coaching situation.
You you live there in the Bay Area. Where where
are we now that they're forts are officially eliminated? Where
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are we on the Jim Harbaugh saka do you think
I want, I don't want to believe that they've exhausted
all avenues in terms of talking this out. I wish
to God that John York and Jed York and Trent
Balky and Jim would sit down, you know, a man
and man little bottle of wine and just say, all right,
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let's talk about it. Let's lay everything out on the table.
Because right now, guys, we have a good football team.
Will be healthier, next year, will be whole, We'll be
a competitor, will will be a contender. There's no doubt
about it. Uh, you know, And I don't. I hope
that that's gone by, and I hope that that's still
a possibility. But everything that I hear that this this
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coach is wanting to be somewhere else, This organization prefers
to have somebody else, and I and I don't. I
don't get that I'm not there every day, and I
don't know the compatibility issue that exists or non compatibility issue,
but right now it seems like it's in a tail spin.
I'll throw in the the other element here, the cynic
and me the business beside of me that you know,
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I would love to thank old school like you and
I grew up. Yes, we can sit down in the
room and like, man, we can sort this out because
we got a good thing going. But Jim Harbaugh goes
someplace else. He may be the first ten million dollar
a year pro football coach that the money indeed is
a factor that staying in San Francisco, given the ruptured
problems they have right now in terms of the relationships
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and the contract negotiate because remember this kind of back
with some contract negotiations. But now I'm in a position
if you trade me someplace else, I'm going in I'll
have total control of that organization. You gotta pay me
ten million dollars a year. Well, first of all, I
don't think he's gonna get ten million dollars a year.
And secondly, I he might get total control. It would
depend on where it goes. But you know, for Jim,
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for Jim, outside of the money that you're talking about,
he's not gonna go to a better team than he's
on right now. Right you know that, And so sometimes
that money leads you to an average football team, and
so which means what in three years. Let's remember though
he's a former player. I think Jim Harbaugh has a players.
You and I grew up as coaches strictly as and
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he grew up in a coaching family. I get that,
but he's got that player mentality about I gotta take
that dash for the cash. Now, you're gonna show me
respect by paying me the money. That's the only way
you're gonna show me the respect that I'm due. I
think there's enough of that player mentality and Jim Harbaugh
that that's a factor. That's too bad because it is
because because the reports I'm hearing, and you know how
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the reports are. I don't know if I believe some
of it. I it's hard to believe that he wanted
to be a year ago the highest paid coach in
the in the league. And I don't get that. I mean,
you're telling me that he deserves to be a higher
paid coach than a Bill Belichick or any of the
any number of coaches who have been to multiple Super
Bowls and won them. So I don't I don't want
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to even go there. But uh, you know, yeah, should
he be compensated fairly? Absolutely? Will he get it somewhere else?
I suppose he will, But he's not gonna go to
a team that's loaded like this. This San Francisco forty
niner team has more Pro Bowl guys on it over
the last three years than anybody in the league by
four players. I mean, it's like this is a talented bunch.
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So whoever the heck is gonna get this is gonna
get a good football team. Let's finish with that with
the great job that Bruce Arians doing his quarterback dilemma.
I mean, he showed great passion after the game. We're
gonna do this with whoever Ryan Linley or whoever they
played now, because God forbid, Palmer goes down Andrew Stanton
goes down. Let's just get a chip in about the
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job Bruce. We We've been saying it every week, but boy,
he is passionate about we're gonna win with this group,
are they? I can't help but think back that when
Dick Vermio lost Trent Greden to an injury, and you go,
we're gonna rally behind Kurt Warner and we're gonna be
a good football team. Remember he was trying. He was
trying at his press conference and so and they ended
up win the Super Bowl. But you know, Bruce Arians,
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you know he's got to be the coach of the year.
He's had so many issues outside of the quarterback position.
But this Ryan Linley kid, he's only been there a month.
They signed him after Carson Palmer went down. And he's
a better bet than the rookie usually veterans are. And
so but gee'z to play the Niners in Seattle again.
They're probably not gonna win those games, and then they're
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gonna be a playoff team. I think they're hoping to
get Drew Stanton back. I hope to God they do,
because he gives them a chance to win. They've got
a good defense. I mean, you know, they've got a
real good defense, and and uh, let's see what happens.
It's really unfortunate they go from eleven and three to
try and make a yard with a new quarterback. Let
me write that down because we have it on tape here.
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Steve Maci says Ryan Linley is the next Kurt Warner. Well,
that you the same you told the story. What are
you telling me here? Let me I gotta tell you true.
Though we've played, we were the first team to play
that eventual Super Bowl champion St. Louis rams Dick for
a meal, they we started Kurt Warner, and I stood
on the midfield before the game and talked to Dick
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for a meal and to Mike Marts and they both
told me they deny it, but it's a fact I
got no horse in this race. They said, you know what,
we got this kid Warner. We hope he holds on
because we got this kid Justice. Uh, they got from
Arizona State that we just hope until he learns the
system to come in and replace this Warner kid. So
that just shows you none of us knows anything. How
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Coaches Show podcast, Thirty men together can't lose. This is
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why you lift all that how everybody that albody telling
them and now we're going there's a glean man, there's
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I'm Brian Billick. This is Steve Mariuchi course and uh coach.
Let's let's start with your Green Bay Packers, because it's
one thing to lose, but to lose the way Aaron
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Rodgers and the Packers did. Let's just start with first,
what are takeaways from that game? Well, hey, so listen,
I'm sure you watch game day morning, right, and so
we had a segment to do upset alert, you know,
and I said, the Screen Bay Packer team better be.
I picked them to win the game, but I said
they gotta be on upset alert because doing my research,
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get this, over the past fifteen years in December at
Orchard Park over there in uh in Buffalo, only one
quarterbacks ever thrown for three yards. That was Brady seven
years ago. So, hey, they have good defenses over the
years and be maybe the weather old man winner plays defense,
you know that. Maybe it's a little swirly whatever, but
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it just quarterbacks just don't play very well there in
the in the winter. So you add up that plus
this good team, they're really good on defense. Aren't they
what Marcel Darius and Mario Williams and Kyle Williams and
all that that front is really scary. And then a
bunch of no name guys in the secondary who just
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make play after play after play, and Aaron Rodgers just
simply wasn't able to hang onto the ball, move around
and make plays like he typically does. There's Bacary Rambo.
He had a couple of interceptions in this game, and
so they just play hard and you're look at this.
This should have been a pick six by Stefan Gilmore
and and here's a tip pass and that's the other
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interception by Baccary Rambo. So this defense, you know, Jim
Schwartz Bran is doing I heck of a job with
this defense. And remember Seattle in Detroit, another other good
defenses gave this Packer offense fits as well. Well. You
mentioned Jim Schwartz. And do we make anything of the
fact that because this was this was you know, Apple,
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this was terrible. I mean, this wasn't just a good defense.
This was uh, Aaron Rodgers playing a way I I
can't remember the last time we saw Aaron Rodgers play
this poorly. And let's remember, Jim Schwartz was in Detroit,
played Aaron Rodgers and the Green Bay Packers twice a
year for the entire time that he was in Detroit.
That familiarity because I know with really, I know this
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was in Minnesota when we've played Barry Barry Sanders every
year twice and Tony Dungeon was our defensive coordinate, and
you got used to seeing Barry Sanders and you and
you crafted a game play because you were used to it.
And you'd see film of teams that had not played
Sanders before and they look silly because he didn't know
how to deal with it. Do we get take anything
from the fact that maybe Schwartz isn't overwhelmed by Aaron
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Rodgers has a bit of a plan. Brian, you said
you play center, but you were in the dome, okay,
so you couldn't change much except crank that fake noise up.
So I was in Green Bay at the time, and
you know what we used to do. We used to
grow the grass a little higher, so you did cheat
up and water it down a little bit and make
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it like a quagmire and Hellberry, see if you can
run fast and quick on this stuff. Yeah, it helped.
And so but here you mentioned Aaron Rodgers. You said
we haven't seen anything. You're right because these were career
low Yeah, seventeen of forty two. Are you kidding me?
That's that's the lowest he's ever been. Only five yards,
no touchdowns, a couple of picks, thirty four passer rating.
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That's the lowest he's ever been. So and then he
snapped that two hundred two passing streak without an interception.
So you're right, we haven't seen this from Aaron Rodgers
because he's been so darned good. But this Bill's defense
has been playing well all year long, particularly last two weeks.
Let's not forget how how they were able to get
after Peyton Manning. So this is this isn't just hey,
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we had one great game. Uh and in the last game.
They're gonna play the Raiders this this week. They're eight
and six, so they're still relevant. I'm talking about the Bills. Now,
Let's assume they beat the Raiders, even though it's at
the Raiders. Then they play Tom Brady and the New
England Patriots. Is that the real test to see can
you indeed shut down Peyton Manning? Aaron Rodgers, and and
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and Tom Brady. You didn't mention Derek Carr. He's writing,
you know what, I probably should, but I'm dismissing him.
But let's just assume Derek Carr is not quite ready
for the Hall of Fame. So, uh yeah, that's gonna
be the real test, isn't it. Absolutely? And so you
know they're still fighting for a playoff spot. It's kind
of crazy. I'm looking at it here. Twelve out of
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the sixteen teams in the a f C are still fighting.
Now how about the playoff spot? And that's what makes
this so awesome. You know, I don't want to say
there's parody in the league, but the way it's scheduled,
in the way we dry often, the way we do things. Boy,
there's twenty one teams that are still involved, twelve in
the a f C, and the Bills are one of them.
They're still fighting. Let's spend it forward a little bit.
Is there anything that the Bucks with the Lions can
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take It look to me like they played a lot
of two man and we had a lot of drops
that was uncaracter. It's as well. I mean, Jordy Nelson,
he's never gonna he doesn't drop them. He had ninety
touchdown had he caught that ball. But it looked like
they were playing a lot of two man. Is that
a formula think they could give the Packers? Is that
their receivers? You know, other than Randall Cobb, they're not
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going to get away from press as well when they
got that help. I'm just trying to spend this forward.
Is there something structurally we can draw from it? When
you know this, when you play two man against an
athletic quarterback, you better have your front ford contain him
because when he when Aaron Rodgers takes off for Cam
Newton or some of these athletic guys that can make
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plays with their legs too. Man, you got everybody running
right and you've got safeties watching the quarterback. So couple
of those tip passes that you saw ended up getting
tipped to the safety that was playing zone behind all
that man stuff. So you know, I don't know what
you can take from this other than the three teams
that really made Aaron Rodgers look like a human being.
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We're Detroit, Seattle, and now Buffalo. Just three good defenses,
just three three great defenses that have good fronts that
kind of make him throw the ball a little bit
sooner than he wants to, and they minimize the damage
after the catch, and uh, they have given him. It's
not He's got to play Detroit one more time in
the last game and that's gonna be the thriller in
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Manila because that's gonna determine who wins that division. Uh.
And one final thing obviously, with regards this, and because
I hate it when people say, well, do we have
a template now? And yeah, if you had a good defense,
you got a template going forward. Uh. But but with
regards to Pittsburgh and the job that they did against
the Green Bay Packers, um, one thing that did surprise
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me was Eddie Lacey was pounding it. I thought, Okay,
this is this is what the Packers hasn't had before,
and we it's what we've been patting. Mike McCarthy and
the Green Bay Packers on their back a little bit
about just shoved Eddie Lacey down their throat that first
drive and a half and then he looks like he disappeared.
It's like they kind of got away from it. Yeah,
and that surprised me because they were so good early
pounding Eddie Lacey and then I don't know if Eddie
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Lacy got beat up a little bit or what, but
they didn't. They didn't stay with that formula. Uh, you know,
because you got to throw the ball sooner or later
with Aaron Rodgers, because really that's what you do best. Well,
we've got to we've got to move on to the
topic of the day. And I'm gonna make a coach
just show promise to the people that listen to us.
We've got to do it today because and I can
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hear Mike Mayock just screaming in my ear anytime we
talked about Tim Tebow, Why are we talking about a
guy that can't play in the National Football League? We
got to talk about Johnny manzel But I agree, you know,
it's a hot story. But after this, until he does something,
why are we talking about a guy that can't play
in the National Football League. Let's let's talk about what
we saw? What what? What do we know about Johnny
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Manziel after this last week. I was very surprised, Brian.
I I bet you were too, because I just go
back to when I was evaluating him in college and
he was dynamite and even when he played against the Bills.
He had some success. He scored a touchdown against the Bills,
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drove him a couple of times, um, but he was
he was really terrible. Let's call it like it is.
And in in this game he looked overwhelmed. To me,
his he he lacked disciplined with his drops and his progressions.
This ball right here, he threw it right before the half.
All he has to do is throw the ball away,
they kick a field goal. At least have something positive
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before halftime. This was a read that he just missed,
which is something that we expected him to be good at.
And so he just shocked me. Now, Mike Petton says
he's gonna start him again, which I guess you gotta you,
don't you. Yeah, I mean you got to find out
the next two weeks you do. But Brian, what if
he what if he starts doing the same crazy stuff
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and and he just looks like, Hey, this guy is
not ready, and don't you go back to Hoyer see
if you can win the game. Poff right? Well for me,
going for We talked about this over the last couple
of weeks and it's turned out that way. But that's
just what Happenstance to me over the next two weeks,
this job one. Can this guy play? Can I see anything?
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I just want to see one thing, even if that
one thing is him scrambling around, scoring a touchdown, running
and not coming up and giving that money sign anything.
I'll take anything that says, Okay, maybe this guy can
be a starter in the National Football League And he
only got two games. Don't you have to know that
in Cleveland? Because if we get to if we get
to the off season and we don't have an inkling
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that he can play, what do we do? You find
somebody else? But you know what, remember the Buffalo Bills,
you know, had d J. Manuel the young quarter back,
and all of a sudden he wasn't quite getting it done.
They made a change and that seemed to work out.
They'll go back to e J eventually. So I think
this is a little bit of a tryout, an audition,
so to speak. And yeah, you try to make it work.
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But I'm just saying because he looked he I mean,
he looked bad, all right, and he'll be he was
really a stand up guy in his press conference and
he said it. He said, as no excuses, I was bad,
and so um I don't know. But here's the other
thing about that whole game. I was a little surprised
about their offensive game plan Brian. I thought, for sure,
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because he's such an athlete and good at it, they
would run more read option. Al Right, he messed up
the first one, he got hit for seven yard loss,
and they didn't go back to it much at all. Okay,
that was one I was curious about that. The other
thing is, why don't you run your play action movements
and keeps and get him out of the pocket like
we saw him in the preseason. We saw him against Buffalo.
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He's very good from the run. Let the guy see
something and on the perimeter instead of staying in that
pocket and where it's very difficult to see. I thought
the game plan was a little uh weird for me.
I would have used him to his skills and helped
him out a little bit with those sort of things.
I'm gonna do something on on Playbook and Playbook Prime
Time this weekend, talking about the old boots and waggles
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that we all run and for a while there, you know, uh,
we go back to our all our mentors. Bill Walsh,
it said that game that play is dead in the
NFL in terms of and we all run in preseason,
right because it's a nice safe way to get your
quarterback with a fake and get outside the perimeter and
have the deep guy have the cross or HI have
the shallow. But now because the read option, you see
it with the fake and then you're seeing the read
option fake and people and there's always a crosser and
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there's always a guy into the flat. It's it's been
reborn in the league again today. And you're right, there's
no question that he would be very good at that.
But then here's my question. Okay, great, let's let's cater
ourselves to Johnny Manzel doing that. What have we learned
is that the can we win doing just that? Can
we win in this league doing what Johnny Manzel does? Well,
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this goes back to the Tim Tebow. I don't think
you can. Okay, So so you're you're you're suggesting, is
you you just stay stubborn with keeping him in the pocket,
training him to be a pocket passer. Well, I think
you have to use you turn on the Seattle film
and and Russell Wilson doesn't make a living solely from
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the pocket with you, And I knew you were gonna
go there, go ahead, go ahead, and so and they
move him around, not to mention he moves himself around
because that guy scrambles like fran Tarkington and Johnny Manziel
needs to learn escape routes a little bit better too.
But you know you got a guy under six feet
and Russell Wilson. Here's another one now, Johnny Football. They
need to play the game a certain way because they
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simply won't make a living like Peyton Manning and like
Tom Brady from the pocket. So you have to adjust
your game plan. Kyle Kyle Shanahan did that with r
G three in that first year when they won the division.
So you gotta be a little bit creative. And this
is why the hair on the back of my neck
or going up right now, because I know for a
fact every fiber in my body says, when Cleveland was
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deciding to trade back up and get him with the
twenty second pick, somebody in that room, coach or or scout,
was saying, this guy can be Russell Wilson. That was
the benchmark. If Russell Wilson did not exist, if he
had not had the success he did, I'm convinced Johnny
Manzel wouldn't be taken with the twenty second pick because
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there's somebody saying, oh, he can be Russell Wilson. In
my opinion, Johnny Manziel is not Russell Wilson. I've seen
nothing to indicate that he has and I think Russell
Wilson will and can't evolve to where I see enough
basic skills from the pocket to think he can do that.
He does the other stuff really really good. I just
see nothing in Manzell's game to think that he can
progress that way. All right, let's rewind this thing, though,
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Brian Bill, Like, let's rewind it a little bit, because
when we were talking in the draft the year Russell
Wilson came out, here's this guy, right that transferred from
NC State and the sons in and he he did okay,
but he's short, and all of a sudden, you go,
he's the third round guy. He's one of those guys
you draft for depth or whatever that is. So he
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wasn't Russell Wilson until he won a super Bowl. And
now he's like, the short guy can win a Super Bowl.
So and Johnny Manzelle's career in college was unbelievable. You
know that every time you watch that left tackle position,
Luke Joco or Jake Matthews, I kept watching the quarterback.
This guy is amazing, and let's try to evaluate the tackle.
And so that's why I'm a little bit surprised about
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his performance. You know, Brian, I'm hoping that what they're
at Carolina, I'm hoping that he plays better, more like
what we saw in college, because otherwise I'm gonna be
shocked because all of our evaluations about his magic, you know,
like Doug Flute he had um, will be out the window.
I hope his confidence hasn't been shaken. I don't think
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it happy. Let's say, let's say, obviously playing not playing
as poorly as he did Son, But let's say the
next two weeks, he he gets out there and they
play the Panthers and the Ravens now Panthers defense is
looking better, and that Ravens group now they'll be looking
their chops and they're likely going to need that win
as well. Um, let's say he looks okay, you know,
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he completes fifty of his passes. He has uh, Let's
say over the next two games he has four touchdowns
and seven interceptions rookie type numbers. And I don't mean
that in a to slant in a certain way, but okay,
he plays at that level, and he kind of looks
like a rookie. All right, I'm Cleveland. What do you do?
I don't know, you know what, I think? I don't care.
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The problem. The problem lies with who else do you have?
Because Brian Hoyer is a free agent. If Brian Hoyer
was a guy that was under contract for another couple
of years, you'd keep Brian because you know, you know
what you got there. You know he can win some
games for you. He's pretty steady, and then you continue
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to try to develop him. You know, again, like Buffalo
did with E. J. Manuel, you had this Kyle Orton
kid that's playing pretty well. A veteran guy is either
world beat or no. But he's good enough. So yeah,
they have some big decisions to make it. Like you
said earlier, let's play this guy in two games and
really see what we have. But my point is if
he appears to be overwhelmed again and just like crazy,
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I'm gonna try to win that game because I'm still
in this crazy playoff hunt. Yeah, I don't. And again
he's not. He's cool and confident and like, no, you know,
I always say a rookie quarterback, I want to see
just enough panic in his eyes for him to recognize
that that he doesn't know enough. I want to see
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a little just enough fear and I don't I don't
mean panic, but enough fear to show me that you're
smart enough to be afraid. And because that concerns me
that he hadn't enough to be afraid, smart enough to
be afraid. Let's move on to the to to this
one um week fifteen. Obviously it's some great compelling games. Uh,
let's start with the most the biggest win over the
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over the weekend. Whoa the biggest win I'll start. I'm
gonna say it's the Cowboys, you know what? Me and
in road winds and for them to go into Philadelphia,
particularly after just seventeen days ago getting whooped by the Eagles. Uh,
and for them and not only yeah, they got the
big turnover early and they got the twenty one point lead,
but then Philadelphia came back and then two drives. Man,
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they didn't panic. They came back. They handed the ball
off to Murray. They recognized you know what, see that
Bryant guy over there against that other guy. I'm gonna
keep doing that. You know sometimes we coaches complicated. Well, no,
they'll know, Uh, keep going back. I was very impressed
with the way they handled that game. I was surprised
how Philadelphia chose not to help on des Brillant. Come on,
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and then they're playing these corners up and bump and
run and and he's going by Fletcher and those guys
like crazy. I mean, help him out a little bit,
will you? And so yeah, this was that was a
huge statement win for the Cowboys because they got blasted
on Thanksgiving Day. But remember it was a short week
of practice after a Sunday night road trip, and that
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Tony was banged up. He didn't take a shot that game,
he told us, And this was a long week of preparation.
They looked fresh, they looked dominating, and and I was,
I was, this was the Cowboys. That's uh, it looks
like a very well coached team. You know what. The
team that I was impressed with the Seattle Seahawks. You know, yeah,
they're the champs. Okay, they're the world champs, but you
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know what, we're gonna be talking about this all the
way through the playoffs. They lost a bunch of guys.
Now on both sides of the ball. I thought they
would take a step back. Uh. And early in the
season they did lose some games, but they looked like
the real deal. Now again, they're on you know, they're
hitting on all eight cylinders, beast mode. Look at this guy.
You can't knock him off his feet. And you've got
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you've got the rival game and the Niners coming up.
And the Niners are kind of the bad boys too.
You know this is these are two heavy weights and
Seattle just took it to him in every way, shape
and form. And and I'm impressed with this team. This
is a scary team because they're so physical Brian on defense.
On offense, they play smash mouth. And this guy right here,
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Russell Wilson, he's the key. Let's face it. He throws
the ball down the field better than he should because
he doesn't. There's Baldwin. You know, he doesn't have a
great supporting cast with his receiving corps, but he makes
plays and he can make him with his legs, make
him play that well, that's why, and that's what I'm
not going back to the old conversation. But just those
players you saw right there from the package, he started
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the pocket, he stepped back, made the throw down the field.
I've never seen Johnny man'ze'll make that throw ever? Ever. Yeah,
and even in college, that just wasn't what he did.
But I'm with you. How on Seattle they well, let
me ask you this then Seattle obviously at home, I
can't see him. But he going to Seattle and beating Seattle. No,
Remember the green Bay Packers went in there for a
first for game, and boy it was I feel the
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same way about green Bay at home if it went
through Lambeau. Do you have as much conviction about someone
being able to not beat Green Bay and Lambo the
way you have the conviction about somebody not being able
to beat Seattle and Seattle. Yeah. I think I think
whoever gets home field is gonna win it. I think
I'm back on that. I think the Packers could beat Seattle.
Uh in Lambeau the way they've dominated. Heck, they score
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enough points by halftime to win every game over there
in Lambeau, but they just really look pedestrian. You know.
I thought I thought green Bay would handle the weather.
Better than they did in Buffalo. They did not. I
guess it was just that defense that they couldn't handle.
But yeah, you know, right now you've got you got
the Seahawks and the Packers seated fifth and sixth. Me
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I believe personally they will be one and two before
it's all over. Those two teams will be one and
two and then, uh, it's got to go through Seattle
or Lambau and what orders it in is gonna be huge.
I think it's fascinating that Philadelphia, if Green Bay or
excuse me, if Dallas can beat in and then you
gotta figure they're gonna win and be in the game.
We could see, uh the Philadelphia, who's a darn good
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football team, actually end up out of the playoffs. I
know it. There are seven really good teams in the NFC.
Somebody's gonna be left home that really could or should
be in. You bet. You brought up the forty Niners,
And let's let's talk about because it is a coaching situation.
You you live there in the Bay Area. Where where
are we now that they're forts are officially eliminated? Where
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are we on the Jim Harbaugh saka do you think
I want, I don't want to believe that they've exhausted
all avenues in terms of talking this out. I wish
to God that John York and Jed York and Trent
Balky and Jim would sit down, you know, a man
and man little bottle of wine and just say, all right,
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let's talk about it. Let's lay everything out on the table.
Because right now, guys, we have a good football team.
Will be healthier, next year, will be whole, We'll be
a competitor, will will be a contender. There's no doubt
about it. Uh, you know, And I don't. I hope
that that's gone by, and I hope that that's still
a possibility. But everything that I hear that this this
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coach is wanting to be somewhere else, This organization prefers
to have somebody else, and I and I don't. I
don't get that I'm not there every day, and I
don't know the compatibility issue that exists or non compatibility issue,
but right now it seems like it's in a tail spin.
I'll throw in the the other element here, the cynic
and me the business beside of me that you know,
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I would love to thank old school like you and
I grew up. Yes, we can sit down in the
room and like, man, we can sort this out because
we got a good thing going. But Jim Harbaugh goes
someplace else. He may be the first ten million dollar
a year pro football coach that the money indeed is
a factor that staying in San Francisco, given the ruptured
problems they have right now in terms of the relationships
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and the contract negotiate because remember this kind of back
with some contract negotiations. But now I'm in a position
if you trade me someplace else, I'm going in I'll
have total control of that organization. You gotta pay me
ten million dollars a year. Well, first of all, I
don't think he's gonna get ten million dollars a year.
And secondly, I he might get total control. It would
depend on where it goes. But you know, for Jim,
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for Jim, outside of the money that you're talking about,
he's not gonna go to a better team than he's
on right now. Right you know that, And so sometimes
that money leads you to an average football team, and
so which means what in three years. Let's remember though
he's a former player. I think Jim Harbaugh has a players.
You and I grew up as coaches strictly as and
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he grew up in a coaching family. I get that,
but he's got that player mentality about I gotta take
that dash for the cash. Now, you're gonna show me
respect by paying me the money. That's the only way
you're gonna show me the respect that I'm due. I
think there's enough of that player mentality and Jim Harbaugh
that that's a factor. That's too bad because it is
because because the reports I'm hearing, and you know how
(25:03):
the reports are. I don't know if I believe some
of it. I it's hard to believe that he wanted
to be a year ago the highest paid coach in
the in the league. And I don't get that. I mean,
you're telling me that he deserves to be a higher
paid coach than a Bill Belichick or any of the
any number of coaches who have been to multiple Super
Bowls and won them. So I don't I don't want
(25:23):
to even go there. But uh, you know, yeah, should
he be compensated fairly? Absolutely? Will he get it somewhere else?
I suppose he will, But he's not gonna go to
a team that's loaded like this. This San Francisco forty
niner team has more Pro Bowl guys on it over
the last three years than anybody in the league by
four players. I mean, it's like this is a talented bunch.
(25:45):
So whoever the heck is gonna get this is gonna
get a good football team. Let's finish with that with
the great job that Bruce Arians doing his quarterback dilemma.
I mean, he showed great passion after the game. We're
gonna do this with whoever Ryan Linley or whoever they
played now, because God forbid, Palmer goes down Andrew Stanton
goes down. Let's just get a chip in about the
(26:05):
job Bruce. We We've been saying it every week, but boy,
he is passionate about we're gonna win with this group,
are they? I can't help but think back that when
Dick Vermio lost Trent Greden to an injury, and you go,
we're gonna rally behind Kurt Warner and we're gonna be
a good football team. Remember he was trying. He was
trying at his press conference and so and they ended
up win the Super Bowl. But you know, Bruce Arians,
(26:27):
you know he's got to be the coach of the year.
He's had so many issues outside of the quarterback position.
But this Ryan Linley kid, he's only been there a month.
They signed him after Carson Palmer went down. And he's
a better bet than the rookie usually veterans are. And
so but gee'z to play the Niners in Seattle again.
They're probably not gonna win those games, and then they're
(26:48):
gonna be a playoff team. I think they're hoping to
get Drew Stanton back. I hope to God they do,
because he gives them a chance to win. They've got
a good defense. I mean, you know, they've got a
real good defense, and and uh, let's see what happens.
It's really unfortunate they go from eleven and three to
try and make a yard with a new quarterback. Let
me write that down because we have it on tape here.
(27:09):
Steve Maci says Ryan Linley is the next Kurt Warner. Well,
that you the same you told the story. What are
you telling me here? Let me I gotta tell you true.
Though we've played, we were the first team to play
that eventual Super Bowl champion St. Louis rams Dick for
a meal, they we started Kurt Warner, and I stood
on the midfield before the game and talked to Dick
(27:31):
for a meal and to Mike Marts and they both
told me they deny it, but it's a fact I
got no horse in this race. They said, you know what,
we got this kid Warner. We hope he holds on
because we got this kid Justice. Uh, they got from
Arizona State that we just hope until he learns the
system to come in and replace this Warner kid. So
that just shows you none of us knows anything. How
(27:51):
about that anything? Well, that'll do it for the Coaches Show.
Make sure to join us next week. We'll cover all
things in the NFL here on the Coach Show for
Brian like Steve Maruchi. Come back and see us next week. M. M.
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