April 16, 2025 • 42 mins
NFL Network Insiders Tom Pelissero, Judy Battista and Ian Rapoport weigh in on Giants GM Joe Schoen’s comments that the team is comfortable with the current QB room and drafting a QB is not mandatory. Colorado ATH Travis Hunter says he’d rather not play football if he can’t play both wide receiver and cornerback in the NFL. Bucky Brooks reveals his new top 5 prospects list and what players have most movement up and down the draft boards. Cowboys Co-owner and EVP Stephen Jones says the team is unlikely to trade up from the 12th overall pick but could trade down depending how the draft board shakes out. Cardinals DE Calais Campbell joins the show to discuss signing with Arizona for his 18th season and Jeff Chadiha asks the burning questions for last place NFC teams in 2024.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Eight days left until the NFL Draft, and all eyes
remain on Shador Sanders, who has a big date with
the Giants on Thursday. Bucky Brooks has not budged on
Shador as his number one quarterback in this class. Bucky's
gonna join us tonight to tell you why and where
he'd like to see the Colorado qb land. Chador's teammate
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Travis Hunter definitely will not be on the board very
long next Thursday night. But will he go number two
to Cleveland or number three to New York? Here what
Giants GM Joe Shane had to say today, and Brian
Boldinger also will be with us to break down the
way he sees the top of the draft. Kalaias Campbell
was drafted seventeen years ago this month, and he is
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not done on the field just yet. So why exactly
did Kalais go back to the team that selected him
fiftieth overall back in two thousand and eight, He'll tell us,
Joining from Arizona with answers before I'm sure grabbing the
early bird special somewhere Welcome inside with the Insider's alongside
Judy Batista and Ian ral For I am Tom Pelisero.
(01:13):
In my head, all I'm calculating is there was some
child born the day that Kaleis Campbell was drafted. That
child now is a high school senior. That's how long
Kaleis Campbell has been rolling with this thing. There's not
a better voice in the NFL, not many better guys
in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Cannot wait to have him on the show tonight.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
We will break down the draft from all angles, and
let's start with one out there in New York that
has grabbed quite a bit of attention, particularly this week.
We know the Giants side that man, Russell Wilson. We
know that they signed Jameis Winston. We know that Tommy
Devido is somewhere there. Yes, if you're a happy Hour,
that was a Tommy DeVito reference, Drake.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
But how exactly are the Giants.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Now navigating the fact they also have the number three pick.
They have but a tour of private workouts. Here's what
GM Joe Shane had to say today with the.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Signing of those two players. I think we put our
position ourselves in a position where you know, I don't
think that's mandatory or something that we're our feet of
the fire and we have to do. You know, I
think the two guys we signed have played a lot
of ball, They've got a lot of skins on the wall,
and I do think we've upgraded that room, you know,
compared to where it was a year ago. I like
the two guys that we have, and you know, Tommy's
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still in there, and he's won games for us too,
and he's still developing, you know. So we're happy with
the makeup of the room right now.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
We're happy with the makeup of the room, Judy. But
right now they just took a flight to go see
Schnoor Sanders on Thursday, Jalen Milro on Friday, Tyler Schuck
on Saturday. They already worked out Jackson Dark, You've covered
that team a long time. What do you make of
the state of things? What you heard from Joe Shane
right there?
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Well, first of all, Joe Shane began his press conference
by going into great detail about why they're doing all
these meetings so late in the process. Basically, his explanation was,
this is just sort of how the calendar came together
between the Giant's schedule of meetings and the player availability.
That's why everything's happening so late. So don't read too
much into the timing. However, you can read plenty into
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the fact that they're doing a lot a lot of
homework on the quarterbacks in this class other than cam Ward,
the quarterbacks that they think might be available when they're picking.
Here are some of the things that Joe Shane said
that caught my attention. He was asked repeatedly about do
you need to draft a young franchise quarterback and he said, yeah,
everybody would like one of those. Every GM wants one
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of those, and this is the quote. But the value
has to be right or it doesn't matter you get
that one wrong. You've just got to get that right.
When you're in a position to get the right one
at the right time, that's when you pulled the trigger.
And he was asked about balancing need versus best player
available when you're on the board, and he said, again,
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if you go need based, that's when I think sometimes
you can make mistakes at times. Again, I like to
go in so you're not backed into a corner where
you have to take a certain position, and you can
take the best player available. So they're picking at number three,
they're going to have options, he said multiple times they
like the players who they know are going to be
available at three. Certainly we expect that to be Travis
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Hunter or Abdul Carter, whoever the Browns don't take at
number two, we would expect one of those to be
there at number three. I would say that my takeaway
from Joe Shane talking about the quarterbacks is they're doing
a whole lot of homework, not necessarily to take one
with a third overall pick.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Although they can.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
And this is the thing that I keep coming back to, Judy,
is look for the New York Giants, if they like
a quarterback, if they like either Shador Sanders or Jackson
Dart or Tylers or Jalen Milroe or literally whoever, if
they see that quarterback as a franchise guy, then it
makes sense to take him at three. And I know
there's been a lot of discussion. Maybe the Giants could say,
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all right, well, if this guy's available laden one, and
we could come back in the first. There's no guarantee
of any of that, because if they're thinking that, maybe
the Cleveland Browns you think of that, maybe other teams
are thinking that, maybe a team like the Rams that
doesn't need a quarterback this year, might need one next year.
Or maybe the Steelers, who doesn't need one. Probably we'll
see this one this year of them might need one
next year. They might take all their available quarterbacks. The
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only way the Giants can guarantee for absolute certainty that
they get the quarterback they want is to take him
at three. So Joe Shane is right, they do not
need to take one. That is why you sign all
these quarterbacks. That is why you basically set your room
and set your roster before the draft. Most of the
teams are like that. There's not a ton of places
where you're like, all right, this team needs this player.
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That said, if you view one of the quarterbacks as
a franchise guy, the only way to make sure that
you get them is to take them at three.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
As Judy said, the one that they did not work
out privately cam Ward because he is the presumptive number
one overall pick to the Tennessee Titans, but he's not
the number one quarterback on Bucky Brooks board. Give Bucky
credit for consistency. He has stood pat on this. His
latest Top five at every position version three point zero
still has Shador Sanders a top that list ahead of
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Cam Ard, Jackson, Dart and Company. Let's welcome in Bucky
Brooks to the conversation as well as our Brian Baldinger. Bucky,
you have been very firm. You have not backed off
this in any way with Shador centers. What do you like,
what do you think is the best fit for him
in this draft?
Speaker 6 (06:27):
Well, I think it's important to note that this isn't
about where people are getting pig This is about how
I expect him to play at the next level over
the next two.
Speaker 7 (06:34):
To three years.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
Every quarterback guru, every offensive coordinator, head coach that I've
ever talked to, has says the quarterback is about three things.
It's about toughness, it's about accuracy, and it's about decision making.
When I look at shadurs and is on tape, he
exhibits all of those qualities.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
In space.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
The toughness of there, we saw him getting knocked around
a ton his two years at Colorado and even before
that at Jackson State. Accuracy, the ball placement is superb.
He consistently delivers the ball in the strikes, and he
throws with touch, timing and anticipation, and then finally the
decision making. This is a guy that understands the offense,
manages the offense, has worked in a pro style system
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with pro coaching on the Pat Shermer. To me, he
exhibits all the qualities to be a really successful franchise
quarterback in a perfect world. You ask me where I
would love to see him go. I would love to
see him land in LA with the Rams at the
bottom of the first round. Matthew Stafford has another year
to play, maybe two. Shadir Sanders to me, is a
perfect fit in that offense. Dominant run game, smart, interchangeable
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receivers allow him to throw the ball all over the yard.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
To me, La is perfect for sure, Bucky.
Speaker 8 (07:38):
If he's all those things that you described, John should
take him at three.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
They need a quarterback. They haven't had one since Eli.
Speaker 8 (07:46):
They've gone through Owner, They've built the general manager, head coaches, coordinators,
offense line coaches. I mean, just keep shuffling them through
because they can't get that position correct.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Now.
Speaker 8 (07:56):
I do believe Joe Shane what he says by signing
Russell and sign this jamis the room is better and
they don't feel the pressure to take the quarterback at three.
But I'm with you and a lot of the traits
that Chadure exhibits and has exhibit. And I think the
Giants are going back out there to Colorada not to
just do more diligence. They were there on April fourth,
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they were there twelve days ago watching Shador.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Throw the football. They saw a lot there today.
Speaker 8 (08:25):
But I think they need to really get this right
and maybe another visit out there, sit down, like go
through the offense. The offense was incredibly simple because it
had to be. They only had four receivers in a quarterback.
Everybody else is just a free agent player, and so
they ran Chip Kelly's offense there at Colorado, inside receivers,
outside receivers, and Shaduur showed that he can win from
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the pocket. He's incredibly tough. He can throw from a
dirty pocket. And to your point, the deeper the ball is, Bucky,
the more accurate the ball is. That might make Belie
Davers pretty happy.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Bucky Baldy do not move a lot more from you
guys throughout the course of the show, including on this
guy Travis Hunter, who Bucky has going at number three
overall in his latest mock draft two the New York
Giants the other option as Judy mentioned earlier would be
Abduall Carter. Here's what Joe Shane had to say today
about the options at three that don't involve a QB.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Travis is a unique individual, you know, again Dave said
it at the Owners. Mean, he's gonna watch a lot
of plays on him, So he's he's fun to watch.
It's it's unique that you know, the ball skills, the
rout ability and then also the ability to go the
other side and you know, play corner like you just
don't see that very often. Yeah, I wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I wouldn't doubt the kid. I mean he's he's that
type of athlete and he's had that type of production.
I mean it's it's insane, the amount of snapsy played,
amount of snapsy plays a game, doesn't sit down, you know,
goes over, gets a drink of water and gets back
out on the field. So he's got that type of athleticism,
he's got the right mindset. He's a great kid. So
I wouldn't doubt him. If you think about any of
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these players you know that you know may or may
not be in the mix, uh, you know, as a
unique player like him, that played off the ball for
two years and then he's only played one season, you know,
off off the edge and you know, had a really
good season. You know, then you got Cavon and he
got burns, you got decks in size, you got I mean,
there's just he gives you a lot of options, you know,
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as a versatile player. He's young, just you know, it's
twenty one years old and you know, exciting player to watch.
But yeah, you can't you can't have enough.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
You can have enough pass.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Rushers, Judy, if you're just reading body language there, it
seems joshe might be more fired up about Travis Hunter
than abdual Carter. It is also the season where everything
can be micromanaged and overanalyzed. Here, what do you view
from the Giant's perspective? Is the ideal situation for them
at number three?
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Well, he did gush about Travis Hunter, as everybody gushes
about Travis Hunter, just sort of the uniqueness of his ability.
He also said a whole lot of nice things.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
About Abdul Carter.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
By the way, he also made the point that the
foot injury with autdol Carter is just a non factory.
He said it would not cause a moment of pause
when you're thinking about Abdul Carter. Joe Shane referenced the
idea of generational players, and he said, if those guys
are on the board, you have to take it. It doesn't
matter if you have other players who play that position
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already on your roster. You can't pass on a player
like that. And I mean, these are the two players
who most people have tagged since the beginning of this
process as generational type talents. Again, I go back to
Shane saying earlier that he feels good about the players
they know will be on the board when they're picking.
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Presumably that will be one or the other of Travis Hunter,
Abdul Carter, Shador Sanders should be on the board then,
and a host of others, So he feels good about
what's going to be available to them. I think the
question that it's going to come down to is if
he views one of these guys as a generational player
and they are available to the Giants, does he pass
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on the quarterback, which, as we have all been saying,
they really need and they would really like to have
a quarterback, a young quarterback. Did they pass at number
three on a quarterback to take one of these generational
type talents or do they maybe even move out of
the third position entirely.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
Yeah, And the prospect of a trade was really interesting,
brought up by Joe Shane himself saying that heard from
a couple of teams behind him and may want to.
Speaker 9 (12:30):
Move up now.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Doesn't seem as of right now, like that's something that
he's really into. But as you guys know, the closer
you get to the draft, the bigger the trade offers come,
the more serious teams are. And perhaps at that point
Joe Shane will think about it even more. And you
wonder why a team might want to trade up now. Historically,
historically if someone is trading up, it has been for
a quarterback, right except in this draft you have a
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couple illegally players Travis Hunter and Abduk Carter. We've been
talking about them that might make a team come up
just a couple spots and trading if the Giants are
either said with a quarterback, but believe have absolute certainty
that no one's gonna jump them and take him, or
aren't as in love with some of these prospects as
someone else, they could for sure trade And you look
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at some of the teams that are right there, the
Jacksonville Jaguars, Patriots probably stick Jacksonville Jaguars, Raiders, Jets, Panthers, Saints.
Saints have been always very aggressive about the guy they like.
If the Giants are on the cock for Abdul Carter,
no doubt they're gonna get calls and they will at
least have a decision to make. Do they allow someone
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to come up and take the best edge rusher in
this draft?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Eight days until we have answers to all these questions.
One thing we already know, Travis Hunter is not going
to be in that green room in Green Bay for
very long. All expectations, Travis Hunter is going to come
off the board early, and he's got a new place
on Bucky Brooks board for the top wide receivers in
this draft. Bucking Baldy back later to talk talk about that.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
That's an old face right there. Yeah, very cool for sure.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
Back in the.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Burgen, that's congrats you.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
So, as I told Manty a few weeks ago, I'm like,
you've got to see if kalais is rated and continue.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
To play because you're still playing at such a high level.
Speaker 9 (14:23):
I thought it would be so awesome to have you back,
you know, ending your career where you started it logo.
Speaker 7 (14:31):
I was happy to be, you know, standing, so I'm
the chosen all about it?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Just like this feels like, oh this Farbar's supposed to
be there, all right.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Kalais Campbell is going into his eighteenth season, and he's
returning to where it all starts, he said in his
own message. Time to finish it with a bang back home.
That's the team, the Arizona Portnalstraction in the second round
in two thousand and eight, Allo pro bowler Walter Payton,
Man the Year and now guest of the Insiders, Kaleis
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Campbell joins us from his car, which I must be
a very large vehicle. Kalais, first of all, congratulations on
getting back to the desert. Why was it so meaningful
for you to get back there?
Speaker 7 (15:20):
You know, I feel like you just it's where all began.
It's a special place, you know. I was actually surprised
how much you motion my head coming back into the building.
But you know, I feel like a team is still
a really good team. Points to have a lot of
cessus year. I feel like I could have a lot
of guns in two and So the combination of like,
you know, when I could bring you my impact, I
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could have Pointantine and just the story and just like
the history and coming back home. It mean just made
a lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Glese.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
As we mentioned, heading into your eighteenth season, but probably
your fifth off season in a row where we've asked
is this the final one? This time it is once again.
Speaker 9 (15:59):
Not the on one.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
Did you come close to retiring and what made you
want to keep playing?
Speaker 7 (16:06):
Yeah, that's the fair question. You know, it crossed my
mind a little bit more this year than a half
of years past. And this is the closest I've ever
been to like, you know, filming content with retirement. But
when it came down to it, I I feel like
I have more offer the game. You know, I'm still
very dominant. You know, I don't get to play with
many players, but I still feel dominate when I'm out
there in the field, and I still love the game,
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and I thought I can bring a lot of value
you know, to the any team really, but especially as
of the Cardinals. So it just made sense, you know,
you know, it'll be hard to walk away.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Because I love it so much.
Speaker 7 (16:38):
Officially, I have to take my.
Speaker 10 (16:39):
Ball and go home.
Speaker 7 (16:39):
But right now, man, I'm happy I got one more.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
This is an incredible stat that our research department came
up with, Kalais, your first year in the NFL was
Marvin Harrison Senior's final season in the NFL. At that point,
Marvin Harrison Junior was six years old.
Speaker 7 (16:59):
Now is going to be your.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Teammate Marvin Harton? Really, how are you still performing at
such a high level at an age when most guys
are already on the golf course.
Speaker 7 (17:10):
Yeah, I think they really come down to really just fortune.
God bless me with a lot of health, a lot
of love for the game, and desire to keep going
at any level, you know. And then it's just I
have a great team of bodywork people to help me,
you know, stay available and be on the field. And
then I was always late Bloomberg. So I guess that
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finally made a big difference on the batch and think,
but I'm still fill.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Young to Domini kalay Is.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Last October, we media me especially talking a bunch about
the Baltimore Ravens trying to trade for you. Obviously did
not end up happening, stayed where you were. Then we
find out that the Arizona Cardinals also tried to trade
for you. What did you know about that situation then?
And then was that kind of where in your head
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you were like, all right, maybe that's a place where
I want to get back to.
Speaker 7 (18:02):
Yeah, that was the first time where it really kind
of like you know, became real. Like you know, so
I literally had like eighteen shouting to trade from the
last year. I sat down with Chris ber and you know,
we were talking through it, and you know, he kind
of asked me, like, where do we want to go
because all the teams come off for the same thing
around the same thing, and so I kind of gave
him a higher key and renumber and U when I
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said Arizona, he was kind of surprised, you know, and
I was like, yeah, it just makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 11 (18:27):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (18:28):
But you know that's when I first kind of popped
in my head again, like you know, they're doing some
good things over there, and I wouldn't mind being a
part of that. And when Austin came and started trying
to you know, recruit me a little harder, you know,
you know, Baltimore was in there, some other teams were
in there, but it just made sense to go home,
and you know, I feel like I got a lot
of time you would have an impact a lot of times,
like people actually watched up playing a game, and I
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think back to, like, you know, what is it really
what's my biggest motivational factor? And it really came comes
down to, you know, impact. I want to have a
big impact on the field. And I thought, like, I
actually I got the big impact on the field in
the locker room and uh, you know, just in the
community in Arizona. And so I mean my motivation is
I love the damn I'm not ready to stop playing,
and I want to be able to be on the
field to make have a big impact. I thought Arizona
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is the right question for that.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Let's talk a little bit about this year's version of
the Cardinals because they've done a lot of work on
that defensive line this offseason. You of course, but also
the big headline Josh s what I wonder what your
impressions are of where the defense is right now and
what you think you can bring to it.
Speaker 7 (19:31):
Yeah, that was a big influence, right seeing some of
the other pieces that they added, the fregency, you know,
I mean, there are a lot of really good players,
especially in the D line, but D line can be
so dominant, and I feel like games are one of
the laws up front of the churches. You saw down
the Super Bowl and the way Josh went played and
give me that every week you know we're gonna be
tough to beat, you know, And then you got Dalvin.
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You know you have some guys are already there.
Speaker 9 (19:55):
You know that.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
I feel like we're gonna have a good rotation. Everybody
stay's fresh. We just take turns bigger players. And to
me as a as a football lover, I feel like
you win games up front and in the churches. I
feel like the on line has gotten a lot better
than your own Hungary the D line. I feel like
we had a lot of really critical pieces and a
bench everybody else Alma's better.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
Clais You have sacked a lot of quarterbacks, a lot
of quarterbacks, uh in your time, And I actually, I
guess theoretically I could have had to research like this
up and I'll just ask you, have you ever sacked Kyler?
And then whether you have or not, what do you
think about uh the quarterback of your once again team?
Speaker 9 (20:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (20:37):
So actually in a few times, I plenty gets him.
I never technically sacked him, although last year I did
much the ball's hands and he picked it up and
throw it away, So became a force Chamons of force football.
Not a sack, but technically is a sack. I get
credit for it a sack, you know.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
And I think he's as gifted as anybody.
Speaker 8 (20:57):
In the league.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Right, he's, you know, incredible talent.
Speaker 8 (21:00):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (21:01):
You know, had to make every throw. She's a nerd,
tough tackle and you know we can, you know, make
all the ruds.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (21:08):
You know, I think we're proper protection giving him on goal.
He's going to make these good points. He's just very
talented and I'm decary to go to war women.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Kalaias, congratulations on getting back to the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
They're thrilled to have you.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
We are thrilled that you are still playing in the NFL.
We look forward to talking to you again during the season.
Thanks for joining us when we returned.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
We're going to talk about the two.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Way phoenom Travis Hunter. Bucky Brooks has him high on
his list of best players available in this draft. Bucky
is going to join the show next to talk about
Travis Hunter.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Super for Travis Hunter. Emisode Hunter.
Speaker 11 (22:02):
The best part of our offense.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Put the ball in the end zone?
Speaker 10 (22:06):
Touchdown?
Speaker 1 (22:07):
What Travis Hunter just keeps going.
Speaker 11 (22:09):
How do I make a difference on defense? Locking down
the best receiver and taking the ball away?
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Picked off Hunter? And people tell me how to choose
one or the other.
Speaker 9 (22:16):
I just don't.
Speaker 11 (22:17):
They've not in my shoes and they ain't never been
in my shoes. Travish Hunter, receiver, defensive back, Colorado. My
first football memory is probably when I was nine years old,
the first time I touched as ball score a touchdown.
I definitely remember that feeling. You know, it's nothing like
putting the ball in the end zone. My feeling always
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wanted me to be great, wanted me to be different,
wanted me to do things that they have never done before.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
The twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Heisman, and Ward goes to Travis.
Speaker 11 (22:50):
Hunters what the Heisman Trophy representative Neil means that whatever
everyone was saying, that all the doubts, it was that
trophy was an honor to prove everybody wrong and tell
him that I can do whatever I put my man to.
My relationship with coach Trumas, I can follow in some relationship.
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I can go to him for anything. You know, he
understands me. Me and Coach Trumb fish together a lot.
Fishing is always competitive. We always try to see who
can catch some those fish. And the last two.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Times sophomoret I might here whooping him.
Speaker 11 (23:29):
The NFL draft means a lot to me and my family.
There'll be some bettersweet emotions. I just spent that time
with my family and we just have fun being ready
to get to my next destination. Hopefully I'll get to
be the first person off the board.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
Man, I'm laughing thinking about Travis Hunter, the nine year
old just being the absolute sensation in Pop Warner football.
I love those love to see a little more of
those videos. Travis Hunter now the number one prospect on
Bucky Brooks's top five receiver three point zero three point zero,
which means, by the way, we are almost there. Let
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us welcome back to the show, Bucky and Baldy Bucket.
Speaker 9 (24:15):
We'll start with you.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
We have known that Travis Hunter is a great athlete,
and he has been the top corner on your list
really throughout. Now he is the top receiver after being
I believe unranked previously. Tell us what led to that
in what you think of Travis hunt.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
Well, when I think about Travis Hunter when he's an
ath if he was college recruiting, that's what he would
be listed as because he is a two way contributor
on office and defense. For me, I really didn't know
if he was going to be the best fit at
wide receiver, so I put him at dB because finding
someone that's six yet one eighty eight, who has great
ball skills and instincts, that's what you want. But when
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I talk to people close to the program and coach Frann,
they say, look, this dude really wants to play both
in the league, and so when you look at the tape,
he's certainly worthy of being wires one in dB one
CB one. The thing about Travis Hunner that is unique.
This is what he's always done. As a high school coach.
I can tell you most of the time you take
your best player and you do use them both ways.
Because Travis has not only done it in high school,
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he did it his entire time in college. I believe
he's one of the few people that can.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Go to the NFL and do it.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
It doesn't mean he has to take one hundred percent
of the snaps on offense and defense, but he certainly
can play the majority of the time on both.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Sides of the ball and make an impact.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
I'm a believer put your best eleven on the field,
and if he's one of the best eleven on offense
and one of the best eleven on defense, as a coach,
you're probably wise to put him on the field and
let him do his thing on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 8 (25:42):
I mean, Bucky, he was the best player coming out
of high school. He's the best player in the country
coming out of college. He's the best when you watch
him now, his best trained might be that he's just indefatigable,
like he just doesn't fatigue. But when you watch his interception,
d real Bucky, Like he plays at a very high level.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Like he's a thief.
Speaker 8 (26:04):
Like his ball skills and how he baits quarterbacks high
low concepts, how he'll sink on the underneath rout but
drop and take the deep route away from him behind him.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
He does this stuff all the time. And his ability
to adjust to the ball right there, I.
Speaker 8 (26:19):
Mean, we can show playoff to play that You're gonna
show here his ability to adjust to the ball in
the Air is as good as any receiver in his draft,
and probably as good as the receiver you know, said
the Garrett Wilson's the world that have come out and
really show them what they can do in the NFL.
He can do all those things, and his hang time
and just his ability to get his hands on the ball.
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He had that probe day with Shador the other day.
He didn't even wear gloves, Bucky like he just like
those gloves can catch a ball.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Anybody. We all could be All pros with those gloves.
He doesn't even need them.
Speaker 8 (26:51):
The hands are sticky and he can't wait to get
his hands on. Of offense or defense. You got to
play in both ways.
Speaker 7 (26:58):
You just do.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
You're gonna prove two musicians with one player?
Speaker 5 (27:03):
Yeah, just who We're clear, And I would never want
to lie to our viewers where I value greatly. I
would not be an all pro with those called. Some
people might, but I certainly would not. Bucky, I want
to narrow out. I want to zero win in the
running back position. Cam Scattabo is a little bit of
a sensation at the end of the college football season.
I would say star probably not as bright in the
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draft season, but certainly someone who's going to get drafted
to believe on Friday, tell us the movement that he
has had on your top top five lists.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
Well, I think the big thing with Cam Scatterby, would
you just wanted to see what the time was going
to be for the forty. That's kind of like the
natural progression of a scout to make sure you check
off all the boxes.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
But it's Pro Day.
Speaker 6 (27:43):
But now we're in a new era of scouting.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
It doesn't really matter what you run.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
It's more so how he plays and how he plays
on tape, and he is one of the best football
players in the draft on tape. This is a guy
that runs with power. He has great balance, he has
great footwork and vision.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
He is a work or.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
It's meaning the competitive stamina shows up because he can
have a heavy workload. But it's not just the physicality
and toughness that he shows as an inside runner. It's
being able to catch the ball outside the backfield and
to do so many different things. He is a true
fee down running back who relishes contact. Might want to
take that back so he can play all seventeen games,
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but he is a workhorse runner. Someone that I believe
is going to have an outstanding career International Football League
because he can do anything and everything that you want
to see at RB one do and he uplifted the
team in Arizona State where you saw what he performed
like when he was the man.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
I am all about camp.
Speaker 6 (28:37):
Scattered who I believe Day two is going to be
a perfect fit for a team that is looking for a.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
RB won Bucky. Sometimes, you know, when you scout, you
start from their.
Speaker 8 (28:45):
Last game, which was a bold game against Texas, and
you work backwards. Texas had no answer for him. We
know how talented Texas is. They couldn't they couldn't stop
in the run game. They couldn't stop in the receiving game.
In ninety nine yards receiving, he drops that right foot
right should the band just drops it right on you.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
He's fun to study.
Speaker 8 (29:05):
I kind of made a couple of days ago Bucky
to David Montgomery because David Montgomery didn't run fast coming
out of Iowa State. But David Montgomery is a contact runner.
Detroit still starts him and from a Jamier Gibbs and so,
and he's six years into this business and he's still
doing the same things he did at Iowa State, still
doing the same things he did come out of high
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school in Toledo, Ohio. I think Scattaboy is going to
be one of those guys It's going to be hard
to keep them off the field when he get him
in there.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
You know, Bucky Carson Sweeshinger has been a little bit
of a curiosity this draft season, starting to get a
little bit of steam, like maybe he somehow sneaks into.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
The first round.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
I know someone that coaches really like he's had some
movement on your linebacker top five lists as well.
Speaker 10 (29:51):
Detail that for us.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
So Espresiman is a guy that grew up right down
the street for me, so I had a chance to
watch him in high school at Oakshisht High Schoo a
walk on at UCLA, does everything that you want to
see as a special team with just a special teams
demon all on the field, patiently waited for his opportunity
to get on the field, gets on the field as
an every down linebacker, and he plays the game faster
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than the opponent, meaning his instincts awareness, his film studying
preparation allows him to anticipate what's about to happen before
it even unfolds. And then when you see him play
side on the sideline, he eats up everything tackling machine.
And even though he's only a one year starter, to me,
he is a coach's dream as a position. He can
take what you talk about on the board and put
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it in practice on the field, and he's only going
to get better with more reps.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Love him. As a player.
Speaker 6 (30:41):
He exactly what you want as a blue color linebacker.
Speaker 8 (30:44):
And he's six two and a half or two on
forty two pounds. He's got signs, but Bucky, you hit
it like. His instincts allow him to play fast and
make a lot of plays.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
He reminds me of.
Speaker 8 (30:53):
Fred Warner coming out of BYU project him to be
Fred Warner. But Fred Warner started day one. It is
is because of his instincts and how he played a game,
and it's one year of massive production. I've had one
defensive coordiner you know. Tell me that when he went
to work him out, he said, meeba, at such and
such a place, at such and such a time. He
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wanted to see if if he had that thing about
where he's going to show up, find the place and
then meet him. Oh, he was there five minutes early.
You know, like he's just he's going to be a
good student of the game. I think he's got a
bright future at the NFL level bucket because of how
fast he plays and the instincts that he plays with.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
Read all the latest on Bucky's top five list to
draft this about a week away. Cannot even believe this
nfl dot Com slash top five Bucky Baldy, thank you
very much for your insights as always, although you're going
to be back, so it's someone else will be thanking
you in a minute.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Tyron Smith making it official, retiring as a Dallas Cowboy
after fourteen seasons, thirteen of them in Dallas. He made
eight Pro Bowls, well worth the investment the Dallas made
when a fresh face Prodigondell handed him that jersey the
ninth overall pick in a twenty eleven draft. Here's what
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Stephen Jones had to say about the Cowboys plans in
this year's draft.
Speaker 10 (32:18):
Yeah. I don't necessarily see us moving up based on
the way the board's coming together, but you know, could
see a situation where we'd moved down. But we're also
you know, you always look at that pick. We've had
some you know, good things happened to us, you know,
just outside of the top ten with guys like Andre
Ware and Micah Parsons and Zach Martin Hall of Fame
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type players that are you know that fall to you
and you just pick them, And that very well could
be the case in this draft.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Let's bring Bucky and Baldy back into the conversation. Bucky
Cowboys on the number twelve overall pick. In a perfect world,
if you're not gonna move, they're not going up. Who
can they hope falls.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
To them right there at twelve.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
So this is such a tough one because if you
the Dallas Cowboys, the Cowboys have always been at the
best when the offensive line is dominant and they have
an elite level running back.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Playing in the die position.
Speaker 6 (33:09):
And so to me, a lot of it depends on
the board. I'm gonna go right now and talk about
the offense line because I know Baldy wants to do it.
I'm gonna steal this shine. So let's talk about the
offensive line and who could be there. They need to
replace some.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Of the guys that have gone. Zach Martin walked up
the door this year.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
You lost Turmer Smith a year ago, so now you
got to find somewhat up front that can do it.
I'man Meimbo could be interesting in terms of his athleticism,
his size, and the total package that he brings to
the table. This is a physical dude that has great
movement skills. And when we were talking about the Great
Wall of Dallas, they all are big people movers. So
he fits the bill when it comes to that. And
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if you're the Dallas Cowboys, particularly led by Brian Schottenheimer,
son of Marty Schenhaimer who coined Marty Ball, we're doing
run the ball over and over and over again. You
got to be able to move the people off the ball.
To me, the Missouri product would be terrific. But there's
also other guys like Tyler Buyer and Kevin Byer's or whatever.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
You can't go wrong.
Speaker 6 (34:03):
Just take a big offensive line and put the best
five out there and played Cowboys football, which means run
the boot ball, control the clock, dominate the line of scripts.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Well, look, Bucky, I mean you didn't steal my thunder.
Speaker 8 (34:14):
I mean look remember when they drafted Travis Frederick and
everybody just crucified it, and then the other day was
making Pro Bowl off the Pro Bowl and solidified their
line when they drafted Tyron Smith, who just announced the retirement.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
I mean that run that he.
Speaker 8 (34:27):
Had at left tackle. Forget about how long Romo or
Dak needed to hold the ball. He gave him all
the time he needed, you know, and Zach Martin every
single play that basically Zeke Elliott ran ended up behind
Zach mart So they never go wrong when they draft
a great offensive line. So that's part of it.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
But also, I mean you'd like be able to hand off.
I mean if they could.
Speaker 8 (34:50):
Somehow they got a lot of picks, and I know
what they just said about not trading out of that
spot at twelve, but if Ashton Genty is available after
pick number six, somehow he's still hanging around. Like Ashton
Genty looks like a cowboy running back to me, I
played with Dorset, Like we all know what Emmett Smith was.
We all watched Zeke in his prime. DeMarco Murray led
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the league in rushing. Like they need star power at
DEPTICI I don't believe Devonte Williams or Miles Sanders or
either one of those guys.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
They look like guys that are at their end of
their careers and they can fill in.
Speaker 8 (35:24):
But if think you get a star at running back,
you some of those extra picks that they have to
get there.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
I think that would be a good move for them.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Bucky, Thank you, Baldy, do not move more from you
coming up on this show. We got a lot more
for you on the Insiders, including now, look at that
Giants quarterback room. It's got Russell Wilson, it's got Jamis Wisden,
it's got maybe.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
A rookie coming in as well.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Is this actually gonna work in New York? Jeffer Jday
is here to reset rosters for the Giants and more.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Next on the inst.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
We are eight days out from the NFL Draft. There
has already been an awful lot of resetting of rosters.
We're going to talk about teams that quite frankly, needed a.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Lot of resetting of their rosters.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
These were the bottom dwellers of the NFC last season.
Jeffrey gig and Baldy returns. All right, Jeffrey, let's start
with the New York Giants. Are they going to get
it right with the quarterback position?
Speaker 9 (36:31):
That's a great question and alluming question for them. Judy,
you look at their quarterback situation bringing in Russell Wilson
and Jamis Winston. That can't get people fired up about
a team that won three games last year. I think
this comes down to what they do in the draft
and that they're able to find a young quarterback that
brings some hope into there. We know they're working out
Shador Sanders. Maybe that's an option there, but they have
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to find somebody. Baldy, it can give me some light
at the end of this tunnel because these two quarterbacks
are not the answer.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
But Jeffer, just think about the division of the ring.
Speaker 8 (37:01):
They're the division with the Super Bowl MVP and the
offensive rookie of the Year in Jalen Hurts and Jayden
Daniels and Dak Prescott has been a proven veteran quarterback
with star power for.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
A long time.
Speaker 8 (37:12):
I mean, that's the division of the ring, and so
you kind of measure yourself against each other. It's been
a long drought since Eli Manning retired and they've got
to get this right.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
All right, Let's look at the Chicago Bears. How does
new head coach Ben Johnson get the best out of
Caleb Williams but doing the.
Speaker 9 (37:30):
Same things he did in Detroit with Jared Goff, which
is building the offensive lineup and went out and got
Joe Toney and Jonah Jackson, Drew Dolman, and then finding
that second running back to pair with Deandres Flifth like
he had in Detroit with David Montgomery and Jamier Gibbs.
I think if he does that, it takes a lot
of pressure off Caleb Williams doesn't have to play over himself.
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He can avoid some of those sacks trying to extend
plays in Baldy. You have to light the talent that
he has around him there in Chicago with Ben Johnson
coming in, I do I agree.
Speaker 8 (38:00):
And you know when Ben Johnson was in Detroit, they
spent a high pick on Pinney Sewel and he's the
first team All Pro right tackle and they could pretty
much with him there, solidifying that line what they had
with Ragnow and Taylor Decker in a group, they could
run a very sophisticated offense and the quarterback could flourish.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
They've got about him.
Speaker 8 (38:21):
Now, do they continue that offense line building year or
maybe go for that star paleer running back like they
did with Jamior Gibbs and people question it. They don't
question that pick in Detroit anymore.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
That the forty nine ers have one of the biggest
remaining off season questions. How are they going to handle
the brock Party contract extension.
Speaker 9 (38:40):
Oh, that's a big one because you can make the
argument that he's not a quarterback at the level of
a Patrick Mahomes or Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Some of the higher paid guys.
Speaker 9 (38:49):
But you look at some of the guys who are
getting fifty five million dollars a year and up I
was like Dak Prescott and Justin Herbert and Trevor Lawrence
and Tua Tugabay Lowe. He's more than those guys have
league So I think this is going to be in
that range for brock Party.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
But the big question is how.
Speaker 9 (39:04):
Does it affect this team moving forward because they've had
to do a lot of cost cutting in this offseason
that at core is getting older, baldy, and really it's
like that division they're in, it's not going to be
easy to win games with an expensive quarterback moving forward.
Speaker 8 (39:16):
Well, I believe Jed York and his staff the owner,
will get the contract done. Now they've had to release
a lot of players to probably get there. But this
team needs to rebuild their defensive line. Robert Silo's out
there right now. Like they when they were really wrong
outside of the play at Rock Party, their defensive front,
they were some angry sharks getting after opposing quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
They need help.
Speaker 8 (39:40):
And John Lynch was at the Senior Bowl this year
studying this crop defensive linement. They need to get two
two guys with their picks this year out of this
crop that.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Caught his feet. Make me something to really fear, all right, Jeffrey.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
Finally, New Orleans Saints suddenly have a potentially very very
big quarterback injury prop them with Derek Carr.
Speaker 9 (40:06):
Well, yeah, and the question coming in was where they're
going to take a quarterback in the first round, regardless
of what was happening with Derek Carr. But now with
that shoulder injury and there's talk about how long he
wants to be there, it just seems like it makes
all the sense in the world for them to be
looking at quarterback with that ninth overall picker somewhere in
the first round, because we know Kellen Moore probably wants
his own quarterback. We know Sudar Sanders might be there
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at nine. Jackson Dart is a very exciting player with
a lot of hype around him, Baldy.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
And so if you're starting a new regime with an.
Speaker 9 (40:34):
Offensive minor head coach, these guys always want their own
guy calling the signals in the huddle, no question.
Speaker 8 (40:41):
And you know, if you look at just Kellen Moore's
history of being a quarterback himself, actually being coached by
his father at that position, playing in quarterback, working with
Dak Prescott, Justin Herbert, and now the Super Bowl MVP,
like he deserves that opportunity to develop his quarterback and
build his offense around the quarterback, whoever it might be.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
And so I think that's where it starts right now.
Speaker 8 (41:02):
With no Oreans And look, maybe Derek Carr can come back,
he contribute, but regardless, they're going to need a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
People in New Orleans feel like they need a new
quarterback and will somebody to grow with.
Speaker 8 (41:13):
And so going to be a good opportunity for Kellen
Moore to almost hand pick his guy and start building
around the towns of that particular player.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
Baldy, Jeffrey, thank you, and you guys know as well
as I do. You can't have a draft season without
talking about maybe probably the greatest draft pick in NFL history,
a historic day. The anniversary is today when we return.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
News tonight out of Chicago. The Bears locking up one
of their core defenders. As Ian reported just moments ago,
Bears extending linebacker TJ. Edwards on a two year, twenty
million dollar deal. One of their big three agents signing
today a couple of years ago, now getting paid again.
I'm Neil done by his agent, Steve Krrick of Wasserman
was twenty five years ago. Today, the Patriots turned in
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one of the most faithful draft cards in NFL history. Yes,
that's some interesting handwriting right there, but that says Tom Brady,
quarterback for Michigan, the one hundred and ninety ninth overall pick.
And really, Judy, when you go back and you watch
that Combine tape once again, it's hard to imagine what
the NFL didn't see.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
This is amazing.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
First of all, shout out to our good friend Scott Pioli,
who is texting me right now about the Mets dropping
two to the Twins. He wanted me to remember that
he was on the staff when they picked Brady. I
mean If they had known what Brady was going to
turn into, everybody would have taken him much sooner than
sixth round.
Speaker 6 (42:40):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
My favorite thing.
Speaker 5 (42:42):
About the clip is not the weird lack of athleticism
with Brady's strange running technique. It's that the shirts are
so big. Did he run so so because the shirts
were like parachute, bring it back, wind resistance, That's what
it was.
Eight days left until the NFL Draft, and all eyes
remain on Shador Sanders, who has a big date with
the Giants on Thursday. Bucky Brooks has not budged on
Shador as his number one quarterback in this class. Bucky's
gonna join us tonight to tell you why and where
he'd like to see the Colorado qb land. Chador's teammate
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Travis Hunter definitely will not be on the board very
long next Thursday night. But will he go number two
to Cleveland or number three to New York? Here what
Giants GM Joe Shane had to say today, and Brian
Boldinger also will be with us to break down the
way he sees the top of the draft. Kalaias Campbell
was drafted seventeen years ago this month, and he is
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not done on the field just yet. So why exactly
did Kalais go back to the team that selected him
fiftieth overall back in two thousand and eight, He'll tell us,
Joining from Arizona with answers before I'm sure grabbing the
early bird special somewhere Welcome inside with the Insider's alongside
Judy Batista and Ian ral For I am Tom Pelisero.
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In my head, all I'm calculating is there was some
child born the day that Kaleis Campbell was drafted. That
child now is a high school senior. That's how long
Kaleis Campbell has been rolling with this thing. There's not
a better voice in the NFL, not many better guys
in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Cannot wait to have him on the show tonight.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
We will break down the draft from all angles, and
let's start with one out there in New York that
has grabbed quite a bit of attention, particularly this week.
We know the Giants side that man, Russell Wilson. We
know that they signed Jameis Winston. We know that Tommy
Devido is somewhere there. Yes, if you're a happy Hour,
that was a Tommy DeVito reference, Drake.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
But how exactly are the Giants.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Now navigating the fact they also have the number three pick.
They have but a tour of private workouts. Here's what
GM Joe Shane had to say today with the.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Signing of those two players. I think we put our
position ourselves in a position where you know, I don't
think that's mandatory or something that we're our feet of
the fire and we have to do. You know, I
think the two guys we signed have played a lot
of ball, They've got a lot of skins on the wall,
and I do think we've upgraded that room, you know,
compared to where it was a year ago. I like
the two guys that we have, and you know, Tommy's
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still in there, and he's won games for us too,
and he's still developing, you know. So we're happy with
the makeup of the room right now.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
We're happy with the makeup of the room, Judy. But
right now they just took a flight to go see
Schnoor Sanders on Thursday, Jalen Milro on Friday, Tyler Schuck
on Saturday. They already worked out Jackson Dark, You've covered
that team a long time. What do you make of
the state of things? What you heard from Joe Shane
right there?
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Well, first of all, Joe Shane began his press conference
by going into great detail about why they're doing all
these meetings so late in the process. Basically, his explanation was,
this is just sort of how the calendar came together
between the Giant's schedule of meetings and the player availability.
That's why everything's happening so late. So don't read too
much into the timing. However, you can read plenty into
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the fact that they're doing a lot a lot of
homework on the quarterbacks in this class other than cam Ward,
the quarterbacks that they think might be available when they're picking.
Here are some of the things that Joe Shane said
that caught my attention. He was asked repeatedly about do
you need to draft a young franchise quarterback and he said, yeah,
everybody would like one of those. Every GM wants one
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of those, and this is the quote. But the value
has to be right or it doesn't matter you get
that one wrong. You've just got to get that right.
When you're in a position to get the right one
at the right time, that's when you pulled the trigger.
And he was asked about balancing need versus best player
available when you're on the board, and he said, again,
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if you go need based, that's when I think sometimes
you can make mistakes at times. Again, I like to
go in so you're not backed into a corner where
you have to take a certain position, and you can
take the best player available. So they're picking at number three,
they're going to have options, he said multiple times they
like the players who they know are going to be
available at three. Certainly we expect that to be Travis
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Hunter or Abdul Carter, whoever the Browns don't take at
number two, we would expect one of those to be
there at number three. I would say that my takeaway
from Joe Shane talking about the quarterbacks is they're doing
a whole lot of homework, not necessarily to take one
with a third overall pick.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Although they can.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
And this is the thing that I keep coming back to, Judy,
is look for the New York Giants, if they like
a quarterback, if they like either Shador Sanders or Jackson
Dart or Tylers or Jalen Milroe or literally whoever, if
they see that quarterback as a franchise guy, then it
makes sense to take him at three. And I know
there's been a lot of discussion. Maybe the Giants could say,
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all right, well, if this guy's available laden one, and
we could come back in the first. There's no guarantee
of any of that, because if they're thinking that, maybe
the Cleveland Browns you think of that, maybe other teams
are thinking that, maybe a team like the Rams that
doesn't need a quarterback this year, might need one next year.
Or maybe the Steelers, who doesn't need one. Probably we'll
see this one this year of them might need one
next year. They might take all their available quarterbacks. The
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only way the Giants can guarantee for absolute certainty that
they get the quarterback they want is to take him
at three. So Joe Shane is right, they do not
need to take one. That is why you sign all
these quarterbacks. That is why you basically set your room
and set your roster before the draft. Most of the
teams are like that. There's not a ton of places
where you're like, all right, this team needs this player.
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That said, if you view one of the quarterbacks as
a franchise guy, the only way to make sure that
you get them is to take them at three.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
As Judy said, the one that they did not work
out privately cam Ward because he is the presumptive number
one overall pick to the Tennessee Titans, but he's not
the number one quarterback on Bucky Brooks board. Give Bucky
credit for consistency. He has stood pat on this. His
latest Top five at every position version three point zero
still has Shador Sanders a top that list ahead of
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Cam Ard, Jackson, Dart and Company. Let's welcome in Bucky
Brooks to the conversation as well as our Brian Baldinger. Bucky,
you have been very firm. You have not backed off
this in any way with Shador centers. What do you like,
what do you think is the best fit for him
in this draft?
Speaker 6 (06:27):
Well, I think it's important to note that this isn't
about where people are getting pig This is about how
I expect him to play at the next level over
the next two.
Speaker 7 (06:34):
To three years.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
Every quarterback guru, every offensive coordinator, head coach that I've
ever talked to, has says the quarterback is about three things.
It's about toughness, it's about accuracy, and it's about decision making.
When I look at shadurs and is on tape, he
exhibits all of those qualities.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
In space.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
The toughness of there, we saw him getting knocked around
a ton his two years at Colorado and even before
that at Jackson State. Accuracy, the ball placement is superb.
He consistently delivers the ball in the strikes, and he
throws with touch, timing and anticipation, and then finally the
decision making. This is a guy that understands the offense,
manages the offense, has worked in a pro style system
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with pro coaching on the Pat Shermer. To me, he
exhibits all the qualities to be a really successful franchise
quarterback in a perfect world. You ask me where I
would love to see him go. I would love to
see him land in LA with the Rams at the
bottom of the first round. Matthew Stafford has another year
to play, maybe two. Shadir Sanders to me, is a
perfect fit in that offense. Dominant run game, smart, interchangeable
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receivers allow him to throw the ball all over the yard.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
To me, La is perfect for sure, Bucky.
Speaker 8 (07:38):
If he's all those things that you described, John should
take him at three.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
They need a quarterback. They haven't had one since Eli.
Speaker 8 (07:46):
They've gone through Owner, They've built the general manager, head coaches, coordinators,
offense line coaches. I mean, just keep shuffling them through
because they can't get that position correct.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Now.
Speaker 8 (07:56):
I do believe Joe Shane what he says by signing
Russell and sign this jamis the room is better and
they don't feel the pressure to take the quarterback at three.
But I'm with you and a lot of the traits
that Chadure exhibits and has exhibit. And I think the
Giants are going back out there to Colorada not to
just do more diligence. They were there on April fourth,
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they were there twelve days ago watching Shador.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Throw the football. They saw a lot there today.
Speaker 8 (08:25):
But I think they need to really get this right
and maybe another visit out there, sit down, like go
through the offense. The offense was incredibly simple because it
had to be. They only had four receivers in a quarterback.
Everybody else is just a free agent player, and so
they ran Chip Kelly's offense there at Colorado, inside receivers,
outside receivers, and Shaduur showed that he can win from
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the pocket. He's incredibly tough. He can throw from a
dirty pocket. And to your point, the deeper the ball is, Bucky,
the more accurate the ball is. That might make Belie
Davers pretty happy.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Bucky Baldy do not move a lot more from you
guys throughout the course of the show, including on this
guy Travis Hunter, who Bucky has going at number three
overall in his latest mock draft two the New York
Giants the other option as Judy mentioned earlier would be
Abduall Carter. Here's what Joe Shane had to say today
about the options at three that don't involve a QB.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Travis is a unique individual, you know, again Dave said
it at the Owners. Mean, he's gonna watch a lot
of plays on him, So he's he's fun to watch.
It's it's unique that you know, the ball skills, the
rout ability and then also the ability to go the
other side and you know, play corner like you just
don't see that very often. Yeah, I wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I wouldn't doubt the kid. I mean he's he's that
type of athlete and he's had that type of production.
I mean it's it's insane, the amount of snapsy played,
amount of snapsy plays a game, doesn't sit down, you know,
goes over, gets a drink of water and gets back
out on the field. So he's got that type of athleticism,
he's got the right mindset. He's a great kid. So
I wouldn't doubt him. If you think about any of
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these players you know that you know may or may
not be in the mix, uh, you know, as a
unique player like him, that played off the ball for
two years and then he's only played one season, you know,
off off the edge and you know, had a really
good season. You know, then you got Cavon and he
got burns, you got decks in size, you got I mean,
there's just he gives you a lot of options, you know,
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as a versatile player. He's young, just you know, it's
twenty one years old and you know, exciting player to watch.
But yeah, you can't you can't have enough.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
You can have enough pass.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Rushers, Judy, if you're just reading body language there, it
seems joshe might be more fired up about Travis Hunter
than abdual Carter. It is also the season where everything
can be micromanaged and overanalyzed. Here, what do you view
from the Giant's perspective? Is the ideal situation for them
at number three?
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Well, he did gush about Travis Hunter, as everybody gushes
about Travis Hunter, just sort of the uniqueness of his ability.
He also said a whole lot of nice things.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
About Abdul Carter.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
By the way, he also made the point that the
foot injury with autdol Carter is just a non factory.
He said it would not cause a moment of pause
when you're thinking about Abdul Carter. Joe Shane referenced the
idea of generational players, and he said, if those guys
are on the board, you have to take it. It doesn't
matter if you have other players who play that position
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already on your roster. You can't pass on a player
like that. And I mean, these are the two players
who most people have tagged since the beginning of this
process as generational type talents. Again, I go back to
Shane saying earlier that he feels good about the players
they know will be on the board when they're picking.
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Presumably that will be one or the other of Travis Hunter,
Abdul Carter, Shador Sanders should be on the board then,
and a host of others, So he feels good about
what's going to be available to them. I think the
question that it's going to come down to is if
he views one of these guys as a generational player
and they are available to the Giants, does he pass
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on the quarterback, which, as we have all been saying,
they really need and they would really like to have
a quarterback, a young quarterback. Did they pass at number
three on a quarterback to take one of these generational
type talents or do they maybe even move out of
the third position entirely.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
Yeah, And the prospect of a trade was really interesting,
brought up by Joe Shane himself saying that heard from
a couple of teams behind him and may want to.
Speaker 9 (12:30):
Move up now.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Doesn't seem as of right now, like that's something that
he's really into. But as you guys know, the closer
you get to the draft, the bigger the trade offers come,
the more serious teams are. And perhaps at that point
Joe Shane will think about it even more. And you
wonder why a team might want to trade up now. Historically,
historically if someone is trading up, it has been for
a quarterback, right except in this draft you have a
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couple illegally players Travis Hunter and Abduk Carter. We've been
talking about them that might make a team come up
just a couple spots and trading if the Giants are
either said with a quarterback, but believe have absolute certainty
that no one's gonna jump them and take him, or
aren't as in love with some of these prospects as
someone else, they could for sure trade And you look
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at some of the teams that are right there, the
Jacksonville Jaguars, Patriots probably stick Jacksonville Jaguars, Raiders, Jets, Panthers, Saints.
Saints have been always very aggressive about the guy they like.
If the Giants are on the cock for Abdul Carter,
no doubt they're gonna get calls and they will at
least have a decision to make. Do they allow someone
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to come up and take the best edge rusher in
this draft?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Eight days until we have answers to all these questions.
One thing we already know, Travis Hunter is not going
to be in that green room in Green Bay for
very long. All expectations, Travis Hunter is going to come
off the board early, and he's got a new place
on Bucky Brooks board for the top wide receivers in
this draft. Bucking Baldy back later to talk talk about that.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
That's an old face right there. Yeah, very cool for sure.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
Back in the.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Burgen, that's congrats you.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
So, as I told Manty a few weeks ago, I'm like,
you've got to see if kalais is rated and continue.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
To play because you're still playing at such a high level.
Speaker 9 (14:23):
I thought it would be so awesome to have you back,
you know, ending your career where you started it logo.
Speaker 7 (14:31):
I was happy to be, you know, standing, so I'm
the chosen all about it?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Just like this feels like, oh this Farbar's supposed to
be there, all right.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Kalais Campbell is going into his eighteenth season, and he's
returning to where it all starts, he said in his
own message. Time to finish it with a bang back home.
That's the team, the Arizona Portnalstraction in the second round
in two thousand and eight, Allo pro bowler Walter Payton,
Man the Year and now guest of the Insiders, Kaleis
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Campbell joins us from his car, which I must be
a very large vehicle. Kalais, first of all, congratulations on
getting back to the desert. Why was it so meaningful
for you to get back there?
Speaker 7 (15:20):
You know, I feel like you just it's where all began.
It's a special place, you know. I was actually surprised
how much you motion my head coming back into the building.
But you know, I feel like a team is still
a really good team. Points to have a lot of
cessus year. I feel like I could have a lot
of guns in two and So the combination of like,
you know, when I could bring you my impact, I
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could have Pointantine and just the story and just like
the history and coming back home. It mean just made
a lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Glese.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
As we mentioned, heading into your eighteenth season, but probably
your fifth off season in a row where we've asked
is this the final one? This time it is once again.
Speaker 9 (15:59):
Not the on one.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
Did you come close to retiring and what made you
want to keep playing?
Speaker 7 (16:06):
Yeah, that's the fair question. You know, it crossed my
mind a little bit more this year than a half
of years past. And this is the closest I've ever
been to like, you know, filming content with retirement. But
when it came down to it, I I feel like
I have more offer the game. You know, I'm still
very dominant. You know, I don't get to play with
many players, but I still feel dominate when I'm out
there in the field, and I still love the game,
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and I thought I can bring a lot of value
you know, to the any team really, but especially as
of the Cardinals. So it just made sense, you know,
you know, it'll be hard to walk away.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Because I love it so much.
Speaker 7 (16:38):
Officially, I have to take my.
Speaker 10 (16:39):
Ball and go home.
Speaker 7 (16:39):
But right now, man, I'm happy I got one more.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
This is an incredible stat that our research department came
up with, Kalais, your first year in the NFL was
Marvin Harrison Senior's final season in the NFL. At that point,
Marvin Harrison Junior was six years old.
Speaker 7 (16:59):
Now is going to be your.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Teammate Marvin Harton? Really, how are you still performing at
such a high level at an age when most guys
are already on the golf course.
Speaker 7 (17:10):
Yeah, I think they really come down to really just fortune.
God bless me with a lot of health, a lot
of love for the game, and desire to keep going
at any level, you know. And then it's just I
have a great team of bodywork people to help me,
you know, stay available and be on the field. And
then I was always late Bloomberg. So I guess that
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finally made a big difference on the batch and think,
but I'm still fill.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Young to Domini kalay Is.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Last October, we media me especially talking a bunch about
the Baltimore Ravens trying to trade for you. Obviously did
not end up happening, stayed where you were. Then we
find out that the Arizona Cardinals also tried to trade
for you. What did you know about that situation then?
And then was that kind of where in your head
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you were like, all right, maybe that's a place where
I want to get back to.
Speaker 7 (18:02):
Yeah, that was the first time where it really kind
of like you know, became real. Like you know, so
I literally had like eighteen shouting to trade from the
last year. I sat down with Chris ber and you know,
we were talking through it, and you know, he kind
of asked me, like, where do we want to go
because all the teams come off for the same thing
around the same thing, and so I kind of gave
him a higher key and renumber and U when I
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said Arizona, he was kind of surprised, you know, and
I was like, yeah, it just makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 11 (18:27):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (18:28):
But you know that's when I first kind of popped
in my head again, like you know, they're doing some
good things over there, and I wouldn't mind being a
part of that. And when Austin came and started trying
to you know, recruit me a little harder, you know,
you know, Baltimore was in there, some other teams were
in there, but it just made sense to go home,
and you know, I feel like I got a lot
of time you would have an impact a lot of times,
like people actually watched up playing a game, and I
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think back to, like, you know, what is it really
what's my biggest motivational factor? And it really came comes
down to, you know, impact. I want to have a
big impact on the field. And I thought, like, I
actually I got the big impact on the field in
the locker room and uh, you know, just in the
community in Arizona. And so I mean my motivation is
I love the damn I'm not ready to stop playing,
and I want to be able to be on the
field to make have a big impact. I thought Arizona
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is the right question for that.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Let's talk a little bit about this year's version of
the Cardinals because they've done a lot of work on
that defensive line this offseason. You of course, but also
the big headline Josh s what I wonder what your
impressions are of where the defense is right now and
what you think you can bring to it.
Speaker 7 (19:31):
Yeah, that was a big influence, right seeing some of
the other pieces that they added, the fregency, you know,
I mean, there are a lot of really good players,
especially in the D line, but D line can be
so dominant, and I feel like games are one of
the laws up front of the churches. You saw down
the Super Bowl and the way Josh went played and
give me that every week you know we're gonna be
tough to beat, you know, And then you got Dalvin.
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You know you have some guys are already there.
Speaker 9 (19:55):
You know that.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
I feel like we're gonna have a good rotation. Everybody
stay's fresh. We just take turns bigger players. And to
me as a as a football lover, I feel like
you win games up front and in the churches. I
feel like the on line has gotten a lot better
than your own Hungary the D line. I feel like
we had a lot of really critical pieces and a
bench everybody else Alma's better.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
Clais You have sacked a lot of quarterbacks, a lot
of quarterbacks, uh in your time, And I actually, I
guess theoretically I could have had to research like this
up and I'll just ask you, have you ever sacked Kyler?
And then whether you have or not, what do you
think about uh the quarterback of your once again team?
Speaker 9 (20:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (20:37):
So actually in a few times, I plenty gets him.
I never technically sacked him, although last year I did
much the ball's hands and he picked it up and
throw it away, So became a force Chamons of force football.
Not a sack, but technically is a sack. I get
credit for it a sack, you know.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
And I think he's as gifted as anybody.
Speaker 8 (20:57):
In the league.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Right, he's, you know, incredible talent.
Speaker 8 (21:00):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (21:01):
You know, had to make every throw. She's a nerd,
tough tackle and you know we can, you know, make
all the ruds.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (21:08):
You know, I think we're proper protection giving him on goal.
He's going to make these good points. He's just very
talented and I'm decary to go to war women.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Kalaias, congratulations on getting back to the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
They're thrilled to have you.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
We are thrilled that you are still playing in the NFL.
We look forward to talking to you again during the season.
Thanks for joining us when we returned.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
We're going to talk about the two.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Way phoenom Travis Hunter. Bucky Brooks has him high on
his list of best players available in this draft. Bucky
is going to join the show next to talk about
Travis Hunter.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Super for Travis Hunter. Emisode Hunter.
Speaker 11 (22:02):
The best part of our offense.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Put the ball in the end zone?
Speaker 10 (22:06):
Touchdown?
Speaker 1 (22:07):
What Travis Hunter just keeps going.
Speaker 11 (22:09):
How do I make a difference on defense? Locking down
the best receiver and taking the ball away?
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Picked off Hunter? And people tell me how to choose
one or the other.
Speaker 9 (22:16):
I just don't.
Speaker 11 (22:17):
They've not in my shoes and they ain't never been
in my shoes. Travish Hunter, receiver, defensive back, Colorado. My
first football memory is probably when I was nine years old,
the first time I touched as ball score a touchdown.
I definitely remember that feeling. You know, it's nothing like
putting the ball in the end zone. My feeling always
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wanted me to be great, wanted me to be different,
wanted me to do things that they have never done before.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
The twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Heisman, and Ward goes to Travis.
Speaker 11 (22:50):
Hunters what the Heisman Trophy representative Neil means that whatever
everyone was saying, that all the doubts, it was that
trophy was an honor to prove everybody wrong and tell
him that I can do whatever I put my man to.
My relationship with coach Trumas, I can follow in some relationship.
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I can go to him for anything. You know, he
understands me. Me and Coach Trumb fish together a lot.
Fishing is always competitive. We always try to see who
can catch some those fish. And the last two.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Times sophomoret I might here whooping him.
Speaker 11 (23:29):
The NFL draft means a lot to me and my family.
There'll be some bettersweet emotions. I just spent that time
with my family and we just have fun being ready
to get to my next destination. Hopefully I'll get to
be the first person off the board.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
Man, I'm laughing thinking about Travis Hunter, the nine year
old just being the absolute sensation in Pop Warner football.
I love those love to see a little more of
those videos. Travis Hunter now the number one prospect on
Bucky Brooks's top five receiver three point zero three point zero,
which means, by the way, we are almost there. Let
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us welcome back to the show, Bucky and Baldy Bucket.
Speaker 9 (24:15):
We'll start with you.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
We have known that Travis Hunter is a great athlete,
and he has been the top corner on your list
really throughout. Now he is the top receiver after being
I believe unranked previously. Tell us what led to that
in what you think of Travis hunt.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
Well, when I think about Travis Hunter when he's an
ath if he was college recruiting, that's what he would
be listed as because he is a two way contributor
on office and defense. For me, I really didn't know
if he was going to be the best fit at
wide receiver, so I put him at dB because finding
someone that's six yet one eighty eight, who has great
ball skills and instincts, that's what you want. But when
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I talk to people close to the program and coach Frann,
they say, look, this dude really wants to play both
in the league, and so when you look at the tape,
he's certainly worthy of being wires one in dB one
CB one. The thing about Travis Hunner that is unique.
This is what he's always done. As a high school coach.
I can tell you most of the time you take
your best player and you do use them both ways.
Because Travis has not only done it in high school,
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he did it his entire time in college. I believe
he's one of the few people that can.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Go to the NFL and do it.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
It doesn't mean he has to take one hundred percent
of the snaps on offense and defense, but he certainly
can play the majority of the time on both.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Sides of the ball and make an impact.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
I'm a believer put your best eleven on the field,
and if he's one of the best eleven on offense
and one of the best eleven on defense, as a coach,
you're probably wise to put him on the field and
let him do his thing on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 8 (25:42):
I mean, Bucky, he was the best player coming out
of high school. He's the best player in the country
coming out of college. He's the best when you watch
him now, his best trained might be that he's just indefatigable,
like he just doesn't fatigue. But when you watch his interception,
d real Bucky, Like he plays at a very high level.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Like he's a thief.
Speaker 8 (26:04):
Like his ball skills and how he baits quarterbacks high
low concepts, how he'll sink on the underneath rout but
drop and take the deep route away from him behind him.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
He does this stuff all the time. And his ability
to adjust to the ball right there, I.
Speaker 8 (26:19):
Mean, we can show playoff to play that You're gonna
show here his ability to adjust to the ball in
the Air is as good as any receiver in his draft,
and probably as good as the receiver you know, said
the Garrett Wilson's the world that have come out and
really show them what they can do in the NFL.
He can do all those things, and his hang time
and just his ability to get his hands on the ball.
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He had that probe day with Shador the other day.
He didn't even wear gloves, Bucky like he just like
those gloves can catch a ball.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Anybody. We all could be All pros with those gloves.
He doesn't even need them.
Speaker 8 (26:51):
The hands are sticky and he can't wait to get
his hands on. Of offense or defense. You got to
play in both ways.
Speaker 7 (26:58):
You just do.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
You're gonna prove two musicians with one player?
Speaker 5 (27:03):
Yeah, just who We're clear, And I would never want
to lie to our viewers where I value greatly. I
would not be an all pro with those called. Some
people might, but I certainly would not. Bucky, I want
to narrow out. I want to zero win in the
running back position. Cam Scattabo is a little bit of
a sensation at the end of the college football season.
I would say star probably not as bright in the
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draft season, but certainly someone who's going to get drafted
to believe on Friday, tell us the movement that he
has had on your top top five lists.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
Well, I think the big thing with Cam Scatterby, would
you just wanted to see what the time was going
to be for the forty. That's kind of like the
natural progression of a scout to make sure you check
off all the boxes.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
But it's Pro Day.
Speaker 6 (27:43):
But now we're in a new era of scouting.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
It doesn't really matter what you run.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
It's more so how he plays and how he plays
on tape, and he is one of the best football
players in the draft on tape. This is a guy
that runs with power. He has great balance, he has
great footwork and vision.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
He is a work or.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
It's meaning the competitive stamina shows up because he can
have a heavy workload. But it's not just the physicality
and toughness that he shows as an inside runner. It's
being able to catch the ball outside the backfield and
to do so many different things. He is a true
fee down running back who relishes contact. Might want to
take that back so he can play all seventeen games,
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but he is a workhorse runner. Someone that I believe
is going to have an outstanding career International Football League
because he can do anything and everything that you want
to see at RB one do and he uplifted the
team in Arizona State where you saw what he performed
like when he was the man.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
I am all about camp.
Speaker 6 (28:37):
Scattered who I believe Day two is going to be
a perfect fit for a team that is looking for a.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
RB won Bucky. Sometimes, you know, when you scout, you
start from their.
Speaker 8 (28:45):
Last game, which was a bold game against Texas, and
you work backwards. Texas had no answer for him. We
know how talented Texas is. They couldn't they couldn't stop
in the run game. They couldn't stop in the receiving game.
In ninety nine yards receiving, he drops that right foot
right should the band just drops it right on you.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
He's fun to study.
Speaker 8 (29:05):
I kind of made a couple of days ago Bucky
to David Montgomery because David Montgomery didn't run fast coming
out of Iowa State. But David Montgomery is a contact runner.
Detroit still starts him and from a Jamier Gibbs and so,
and he's six years into this business and he's still
doing the same things he did at Iowa State, still
doing the same things he did come out of high
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school in Toledo, Ohio. I think Scattaboy is going to
be one of those guys It's going to be hard
to keep them off the field when he get him
in there.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
You know, Bucky Carson Sweeshinger has been a little bit
of a curiosity this draft season, starting to get a
little bit of steam, like maybe he somehow sneaks into.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
The first round.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
I know someone that coaches really like he's had some
movement on your linebacker top five lists as well.
Speaker 10 (29:51):
Detail that for us.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
So Espresiman is a guy that grew up right down
the street for me, so I had a chance to
watch him in high school at Oakshisht High Schoo a
walk on at UCLA, does everything that you want to
see as a special team with just a special teams
demon all on the field, patiently waited for his opportunity
to get on the field, gets on the field as
an every down linebacker, and he plays the game faster
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than the opponent, meaning his instincts awareness, his film studying
preparation allows him to anticipate what's about to happen before
it even unfolds. And then when you see him play
side on the sideline, he eats up everything tackling machine.
And even though he's only a one year starter, to me,
he is a coach's dream as a position. He can
take what you talk about on the board and put
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it in practice on the field, and he's only going
to get better with more reps.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Love him. As a player.
Speaker 6 (30:41):
He exactly what you want as a blue color linebacker.
Speaker 8 (30:44):
And he's six two and a half or two on
forty two pounds. He's got signs, but Bucky, you hit
it like. His instincts allow him to play fast and
make a lot of plays.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
He reminds me of.
Speaker 8 (30:53):
Fred Warner coming out of BYU project him to be
Fred Warner. But Fred Warner started day one. It is
is because of his instincts and how he played a game,
and it's one year of massive production. I've had one
defensive coordiner you know. Tell me that when he went
to work him out, he said, meeba, at such and
such a place, at such and such a time. He
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wanted to see if if he had that thing about
where he's going to show up, find the place and
then meet him. Oh, he was there five minutes early.
You know, like he's just he's going to be a
good student of the game. I think he's got a
bright future at the NFL level bucket because of how
fast he plays and the instincts that he plays with.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
Read all the latest on Bucky's top five list to
draft this about a week away. Cannot even believe this
nfl dot Com slash top five Bucky Baldy, thank you
very much for your insights as always, although you're going
to be back, so it's someone else will be thanking
you in a minute.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Tyron Smith making it official, retiring as a Dallas Cowboy
after fourteen seasons, thirteen of them in Dallas. He made
eight Pro Bowls, well worth the investment the Dallas made
when a fresh face Prodigondell handed him that jersey the
ninth overall pick in a twenty eleven draft. Here's what
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Stephen Jones had to say about the Cowboys plans in
this year's draft.
Speaker 10 (32:18):
Yeah. I don't necessarily see us moving up based on
the way the board's coming together, but you know, could
see a situation where we'd moved down. But we're also
you know, you always look at that pick. We've had
some you know, good things happened to us, you know,
just outside of the top ten with guys like Andre
Ware and Micah Parsons and Zach Martin Hall of Fame
(32:40):
type players that are you know that fall to you
and you just pick them, And that very well could
be the case in this draft.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Let's bring Bucky and Baldy back into the conversation. Bucky
Cowboys on the number twelve overall pick. In a perfect world,
if you're not gonna move, they're not going up. Who
can they hope falls.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
To them right there at twelve.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
So this is such a tough one because if you
the Dallas Cowboys, the Cowboys have always been at the
best when the offensive line is dominant and they have
an elite level running back.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Playing in the die position.
Speaker 6 (33:09):
And so to me, a lot of it depends on
the board. I'm gonna go right now and talk about
the offense line because I know Baldy wants to do it.
I'm gonna steal this shine. So let's talk about the
offensive line and who could be there. They need to
replace some.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Of the guys that have gone. Zach Martin walked up
the door this year.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
You lost Turmer Smith a year ago, so now you
got to find somewhat up front that can do it.
I'man Meimbo could be interesting in terms of his athleticism,
his size, and the total package that he brings to
the table. This is a physical dude that has great
movement skills. And when we were talking about the Great
Wall of Dallas, they all are big people movers. So
he fits the bill when it comes to that. And
(33:44):
if you're the Dallas Cowboys, particularly led by Brian Schottenheimer,
son of Marty Schenhaimer who coined Marty Ball, we're doing
run the ball over and over and over again. You
got to be able to move the people off the ball.
To me, the Missouri product would be terrific. But there's
also other guys like Tyler Buyer and Kevin Byer's or whatever.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
You can't go wrong.
Speaker 6 (34:03):
Just take a big offensive line and put the best
five out there and played Cowboys football, which means run
the boot ball, control the clock, dominate the line of scripts.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Well, look, Bucky, I mean you didn't steal my thunder.
Speaker 8 (34:14):
I mean look remember when they drafted Travis Frederick and
everybody just crucified it, and then the other day was
making Pro Bowl off the Pro Bowl and solidified their
line when they drafted Tyron Smith, who just announced the retirement.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
I mean that run that he.
Speaker 8 (34:27):
Had at left tackle. Forget about how long Romo or
Dak needed to hold the ball. He gave him all
the time he needed, you know, and Zach Martin every
single play that basically Zeke Elliott ran ended up behind
Zach mart So they never go wrong when they draft
a great offensive line. So that's part of it.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
But also, I mean you'd like be able to hand off.
I mean if they could.
Speaker 8 (34:50):
Somehow they got a lot of picks, and I know
what they just said about not trading out of that
spot at twelve, but if Ashton Genty is available after
pick number six, somehow he's still hanging around. Like Ashton
Genty looks like a cowboy running back to me, I
played with Dorset, Like we all know what Emmett Smith was.
We all watched Zeke in his prime. DeMarco Murray led
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the league in rushing. Like they need star power at
DEPTICI I don't believe Devonte Williams or Miles Sanders or
either one of those guys.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
They look like guys that are at their end of
their careers and they can fill in.
Speaker 8 (35:24):
But if think you get a star at running back,
you some of those extra picks that they have to
get there.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
I think that would be a good move for them.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Bucky, Thank you, Baldy, do not move more from you
coming up on this show. We got a lot more
for you on the Insiders, including now, look at that
Giants quarterback room. It's got Russell Wilson, it's got Jamis Wisden,
it's got maybe.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
A rookie coming in as well.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Is this actually gonna work in New York? Jeffer Jday
is here to reset rosters for the Giants and more.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Next on the inst.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
We are eight days out from the NFL Draft. There
has already been an awful lot of resetting of rosters.
We're going to talk about teams that quite frankly, needed a.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Lot of resetting of their rosters.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
These were the bottom dwellers of the NFC last season.
Jeffrey gig and Baldy returns. All right, Jeffrey, let's start
with the New York Giants. Are they going to get
it right with the quarterback position?
Speaker 9 (36:31):
That's a great question and alluming question for them. Judy,
you look at their quarterback situation bringing in Russell Wilson
and Jamis Winston. That can't get people fired up about
a team that won three games last year. I think
this comes down to what they do in the draft
and that they're able to find a young quarterback that
brings some hope into there. We know they're working out
Shador Sanders. Maybe that's an option there, but they have
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to find somebody. Baldy, it can give me some light
at the end of this tunnel because these two quarterbacks
are not the answer.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
But Jeffer, just think about the division of the ring.
Speaker 8 (37:01):
They're the division with the Super Bowl MVP and the
offensive rookie of the Year in Jalen Hurts and Jayden
Daniels and Dak Prescott has been a proven veteran quarterback
with star power for.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
A long time.
Speaker 8 (37:12):
I mean, that's the division of the ring, and so
you kind of measure yourself against each other. It's been
a long drought since Eli Manning retired and they've got
to get this right.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
All right, Let's look at the Chicago Bears. How does
new head coach Ben Johnson get the best out of
Caleb Williams but doing the.
Speaker 9 (37:30):
Same things he did in Detroit with Jared Goff, which
is building the offensive lineup and went out and got
Joe Toney and Jonah Jackson, Drew Dolman, and then finding
that second running back to pair with Deandres Flifth like
he had in Detroit with David Montgomery and Jamier Gibbs.
I think if he does that, it takes a lot
of pressure off Caleb Williams doesn't have to play over himself.
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He can avoid some of those sacks trying to extend
plays in Baldy. You have to light the talent that
he has around him there in Chicago with Ben Johnson
coming in, I do I agree.
Speaker 8 (38:00):
And you know when Ben Johnson was in Detroit, they
spent a high pick on Pinney Sewel and he's the
first team All Pro right tackle and they could pretty
much with him there, solidifying that line what they had
with Ragnow and Taylor Decker in a group, they could
run a very sophisticated offense and the quarterback could flourish.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
They've got about him.
Speaker 8 (38:21):
Now, do they continue that offense line building year or
maybe go for that star paleer running back like they
did with Jamior Gibbs and people question it. They don't
question that pick in Detroit anymore.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
That the forty nine ers have one of the biggest
remaining off season questions. How are they going to handle
the brock Party contract extension.
Speaker 9 (38:40):
Oh, that's a big one because you can make the
argument that he's not a quarterback at the level of
a Patrick Mahomes or Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Some of the higher paid guys.
Speaker 9 (38:49):
But you look at some of the guys who are
getting fifty five million dollars a year and up I
was like Dak Prescott and Justin Herbert and Trevor Lawrence
and Tua Tugabay Lowe. He's more than those guys have
league So I think this is going to be in
that range for brock Party.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
But the big question is how.
Speaker 9 (39:04):
Does it affect this team moving forward because they've had
to do a lot of cost cutting in this offseason
that at core is getting older, baldy, and really it's
like that division they're in, it's not going to be
easy to win games with an expensive quarterback moving forward.
Speaker 8 (39:16):
Well, I believe Jed York and his staff the owner,
will get the contract done. Now they've had to release
a lot of players to probably get there. But this
team needs to rebuild their defensive line. Robert Silo's out
there right now. Like they when they were really wrong
outside of the play at Rock Party, their defensive front,
they were some angry sharks getting after opposing quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
They need help.
Speaker 8 (39:40):
And John Lynch was at the Senior Bowl this year
studying this crop defensive linement. They need to get two
two guys with their picks this year out of this
crop that.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Caught his feet. Make me something to really fear, all right, Jeffrey.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
Finally, New Orleans Saints suddenly have a potentially very very
big quarterback injury prop them with Derek Carr.
Speaker 9 (40:06):
Well, yeah, and the question coming in was where they're
going to take a quarterback in the first round, regardless
of what was happening with Derek Carr. But now with
that shoulder injury and there's talk about how long he
wants to be there, it just seems like it makes
all the sense in the world for them to be
looking at quarterback with that ninth overall picker somewhere in
the first round, because we know Kellen Moore probably wants
his own quarterback. We know Sudar Sanders might be there
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at nine. Jackson Dart is a very exciting player with
a lot of hype around him, Baldy.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
And so if you're starting a new regime with an.
Speaker 9 (40:34):
Offensive minor head coach, these guys always want their own
guy calling the signals in the huddle, no question.
Speaker 8 (40:41):
And you know, if you look at just Kellen Moore's
history of being a quarterback himself, actually being coached by
his father at that position, playing in quarterback, working with
Dak Prescott, Justin Herbert, and now the Super Bowl MVP,
like he deserves that opportunity to develop his quarterback and
build his offense around the quarterback, whoever it might be.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
And so I think that's where it starts right now.
Speaker 8 (41:02):
With no Oreans And look, maybe Derek Carr can come back,
he contribute, but regardless, they're going to need a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
People in New Orleans feel like they need a new
quarterback and will somebody to grow with.
Speaker 8 (41:13):
And so going to be a good opportunity for Kellen
Moore to almost hand pick his guy and start building
around the towns of that particular player.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
Baldy, Jeffrey, thank you, and you guys know as well
as I do. You can't have a draft season without
talking about maybe probably the greatest draft pick in NFL history,
a historic day. The anniversary is today when we return.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
News tonight out of Chicago. The Bears locking up one
of their core defenders. As Ian reported just moments ago,
Bears extending linebacker TJ. Edwards on a two year, twenty
million dollar deal. One of their big three agents signing
today a couple of years ago, now getting paid again.
I'm Neil done by his agent, Steve Krrick of Wasserman
was twenty five years ago. Today, the Patriots turned in
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one of the most faithful draft cards in NFL history. Yes,
that's some interesting handwriting right there, but that says Tom Brady,
quarterback for Michigan, the one hundred and ninety ninth overall pick.
And really, Judy, when you go back and you watch
that Combine tape once again, it's hard to imagine what
the NFL didn't see.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
This is amazing.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
First of all, shout out to our good friend Scott Pioli,
who is texting me right now about the Mets dropping
two to the Twins. He wanted me to remember that
he was on the staff when they picked Brady. I
mean If they had known what Brady was going to
turn into, everybody would have taken him much sooner than
sixth round.
Speaker 6 (42:40):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
My favorite thing.
Speaker 5 (42:42):
About the clip is not the weird lack of athleticism
with Brady's strange running technique. It's that the shirts are
so big. Did he run so so because the shirts
were like parachute, bring it back, wind resistance, That's what
it was.
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