November 3, 2025 • 26 mins
NFL Network Insiders Tom Pelissero and Ian Rapoport give you updates on injuries to Commanders QB Jayden Daniels and Packers TE Tucker Kraft, react to the Eagles trading for EDGE Jaelen Phillips and the Seahawks impressive start to the season. NFL Network's Steve Wyche joins the show to the Bills win against the Chiefs, the Bears and Bengals' wild Week 9 matchup, and the Patriots continuing to set the pace in the AFC East.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome Inside with the Insiders, another Monday podcast edition a
little over twenty four hours as we record this ahead
of the NFL trade deadline. THAT'SI in rapoport. I'm Tom Pelicero.
I am going to issue a blanket disclaimer because we
do not have a live NFL Network show on Mondays,
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because we've got a pregame show instead. This is something
that airs on YouTube. It's a podcast. It also is
on the NFL channel on fast streaming platforms, which also
gives us the freedom that if something happens and one
of us has to stand up, do not fear the
other one is responsible for going into four minute offense
keeping the show rolling, but rest assured a we will
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be back at b It must be a very important
call because there are a lot of different possibilities as
we come up to the deadline. We will get to
one trade that already happened a little bit later on
in the show. But let's start out ian as we
do every Monday, by taking a look back at the
Sunday of Week nine, specifically starting out with the injuries.
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It was a nightmare for the commanders in every capacity,
giving up twenty eight points to a literally perfect Sam
Darnold in the first half to the injuries that began
to mount to being down by thirty one points, I
believe in the fourth quarter keeping Jaden Daniels on the field,
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and all of a sudden he suffers what may not
be the most serious injury, but definitely one of the
more gruesome injuries we've seen in the game. What's the latest.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah, it is a dislocated elbow, which you know, this
is kind of like we talked about with Cam Scatabo.
I mean, you look down in the field, you see it.
You know, we all need to talk to sources, we
all need to get confirmation, and so you know, you
wait till you get the text at one in the morning,
inevitably to sleep through it, only to do it at
six am. But it is one of those where you
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look down in the field, you know it's a dislocated elbow,
Like that's just that's what it is. You knew was bad,
the arm was going the wrong way. I didn't need
a source to tell me that. What I did need
a source to tell me was that the X rays
were negative, and it seems like it's gonna be better
as opposed to worse. The worst would be out for
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the season, multiple ligament tears. You know the Latin next
time we see Jaden Danis is on the field for
twenty twenty six. More reality for this one is that
it is not as bad. He's probably going in IR.
I think that's almost certain as of right now. He's
gonna have a number on Tuesday. But no broken bones.
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Not as bad as expected. That means at least Jane
Daniels is looking at the possibility of coming back this season.
But if that's the case, then I also wonder does
he come back to season at all, because you know,
the commander's record is what is it three and six?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Now?
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Whatever's three and six?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, so like you know, let's say they are four
in ten by the time he's able to come back,
does he come back?
Speaker 4 (03:04):
You know?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And I would say, you know, that's that's certainly a question.
So you know, we will see, we'll see based on
where the commanders are. But I think long term, not
the worst news for Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
And for anybody who didn't see the injury too. We
should clarify this is his non throwing arm. It's his
left arm. As awful as it is to see a
dislocated elbow. You get I don't know, a dozen of
these every season, and a lot of times if it's
a linebacker, if it's an offensive line, they might be
back in two three weeks. A little bit different with
a quarterback. You don't often see a quarterback, even on
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his non throwing arm, rolling around with a gigantic brace
like the one that Jaden Daniels was wearing as he
left the field. Also, you're talking about the centerpiece of
your franchise, a guy that you want to be there
for the long haul, and at three and six, honestly,
it's a little different. These are medical decisions, just like
it was Jane Daniels had a knee injury this year,
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just like when Jane Daniels had a hamstring injury this year.
Their medical decisions to hold him back. But realistically, if
you're three and six, the odds of him medical decision,
but it's sort of not coming back in a few
weeks because medically he'd be cleared to do so. The
wisdom of that could be impacted at least a little
bit by where the team is. And oh, by the way,
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Terry McLaurin is still not healthy at this point. Nor
Brown's still on IR and last night they saw they
suffered multiple other injuries. I into a team that you know,
quite frankly, from the start of this season, it seems
like it's just one thing after another.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, it is wild though, as it happens, and I'm
sure Commanders fans rightfully show are going through it today.
I mean, last year, you know, from the Hail Mary on,
it was as you know, dreamlike as you could possibly imagine.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Everything went right for the Commanders. They had that at all,
And this year it was an off season that felt
like where they were kind of like loading up, like Deebo.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Samuel, like one of the last pieces Larer made Tonsil,
a thirty something left tackle. Pay a lot of money
for these guys. In me, Deebo, they paid seventeen million dollars.
Pay a lot of money for these guys. You hope
that the finishing touches on what is a Super Bowl contender,
and instead they've had injury after injury. Terry mcclaurin hasn't
looked right or hasn't looked very good. Deebo's been okay.
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You know, it seems like a lot of the acquisitions
and signings have been fine. You know, Austin Eckler tears
his achilles. As a lot of running backs are in
their thirties, you know have deal with similar injuries. Has
just been a nightmare. And then you know Marsha and Lattimore,
who was kind of the jewel of the trade deadline
last year. You know he is feared to have torn
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his acl and would be out for the season. You
have Luke McCaffrey, not a household name except for his
last name, but they're starting kick returner and the starting receiver.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
He is out for the season. Where they toured, cut,
where they torn, where they.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Broken collar bone.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
I don't know how long you want me to go,
but the Commander's injuries have been just as bad as
you can imagine. So I'll be curious to see what
they do over the next twenty four hours or so.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
They're one of the oldest teams in the NFL. I
can't remember if they were number one or number two
on the opening day roster. But you know the von
Millers and the zach Ertz is an acquiring deebo In
acquiring Tunsil. It's certainly you understand why in the what
they feel is a championship window, coming off an NFC title,
the game appearance, you're going, hey, let's bring everybody back,
Bobby Wagner, all these guys. The issue with older players,
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besides durability, which we've seen in some of these cases,
even paying Terry McLaurin, who is an older wide receiver,
the issue is not just that they might get hurt.
It's also that those guys are not going to ascend.
And you're seeing some players the while they may not
have fallen off the cliff, whether injury or otherwise, they're
not quite the same guys this year. So you're absolutely
right for team. Also, the traded draft capital to get
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some of those older players, do they now completely turn
to try to get some of that capital back. That's
one of many storylines will be following leading up to
the trade deadline. Meanwhile, we also had a major injury
for the Packers. Ian because I don't know, in a
season where green Bay going into yesterday and a surprise
lost to the Panthers, which we can get into more later,
I don't know if there was a single player who
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kind of defined what we saw the Packers becoming. N
Tucker Craft freak athlete. Physical dude looks like somewhere in
a cross between Gronk and Travis Kelcey. He had a
neat scare like several weeks ago in practice, this time
more than a scare, and Craft's not going to be back.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Yeah, more than a scare, a torn acl out for
the season. And you know, we spent a lot of time.
You know, you try to find out what these injuries are,
try to bring the news to the people.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
You know.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Listen to Matt Lafour yesterday. His language, body language and
actual language was this is a disaster. And he's not
the big injury guy.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I don't think he doesn't look good though his code
doesn't look good. Is back.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
You should probably make some calls because yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Yeah and so like. But but I thought that sequence
with Lafloor really showed it all because like all the
guys to lose, I mean, Jordan Love would be number one.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
God forbid, this is up there.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I mean, because you know, they have a lot of receivers,
they have a lot of different weapons. I don't know
that anybody has a weapon like this guy, Like seriously,
like how many I mean the Lions do vikings sort
of do your buddy TJ. Hockinson, but like there's not
a lot of them. You know, you mentioned Gronk. I mean,
he's the guy who looks just like Gronk. He really does,
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you know, he looks just like Gronk. So you know,
I don't know how the Packers can deal with it,
but it is certainly a tough, tough blow it Actually,
I remember when the Packers lost David Baktiari like the
night before the playoffs to a non contact dur dream practice,
and that felt like this.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Pretty bad one for Green Bay. I gotta say CJ.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Stroud also had a concussion in the game yesterday. So potentially,
Davis Mills a guy that Texans have invested and reinvested in.
If there's any team that feels like they've got a
backup quarterback that they can play with, it's a team
that's extended their young quarterback multiple times in Davis Mills.
Let's also talk about we referenced some of the moves
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that potentially could be coming in a place like Washington
as sellers. The Dolphins have already entered into that mode,
and it has been a fairly wild week in Miami
from fans booing and wearing bags over their heads on
Thursday night to Chris Greer parting ways mutually with the
Dolphins as their GM after a decade on the job
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on Friday, And with that came this total tone shift
where every team that I was talking to, and I'm
guessing here the same Boaty and GM's were saying when
they were calling outside of like just kind of the
you know, the bottom of the roster guys, the answer
on all these marquee players with the Dolphins was we're
just we're not interested in doing that. Well, all of
a sudden now at two and seven, and with Champ
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Kelly taking over as the interim general manager, it became
with of course ownerships blessing, we're open to talking about
anybody on the roster. Teams are really aggressive about the
pass rushers. And they got one of those deals done
on Sunday night with Jalen Phillips.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Yeah, Jalen Phillips goes from the Dolphins to the Eagles.
Dolphins pay the bulk of his salary, which helps the
Eagles give a better pick. It ends up being a
three instead of probably being a four, which is a
pretty high price. And so like that of all the
things that happen here, Like that price stands out to
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me because I sort of wonder, like, you know, like
if you're the Dolphins and you're trying to trade Bradley Chubb,
which I think there's a realistic chance he gets traded,
you got to get at least to four now, right,
I mean he's a little older but similarly productive. You
got to get at least to four. And if you're
the Bengals and you're trying to you know you're open
to trading Tree Hendrickson when it seems they're at least
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sort of open to it, you got to get like
a two or a three and a good player.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Like the price because.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
The Eagles were willing to do it, it felt like
to me, at least you could disagree, but it felt
like the price went up. But yeah, I think for
the Eagles, you know, they've they've taken some flyers on
some talented players who haven't really performed. I mean, Jalen
Phillips is, a first round pick, has not really performed
this year, got a couple of sacks.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Two season ending injuries in prior years to a bit
of an acl and an achilles, which is gonna be
rough things. But is you know, physical talent wise, he's
there and a third round pick. I mean you're not, Hey,
there's no draft this time of year. B You're probably
not finding a guy that physically talented in the third round.
You're just hoping, like Eagles have sometimes in the past,
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take a guy who medically might not be completely perfect
and know that you've got a plan to get him
on the field each week, and also have a plan
for your defensive coordinator, Vic Fangio, who knows Jalen Phillips
really well.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Yeah, kind of reminds me of Josh Sweat. Josh Wet
was a guy.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
That's exactly who I was thinking of. Everybody teams flunked
him on his physical The Eagles took him in the
second round despite a bad knee, and he played really
really well for them until he got a free agent deal.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
With the car Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
And it's funny, same page. Yeah, I mean that's I
would assume they have a plan. I would assume Vic.
You know, Vic Fangio has been pushing for this. I
don't know if you know this, but Vic Fangio is
very particular about what he likes and doesn't like. Likes
this one, so you sort of knew, and Cam Wolf
our buddy, foreshadowed this on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
You sort of knew this was ball Street.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
He was on it.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
He was on it. So yeah, so Eagles make it,
and it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
You know they've added Gyro Alexander we'll see he hasn't
played a lot, but has talent. Brandon Graham comes back
probably they're on a buye this week, right, so probably
after the bye which is this coming week, he'll probably play.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
And you know they've added Michael Carter the second certainly talented,
and Phillips. We'll see what the Eagles get, but pretty active,
no doubt.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I'll start about a couple of the games. By the way,
we got a trade deadline special Tuesday. The deadline is
at four pm Eastern time. We were doing a special
show of The Insiders live on NFL Network and NFL
Plus in addition to our normal seven pm Eastern show tomorrow,
So all Insiders, all the newes starting out bright and
early on Good Morning Football, me Ian and Mike will
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be there. But Trade deadline special, all the deals as
they hit four pm Eastern time tomorrow. Will the Seahawks
be potentially in the mix. They're the ones who took
it to Washington last night, put the Commanders in this spot.
And Ian I had a general manager for a different
team while I was talking with earlier today who said
to me, I think the Seahawks are the best team
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in football, and honestly as wild as that is to
say from this offseason when there were plenty of questions
nationally about is this team in a rebuild? They traded Gino,
they traded DK Metcalf, what's the plan? You look at
them and right now, like that team, this Seahawks team
reminds me of twenty thirteen, except that they're throwing the
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ball way better and more effectively and more often than
that team did that had the legion of boom and
had marsh On lynching at Russell Wilson. It's just this
very physical, young, aggressive type of attack. Can't say enough
about what John Schneider and Mike McDonald have done out
there to put themselves in this position where not only
are they in it in the NFC West, we could
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be talking about the Seahawks down the line as being
in contention for the number one seed.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I don't know why not. I mean, what they did
last night like look a bad day for the Commanders today,
but nobody thought they were bad heading into yesterday. I
thought that was gonna be a good game. It was
not a good game. It is unbelievable what Seattle has done.
Like they moved on from a quarterback who is their
franchise guy. I mean, obviously Russell Wilson was diminished by
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that point, but they moved on for franchise quarterback and
they went from bridge quarterback to I don't think Sam
Donald's a bridge quarterback now, but I think a lot
of people probably thought he was. And they've done it
while making the playoffs consistently being good.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
They've used the picks in the.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Russell Wilson trade for to have franchise cornerstones, and they're
better than they ever have been. And they took a
quarterback in Sam Donald that had certainly showed flashes with
the Vikings. I think there was a lot to like there,
but many people around the league doubted what the ceiling
would be. I mean, the Raiders, did you know they
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they probably could have had him. I know the Vikings
went all in on JJ McCarthy in a way that
I definitely understand, but they probably could have had Donald back,
and the Seahawks said, this is our guy. We're gonna
for the same price, upgrade over Gino and get younger,
And that decision, among all their other decisions, stands out.
It is We're not there yet, but I like, can't
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be more impressed with how on the fly they've taken
a situation that most franchises would be like step back,
step back, step back, small step forward, like they're the
same and now better and it's crazy. So yeah, I
think the Seahawks could be really.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Good NFC playoff picture at the top, extremely crowded and clouded.
AFC thirty seconds lession. Are we back to believe in
the Bills now? Or the team to beat.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Bills are Patriots? They Patriots won last time. I mean,
the Patriots look.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Bad yesterday seven seven, last another night, but I very.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
If you're the Bills, very very good to see that
on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Night or from the insiders. After this, let's welcome our
friends Steve Whites to the conversation. Now, Steve, we've seen
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some wild and wacky games across the NFL this season.
I don't know Xaguary ranks on the list, but the
Bears Bengals shootout has to be somewhere. I'd say, even
conservatively in the top.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Five, tom it might be the top one.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
You know, I didn't think anything crazier than the Denver
Giants finish, but this was just absolutely insane because of
what happened in the final two minutes. I mean, Cincinnati
comes down and scores with two minutes left to have
a successful on side kick, which we never see. They
go back down and score first this year exactly. Then
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they go back down and score again to take the
lead at forty two to forty one with less than
a minute left.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
And then this Swiss cheese defense, which.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Looked good on first and second down, allows Caleb Williams
to scramble for fourteen yards on a third and ten.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
They're playing for the field goal.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
Chicago's playing for the field goal because he throws it
to the middle of the field to Colston Loveland with
no timeouts.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
You've got no timeouts left, completed, Clocket kick the field goal.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Well, one safety who's there, knocks the other safety off
the tackle. Loveland goes into the end zone and next
thing you know, you got Jamar Chase and Brown basically
telling their defense in the locker room, make a freaking play.
We're over. So now that's where the Bengals are. And
I'm watching this game saying, if the Bengals had even
a smidgeon of defense as crazy as the AFC.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
North is, they would be in it.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
You got Joe Flacco thrown for almost five hundred yards,
Jamar Chase T Higgins. These guys are doing fantastic and
they blow a game like that when again, Chicago was
giving it to them, and so it was absolutely insane.
Good on the Bears not to give up and to
understand who they were playing, because the Bears are still
in it.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
But they didn't look great by any means either.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
I mean, I think they gave up almost five hundred
yards to total offense to Cincinnati.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
So incredible finish.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
But I just feel bad for so many folks with
the Bengals because again, if they had even a JV defense,
they would be in the AFC North playoff line.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Yeah, you know what this kind of makes me think.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
So last year I remember being you know, you always
sort of prepare for when changes happened, you know, last
week week after the regular season all that, and like
I knew there was a chance that the Bengals would
move on from someone, and then when it turned out
to be lou An Rumo, I was kind of like, huh, interesting,
Like I understood why he was sort of the guy,
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but also was like, he's really good. So if you're
going to do that, you got to know that you
have someone as good. It's just a change or better.
And you know, they were really excited about Al Golden.
It has not worked out as of now, and that
is proving to be one of the worst moves of
the entire offseason. Tom, Like, you take a guy who
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has you know, been an indie this year and done it,
you know, helped turn that work out. Yeah, I mean
that's just you know, I really wonder how good this
team would be if it's still at.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
An Rumo as its defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I think there's a couple pieces to this one. From
everybody's perspective. It was probably time Lou I think was
probably in a place where it might be better for
him to go someplace else where he had a talent
deficit there for so long, and to get to Indianapolis
where it's just kind of a fresh start. He's always
been one of the best defensive coordinators in the league.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
But what you're.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Seeing, I think more than anything, is this is a
roster that just is lacking in a lot of different
areas now, and certainly criticism of everybody when you're giving
up like historic levels of points and yards the worst
by far in the NFL. Everybody, nobody's immune to criticism.
But it's not as if Al Golden and the staff
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now are telling guys, hey don't tackle, hey don't play physical,
and you watched that game yesterday and it is terrible,
terrible what's happening on the field. Trey Hendricks has been
out the past couple of games. You know, that does
not help either, And certainly that's another name we'll be
watching as we come up potentially on the trade deadline.
Shamar Stewart has just been banged up. He's a really,
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really talented guy, but how much of the season is
he even been healthy for to be able to make
an impact. They've got some guys like DJ Turner who
have actually played well within the mess, but there's just
you know, you bench Peyton Wilson's your defensive captain to
play a rookie, and that doesn't seem to be working.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Out.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Wilson wants out like there's just there's so many different
things happening right here. It'll be interesting to see how
Cincinnati navigates this thing as we move forward. There's not
a lot of teams, Steve, that that can score this
many points and lose this many games.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
And it quickly.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
Guys, First off, three three defensive players have asked out right,
Three have asked out to me. That doesn't tell me
you got a problem with your teammates. That tells me
you got a problem with something or somebody in the organization.
But also you just look at this and Tom, you
nailed it. Just years of missing on defensive talent, you
know it. Just I don't know what they're gonna do.
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But I mean you just see offensively, they Joe Flacco
comes in and change everything offensively, So that's one player,
but defensively they might be eight or nine guys away
from fixing. And again, coaching, we can blame it all.
I saw mistackles, I saw a lack of effort. I
just to me, it's player execution and player want to
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more than anything like that last touchdown was just a
mess in terms of they look tired.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Players want to step up and make a play.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Also credit to Ben Johnson for anybody who was wondering,
you know about the leadership traits. He's just the guy
in the dark room drawing up plays. Watch any Ben
Johnson post game speech right now and you are gonna
be fired up. I mean, Caleb Williams, how many different
people over the last year talked about how the Bears
blew it and took the wrong quarterback and that's not
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a slight at all. Jade Daniels as unbelievable as a rookie.
But Kim Williams is playing like a dude. Ben Johnson's
making use of everything. Kleb Williams is catching touchdowns. He's
done a phenomenal job. So it's almost two hundred yards. Yes,
Mike Rabil also first year out. I mean, benjen is
going to be a Coach of the Year candidate as
it's going down right now. Mike Rabel is probably the
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guy to beat seven and two at this stage. After
holding on to beat the Falcons yesterday, Steve just I
keep going back to it. I was their week one
in Foxborough. They didn't look good, so they were zero
to one, losing to the Raiders, which have barely played
a good game since. There's seven and one since that game,
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and it just seems like from Drake May on down,
they get better every week.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
First off, Tom Shane Steiken would like a word, but
I love the look the Patriots defense.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
You can't run on them, right, So Atlanta found that
out pretty early.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
So they're throwing the ball all over the place. But
Drake May, who.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
Got sacked what five or six times yesterday, he still
stood up and made plays when he had to.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
They that was a game that they survived.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
That is the proper technique, cause if Atlanta doesn't miss
a pat they could be losing that game. You know,
in overtime, we don't know. So this is where the Patriots,
when you look at their schedule coming up, like they
have a late buy, they still have to get by
four more games they've bet at Tampa Bay Giants Sincy
I'm sorry, Jets since and then Giants before the bye.
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So now this is a survival game. You got to
get through these four games before you get to the
buy and refresh, because then you come out with bills
of Baltimore. So we're really going to see the metal.
Everyone talks about the strength of schedule being easy for
the Patriots, but that late bye is taxing or could.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Be a great thing if you're about to make a
deep playoff run, because listen, I'm not saying it's any
given Sunday, but Jets, Bengals and Giants, if you're just
playing the percentage this year, we might be talking about
a ten to two Patriots at the by sitting there
as the number one seed e and with time to go,
with those tough games still coming up down the stretch.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
You know, and this really this we talked about the
Commanders earlier in the show. This feels like really the
Commanders last year, you know, because it's like they got
a quarterback. You know, quarterback can really obviously elevate them.
And it felt like like last year with the Commanders
and Mike Frabel too, It's like you get some core
a little bit better, you get like the middle thirty
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guys to be a little bit tougher and a little
bit better, and special teams are better, and it kind
of just elevates everything. All of a sudden, you're winning
close games and you're good. Mike Frabel has been absolutely
the perfect tire for the Patriot Drake May.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Has been really good.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yesterday was okay, but has been really really good. This
looks like a team, you know, really on the rise.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
And I don't even know that their personnel is kind
of where they want it anyway. I mean, they got
a Stefon Diggs is good, but they got a bunch
of number two and three receivers. I mean they just
offensive lines, okay, I mean they're not where they want
to be. Still a really good team. Definitely a team
to look out for this year and moving forward.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
And by the way, that Falcons team that was a
missed extra point some other bounces away yesterday of beating
the Patriots. They're on an NFL network playing the Colts
in Berlin, the first Berlin game of all time for
the NFL. Next Sunday, nine thirty am Eastern kickoff our show,
Ian and I will be on at seven am Eastern.
That's an early wake up call, and we know that
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you will all be there as well. All right, for
those of you watching on the Fast channel, the NFL
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you in rapport, I'm Tom Hilla Cyril. See there
Welcome Inside with the Insiders, another Monday podcast edition a
little over twenty four hours as we record this ahead
of the NFL trade deadline. THAT'SI in rapoport. I'm Tom Pelicero.
I am going to issue a blanket disclaimer because we
do not have a live NFL Network show on Mondays,
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because we've got a pregame show instead. This is something
that airs on YouTube. It's a podcast. It also is
on the NFL channel on fast streaming platforms, which also
gives us the freedom that if something happens and one
of us has to stand up, do not fear the
other one is responsible for going into four minute offense
keeping the show rolling, but rest assured a we will
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be back at b It must be a very important
call because there are a lot of different possibilities as
we come up to the deadline. We will get to
one trade that already happened a little bit later on
in the show. But let's start out ian as we
do every Monday, by taking a look back at the
Sunday of Week nine, specifically starting out with the injuries.
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It was a nightmare for the commanders in every capacity,
giving up twenty eight points to a literally perfect Sam
Darnold in the first half to the injuries that began
to mount to being down by thirty one points, I
believe in the fourth quarter keeping Jaden Daniels on the field,
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and all of a sudden he suffers what may not
be the most serious injury, but definitely one of the
more gruesome injuries we've seen in the game. What's the latest.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah, it is a dislocated elbow, which you know, this
is kind of like we talked about with Cam Scatabo.
I mean, you look down in the field, you see it.
You know, we all need to talk to sources, we
all need to get confirmation, and so you know, you
wait till you get the text at one in the morning,
inevitably to sleep through it, only to do it at
six am. But it is one of those where you
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look down in the field, you know it's a dislocated elbow,
Like that's just that's what it is. You knew was bad,
the arm was going the wrong way. I didn't need
a source to tell me that. What I did need
a source to tell me was that the X rays
were negative, and it seems like it's gonna be better
as opposed to worse. The worst would be out for
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the season, multiple ligament tears. You know the Latin next
time we see Jaden Danis is on the field for
twenty twenty six. More reality for this one is that
it is not as bad. He's probably going in IR.
I think that's almost certain as of right now. He's
gonna have a number on Tuesday. But no broken bones.
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Not as bad as expected. That means at least Jane
Daniels is looking at the possibility of coming back this season.
But if that's the case, then I also wonder does
he come back to season at all, because you know,
the commander's record is what is it three and six?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Now?
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Whatever's three and six?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, so like you know, let's say they are four
in ten by the time he's able to come back,
does he come back?
Speaker 4 (03:04):
You know?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And I would say, you know, that's that's certainly a question.
So you know, we will see, we'll see based on
where the commanders are. But I think long term, not
the worst news for Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
And for anybody who didn't see the injury too. We
should clarify this is his non throwing arm. It's his
left arm. As awful as it is to see a
dislocated elbow. You get I don't know, a dozen of
these every season, and a lot of times if it's
a linebacker, if it's an offensive line, they might be
back in two three weeks. A little bit different with
a quarterback. You don't often see a quarterback, even on
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his non throwing arm, rolling around with a gigantic brace
like the one that Jaden Daniels was wearing as he
left the field. Also, you're talking about the centerpiece of
your franchise, a guy that you want to be there
for the long haul, and at three and six, honestly,
it's a little different. These are medical decisions, just like
it was Jane Daniels had a knee injury this year,
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just like when Jane Daniels had a hamstring injury this year.
Their medical decisions to hold him back. But realistically, if
you're three and six, the odds of him medical decision,
but it's sort of not coming back in a few
weeks because medically he'd be cleared to do so. The
wisdom of that could be impacted at least a little
bit by where the team is. And oh, by the way,
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Terry McLaurin is still not healthy at this point. Nor
Brown's still on IR and last night they saw they
suffered multiple other injuries. I into a team that you know,
quite frankly, from the start of this season, it seems
like it's just one thing after another.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, it is wild though, as it happens, and I'm
sure Commanders fans rightfully show are going through it today.
I mean, last year, you know, from the Hail Mary on,
it was as you know, dreamlike as you could possibly imagine.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Everything went right for the Commanders. They had that at all,
And this year it was an off season that felt
like where they were kind of like loading up, like Deebo.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Samuel, like one of the last pieces Larer made Tonsil,
a thirty something left tackle. Pay a lot of money
for these guys. In me, Deebo, they paid seventeen million dollars.
Pay a lot of money for these guys. You hope
that the finishing touches on what is a Super Bowl contender,
and instead they've had injury after injury. Terry mcclaurin hasn't
looked right or hasn't looked very good. Deebo's been okay.
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You know, it seems like a lot of the acquisitions
and signings have been fine. You know, Austin Eckler tears
his achilles. As a lot of running backs are in
their thirties, you know have deal with similar injuries. Has
just been a nightmare. And then you know Marsha and Lattimore,
who was kind of the jewel of the trade deadline
last year. You know he is feared to have torn
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his acl and would be out for the season. You
have Luke McCaffrey, not a household name except for his
last name, but they're starting kick returner and the starting receiver.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
He is out for the season. Where they toured, cut,
where they torn, where they.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Broken collar bone.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
I don't know how long you want me to go,
but the Commander's injuries have been just as bad as
you can imagine. So I'll be curious to see what
they do over the next twenty four hours or so.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
They're one of the oldest teams in the NFL. I
can't remember if they were number one or number two
on the opening day roster. But you know the von
Millers and the zach Ertz is an acquiring deebo In
acquiring Tunsil. It's certainly you understand why in the what
they feel is a championship window, coming off an NFC title,
the game appearance, you're going, hey, let's bring everybody back,
Bobby Wagner, all these guys. The issue with older players,
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besides durability, which we've seen in some of these cases,
even paying Terry McLaurin, who is an older wide receiver,
the issue is not just that they might get hurt.
It's also that those guys are not going to ascend.
And you're seeing some players the while they may not
have fallen off the cliff, whether injury or otherwise, they're
not quite the same guys this year. So you're absolutely
right for team. Also, the traded draft capital to get
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some of those older players, do they now completely turn
to try to get some of that capital back. That's
one of many storylines will be following leading up to
the trade deadline. Meanwhile, we also had a major injury
for the Packers. Ian because I don't know, in a
season where green Bay going into yesterday and a surprise
lost to the Panthers, which we can get into more later,
I don't know if there was a single player who
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kind of defined what we saw the Packers becoming. N
Tucker Craft freak athlete. Physical dude looks like somewhere in
a cross between Gronk and Travis Kelcey. He had a
neat scare like several weeks ago in practice, this time
more than a scare, and Craft's not going to be back.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Yeah, more than a scare, a torn acl out for
the season. And you know, we spent a lot of time.
You know, you try to find out what these injuries are,
try to bring the news to the people.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
You know.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Listen to Matt Lafour yesterday. His language, body language and
actual language was this is a disaster. And he's not
the big injury guy.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I don't think he doesn't look good though his code
doesn't look good. Is back.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
You should probably make some calls because yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Yeah and so like. But but I thought that sequence
with Lafloor really showed it all because like all the
guys to lose, I mean, Jordan Love would be number one.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
God forbid, this is up there.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I mean, because you know, they have a lot of receivers,
they have a lot of different weapons. I don't know
that anybody has a weapon like this guy, Like seriously,
like how many I mean the Lions do vikings sort
of do your buddy TJ. Hockinson, but like there's not
a lot of them. You know, you mentioned Gronk. I mean,
he's the guy who looks just like Gronk. He really does,
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you know, he looks just like Gronk. So you know,
I don't know how the Packers can deal with it,
but it is certainly a tough, tough blow it Actually,
I remember when the Packers lost David Baktiari like the
night before the playoffs to a non contact dur dream practice,
and that felt like this.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Pretty bad one for Green Bay. I gotta say CJ.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Stroud also had a concussion in the game yesterday. So potentially,
Davis Mills a guy that Texans have invested and reinvested in.
If there's any team that feels like they've got a
backup quarterback that they can play with, it's a team
that's extended their young quarterback multiple times in Davis Mills.
Let's also talk about we referenced some of the moves
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that potentially could be coming in a place like Washington
as sellers. The Dolphins have already entered into that mode,
and it has been a fairly wild week in Miami
from fans booing and wearing bags over their heads on
Thursday night to Chris Greer parting ways mutually with the
Dolphins as their GM after a decade on the job
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on Friday, And with that came this total tone shift
where every team that I was talking to, and I'm
guessing here the same Boaty and GM's were saying when
they were calling outside of like just kind of the
you know, the bottom of the roster guys, the answer
on all these marquee players with the Dolphins was we're
just we're not interested in doing that. Well, all of
a sudden now at two and seven, and with Champ
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Kelly taking over as the interim general manager, it became
with of course ownerships blessing, we're open to talking about
anybody on the roster. Teams are really aggressive about the
pass rushers. And they got one of those deals done
on Sunday night with Jalen Phillips.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Yeah, Jalen Phillips goes from the Dolphins to the Eagles.
Dolphins pay the bulk of his salary, which helps the
Eagles give a better pick. It ends up being a
three instead of probably being a four, which is a
pretty high price. And so like that of all the
things that happen here, Like that price stands out to
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me because I sort of wonder, like, you know, like
if you're the Dolphins and you're trying to trade Bradley Chubb,
which I think there's a realistic chance he gets traded,
you got to get at least to four now, right,
I mean he's a little older but similarly productive. You
got to get at least to four. And if you're
the Bengals and you're trying to you know you're open
to trading Tree Hendrickson when it seems they're at least
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sort of open to it, you got to get like
a two or a three and a good player.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Like the price because.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
The Eagles were willing to do it, it felt like
to me, at least you could disagree, but it felt
like the price went up. But yeah, I think for
the Eagles, you know, they've they've taken some flyers on
some talented players who haven't really performed. I mean, Jalen
Phillips is, a first round pick, has not really performed
this year, got a couple of sacks.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Two season ending injuries in prior years to a bit
of an acl and an achilles, which is gonna be
rough things. But is you know, physical talent wise, he's
there and a third round pick. I mean you're not, Hey,
there's no draft this time of year. B You're probably
not finding a guy that physically talented in the third round.
You're just hoping, like Eagles have sometimes in the past,
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take a guy who medically might not be completely perfect
and know that you've got a plan to get him
on the field each week, and also have a plan
for your defensive coordinator, Vic Fangio, who knows Jalen Phillips
really well.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Yeah, kind of reminds me of Josh Sweat. Josh Wet
was a guy.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
That's exactly who I was thinking of. Everybody teams flunked
him on his physical The Eagles took him in the
second round despite a bad knee, and he played really
really well for them until he got a free agent deal.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
With the car Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
And it's funny, same page. Yeah, I mean that's I
would assume they have a plan. I would assume Vic.
You know, Vic Fangio has been pushing for this. I
don't know if you know this, but Vic Fangio is
very particular about what he likes and doesn't like. Likes
this one, so you sort of knew, and Cam Wolf
our buddy, foreshadowed this on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
You sort of knew this was ball Street.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
He was on it.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
He was on it. So yeah, so Eagles make it,
and it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
You know they've added Gyro Alexander we'll see he hasn't
played a lot, but has talent. Brandon Graham comes back
probably they're on a buye this week, right, so probably
after the bye which is this coming week, he'll probably play.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
And you know they've added Michael Carter the second certainly talented,
and Phillips. We'll see what the Eagles get, but pretty active,
no doubt.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I'll start about a couple of the games. By the way,
we got a trade deadline special Tuesday. The deadline is
at four pm Eastern time. We were doing a special
show of The Insiders live on NFL Network and NFL
Plus in addition to our normal seven pm Eastern show tomorrow,
So all Insiders, all the newes starting out bright and
early on Good Morning Football, me Ian and Mike will
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be there. But Trade deadline special, all the deals as
they hit four pm Eastern time tomorrow. Will the Seahawks
be potentially in the mix. They're the ones who took
it to Washington last night, put the Commanders in this spot.
And Ian I had a general manager for a different
team while I was talking with earlier today who said
to me, I think the Seahawks are the best team
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in football, and honestly as wild as that is to
say from this offseason when there were plenty of questions
nationally about is this team in a rebuild? They traded Gino,
they traded DK Metcalf, what's the plan? You look at
them and right now, like that team, this Seahawks team
reminds me of twenty thirteen, except that they're throwing the
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ball way better and more effectively and more often than
that team did that had the legion of boom and
had marsh On lynching at Russell Wilson. It's just this
very physical, young, aggressive type of attack. Can't say enough
about what John Schneider and Mike McDonald have done out
there to put themselves in this position where not only
are they in it in the NFC West, we could
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be talking about the Seahawks down the line as being
in contention for the number one seed.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I don't know why not. I mean, what they did
last night like look a bad day for the Commanders today,
but nobody thought they were bad heading into yesterday. I
thought that was gonna be a good game. It was
not a good game. It is unbelievable what Seattle has done.
Like they moved on from a quarterback who is their
franchise guy. I mean, obviously Russell Wilson was diminished by
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that point, but they moved on for franchise quarterback and
they went from bridge quarterback to I don't think Sam
Donald's a bridge quarterback now, but I think a lot
of people probably thought he was. And they've done it
while making the playoffs consistently being good.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
They've used the picks in the.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Russell Wilson trade for to have franchise cornerstones, and they're
better than they ever have been. And they took a
quarterback in Sam Donald that had certainly showed flashes with
the Vikings. I think there was a lot to like there,
but many people around the league doubted what the ceiling
would be. I mean, the Raiders, did you know they
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they probably could have had him. I know the Vikings
went all in on JJ McCarthy in a way that
I definitely understand, but they probably could have had Donald back,
and the Seahawks said, this is our guy. We're gonna
for the same price, upgrade over Gino and get younger,
And that decision, among all their other decisions, stands out.
It is We're not there yet, but I like, can't
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be more impressed with how on the fly they've taken
a situation that most franchises would be like step back,
step back, step back, small step forward, like they're the
same and now better and it's crazy. So yeah, I
think the Seahawks could be really.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Good NFC playoff picture at the top, extremely crowded and clouded.
AFC thirty seconds lession. Are we back to believe in
the Bills now? Or the team to beat.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Bills are Patriots? They Patriots won last time. I mean,
the Patriots look.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Bad yesterday seven seven, last another night, but I very.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
If you're the Bills, very very good to see that
on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Night or from the insiders. After this, let's welcome our
friends Steve Whites to the conversation. Now, Steve, we've seen
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some wild and wacky games across the NFL this season.
I don't know Xaguary ranks on the list, but the
Bears Bengals shootout has to be somewhere. I'd say, even
conservatively in the top.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Five, tom it might be the top one.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
You know, I didn't think anything crazier than the Denver
Giants finish, but this was just absolutely insane because of
what happened in the final two minutes. I mean, Cincinnati
comes down and scores with two minutes left to have
a successful on side kick, which we never see. They
go back down and score first this year exactly. Then
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they go back down and score again to take the
lead at forty two to forty one with less than
a minute left.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
And then this Swiss cheese defense, which.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Looked good on first and second down, allows Caleb Williams
to scramble for fourteen yards on a third and ten.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
They're playing for the field goal.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
Chicago's playing for the field goal because he throws it
to the middle of the field to Colston Loveland with
no timeouts.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
You've got no timeouts left, completed, Clocket kick the field goal.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Well, one safety who's there, knocks the other safety off
the tackle. Loveland goes into the end zone and next
thing you know, you got Jamar Chase and Brown basically
telling their defense in the locker room, make a freaking play.
We're over. So now that's where the Bengals are. And
I'm watching this game saying, if the Bengals had even
a smidgeon of defense as crazy as the AFC.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
North is, they would be in it.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
You got Joe Flacco thrown for almost five hundred yards,
Jamar Chase T Higgins. These guys are doing fantastic and
they blow a game like that when again, Chicago was
giving it to them, and so it was absolutely insane.
Good on the Bears not to give up and to
understand who they were playing, because the Bears are still
in it.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
But they didn't look great by any means either.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
I mean, I think they gave up almost five hundred
yards to total offense to Cincinnati.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
So incredible finish.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
But I just feel bad for so many folks with
the Bengals because again, if they had even a JV defense,
they would be in the AFC North playoff line.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Yeah, you know what this kind of makes me think.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
So last year I remember being you know, you always
sort of prepare for when changes happened, you know, last
week week after the regular season all that, and like
I knew there was a chance that the Bengals would
move on from someone, and then when it turned out
to be lou An Rumo, I was kind of like, huh, interesting,
Like I understood why he was sort of the guy,
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but also was like, he's really good. So if you're
going to do that, you got to know that you
have someone as good. It's just a change or better.
And you know, they were really excited about Al Golden.
It has not worked out as of now, and that
is proving to be one of the worst moves of
the entire offseason. Tom, Like, you take a guy who
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has you know, been an indie this year and done it,
you know, helped turn that work out. Yeah, I mean
that's just you know, I really wonder how good this
team would be if it's still at.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
An Rumo as its defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I think there's a couple pieces to this one. From
everybody's perspective. It was probably time Lou I think was
probably in a place where it might be better for
him to go someplace else where he had a talent
deficit there for so long, and to get to Indianapolis
where it's just kind of a fresh start. He's always
been one of the best defensive coordinators in the league.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
But what you're.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Seeing, I think more than anything, is this is a
roster that just is lacking in a lot of different
areas now, and certainly criticism of everybody when you're giving
up like historic levels of points and yards the worst
by far in the NFL. Everybody, nobody's immune to criticism.
But it's not as if Al Golden and the staff
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now are telling guys, hey don't tackle, hey don't play physical,
and you watched that game yesterday and it is terrible,
terrible what's happening on the field. Trey Hendricks has been
out the past couple of games. You know, that does
not help either, And certainly that's another name we'll be
watching as we come up potentially on the trade deadline.
Shamar Stewart has just been banged up. He's a really,
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really talented guy, but how much of the season is
he even been healthy for to be able to make
an impact. They've got some guys like DJ Turner who
have actually played well within the mess, but there's just
you know, you bench Peyton Wilson's your defensive captain to
play a rookie, and that doesn't seem to be working.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Out.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Wilson wants out like there's just there's so many different
things happening right here. It'll be interesting to see how
Cincinnati navigates this thing as we move forward. There's not
a lot of teams, Steve, that that can score this
many points and lose this many games.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
And it quickly.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
Guys, First off, three three defensive players have asked out right,
Three have asked out to me. That doesn't tell me
you got a problem with your teammates. That tells me
you got a problem with something or somebody in the organization.
But also you just look at this and Tom, you
nailed it. Just years of missing on defensive talent, you
know it. Just I don't know what they're gonna do.
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But I mean you just see offensively, they Joe Flacco
comes in and change everything offensively, So that's one player,
but defensively they might be eight or nine guys away
from fixing. And again, coaching, we can blame it all.
I saw mistackles, I saw a lack of effort. I
just to me, it's player execution and player want to
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more than anything like that last touchdown was just a
mess in terms of they look tired.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Players want to step up and make a play.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Also credit to Ben Johnson for anybody who was wondering,
you know about the leadership traits. He's just the guy
in the dark room drawing up plays. Watch any Ben
Johnson post game speech right now and you are gonna
be fired up. I mean, Caleb Williams, how many different
people over the last year talked about how the Bears
blew it and took the wrong quarterback and that's not
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a slight at all. Jade Daniels as unbelievable as a rookie.
But Kim Williams is playing like a dude. Ben Johnson's
making use of everything. Kleb Williams is catching touchdowns. He's
done a phenomenal job. So it's almost two hundred yards. Yes,
Mike Rabil also first year out. I mean, benjen is
going to be a Coach of the Year candidate as
it's going down right now. Mike Rabel is probably the
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guy to beat seven and two at this stage. After
holding on to beat the Falcons yesterday, Steve just I
keep going back to it. I was their week one
in Foxborough. They didn't look good, so they were zero
to one, losing to the Raiders, which have barely played
a good game since. There's seven and one since that game,
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and it just seems like from Drake May on down,
they get better every week.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
First off, Tom Shane Steiken would like a word, but
I love the look the Patriots defense.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
You can't run on them, right, So Atlanta found that
out pretty early.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
So they're throwing the ball all over the place. But
Drake May, who.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
Got sacked what five or six times yesterday, he still
stood up and made plays when he had to.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
They that was a game that they survived.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
That is the proper technique, cause if Atlanta doesn't miss
a pat they could be losing that game. You know,
in overtime, we don't know. So this is where the Patriots,
when you look at their schedule coming up, like they
have a late buy, they still have to get by
four more games they've bet at Tampa Bay Giants Sincy
I'm sorry, Jets since and then Giants before the bye.
(24:12):
So now this is a survival game. You got to
get through these four games before you get to the
buy and refresh, because then you come out with bills
of Baltimore. So we're really going to see the metal.
Everyone talks about the strength of schedule being easy for
the Patriots, but that late bye is taxing or could.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Be a great thing if you're about to make a
deep playoff run, because listen, I'm not saying it's any
given Sunday, but Jets, Bengals and Giants, if you're just
playing the percentage this year, we might be talking about
a ten to two Patriots at the by sitting there
as the number one seed e and with time to go,
with those tough games still coming up down the stretch.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
You know, and this really this we talked about the
Commanders earlier in the show. This feels like really the
Commanders last year, you know, because it's like they got
a quarterback. You know, quarterback can really obviously elevate them.
And it felt like like last year with the Commanders
and Mike Frabel too, It's like you get some core
a little bit better, you get like the middle thirty
(25:09):
guys to be a little bit tougher and a little
bit better, and special teams are better, and it kind
of just elevates everything. All of a sudden, you're winning
close games and you're good. Mike Frabel has been absolutely
the perfect tire for the Patriot Drake May.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Has been really good.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yesterday was okay, but has been really really good. This
looks like a team, you know, really on the rise.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
And I don't even know that their personnel is kind
of where they want it anyway. I mean, they got
a Stefon Diggs is good, but they got a bunch
of number two and three receivers. I mean they just
offensive lines, okay, I mean they're not where they want
to be. Still a really good team. Definitely a team
to look out for this year and moving forward.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
And by the way, that Falcons team that was a
missed extra point some other bounces away yesterday of beating
the Patriots. They're on an NFL network playing the Colts
in Berlin, the first Berlin game of all time for
the NFL. Next Sunday, nine thirty am Eastern kickoff our show,
Ian and I will be on at seven am Eastern.
That's an early wake up call, and we know that
(26:08):
you will all be there as well. All right, for
those of you watching on the Fast channel, the NFL
channel on Fast drimming platforms, stick around. There's more. There's
a two part podcast, so if you're on the podcast,
just go over and find part two. More with Steve
Bridgakona is going to join us there as well. For
you in rapport, I'm Tom Hilla Cyril. See there
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