2020 NFL Draft Recap & which division will be the most fun to watch?

Dave Dameshek is joined by Matt "Money" Smith, Handsome Hank and Eddie Spaghetti via video chat for a mid-week DDFP! The show starts off with Handsome Hank talking about how his Miami Dolphins won the Tua Tagovailoa sweepstakes and why Money's Los Angeles Chargers were comfortable with drafting Justin Herbert (4:50). Next, they kibitz about who is a threat to win the AFC besides the world champion Chiefs (14:28) and which division are they most excited to watch next season (38:16)? The guys round out the show discussing if Tom Brady would be selected first overall in an all-time draft (55:00) and Money reads some Eddie Spaghetti Tweets (1:03:32)

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
It'll go touchdown to a tongue of my look David.
The Dave Damashick Football Program available on the Apple Podcast
and at NFL dot com slash g DFP. Now here's

(00:21):
your host, Dame. Oh it didn't work out that way. No.
Two is a Miami Dolphin high and hello and welcome
to the Dame Damage Football Program. My hope balls, Well
wherever you are. You stupid smile. Shut up with your
stupid smile. Don't worry Bolts fans. You guys got your guy.

(00:41):
Just to know you, guys, I got your first choice.
You got you got your guy, unless you're asking Aaron Rodgers,
who wasn't the guy. But if you're asking the Steelers,
you better put it through Ben Roethlisberger, because, according to
a lot of the national media, Ben Roethlisberger blocked the
Steelers from drafting his success Sir. Even though this stealers

(01:01):
are basically that they feel that they already have his
success or at least an intermediary until they get there
get that new quarterback. Any who, let's get into all
of it. You already heard his voice. He is the
voice of your Los Angeles Chargers. Also one half of
the finest radio show in all the land. It's Mad
Money Smith. What's the poop fella? Oh? Just coming off

(01:23):
a pretty enjoyable drection, not pretty, very enjoyable three days
of an NFL draft. A big huzzah to all that
put it together. I thought it was the best looking
draft we've had in a long time. Enjoyed being in
living rooms. I of course for the NFL YouTube channel
and NFL dot Com was doing each day reaction shows,
and then we just posted the draft grades on Sunday

(01:44):
and the power rankings post draft posted today this Wednesday,
as a matter of fact. So I've been a busy week,
but a dark fun week. Well we'll get into justin
Herbert and beyond in just a second. Next up, though,
let's our our own little sweepstakes here on the d
DFP finally settled. I know, there was a lot of
outside noise, a lot of alleged insiders reporting that they

(02:06):
knew that the Chargers were really not interested in getting
to and the Dolphins also they were ready to let
him slip, and actually they had it in for Jordan's love.
That's where they were going. This was all the buzz
from all the industry insiders. Damnit Shi got it right
in the end. I told you it would be to
and Herbert Tool would not survive past the Chargers pick

(02:27):
at six. He went one pick ahead of that. They
always had their eyes. The Dolphins did on to A
and now they have him. Let's hear from our resident
Miami Dolphins fan all the way from London, England's sequestering
now in Westchester, right Westchester, California. It's handsome, Hank. Look

(02:51):
at that. See he's already that. That is epic controlling there.
First question, answer, most important question. Now that you're in
uh in camp Two, are you advocating like some in
Miami are that Dan Marino, the finest quarterback in Dolphins history,

(03:12):
should relinquish the number thirteen and give it to his
his pal to it the the opposite Dave Somewhat. I
did see that this morning. I advised the person that
tweeted that to delete their Twitter account because I think
that is terrible, unbelievably bad idea. Every quarterback, the twenty
one quarterbacks that have started for the Dolphins since Da
Marina retired twenty years ago, have all had to suffer

(03:33):
the comparison to Da Marino. So Why would you put
the guy who you know is definitely the best of
them that we've drafted or signed to date under the
pressure on microscope of giving him DW. Marino's number, and
then when his name, his first name has a number.
In to uh, why wouldn't he wear the number two?
The problem solves itself. He does not need right. You're

(03:55):
so right about that. I have always lamented that well
until he arrived i'ved in Baltimore r G three. It
was such a natural Why did he wear ten at
any point? Shouldn't have been Robert Griffin? And then maybe
an arrow point on the number right that would have
been the smart move there. Yes, to Uh, I get you.
I don't know the spirit behind wanting the Marino. The

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franchise is all time great. To give up his number,
I'm not sure I get the spear behind that. The
worst move that I can recall, what ego? Why? Well?
I guess there have been more things, um driven by
one's ego, but um, a pretty bad one was when
Jerry Rice said, Okay, I'll come to you Seahawks, but
I want you to pull that a d out of
the rafters that that you've retired for Steve Largent, I

(04:40):
need my eight Like no, then don't come here, Jerry
right just in the answer, Yeah, I didn't get that one.
So you're happy with your draft handsome, of course. I
mean from the top down, you know, like like, well,
you know what, uh, when you're retrospectively, when you look
at Drufts, it's only ever gonna be that you're cool
about hits then the whole draft little bit of success.

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But I think that the Dolphins did a nice job
of giving him pieces, especially on the offensive line, that
can help keep him healthy. If that's been the first
biggest issue about two. I don't think people are questioning leadership.
I don't think people are questioning you know, his his
playing ability. It's been can you stay healthy? And what
they did was give him a bunch of pieces on
the offensive line, um to to ensure that he can

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stay upright. I mean, listen, it all comes down to
modern science, specifically modern medicine, and you know the it's
not a direct comparison. So it's a little foolish on
my part to say it. But but but I've said
foolish things before, and I'm going to say it here now.
Peyton Manning remember when his career was over. I know

(05:47):
that was a neckache. Every that the point, my larger
point is twenty one century medicine has come a long way,
you know. And uh I I'm putting my faith in
the you know, the clean, the relatively clean bill of
health that too, it was given when he got injured
back in in November. And no, none of us are doctors.
All the vast majority of people weighing in from afar

(06:09):
on he's injury prone and all that. The guys I
always point to not playing the same position, or Fred
Taylor and Frank or two guys who were known to
be that would they'd be great, but they're injury prone,
so you can't rely on them. And that that they
had two of the more extended twenty first century careers
out there. I just think it was all nonsense all along,

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and um money, I would disagree with that, actually, David, Yeah,
I don't. I don't think it was nonsense. I think
it was just risk factor, you know. I think that
that these teams and and kind of the way I
look at it is by by the reluctance of both
the Dolphins and the Chargers to trade up. And when
you saw that the Lions on the clock and the
Giants on the clock that they were quote desperate to

(06:55):
make a trade back with the Chargers of the Dolphins,
and neither of them were willing to give up even
as second to go up to get to Uh or Herbert,
and they were all content to take whichever passer was
there when they selected. I think if I think if
the Dolphins were dead set onto Ah and not Herbert,
they would have traded up. I think if the Chargers
were dead set onto Ah and not Herbert, they would

(07:17):
have traded up. And I think each of those two
prospects carried their own risks and offered their own rewards,
and all three of those teams, Bengals, Dolphins, and Chargers
were very comfortable with whichever of those three was going
to be there for them. I think I think if
you know, because because I think if you would have said, hey,
to heck with the medical, who is the guy? Because

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clearly from his body of work, he is a much
better prospect than Herbert, just based on what he did
in college. And I think if you were going to
say we're good with the medical, you would have given
up that equity. I think you would have said I'm
going up to three because Detroit wants to get out there.
Still going to get a couta I've got to get to.
But I think it's still carried some risks. I think
Herbert still carries some risk because of you know, accuracy, touch, anticipation,

(08:04):
just kind of quarterbacking nuance issues that he has too.
With the medical that the teams were like, you know what,
let's not give up anything extra. Will take the guy
that's there for us, and that's the risk we're willing
to take. That's kind of the way I because otherwise
Miami would have traded up if they onto what they
would have traded together. I think a great NFL they've
what if if, you like, would be um if the

(08:26):
coronavirus outbreak hadn't happened, where we would have seen those
guys go, because I don't think it would have been
that the Dolphins if they were if they'd had a
chance to to do the medical evaluation in full that
they wanted to do on tour, and they then come
out of it and been like, we're fine with it,
and of course every other team had been able to
do it as well, I don't think they would have
been able to stand five and still take him. I

(08:48):
think they probably would have had to trade up with
the Lions, or you know, all the charges would have done.
I don't think he would. I don't think he would
have gone at five. Well, you're more plugged in. You're
obviously not more plugged in with Palasco and what they
were doing. UM so I heard both. What I was
told was both rooms were split, that that there were
factions of the Miami Dolphins front office that preferred Herbert.

(09:12):
There were factions of the Chargers front office that preferred
to but there were also factions that preferred Herbert over
to in the Chargers room, and there were factions obviously
in the Miami room that preferred to Aver Herbert. Kind
of the best way I look at it for for Miami,
they did not trade Minca Fitzpatrick and Laramy Tunsel to
select Austin Jackson and Noah Anogamy. They traded them so

(09:34):
they would have capital to go get to our borough.
That's why those deals were made, to ensure that they
would have the equity they needed to go get a
quarterback to finally replaced Dan Marino. And when it finally
came down to it. They recognized those assets as you
know what, we're going to stick here. We're good with
any of these guys, and we'll get additional players as
opposed to having to use that capital to go up

(09:56):
to get the quarterback. I wonder though, I wonder though,
what I was gonna say with Talasco and if there
was some sense, because of the unique conditions this year
to handsome point, if there was some sort of a
sense among the g ms around the league. Listen, we
can't pull off trades. It's just not it's not the
same as it might have been a year. Pray like, oh,
we can't know where it's hard to manipulate draft positioning

(10:19):
this year because of the circumstances. And so remember David
Chargers traded into the first round. They traded two picks
to get back to get you know, they were comfortable
given up draft equity and talking to him. You know,
we talked to Tlasco earlier this week and I asked
him that, I said, was it you know, we had
heard the Giants were desperately trying to get out. Clearly
you were comfortable given up draft equity to get your guy.

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Was that an issue? And he said absolutely not. We
were just comfortable knowing that we were going to get
either Herbert or two uh, and we were fine with
whichever one was there for us. So because you know,
and then I also think that was a product. This
is something we talked about extensively right going into this draft.
I have never seen more people, front office people comfortable

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with fifteen players, you know. So I think when the
idea of hey, I've got to give up a bunch
of picks and a very deep draft where you're talking
about getting first round talent in the mid to late
second rounds to go up, or I can just sit
here at ten or twelve and feel like I'm going
to a top five pick in terms of grade in talent.
I think that's what made this more of a unique

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draft as opposed to the actual logistics of it. Yeah,
it's interesting to consider, um, if the the because I
thought that they might go once to a went, I
was not going to be surprised if they went Isaiah
Simmons there and instead they get that hybrid kind of
linebacker ish kind of playmaking defensive player. Anyway, so I

(11:45):
think for the rest of the time that's going to
be the cop right that for the Chargers fan out
there is that how the draft could have gotten. They
could have gone Isaiah Simmons and still got in Jordan's
love presumably if they had wanted instead they get Herbert
and the and the kid that they got. It's kind
of similar pieces, right, Yeah. I think I think with

(12:05):
with Simmons, ultimately, what what they had decided was that
he was too close to Derwin, that that those two
were fount that were they were And for me personally,
I don't care. So put two Drwin's on the field,
I'm good with that. But I think by trading back
in to get Kenneth Murray, um, what you see is
they just wanted a little bit more size that that
they weren't comfortable with two d thirty pounds, that they

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wanted that level of athleticism at two fifty pounds, which
is what Murray's playing at and still is supremely athletic.
So they play so much Nickel um that I think
you're probably gonna see a lot of Drew Tranquil and
Kenneth Murray on the field with that sixth defensive back,
and I'm guessing that might be Desmond King or the
guy you know the kid Gilman they took out a

(12:48):
Notre dame. If he can step up immediately this year
and play that sort of six defensive back row when
they're doing dime and obviously with the signing of Chris
Harris as the nickel corner um, that's kind of the
way I look at it, and and kind of my
understanding not to continue to believe at this point, but
is they had a gap. They had those three quarterbacks
that they felt were pretty close to one another, and

(13:09):
then I think there was a pretty good drop off
to Jordan's Love and Jalen Herbs is there next to right,
and they have an immediate need at quarterback as well
as not where where love wound up going. With Aaron Rodgers,
they can obviously afford to sit him for one to
three years and let him learn. I don't think Jordan's
Love was anywhere close to being a prospect that you
could say, let's put him on the field. In what

(13:30):
reality are you perpetuating handsome the twenty one century? I
felt sit for three or four years. Aaron Rodgers did
that forever ago. Now the start of his career. I
didn't play three or four years. I said one or
two years. Okay, but I mean, like yeah, the the
idea that I mean justin Herbert kind of in my opinion,
is going to have to play if the Chargers are

(13:51):
gonna challenge tapping into the optimism that that led them
to use the sixth overall to get him. The assumption
is that he's going to have to play if they're
going to vanquish the Chiefs, which leads me to this question.
Now that we have almost everything this side of cam
Newton and Jadeveon Clowney settled and Yannick and Gokway and

(14:14):
I don't can't think of in Leonard four net. So okay,
there are a couple of things that can still happen,
but we have ent of the required info. If the
Kansas City Chiefs do not play in Super Bowl fifty five,
who will be representing the a f C. Handsome I
start with you, Um, I would say, I mean it's
Ravens or Cults would be the two teams that I

(14:37):
would look at as the as the next to off
the off the blocks. Money is paid to say the charges,
so we can you know, I think I think reality. Um,
I'd love to say the Chargers, but to me, it's
the Ravens. I mean, I think they had the best
draft of any team uh in the NFL. It is
it's just it is remarkable to me that that you

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can attack someone as talented as Patrick Queen to the
Ravens and say, hey, this is a perfect Ravens big
and other teams don't take him. And then when he
winds up on the Ravens and becomes a perennial All Pro,
they're like, you know, it just continues to break right
for the Ravens. It's like that was did you ever
want did you watch that guy playing snap? Did you
see him blow up guards at two pounds? And then

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did you see him track down running backs running sideline
to sideline, baiting toa into a critical interception in that
game against Alabam Like he is a brilliant lineback middle linebackers,
you know, we we undervalue them and you can't select
them high. And then the Ravens take him and they go, oh,
they did it again, and they never understand it. Then

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they get JK. Dobbins in the second round. Then they
do what they always do with The Ravens do as well,
if not better than anybody in the NFL is they
just load up on the on the line of scrimmage.
They get those pieces and all of us and those
guys are at our rotational guys in because they get

(16:06):
Calais Campbell and Derek Wolfe and so now Ravens defense. Well,
I thought the Ravens, I thought Lamar Jackson and that
offense would thrive a year ago. My question was could
the defense support it. You can't very well go on
nine minute drives, give the ball to the other team,
have them score in three plays, and then be into
that kind of equation. You have to be a defense

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that breaks the will of the foe by you go
through an eight games were settled for the Ravens and
very often applying this sort of ten minutes stretch which
or or or eighteen minute stretches, eight minute drive by
Lamar and company, three and out the other way, give
him the ball back. The offense gets scutchy. The other

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teams watching from the sideline while they just put ten points,
fourteen points. The game's over by halftime because they just
ground you into submission. Um and I got, well, the
defense is now lost in pieces. They're gonna fall back in.
I don't know about I'm curious to see if this offseason,
um instead of watching Ozark season three, if defensive coordinators

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have spent it just watching what the Titans did. I
guess it's a question we won't know until the season starts. Well,
and that's that's the flip side of the Ravens is
you gotta take that good with the bad. Is if
a team gets up on him fourteen, nothing, it's over.
You know, Lamar Jackson just last year. Now, he's gonna
have to improve as a passer. He just was not
capable of directing those or at least they didn't show

(17:36):
it to us, right those three minute drives when you're
down fourteen points in the third quarter, it was still
that you got to run this offense that consumes the clock. Uh.
And that's what we saw on their losses. Um So,
but obviously it was a huge jump from year one
to year two. A lot of people are pointing to
the you know, the same path that Patrick Mahomes took
Year one, awesome, Year two wins the regular season, m VP,

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Year three wins the Super Bowl. A se matures as
a quarterback. Maybe Lamar Jackson is already you know, he's
got two of those steps. So perhaps this is the
third step now. But but certainly he's still got to
become a better passer, or maybe he doesn't. When you
add Dobbins, who anybody that watched the national semifinal against Clemson,
you know, if Dobbins doesn't turn his ankle, he is

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ready through the Clemson uh defense like it's like it's nothing.
I mean, it was a hot knife through butter. I
think the guy had two sixty plus yard runs in
the first half before he rolled that ankle. Um and
with all that talent on Ohio State, it looked like,
you know, they were in a position to get to
that national championship game before he got hurt. So maybe
they're just going to continue to run their offense that way.

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They're comfortable with it. And and like you said, they've
by fixing that defense with the trades and and the
draft picks that they got, they can slow down that
other team and find it nearly impossible to get themselves
into those ten fourteen point goals that they can't climb
out of it. Boy, that defense out of be mighty
there have Yeah, I mean that it's interesting that, um,

(19:03):
it felt in parts like teams were trying to see
if they could draft pieces and and get guys that
are going to allow them to play who can score
the most points you know in a in attract meet
against Mahomes and company. But then the other side of things,
the way the Ravens are built is, Um, it's like
you say, it's more old schools as I always write

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a Big eight style. I mean, by the way the Chargers,
Ers and Colts have four mighty A f C defenses.
That's the thing is, you know, nobody played the Chiefs
better than the Chargers did defensively last year. Pat Mahomes
didn't throw for two yards in either of those games.
And and you know, and I think one of the
reasons why they traded those two picks for Murray. I

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mean really they traded a third right because he would
have you know, they he basically is their second rounders.
So they trade the extra pick to get Murray because
Mahomes beat him with their let with his legs. I mean,
that's essentially what did them in And both of those
games was when he was able to ache off and
their linebackers just did not have the speed to track
him down. So, um, they're built defensively, I believe, you know,

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with the addition of Chris Harris as as the nickel,
you know, with a full season from from Derwin, with
the addition of Kenneth Murray, I think they are built
to slow that team down. The problem is do they
have the firepower, you know, to score twenty four points,
which is probably the minimum you're gonna need to beat
that team and the chief and the Chiefs added another

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piece in Clyde Edward, who was my favorite player to
watch in college football this year, who I think, can
you know it's going to take that offense up another
gear and you know, and to give and you read
even more time potentially before between now and the start
of a season that may be pushed back to work
out how to how to put that rookie into the
offense and who knows what they'll be able to do. UM.

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By the way, the opposite of Roger Daltery, who doesn't
want to get fooled again or insist he won't UM.
I think America. I think a lot of people in
football America follow that path. Because they were all in
on the Browns in ten. They're not gonna say it again.
This is the year the Browns are gonna be good.

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They're gonna be good, right, I mean, how what's the
army I do exactly. It's like, well, they just never
are that their draft is good. A lot they do
like that. Freddie Kitchens is no longer their head coach, um,
but they look they their top two picks, Wills and
delput Are. Wills was my favorite offensive lineman in the draft.
It was fun. It was I candy to watch my

(21:32):
kai back did tape, but just you know, I was
I was fortunate enough to fly around the country on
the Chargers charter with Daniel Jeremiah while he was doing
all of his research for the draft and when he
was doing old Line and we were kind of going
through all these guys, Jedrick Wills and at the time
Leatherwood was their left tackle that some people thought were
coming out. Wills is fun to watch, man. He that
guy is just as flexible as a big man as

(21:54):
you've ever seen the wave. He flips his hips. Uh,
the guy is never on the ground. And I think
you combine that with the fact they got Conklin and
free agency, and look, that was always the problem, right,
what do we say going into last year they got
no old line and they got we have no idea
what they got coaching wise, so they certainly have more
stability at the coaching level. And I think they got

(22:15):
the best offensive lineman in the draft with one of
the best free agents in the offense. I have a
good question off of that, but real quick to mention
what if? And um, I wanted to to mention that
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(23:01):
in not just one boobs opinion on how pro football
might have been impacted if we flipped some seminal events
in league history, but everybody weighing in on it, um
cold case style, so good times. They tell me, tell
me what what A couple of topics that you tackled
um as a as a team. UM, we didn't remember well,

(23:23):
we did a little while ago. UM pre pre Rhona,
we did the We revisited then draft. What if Andrew
luck had come out when he was, you know, supposedly
gonna come out of Stanford after his junior year, then
decided to go back if he had UM just as
a thought starter, he very likely goes to Carolina, which

(23:44):
means cam at number two goes to Denver Um the
greatest draft probably of all timeleven and it really sets
up a domino effect with with some high end quarterbacks
of the last decade. Russell Wilson probably doesn't wind up
in Philly because the because Peyton Well maybe winds up
and see I'm sorry winds up in Philly because Peyton

(24:07):
maybe goes to see Well. Anyway, listen, watch it. We
do the reception, We do tough rule. Um, it's it
really is great and shout out doubt he's listening. But
Anthony Smith, the producer, UM really did Gangbusters work and
it's fun to watch if you like the movie seven.
We shot in the same space where Freeman and Pitt

(24:28):
work in the In the movie seven. They're there the
police station. What's used is where we shot that. So
he didn't commit You didn't commit any of the of
the seven Deadly sins. Vanity is always with you, and
and greed and lust. In fact, I can't imagine you
took off any gluttony. Glutton I mean if I haven't,

(24:50):
if I have been at least gotten five of them,
Thank goodness, I couldn't name them for you, or else
I would be able to confess I. Um So, anyway,
be on the look out for that much. Appreciate it.
If you'll watch it. I think I think you'll likely
enjoy it if you like football. Um Now, the next

(25:13):
question is the oh, you know what, let's do a
quick what if here I was thinking about this. We've
kind of floated this one. We don't need to do
the a f C side, but as recent as we
can go with pro football, as I have said, if
the Patriots stopped the Dolphins in Week seventeen, then they
are the two seed and the Chiefs of the three seed,

(25:35):
and Baltimore is the one seed, and Baltimore would have
beaten Houston in the second round. That's who they would
have gotten. If you, uh, if you accept the premise
that I just laid out there. They would have beaten Houston.
They whipped them once already, So it would have been
Baltimore at home on a cold day in Baltimore because
I've looked up the weather and I forget what it was,

(25:55):
but it would have been raw and bad for a
team that wants to throw the ball to become an there.
I think that the Ravens would have gone to the
super Bowl. I don't know who wins the Chiefs at
Patriots game, but either way, I think the Ravens would
have won that. I think they just didn't get untracked
against the Titans. That was the perfect storm for them

(26:16):
to walk into, especially taken the week off and everything.
I think they would have gone to the super Bowl.
The Ravens would have. And I wonder how that then
would have impacted the draft because in the copycat league,
I think Jordan's love goes there. A decent case can
be made the Jordan's Love goes in the draft because
of the copycat effect. He looks physically when he throws

(26:38):
the ball so much like Patrick Mahomes that you knew
that there were gonna be some teams out there like
we gotta try to get the next Patrick Mahomes, and
I think Jalen Hurts maybe goes in the first round.
If the Ravens go to the super Bowl again with
the first applying that, and I bet you somebody would
have spent big money on Taysom Hill to get him
out of New Orleans again trying to apply well, let's

(27:00):
do what the Ravens just did. They got to the
super Bowl. That all went away. The other side, the
NFC side, who goes to the super Bowl. If Seattle
gets the stop at the one foot line against the
Niners in Week seventeen, the Niners would have been the
five seed. That would have meant Minnesota, Green Bay. I'm
sorry I wrote it down. Seattle at New Orleans, San

(27:20):
Francisco at Wait, I'm sorry, see I get confused. Wait
here it is. It would have gone Green Baby Saints.
The two that would have been Minnesota at Seattle in
round one, who fellas the and then San Francisco at Philly.

(27:41):
If Minnesota, I'm sorry. If Seattle wins that game, which
I think they would have done, right, they would They
played them pretty cool. The vikings off your recalled played
them pretty close. Earlier in the year. I think that
was a Monday night game. Maybe, but but okay, Seattle
wins that one. It's Seattle at New Orleans, San Francisco

(28:02):
at green Bay. Is your NFC Final four. Who goes
to the Super Bowl? San Francisco in the Lambeau and
then and then they go up to Seattle. They absolutely
green Bay does them both times. They couldn't slow down

(28:22):
that rush at that they couldn't. They had no answer
for it. I agree with that. But you think the
survivor of Seattle at New Orleans would lose to the
Niners in the title game. It's interesting at least. Yeah,
I guess I was just thinking of that one matchup.
I don't think Lambeau poses any issues for the forty Niners.
I mean, they manhandled the Packers and both of those games,
and I assume they would do the same. So then

(28:43):
you would end up having forty Niners at the winner
of it. Maybe in the maybe, but yeah, I guess
at that I would take the Saints. Yeah, so I
would say we probably would have had Saints versus ravens Um.
I'm pretty interesting that just a couple of very small
place stop DeVante partner. Want um stop the Niners from

(29:06):
punching it in there and you have a completely different uh. Um,
you know the Super Bowl in in Miami. Um, that's
that's dressed one by. Now. That's why I like the
idea of one by, because you know, the Chiefs really
deserved that by, I guess so. You know, they had
one of the best records, but it was clear the

(29:28):
Ravens were the one seed, right and same with the Fortins.
You know they end up like you said, they get
the one seed as opposed to with all those close
games and and I just I don't know. I like
the idea that only one can go, that you have
to have to prove yourself amongst all other comers, you know,
the other's fifteen teams, that that you were the best

(29:49):
in order to get that huge benefit in the postseason,
as opposed to happen to them. All. Right, Eddie Spaghetti,
open up your mic. Why don't you Why don't you
say hello? Why don't you be social? I'm just sitting
back listening to the great draft talker. I don't know, Eddie. Eddie,
I saw I saw one of your tweets there during
the draft best tackle and best safety in the draft.

(30:12):
I'm quite pleased. I'll come out and say, Dave Gentleman,
so every what do you want about him in his
style and and the things you've said, And it may
be absurd, but he could draft and he got the
hog miles he wanted. He not only set the team
up for this upcoming season but for a very long
time with getting a left tackle, a right tackle, a

(30:32):
gardener probably transitioned to a center. Uh. They got McKenney
from Alabama to play safety, who is basically you know
they try and straft Atlanta Collins years ago in the
second run out of Alabama, But I think McKenney is
a better pass coverage safety than Landon Collins was. Um
Darny Holmes from u C. L A. I think is
a pretty good pick up to a quarterback, even though
they're pretty deep there. So it wasn't a flashy draft.

(30:54):
You know, there's no way of being picked two our Herbert,
but they got the job done and I'm I'm you know,
it's it's boring but smart, so I'm good with it.
I Uh, my only issue is Andrew Thomas. I don't
I don't know how you have that guy graded higher
than than Beckton or Wills Um or really and I
mean I can see worse. There's some people that are
concerned about Worst and his issues with resetting that he

(31:16):
might have to kick inside and no DJ is one
of those guys. A lot of people are talking about
right tackle. But I mean, you know Thomas, like I
just don't you know, our our colleague, Joe Thomas Um
said the saint like you know kind of echoed debth sentiment.
It was it was odd that that was the guy
they wanted when they had the pick of the litter.
It just seemed like the other particularly Wills Um, just

(31:38):
just look to be a much better prospect. I was
okay with Wills if they kept them at right tackle,
but I don't. But Soldiers not gonna find Soldier won't
be the Giants left tackle for much longer. Thomas was
the pure left tackle who will play left tackle this
upcoming season? Um, if there's football, and I think that
worst they put that qualified and there will be football

(31:59):
worse and more of the intire guy. I don't and
I think honestly after the Eric Flowers mess, and I
know this is a different regime for the Giants, but
I don't think they want other project at left tackle,
so I think Thomas was the guy they just trusted
all along. Um, you know, played at Georgia for you know,
three seasons, and he hasn't. I think the last time
he gave up like two pressures in a game was seventeen.
So I mean, I'm I'm okay. I watched plenty of Thomas.

(32:21):
I'm cool with him. Um. Like I said, it wasn't
a flashy draft, but it was what was necessary and
I'm cool with it. And Gedlan not only with the
Panthers and the like. He's found guys everywhere, so I'm
I trust him. I would be surprised that not to
not to pee and your your Hope bowl, they're spaghetti.
But I think the Cowboys. I thought this a year
ago too, so obviously take it with a grain of salt,

(32:43):
but I think the Cowboys look like the best team
in the NFC right now. Yeah, I think I will
slay the Niners. The Niners, I mean, I guess it
comes back down the Jimmy G and I was a
big supporter of his. I was on board much more
with Jimmy G in twen all the way through the
play and most people were a lot of denigration of
the guy. But I mean, I think, well, I thought

(33:06):
he was. I I think he did it ignored a
lot of people who were putting him down and ignored
that he was making big throws in big spots and
big games against really good teams in the second half
of the season. Really, I mean, it was like all
came down there. Well, he was. He didn't do well
against the red Skins in that rainstorm in the first month.
I he just he threw some bad interceptions. I think

(33:27):
there was still there was still enough issue there that
that hey, this guy clearly isn't seeing everything he's supposed
to see. And I also think that Kyle Shanahan was
a little bit limited in what he was willing to
ask Jimmy to do. Um So I think, but again,
you have that luxury, you know, And I guess that's
the one issue with Jimmy g not to kind of
make this that conversation. And by the way, I love
their draft absolutely. Williams right, Yeah, And I love I mean,

(33:51):
I use anybody that watched Pack twelve football in Arizona State,
that guy is electric with the ball in his hands,
and you kind of see what you talk about copycat league, David,
what the Chiefs do and what the Rams did on
their their march to the Super Bowl. Just so much
pre snap motion, the idea of having both Debo and
I you can, and all the pre snap motion they're
going to do with those guys on the ability to

(34:11):
use them as outside receivers, slot receivers, running backs. Those
jet sweeps. Um, it's really a compelling weapon to go
along with, you know, Ken Law who replaces I mean
it is it is great. By the way, I'm sorry,
I don't want to uh I get I get attacked
on this show and then on Twitter after the show

(34:32):
for for mentioning black and Gold related matters. But I
do want to say that the o G of the
jet sweep, that's pretty ubiquitous at this point in the
NFL is Matt Canada who college football fans SEC fans
will remember his failed venture down Da l s U.
Prior to that, he was he kind of invigorated the

(34:52):
pit program briefly, um by installing exactly that jet sweep
kind of action. And I think that, um that if
you look at with that in mind, I think the
broad Strokes copycat thing. If I made Dave if I may, Yes,
if I may, just because he's one of my favorite
people of all time. Mike Riley is the guy that

(35:15):
really brought that in. He brought it in Oregon State
with the with the Rogers brothers Brothers and Quiz. That's
kind of where all of that came and it's and
it's just it's it's a great story. That's why he
went down to recruit James and he was like, this
is the guy I need to do what I want
to do with the offense and all of that pre
snap in those jet sweeps and while he was the hair,

(35:36):
he's like, Hey, who's that guy that's built like a
rectangle And they're like, oh, that's James brother Quiz. If
you want James, you gotta take up with you. And
he was like, all right, I guess I'll have to
take that kid then, and Quiz ends up going up
there and becoming one of the great board and state
beads of all time. It's funny. Um well, of course
either way, core Wallis is close to Canada, so the
point state the the Yeah, but yes, I think that's

(36:01):
exactly right that uh I you looks like one of
those guys that all function like that. And I think
that you see George Kittle getting involved in some of
that stuff last year in nineteen. I think that the
receiver that the Steelers get, what I was gonna say,
is in broad strocks. I think the copycat thing is
this the notion of like what is he like? He's

(36:22):
a football player? And I don't generally go in for
those serious football man kind of phrase things, but I
think that that is what Derwin Jay well, he's done that,
what play Isaiah Simmons? What he's a football player? That's all?
That's all that matters, the honey Badger and so on.
I think people fancy the idea of using guys that
are I'm patriots of obviously thrived doing that. And I

(36:44):
think that people do that, and I I would say,
the Steelers fans specifically, who keep hitting me up? What
do you think about this? And I look at it
as a mosaic. I you know, the Steelers typically or
you know historically with Chaz Nol and otherwise, best player
available was the thing. That's not the way Colbert has
consistently done things. If you look at it as need positions,

(37:07):
I think it's if you imagine those guys with in
that offense. I think they're going to trump do some
more spreading out of things that that you saw with
Roethlisberger in UM, they're just not built at this point
to try and hammer teams, which I think is a
bit of a mistake. I wouldn't have minded them going
for Leonard Fournette, but people criticizing the draft, um, I

(37:30):
would have liked Dobbins too. But I can also see
what the specific additions that the Steelers have made add
to the way they're composed for the season. But by
the way, it all comes down to whether or not
Roethlisberger is healthy. That everything else is is nonsense. But
it leads me to this Eddie spaghetti we talked about

(37:50):
the Giants. So you get the nfc S because that's
your rooting injury, Handsome, you get the a f C
set your rooting interest. I am a f C North money,
you are a f C West. You get to watch
that because that's your will, either professionally or at your passion.
You can only watch the games of one other division,
which which one is it? A f C West? Handsome,

(38:17):
I love it. I mean I want to watch my
homes Anyway, I love the Charges and I like how
that team is built, um and I'm interested in seeing
how Justin Herbert does that. I think the Rate has
improved themselves and and the just a team that's that's
kind of fun to watch at the moment. I think
the Broncos had a fantastic draft, and if you look
at how they are from a year ago, I think
I think that Division is is full of improving teams

(38:40):
and it's gonna be while the Chiefs remain, in my
mind the best of the flour, I think it's going
to be competitive. I don't know how good Drew Lock is,
but what they should do is or consider at least
is Cam Newton. Remember there was some heat about Cam
at some point to Denver about two or three years ago.
I mean, I think you generated what a crazy what?

(39:01):
What a crazy what? What a crazy collection of offensive
pieces they suddenly have in Denver? A Hey, I mean
what did division? So? Okay? So you're going I think
I would push back on Cam, and I think the
better move for them would be if when not if,
but when Andy Dalton gets cut, you know, because that's
that's that's a basketball team, right, You need you need
a distributor. I mean, when you look at what they did,

(39:21):
you've got one of the best axes young ex receivers
in the league in Courtland Sutton, who's just, you know,
not a fifty fifty guy, but a guy he's so big, uh.
You add you know, your Z and Jerry Judy, who
is one of the most precise route runners we've seen
come out of college in a long time. And then
a slot you get your burner handler. You add and
Alvin Gordon Philip Lindsay is already gonna accomplish back Noah Fan,
the super athletic slot tight end from last year. You

(39:44):
need a guy who's I think accurate, quick decision making
distributor as opposed to an athlete like can like to
me that that would be if they're not sold on
Lock and Locks a tough one, right because he finishes
the season at four and one. He's got some really
nice moments over the course of those last five games,
but he's also got some rookie moments where you're like, yeah,
you know, there's the accuracy issues, there's the touch issues.

(40:06):
So that if you know, if I were l way,
that would be the guy I think of all available
options right now that I would go after and but
see then the problem with that is then you how
far do you set yourself back like once you put
Andy Dalton in there? Unless Andy Dalton is going to
be your guy for the next five years, what are
you doing to the growth of what looked to be

(40:26):
a pretty darned promising start for for Drew because you
signed Cam and he's your starter, you know what I mean?
If you signed Dalton, you can say, hey, this is
a good Jamis Winston style back up sort of mentor
for our young guy. I don't think you can sell
it as that. Right when you bring in Cam, I
think I think you let Drew Luck play this year
and if it doesn't work out, then you go all

(40:47):
guns blazing for Aaron Rudgers off season and say, look
at the pieces, like everything you don't have in Green Bay,
we've got for you here. You throw all your chips
on the table and say we want three more years
of Aaron Road. I hear you, but but but do
you hear yourself? Money? It makes sense what you say intellectually,
but then, but take a step back. You're advocating for

(41:08):
Andy Dalton over Superman. Think about that and the over Superman,
what are you talking about? I mean that's uh, money
makes sense, money makes it. But wait a second, So
you're you're just buying a name, You're buying a name brand,
Yes you are. I mean, like Cam has had some

(41:29):
serious injuries shoulder, foot, and if he can't run, if
he's not that athlete, you don't want him to be
a pocket passer that's asked to distribute balls on time
and kind of direct that style of offense. That's just
not what he is. That's not what his strength is.
So I think based on what you have, the team
that you've built, I don't know if that's to me,

(41:52):
like that just doesn't seem like the answer Cam would.
And look, it could be different, right if this wasn't
the age that we're living in. You can bring Cam
in and your doctor pulling on that foot and twisting
that shoulder and making sure if he's a percent healthy,
then okay, I'm willing to conceive that that you can
take that swing. But I just think, you know, combined
with what that does to luck to the quarterback room,

(42:14):
I don't quite see that as being the look. I'll
tell you this, Like Cam has been an m v P. Right,
But Andy Dalton, I think he's This is gonna sound
ridiculous now you've you've hit it on the head. He
has been a very consistent, solid passer. You know, the
team has been in contention, they have made the playoffs

(42:35):
multiple times, and he's done it for the Bengals, you know,
not like it. It's not like he's had some sort
of you know, pillar franchise that he's that he's been
able to kind of play under to help him get
to these winning records into a couple of postseason berths.
The benefit of low expectations rears its head now, a
couple of years beyond Marv Lewis, Andy Dalton still benefiting

(42:57):
from those low expectations. I still look for to him
landing up in Foxboro and uh and when to really
drive Patriots and specifically Brady Fans crazy. Um uh so,
what's your answer their money? Are you gonna go n
FC South? I think I'll probably go a f C North.

(43:17):
I think would be the most compelling the return of Roethlisberger,
the that you know, another full season of can the
Ravens do it again? Or did defensive coordinator's figure at
at plus Lamar is just arguably the most fun player
you know not named Patrick Mahomes or he's one and
one eight with him to just watch on a weekly basis.
I am as always interested in the Browns situation and

(43:40):
I love Joe Burrow so like to me, it's it's become,
you know, neck and neck. I think with the a
f C. West is the most interesting division, at least
just from an entertainment standpoint to watch. I agree. I
think most people would say that you have a clear
cut fourth team there in the Bengals. But you know,
our mutual pal money Hey texted me the other day

(44:01):
to say, be honest amongst us friends, with our little
group text chain that we have going you, you don't
think that the Steelers could actually defeat the Ravens in right?
And I'm right, yeah, Well, what the the the optimism
that Lamar Jackson offense is going to thrive on the
same level this year as it did last year? I

(44:22):
think is a is a little bit of a reach
and it all comes down to seven. But the bottom
line is, I agree with you. I find it awfully
compelling and just because the Browns didn't do it last
year when all the world expected them to do. It
doesn't mean that this ain't gonna be the year I
have happened to think it will be, Um Spaghetti, what's
your vote on this one? Uh, NFC West, I think
because you have Kyler at the Cardinal's emerging, you find

(44:46):
the Rams were just in the Super Bowl, and I
don't know if it's me just being fooled, but I
still believe in Sean McVeigh and they still have enough
young pieces there and they have Donald and Ramsey, two
the best players in the NFL. UM I would prefer
never to miss another Russell Wilson football game every and
I think he's just to watch. And then you have
the Foreign Honors for just in the Super Bowl, and
I really well run an organization. I think they'll be
around for years to make with Bosa and you know,

(45:09):
despite Akroppolo's you know, faults, I think they're still gonna
be a pretty solid team. I think it's a pretty
fun efficient to watch. Yeah, like the KNFC East is
always fun too. I'm with you about the rise of
Kyler Murray and company. I think that's gonna be a
lot of fun to track, and it's fascinating by the
well I think I think that. Um. I think when

(45:34):
Push comes to shop, yes, it has the falcons, and
part of the equation is that you have to look
at those atrocious uniforms all all season long. Then it's
gonna be like, I don't know, like you're you're really
when after all this, especially seequestration and everything else. You know,
beggars can't be choosers, but there might be a moment
of pauseit like I gotta watch the game that has

(45:54):
those uniforms in it. Um. And yeah, I I think
Caroline is suddenly interesting because I know you're big on
the rule train money and they just completely load up
on defense under the assumption that that rule is going
to make that offense go. And it's hard to argue
in the short term with CMC back there and like

(46:14):
you say, a trigger Man basically, with all those interesting
pieces that they're gonna have out there that'll be fun
to watch. UM. I think one that, of course, Brady
Slash Breeze and you know Brady n Brady V. Three
is interesting and all that, UM. But the the other

(46:36):
one that will throw ut I'm with you. I think
you know I'm I'm biased, but I'll obviously already get
the a f C North, but I find that four
times over really compelling. Um watch coming up here, but
the a f C East, I mean, we we It's
kind of like, um, you know, there's this thing was

(46:56):
forged twenty years ago, and everyone like, wait, maybe sanchiz
As Jets might challenge them, But it's been the Patriots
for so long. I mean, all of a sudden, are
the Patriots gonna be in fourth place? That storyline by
itself is intriguing. The Dolphins are gonna be fun at least.
I think it's kind of like saying I want to

(47:19):
watch a galaxy be born, Like you know, this is
the beginning of something entirely new. The one one era
is over, I think in in Foxboro, and then everything
else is kind of is forming at the moment. So
getting on there and watching that as it starts up
and maybe heats up a whole new run of those
rivalries in that division where essentially that hasn't been arrival

(47:41):
for the Patriots, as you say, Dave, so everything it's
been the Patriots and then who cares what happens with
the rest. I think it'll be fun to watch that
and be on that train. To start with, there are
a lot of people saying, oh, our team should assigned Jamis,
our team should have taken a run at this guy
or that. I think the biggest, maybe the worst move
that wasn't aid by any team this offseason so far

(48:03):
is that the Jets didn't let Gaze go. I hate
to advocate for seeing a guy get fired, but if
they would have gotten Eric b Enemy, we would be
I think we'd be singing songs about the Jets right
and and how good they have a chance to be.
This season as it is, it feels like it has
a ceiling on it because of the Gaze factor. I
think the Jets, though, I mean again to some degree,

(48:25):
and bell do something and you know, you know, Greg Williams,
the defense played so well down the stretch. Um, you
get a couple of big pieces back. I think the
fact that got backed in is going to do wonders
for Levy on bell Um. You know, Denzel Mims, I
think probably isn't quite ready yet. You know, according to
most people that that you talked to Um, but at

(48:47):
six three and a sub four or four guy, I mean,
that's a nice big target. Finally for Sam Donald, so
I totally. I think you know what it speaks to.
It's a point that you've made repeatedly day, and that
is that perhaps we're at, you know, kind of quarterback saturation,
and no matter what division you pick, it's compelling because

(49:08):
of the quarterbacks, right, Josh Allen, Sam Donald. I'm even
excited to see Jared Stidham, who I thought was the
best rower you know, at the Combine two years ago
for the Patriots, and obviously two of you go to
the North. What happens with Rabisky versus Fulls, you know,
as a healthy stafford and now kind of an exciting
weapon for people who didn't watch a lot of DeAndre
Swift to be in the backfield with him. Like every

(49:29):
division you can make a case for as being exciting,
and I think it's because of the quarterback situation. That's
refinitely what starts it. And again people continue, I don't know,
like these things get forged in people's brains and then
they can't move on from them. But that's exactly right.
You have to keep that in mind that I don't
know about the listen, the one year from now or

(49:52):
fifty one weeks from now, they are going to be
arguably two better quarterbacks available in the draft or you
know up there who you would debate around the guys
who just went with Burrow and too Uh, Lawrence and
Fields are freaking huge, Like Lawrence is the best quarter
with Sander Luck it's I mean it's that that that
that's and that's just gonna be two more guys, you

(50:14):
know between those two that get added to the pot.
There was a big drop off after the eight three
draft class that people forget how bleak things got in Uh,
in guys who were worthy of first round draft picks.
And you even knew that then. I mean, guys like
Gail Gilbert were getting drafted in the first round by
the Seahawks. Those are ridiculous in hindsight. Um, but yes,

(50:36):
these college quarterbacks that are slinging it all over the
place playing that spread. Yes, maybe there's some limitations in
terms of of the complexity and how that translates to
the NFL. But at minimum they're slinging the ball all
over the place every Saturday. They're equipped to come in
and year one make an impact. Don't worry if the
you know, whatever your team is, if you're wringing your hands,

(50:58):
but our quarterback you're gonna get. You can create situations
to get And by the way, Jamis Winston, you wanted
to get him. He's on a one year deal, Go
sign him. And by the way, things don't work. All
of them. Don't make it. They don't. You know, Josh
Rosen didn't make it. You know. That's it. It's ober.
You know I'm not ready just because of your confirmation bias.

(51:24):
It's over. It's done, you know, it's that's it. It's sad.
It may not be his bult it may not be.
It may not be because is no good, but his
value is diminished. If Jim Plumpkin and Ryan Tannehill get
another shot at it, so too should Josh Rosen. Now
here's my my last thing. Had shown something in the
first opportunity. But yeah, against some handsome hates has always

(51:47):
hated the all time tract that I do. But I
think that it really Why do you that it's fun?
It's a fun exercise right now because with the Michael
Jordan document, just listen to what I have to tell you.
If we said, and I say, I know money is
going to get in the way of this, and so
you are wrong. That's ridiculous. In the end of the day,

(52:13):
he's on your side. Then let's listen to what I'm
telling you. In the NBA. If you said, now people
are seeing Michael Jordan's some young uns like Gatty have
no idea what Michael Jordan actually looked like at That's
not true. That's simply not true. I've watched Michael Jordan's
I was, I was more than the last dances based

(52:33):
on the night a minute, but I remember with the
bo you have no idea, that's it. Your your floor
as a child to actually remember and process what's happening,
in my opinion, is ten to twelve. I've got to
be at least like ten eleven, twelve years old to

(52:56):
be able to say, wow, that's only like anything I've
ever seen, and I may never see it at six.
That's pretty that's fair. But I'm saying I do remember
Michael Jordan Bulls, I remember Patrick going Nick's. I remember
you know Alongzo Morning Heat. I remember the NBA n
NBC like theme music like that is all in my
brain Utah Jazz that stocked him along. I remember all that,

(53:16):
like not in a way where you can process what's
happening like you like I remember Underdog and and jabber
Jaw and you don't like I remember him, but it
was on the screen that I was trying to figure out.
That's fair remember it though. That's a fun that's a
fun exposing kind of question your earliest sports memory because

(53:38):
it really date you. But I think that well, I
was just gonna say, I remember Reggie Jackson hitting the
third home run against the Dodgers, and before that, I
saw Tony Dorsett play in college. I remember sitting in
Pitt Stadium with my old man. That was nineteen sevent six.
I'm decrepit. Now. Here's here's my thought experiment for you

(54:01):
now with the information now, with the the added um
impact of seeing these highlights, with Michael Jordan's, if I
said who you can take any player in NBA history
with the first overall pick, there would be a debate
between Jordan's and Lebron and Kareem and Shack. Right? Would
that be about the debate? Right? But there'll be some

(54:23):
very shock Jordan's Lebron would probably be your Big Three, Okay,
NHL can take any player in history, Gretzky. I mean
the changes in the game make it so that Gretzky
wouldn't probably be as valuable anymore, but people would like
that in the day you can't help yourself. Well, I'm
just telling you there would be a debate between Lemieux

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and some wise acres would float of Echkin, then they'd
be wrong and Crosby and that would probably come down
to that baseball you know, say pictures say you know whatever, whatever, football,
here's the crazy thing. Here's the crazy thing. If you
said you could have and you know exactly who they
are now, I'm not saying you're guessing looking at them
at age twenty and trying to evaluate. We know everything

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we know about Dan Marino and John Elway and Brett
Favre and Tom Brady. Take anybody you want to be
the starter the phase of your franchise. I don't think
very many, if any NFL g ms would take Tom Brady,
even knowing what they know. What does that say is
that the ego of the gms like we can fix
this guy. Yeah, Marino didn't win his entire career, but

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if you give them to me, I'll make him a winner.
No one would take Brady, right, Do you accept that
that that's true money? I think it's a fat point. Um,
that's tough. I don't know, you know, I don't know.
I think there there is something about that intangible that
you play cool under pressure, that that you win the

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games you know that that are in front of you,
and you have an ability to rise to the occasion
and not allow your emotions to affect your performance. I
think there is something very valuable about that asset. Uh
and and I think the last Dance kind of showcases
that here is a guy like just the little things,
like you know, Doug Doug Collins saying I'm in I'm

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in New York at Madison Square Garden and Jordan tells me, hey,
I'm not letting you lose your first game, don't worry
about it. And we're down eight and the guy scores
ten points in the span of two minutes, so I
win my dab Like that's that's that's the difference, right,
that's the difference that that he was the guy that
pulled off those sort of things. Um even willing, after
being pulled out of a game in the fourth quarter

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against the Pacers, his team to win a game they
had no business winning so they would make the playoffs,
just so they could get swept by the South. Like,
I think those are the sort of Brady intangibles that
I don't know how front office folks would would value.
Agree though, right, but you agree that the bottom line
is that they wouldn't take him. They would still think,
Oh no, I'll be better off with Blank. Oh give

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me Steve Young, give me Dinny Russell Wilson, give me.
By the way, Joe Montana wouldn't get drafted for That's
what I mean, Like, that's what we're talking about. And
these are two of the great winners in the history
of football. I don't know, I don't even know what
it says, but I but I feel pretty certain that
that's the case that I I like, I guess it
comes down to, like the what is your choice? I think,

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who combines the winning and the the ability in the
perfect measure to be that guy? Um, it has to
be a quot about right, We're not it's not going
to be another I mean, I I mean, I think
I think lt would get some considera consideration, right, I
mean maybe, like mean Joe or I don't think Dion

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would be probably And it's the it heightens the irony,
not coincidence in this case fellas this is truly ironic.
I think it would be the one guy who makes
everybody's top five, even though he never won a Lombardi's
Dan Marina see I disagree. I think, as much as
I love Marie, like the other guy, knowing what you

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know right now, you have to make the pick. I
think some gms would take my homes I would take
out a way I think it'd be. I just think
he had both of those things in the right measure
of the extreme physical ability that you're like, okay, I
can't look away from that, and the winning thing where
ironically the winning aspect was actually more apparent when he

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was dragging bad Broncos teams to lose in the super
Bowl than it was when he won the Super Bowl.
But I think those two things what would bring our
way to the floor. And as much as I love
Dan Marino, and we'll probably make that choice myself, my
head says that lay would be that don't forget that well,
I mean, we don't need to go into that distant
history that people wouldn't care A lot of people don't

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care about but Marino, I do remember at least a
couple of pro franchises calling up the damna a house
task my old man for some insight on Dan Marino
with all the rumors that were going on at the
time that combined with his lousy senior season relatively speaking,
when Folge Phasio came in after Jackie Cheryl moved on
to go to Texas A and m Um. But if

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you would ask after their respective junior years Elway and Marino,
it would have always still probably goes one, but it
would have been a lot closer. It would have been
a Marina without all the like, what's going on? What
does he do on Friday nights? Um uh kind of stuff.
Marina would have obviously got ahead of kind of and

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all those guys probably would have been a jet at minimum.
Um spaghetti very quickly. Your answer on that one, I'll
take Lawrence Taylor, so he reached havoc on all of
your quarterbacks. No, I'm kidding, I'll take It's not It's
not a terrible pick. I think Reggie White as well
as like is someone who who changed every game that
he played in, Like every offensive coordinator had to factor

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in the Reggie Reggie White on the other side of
the field. Um My heavens. It was very gentlemanly. He
was it and uh and so I would include him
on the list. He's got to getting a vocal two. Um,

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So all right, yeah, I was taken Edie are you taken? Oh?
He said he was kidding, right, No, I mean I
would take Lawrence. So I think it's a smart pick up.
I have to take a quarterback because I has to
make sense, not take any quarterback. You're not a quarterback. Listen,
let me tell you something. I was born in ninety two. Okay,
remember a grid Iron. Why wouldn't I take Mahomes? Pepper

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Johnson done? Next Homes would be Lawrence Taylor because you've
you've actually been able to watch and process and understand
how how great a player he is. He's physically better
than the other guys you've all mentioned. And so I
think I would just take Maha. I would disagree with that.
John John Elway was in a in a category that
that was just it's stupid, Like how big, strong, smart,

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athletic passer, like what that guy was able to do?
Guys bouncing off of him when he was running around.
I mean, that guy was ridiculous. I know he would
be on your list, Dave, but the other one that
would come up, and I don't think you'd be on
my list. But it's crazy not to include him as Peyton. Oh,
I thought you're gonna say Drew Brees, and then I
was gonna get no. No No, I definitely not drees Um.

(01:01:25):
That's fine, but I will always say it's interesting though.
I think Eddie brings up a good point. The small
sample size we we have and what he's been able
to do in just three seasons is ridiculous, Like you know,
you're projecting forward. I mean, it's not that it's not
a bad answer at all. I will say again to
put a little save on the emotional wounds of Packers

(01:01:48):
fans right now on behalf of Aaron Rodgers. This is
the thing that plagues a lot of NFL gm s
and it dates back to Alway Um and Marino Handsome.
You know a little history class Handsome. One of one
of his great points in the history of DDFP is
that Marino is that Sula Blewett. You know, he never

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he never helped out Um. You know, the all time greats,
a guy who may stand is the greatest of all time.
If things had broken a little bit differently for him,
and the same goes for Alway and Handsome just made
that point too. Sometimes GMS personnel guys get a little
too comfortable, and that is the thing that distinguishes Peyton
from all the other guys on this list pretty much

(01:02:33):
that it feels like, I mean this thing about did
you just see that thing this week that came out
like touchdown throws to first round draft picks Peyton Mannings.
You know the number that he has. It's crazy how
many more you know? He had Marvin Harris right, but
I mean he was like mart for what it's worth,
and the Mars maybe getting the same treatment that Marino

(01:02:56):
and Away got, like they haven't that too reliant on
his his skills, um and and not really surrounded him
with the talent, whether it's on the offensive line at
some points of his career or with the weapons that
he's had. He suddenly made some players better. Um And
and the defense had that one year where it was stella,
but that hasn't always been because because we're coming up

(01:03:18):
against it here real quick, I do want to I
do want to squeeze in and eddie Spaghetti to at
at Edward L. Murphy tweet date. Ap uh hm, I'm
gonna make sure get this cleared out. My kettlebells and waited,

(01:03:41):
vest I ordered in the beginning of March, are finally
coming in time for my birthday in May. So I
have that going for me, if I'm not mistaken. There
was also a Twitter version of what we experience live
last year in Nashville, when Spaghetti cursed loudly when the
name Niel Jones was mentioned. Twenty minutes later, Daniel Jones

(01:04:02):
shadows our door, our little spot, and they're fast friends
and arrest his history true on Twitter, if I'm not mistaken.
The day before the draft, Spaghetti, you said, well, just
I better get ready to pretend to be happy about
drafting a safety and an offensive lineman. Then you rejoiced
about it the next day, so that's pretty good. No,
I haven't changed in that stance. It's it's the same.

(01:04:24):
It's just like Hank and and Money are. It's it's
fun for them. They took a quarterback, like uh, you know,
it's it's a way different feeling you would take a
left tackle. It's like a guy who you will never
really hear. His name was because of a sack for
ten years. It's like, hey, Eddie, Eddie, if I may,
that's interesting, that's great. What are you gonna do with

(01:04:44):
kettle bells and a weighted vest like that? It was
kind of plan. Why are you so excited about the
going up before your birthday? What are you doing here?
I wasn't being I wasn't. That was like a sarcastic
to you because it's been delayed constant late since the
sarcasm and the tweet is when they arecasm. Everybody out there,

(01:05:05):
don't you know what sarcasm is? Geez uh. And that's
my other New Yorker that I'm doing an impression of,
by the way, But but again, you ordered them. What
are you going to do with a weighted vest and
kettle bells? Work out? Okay? What are you doing with
the weighted best? I'm gonna do my at that. That's

(01:05:25):
like a three point five ish mile run my neighborhood.
I pretty much jog up to Melrose, going down Melrose
for a while, down Fairfax, come back home much just
the best way. This was adjustable between a twelve and
twenty pounder, So you want to it's like a forty

(01:05:47):
minute runs. I'll bring some snacks, that's not a bad idea.
And then the kettle bells, just to do some back
in my I have like a little, um, I guess
community yard kind of park area thing over where public
workout with the kettle bells. Well, I'm gonna go in
like the parking. I hate that it gives the anxiety,
so I want to go all away in the back
of it, away from the street and so no one
could see me and do it there because I need

(01:06:08):
to do something like what are they called Hungarian get ups?
And uh yeah, I mean I'll probably just do this
stuff like you could just do curl shoulder press like
that kind of stuff with them. Uh love this. I
just it's just a release from doing the same thing
every day and not doing weight. So I feel it's
I'm going slightly crazy. So I need something to take

(01:06:28):
video of it and post it. I would like I
would like to get like I'll let you in. And
I had an idea that I thought was pretty funny
and obviously I can't really do it now with the
with the shutdown, I wasn't really I guess in the time,
I thought that the parks would be open, they would
allow you to you know, do whatever you want there.
And I was gonna do like a like an uncle

(01:06:50):
Rico from Napoleon Dynamite, like passing academy. And I was
gonna have my girlfriend being and I was just gonna
throw like laser passes to like to her dropping in.
I was gonna edit together like a highlight real for
the draft, and I just obviously with the laws, I
couldn't do it. Yeah, but still a workout video, Eddie.
I want your peddle, but I want to and and
a meal and a meal prep thing. I want to

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all Eddie workout and fitness plan. Um, yes, please provide
that video, handsome muscle tub on to thank you very much.
I gotta wait myself real quick. Oh yeah yeah, zo
to eighteen point one. I don't know whether I'm down.
I am one eight seven as of last night. Oh

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I have lost some weight one fifty nine point two
full grown man allegedly. Yeah. I think that's time torn
a wind start hit money, otherwise we may not be
able to find you there bird legs, wait there, come on,
you want to know how you get to be? There
is nothing in the trunk. You know what you could use?

(01:07:59):
I got it for you it's called the weighted Best
and it's a kettle belt. Okay, well listen, well Money
critiques everybody else. He also gave himself a haircut this week.
You can go in on that spaghetti. I don't want to.
I think I'm the last person to someone's a terrible

(01:08:20):
I don't recommend it any tips money, because I have
to do it. As you can see, I will give
you some tips. So here's the deal. You buy the
clippers with all the guards, and there's a photo on
there of a guy with a nice looking head of hair. Yeah,
the one that's the longest. Your hair is not long.
It's still very short when you use the longest guard.
And then when your wife is doing a great job

(01:08:42):
a blending everything together, which I think she did. If
you look, there's really no time. Doesn't look like I
got the mushroom head or anything. When she then says, hey,
I've got to go dinner. Is you know the buzzers
ringing or whatever. I gotta get dinner, and you go
on the air for a YouTube show five minutes later.
Don't take the clip is without a guard and try
to turn your ears on your own because that's what happens.

(01:09:07):
Get some white walls. I can't see you can't see it.
I did it a month ago. I tried to shear
myself right over the ear, and I got a huge
bald spot on the side of my head to go
along with the one on the on the top. Anyway,
all right, Handsom's gonna go, We're all gonna go. Thanks
as always, Fellas, good times and uh and we'll talk
again soon. Until then, thanks so much, football fans. It's

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been a thin slice of heaven.