NFL Network Insiders Tom Pelissero, Judy Battista, and Mike Garafolo discuss Deebo Samuel’s reasoning for joining the Commanders in free agency and provide updates on the top remaining free agents. Colorado head coach Deion Sanders and his son, quarterback Shedeur Sanders, join Bucky Brooks to talk about the upcoming NFL Draft and what teams can expect if they select Shedeur. Omar Ruiz sits down with Judy to explore Clint Kubiak’s expectations for Sam Darnold’s first season as a Seahawk and how changes in Seattle’s receiving corps could impact the offense. Brian Baldinger joins the show to breaks down the Eagles’ latest defensive additions and Lance Zierlein analyzes the 2025 quarterback class!
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
The forty nine Ers got a jumpstart on spring cleaning,
clearing out a whole lot of cash cash based in
recent weeks. But will it all lead them to lock
it up their quarterback on a long term deal. We'll
tell you what John Lynch is saying now about a
pretty interesting situation in Santa Clara. Deebo Samuel l course,
one of the names headed out of that forty nine
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Ers locker room, and now he's speaking on why he
wanted out here. What Deebo is saying also on his
fresh start with Jaydon Daniels and the Commanders. Meanwhile, Or
Sanders is going to have a new home five weeks
from tonight. For now, he's hanging out in Frisco for
Big twelve pro Days and talking with our Bucky Brooks,
who also got a primetime interview with another member of
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the Sanders family. Apologies to Shiloh, we ran out of time.
Welcome inside with the Insiders alongside Judy Battista and Garafolo.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I am Tom Pelicero. That's right.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Five weeks from tonight, the top prospects in this craft
will be in Green Bay, Wisconsin, getting ready to hear
their names called in the NFL Draft. We've got so
much more news to get to before then, and we've
already had a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Of news in this off season.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
One of the big trades was Deebo Samuel being sent
to the Washington Commanders. A deal to was finalized just
before the start of free agency.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
For Deebo.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
He also got an adjusted contract, a chance to earn
up to twenty million dollars this season, which should almost
cover the cost of that all leather suit. Here's what
he had to say in his first meeting with reporters.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Yeah, Brandon and I you is you know, Jaden's one
of Jaden's best friends. So I kind of been watching
them for a little minute now because you know, MI
NBA is so close, But just to see him grow wing,
just to see how well he played last year, you know,
I was just like, man like, why not, you know,
so why not try to come over here and try to.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
You know, help in any espate that I can.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Being in San Francisco, you know, I like, you know, winners,
I like to win. I'm not one of your big
biggest losers. So they went to the NFC Championship. Kind
of I've been knowing Adam Peters and Adam Peters for
a while, and you know, I was just like, you know,
and what's so crazy. It's kind of close to home
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than what people think.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
You know.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
I was always out there in California. Some of my
family live in Baltimore. You know, they got a good
team for sure, and you know, they was just standing out.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Speaking of the biggest losers, Judy Deebo also was asked
about some weight questions that were left over from last year.
He had addressed them in the past on social media.
He said it was not really concerned with that. Feels
like he's in really good shape here and ready to
make an impact for a Commander's team that certainly believes
he can be a missing piece here to help that
team get past the Eagles and maybe make a deep
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playoff run.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Again.
Speaker 6 (02:57):
Well, the Commanders are clearly putting their foot on the gas, right.
They are going to put as much as they can
around Jadeen Daniels. They were way ahead of schedule last season,
and so now they are going to try to push
even further. I was just watching that and listening to
him and marveling at how quickly a franchise can completely change,
completely change its image this was a franchise that nobody
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wanted to touch like three years ago, that's not that long
ago for an NFL team, and now it's a team
that players like Deebo Samuel want to go to because
they think they can win there. That's of course, there's
obviously new leadership all the way to the top at
the owner, but of course most of that is because
of Jaden Daniels and if he continues to play the
way he played as a rookie, if he grows from there,
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Deebo Samuel will not be the last player who says
I like winners and that's where I wanted to be
with the Commanders.
Speaker 7 (03:50):
Yeah, I mean, to further your point, duty, Deebo Samuel
wanted to be there. Brandon Ayuk wanted to be there
as well. We know about that last year and the
way that he wanted and that was before I mean,
he knew what Jayden Daniels was from that experience, but
that was before this past season. And the players that
have re signed there with Washington have talked about I
got to come back, like I've got opportunities elsewhere, but
I also want to be here very much. And this
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is why the Commanders this offseason are leaning into these
good vibes and adding Laramie Tunsil and adding Deebo Samuel
and really sort of going for it because they realize
now that not only do they have all these good
vibes going, they also have a quarterback on a rookie deal,
and the forty nine ers did for the last couple
of years. And now we're gonna get to that in
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just a second. But this is where the Commanders are
right now, and they're going to lean into it and
maximize everything that they can put into their roster elsewhere
while they have Jaden Daniels on his rookie deal for
two more years, because after that, I mean, Tom, we're
gonna be in the seventies the eighties by then.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Who knows the way this is going.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Judy, you mentioned how different things are than three years ago.
I just remember the photo that I have up here
on my backdrop is actually me and MJD interviewing Deebo
Samuel v day that he got to Santa Clara after
signed his contract after a brief training camp holdout.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
That's how quickly things can change.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
That same day, Trey Lance was struggling in practice he
was bouncing a few easy throws, and there was a
rookie quarterback named brock Perty that no one was really
talking about at that point.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Lo and Behold.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Injuries hit, circumstances changed, Perdy gets his opportunity, and now
here we are talking about, as you said, Mike, a
quarterback who quite possibly is going to be that next
one who sets the market. Now we know the forty
nine ers have a history here of taking their time
doing some deals. They also had a lot to clean
up in advance of getting a party contract done because
the difference between the last pick in the draft and
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a guy who's going to be getting paid fifty million
dollars plus. John Lynch begins Stanford Prode, saying, in part
this week, the bottom line is you're always looking at
years out from now, and we forecast and we got
some big things coming our way, and you have to
clear the requisite room to be able to do that.
And you don't want to get to a point where
you have to do things to keep your roster afloat
want to leave that flexibility.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Another way to read.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
That quote, Mike would be we did not give ourselves
a lot of flexibility. We pushed it to the max
for years, trading draft picks for veteran players and paying
guys like Christian McCaffrey. Now here you are, and it's
not a total reboot, but it's definitely a reset of
sorts for the forty nine ers.
Speaker 7 (06:19):
Well, John Lynch knows what's coming, and it's that Brock
Party deal that at some point is going to happen
this offseason. And I know he was the last pick
in the draft. You may have heard about it. I
know that it's a system that people think, oh, you
just plug a quarterback in and he runs the system.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
It's more than oh really, because they.
Speaker 7 (06:35):
Tried to do that with a couple of guys and
it didn't work as well as it has with Brock Party.
So Party is going to look at this and say,
I need to be paid like one of the top
quarterbacks in the league.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Now, if you go back over the last five.
Speaker 7 (06:46):
Years or so and you see the quarterback deals that
were done, the average per year is usually like anywhere
from twenty one ish to twenty.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Five percent of the salary cap.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
If it's on the low end of that, he's going
to clear guys like Trevor Lawrence. Now he's not going
to get the Dak Prescott's number a sixty, but he'll
be in the high fifties if he really wanted to
push it to Joe Burrow, who took the biggest chunk
of the salary cap that's like sixty eight million dollars
per year. I don't get the sense that Brock Party
wants to go there because that's going to hurt the
team's ability to do other things like we were just
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talking about. But he wants his respect and he wants
money that's in line with those other quarterbacks. So I
don't see this getting done until the forty nine ers
and Brock Party agree on a number that's close to
Dak Prescott, not all the way there, but close to
Dak Prescott Party saying that's fair, but it also still
gives the team and John Lynch the opportunity to do
things elsewhere on the roster.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
Well, and to position themselves to be able to do
that Brock Party deal whenever it gets done. They had
a lot to clean up, right, I mean, they had
to clean up the salary cap. They have been one
of the highest spending teams over the last few years
in cash spending. They kept going for it right. They
kept keeping it together and pushing and pushing trying to
win that super well they fell short. It never all
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came together, and you knew the reset was coming at
some point. It has to come now. It has been dramatic, certainly,
lots of big names, but this is what happens. John
Lynch didn't say it, but they had to get younger,
he said that part. They also had to get cheaper, frankly,
because they do have big things coming in terms of
the brock Party contract. This is what happens in the NFL.
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You can only push it for so long. You can
only keep your foot on the gas for so long.
You can only keep a veteran laden, very expensive team
together for so long, especially when you've got that quarterback
on the rookie contract. When that quarterback has to get
paid again, something's got to give, and it is giving
this offseason.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
And I think it also bears mentioning here because sometimes
there's this bias against the seventh round pick. The guy
doesn't have the physical tools. They paid guys. I see
people sales town. How are you going to pay brock
Party that much? You've did a down year a quote
unquote down year for him last year where he doesn't
have Christian McCaffrey, he's got Brandon a You gets hurt,
Deebo was banged up through the course of season.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
There was all kind of moving parts for the team.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
If you look at the efficiency numbers, he's still like
a top five quarterback in the NFL. And when Kyle
Shanahan puts his stamp on somebody saying I want that
guy to be my quarterback as long as I'm here,
that should go a long way to telling you why
the forty nine ers want to get this deal done.
Speaking of quarterbacks who are on rookie deals and the
flexibility that gives you to build the roster around them,
the Vikings have one of those guys in JJ McCarthy.
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As I reported a couple of days ago, Vikings have
rejected trade calls about McCarthy, telling other teams.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
We're going with him as our quarterback.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
They still are going to add a veteran to the roster,
but they are not pursuing Aaron Rodgers. So McCarthy goes
into this offseason as QB one cam bind him now
in Indianapolis Colts after signing a big free agent deal.
He went against McCarthy in camp last year. Is on
Good Morning Football today and certainly had high praise for
his former teammate.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
I trust him.
Speaker 8 (09:52):
The JJ's somebody that I trusted as just a leader
first and foremost. The way that even though when he
came in he was still you know, in the he's
still a young guy, still competing with Sam, but the
way that he carried himself just as a leader, but
also still following the right way and still listening and
humbling himself to learn from the other guys. But the
one thing that stood out to me from him as
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soon as he got in, he was throwing that ball.
He was a gun slinger in practice in first and ten,
just you know, simple with simple concepts.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
He's throwing the deep ball.
Speaker 8 (10:21):
He's trying to fire downfield, and that's something I respected
out of a rookie. And then going forward after his injury,
he's sitting there in the defensive team meeting room with us,
trying to learn our defense and trying to learn any
way he can. So just he's he's kind of a
maniac when it comes to just football overall. So I
think the way that he's carried himself while he was hurt.
I can only imagine how he'll carry himself when he's healthy,
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when they give him the keys to the program to
be able to go and just carry himself as that
leader and they let him know you're the guy we're
rolling with you. So I think JD is going to grow.
And that's somebody, like I said, I can trust.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
As for Aaron Rodgers, no smoke at least not white
smoke from his abode here. As the Giants and Steelers
continue to await a decision on where or even if
Rogers is going to play football in twenty twenty five,
that's also put some other veteran quarterbacks on hold in
this marketplace, at least for now.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
That list includes Russell.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Wilson, who woke up thankful, one of the motivational messages
that you can see every single morning if you turn
on alerts on X like I have for Russ Najie
Harris already has a new team, the former Steeler team
and Wilson.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Last year he signed a deal with the Chargers.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
A one year deal can earn upwards a nine million
dollars on that contract with incentives. Naji had some interesting
things to say about exactly how things were going in Pittsburgh, you.
Speaker 9 (11:43):
Know, I mean, because it was just a team where
you know, we lost Ben, we lost a lot of
o line. We just didn't know anything on offense. Really,
we didn't have idea. We had a young guy, I
come that quarterback. You know, I was young, the team
was young, and m I really didn't have nobody to
Tomas learned from an offensive side. I think the the
veteran guy on that team was it was like a
like a two three year vet. And that's the thing,
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you know what I mean, Like he still learned himself.
And I'm coming in and you know, I'm just trying
to look for people to to, you know, pick their
brain off of. And it was just defensive guys. So
I'll go to the defensive guys to talk to them.
But you know it wouldn't be too much they could
tell me about the offensive thing, you know what I mean.
So you know, through my years, I learned a lot
that you know, only I learned firsthand. And I feel
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like here, you know, I mean, we got a lot
of veterans that I could learn even more stuff from.
And uh, even at the quarterback position and the old
line position, you know, so it was a it was
a it was an interesting year there.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I'll just say that.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Interesting definitely one word for everything he just said right there.
One of the top free agents still available, that guy,
Stefan Diggs, coming off a.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Torn a c L.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
He's bout four months out. At his first visit over
the past couple of days with the New England Patriots.
My understanding is he did take a physical important part
of that process. Still rehabbing at this point. No deal
in place, but the Patriots need a receiver. The Patriots
are will spend a lot of money to get a receiver,
and there are still a few others available as well.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Amari Cooper on that list.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
According to Greg Rosenthaldy top free agents still available Keenan
Allen not shown here, but he is also on Greg's list,
The likes of Aaron Rodgers, of course, Klais Campbell, Jamis Winston,
Russell Wilson all still available. Go read the entire list
at NFL dot com Slash one oh one. The pre
draft process rolls on for Shadeur Sanders and is very
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proud Papa Deon Sanders and Shouder on hand today at
Big twelve Pro Day in Frisco, Texas. Chadur still waiting
for his pro day on April fourth, that's going to
be at Colorado, which gave Dion a little extra time
to catch up with our Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 10 (13:51):
Shadoor is a winner. Shadoor is very intelligent, very understanding.
Like when we used to travel when they were kids,
going through the airport, the Admirals Club or whatever. Relax
and we were on the board. Man, I was writing
defenses up on the board and they were trying to
figure out how to beat me. He and Shalloh. So
we've always been a football minded family and we always
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understood what was next. We always rose to the occasion,
and we always exceeded expectation. And we canna handle pressure.
We applied pressure. We didn't receive pressure, We applied it.
But that young man, I can't wait to see where
he goes. I can't wait to see what he does.
I know what he's gonna do, and I can't wait
to see he and charlotoet the next level. The Chador
has been built for this man. I mean, we've done this.
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We got records, we got tape, we got factual evidence
of Chadors ten and twelve years old. Tell me about this,
Tell me about that? Well, you know, how do you feel?
As a kid, we practiced and we hurst this stuff.
So he's well poised in front of the camera as
you just saw, as the world have seen for a
multitude of years. But Delies, that's gonna be that. But
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we're great with adversity. We've always been through adversity. We've
always been challenged with adversity in the nacay and.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
And the dowding. And he is built for that.
Speaker 10 (15:06):
He's the most qualified young man that plays that position.
That's built for that and to build and to be
in front of the lights and to still continuously shine.
We like to call that stuff out though I know
what it is. You're gonna make me call him out?
Speaker 5 (15:19):
You know what team? You know?
Speaker 3 (15:21):
We don't.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
We don't understand it. I don't make me know. Behind
the curtain.
Speaker 11 (15:25):
We were keep it on the high road, and I'm trying.
Speaker 10 (15:31):
I try my best to keep it on the high road,
but I don't know the address.
Speaker 11 (15:35):
We will keep it on the high road. And the
way we're gonna stay on high road. We're gonna talk
about one of your other sons and be Travis Hunter. Yes,
you were able to look do a great job of recruiting.
You flipped him. He followed you to Jackson State, then
he followed you to Colorado. Look, he's one of the
best two way players that we've saved.
Speaker 10 (15:51):
The best, not one of the best, the best, the
best ever did it.
Speaker 11 (15:54):
Let's let's talk a little bit about him, like what
did you see in him and what he became?
Speaker 10 (15:59):
Want, desire, willingness to learn, to listen, and to work.
And a guy that won't work is a guy that
it won't work. Say I'm gonna say that again. A
guy that don't work, it won't work. Travis Hunter loves
the game. He's not in like with it. He's in
love with the game. Don't really care necessities about who
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he is and the accolades that he possessed. This guy
loves to play the game of.
Speaker 11 (16:24):
Football, you know, And so much of the conversation is
you're one of the only ones to be able to
do it full time in Dallas.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
You play cornerback and wide receiver.
Speaker 11 (16:35):
Travis and you have both talked about his ability to
do it at the next level.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Why would he be able to do it? He don't
know any other way?
Speaker 10 (16:43):
What else would he do just sit there beside the
water cooler, whiter offense out there getting they bucks kicked,
and you got the best receiver probably on your team
over there sitting down with the coach waiting on his
turn to go back onto the field. That does not
make sense to me, just because the person hadn't done
this in the majority of the NFL. Don't tell you,
don't say what another man can't do. We hadn't seen
some of the things Patrick Mahomes is doing. We hadn't
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seen some of the things some of these wonderful athletes
are doing right now. Travis Hunter can do whatever he
desires to do if given the opportunity, and it's going
to take the right team to give him an opportunity.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
We bring in our Omar Ruiz to discuss all of
these moves, look at these subtractions, some additions, lots of
movement in Seattle. Omar is going to break it down
with me. Omar, Welcome to the insiders. First of all,
let's start in the quarterback room. Sam Donald overlapped with
Clint Kubiak for one season in San Francisco. How is
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he going to fit into what we expect the offense
to look like.
Speaker 12 (17:41):
Well, they're excited to work together and reunite from that
year in twenty twenty three where they're both members of
the forty nine ers. Sam Donald was the backup quarterback
to Brock Purty and Clint Kubiak was the past game coordinator,
and obviously last year with the Vikings, Donald worked in
a similar system, but he referenced that year in San
Francisco working with Rock Purdy, who he said would emphasize
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to him all the time, we have so many great
weapons around us, it's our job to get the ball
into their hands. And Darnold said that really shifted his
thinking going into last season with the Vikings, getting the
ball into the playmaker's hands, to take care of it,
to be more situally situationally aware, to be smarter with
the football and protect the football, and he said that
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helped him go from playing up and down throughout his
career to really playing consistently and going forward into twenty
twenty five, he said he looks back at those two games,
the way they ended against the Lions in Week eighteen
and then the playoff game against those Rams, and he
took that taking care of the football even more, he
said whenever he had an outlet receiver, the running back
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and a checkdown type of thing, instead of throwing the
ball away, just throw it to his feet, don't take
the unnecessary sack. So as great as he played last year,
he still sees a lot of improvement. And he said
that no matter who he was talking to, whether it
was head coach Mike McDonald or Clint Kubiak or John Schneider,
the focus is that he can play his best football
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ahead of him and build off that twenty four season
in Minnesota.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
I heard that donald's press conference too, and he said
that watching brock Perty sort of taught him to think
more like a point guard. Just distribute the ball, get
the ball out to the playmakers. All Right, He's got
some different playmakers in Seattle. They've reconstituted that wide receiver
room a little bit. Obviously, Cooper Cupp the big name.
How is that going to work in Seattle?
Speaker 12 (19:33):
Well, Cooper Cup obviously glad to be back home and
home state of Washington, Excited to play the Rams a
couple times a year, staying in the division. Still thinks
he has a lot of football remaining. Said he's been
doubted throughout his whole life. He was an undersized receiver
when he was in high school, was barely recruited, and
then a later draft pick in the NFL had to
prove his way there, so he's excited to show what
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he still has.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
In the tank.
Speaker 12 (19:56):
He remembers thinking when he signed with the Seahawks how
behind he was because he had been with Sean McVay
the entirety of his eight year career in.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
The same system.
Speaker 12 (20:06):
But then he realized he'll be working with Koobiak and
Sam Donald and everybody's going to be learning that offense,
so he's excited to collaborate and see how that offense
can evolve. He was asked if Jackson Smith and jigbub
and him, who both tend to play in the slot,
how they would operate together, and he said, in these offenses,
whether it's mcvayh or Kubiak or Shanahan, all the receivers
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have to learn all the different positions because they could
line up on any given play from any different position,
so that won't be an issue. He said he has
a lot of respect for Sam Darnold, the way he
faced adversity early in his career and then to come
back the way he did in Minnesota last.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Year showed him a lot about who the person is.
Speaker 12 (20:46):
And getting back to Cup and the respect he has
for everybody in that building. He said, they're bringing in
good people who love football. That's how you set the culture.
When they were recruiting him to Seattle, there wasn't much
talk about scheme and all that. It was about the
people and the culture. They're looking to build something special
there with the Seahawks.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
You know, we've seen a lot of veterans be energized
when they switch teams late in their career. So I
am really curious to see what Cooper Cupp shows this season.
Omar Ruiz, thank you very much, Mike.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Thank you, Judy. As he's o JULARI.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
Look when you see a former Giant signing a contract
in the Eagles facility, if you're a Giant fan, you
know you get a little bit of the shakes there
considering what say Gwon Barkley did. So here's as he's
old Jelari who's had trouble. He's got talent, he's had
trouble staying healthy. If he can do that, he can
now contribute to the Eagles. As you see the additions
and the subtractions for the Eagles who have been up
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against it a little bit cap and cash wise, so
they've had to make some more budget decisions. Milton Williams
and Josh Sweat getting the big money as he's ol,
Jelarry and Josh uch up front getting much more. What
do you want to call them, Baldy, Brian Baldinger with
us much more economical deals. We'll call them that, But
doesn't mean that they couldn't have big contributions for the
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Eagles in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
What do you think about these two editions?
Speaker 3 (22:07):
I like him. I like him because they're both young.
Speaker 13 (22:10):
Ojalari's only twenty four right now, Mike Uscha is only
twenty five. They got an upside to both of them
right here. It was you know, it was O'jelari had
eight sacks his rookie year in New York when he
was the healthiest event. You got to remember now, in
Vic Fangio's defense, you're not just a pass rusher. You're
an outside linebacker. That's what they're looking to replace from Josh.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Wait. Guys that have to be able to drop in
and cover a little bit in the flat. Do some
other things.
Speaker 13 (22:33):
So both these players us had eleven and a half
sacks in twenty twenty two, you know, when he had
a really good pass rusher opposite him in Matt Judon.
They had twenty seven sacks between the two of them.
So I think a husha you know, went to Kansas
City last year. I talked to Steve Spagnola about he
goes it's it's difficult to learn our defense on the
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fly during the season. We just asked guys to do
so much, so he didn't do a lot in Kansas City.
But they both have talent. They believe in throwing a
lot of bodies at these positions. They'll probably drafted edge
guy as well. You saw the development of Nolan Smith
like nobody else in the last ten weeks. Last year,
we saw Jalox Hunt have a real impact on the
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Super Bowl, their third round pick from a year ago.
So they want depth at that position where they can
rotate these guys through keep them fresh.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Because if you're playing for the Eagles.
Speaker 13 (23:26):
Here, Mike, you're planning on not just a seventeen game schedule,
You're planning on a twenty or twenty one game schedule.
So they want to rotate these guys through, get them
on the field, get them reps, keep them fresh up front,
and let their stars Jalen Carter, you know, Noah Smith,
let those guys really flourish in this scheme.
Speaker 7 (23:45):
Yeah, these guys have a big time potential to be
pass rushers that are consistent and if consistently healthy and
o Julari's case.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Which could mean big money.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
And my understanding is the Eagles that were sending these
guys to one year deals, which means next year they're
going to be free agent, and if they hit big
and signed big elsewhere, that's a compensatory draft pick for
those guys in twenty twenty seven. This is how Howie
Roseman computes these things to keep the draft picks going.
We're seeing he's in the thick of having a lot
of picks over the next couple of years.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Brian Baudeer, don't go anywhere.
Speaker 7 (24:15):
You're coming back right after this, because we are going
to ask you and Bucky Brooks are aces about some
of the prospects in.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
This upcoming draft. Yeah, including that guy.
Speaker 7 (24:25):
I think we'll work Shador Sanders in there somewhere. What
do you think that's up next?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
On the Insiders.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Big twelve Pro Day festivities wrapped up today in Frisco, Texas,
with over two hundred participants in attendance. Unclear whether that
number includes our guys RTT, Lewis, Daniel, Jeremiah, and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 14 (24:54):
Big twelve Pro Day action wrapping up here from Frisco, Texas.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
Another great event.
Speaker 14 (24:58):
Second year doing this on NFL now work re at Lewis, Dingram, Jeremiah,
Bucky Brooks. Been a lot of fun watching some of
the best prospects here from the Big twelve get after it.
And I think we were talking here as we watched,
you know, some more forties and some of the wide
receivers run here on Day two. Size and speed don't
go out of style, right.
Speaker 15 (25:12):
Yeah, always looking for that, always going to be hunting that.
And the Baylor Bears provided it really through both days,
having guys that could really run and modere Baldwin the
top of that list, a wide receiver who rips off
a four three two forty, the fastest we've seen at
the Big twelve Pro Days. So help yourself get on
the radar. Run four three two. That'll do it.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Yeah, DJ, that certainly would do it for him.
Speaker 11 (25:34):
But sometimes this can put you back on the radar,
and that's what this advent did for Ali Gordon, the
Oklahoma State standout, was really impressive going through the field drills.
You see the balance to footwork to body control, but
the most impressive part was what he did in terms
of catching the ball getting out of the backfield. Just
reminded that when you have someone of his size that
can make things happen in the passing game.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Man, you love to have those guys.
Speaker 11 (25:58):
This pro day was a great reminder of how good
he could be at the next level.
Speaker 14 (26:02):
I'll get back to the wide receivers and talk about
Brennan Presley from Oklahoma State and more production than anybody
at the wide receiver spot here at the combine three
hundred and fifteen catches in his career program leader and
then pulls off a four to four to six in
the forty thought. He really helped himself there. Looked good
catching the ball as well. So Brennan Presley guy Mike
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Gundy said me, way in those pressure situations we were
going to Pressley third down, red zone and caught a
ton of balls there in still water. So it's fun
to watch him out there compete it's good to be
fun to continue our Pro Day coverage here on NFL
Network as we wrap up this event here with the
Big twelve. We'll be back at it on Monday, watching
Miami's Pro Day and perhaps the number one overall pick
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in this year's draft, cam Ward. So we'll see you
then at four thirty Eastern time.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Miami Pro Day is coming up on Monday, and you
can watch it all right here on NFL Network and
NFL Plus starting at four thirty pm Eastern time. Quite
possibly a look at the number one overall pick in
the twenty twenty five NFL Draft that is just five
weeks from tonight. That's where Daniel Jeremiah has cam Ward
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going number one overall to the Titans. Also in Sdure
Sanders going at number three. But how will these quarterbacks fall?
It's time now to ask the aces presented by ACE
Hardware are aces tonight, Lancezerline and Brian Baldeger. I'm Tom
Pelicero here on the Insiders. Lance, let's start out by
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talking about cam Ward. You've watched all the tape, you've
dug into it. What do you make a cam Ward
right now? In the possibility he is indeed number one.
Speaker 16 (27:37):
Well, I think there's a good possibility he's number one
because he's easily, to me the best quarterback in this draft,
at least the one that I would be willing to
hang my hat on as a first round pick.
Speaker 17 (27:48):
And the reason simple.
Speaker 16 (27:49):
You know, he's got multiple boxes that get checked.
Speaker 17 (27:52):
He's got a big arm, he's got the ability to
throw off the platform.
Speaker 16 (27:56):
He's mobile enough outside of the pocket to make some
things happen. He's tough, as you see right here in
terms of extending to play and avoiding sex. And I
think one of the things that really stands out to
NFL teams I've spoken with is they really like the demeanor,
they like the mindset.
Speaker 17 (28:10):
They think he's a.
Speaker 16 (28:11):
Very professional type of player with a great mentality to
be a leader. So I think when you add it
all up, Tom, you have a player that you can
hang your hat on as the first quarterback in this draft,
and a guy that you could potentially draft, you know,
with the first pick. If you want to swing your sword,
you have to do it at some point, and if
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you're the Titans, it'd be the third quarterback they're drafted
in the last four years, but the first two haven't
gotten them right so far, so maybe this one will
be the right choice, you know.
Speaker 13 (28:40):
And I'm gonna be at cam Ward's pro day next Monday.
I'm looking really looking forward to it and just watch
him throw and just seeing how he competes out there
and all that kind of stuff. But when you watch
a tape like you have, one thing that is oppressive
is just his footwork. I mean, we showed plays getting
outside the pocket, extending plays, but you know, honestly, like
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when he when he goes to his progressions, now his feet.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
It's not just his eyes that you.
Speaker 13 (29:06):
Know, are moving from one one potential target to another,
his feet are getting set. He gets his feet set
well to make accurate throws. So I think fundamentally, mechanically
he's pretty pretty good right now. I think he's a
little bit more advanced than some of the other guys.
But when you want to watch the RPO game or
the quick game, I mean, he turns a double play
as about as well as anybody. He's got some twitch
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to him, and then you know his ability just to
stay calm and then to extend the plays and keep
his eyes down the field. I like a lot of
those things that you're talking about, they're evident on just
about any game that you pulled out from a year ago.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Yeah, there's a lot more variance when we're talking about
the draft stock of Chadeur Sanders, the Colorado quarterback who
at tended but did not participate in the Big twelve
Pro days earlier. Today, we know what the numbers said.
Also know it's some more complicated evaluation at the NFL level.
So what does Shador have to say about his own stock? Well,
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he talked to Bucky Brooks, who's got him right up
there at number one.
Speaker 18 (30:06):
Like I like the pressure that comes with everything. I'll
say pressure is also a privileged So if you don't
have pressure on you, then you know, I don't know
what you're doing. So that's why I'm thankful when I'm
truly blessed that I am in a position in the
situation that I'm in, because I wouldn't want no other way.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
You know, so much of being successful is being authentic.
Speaker 11 (30:26):
How are you able to just be so confident in
all environments when everyone is criticizing how you go about
doing things, playing walking around, et cetera.
Speaker 18 (30:35):
Cause you're either gonna be watching or you're gonna be
talking about it, it's gonna be one to two. So
I'd rather be the one, you know, getting talked about
in the one just watching it hating on another guy.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
So that's that's what I do.
Speaker 18 (30:46):
I got the most respect for everybody you know that
that has had some type of success in their life
because I truly understand how hard it is. So I
think people take that human factor out, how hard it
is to get to that point, how hard it is
for every everybody out here to even be able to perform,
to be able to even come here and work out
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in front of all these scouts and stuff like, it's
extremely hard. So I never down talk, I never pushed
down nobody because I know how hard it is, you know,
to perform.
Speaker 11 (31:16):
You know, and thinking about like some of the special
relationships that you've developed over the years, Tom Brady being
a guy that you can kind of lean on and
talk to and maybe solicten some advits from when you've
had those conversations, what has it been like.
Speaker 18 (31:29):
Well, I would say when we spoke the most in depth,
I'll say was early on, early on in my college career,
So a lot of things that he would speak on,
would it you know, register to me to like now,
so now you know my plan for the next couple
of weeks and the next couple of months is go
back and rewatch you know all the footage that we
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talked about, and then you know, now register more and
how you're saying turn your hips when you're throwing, create
torque and all that stuff. Like a couple of years ago,
I really didn't understand what that meant. But now it's like, okay,
I truly understand that. So that that's what it is,
is getting all the wisdom from everything that happened back then,
rewatching things like I don't watch TV, I just watched
old videos in myself.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
So and thinking about on the field in the game.
Speaker 11 (32:14):
There's been a conversation about your style of play, right
Everyone's talking about, oh, the quarterback needs to be more
athletic in those things.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
But you're more of a throwback.
Speaker 11 (32:21):
You play from the pocket, you live in the pocket,
You play with touch, time and anticipation. Why does your
style work and why would it continue to work at
the next level.
Speaker 18 (32:28):
I mean it always worked in the league. Look at
the history of the league. Now, everybody was you know,
big time runners back then, back in the day, so
you got the greatest quarterback ever time. Brady ain't run
too much. So I feel like the best thing for
me is to play from the pocket, and that's what
I'm most comfortable in now. The difference is is I'm
able to adjust to my team. So if I need
to be if I need to, you know, take different
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type of drops, if I need to be able to
get a little bit more active, then then I'm able
to do that and to judge my game.
Speaker 11 (32:57):
There's one thing scouts love to do is we love
to make comparisons. Right We're trying to say, like this
player is gonna play like this person at the next level.
But when you see yourself, who are some of the
quarterbacks that you emulate that you're patting your game after that,
you can see yourself being at the next level.
Speaker 18 (33:11):
Yeah, it's not like you could say it's a comparison.
Everybody's their own waigh and their own you know, forming
their own shape. Not everybody had to deal with There's
much pressure I had to deal with growing up through
all everything that went on. So if you put a
lot of people in the situation you know Whill was in,
not everybody would be able to be the person I
am today. So you know, you just got to see,
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you know, how everything pans out, and I know what
it's going to be. So it's just time for you
guys to see.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
School record in completion percentage. Also, according to next Gen Stats,
Shador Sanders leads all draft prospects in percentage of eye
contact with the camera. But as a player that franchise
quarterback Lance, what do you make of Shador Sanders in
this draft?
Speaker 17 (33:54):
I thought that was a really interesting interview with Bucky.
You know, you got to see a little vulnerability there
in the middle.
Speaker 16 (33:59):
There's a lot of braggadociares, a lot of ego there
with them, but I think it also serves them well,
to be honest with you, He's got so much confidence
in the pocket and it shows with his poise and
he's never afraid. But you know, he is not a
mobile guy outside of the pocket, not a great runner,
but he's very pocket mobile and that's something I don't
think gets talked about enough, and you can see it
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in some of the clips that you showed earlier. He's
got the ability to slide around when he feels pressure.
He can do it without dropping his eyes. He's very
smart with how he is able to shuffle around the
pocket and find a platform to throw off of, and
so some of those things, some of those intangibles that
we talk about a lot, some of the little elements
of being a good quarterback when it comes to throwing
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and it comes to mechanics, Schudor's definitely got that.
Speaker 17 (34:45):
Now.
Speaker 16 (34:45):
I do think he needs to play on rhythm and
in rhythm a little bit more.
Speaker 17 (34:49):
Sometimes I think he tries to do a little bit
too much.
Speaker 16 (34:51):
But he's got a lot of the elements that you
really like about a quarterback who can manage a game
from the pocket and win from the pocket.
Speaker 17 (34:58):
So there's a lot I like about him. I also
find him to be balding, very.
Speaker 16 (35:03):
Intriguing as a personality because when it's got prime time
as a dad, right, well, I'm always curious to see
who's the kid. Like we see the bluster, but what's
underneath all that bluster.
Speaker 13 (35:14):
Well, in that bluster, you got to win. Otherwise it's
just bluster. So you got to have confidence. Confidence comes winning. However,
you know, he did reference Tom Brady, and I remember
talking to Tom Brady this year about what you're describing
here Lance in that pocket awareness that he plays with,
and Tom Brady said, you can't coach it. He goes,
you either have it or you don't have it. And
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I think if you're going to be a good pocket quarterback,
you have to have it. You've got to be able
to separate within a phone book, within a phone booth.
He's able to do that. He's got accuracy, which is
really important. I think the other thing is when you
win from the pocket and you get the ball out
on time, and there's questions about how long he holds
a ball, you get hurt less, you take less hits,
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You win with your arm and with your decision making.
I think the speed of the decision making is pretty good. Now,
all these quarterbacks need help. They all need to be surrounded.
Nobody can do it in a vacuum. They all need
to be built. Once they established wherever they're going to
go like, they got to build around.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
I mean, you look at Jalen Hurts, a Super Bowl
MVP this year.
Speaker 13 (36:19):
The Eagles have never stopped building around Jalen Hurst and
now is the MVP. So wherever shadur goes and I
think he's gonna go high. You know you got to
understand that he's just one piece of your offense.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Now, let's coach him. Let's add the offense.
Speaker 13 (36:32):
Line, let's add the you know, the pieces around him,
and never stop adding those pieces around him.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Cam Warred Shaduur Sanders are gonna be tied together for
a long time in terms of the comparisons their buddies.
They have the same quarterbacks coach. We've talked a lot
about them, and for good reason, Lance, but there's gonna
be other quarterbacks taken in this draft, maybe even some
in the first round.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
How do you see this next group shaken out?
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 17 (36:56):
I mean it is.
Speaker 16 (36:57):
They are lumped together, and it's really what's your flavor advice?
Because I think they're all very very bundled very closely together.
It's a matter of what you're looking for. You know,
we looked at Bucky's list and I'll throw some names
that weren't on his list that I could easily put
in the top five. And I'll start with Dylan Gabriel.
We haven't talked about him much. You know, Dylan Gabriel
does not.
Speaker 17 (37:17):
Have a big arm.
Speaker 16 (37:17):
When he gets outside of his comfort zone. He's somebody
who tends to you know, throw a little bit inaccurately.
But if you want somebody to manage a game, if
you want somebody to make big plays on third down,
if you want somebody with tremendous game experience, who really
is the moment's never too big for him? That's Dylan
Gabriel from Oregon. How about Quinn yours? Quinn, you were
speaking of big moments. This guy went on the road
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and won at Alabama against Nick Saban in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 17 (37:41):
Go ahead and count the amount of.
Speaker 16 (37:42):
Losses he's had on the road over the last two years,
and I'm not sure you'll raise a finger.
Speaker 17 (37:47):
I mean, this guy wins.
Speaker 16 (37:48):
He's been a winning quarterback, but the tape is very
uneven for him over the last two years, and some
of it has been due to durability. So what are
you getting on the next level. Let's look at Taylor
Tyler Shup. Taylor Shuck is the guy who may have
the best size to arm type of ratio that you
could possibly hope for.
Speaker 17 (38:07):
And what I love.
Speaker 16 (38:08):
About him is that he can make any throw from
the pocket. He's very impressive. The problem is he's played
seven years of college football. He's had injuries, substantial injuries
in three of those years. What are you getting on
the next level.
Speaker 13 (38:22):
That's gonna be fun to see how the quarterbacks you've
just described how they separate out. But you know the
buzz right now is from Jalen Milroe and what he
did in his pro day yesterday, whether he ran the
four three seven or four to four regardless, that shows
up time and time again on tape when you watch him.
You know, just handle Georgia last year. When you see
the way that he threw the ball, but you know
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at his sides and two hundred and twenty pounds in
this fat and this kind of speed and his ability
to run. You just think about some of these guys
that came out where they said, well, he's never gonna
be accurate, he's never going to be able to read defense.
They said that about Lamar, they said that about Josh
Josh Allen, that about Jalen Hursts, and here they are
the stars.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Of the league right now.
Speaker 13 (39:04):
I just think that if you give Jalen Milroe good
coaching and a good system and give him some time,
that he might become that guy that you know, can
really take the top off defenses with his ability to run,
his big arm that he has, and then it's just
his love of the game. He's done it at a
high level in a great conference. I'd like to see
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just what this Pro Day does for him when it
comes to the draft right now, because I feel like
his stock is climbing right now.
Speaker 16 (39:32):
You know, Tom, just real quick, I want to go
ahead put a follow up on him real quick.
Speaker 17 (39:37):
He's an explosive player.
Speaker 16 (39:39):
Explosive players get drafted earlier than non explosive players.
Speaker 17 (39:44):
So that's one of the reasons that Baldi's talking about.
Speaker 16 (39:46):
He's got buzz because there's no one else in this
draft like him, not even close.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Also, fun fact, Jylen Melroe looks exactly like Lance with
his shirt off, so there's also that Lance pay Thank
you very much a lot more from you guys here,
and we roll five weeks away from the NFL Draft.
Once upon a time, Rodney Pete was making plays for
the Eagles and the Lions throwing the bowl.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
But did you know he can catch it too? We'll
explain next on The Insiders.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
March's Madness is underway, and somewhere in a parallel universe,
Miles Garrett is the scariest power forward since Charles Barkley.
That is not a man you want to have across
from you when he's on the Skins team.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Put his shirt on.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
It's two intimidating miles, also harder to guard. Welcome back
to the Insiders, Tom Pillicero, Mike Garofalo, and Judy. But
taste of your favorite time of year here, Jude.
Speaker 6 (40:46):
It is my favorite time of year. But you know,
earlier today, I was trying to think what you guys
were reminding me of, and fortunately our fabulous producer McEnroe
Francis was able to help me out. This is what
you guys are reminding me of today.
Speaker 7 (41:00):
Yeah, den only one of us actually wearing Denham.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
No, this is this is a cotton.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
And for the record, in front of my shirt is
not the back of an old pair of jeans.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Like whoever that.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Was, I don't even actually it was just Timberlake. That
was Britney. I was going to guess it was Rodney Pete.
That's a Timperance story we were going to get into.
Because Rodney Pete, former NFL quarterback, did not make the
Dodgers left field er feel great last night.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
The game in Tokyo.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Rodney Pete, I've seen you will say this was full
bart Man, it was not. He's very much within his rights.
He is in the stands. He's reaching out. Mike, I
say this is well within bounds. Rodney Pete, good move
and even better looks.
Speaker 6 (41:45):
He's not making a catch.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Well, he missed.
Speaker 7 (41:48):
His glove was below months he's glove and he didn't
touch him at all.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
He didn't interfere at all. And the face at the end.
Speaker 7 (41:54):
Put the glasses down like that's that's exactly what that
should have been right there.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Thank you for tuning in to the only relevant sports
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Speaker 3 (42:08):
See
The forty nine Ers got a jumpstart on spring cleaning,
clearing out a whole lot of cash cash based in
recent weeks. But will it all lead them to lock
it up their quarterback on a long term deal. We'll
tell you what John Lynch is saying now about a
pretty interesting situation in Santa Clara. Deebo Samuel l course,
one of the names headed out of that forty nine
(00:29):
Ers locker room, and now he's speaking on why he
wanted out here. What Deebo is saying also on his
fresh start with Jaydon Daniels and the Commanders. Meanwhile, Or
Sanders is going to have a new home five weeks
from tonight. For now, he's hanging out in Frisco for
Big twelve pro Days and talking with our Bucky Brooks,
who also got a primetime interview with another member of
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the Sanders family. Apologies to Shiloh, we ran out of time.
Welcome inside with the Insiders alongside Judy Battista and Garafolo.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I am Tom Pelicero. That's right.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Five weeks from tonight, the top prospects in this craft
will be in Green Bay, Wisconsin, getting ready to hear
their names called in the NFL Draft. We've got so
much more news to get to before then, and we've
already had a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Of news in this off season.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
One of the big trades was Deebo Samuel being sent
to the Washington Commanders. A deal to was finalized just
before the start of free agency.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
For Deebo.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
He also got an adjusted contract, a chance to earn
up to twenty million dollars this season, which should almost
cover the cost of that all leather suit. Here's what
he had to say in his first meeting with reporters.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Yeah, Brandon and I you is you know, Jaden's one
of Jaden's best friends. So I kind of been watching
them for a little minute now because you know, MI
NBA is so close, But just to see him grow wing,
just to see how well he played last year, you know,
I was just like, man like, why not, you know,
so why not try to come over here and try to.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
You know, help in any espate that I can.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Being in San Francisco, you know, I like, you know, winners,
I like to win. I'm not one of your big
biggest losers. So they went to the NFC Championship. Kind
of I've been knowing Adam Peters and Adam Peters for
a while, and you know, I was just like, you know,
and what's so crazy. It's kind of close to home
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than what people think.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
You know.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
I was always out there in California. Some of my
family live in Baltimore. You know, they got a good
team for sure, and you know, they was just standing out.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Speaking of the biggest losers, Judy Deebo also was asked
about some weight questions that were left over from last year.
He had addressed them in the past on social media.
He said it was not really concerned with that. Feels
like he's in really good shape here and ready to
make an impact for a Commander's team that certainly believes
he can be a missing piece here to help that
team get past the Eagles and maybe make a deep
(02:54):
playoff run.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Again.
Speaker 6 (02:57):
Well, the Commanders are clearly putting their foot on the gas, right.
They are going to put as much as they can
around Jadeen Daniels. They were way ahead of schedule last season,
and so now they are going to try to push
even further. I was just watching that and listening to
him and marveling at how quickly a franchise can completely change,
completely change its image this was a franchise that nobody
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wanted to touch like three years ago, that's not that long
ago for an NFL team, and now it's a team
that players like Deebo Samuel want to go to because
they think they can win there. That's of course, there's
obviously new leadership all the way to the top at
the owner, but of course most of that is because
of Jaden Daniels and if he continues to play the
way he played as a rookie, if he grows from there,
(03:44):
Deebo Samuel will not be the last player who says
I like winners and that's where I wanted to be
with the Commanders.
Speaker 7 (03:50):
Yeah, I mean, to further your point, duty, Deebo Samuel
wanted to be there. Brandon Ayuk wanted to be there
as well. We know about that last year and the
way that he wanted and that was before I mean,
he knew what Jayden Daniels was from that experience, but
that was before this past season. And the players that
have re signed there with Washington have talked about I
got to come back, like I've got opportunities elsewhere, but
I also want to be here very much. And this
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is why the Commanders this offseason are leaning into these
good vibes and adding Laramie Tunsil and adding Deebo Samuel
and really sort of going for it because they realize
now that not only do they have all these good
vibes going, they also have a quarterback on a rookie deal,
and the forty nine ers did for the last couple
of years. And now we're gonna get to that in
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just a second. But this is where the Commanders are
right now, and they're going to lean into it and
maximize everything that they can put into their roster elsewhere
while they have Jaden Daniels on his rookie deal for
two more years, because after that, I mean, Tom, we're
gonna be in the seventies the eighties by then.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Who knows the way this is going.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Judy, you mentioned how different things are than three years ago.
I just remember the photo that I have up here
on my backdrop is actually me and MJD interviewing Deebo
Samuel v day that he got to Santa Clara after
signed his contract after a brief training camp holdout.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
That's how quickly things can change.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
That same day, Trey Lance was struggling in practice he
was bouncing a few easy throws, and there was a
rookie quarterback named brock Perty that no one was really
talking about at that point.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Lo and Behold.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Injuries hit, circumstances changed, Perdy gets his opportunity, and now
here we are talking about, as you said, Mike, a
quarterback who quite possibly is going to be that next
one who sets the market. Now we know the forty
nine ers have a history here of taking their time
doing some deals. They also had a lot to clean
up in advance of getting a party contract done because
the difference between the last pick in the draft and
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a guy who's going to be getting paid fifty million
dollars plus. John Lynch begins Stanford Prode, saying, in part
this week, the bottom line is you're always looking at
years out from now, and we forecast and we got
some big things coming our way, and you have to
clear the requisite room to be able to do that.
And you don't want to get to a point where
you have to do things to keep your roster afloat
want to leave that flexibility.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Another way to read.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
That quote, Mike would be we did not give ourselves
a lot of flexibility. We pushed it to the max
for years, trading draft picks for veteran players and paying
guys like Christian McCaffrey. Now here you are, and it's
not a total reboot, but it's definitely a reset of
sorts for the forty nine ers.
Speaker 7 (06:19):
Well, John Lynch knows what's coming, and it's that Brock
Party deal that at some point is going to happen
this offseason. And I know he was the last pick
in the draft. You may have heard about it. I
know that it's a system that people think, oh, you
just plug a quarterback in and he runs the system.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
It's more than oh really, because they.
Speaker 7 (06:35):
Tried to do that with a couple of guys and
it didn't work as well as it has with Brock Party.
So Party is going to look at this and say,
I need to be paid like one of the top
quarterbacks in the league.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Now, if you go back over the last five.
Speaker 7 (06:46):
Years or so and you see the quarterback deals that
were done, the average per year is usually like anywhere
from twenty one ish to twenty.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Five percent of the salary cap.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
If it's on the low end of that, he's going
to clear guys like Trevor Lawrence. Now he's not going
to get the Dak Prescott's number a sixty, but he'll
be in the high fifties if he really wanted to
push it to Joe Burrow, who took the biggest chunk
of the salary cap that's like sixty eight million dollars
per year. I don't get the sense that Brock Party
wants to go there because that's going to hurt the
team's ability to do other things like we were just
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talking about. But he wants his respect and he wants
money that's in line with those other quarterbacks. So I
don't see this getting done until the forty nine ers
and Brock Party agree on a number that's close to
Dak Prescott, not all the way there, but close to
Dak Prescott Party saying that's fair, but it also still
gives the team and John Lynch the opportunity to do
things elsewhere on the roster.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
Well, and to position themselves to be able to do
that Brock Party deal whenever it gets done. They had
a lot to clean up, right, I mean, they had
to clean up the salary cap. They have been one
of the highest spending teams over the last few years
in cash spending. They kept going for it right. They
kept keeping it together and pushing and pushing trying to
win that super well they fell short. It never all
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came together, and you knew the reset was coming at
some point. It has to come now. It has been dramatic, certainly,
lots of big names, but this is what happens. John
Lynch didn't say it, but they had to get younger,
he said that part. They also had to get cheaper, frankly,
because they do have big things coming in terms of
the brock Party contract. This is what happens in the NFL.
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You can only push it for so long. You can
only keep your foot on the gas for so long.
You can only keep a veteran laden, very expensive team
together for so long, especially when you've got that quarterback
on the rookie contract. When that quarterback has to get
paid again, something's got to give, and it is giving
this offseason.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
And I think it also bears mentioning here because sometimes
there's this bias against the seventh round pick. The guy
doesn't have the physical tools. They paid guys. I see
people sales town. How are you going to pay brock
Party that much? You've did a down year a quote
unquote down year for him last year where he doesn't
have Christian McCaffrey, he's got Brandon a You gets hurt,
Deebo was banged up through the course of season.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
There was all kind of moving parts for the team.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
If you look at the efficiency numbers, he's still like
a top five quarterback in the NFL. And when Kyle
Shanahan puts his stamp on somebody saying I want that
guy to be my quarterback as long as I'm here,
that should go a long way to telling you why
the forty nine ers want to get this deal done.
Speaking of quarterbacks who are on rookie deals and the
flexibility that gives you to build the roster around them,
the Vikings have one of those guys in JJ McCarthy.
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As I reported a couple of days ago, Vikings have
rejected trade calls about McCarthy, telling other teams.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
We're going with him as our quarterback.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
They still are going to add a veteran to the roster,
but they are not pursuing Aaron Rodgers. So McCarthy goes
into this offseason as QB one cam bind him now
in Indianapolis Colts after signing a big free agent deal.
He went against McCarthy in camp last year. Is on
Good Morning Football today and certainly had high praise for
his former teammate.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
I trust him.
Speaker 8 (09:52):
The JJ's somebody that I trusted as just a leader
first and foremost. The way that even though when he
came in he was still you know, in the he's
still a young guy, still competing with Sam, but the
way that he carried himself just as a leader, but
also still following the right way and still listening and
humbling himself to learn from the other guys. But the
one thing that stood out to me from him as
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soon as he got in, he was throwing that ball.
He was a gun slinger in practice in first and ten,
just you know, simple with simple concepts.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
He's throwing the deep ball.
Speaker 8 (10:21):
He's trying to fire downfield, and that's something I respected
out of a rookie. And then going forward after his injury,
he's sitting there in the defensive team meeting room with us,
trying to learn our defense and trying to learn any
way he can. So just he's he's kind of a
maniac when it comes to just football overall. So I
think the way that he's carried himself while he was hurt.
I can only imagine how he'll carry himself when he's healthy,
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when they give him the keys to the program to
be able to go and just carry himself as that
leader and they let him know you're the guy we're
rolling with you. So I think JD is going to grow.
And that's somebody, like I said, I can trust.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
As for Aaron Rodgers, no smoke at least not white
smoke from his abode here. As the Giants and Steelers
continue to await a decision on where or even if
Rogers is going to play football in twenty twenty five,
that's also put some other veteran quarterbacks on hold in
this marketplace, at least for now.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
That list includes Russell.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Wilson, who woke up thankful, one of the motivational messages
that you can see every single morning if you turn
on alerts on X like I have for Russ Najie
Harris already has a new team, the former Steeler team
and Wilson.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Last year he signed a deal with the Chargers.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
A one year deal can earn upwards a nine million
dollars on that contract with incentives. Naji had some interesting
things to say about exactly how things were going in Pittsburgh, you.
Speaker 9 (11:43):
Know, I mean, because it was just a team where
you know, we lost Ben, we lost a lot of
o line. We just didn't know anything on offense. Really,
we didn't have idea. We had a young guy, I
come that quarterback. You know, I was young, the team
was young, and m I really didn't have nobody to
Tomas learned from an offensive side. I think the the
veteran guy on that team was it was like a
like a two three year vet. And that's the thing,
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you know what I mean, Like he still learned himself.
And I'm coming in and you know, I'm just trying
to look for people to to, you know, pick their
brain off of. And it was just defensive guys. So
I'll go to the defensive guys to talk to them.
But you know it wouldn't be too much they could
tell me about the offensive thing, you know what I mean.
So you know, through my years, I learned a lot
that you know, only I learned firsthand. And I feel
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like here, you know, I mean, we got a lot
of veterans that I could learn even more stuff from.
And uh, even at the quarterback position and the old
line position, you know, so it was a it was
a it was an interesting year there.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I'll just say that.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Interesting definitely one word for everything he just said right there.
One of the top free agents still available, that guy,
Stefan Diggs, coming off a.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Torn a c L.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
He's bout four months out. At his first visit over
the past couple of days with the New England Patriots.
My understanding is he did take a physical important part
of that process. Still rehabbing at this point. No deal
in place, but the Patriots need a receiver. The Patriots
are will spend a lot of money to get a receiver,
and there are still a few others available as well.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Amari Cooper on that list.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
According to Greg Rosenthaldy top free agents still available Keenan
Allen not shown here, but he is also on Greg's list,
The likes of Aaron Rodgers, of course, Klais Campbell, Jamis Winston,
Russell Wilson all still available. Go read the entire list
at NFL dot com Slash one oh one. The pre
draft process rolls on for Shadeur Sanders and is very
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proud Papa Deon Sanders and Shouder on hand today at
Big twelve Pro Day in Frisco, Texas. Chadur still waiting
for his pro day on April fourth, that's going to
be at Colorado, which gave Dion a little extra time
to catch up with our Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 10 (13:51):
Shadoor is a winner. Shadoor is very intelligent, very understanding.
Like when we used to travel when they were kids,
going through the airport, the Admirals Club or whatever. Relax
and we were on the board. Man, I was writing
defenses up on the board and they were trying to
figure out how to beat me. He and Shalloh. So
we've always been a football minded family and we always
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understood what was next. We always rose to the occasion,
and we always exceeded expectation. And we canna handle pressure.
We applied pressure. We didn't receive pressure, We applied it.
But that young man, I can't wait to see where
he goes. I can't wait to see what he does.
I know what he's gonna do, and I can't wait
to see he and charlotoet the next level. The Chador
has been built for this man. I mean, we've done this.
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We got records, we got tape, we got factual evidence
of Chadors ten and twelve years old. Tell me about this,
Tell me about that? Well, you know, how do you feel?
As a kid, we practiced and we hurst this stuff.
So he's well poised in front of the camera as
you just saw, as the world have seen for a
multitude of years. But Delies, that's gonna be that. But
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we're great with adversity. We've always been through adversity. We've
always been challenged with adversity in the nacay and.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
And the dowding. And he is built for that.
Speaker 10 (15:06):
He's the most qualified young man that plays that position.
That's built for that and to build and to be
in front of the lights and to still continuously shine.
We like to call that stuff out though I know
what it is. You're gonna make me call him out?
Speaker 5 (15:19):
You know what team? You know?
Speaker 3 (15:21):
We don't.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
We don't understand it. I don't make me know. Behind
the curtain.
Speaker 11 (15:25):
We were keep it on the high road, and I'm trying.
Speaker 10 (15:31):
I try my best to keep it on the high road,
but I don't know the address.
Speaker 11 (15:35):
We will keep it on the high road. And the
way we're gonna stay on high road. We're gonna talk
about one of your other sons and be Travis Hunter. Yes,
you were able to look do a great job of recruiting.
You flipped him. He followed you to Jackson State, then
he followed you to Colorado. Look, he's one of the
best two way players that we've saved.
Speaker 10 (15:51):
The best, not one of the best, the best, the
best ever did it.
Speaker 11 (15:54):
Let's let's talk a little bit about him, like what
did you see in him and what he became?
Speaker 10 (15:59):
Want, desire, willingness to learn, to listen, and to work.
And a guy that won't work is a guy that
it won't work. Say I'm gonna say that again. A
guy that don't work, it won't work. Travis Hunter loves
the game. He's not in like with it. He's in
love with the game. Don't really care necessities about who
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he is and the accolades that he possessed. This guy
loves to play the game of.
Speaker 11 (16:24):
Football, you know, And so much of the conversation is
you're one of the only ones to be able to
do it full time in Dallas.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
You play cornerback and wide receiver.
Speaker 11 (16:35):
Travis and you have both talked about his ability to
do it at the next level.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Why would he be able to do it? He don't
know any other way?
Speaker 10 (16:43):
What else would he do just sit there beside the
water cooler, whiter offense out there getting they bucks kicked,
and you got the best receiver probably on your team
over there sitting down with the coach waiting on his
turn to go back onto the field. That does not
make sense to me, just because the person hadn't done
this in the majority of the NFL. Don't tell you,
don't say what another man can't do. We hadn't seen
some of the things Patrick Mahomes is doing. We hadn't
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seen some of the things some of these wonderful athletes
are doing right now. Travis Hunter can do whatever he
desires to do if given the opportunity, and it's going
to take the right team to give him an opportunity.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
We bring in our Omar Ruiz to discuss all of
these moves, look at these subtractions, some additions, lots of
movement in Seattle. Omar is going to break it down
with me. Omar, Welcome to the insiders. First of all,
let's start in the quarterback room. Sam Donald overlapped with
Clint Kubiak for one season in San Francisco. How is
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he going to fit into what we expect the offense
to look like.
Speaker 12 (17:41):
Well, they're excited to work together and reunite from that
year in twenty twenty three where they're both members of
the forty nine ers. Sam Donald was the backup quarterback
to Brock Purty and Clint Kubiak was the past game coordinator,
and obviously last year with the Vikings, Donald worked in
a similar system, but he referenced that year in San
Francisco working with Rock Purdy, who he said would emphasize
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to him all the time, we have so many great
weapons around us, it's our job to get the ball
into their hands. And Darnold said that really shifted his
thinking going into last season with the Vikings, getting the
ball into the playmaker's hands, to take care of it,
to be more situally situationally aware, to be smarter with
the football and protect the football, and he said that
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helped him go from playing up and down throughout his
career to really playing consistently and going forward into twenty
twenty five, he said he looks back at those two games,
the way they ended against the Lions in Week eighteen
and then the playoff game against those Rams, and he
took that taking care of the football even more, he
said whenever he had an outlet receiver, the running back
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and a checkdown type of thing, instead of throwing the
ball away, just throw it to his feet, don't take
the unnecessary sack. So as great as he played last year,
he still sees a lot of improvement. And he said
that no matter who he was talking to, whether it
was head coach Mike McDonald or Clint Kubiak or John Schneider,
the focus is that he can play his best football
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ahead of him and build off that twenty four season
in Minnesota.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
I heard that donald's press conference too, and he said
that watching brock Perty sort of taught him to think
more like a point guard. Just distribute the ball, get
the ball out to the playmakers. All Right, He's got
some different playmakers in Seattle. They've reconstituted that wide receiver
room a little bit. Obviously, Cooper Cupp the big name.
How is that going to work in Seattle?
Speaker 12 (19:33):
Well, Cooper Cup obviously glad to be back home and
home state of Washington, Excited to play the Rams a
couple times a year, staying in the division. Still thinks
he has a lot of football remaining. Said he's been
doubted throughout his whole life. He was an undersized receiver
when he was in high school, was barely recruited, and
then a later draft pick in the NFL had to
prove his way there, so he's excited to show what
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he still has.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
In the tank.
Speaker 12 (19:56):
He remembers thinking when he signed with the Seahawks how
behind he was because he had been with Sean McVay
the entirety of his eight year career in.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
The same system.
Speaker 12 (20:06):
But then he realized he'll be working with Koobiak and
Sam Donald and everybody's going to be learning that offense,
so he's excited to collaborate and see how that offense
can evolve. He was asked if Jackson Smith and jigbub
and him, who both tend to play in the slot,
how they would operate together, and he said, in these offenses,
whether it's mcvayh or Kubiak or Shanahan, all the receivers
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have to learn all the different positions because they could
line up on any given play from any different position,
so that won't be an issue. He said he has
a lot of respect for Sam Darnold, the way he
faced adversity early in his career and then to come
back the way he did in Minnesota last.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Year showed him a lot about who the person is.
Speaker 12 (20:46):
And getting back to Cup and the respect he has
for everybody in that building. He said, they're bringing in
good people who love football. That's how you set the culture.
When they were recruiting him to Seattle, there wasn't much
talk about scheme and all that. It was about the
people and the culture. They're looking to build something special
there with the Seahawks.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
You know, we've seen a lot of veterans be energized
when they switch teams late in their career. So I
am really curious to see what Cooper Cupp shows this season.
Omar Ruiz, thank you very much, Mike.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Thank you, Judy. As he's o JULARI.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
Look when you see a former Giant signing a contract
in the Eagles facility, if you're a Giant fan, you
know you get a little bit of the shakes there
considering what say Gwon Barkley did. So here's as he's
old Jelari who's had trouble. He's got talent, he's had
trouble staying healthy. If he can do that, he can
now contribute to the Eagles. As you see the additions
and the subtractions for the Eagles who have been up
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against it a little bit cap and cash wise, so
they've had to make some more budget decisions. Milton Williams
and Josh Sweat getting the big money as he's ol,
Jelarry and Josh uch up front getting much more. What
do you want to call them, Baldy, Brian Baldinger with
us much more economical deals. We'll call them that, But
doesn't mean that they couldn't have big contributions for the
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Eagles in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
What do you think about these two editions?
Speaker 3 (22:07):
I like him. I like him because they're both young.
Speaker 13 (22:10):
Ojalari's only twenty four right now, Mike Uscha is only
twenty five. They got an upside to both of them
right here. It was you know, it was O'jelari had
eight sacks his rookie year in New York when he
was the healthiest event. You got to remember now, in
Vic Fangio's defense, you're not just a pass rusher. You're
an outside linebacker. That's what they're looking to replace from Josh.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Wait. Guys that have to be able to drop in
and cover a little bit in the flat. Do some
other things.
Speaker 13 (22:33):
So both these players us had eleven and a half
sacks in twenty twenty two, you know, when he had
a really good pass rusher opposite him in Matt Judon.
They had twenty seven sacks between the two of them.
So I think a husha you know, went to Kansas
City last year. I talked to Steve Spagnola about he
goes it's it's difficult to learn our defense on the
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fly during the season. We just asked guys to do
so much, so he didn't do a lot in Kansas City.
But they both have talent. They believe in throwing a
lot of bodies at these positions. They'll probably drafted edge
guy as well. You saw the development of Nolan Smith
like nobody else in the last ten weeks. Last year,
we saw Jalox Hunt have a real impact on the
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Super Bowl, their third round pick from a year ago.
So they want depth at that position where they can
rotate these guys through keep them fresh.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Because if you're playing for the Eagles.
Speaker 13 (23:26):
Here, Mike, you're planning on not just a seventeen game schedule,
You're planning on a twenty or twenty one game schedule.
So they want to rotate these guys through, get them
on the field, get them reps, keep them fresh up front,
and let their stars Jalen Carter, you know, Noah Smith,
let those guys really flourish in this scheme.
Speaker 7 (23:45):
Yeah, these guys have a big time potential to be
pass rushers that are consistent and if consistently healthy and
o Julari's case.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Which could mean big money.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
And my understanding is the Eagles that were sending these
guys to one year deals, which means next year they're
going to be free agent, and if they hit big
and signed big elsewhere, that's a compensatory draft pick for
those guys in twenty twenty seven. This is how Howie
Roseman computes these things to keep the draft picks going.
We're seeing he's in the thick of having a lot
of picks over the next couple of years.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Brian Baudeer, don't go anywhere.
Speaker 7 (24:15):
You're coming back right after this, because we are going
to ask you and Bucky Brooks are aces about some
of the prospects in.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
This upcoming draft. Yeah, including that guy.
Speaker 7 (24:25):
I think we'll work Shador Sanders in there somewhere. What
do you think that's up next?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
On the Insiders.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Big twelve Pro Day festivities wrapped up today in Frisco, Texas,
with over two hundred participants in attendance. Unclear whether that
number includes our guys RTT, Lewis, Daniel, Jeremiah, and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 14 (24:54):
Big twelve Pro Day action wrapping up here from Frisco, Texas.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
Another great event.
Speaker 14 (24:58):
Second year doing this on NFL now work re at Lewis, Dingram, Jeremiah,
Bucky Brooks. Been a lot of fun watching some of
the best prospects here from the Big twelve get after it.
And I think we were talking here as we watched,
you know, some more forties and some of the wide
receivers run here on Day two. Size and speed don't
go out of style, right.
Speaker 15 (25:12):
Yeah, always looking for that, always going to be hunting that.
And the Baylor Bears provided it really through both days,
having guys that could really run and modere Baldwin the
top of that list, a wide receiver who rips off
a four three two forty, the fastest we've seen at
the Big twelve Pro Days. So help yourself get on
the radar. Run four three two. That'll do it.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Yeah, DJ, that certainly would do it for him.
Speaker 11 (25:34):
But sometimes this can put you back on the radar,
and that's what this advent did for Ali Gordon, the
Oklahoma State standout, was really impressive going through the field drills.
You see the balance to footwork to body control, but
the most impressive part was what he did in terms
of catching the ball getting out of the backfield. Just
reminded that when you have someone of his size that
can make things happen in the passing game.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Man, you love to have those guys.
Speaker 11 (25:58):
This pro day was a great reminder of how good
he could be at the next level.
Speaker 14 (26:02):
I'll get back to the wide receivers and talk about
Brennan Presley from Oklahoma State and more production than anybody
at the wide receiver spot here at the combine three
hundred and fifteen catches in his career program leader and
then pulls off a four to four to six in
the forty thought. He really helped himself there. Looked good
catching the ball as well. So Brennan Presley guy Mike
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Gundy said me, way in those pressure situations we were
going to Pressley third down, red zone and caught a
ton of balls there in still water. So it's fun
to watch him out there compete it's good to be
fun to continue our Pro Day coverage here on NFL
Network as we wrap up this event here with the
Big twelve. We'll be back at it on Monday, watching
Miami's Pro Day and perhaps the number one overall pick
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in this year's draft, cam Ward. So we'll see you
then at four thirty Eastern time.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Miami Pro Day is coming up on Monday, and you
can watch it all right here on NFL Network and
NFL Plus starting at four thirty pm Eastern time. Quite
possibly a look at the number one overall pick in
the twenty twenty five NFL Draft that is just five
weeks from tonight. That's where Daniel Jeremiah has cam Ward
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going number one overall to the Titans. Also in Sdure
Sanders going at number three. But how will these quarterbacks fall?
It's time now to ask the aces presented by ACE
Hardware are aces tonight, Lancezerline and Brian Baldeger. I'm Tom
Pelicero here on the Insiders. Lance, let's start out by
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talking about cam Ward. You've watched all the tape, you've
dug into it. What do you make a cam Ward
right now? In the possibility he is indeed number one.
Speaker 16 (27:37):
Well, I think there's a good possibility he's number one
because he's easily, to me the best quarterback in this draft,
at least the one that I would be willing to
hang my hat on as a first round pick.
Speaker 17 (27:48):
And the reason simple.
Speaker 16 (27:49):
You know, he's got multiple boxes that get checked.
Speaker 17 (27:52):
He's got a big arm, he's got the ability to
throw off the platform.
Speaker 16 (27:56):
He's mobile enough outside of the pocket to make some
things happen. He's tough, as you see right here in
terms of extending to play and avoiding sex. And I
think one of the things that really stands out to
NFL teams I've spoken with is they really like the demeanor,
they like the mindset.
Speaker 17 (28:10):
They think he's a.
Speaker 16 (28:11):
Very professional type of player with a great mentality to
be a leader. So I think when you add it
all up, Tom, you have a player that you can
hang your hat on as the first quarterback in this draft,
and a guy that you could potentially draft, you know,
with the first pick. If you want to swing your sword,
you have to do it at some point, and if
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you're the Titans, it'd be the third quarterback they're drafted
in the last four years, but the first two haven't
gotten them right so far, so maybe this one will
be the right choice, you know.
Speaker 13 (28:40):
And I'm gonna be at cam Ward's pro day next Monday.
I'm looking really looking forward to it and just watch
him throw and just seeing how he competes out there
and all that kind of stuff. But when you watch
a tape like you have, one thing that is oppressive
is just his footwork. I mean, we showed plays getting
outside the pocket, extending plays, but you know, honestly, like
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when he when he goes to his progressions, now his feet.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
It's not just his eyes that you.
Speaker 13 (29:06):
Know, are moving from one one potential target to another,
his feet are getting set. He gets his feet set
well to make accurate throws. So I think fundamentally, mechanically
he's pretty pretty good right now. I think he's a
little bit more advanced than some of the other guys.
But when you want to watch the RPO game or
the quick game, I mean, he turns a double play
as about as well as anybody. He's got some twitch
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to him, and then you know his ability just to
stay calm and then to extend the plays and keep
his eyes down the field. I like a lot of
those things that you're talking about, they're evident on just
about any game that you pulled out from a year ago.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Yeah, there's a lot more variance when we're talking about
the draft stock of Chadeur Sanders, the Colorado quarterback who
at tended but did not participate in the Big twelve
Pro days earlier. Today, we know what the numbers said.
Also know it's some more complicated evaluation at the NFL level.
So what does Shador have to say about his own stock? Well,
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he talked to Bucky Brooks, who's got him right up
there at number one.
Speaker 18 (30:06):
Like I like the pressure that comes with everything. I'll
say pressure is also a privileged So if you don't
have pressure on you, then you know, I don't know
what you're doing. So that's why I'm thankful when I'm
truly blessed that I am in a position in the
situation that I'm in, because I wouldn't want no other way.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
You know, so much of being successful is being authentic.
Speaker 11 (30:26):
How are you able to just be so confident in
all environments when everyone is criticizing how you go about
doing things, playing walking around, et cetera.
Speaker 18 (30:35):
Cause you're either gonna be watching or you're gonna be
talking about it, it's gonna be one to two. So
I'd rather be the one, you know, getting talked about
in the one just watching it hating on another guy.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
So that's that's what I do.
Speaker 18 (30:46):
I got the most respect for everybody you know that
that has had some type of success in their life
because I truly understand how hard it is. So I
think people take that human factor out, how hard it
is to get to that point, how hard it is
for every everybody out here to even be able to perform,
to be able to even come here and work out
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in front of all these scouts and stuff like, it's
extremely hard. So I never down talk, I never pushed
down nobody because I know how hard it is, you know,
to perform.
Speaker 11 (31:16):
You know, and thinking about like some of the special
relationships that you've developed over the years, Tom Brady being
a guy that you can kind of lean on and
talk to and maybe solicten some advits from when you've
had those conversations, what has it been like.
Speaker 18 (31:29):
Well, I would say when we spoke the most in depth,
I'll say was early on, early on in my college career,
So a lot of things that he would speak on,
would it you know, register to me to like now,
so now you know my plan for the next couple
of weeks and the next couple of months is go
back and rewatch you know all the footage that we
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talked about, and then you know, now register more and
how you're saying turn your hips when you're throwing, create
torque and all that stuff. Like a couple of years ago,
I really didn't understand what that meant. But now it's like, okay,
I truly understand that. So that that's what it is,
is getting all the wisdom from everything that happened back then,
rewatching things like I don't watch TV, I just watched
old videos in myself.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
So and thinking about on the field in the game.
Speaker 11 (32:14):
There's been a conversation about your style of play, right
Everyone's talking about, oh, the quarterback needs to be more
athletic in those things.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
But you're more of a throwback.
Speaker 11 (32:21):
You play from the pocket, you live in the pocket,
You play with touch, time and anticipation. Why does your
style work and why would it continue to work at
the next level.
Speaker 18 (32:28):
I mean it always worked in the league. Look at
the history of the league. Now, everybody was you know,
big time runners back then, back in the day, so
you got the greatest quarterback ever time. Brady ain't run
too much. So I feel like the best thing for
me is to play from the pocket, and that's what
I'm most comfortable in now. The difference is is I'm
able to adjust to my team. So if I need
to be if I need to, you know, take different
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type of drops, if I need to be able to
get a little bit more active, then then I'm able
to do that and to judge my game.
Speaker 11 (32:57):
There's one thing scouts love to do is we love
to make comparisons. Right We're trying to say, like this
player is gonna play like this person at the next level.
But when you see yourself, who are some of the
quarterbacks that you emulate that you're patting your game after that,
you can see yourself being at the next level.
Speaker 18 (33:11):
Yeah, it's not like you could say it's a comparison.
Everybody's their own waigh and their own you know, forming
their own shape. Not everybody had to deal with There's
much pressure I had to deal with growing up through
all everything that went on. So if you put a
lot of people in the situation you know Whill was in,
not everybody would be able to be the person I
am today. So you know, you just got to see,
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you know, how everything pans out, and I know what
it's going to be. So it's just time for you
guys to see.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
School record in completion percentage. Also, according to next Gen Stats,
Shador Sanders leads all draft prospects in percentage of eye
contact with the camera. But as a player that franchise
quarterback Lance, what do you make of Shador Sanders in
this draft?
Speaker 17 (33:54):
I thought that was a really interesting interview with Bucky.
You know, you got to see a little vulnerability there
in the middle.
Speaker 16 (33:59):
There's a lot of braggadociares, a lot of ego there
with them, but I think it also serves them well,
to be honest with you, He's got so much confidence
in the pocket and it shows with his poise and
he's never afraid. But you know, he is not a
mobile guy outside of the pocket, not a great runner,
but he's very pocket mobile and that's something I don't
think gets talked about enough, and you can see it
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in some of the clips that you showed earlier. He's
got the ability to slide around when he feels pressure.
He can do it without dropping his eyes. He's very
smart with how he is able to shuffle around the
pocket and find a platform to throw off of, and
so some of those things, some of those intangibles that
we talk about a lot, some of the little elements
of being a good quarterback when it comes to throwing
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and it comes to mechanics, Schudor's definitely got that.
Speaker 17 (34:45):
Now.
Speaker 16 (34:45):
I do think he needs to play on rhythm and
in rhythm a little bit more.
Speaker 17 (34:49):
Sometimes I think he tries to do a little bit
too much.
Speaker 16 (34:51):
But he's got a lot of the elements that you
really like about a quarterback who can manage a game
from the pocket and win from the pocket.
Speaker 17 (34:58):
So there's a lot I like about him. I also
find him to be balding, very.
Speaker 16 (35:03):
Intriguing as a personality because when it's got prime time
as a dad, right, well, I'm always curious to see
who's the kid. Like we see the bluster, but what's
underneath all that bluster.
Speaker 13 (35:14):
Well, in that bluster, you got to win. Otherwise it's
just bluster. So you got to have confidence. Confidence comes winning. However,
you know, he did reference Tom Brady, and I remember
talking to Tom Brady this year about what you're describing
here Lance in that pocket awareness that he plays with,
and Tom Brady said, you can't coach it. He goes,
you either have it or you don't have it. And
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I think if you're going to be a good pocket quarterback,
you have to have it. You've got to be able
to separate within a phone book, within a phone booth.
He's able to do that. He's got accuracy, which is
really important. I think the other thing is when you
win from the pocket and you get the ball out
on time, and there's questions about how long he holds
a ball, you get hurt less, you take less hits,
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You win with your arm and with your decision making.
I think the speed of the decision making is pretty good. Now,
all these quarterbacks need help. They all need to be surrounded.
Nobody can do it in a vacuum. They all need
to be built. Once they established wherever they're going to
go like, they got to build around.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
I mean, you look at Jalen Hurts, a Super Bowl
MVP this year.
Speaker 13 (36:19):
The Eagles have never stopped building around Jalen Hurst and
now is the MVP. So wherever shadur goes and I
think he's gonna go high. You know you got to
understand that he's just one piece of your offense.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Now, let's coach him. Let's add the offense.
Speaker 13 (36:32):
Line, let's add the you know, the pieces around him,
and never stop adding those pieces around him.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Cam Warred Shaduur Sanders are gonna be tied together for
a long time in terms of the comparisons their buddies.
They have the same quarterbacks coach. We've talked a lot
about them, and for good reason, Lance, but there's gonna
be other quarterbacks taken in this draft, maybe even some
in the first round.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
How do you see this next group shaken out?
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 17 (36:56):
I mean it is.
Speaker 16 (36:57):
They are lumped together, and it's really what's your flavor advice?
Because I think they're all very very bundled very closely together.
It's a matter of what you're looking for. You know,
we looked at Bucky's list and I'll throw some names
that weren't on his list that I could easily put
in the top five. And I'll start with Dylan Gabriel.
We haven't talked about him much. You know, Dylan Gabriel
does not.
Speaker 17 (37:17):
Have a big arm.
Speaker 16 (37:17):
When he gets outside of his comfort zone. He's somebody
who tends to you know, throw a little bit inaccurately.
But if you want somebody to manage a game, if
you want somebody to make big plays on third down,
if you want somebody with tremendous game experience, who really
is the moment's never too big for him? That's Dylan
Gabriel from Oregon. How about Quinn yours? Quinn, you were
speaking of big moments. This guy went on the road
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and won at Alabama against Nick Saban in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 17 (37:41):
Go ahead and count the amount of.
Speaker 16 (37:42):
Losses he's had on the road over the last two years,
and I'm not sure you'll raise a finger.
Speaker 17 (37:47):
I mean, this guy wins.
Speaker 16 (37:48):
He's been a winning quarterback, but the tape is very
uneven for him over the last two years, and some
of it has been due to durability. So what are
you getting on the next level. Let's look at Taylor
Tyler Shup. Taylor Shuck is the guy who may have
the best size to arm type of ratio that you
could possibly hope for.
Speaker 17 (38:07):
And what I love.
Speaker 16 (38:08):
About him is that he can make any throw from
the pocket. He's very impressive. The problem is he's played
seven years of college football. He's had injuries, substantial injuries
in three of those years. What are you getting on
the next level.
Speaker 13 (38:22):
That's gonna be fun to see how the quarterbacks you've
just described how they separate out. But you know the
buzz right now is from Jalen Milroe and what he
did in his pro day yesterday, whether he ran the
four three seven or four to four regardless, that shows
up time and time again on tape when you watch him.
You know, just handle Georgia last year. When you see
the way that he threw the ball, but you know
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at his sides and two hundred and twenty pounds in
this fat and this kind of speed and his ability
to run. You just think about some of these guys
that came out where they said, well, he's never gonna
be accurate, he's never going to be able to read defense.
They said that about Lamar, they said that about Josh
Josh Allen, that about Jalen Hursts, and here they are
the stars.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Of the league right now.
Speaker 13 (39:04):
I just think that if you give Jalen Milroe good
coaching and a good system and give him some time,
that he might become that guy that you know, can
really take the top off defenses with his ability to run,
his big arm that he has, and then it's just
his love of the game. He's done it at a
high level in a great conference. I'd like to see
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just what this Pro Day does for him when it
comes to the draft right now, because I feel like
his stock is climbing right now.
Speaker 16 (39:32):
You know, Tom, just real quick, I want to go
ahead put a follow up on him real quick.
Speaker 17 (39:37):
He's an explosive player.
Speaker 16 (39:39):
Explosive players get drafted earlier than non explosive players.
Speaker 17 (39:44):
So that's one of the reasons that Baldi's talking about.
Speaker 16 (39:46):
He's got buzz because there's no one else in this
draft like him, not even close.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Also, fun fact, Jylen Melroe looks exactly like Lance with
his shirt off, so there's also that Lance pay Thank
you very much a lot more from you guys here,
and we roll five weeks away from the NFL Draft.
Once upon a time, Rodney Pete was making plays for
the Eagles and the Lions throwing the bowl.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
But did you know he can catch it too? We'll
explain next on The Insiders.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
March's Madness is underway, and somewhere in a parallel universe,
Miles Garrett is the scariest power forward since Charles Barkley.
That is not a man you want to have across
from you when he's on the Skins team.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Put his shirt on.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
It's two intimidating miles, also harder to guard. Welcome back
to the Insiders, Tom Pillicero, Mike Garofalo, and Judy. But
taste of your favorite time of year here, Jude.
Speaker 6 (40:46):
It is my favorite time of year. But you know,
earlier today, I was trying to think what you guys
were reminding me of, and fortunately our fabulous producer McEnroe
Francis was able to help me out. This is what
you guys are reminding me of today.
Speaker 7 (41:00):
Yeah, den only one of us actually wearing Denham.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
No, this is this is a cotton.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
And for the record, in front of my shirt is
not the back of an old pair of jeans.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Like whoever that.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Was, I don't even actually it was just Timberlake. That
was Britney. I was going to guess it was Rodney Pete.
That's a Timperance story we were going to get into.
Because Rodney Pete, former NFL quarterback, did not make the
Dodgers left field er feel great last night.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
The game in Tokyo.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Rodney Pete, I've seen you will say this was full
bart Man, it was not. He's very much within his rights.
He is in the stands. He's reaching out. Mike, I
say this is well within bounds. Rodney Pete, good move
and even better looks.
Speaker 6 (41:45):
He's not making a catch.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Well, he missed.
Speaker 7 (41:48):
His glove was below months he's glove and he didn't
touch him at all.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
He didn't interfere at all. And the face at the end.
Speaker 7 (41:54):
Put the glasses down like that's that's exactly what that
should have been right there.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
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