April 22, 2020 • 55 mins
Dave Dameshek is joined by Matt "Money" Smith, Handsome Hank and Eddie Spaghetti via video chat for a mid-week DDFP! The group starts off the show talking about certain plans in place to potentially bring sports back during the quarantine (9:55). Next, they kibitz about if Tua Tagovailoa will end up as a member of the Miami Dolphins or the Los Angeles Chargers (21:55)? The guys round out the show discussing the possibility of Joe Burrow not agreeing to play for the Cincinnati Bengals (38:50).
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
The Dave dama Chick Football Program, available on the Apple
Podcast and at NFL dot com slash g DFP. Now
here's your host. I love football fans. I hope ball
is well, safe and sound wherever you are, Welcome to
the Dave Damnaschek Football Program. We're ready to dive into
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the draft and of course the game of life with
our gang ready to go around the wheel. Let's say
hello to all of them now, then let's jump in
on all the big stuff going on. Who did you
hear Justin Herbert might get drafted ahead of two h
fat double fat. That's what Damascheck says. Don't buy all
these smoke screens. How much longer do we have to
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indulge the nonsense that comes out in the fortnight? I know,
But then fifty weeks from now we're gonna get back
into it and it all starts again. In fact, if
there's a college football season, then we'll get into the
part where like I don't know, not in mid October,
I don't know if any of these kids out here
is worth a first round pick. Jumped to the end
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of the story when Jordan's loved inevitably goes in the
first round. Hear me, now, believe me later, Jordan's love
is not going to make it through the entire first round.
That in many more other storylines to cover with our
pal starting off. You already heard his voice. Let's start
off with him. He's our resident Miami Dolphins fan all
the way from London, England. Fingers crossed. I'm assuming that
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he winds up with to A in the A Dave.
It's I mean, I'm on, I've never been more excited
about a sporting event than this. This is finally the
end of, you know, two decades of heartache for Miami
Dolphins fans and not really having a franchise quarterback. Tomorrow
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night will be over when they take to A and
and and everything turns around for the franchise super Bowl
three years from now. Well, I I can't tell how
glib you're being about this. I don't think the biggest
sporting event of your life. But it is interesting that
if I would have told anybody, you know what, a
year ago, eighteen months ago that the Dolphins, Yes, all
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this suffering that you're going through right now does result
in you getting to the guy who threw the touchdown
past the bank, which Georgia pulled off the big rally
to win the national championship. You would have been over
the moon. And now this nonsense owed to to the
g MS and personnel guys floating like like Justin Herbert
better than they like to. And I don't know about
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these medicals even though he's already passed the medicals, and
everything is a whole bunch of hooey and apple sauce.
Now let's say hello to one half of the finest
radio show and all the land. And of course I
was just on it this week. The Kibbits, the glorious
new Los Angeles Chargers get ups, and he is hoping,
as the voice of the Los Angeles Chargers, that his
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team winds up with two A, it's everybody already working
on my touchdown calls as a matter of fact. Or
two you want to hear it. Yeah, here's what I'm thinking.
And I don't want to scream it because my room
is an echo chamber here. But it'll go touchdown to
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a tongue of my look. I like it. Actually, I'd
be more down for it. Now if he doesn't go
to the Dolphins, I'm I'm okay with him going to
the charge. As long as you do that every single time,
no excuses, no no alternatives. I like that there have
been in our during our lifetimes, there's been. You know,
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there's m J people can go with. Kobe comes to mind,
the one name, the little nickname, and that suffice as Shack.
Obviously we could do a number of those, but people
just refuge. They just checked out very We're we're cool
with just going to uh nobody, nobody. I can't recall
the last time I heard his surname actually mentioned in
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the public spaces. But people are afraid to pronounce at
number one. You know, the first name is too, It's
a great first name. His first name is not to
if you think tong go by low is difficult to pronounce.
His first name is to A niggamnu le polo. It's
spelled t u A n I g A m A
n u o l e p o l A. So money.
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If you're gonna do it, if you're really going to
learn it full first name every time. By the way,
that would be a great thing to go out and
not with regular people out on the street. I'm talking
about people who have committed their life's work to talking
about sports, and I'll concede right out of the gate.
I can't do a good job with two his last name,
nor can I do one with the Greek freak Giannice
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out of it. I always stubble. See I don't do
it that way. Is that it's not it's not Giannice,
it's Yannie. It's it's Greek for it's Greek for John,
so it's Janice, and then it's anti Tanna kemp Up.
I work for the Greek, so I got to hear
it in the Greek pronunciation regularly. Obviously his favorite player
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of all time. I don't know. We like to americanize
everything we we After all, we call it the tour
to France, so I think we can modify a little bit.
Eddie Spaghetti, go ahead, open up your mic. How are
you fella looking good in your Is that a Bulls jersey?
What a trader you are? It's Rodman Rod for the
Last Dance in a Bulls this week. Maybe you guys
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weren't paying attention, but there's this thing on a TV
called The Last Dance, and I've been watching it and
every time I wanted I put on my outfit money.
I actually, well, first of all, spaghetti. How are you
all right? You know came by Haren Beers a little
too long for my liking. You know, days like this
when it's really nice out in Los Angeles kind of
actually go crazy. You want to do a bunch of stuff.
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But I'll probably just take a walk later or something
I don't know I would do, because it doesn't look
like the cubs are being flattened on on on your
end at the moment, it feels like the curves maybe
a being emphasized a little bit. I wait myself before
in preparation any way, comments I'm down again. I got
a three and a half mile running this morning. I'm
feeling pretty good. So yeah, look at that. Maybe that,
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maybe that accounts for the earthquake. Eddie is fasting, is
actually fasting like prior to the show, and then as
soon as we sign off, he just starts molly um, spaghetti.
Go ahead and say the Alabama Quarterbacks surname two Oh
tongua viola, everyone compo. I find it so, I find
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it borderline. I don't want to say xenophobic, but I'm
putting this on myself, but that I can't stand that
moment that you hear in broadcasts when it is a
visiting player and they have to talk about him, I'm
gonna try that last name, and they got to play
by play, the the analyst has to rib the play
by play guy like you must have been working on
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that all night. Yeah, that's that's hysterical. But I count
myself among those dopes take no offense people. I will
say that, and it is true, and DJ calls me
on it regularly, because when you do practice, and you know,
for I don't think I haven't having in front of me.
I think I do. Um. So when you do a
game and you put together your your so called boards,
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you know, I always will spell things out phonetically, and
you know, every now and then when a player makes
a big play, he'll be like, yeah, you just wanted
to get that in there. You were dying to get
that guy's name because you work so hard to make
sure you pronounced it. And sure enough, he's absolutely right.
And it always tracks me up when people like, here's
a good one. Um, I don't know if you can
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see it, but there's old Larry Ogan job when they
play the Browns and it's you know, what, do you
know there's a Larry Ogan Jovi who makes that play?
And Daniels always like DJs like shut up you and
you're but I gotta make sure I get a the
guy won't even make the tackle of you know what,
they'll DJ you saw good job over there and you
certainly impacted that. Lafe definitely definitely an elite surname to
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to say ogan job. Most of the best names reside
in UH in the NHL. And before we get into
any of this all the draft intrigue, where do you
guys come down on? Because hockey as of this morning
was in the news because it was floated briefly, this
neutral sight thing in North Dakota. I don't know where
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that they all return for some sort of limited run
and now it's maybe it'll be in two or four
different NHL cities, I legitimately, And I talked about this
last week with them with Ross Tucker and Jeff Schwartz,
and I said, are we being cavalier? And I'm not
trying to get up on mouthpious, but are we being
awfully cavalier about the players and and all attending gigs
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surrounding putting on a live sporting event. However much you
modify limb at the bodies out there. They're gonna be
cameras and obviously coaches and trainers and all that kind
of stuff. I mean, there's going to be some percentage
of guys that are gonna be like, Nope, not doing it.
I'm not leaving my family behind to do stuff. I'm not.
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I'm not leaving them to fend for themselves one, but
I'm also not sequestering myself with the rest of the league.
And and just as a caveat, as a reminder for
anyone who listens to the show. Fun fact about me,
I really like watching sports on TV, and yet I
I think that you're it is a gathering storm. If
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the league's if the NHL owners are like yep, get back, guys,
and the NFL and the NHL p A even says like, Okay,
some of us are willing to go back. I asked
Tucker and Shortz as they said, Well, Tom Brady would
definitely get there's no way he'd sit it out. Maybe
Drew brees Wood though, and then what then you get
in this weird space of like scabs or what I mean,
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like different way their day for you and I with
our cannon arms, like I only need Drew Brees and
a couple other quarterbacks to to say we're not playing
and money that. You know, there're a lot of Brits
in l A I think I think l A m
has more British residents than any city outside of English City.
How about you installed me at quarterback? Consider right? How
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about that's a that's a great charge. You lost out,
you lost out on ta here comes juh. Look you
know I'm listen South pol same thing, you know, Fiery.
You know I'm about the same size that upgrade the
right side of their lines. So you know they are
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set up for you, that's for certain. I certain I
don't have the checkered health past, you know, I mean
grade yeah, I mean could could you know the doctors
will tell you could stay in a lose some weight. Sure,
but you know that that applies to at least one
um top to your co order back that I can
think of right now, kind of from the same next um.
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But I yeah, what do you think? What do you like? One?
No idea? Like? I think I don't know who they're
taking their cues from in terms of what, you know,
what decisions they make, where they decide to do it,
Who gets sequestered. How long it's for? You know? Lee
Steinberg was talking to see NBC. I saw him this
morning on there about baseball, and he described it as
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kind of like a three tiered plan where you run
it like spring training, and you start with pitchers and catchers,
they're all tested and sequestered them. The position players showed
up same thing, and three groups guys that have already
had to have anybody's guys that have never had it,
guys that currently have it and are quarantined. And he says,
you know, with a month of that tier, you start
playing baseball games. Uh, and you cycle on and off
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with teams so guys can go home and see their family,
and when they come back, you start that process again
of testing anybody's not positive positive in quarantine. And you
can run that chael over the course of X number
of months. It's not gonna be a hundred and sixty
two games. I thought it was a really interesting proposition
that way, you aren't asking people to be away from
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their their families for four months or something, but instead
maybe for six weeks at a time, which is still
a long while. I think the most like to me,
the most interesting part of it is, you know, I
obviously you know, a big thank you and and you know,
just immense praise and respect for all of those people
that are working right now that are putting themselves in
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harms way, particularly in the medical field. But there's there's
Amazon van drivers, ups drivers, are postmen, are grocery store workers,
people that are still operating take out, Like I can
I can argue that baseball and hockey and basketball players
are important. You know that that that this this country
consumes sports more than anything else. It is the number
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one consumed product of our nation. And we'd be a
lot better off emotionally and in terms of mental health
if there were games to watch every night. And if
you I didn't give you presented it that way to
players like hey, believe it or not, you get dressed
up in funny outfits and play a game, but it's important,
like if it is important to I don't think you
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know what I'm and I'm not um kind of teasing
you about this. I think that one thing you don't
need to convince those guys of is their importance in society.
I think they get that, and I think that's not
the tough sell. I think though, that there will I
think almost certainly there. I mean Clayton Kershaw as a
for instance, one of the bigger stars in baseball, if
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he said I'm not doing it, that's going to create
a crazy um pr issue for baseball and for the Dodgers.
And you know, people love to get this is like,
So this is what I would push back on to Kershaw. Right,
It's like, Kersha, I get you don't want to do it,
and you don't have to because you've made three million
dollars in your career. But guess what, there's guys that
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are vets that are in their lad year that have
never made more than a million bucks a year, and
if they don't play this year, they're not gonna get
paid and they're probably never gonna play again. And this
is their last shot at it. And you feel like
you got a team that can win the World Series?
Are you really gonna Are you really gonna short change
them because you don't want to do it? If like,
you can present it as we are taking all the
precautions for you to be safe, for you to stay healthy,
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and then I would just push back and say, you know,
guess what, these people probably don't want to do it
at the grocery store either. You know, they probably don't
want to do it and deliver bands either, but they
got to make a paycheck. And you know, if your
drive around l A, there's guys doing construction every day
and they're wearing masks and they're building you know whatever,
individual homes and giant commercial real estate and Sofi Stadium,
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and maybe they don't want to do it, but they are. Um.
Now again, I'm doing all that under the caveat of
if if the people that know a hell of a
lot more about this than I do, the medical professionals
saying no, that is stupid, then don't do it. But
when I hear Dr Fauci say I could really use
some baseball, and I do think there's a path for
them to do this obviously without fans, then I would say, hey,
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listen to that guy and see if you can figure
it out. I love, I love exactly what you're saying,
and I hope that's true. I just think that, as
I say, one, you know, the big asterisk is the
players safety, and you know, what do I know about
anything um related to the law. But um, Nevertheless, I'll
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dip my toe into those waters all you need is
for one guy, you know, one guy force back in
the platoon player for for um, you know the Mariners
get something, you know, get something, and then you know
the out and if just if one guy doesn't do it,
then the PR disaster of like, you know, people love that.
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You guys are multi millionaires. Who are you to complain
that kind of mentality? You'll get chunks of sportsman's turning
against the athletes. You think the kneeling stuff a couple
few years ago was bad. I think refusing to do this,
you know, cloaked in exactly what you're laying out, do
it for your country, Nope, not interested is going is
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going to create a crazy PR situation for the league's
if they try to do that. Handsome Yeah, I agree,
But I do think that there is as compared to
the kneeling issue and the anthem issue, um, everyone is
going to be there. There will be more sympathy for
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people who don't want to do it. I'm not I
don't think everyone is going to tun I think from
a I think baseball is a little bit different because
to Money's point, you can separate it. I think with football,
the contact between players means that you it just it's
a little bit. It's a different literally a different sport,
but I think it's a different approach. Um. It's gonna
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be hard to keep players away from each other and
to the quarantine one group from another. You know, people
have specific roles. I think, you know, you know, we
live in a at the best. I think this is
a parallel that'll work. Tell me if it does or not.
But I think about self driving cars, right, and everyone's like,
I don't even know computer drive me. And you're like, well, yeah,
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but if you look at the numbers, and accidents would
drop by about ninety nine point nine percent because the
computers would be on a grid and well that glitch
and then I'm gonna drive into a truck that it
thinks as a cloud, you know. Then ever then I'm dead.
It's like, yeah, but that's that's point one percent of
the time. And I think that's that's just the culture
that we live under, and that it's not about the
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of the guys that are going to stay healthy or
be maybe contracted and deal with a you know, perhaps
a subtle or a somewhat you know, gnarly case of COVID,
but come out on the other not the other side
of it and be healthy. It's that worst case scenario.
Oh my gosh, what if somebody gets it and it
affects them to a point where they die, Then that's it.
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It's over like And that's what they're thinking about, is
that percentage, which I understand, totally understand. I think how
we are operating and how we approach you. I think
you know, listen, believe me. I certainly, if I could
pick what would entertain me for the next six weeks,
it would be the Stanley Cup playoffs. I would love
a certainly as a Pittsburgh Penguins fan. By the way,
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they get uh, shake and baked, Jake gnselback, look out NHL, right,
Eddie Spaghetti. You know what I'm talking about. I just
I wonder, um, you know, uh, I think that the
headache we're right now kind of sleeping on is this
idea of some percentage of stars. And that's exactly right. Money.
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It's not gonna be the ham and Eggers that are,
you know, trying to play for two or four years,
make some money and set themselves up. It's the it's
the superstars who are already who have enough money in
the bank. That they're not incentive, they're not desperate to
get out there and do it. And if those guys
know show how that then would corrupt the integrity of
the playoffs. As a for instance, Alex says, Nope, not
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doing it. I'm not risking it. Then Caps fans would
would you know, riot, perhaps not in the streets, but
online at least. Um anyhow, all right, I'm just curious
to bring it back to the NFL though. You know,
the biggest news over the last twenty four hours has
been joining his former teammate Tom Brady and Tampa. You know,
we talk like Levan Bell, for example, and he kind
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of disproved this theory that well, you take a year
off at a certain age, then you're actually maybe you
come back healthier on the other side of it. And
Gronk obviously has taken his year out and lost a
lot of weight. But you know, partly, I guess presumably
one of the things that factored into his decision to
to come out of a year hiatus was that he
feels better and feels like he's ready to play again.
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But if those guys, if him and Brady, for example, don't,
if football doesn't happen this year, a year, a year
further along, a year older. Are they her off or
are they worse off? And does that hurt you know that?
That's that to me is a tricky I want them
to plan Tampa. I wanted to happen. I want the
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as Roger Goodrell said, we're planning on starting on time.
That's what I'm planning on as we sit here on
April two, wait until until Sophi Stadium has two of
there with the visiting dolphin. It's funny you mentioned that
because we're going back to Miami, which means I have
an opportunity to go back to that same water park
that I was humiliated at this last trip I took there.
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I might come with your money. Let's do it, please,
please do so I don't have to deal with the again,
the derision and the humiliation I suffered at the hands
of me being a middle aged man walking around a
water park by himself, asking two young boys if they
wanted to ride a particular slide with him because there
were no single writers allowed. I'd like, sir, please move on,
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just just give me a second here, kids, listen, you
put me in this thing and we're gonna go a
lot faster and a lot higher on that. All right,
there's more weight and you're gonna get more mass. And sir,
please please leave the slide area, all right, I'm out
of here, so yes, please join me in Miami. Well
since as Handsome takes a sip from his Miami Dolphins
um cup and uh and Matt money Smith, where's his
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captain's hat? I don't know how exaguas celebrating. You know,
California Chargers. You know, the seafaring is a is a
a bit of industry here still, and so anyway, let's
start there, and then I do want to talk about
about Burrow. But so you all right, we have the
Dolphins rep. We have the Chargers rep. Here. Does anybody
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here and Eddie Spaghetti chime in yourself? Um on this one?
Does anybody by any of this jib that t isn't
the one a option for all teams that want a
quarterback right now? It's just a question of who is
going to elevate to get him. In all likelihood, it's
starting to track in that way that the Skins might
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trade down from two or maybe the Giants are willing,
if that makes some sense, or the Lions at three.
Everybody's been talking about that one since the Lions played
their last game. I mean, to a winds up to
me with the Chargers or Dolphins and goes absolutely positively
no later than the sixth overall start with you, Handsome,
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I agree. I mean, I don't see it huntening in
any other way, but I can I can understand why
there would be a certain amount of sort of conservative
thinking amongst gms who haven't had a chance to test
him and pull his leg or whatever it is you
need to do to make sure that his hip is
still attached to the rest of his body, um, so
that they can find out whether he'd be the right
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quota back. Not from a talent and mental makeup and
everything else, which I think we've seen him do consistently Alabama,
but from is he going to be available to play
seventeen weeks a year or hopefully twenty one weeks a
year for the Dolphins in the future. But I agree,
I think he's going, and I think probably when it
comes to it, one of those two teams may wind
up even trading up for him. It just occurs to
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me that in the past, when those trade ups have happened.
They've happened. You know, weeks out from the draft is
where the value has been realized. And because of everything
that's happening, And maybe this is just you know, both
either or both of those two teams trying to talk
the value down. If it happens today or tomorrow, the
Redskins or Giants are probably not going to get the money, sorry,
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the picks that they would have got in a in
a normal year for a team to trade up to
two or three to take a quarter of that money,
how say you? Well, Um, I disagree with with your
premise that it's WHOI on Herbert. I've heard from enough
people that that there are Herbert fans out there that
really really like him as a prospect. That love is build,
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love is stature, love his brain, his makeup, um and
and believe him to be a solid, strong NFL quarterback prospect.
So and I know for not for a fact, but
I feel pretty comfortable saying that there are people, um
in the Dolphins organization that that prefer him. Um And
and look, it's medical and medical changes everything. I mean
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that that is a scary proposition when you're going to
invest a top five pick in a quarterback in the
future and you're just not comfortable, you know. I know
Mike Lombardi wrote about it in at The Athletic and
he said, you know, I think he mentioned he talked
to double digit gms and over half of them weren't
comfortable with him. That that it wasn't just a hip
and the clean bill of help, but the fact that
he's got two ankles, that he had a risk and
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and it just seemed like there was always something. And
for someone who's so instinctive as a player, it's really
hard to coach him into giving up on place and
to avoiding contact because he's just such a competitor and
that's the way he's hardwired. It's almost the you know,
not that Russell Wilson gives up on place, but he
has this innate ability to get rid of the ball
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or get out of harm's way, whereas to Ah is
so competitive and have such a strong, accurate arm that
he's willing to hang in until the last second before
he lets it fly. And that's where you get into
this trouble. So that's one facet of it. I do
think there is concerned there um that that the NFL
is bigger, stronger, faster, and this guy's gonna take hits
and we're worried about how he's gonna hold up um
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now using the money? Do you think so? To me,
it was in my mind and you can talk me
out of this very quickly. But to me, it seems
like the Chargers will do will either get to U
or they'll be more than happy to take Isaiah Simmons
and have a dominant defense ready to roll against Patrick
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Mahomes and company as they chase a repeat. That seems
like a good move instead of justin Herbert, who does
feel still like a wild card and doesn't give you
the pop in terms of you know, pr or whatever
you're looking for as you open a new stadium, is
gonna sell Jersey Is too, is gonna sell tickets too,
is immediately going to become one of the most popular
sporting figures in Southern California. No, I have no doubt
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about that. I think about it is Herbert not Isaiah Simmons.
If it comes down to I mean, I I don't know,
I really don't, and I just I don't. The Chargers
and I worked for the team. They played their cards
so close to the vest and they always have. You know,
Tom Tolesco told me a story. He said the in
all his years of being GM, the one time that
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they were settled on a prospect more than anybody else
with their pick. They were one certain they were taking
Joey Bosa in two thousand and sixteen, and not a
single mock draft or a single media draft analysts had
them taking Bosa. They had him take the tonsil. Ronnie
Stanley's like, I don't think there was one. He goes
and we were locked into bots just from the moment
the process began. So I think that speaks to how
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UM misleading all of this in form anition can be.
So I don't know. I can just give you what
my opinion is from talking to people around you know,
the people that we work with and other scouts that
I've I've been able to get to know UM current
people you know that are employed and people that are
formally employed and now work in the media, and they
have a big gap. You know that most of them
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have a gap between two and Herbert. So that would
be my path is I would rather have Isaiah Simmons
at six and then you know there's a lot of
buzz on justin Herbert and and what they think he
can I'm sorry, a lot of buzz on Jalen Hurts
and what he could develop into if you take him
at thirty seven. Um. And and like you said, just
build that dominant defense to slow down the Chiefs. By
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taking Simmons at six, pairing him up with Derwin James,
it's like having a Derwin James with an act for
fifteen pounds in two inches on them out on the field. UM.
But I would not be surprised at all if if
two was gone and they end up taking Herbert. I
do think there's probably enough fans. But Tom Talasco has
seen him playing a bunch and of all games, he
was at the Road Bowl and he was at the
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USC game, so he got to see two of Herbert's
best ever performances. Um. And obviously that's going to go
a long way. When you see a guy in person
making big plays to win a Rose Bowl for Oregon,
I think is going to have a lasting effect. So
I would not be surprised at all if two were
gone and they decided to go with Herbert. I also
think it's funny that wrote in I would say to
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LESCo this side of Ozzy Newsom has been maybe the
best draft or of the twenty one century. So have
faith whichever way it goes. Chargers fans, he generally makes
the right call, more so than that than his peers,
as well as yeah, no, it's funny. I mean to
let's goo, I agree with you money, and it sounds
like that's suddenly the story is that he doesn't. I
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think he's never even told his wife what the pick
is going to be. On the other hand, the Dolphins
have over the last few years. And this just may
just be because I'm kind of as locked in as
I can be with with everything that's happening around that team.
But I've pretty much known who they were going to
take in the first round of the draft for for
about five or six years and row, and it came
to fruition, and there's some think it was guys. It
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was guys that no one else was predicting to be
in the first round. I remember when Juan James was
taken by them as a right tackle several years ago,
and nobody else, you know, he wasn't showing up on
any other mock draft. And then for about two weeks
out it was Johan James to the Dolphins, but nowhere
else was he going in the first round at all,
And sure enough on draft they remember when they drafted
Gardodric it was the same thing. But this time around,
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I feel like they're there. Um you know, Chris Greer,
their GM and and and the rest of their stuff
have done a great job of spreading misinformation and literally
every single beat writer in Miami has connected them with
different quarterbacks. I've seen Dan Marino being quoted that he
likes each of the three top quarterbacks and thinks they're
the best prospect he's seen in a long time. So
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they have done everything they can for a long period
now to to sort of try and spread different word
and to bring us to the point where we are
now where no one already knows what they're going to do,
and even to the extent that people are now playing
as of this week, oh they're probab take a tackle
at five and maybe think about coming back for a
quarterback at any team when they when they have the
Steelers pick the I think the interesting nugget there is,
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and I've heard a very similar sort of thing out
of that camp, is that it leads you to believe
they don't want to trade up. They don't want to
get rid of that draft capital um. And I think
the same goes for the Chargers. They have seven picks,
one in each round. Um if if you know, because
you have such promising prospects at the top of the draft,
you know, you know, I don't think Washington is going
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to trade back to wherever you might put the next
quarterback needy team. Is it the Jaguars? Is it the
Raiders because they think they got a shot at too,
even though they have car and Mariota now on the roster. Um,
I don't think they want to trade back that far.
So I think the way the Dolphins and the Chargers
look at it is they're not going to trade back
past us because you want to get a Kuda or
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Wills or Simmons or you know, be it becked In
or what. You want one of these Chase Young. You
want one of these dominant players that you're going that
that you're not going to feel as good about if
you trade back to say, you know, nine or twelve
or whatever it may be. There's kind of that sweet
spot of Chase Young Nakuda, you know, the first tackle
and obviously the quarterbacks. And I think that's why you
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want to stay sort of in that that seven range. Um,
And I think that's why maybe the the Dolphins and
the Chargers are just stick and pick and hey what,
we'll see how it plays out. Man, We're gonna see here.
Pretty learned good about what's coming our way. I also, yeah,
I I also am not convinced yet. Call me a
conspiracy theorist. I still not convinced given the Cliff Kingsbury
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experience a year ago, that now this is liberated teams
to do what would have seemed unthinkable two years ago,
which is trade Dwayne Haskins and and take the QB
day one and number two and um. Obviously the Lions
would be thrilled with that news, or perhaps even Eddie
Spaghetti's New York Giants would. Would that really love to
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hear something like that. But what about the number one overall,
the thing that could really disrupt things? Do you guys?
We have had in our lives two generations of the
best QB perceived going into the draft. Pull the high
hat move of I'm not going there one three John Elway, Nope,
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not going to not going to you Baltimore Colts, thereby
setting about a chain of events to beat the band.
You know, the Baltimore Colts never leave Baltimore. If John
Elway plays his rookie season there, they don't move. In
eight four ergo, the Browns never moved to Baltimore. They
moved to Indianapolis because there is no team in Indianapolis
at that point. But anyho, Um, then we have the
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Eli draft of BOT four. Spaghetti winds up with his
guy after Eli says no way, I'm going to the Chargers,
goes to the Giants, phill to the Chargers, and the
number three pick ends up being the best of the bunch.
Thank you, um, Pittsburgh Steelers for things breaking your your
way in that case, Um, why don't you make in
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your eyes with me like that, handsome. I'm just telling
I'm is recounting the two times we've seen the number one. Everything,
everything you said that the the best. They were part
of the conversation you were talking about Joe Burrow, Stiff
Arman history. They're not involved, they are not part of
the store involved. No they're not. No, no no they're not.
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They're not all right either way. The here here's how
it's involved Ben Roethlisberger's from the state of Ohio. The
Browns could have taken him instead, they took Kellen Winslow
Junior could have had Roethlisberger, another Ohio kid. I was
I was just trying to make sense of what you said.
By the way, I do want to say quickly, money,
I feel bad and I don't mean to rub your
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nose in it. But TLESCO doesn't involve you in personnel decisions.
But someone on high and the charges organization clearly had
their ears opened. The damnit checks uniform notes. How about
those units right on the side of the hat lightning
bold sns them in the end day, it was. It
was very notable yesterday morning when the uniforms were released
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and you know, everyone's favorite uniform guy, they've damage that
you know, we're not We now know exactly what time
you're alarm clock goes off or it doesn't go off,
because it was three and a half hours after they've
been released. As suddenly Damageeck sees them weighs in as
if like no one you know, no one telling about
this at all. I just was letting all the ham
and agges the Then then the really like let them
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settle in and everybody will be react. Now you want
the official word, Okay, here, that's what that That's what
I did. But the right I mean, I mean, I
don't want to confirm anything. But Handsome, are you excited
about the uniforms? Money was kind enough with Petros to
have me on their marvel Is show. Always grand the
kibbits with those fellows, But Handsome, I didn't get your thoughts. Well.
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My first thought, which was this was like two and
a half hours before you woke up yesterday, was that
they actually and I even said it, they must have
listened to you because it has some of your favorite
your your favorite little little frills and tweaks in there. Um.
But I love them. I think they immediately and I
think they were already pretty much there before. But I
think that the best uniforms in the NFL. I love
the number one, but yeah, I mean that they might
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they were already kind of close top three for me.
I love the pants, the lightning bolt on the pants,
and I love the yellow pants. I saw some dissension
there where people were were down on the yellow pants.
I'm all about those yellow pants. They need to wear those.
I mean, I don't know. Money, you can tell me.
I'm to a better Um, whether those are the default
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home home and away one the yellow pants or whether
it were white because that wasn't clear. Yeah, they've always
mixed and mashed. They you know, like over the last
couple of years. Uh. And you know last year powder
became their primary ahead of navy. Um. And and yet
you know sometimes it would be powder and and why
sometimes Navies would come out at home. Um. And they do,
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they do really appreciate their uniform, said, they do put
a lot of thought into it. Um. I had many
many a beers with John Spanous on the road where
I would verbally assault him with my ideas of what
they should do with the uniform. And thankfully John uh
and I tend to see things very similarly. My one
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big push was was gold pants. I said, you've gotta,
you've gotta do it. It is it is an absolute
must to get those colored pants. That the interesting thing
um about the Charger uniforms, and my absolute favorite is
the obviously the powder blue with the gold pants. UM.
I think the gree I go white, white hat, white pants.
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But okay, let's not quit. The players love the Navy.
They love who's but like even even like when they
had their color Rush, not the Royal, which are my favorites.
I love to Dan filed Sarah Royal Blue. Uh. But
the players when they had a chance to put on
their Color Rush Navies against Baltimore two seasons ago, they
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were like, these are the greatest charger uniforms ever. Like
it is interesting, and I think it's a younger thing.
Like my kids love the Navies. They think it's the
coolest looking uniform they've ever seen. The all Navy color uption.
I think it's I don't know what it is. It's
a generational thing. I don't know if it's like the
Ravens blocks or or what it may be. But but
the younger, I'd say, if you're under twenty five, like
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online with my Twitter feed, that was the thing. Like
anybody that was younger was like, man, those Navies are
the best looking units I've ever seen, whereas the older
people are like, uh, look at the glorious powder blues
and the numbers on the helmet, the lightning bolt down
the side, the nostalgia of it. They really they really
hit a home run. May Yeah, I'm ready, I definitely
I'm going to crown them, but but only for twelve months.
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When the Dolphins, I predict, will we'll go back to
the They'll throw it back to the throwbacks a year
from now and immediately reinstalled themselves as the number one uniform.
And yet, imagine those all whites though up in Vegas
playing the Silver and Black. Imagine the Chiefs and the
Red Pants coming in to l A to play the
Powder Blues. It's gonna be a marvelous viewing experience at
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minimum to watch the f C West now back to
That's right? Juah um, the the a f C North,
back to that, back to the Bengals have made it
clear from their end back to is this possibly? And yes,
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I'm trying to stir things up. And guess what, all
the gms out there doing the same thing, so I'm
allowed to do it too. Oh no, we like Justin
Herbert better than two. It fat all right. I hear
what Money has to say. He's better informed than I am. Still, um,
the Bengals, what Borough from that region? This would be
a completely different level than Elway, the California kids saying
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no to Baltimore or Eli, the SEC kids saying no
to California. This would be um a kid from that
region and then saying like yeah, him saying yeah, I
grew up watching the Cincinnati Bengals. I watched him every Sunday.
No chance in hell I want to go to that team, Like,
I mean, what if he pulls that move? Because I
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haven't seen and I really did spend at least ninety
seconds in advance of this podcast looking for any evidence. Yes,
the Bengals have made it clear that they want Burrow,
but is it definitely clear that Burrow is gonna be
like love it, here's the here's the jersey. I'm ready
to wear the black and orange and make the Bengals
the best team in football for the next decade and
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a half. Money. I start with you, I think we
would have heard by now that he wasn't. I don't
think he needs to come out and say I'm excited
to play for them, but I think we would have
heard because we started to hear that about eliin You
know the last time this happened, is it? It started?
You know, a couple of days before his Hank mentioned
these trades typically get worked out well before the fifteen
minute window when you've got to try to put this
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thing together. So I would imagine we would have heard
a little bit more buzz, and I guess you could
argue we did have some with Peter King, you know,
it was kind of one of the first guys to
put it out there, like, hey, if you're the Miami Dolphins,
why don't you offer four first round picks and go
get Joe Burrow? And like, to me, that is maybe
someone planting a seed that tells Peter, Hey, you know
Burrow would really like to play in Miami. Or it
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could be the other way. Look, does Steven Ross like
to U? Yeah? Does he like Herbert? Yeah? But man,
he loves Joe Burrow. And that's that's it's the only
team that could possibly trade up there. You know, I
think if you're the Dolphins and you're willing to give
up that kind of draft capital, and by the way,
why wouldn't you like if you think Burrow is that good,
if you think he is your next Dan Marino that
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you've been searching for for twenty freaking years, go get him.
You're not gonna have twelve guys make your team from
two drafts or whatever it would be eight how many
picks they haven't Hank like twenty in this fourteen guys
aren't making your roster, So why would you not package
whatever it takes to go get the quarterback if he's
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that good and you hear just praise that is heaped
upon him by all of these people that have been
watching quarterbacks their entire lives, Um, just go get them
so that today that it's when I when I read
that from Peter King and hear it from other people,
it seems like a very one sided arguments like, yeah, well,
why wouldn't the Bengals accepted, Well, they're in the same position.
Everyone really is looking for that quarterback that can lead
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your franchise. You can be your your your the guy
for you for ten years, who can sell tickets for you.
So if the Bengals believe in Joe Burrow, why would
they say, oh, well, all right, Dolphins, we defer to you.
We'll take those picks. I just I think I think
everyone's in the same boat and they just happened to
have been the team that that landed with that first
overall pick and are gonna make the picket. It makes
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itself in a way. Well, I I find it an
intriguing possibility that until it doesn't happen. You're gonna have
a hard time disabusing me of the possibility because of
exactly what you're saying. Their teams with the capital to
do it right. The Dolphins make all the sense in
the world based on what they have to give to
with the Bengals to trade out of it. And if
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the Bengals get a whiff and I think basically the
organization saying we're taking him, we love this kid is
probably a strong indication none of this is going to happen.
But if the Bengals there would be I mean, can
you imagine the black eye for the organization if a
kid from the region said yeah, I don't want to
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go there. I mean, that would be a hard one
to come back from. So if they have any inkling
that that may happen, they would try to save themselves
from that ugliness and and and move the first over
re the only way. The only way they do it
is if they have a very similar grade on two
and are comfortable with the medicals or Herbert, you know,
if they if they're like, hey, look here's Burrow is
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you know to use our you know, Daniel Jeremiah Lancer
line grades. If if Burrow is a six nine and
Herbert's a six eight or a six seven, then okay,
well we'll take eight team. We'll take your your four
first rounders and another second and a second next year.
And and we feel comfortable. We coached Justin Herbert of
the Senior Bowl. He was, you know, considered one of
the best prospects the entire week. He won the m
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v P of the Senior Bowl itself. We know, and
that's how you sell it, right like well, believe it
or not. You know, we know this guy, Herbert, and
we know he's good because we coached him up to
a heck of a week in Mobile and a heck
of a game in Mobile. And by the way, we
also got eighteen whatever it is, twenty seven five, and
we got all these second rounders and and one next
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year as well. So we feel that that's the only
way that happens, is if they're comfortable with another quarterback,
that they're going to get it. Five. I mean, I
could cobbled together all these more elaborate scenarios where you
wind up with if you're the Bengals, somehow maybe wind
up with a Kuda and Herbert or twa if you
if you move back and and gain the participation of
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the lines. Anyway, enough about that, let's talk about um
last dance and or in the time we have remaining here,
we have a couple of minutes. I want to go
last dance. Thought mean, let me let me inject something
real quick, if I may, I want to. I want
to bring this up with Hank. I brought it up
two weeks ago when we talked. And Uh, the name,
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as you see on my screen right here is Ben Stokes.
Who's Ben Stokes? Hank tell the people is a is
an English cricket player, an all round a batsman and
bola for England and a true hero, A genuine apart
from some some you know, potentially off the field activities. Uh,
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the the guy that every cricket fan in the UK
wants to be. So here's my question, as a man
who just completed this this Amazon Prime series called The
Test that I've recommended before, I'll recommended again cry PETR
c T, which I was cheering for and I wanted
to see nothing but but parish and peril for the
England side, especially after this moment A man who was
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called the greatest cricketer in the world, a man who
was embroiled in a cheating scandal. Uh, Steve Smith my brother,
all right, my younger brother, old Steve sniff there from Australia.
You have a lot in common. Actually, oh yeah. He
gets absolutely destroyed by this guy Archer who's throwing this
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wooden ball like two hundred miles an hour or something
like this, and nobody blinks an eye Like these guys
in cricket, these bowlers, how I don't know how fast
they're throwing the ball, but it's like a wood ball.
It's it's wildly dangerous and there's no speak whatsoever, no
conversation about them being wild and cracking these guys in
the hands and the head and the legs, like oh yeah,
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but that's just the way it games. You know, get
in the hand, you bet some men against auction, and
you want to be carefully you better keep you hit
in a Smithing one unit what these guys gonna throw
at your head? And nobody says peep or boo about
the fact that he's head hunting out there. Yeah, well,
I mean that's the game money. You know, the Bricks
have grown up playing this game and we don't need
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to wear gloves. It's like when I was once off
off of the chance to go play for the NFL
had a company softball team, and I said, BlimE, I
don't need the glove. Well, I don't need a glove
to play, to play, you know, I've been play and
everyone was like, oh my god, that's that's English guy.
He's crazy. Um And but you know what, we don't
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need that stuff. But I'm specifically speaking to the bowlers.
They are allowed to throw at your head and it's well,
here's the problem though, if you're a bowler that does that,
what happens is the when you have to bat and
by because most of most bowlers are not good at batting,
with the exception of someone like Ben Stokes who does
both well. The other team is like, hey, remember Jeoffrey.
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Jeoffrey Archer was through it at a hundred miles at
your head. We're going to do the same thing to him,
but exclusively, there won't be anything other than that, so
you have to kind of you kind of have to.
It's yeah, exactly. It's basically being an American League pitcher,
there are no repercussions for you at throwing at the
other team. Only the National League pitchers have to get
in the box after they throw out somebody's head. Hey,
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but ultimately, but I'm why did you Why are you
not Steve Smith? Because I wanted to twist your nipples?
What hurts worse? Handsome? Have you experienced both getting hit
by a baseball and a wooden ball? What hurts worse? Well?
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That I mean that's it's it's um, it's leather. It's
leather bound with a kind of cork interior, and then
you know whatever you make a ball out of. It's
kind of like a baseball examply, so it hurts to
get hit with it. Sure, um and and it still scares.
The last summer when I was back in the UK,
played cricket, um, and you you play in a net
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a little bit like I guess when you're practicing baseball.
I went back in a net, a bat in cage
and it um, if you haven't done it for a while,
it's kind of scary when you see coming at you.
Has your eldest Ronnie swung the cricket, Yeah, cricket, but
he is a big fans we play. We were playing
in the backyard yesterday. It is one of it remains.
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It remains one of the great mysteries to me, and
I've asked, I've taken this to the highest levels, including
Tommy Lasorda, for an answer on this one. What is
the proper explanation for why these big league pictures, who
are undoubtedly, I mean at least at least nine out
of ten of them have to be by far and
away the best hitter on their high school team, probably
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on their college team. Why when they get to the
major leagues it appears as though they've literally never held
a bat. I mean, it's one thing. They're like, all right,
you're not gonna you're not gonna slug it for uh
for four hundred in the in the bigs, against against
top tier pictures. But I mean they look ridiculous. I
mean they look like you send to the place and
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they try and well, because they're not getting the reps
every day, all right, they don't have to look like
the uncoordinated old ladies either, or I would say give
them the reps if they were the best player, and
that you're absolutely right, Typically your high school baseball team,
your best picture is your best hitter. They're just an
unbelievable at least that's how it was when I was,
you know, back in high school a long time ago.
But I don't get why they just don't give him
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the reps. Well, if they only pitch every five days,
and yeah, I know, you gotta get out there, have
your long costs and your bullpen section, throw them in
the cage every single day. Why would you not do
that and have them be two way players in the
National League. I just I don't I don't know. I
should say, you know, actual legitimate hitters. Boy, that's a
great point that I hadn't thought of with the five
day thing. Right, if you develop them into capable enough
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pitch hitters, then you don't have to have that deep
a bench. You could just have the deepest situational pitching
staff out in the bullpen waiting to bring in. The
games would take seventeen hours, but still you could just go.
You could go bat or buy batter. Now we're gonna
go with our next riding guy that we have hiding
in the pen. Last thing, is this funny handsome as
an a f C East rival, While not rival, isn't
(49:49):
the proper term against the Patriots? Are you amused by
what seems to be going down, which is that Tom
Brady wanted to keep playing, he just didn't want to
do it for Bill Belichick, And it kind of looks
like the same thing is true for Gronk. Well, it
feels like you are you were talking about, you know,
sports documentaries. I feel like ten years from now, we're
(50:12):
finally going to get the truth from some Patriots, including
Gronk and Tom Brady, about how badly they wanted to
get out of foxbur and why they wanted to and
what life under Bill Belichick really were really like, you know,
people have talked about what's the what's the documentary, what's
the inside scoop really most like to hear. And I
completely understand that the Patriots can put a lid on
everything that's happened up until now. But the moment that
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Belichick retires and those guys, you know what, some of
them wind up in the media. We're going to hear
those stories and we will find out what it was
that made Gronk say I want to I want to
play for I don't want to play for Belichick so
badly that I'm going to retire, and then given half
an opportunity twelve months later, I'm going to come out
of retirement instantly to join a team, which, Look, I'm
(50:55):
excited about the Bucks, and I think it's cool that
Tom Brady is going there, but I don't necessarily think
that that's a team that's going to turn it around.
I'm sure this is the kind of thing that will
show up six months from now when the when the
Bucks are hoisting a Lombody. I don't know. I don't
want to hold you guys up, so I'm just going
short answers here. Sorry to interrupt your handsome, I know
(51:16):
you both have to cut here. Um who gets in
money the Bucks path of getting to the Super Bowl?
The NFC sign right, real quick? Tank nice glass? Dork
um second thing takes a sip from his Dolphins tumbler.
All right, the draft is tomorrow. Also, want to make
you drink out of me Dolphins glass today because good luck,
(51:43):
doph Um so one of the Saints. I think the
Saints win the division. Um too, I'm gonna say the Seahawks,
and I think I think the Seahawks and the forty Niners.
So there's one while card and then that's where I
start to be like, you know what I'm talking myself
(52:04):
into this Tampa thing because what's you know, how how
comfortable are we with all the departures from the Vikings?
Are we comfortable with the Vikings moving from No, I'm
not so. I'm gonna give the division to the Packers,
and I have no idea if that's going to produce
a second wild card? Are we comfortable? You know, I'm
comfortable with the Eagles in the a f C East,
and I mean, I'm sorry the NFC East, and I'm
not really sure about anybody else. So it's like, yeah,
(52:28):
I think, yeah, I think the Bucks make the playoffs.
I'm not saying that that's not gonna happen. I just
I think when it comes to it against the United team,
against the Seahawks team, against the Saints team, that they
wind up falling short well Tom Brady and Rob Gronkowski
rather than despite them. The bottom line is, it's it's
very funny to watch Patriots fans really struggling to try
(52:52):
and make sense of all of this. Like know, it's
it's cool because we've got we've got all those Lombardies,
Like so now you're now you're Fellichack, Like hey, we
coach Gooder then your team does. That's what you're left with.
And those, by the way, those those, I mean the
terrible what are the Falcon's got all the attention for
the bad uniforms, But I dare say that the Patriots
look even we're their roads awful, right terrible. I'm all right, listen,
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I know you fellas. Gotta go appreciate as always you
make in the time with the last dance next week, Okay,
coming to South Florida. Oh, I can't wait to put
a pin in that one. One way or the other.
We're gonna tell somebody have very sad, very sad. Maybe
both of us are going to be very yeah, maybe, yeah,
(53:37):
maybe the joke will be on all of us, or
me specifically for laughing about the Patriots circumstances when they
have to starting at quarterback when the NFL season starts.
All right, fellas, good times. Appreciate it. You two Eddie
spaghetti um keep on losing them pounds allegedly Unty one
sixty point four again I wait in right before so
(53:59):
still up two tents of a pound, two two six
point four to wow, congrats, congratulations. I was last week
down five. It was a new load for me. And
probably half a decade. But I think with the BA
the chocolate banana bread um that I've been eating. But
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have you heated that up in the microwave and slathered
some beater on it? I don't need to I get it.
I got it. I got it before it comes out
of the oven. Well, it's either way. Try some try
some butter on there, thank me later. Um, all right,
thank you fellas for doing it, Matt money Smith. Obviously
that growth and money and uh, you know, on the
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NFL dot com right after the right after the draft
with Lance and Bucky and and Rhett. We're doing a
post draft raft for however, lunch takes to get through
that immediately after the draft ends on NFL dot com,
So if you want to check that out, all right,
be on the lookout for that, and uh we'll kibbits
with you next week. Until then, thanks so much with
ball fans, it's been a thin slice of heaven. M
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our gang ready to go around the wheel. Let's say
hello to all of them now, then let's jump in
on all the big stuff going on. Who did you
hear Justin Herbert might get drafted ahead of two h
fat double fat. That's what Damascheck says. Don't buy all
these smoke screens. How much longer do we have to
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indulge the nonsense that comes out in the fortnight? I know,
But then fifty weeks from now we're gonna get back
into it and it all starts again. In fact, if
there's a college football season, then we'll get into the
part where like I don't know, not in mid October,
I don't know if any of these kids out here
is worth a first round pick. Jumped to the end
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of the story when Jordan's loved inevitably goes in the
first round. Hear me, now, believe me later, Jordan's love
is not going to make it through the entire first round.
That in many more other storylines to cover with our
pal starting off. You already heard his voice. Let's start
off with him. He's our resident Miami Dolphins fan all
the way from London, England. Fingers crossed. I'm assuming that
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he winds up with to A in the A Dave.
It's I mean, I'm on, I've never been more excited
about a sporting event than this. This is finally the
end of, you know, two decades of heartache for Miami
Dolphins fans and not really having a franchise quarterback. Tomorrow
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night will be over when they take to A and
and and everything turns around for the franchise super Bowl
three years from now. Well, I I can't tell how
glib you're being about this. I don't think the biggest
sporting event of your life. But it is interesting that
if I would have told anybody, you know what, a
year ago, eighteen months ago that the Dolphins, Yes, all
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this suffering that you're going through right now does result
in you getting to the guy who threw the touchdown
past the bank, which Georgia pulled off the big rally
to win the national championship. You would have been over
the moon. And now this nonsense owed to to the
g MS and personnel guys floating like like Justin Herbert
better than they like to. And I don't know about
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these medicals even though he's already passed the medicals, and
everything is a whole bunch of hooey and apple sauce.
Now let's say hello to one half of the finest
radio show and all the land. And of course I
was just on it this week. The Kibbits, the glorious
new Los Angeles Chargers get ups, and he is hoping,
as the voice of the Los Angeles Chargers, that his
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team winds up with two A, it's everybody already working
on my touchdown calls as a matter of fact. Or
two you want to hear it. Yeah, here's what I'm thinking.
And I don't want to scream it because my room
is an echo chamber here. But it'll go touchdown to
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a tongue of my look. I like it. Actually, I'd
be more down for it. Now if he doesn't go
to the Dolphins, I'm I'm okay with him going to
the charge. As long as you do that every single time,
no excuses, no no alternatives. I like that there have
been in our during our lifetimes, there's been. You know,
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there's m J people can go with. Kobe comes to mind,
the one name, the little nickname, and that suffice as Shack.
Obviously we could do a number of those, but people
just refuge. They just checked out very We're we're cool
with just going to uh nobody, nobody. I can't recall
the last time I heard his surname actually mentioned in
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the public spaces. But people are afraid to pronounce at
number one. You know, the first name is too, It's
a great first name. His first name is not to
if you think tong go by low is difficult to pronounce.
His first name is to A niggamnu le polo. It's
spelled t u A n I g A m A
n u o l e p o l A. So money.
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If you're gonna do it, if you're really going to
learn it full first name every time. By the way,
that would be a great thing to go out and
not with regular people out on the street. I'm talking
about people who have committed their life's work to talking
about sports, and I'll concede right out of the gate.
I can't do a good job with two his last name,
nor can I do one with the Greek freak Giannice
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out of it. I always stubble. See I don't do
it that way. Is that it's not it's not Giannice,
it's Yannie. It's it's Greek for it's Greek for John,
so it's Janice, and then it's anti Tanna kemp Up.
I work for the Greek, so I got to hear
it in the Greek pronunciation regularly. Obviously his favorite player
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of all time. I don't know. We like to americanize
everything we we After all, we call it the tour
to France, so I think we can modify a little bit.
Eddie Spaghetti, go ahead, open up your mic. How are
you fella looking good in your Is that a Bulls jersey?
What a trader you are? It's Rodman Rod for the
Last Dance in a Bulls this week. Maybe you guys
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weren't paying attention, but there's this thing on a TV
called The Last Dance, and I've been watching it and
every time I wanted I put on my outfit money.
I actually, well, first of all, spaghetti. How are you
all right? You know came by Haren Beers a little
too long for my liking. You know, days like this
when it's really nice out in Los Angeles kind of
actually go crazy. You want to do a bunch of stuff.
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But I'll probably just take a walk later or something
I don't know I would do, because it doesn't look
like the cubs are being flattened on on on your
end at the moment, it feels like the curves maybe
a being emphasized a little bit. I wait myself before
in preparation any way, comments I'm down again. I got
a three and a half mile running this morning. I'm
feeling pretty good. So yeah, look at that. Maybe that,
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maybe that accounts for the earthquake. Eddie is fasting, is
actually fasting like prior to the show, and then as
soon as we sign off, he just starts molly um, spaghetti.
Go ahead and say the Alabama Quarterbacks surname two Oh
tongua viola, everyone compo. I find it so, I find
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it borderline. I don't want to say xenophobic, but I'm
putting this on myself, but that I can't stand that
moment that you hear in broadcasts when it is a
visiting player and they have to talk about him, I'm
gonna try that last name, and they got to play
by play, the the analyst has to rib the play
by play guy like you must have been working on
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that all night. Yeah, that's that's hysterical. But I count
myself among those dopes take no offense people. I will
say that, and it is true, and DJ calls me
on it regularly, because when you do practice, and you know,
for I don't think I haven't having in front of me.
I think I do. Um. So when you do a
game and you put together your your so called boards,
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you know, I always will spell things out phonetically, and
you know, every now and then when a player makes
a big play, he'll be like, yeah, you just wanted
to get that in there. You were dying to get
that guy's name because you work so hard to make
sure you pronounced it. And sure enough, he's absolutely right.
And it always tracks me up when people like, here's
a good one. Um, I don't know if you can
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see it, but there's old Larry Ogan job when they
play the Browns and it's you know, what, do you
know there's a Larry Ogan Jovi who makes that play?
And Daniels always like DJs like shut up you and
you're but I gotta make sure I get a the
guy won't even make the tackle of you know what,
they'll DJ you saw good job over there and you
certainly impacted that. Lafe definitely definitely an elite surname to
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to say ogan job. Most of the best names reside
in UH in the NHL. And before we get into
any of this all the draft intrigue, where do you
guys come down on? Because hockey as of this morning
was in the news because it was floated briefly, this
neutral sight thing in North Dakota. I don't know where
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that they all return for some sort of limited run
and now it's maybe it'll be in two or four
different NHL cities, I legitimately, And I talked about this
last week with them with Ross Tucker and Jeff Schwartz,
and I said, are we being cavalier? And I'm not
trying to get up on mouthpious, but are we being
awfully cavalier about the players and and all attending gigs
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surrounding putting on a live sporting event. However much you
modify limb at the bodies out there. They're gonna be
cameras and obviously coaches and trainers and all that kind
of stuff. I mean, there's going to be some percentage
of guys that are gonna be like, Nope, not doing it.
I'm not leaving my family behind to do stuff. I'm not.
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I'm not leaving them to fend for themselves one, but
I'm also not sequestering myself with the rest of the league.
And and just as a caveat, as a reminder for
anyone who listens to the show. Fun fact about me,
I really like watching sports on TV, and yet I
I think that you're it is a gathering storm. If
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the league's if the NHL owners are like yep, get back, guys,
and the NFL and the NHL p A even says like, Okay,
some of us are willing to go back. I asked
Tucker and Shortz as they said, Well, Tom Brady would
definitely get there's no way he'd sit it out. Maybe
Drew brees Wood though, and then what then you get
in this weird space of like scabs or what I mean,
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like different way their day for you and I with
our cannon arms, like I only need Drew Brees and
a couple other quarterbacks to to say we're not playing
and money that. You know, there're a lot of Brits
in l A I think I think l A m
has more British residents than any city outside of English City.
How about you installed me at quarterback? Consider right? How
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about that's a that's a great charge. You lost out,
you lost out on ta here comes juh. Look you
know I'm listen South pol same thing, you know, Fiery.
You know I'm about the same size that upgrade the
right side of their lines. So you know they are
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set up for you, that's for certain. I certain I
don't have the checkered health past, you know, I mean
grade yeah, I mean could could you know the doctors
will tell you could stay in a lose some weight. Sure,
but you know that that applies to at least one
um top to your co order back that I can
think of right now, kind of from the same next um.
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But I yeah, what do you think? What do you like? One?
No idea? Like? I think I don't know who they're
taking their cues from in terms of what, you know,
what decisions they make, where they decide to do it,
Who gets sequestered. How long it's for? You know? Lee
Steinberg was talking to see NBC. I saw him this
morning on there about baseball, and he described it as
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kind of like a three tiered plan where you run
it like spring training, and you start with pitchers and catchers,
they're all tested and sequestered them. The position players showed
up same thing, and three groups guys that have already
had to have anybody's guys that have never had it,
guys that currently have it and are quarantined. And he says,
you know, with a month of that tier, you start
playing baseball games. Uh, and you cycle on and off
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with teams so guys can go home and see their family,
and when they come back, you start that process again
of testing anybody's not positive positive in quarantine. And you
can run that chael over the course of X number
of months. It's not gonna be a hundred and sixty
two games. I thought it was a really interesting proposition
that way, you aren't asking people to be away from
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their their families for four months or something, but instead
maybe for six weeks at a time, which is still
a long while. I think the most like to me,
the most interesting part of it is, you know, I
obviously you know, a big thank you and and you know,
just immense praise and respect for all of those people
that are working right now that are putting themselves in
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harms way, particularly in the medical field. But there's there's
Amazon van drivers, ups drivers, are postmen, are grocery store workers,
people that are still operating take out, Like I can
I can argue that baseball and hockey and basketball players
are important. You know that that that this this country
consumes sports more than anything else. It is the number
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one consumed product of our nation. And we'd be a
lot better off emotionally and in terms of mental health
if there were games to watch every night. And if
you I didn't give you presented it that way to
players like hey, believe it or not, you get dressed
up in funny outfits and play a game, but it's important,
like if it is important to I don't think you
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know what I'm and I'm not um kind of teasing
you about this. I think that one thing you don't
need to convince those guys of is their importance in society.
I think they get that, and I think that's not
the tough sell. I think though, that there will I
think almost certainly there. I mean Clayton Kershaw as a
for instance, one of the bigger stars in baseball, if
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he said I'm not doing it, that's going to create
a crazy um pr issue for baseball and for the Dodgers.
And you know, people love to get this is like,
So this is what I would push back on to Kershaw. Right,
It's like, Kersha, I get you don't want to do it,
and you don't have to because you've made three million
dollars in your career. But guess what, there's guys that
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are vets that are in their lad year that have
never made more than a million bucks a year, and
if they don't play this year, they're not gonna get
paid and they're probably never gonna play again. And this
is their last shot at it. And you feel like
you got a team that can win the World Series?
Are you really gonna Are you really gonna short change
them because you don't want to do it? If like,
you can present it as we are taking all the
precautions for you to be safe, for you to stay healthy,
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and then I would just push back and say, you know,
guess what, these people probably don't want to do it
at the grocery store either. You know, they probably don't
want to do it and deliver bands either, but they
got to make a paycheck. And you know, if your
drive around l A, there's guys doing construction every day
and they're wearing masks and they're building you know whatever,
individual homes and giant commercial real estate and Sofi Stadium,
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and maybe they don't want to do it, but they are. Um.
Now again, I'm doing all that under the caveat of
if if the people that know a hell of a
lot more about this than I do, the medical professionals
saying no, that is stupid, then don't do it. But
when I hear Dr Fauci say I could really use
some baseball, and I do think there's a path for
them to do this obviously without fans, then I would say, hey,
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listen to that guy and see if you can figure
it out. I love, I love exactly what you're saying,
and I hope that's true. I just think that, as
I say, one, you know, the big asterisk is the
players safety, and you know, what do I know about
anything um related to the law. But um, Nevertheless, I'll
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dip my toe into those waters all you need is
for one guy, you know, one guy force back in
the platoon player for for um, you know the Mariners
get something, you know, get something, and then you know
the out and if just if one guy doesn't do it,
then the PR disaster of like, you know, people love that.
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You guys are multi millionaires. Who are you to complain
that kind of mentality? You'll get chunks of sportsman's turning
against the athletes. You think the kneeling stuff a couple
few years ago was bad. I think refusing to do this,
you know, cloaked in exactly what you're laying out, do
it for your country, Nope, not interested is going is
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going to create a crazy PR situation for the league's
if they try to do that. Handsome Yeah, I agree,
But I do think that there is as compared to
the kneeling issue and the anthem issue, um, everyone is
going to be there. There will be more sympathy for
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people who don't want to do it. I'm not I
don't think everyone is going to tun I think from
a I think baseball is a little bit different because
to Money's point, you can separate it. I think with football,
the contact between players means that you it just it's
a little bit. It's a different literally a different sport,
but I think it's a different approach. Um. It's gonna
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be hard to keep players away from each other and
to the quarantine one group from another. You know, people
have specific roles. I think, you know, you know, we
live in a at the best. I think this is
a parallel that'll work. Tell me if it does or not.
But I think about self driving cars, right, and everyone's like,
I don't even know computer drive me. And you're like, well, yeah,
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but if you look at the numbers, and accidents would
drop by about ninety nine point nine percent because the
computers would be on a grid and well that glitch
and then I'm gonna drive into a truck that it
thinks as a cloud, you know. Then ever then I'm dead.
It's like, yeah, but that's that's point one percent of
the time. And I think that's that's just the culture
that we live under, and that it's not about the
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of the guys that are going to stay healthy or
be maybe contracted and deal with a you know, perhaps
a subtle or a somewhat you know, gnarly case of COVID,
but come out on the other not the other side
of it and be healthy. It's that worst case scenario.
Oh my gosh, what if somebody gets it and it
affects them to a point where they die, Then that's it.
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It's over like And that's what they're thinking about, is
that percentage, which I understand, totally understand. I think how
we are operating and how we approach you. I think
you know, listen, believe me. I certainly, if I could
pick what would entertain me for the next six weeks,
it would be the Stanley Cup playoffs. I would love
a certainly as a Pittsburgh Penguins fan. By the way,
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they get uh, shake and baked, Jake gnselback, look out NHL, right,
Eddie Spaghetti. You know what I'm talking about. I just
I wonder, um, you know, uh, I think that the
headache we're right now kind of sleeping on is this
idea of some percentage of stars. And that's exactly right. Money.
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It's not gonna be the ham and Eggers that are,
you know, trying to play for two or four years,
make some money and set themselves up. It's the it's
the superstars who are already who have enough money in
the bank. That they're not incentive, they're not desperate to
get out there and do it. And if those guys
know show how that then would corrupt the integrity of
the playoffs. As a for instance, Alex says, Nope, not
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doing it. I'm not risking it. Then Caps fans would
would you know, riot, perhaps not in the streets, but
online at least. Um anyhow, all right, I'm just curious
to bring it back to the NFL though. You know,
the biggest news over the last twenty four hours has
been joining his former teammate Tom Brady and Tampa. You know,
we talk like Levan Bell, for example, and he kind
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of disproved this theory that well, you take a year
off at a certain age, then you're actually maybe you
come back healthier on the other side of it. And
Gronk obviously has taken his year out and lost a
lot of weight. But you know, partly, I guess presumably
one of the things that factored into his decision to
to come out of a year hiatus was that he
feels better and feels like he's ready to play again.
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But if those guys, if him and Brady, for example, don't,
if football doesn't happen this year, a year, a year
further along, a year older. Are they her off or
are they worse off? And does that hurt you know that?
That's that to me is a tricky I want them
to plan Tampa. I wanted to happen. I want the
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as Roger Goodrell said, we're planning on starting on time.
That's what I'm planning on as we sit here on
April two, wait until until Sophi Stadium has two of
there with the visiting dolphin. It's funny you mentioned that
because we're going back to Miami, which means I have
an opportunity to go back to that same water park
that I was humiliated at this last trip I took there.
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I might come with your money. Let's do it, please,
please do so I don't have to deal with the again,
the derision and the humiliation I suffered at the hands
of me being a middle aged man walking around a
water park by himself, asking two young boys if they
wanted to ride a particular slide with him because there
were no single writers allowed. I'd like, sir, please move on,
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just just give me a second here, kids, listen, you
put me in this thing and we're gonna go a
lot faster and a lot higher on that. All right,
there's more weight and you're gonna get more mass. And sir,
please please leave the slide area, all right, I'm out
of here, so yes, please join me in Miami. Well
since as Handsome takes a sip from his Miami Dolphins
um cup and uh and Matt money Smith, where's his
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captain's hat? I don't know how exaguas celebrating. You know,
California Chargers. You know, the seafaring is a is a
a bit of industry here still, and so anyway, let's
start there, and then I do want to talk about
about Burrow. But so you all right, we have the
Dolphins rep. We have the Chargers rep. Here. Does anybody
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here and Eddie Spaghetti chime in yourself? Um on this one?
Does anybody by any of this jib that t isn't
the one a option for all teams that want a
quarterback right now? It's just a question of who is
going to elevate to get him. In all likelihood, it's
starting to track in that way that the Skins might
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trade down from two or maybe the Giants are willing,
if that makes some sense, or the Lions at three.
Everybody's been talking about that one since the Lions played
their last game. I mean, to a winds up to
me with the Chargers or Dolphins and goes absolutely positively
no later than the sixth overall start with you, Handsome,
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I agree. I mean, I don't see it huntening in
any other way, but I can I can understand why
there would be a certain amount of sort of conservative
thinking amongst gms who haven't had a chance to test
him and pull his leg or whatever it is you
need to do to make sure that his hip is
still attached to the rest of his body, um, so
that they can find out whether he'd be the right
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quota back. Not from a talent and mental makeup and
everything else, which I think we've seen him do consistently Alabama,
but from is he going to be available to play
seventeen weeks a year or hopefully twenty one weeks a
year for the Dolphins in the future. But I agree,
I think he's going, and I think probably when it
comes to it, one of those two teams may wind
up even trading up for him. It just occurs to
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me that in the past, when those trade ups have happened.
They've happened. You know, weeks out from the draft is
where the value has been realized. And because of everything
that's happening, And maybe this is just you know, both
either or both of those two teams trying to talk
the value down. If it happens today or tomorrow, the
Redskins or Giants are probably not going to get the money, sorry,
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the picks that they would have got in a in
a normal year for a team to trade up to
two or three to take a quarter of that money,
how say you? Well, Um, I disagree with with your
premise that it's WHOI on Herbert. I've heard from enough
people that that there are Herbert fans out there that
really really like him as a prospect. That love is build,
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love is stature, love his brain, his makeup, um and
and believe him to be a solid, strong NFL quarterback prospect.
So and I know for not for a fact, but
I feel pretty comfortable saying that there are people, um
in the Dolphins organization that that prefer him. Um And
and look, it's medical and medical changes everything. I mean
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that that is a scary proposition when you're going to
invest a top five pick in a quarterback in the
future and you're just not comfortable, you know. I know
Mike Lombardi wrote about it in at The Athletic and
he said, you know, I think he mentioned he talked
to double digit gms and over half of them weren't
comfortable with him. That that it wasn't just a hip
and the clean bill of help, but the fact that
he's got two ankles, that he had a risk and
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and it just seemed like there was always something. And
for someone who's so instinctive as a player, it's really
hard to coach him into giving up on place and
to avoiding contact because he's just such a competitor and
that's the way he's hardwired. It's almost the you know,
not that Russell Wilson gives up on place, but he
has this innate ability to get rid of the ball
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or get out of harm's way, whereas to Ah is
so competitive and have such a strong, accurate arm that
he's willing to hang in until the last second before
he lets it fly. And that's where you get into
this trouble. So that's one facet of it. I do
think there is concerned there um that that the NFL
is bigger, stronger, faster, and this guy's gonna take hits
and we're worried about how he's gonna hold up um
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now using the money? Do you think so? To me,
it was in my mind and you can talk me
out of this very quickly. But to me, it seems
like the Chargers will do will either get to U
or they'll be more than happy to take Isaiah Simmons
and have a dominant defense ready to roll against Patrick
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Mahomes and company as they chase a repeat. That seems
like a good move instead of justin Herbert, who does
feel still like a wild card and doesn't give you
the pop in terms of you know, pr or whatever
you're looking for as you open a new stadium, is
gonna sell Jersey Is too, is gonna sell tickets too,
is immediately going to become one of the most popular
sporting figures in Southern California. No, I have no doubt
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about that. I think about it is Herbert not Isaiah Simmons.
If it comes down to I mean, I I don't know,
I really don't, and I just I don't. The Chargers
and I worked for the team. They played their cards
so close to the vest and they always have. You know,
Tom Tolesco told me a story. He said the in
all his years of being GM, the one time that
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they were settled on a prospect more than anybody else
with their pick. They were one certain they were taking
Joey Bosa in two thousand and sixteen, and not a
single mock draft or a single media draft analysts had
them taking Bosa. They had him take the tonsil. Ronnie
Stanley's like, I don't think there was one. He goes
and we were locked into bots just from the moment
the process began. So I think that speaks to how
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UM misleading all of this in form anition can be.
So I don't know. I can just give you what
my opinion is from talking to people around you know,
the people that we work with and other scouts that
I've I've been able to get to know UM current
people you know that are employed and people that are
formally employed and now work in the media, and they
have a big gap. You know that most of them
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have a gap between two and Herbert. So that would
be my path is I would rather have Isaiah Simmons
at six and then you know there's a lot of
buzz on justin Herbert and and what they think he
can I'm sorry, a lot of buzz on Jalen Hurts
and what he could develop into if you take him
at thirty seven. Um. And and like you said, just
build that dominant defense to slow down the Chiefs. By
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taking Simmons at six, pairing him up with Derwin James,
it's like having a Derwin James with an act for
fifteen pounds in two inches on them out on the field. UM.
But I would not be surprised at all if if
two was gone and they end up taking Herbert. I
do think there's probably enough fans. But Tom Talasco has
seen him playing a bunch and of all games, he
was at the Road Bowl and he was at the
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USC game, so he got to see two of Herbert's
best ever performances. Um. And obviously that's going to go
a long way. When you see a guy in person
making big plays to win a Rose Bowl for Oregon,
I think is going to have a lasting effect. So
I would not be surprised at all if two were
gone and they decided to go with Herbert. I also
think it's funny that wrote in I would say to
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LESCo this side of Ozzy Newsom has been maybe the
best draft or of the twenty one century. So have
faith whichever way it goes. Chargers fans, he generally makes
the right call, more so than that than his peers,
as well as yeah, no, it's funny. I mean to
let's goo, I agree with you money, and it sounds
like that's suddenly the story is that he doesn't. I
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think he's never even told his wife what the pick
is going to be. On the other hand, the Dolphins
have over the last few years. And this just may
just be because I'm kind of as locked in as
I can be with with everything that's happening around that team.
But I've pretty much known who they were going to
take in the first round of the draft for for
about five or six years and row, and it came
to fruition, and there's some think it was guys. It
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was guys that no one else was predicting to be
in the first round. I remember when Juan James was
taken by them as a right tackle several years ago,
and nobody else, you know, he wasn't showing up on
any other mock draft. And then for about two weeks
out it was Johan James to the Dolphins, but nowhere
else was he going in the first round at all,
And sure enough on draft they remember when they drafted
Gardodric it was the same thing. But this time around,
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I feel like they're there. Um you know, Chris Greer,
their GM and and and the rest of their stuff
have done a great job of spreading misinformation and literally
every single beat writer in Miami has connected them with
different quarterbacks. I've seen Dan Marino being quoted that he
likes each of the three top quarterbacks and thinks they're
the best prospect he's seen in a long time. So
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they have done everything they can for a long period
now to to sort of try and spread different word
and to bring us to the point where we are
now where no one already knows what they're going to do,
and even to the extent that people are now playing
as of this week, oh they're probab take a tackle
at five and maybe think about coming back for a
quarterback at any team when they when they have the
Steelers pick the I think the interesting nugget there is,
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and I've heard a very similar sort of thing out
of that camp, is that it leads you to believe
they don't want to trade up. They don't want to
get rid of that draft capital um. And I think
the same goes for the Chargers. They have seven picks,
one in each round. Um if if you know, because
you have such promising prospects at the top of the draft,
you know, you know, I don't think Washington is going
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to trade back to wherever you might put the next
quarterback needy team. Is it the Jaguars? Is it the
Raiders because they think they got a shot at too,
even though they have car and Mariota now on the roster. Um,
I don't think they want to trade back that far.
So I think the way the Dolphins and the Chargers
look at it is they're not going to trade back
past us because you want to get a Kuda or
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Wills or Simmons or you know, be it becked In
or what. You want one of these Chase Young. You
want one of these dominant players that you're going that
that you're not going to feel as good about if
you trade back to say, you know, nine or twelve
or whatever it may be. There's kind of that sweet
spot of Chase Young Nakuda, you know, the first tackle
and obviously the quarterbacks. And I think that's why you
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want to stay sort of in that that seven range. Um,
And I think that's why maybe the the Dolphins and
the Chargers are just stick and pick and hey what,
we'll see how it plays out. Man, We're gonna see here.
Pretty learned good about what's coming our way. I also, yeah,
I I also am not convinced yet. Call me a
conspiracy theorist. I still not convinced given the Cliff Kingsbury
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experience a year ago, that now this is liberated teams
to do what would have seemed unthinkable two years ago,
which is trade Dwayne Haskins and and take the QB
day one and number two and um. Obviously the Lions
would be thrilled with that news, or perhaps even Eddie
Spaghetti's New York Giants would. Would that really love to
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hear something like that. But what about the number one overall,
the thing that could really disrupt things? Do you guys?
We have had in our lives two generations of the
best QB perceived going into the draft. Pull the high
hat move of I'm not going there one three John Elway, Nope,
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not going to not going to you Baltimore Colts, thereby
setting about a chain of events to beat the band.
You know, the Baltimore Colts never leave Baltimore. If John
Elway plays his rookie season there, they don't move. In
eight four ergo, the Browns never moved to Baltimore. They
moved to Indianapolis because there is no team in Indianapolis
at that point. But anyho, Um, then we have the
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Eli draft of BOT four. Spaghetti winds up with his
guy after Eli says no way, I'm going to the Chargers,
goes to the Giants, phill to the Chargers, and the
number three pick ends up being the best of the bunch.
Thank you, um, Pittsburgh Steelers for things breaking your your
way in that case, Um, why don't you make in
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your eyes with me like that, handsome. I'm just telling
I'm is recounting the two times we've seen the number one. Everything,
everything you said that the the best. They were part
of the conversation you were talking about Joe Burrow, Stiff
Arman history. They're not involved, they are not part of
the store involved. No they're not. No, no no they're not.
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They're not all right either way. The here here's how
it's involved Ben Roethlisberger's from the state of Ohio. The
Browns could have taken him instead, they took Kellen Winslow
Junior could have had Roethlisberger, another Ohio kid. I was
I was just trying to make sense of what you said.
By the way, I do want to say quickly, money,
I feel bad and I don't mean to rub your
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nose in it. But TLESCO doesn't involve you in personnel decisions.
But someone on high and the charges organization clearly had
their ears opened. The damnit checks uniform notes. How about
those units right on the side of the hat lightning
bold sns them in the end day, it was. It
was very notable yesterday morning when the uniforms were released
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and you know, everyone's favorite uniform guy, they've damage that
you know, we're not We now know exactly what time
you're alarm clock goes off or it doesn't go off,
because it was three and a half hours after they've
been released. As suddenly Damageeck sees them weighs in as
if like no one you know, no one telling about
this at all. I just was letting all the ham
and agges the Then then the really like let them
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settle in and everybody will be react. Now you want
the official word, Okay, here, that's what that That's what
I did. But the right I mean, I mean, I
don't want to confirm anything. But Handsome, are you excited
about the uniforms? Money was kind enough with Petros to
have me on their marvel Is show. Always grand the
kibbits with those fellows, But Handsome, I didn't get your thoughts. Well.
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My first thought, which was this was like two and
a half hours before you woke up yesterday, was that
they actually and I even said it, they must have
listened to you because it has some of your favorite
your your favorite little little frills and tweaks in there. Um.
But I love them. I think they immediately and I
think they were already pretty much there before. But I
think that the best uniforms in the NFL. I love
the number one, but yeah, I mean that they might
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they were already kind of close top three for me.
I love the pants, the lightning bolt on the pants,
and I love the yellow pants. I saw some dissension
there where people were were down on the yellow pants.
I'm all about those yellow pants. They need to wear those.
I mean, I don't know. Money, you can tell me.
I'm to a better Um, whether those are the default
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home home and away one the yellow pants or whether
it were white because that wasn't clear. Yeah, they've always
mixed and mashed. They you know, like over the last
couple of years. Uh. And you know last year powder
became their primary ahead of navy. Um. And and yet
you know sometimes it would be powder and and why
sometimes Navies would come out at home. Um. And they do,
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they do really appreciate their uniform, said, they do put
a lot of thought into it. Um. I had many
many a beers with John Spanous on the road where
I would verbally assault him with my ideas of what
they should do with the uniform. And thankfully John uh
and I tend to see things very similarly. My one
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big push was was gold pants. I said, you've gotta,
you've gotta do it. It is it is an absolute
must to get those colored pants. That the interesting thing
um about the Charger uniforms, and my absolute favorite is
the obviously the powder blue with the gold pants. UM.
I think the gree I go white, white hat, white pants.
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But okay, let's not quit. The players love the Navy.
They love who's but like even even like when they
had their color Rush, not the Royal, which are my favorites.
I love to Dan filed Sarah Royal Blue. Uh. But
the players when they had a chance to put on
their Color Rush Navies against Baltimore two seasons ago, they
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were like, these are the greatest charger uniforms ever. Like
it is interesting, and I think it's a younger thing.
Like my kids love the Navies. They think it's the
coolest looking uniform they've ever seen. The all Navy color uption.
I think it's I don't know what it is. It's
a generational thing. I don't know if it's like the
Ravens blocks or or what it may be. But but
the younger, I'd say, if you're under twenty five, like
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online with my Twitter feed, that was the thing. Like
anybody that was younger was like, man, those Navies are
the best looking units I've ever seen, whereas the older
people are like, uh, look at the glorious powder blues
and the numbers on the helmet, the lightning bolt down
the side, the nostalgia of it. They really they really
hit a home run. May Yeah, I'm ready, I definitely
I'm going to crown them, but but only for twelve months.
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When the Dolphins, I predict, will we'll go back to
the They'll throw it back to the throwbacks a year
from now and immediately reinstalled themselves as the number one uniform.
And yet, imagine those all whites though up in Vegas
playing the Silver and Black. Imagine the Chiefs and the
Red Pants coming in to l A to play the
Powder Blues. It's gonna be a marvelous viewing experience at
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minimum to watch the f C West now back to
That's right? Juah um, the the a f C North,
back to that, back to the Bengals have made it
clear from their end back to is this possibly? And yes,
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I'm trying to stir things up. And guess what, all
the gms out there doing the same thing, so I'm
allowed to do it too. Oh no, we like Justin
Herbert better than two. It fat all right. I hear
what Money has to say. He's better informed than I am. Still, um,
the Bengals, what Borough from that region? This would be
a completely different level than Elway, the California kids saying
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no to Baltimore or Eli, the SEC kids saying no
to California. This would be um a kid from that
region and then saying like yeah, him saying yeah, I
grew up watching the Cincinnati Bengals. I watched him every Sunday.
No chance in hell I want to go to that team, Like,
I mean, what if he pulls that move? Because I
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haven't seen and I really did spend at least ninety
seconds in advance of this podcast looking for any evidence. Yes,
the Bengals have made it clear that they want Burrow,
but is it definitely clear that Burrow is gonna be
like love it, here's the here's the jersey. I'm ready
to wear the black and orange and make the Bengals
the best team in football for the next decade and
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a half. Money. I start with you, I think we
would have heard by now that he wasn't. I don't
think he needs to come out and say I'm excited
to play for them, but I think we would have
heard because we started to hear that about eliin You
know the last time this happened, is it? It started?
You know, a couple of days before his Hank mentioned
these trades typically get worked out well before the fifteen
minute window when you've got to try to put this
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thing together. So I would imagine we would have heard
a little bit more buzz, and I guess you could
argue we did have some with Peter King, you know,
it was kind of one of the first guys to
put it out there, like, hey, if you're the Miami Dolphins,
why don't you offer four first round picks and go
get Joe Burrow? And like, to me, that is maybe
someone planting a seed that tells Peter, Hey, you know
Burrow would really like to play in Miami. Or it
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could be the other way. Look, does Steven Ross like
to U? Yeah? Does he like Herbert? Yeah? But man,
he loves Joe Burrow. And that's that's it's the only
team that could possibly trade up there. You know, I
think if you're the Dolphins and you're willing to give
up that kind of draft capital, and by the way,
why wouldn't you like if you think Burrow is that good,
if you think he is your next Dan Marino that
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you've been searching for for twenty freaking years, go get him.
You're not gonna have twelve guys make your team from
two drafts or whatever it would be eight how many
picks they haven't Hank like twenty in this fourteen guys
aren't making your roster, So why would you not package
whatever it takes to go get the quarterback if he's
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that good and you hear just praise that is heaped
upon him by all of these people that have been
watching quarterbacks their entire lives, Um, just go get them
so that today that it's when I when I read
that from Peter King and hear it from other people,
it seems like a very one sided arguments like, yeah, well,
why wouldn't the Bengals accepted, Well, they're in the same position.
Everyone really is looking for that quarterback that can lead
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your franchise. You can be your your your the guy
for you for ten years, who can sell tickets for you.
So if the Bengals believe in Joe Burrow, why would
they say, oh, well, all right, Dolphins, we defer to you.
We'll take those picks. I just I think I think
everyone's in the same boat and they just happened to
have been the team that that landed with that first
overall pick and are gonna make the picket. It makes
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itself in a way. Well, I I find it an
intriguing possibility that until it doesn't happen. You're gonna have
a hard time disabusing me of the possibility because of
exactly what you're saying. Their teams with the capital to
do it right. The Dolphins make all the sense in
the world based on what they have to give to
with the Bengals to trade out of it. And if
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the Bengals get a whiff and I think basically the
organization saying we're taking him, we love this kid is
probably a strong indication none of this is going to happen.
But if the Bengals there would be I mean, can
you imagine the black eye for the organization if a
kid from the region said yeah, I don't want to
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go there. I mean, that would be a hard one
to come back from. So if they have any inkling
that that may happen, they would try to save themselves
from that ugliness and and and move the first over
re the only way. The only way they do it
is if they have a very similar grade on two
and are comfortable with the medicals or Herbert, you know,
if they if they're like, hey, look here's Burrow is
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you know to use our you know, Daniel Jeremiah Lancer
line grades. If if Burrow is a six nine and
Herbert's a six eight or a six seven, then okay,
well we'll take eight team. We'll take your your four
first rounders and another second and a second next year.
And and we feel comfortable. We coached Justin Herbert of
the Senior Bowl. He was, you know, considered one of
the best prospects the entire week. He won the m
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v P of the Senior Bowl itself. We know, and
that's how you sell it, right like well, believe it
or not. You know, we know this guy, Herbert, and
we know he's good because we coached him up to
a heck of a week in Mobile and a heck
of a game in Mobile. And by the way, we
also got eighteen whatever it is, twenty seven five, and
we got all these second rounders and and one next
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year as well. So we feel that that's the only
way that happens, is if they're comfortable with another quarterback,
that they're going to get it. Five. I mean, I
could cobbled together all these more elaborate scenarios where you
wind up with if you're the Bengals, somehow maybe wind
up with a Kuda and Herbert or twa if you
if you move back and and gain the participation of
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the lines. Anyway, enough about that, let's talk about um
last dance and or in the time we have remaining here,
we have a couple of minutes. I want to go
last dance. Thought mean, let me let me inject something
real quick, if I may, I want to. I want
to bring this up with Hank. I brought it up
two weeks ago when we talked. And Uh, the name,
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as you see on my screen right here is Ben Stokes.
Who's Ben Stokes? Hank tell the people is a is
an English cricket player, an all round a batsman and
bola for England and a true hero, A genuine apart
from some some you know, potentially off the field activities. Uh,
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the the guy that every cricket fan in the UK
wants to be. So here's my question, as a man
who just completed this this Amazon Prime series called The
Test that I've recommended before, I'll recommended again cry PETR
c T, which I was cheering for and I wanted
to see nothing but but parish and peril for the
England side, especially after this moment A man who was
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called the greatest cricketer in the world, a man who
was embroiled in a cheating scandal. Uh, Steve Smith my brother,
all right, my younger brother, old Steve sniff there from Australia.
You have a lot in common. Actually, oh yeah. He
gets absolutely destroyed by this guy Archer who's throwing this
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wooden ball like two hundred miles an hour or something
like this, and nobody blinks an eye Like these guys
in cricket, these bowlers, how I don't know how fast
they're throwing the ball, but it's like a wood ball.
It's it's wildly dangerous and there's no speak whatsoever, no
conversation about them being wild and cracking these guys in
the hands and the head and the legs, like oh yeah,
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but that's just the way it games. You know, get
in the hand, you bet some men against auction, and
you want to be carefully you better keep you hit
in a Smithing one unit what these guys gonna throw
at your head? And nobody says peep or boo about
the fact that he's head hunting out there. Yeah, well,
I mean that's the game money. You know, the Bricks
have grown up playing this game and we don't need
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to wear gloves. It's like when I was once off
off of the chance to go play for the NFL
had a company softball team, and I said, BlimE, I
don't need the glove. Well, I don't need a glove
to play, to play, you know, I've been play and
everyone was like, oh my god, that's that's English guy.
He's crazy. Um And but you know what, we don't
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need that stuff. But I'm specifically speaking to the bowlers.
They are allowed to throw at your head and it's well,
here's the problem though, if you're a bowler that does that,
what happens is the when you have to bat and
by because most of most bowlers are not good at batting,
with the exception of someone like Ben Stokes who does
both well. The other team is like, hey, remember Jeoffrey.
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Jeoffrey Archer was through it at a hundred miles at
your head. We're going to do the same thing to him,
but exclusively, there won't be anything other than that, so
you have to kind of you kind of have to.
It's yeah, exactly. It's basically being an American League pitcher,
there are no repercussions for you at throwing at the
other team. Only the National League pitchers have to get
in the box after they throw out somebody's head. Hey,
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but ultimately, but I'm why did you Why are you
not Steve Smith? Because I wanted to twist your nipples?
What hurts worse? Handsome? Have you experienced both getting hit
by a baseball and a wooden ball? What hurts worse? Well?
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That I mean that's it's it's um, it's leather. It's
leather bound with a kind of cork interior, and then
you know whatever you make a ball out of. It's
kind of like a baseball examply, so it hurts to
get hit with it. Sure, um and and it still scares.
The last summer when I was back in the UK,
played cricket, um, and you you play in a net
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a little bit like I guess when you're practicing baseball.
I went back in a net, a bat in cage
and it um, if you haven't done it for a while,
it's kind of scary when you see coming at you.
Has your eldest Ronnie swung the cricket, Yeah, cricket, but
he is a big fans we play. We were playing
in the backyard yesterday. It is one of it remains.
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It remains one of the great mysteries to me, and
I've asked, I've taken this to the highest levels, including
Tommy Lasorda, for an answer on this one. What is
the proper explanation for why these big league pictures, who
are undoubtedly, I mean at least at least nine out
of ten of them have to be by far and
away the best hitter on their high school team, probably
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on their college team. Why when they get to the
major leagues it appears as though they've literally never held
a bat. I mean, it's one thing. They're like, all right,
you're not gonna you're not gonna slug it for uh
for four hundred in the in the bigs, against against
top tier pictures. But I mean they look ridiculous. I
mean they look like you send to the place and
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they try and well, because they're not getting the reps
every day, all right, they don't have to look like
the uncoordinated old ladies either, or I would say give
them the reps if they were the best player, and
that you're absolutely right, Typically your high school baseball team,
your best picture is your best hitter. They're just an
unbelievable at least that's how it was when I was,
you know, back in high school a long time ago.
But I don't get why they just don't give him
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the reps. Well, if they only pitch every five days,
and yeah, I know, you gotta get out there, have
your long costs and your bullpen section, throw them in
the cage every single day. Why would you not do
that and have them be two way players in the
National League. I just I don't I don't know. I
should say, you know, actual legitimate hitters. Boy, that's a
great point that I hadn't thought of with the five
day thing. Right, if you develop them into capable enough
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pitch hitters, then you don't have to have that deep
a bench. You could just have the deepest situational pitching
staff out in the bullpen waiting to bring in. The
games would take seventeen hours, but still you could just go.
You could go bat or buy batter. Now we're gonna
go with our next riding guy that we have hiding
in the pen. Last thing, is this funny handsome as
an a f C East rival, While not rival, isn't
(49:49):
the proper term against the Patriots? Are you amused by
what seems to be going down, which is that Tom
Brady wanted to keep playing, he just didn't want to
do it for Bill Belichick, And it kind of looks
like the same thing is true for Gronk. Well, it
feels like you are you were talking about, you know,
sports documentaries. I feel like ten years from now, we're
(50:12):
finally going to get the truth from some Patriots, including
Gronk and Tom Brady, about how badly they wanted to
get out of foxbur and why they wanted to and
what life under Bill Belichick really were really like, you know,
people have talked about what's the what's the documentary, what's
the inside scoop really most like to hear. And I
completely understand that the Patriots can put a lid on
everything that's happened up until now. But the moment that
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Belichick retires and those guys, you know what, some of
them wind up in the media. We're going to hear
those stories and we will find out what it was
that made Gronk say I want to I want to
play for I don't want to play for Belichick so
badly that I'm going to retire, and then given half
an opportunity twelve months later, I'm going to come out
of retirement instantly to join a team, which, Look, I'm
(50:55):
excited about the Bucks, and I think it's cool that
Tom Brady is going there, but I don't necessarily think
that that's a team that's going to turn it around.
I'm sure this is the kind of thing that will
show up six months from now when the when the
Bucks are hoisting a Lombody. I don't know. I don't
want to hold you guys up, so I'm just going
short answers here. Sorry to interrupt your handsome, I know
(51:16):
you both have to cut here. Um who gets in
money the Bucks path of getting to the Super Bowl?
The NFC sign right, real quick? Tank nice glass? Dork
um second thing takes a sip from his Dolphins tumbler.
All right, the draft is tomorrow. Also, want to make
you drink out of me Dolphins glass today because good luck,
(51:43):
doph Um so one of the Saints. I think the
Saints win the division. Um too, I'm gonna say the Seahawks,
and I think I think the Seahawks and the forty Niners.
So there's one while card and then that's where I
start to be like, you know what I'm talking myself
(52:04):
into this Tampa thing because what's you know, how how
comfortable are we with all the departures from the Vikings?
Are we comfortable with the Vikings moving from No, I'm
not so. I'm gonna give the division to the Packers,
and I have no idea if that's going to produce
a second wild card? Are we comfortable? You know, I'm
comfortable with the Eagles in the a f C East,
and I mean, I'm sorry the NFC East, and I'm
not really sure about anybody else. So it's like, yeah,
(52:28):
I think, yeah, I think the Bucks make the playoffs.
I'm not saying that that's not gonna happen. I just
I think when it comes to it against the United team,
against the Seahawks team, against the Saints team, that they
wind up falling short well Tom Brady and Rob Gronkowski
rather than despite them. The bottom line is, it's it's
very funny to watch Patriots fans really struggling to try
(52:52):
and make sense of all of this. Like know, it's
it's cool because we've got we've got all those Lombardies,
Like so now you're now you're Fellichack, Like hey, we
coach Gooder then your team does. That's what you're left with.
And those, by the way, those those, I mean the
terrible what are the Falcon's got all the attention for
the bad uniforms, But I dare say that the Patriots
look even we're their roads awful, right terrible. I'm all right, listen,
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I know you fellas. Gotta go appreciate as always you
make in the time with the last dance next week, Okay,
coming to South Florida. Oh, I can't wait to put
a pin in that one. One way or the other.
We're gonna tell somebody have very sad, very sad. Maybe
both of us are going to be very yeah, maybe, yeah,
(53:37):
maybe the joke will be on all of us, or
me specifically for laughing about the Patriots circumstances when they
have to starting at quarterback when the NFL season starts.
All right, fellas, good times. Appreciate it. You two Eddie
spaghetti um keep on losing them pounds allegedly Unty one
sixty point four again I wait in right before so
(53:59):
still up two tents of a pound, two two six
point four to wow, congrats, congratulations. I was last week
down five. It was a new load for me. And
probably half a decade. But I think with the BA
the chocolate banana bread um that I've been eating. But
(54:19):
have you heated that up in the microwave and slathered
some beater on it? I don't need to I get it.
I got it. I got it before it comes out
of the oven. Well, it's either way. Try some try
some butter on there, thank me later. Um, all right,
thank you fellas for doing it, Matt money Smith. Obviously
that growth and money and uh, you know, on the
(54:41):
NFL dot com right after the right after the draft
with Lance and Bucky and and Rhett. We're doing a
post draft raft for however, lunch takes to get through
that immediately after the draft ends on NFL dot com,
So if you want to check that out, all right,
be on the lookout for that, and uh we'll kibbits
with you next week. Until then, thanks so much with
ball fans, it's been a thin slice of heaven. M
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