June 7, 2016 • 49 mins
Nate Burleson is joined by Rand Getlin as the guys pay tribute to Muhammad Ali (4:50) and discuss Aqib Talib's situation and the dangers of night life (16:30). Plus, who's the best wide receiver in the NFL (40:50) and why Steph Curry might be in trouble (45:40).
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I had him borne in eighth I was getting ready
to take him in the eighth at you could see,
but the man nothing key from making me look so great.
I'm the king of the world. You're not that pretty
bad man up the world, the world, the world. Yeah,
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oh no, no, yeah, well I had a long day. Now,
I really trying to go out, trying to go out
by my lady. Got a dressed out for a man
on the town. But that ain't going down. See now, baby,
I got some stats for you and all some real
players super spiss some fast for you. Seat you at
this game go down. As they analyzed the winners, they
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Tune into the ARV show the tune all season long. Yes, yeah,
like my man Mike Rob would say, that never gets old.
Shout out to Shy Infinite, Welcome to the show. I
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am named Burlison MICUs out in Seattle doing what he does.
But we have to keep the R and R and B.
So we got the realist NFL insider in the game.
My man Ram getting what's up? Baby? You're good? Life
is good. Hey, I appreciate you joining me, appreciate you
having me. You know, this is always my favorite show
to join at the network, the most fun get to
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talk about the realist topics. So we're gonna talk today
Today's good show. I like it all right. So this
is the R and B Podcast. This is like your
favorite podcast that floats like a butterfly, steams like a b.
Shout out to the greatest of all time, rest in Paradise,
Mohammed uh Lee. Straight up, let's get this popping man
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coming up on today's show. We pay our respects to
Muhammad Ali. Instead of the usual beats that my man
t D draws up, we're gonna drop some of the
quote is from the best poet slash athlete, uh slash
what else would you? Revolutionary man that transcended boxing. So
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he is uh He's a guy that we're gonna pay
how much to throughout the show with sound bites throughout
his career. Um the latest news. We're gonna talk key
to Leap and uh Mini camps. We're gonna obviously stick
with our new segment depth chart debates, and we'll discuss
why receivers we have our or no all segment that
TV came with that I love. So we're gonna talk
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about that and we got some good stuff. We're gonna
talk Steph Curry. But you know it's it got a
twist on it, so please stay tuned to it's gonna
be entertaining. Um. Speaking of t D, t D. Tell
the people, what's up? Man, what's going on? People? What's
going on? Rand appreciate you joining us. What's something? As
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I always say, what you need to do, especially this week.
And a lot of Muhammad Ali content is out there,
great content. The man, by the way, the man took
the best photos on any athletes that would do it.
It's insane. His his photo collection is crazy. Please check out.
No one does Ali like Ali, but the actor Billy Crystal,
the legend reactor Billy Crystal, who does a really good job.
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And what he what's called fifteen rounds Billy Crystal? Google
search fifteen rounds? Billy Crystal. Wouldn't just watch him. It's
more or less performing Muhammad Ali for Muhammad Ali at
his retirement. And I believe there's less than a handful
about four people that are gonna speak at his service,
and Billy Crystal is one of the fantastic one of
the eulogies. I guess he Muhammad Ali agreed to certain
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people speaking for him at his funeral and then certain
people carrying the casket. Side note, Will smith is gonna
be one of the men carrying the casket. How about that? Crazy?
How it's crazy? Mohammad Ali said, Smith, I want you
to carry me to my grand And obviously people remember it.
Will Smiths played Muhammad Ali. Yeah in the in the movie.
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So um, definitely please check that out. And oh so,
please subscribe to the show. Give us a five star review,
write a review. It's really really important for not just
not really for us, for the you know, the higher ups,
the suits out here. So we can do more R
and B type content. I know, I know people want it.
People reach out like, hey, this is so real, this
really relates to me. If you want more of this,
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we can do more with it. Support block, prayer hand
emojis on that one man. Like like I said last
week's shout out to Jail and Jacoby. I mean it's
a big inspiration what they do, something that people can
watch late night, two guys talking on TV, real topics
that really are bigger than just the typical sports talking.
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We got this, so I would ask for a beat
at this moment. But let me get a little oddly,
and I said, Joe's gonna come out smoking and I
ain't gonna be joking. I'll be pecking and a poking
one watching only smoking. And then this my shocking the major.
But I will destroy Joe Frasier, Man, how about that? Listen.
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So and in my own little head, uh, I'm very
aware of who I am and what I was able
to do with what I was blessed with. So I
don't have this inflated view of who I am. I'm
just a guy with average talents over exceeded at moments.
I made some good money in this league. Um, I'm
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not Calvin Johnson. I'm not you know, Odell Beckham, Antonio Brown.
But I did okay in this league. But when I
approached my job as an athlete, as a football player,
as a brand, as an artist, as a guy who
can rap um, all these things were pieces of a
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blueprint from Ali. Now there are certain guys that can
come on the show. We had T on the show,
and you know I I sat there and I told him,
man that there was parts of you know, me celebrating
that I took from you. Period. I saw you do it,
and I knew how it helped you as an athlete,
right as this this this thing that people wanted to
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invest in. Um, but Ali, when I talk about blueprints
that I take and my father's on the list obviously
in different athletes that I can remember over time, Ali
has the biggest impact on my career because when I
was young and I was a kid, and I was
popping in VHS tapes and my pops sitting me down
and explaining who this guy was. Um, I saw this
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black man talking about how black and proud he was.
I saw this black man telling people how good he
was and then going out and improving it, improving it.
And then I saw this black man rymey. So like
if anybody knows me, obviously this show is it's pop culture,
sports hip hop. We do everything. I sit there and
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I spent my little bars and I I've done some
songs in the past, and I record things. What people
don't know is Muhammad Ali had the biggest influence on
my career and who I am and how I've kind
of etched out. When Nate Brolison is there was no
boundaries to him. So for me, I said, all right, yeah,
I can go out here and be the best why receiver.
I can be within this timeframe. I can also build
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my brand. I can also wrap. I can do whatever
I want. Ali did whatever he wanted to. And when
you look at all the athletes, I said this, Yester
down t A. You look at all your favorite athletes
are You're polarizing athletes, Floyd Mayweather, Richard Sherman, even Michael
Jordan Lebron, James cam Newton, whoever it is that you
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look at and you can appreciate for what they do
on the field, how much money they make, what they
do on the court, what they do in the ring,
whatever it is. They all have pooled these pieces from
Ali's career. Richard Sherman, he went out there and he
talked crazy, crazy, and it was it was a love
hay relationship. Some people that some people hated him, but
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guess what, he would not improved how good he was.
And then he got paid, which is for me, Ali ESQ.
You either loved him or you hated him, But what
everybody did is they tuned in hate him. One of
the highest paid athletes of all time. If that ain't Ali,
then I don't know what is. Yeah, you look love him,
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hate him, but you gotta respect him. And you know,
with Muhammad Ali, what's really interesting is I think what happens,
especially with social media these days, you look at the
outpouring of support for Ali, and very few of the
individuals who you see waxing poetic about how amazing he
was had the depth of knowledge of who he was
that you do because you look to him as a
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role model, some a vision of what could be uh
and it actually did shape your life. But a lot
of these folks don't have many historical understanding who Ali was.
And I'm one of those people who, because I didn't
live through those times, I couldn't fully grasp what Ali
meant to society at that moment in time. And I
think it's very hard for anybody that didn't live through
that period to get it. But one guy who did
live through it was my my adoptive father. My adoptive
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father is a white man from the Midwest. He grew
up in Florisan in uh In uh In, Missouri, uh
where they had a lot of the racial unrest of
the issues there. UH. He then went on to wrestle
at Wisconsin. Yeah, and he went on to wrestle with Wisconsin.
He said, Look, Uh, when Ali came into my consciousness
was around sixty three. I was a senior in high school.
And man, did I hate that guy, Like he was
so brash and we've never seen anything I believe, so
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I believe right. And my dad is pretty good with
this kind of stuff. He's kind of a Storian. So anyway,
the point is he went through this story and it
was really incredible. Uh, he tells incredible stories, but most
of these days he wants to know what's one on
in my life. I asked him, tell me a little
bit of Ali, and for thirty five minutes, man, he
went on the entire arc of Ali's career and how
from the beginning of that career he was someone that
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my dad just could not resonate with. My dad is
very conservative. He doesn't like people that uh tooth their
own horn, you know, right, he is against all of that.
But he also was a man who had never been
exposed to African American culture and inter city culture, country
culture like any of those things. He only knew what
he knew, right, He said, over the arc of Ali's career.
By the end of it, he absolutely adored the man
for everything that he meant to society and a social sense.
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Here was a guy who not only was willing to
speak up on issues that mattered to people, really really
mattered civil rights issues. Mind you, if it's sixty three,
the Civil Rights Act pass wasn't passing until sixty four.
So in reality, under the law, these people, these folks
that were speaking out against these things of black panthers,
whoever it would make maybe uh, John Carlos, all those guys,
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they're fighting for something that's real, intangible. It's just you
had disagreements about methods, right and now those for my
dad to take a step back and say, he was
the most incredible athlete from a social and athletics standpoint
that I've ever seen in my life at seventy two
years old, as a guy who uh competed at very
high level and wrestling and other sports. That meant something
to me. And I think that that will be the
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last thing mark that Ali left on our society that
will stick with me, was that he was a man who,
aside from his incredible athletic exploits, really affected society and
he pushed social change forward, and that's something that I
think you have to revere. You said it best, not
just athletically, but outside of the sports. Tod what you got, Man, Listen,
both of you guys and your dad's both came up,
and the same is true for me. I'm obviously a
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lot younger than you guys, and growing up, I didn't
have the best relationships with my father. But remember alive.
There's last few days reminded me with memories of my dad.
I didn't even know I had so because I just
remember him and he would he would try to mimic
all these movements kind of like you know, especially telling
me I'm a young gun and I missed out and
seeing Ali and his prime and you know, just kind
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of right, Jeb. A couple of jobs here and there,
and it's almost funny, like it seems that's a lot
of young guys. There's that relationship your dad telling you
Muhammad Ali and those Now, like I said, I even
know I had those memories, and now those are memories
I will never forget because of mommat Ali. So I
wrote a little post about that and I just thank
you to Mom, and I a leave for that, because,
like I said, I don't have a ton of memories
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of my dad growing up, so that's really definitely one
of them. But overall to what I already liked the
mah Mhammad Ali, what really stood out was kind of
like how Pro Bowls. So you see there's a Pro Bowls,
NBA All Star Games, or Team USA Basketball. When the
cream of the crop, from the top of the top
all come together, you see which quarterback gets to start,
which quarterback is the main guy of the top quarterbacks?
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Paygin's out there, Rogers your Brady's. You're trying to see
who rises to the top. Saint hoops and point guards,
Chris Paul's your your Westbrooks. You're trying to see who's
that guy who's gonna lead everyone, obviously Steph Curry. Muhammad
Ali was that before all black entertainers. He was the
guy when everyone came together, Like Drake said, they want
to be like us and we want to be like them.
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Muhammad Ali didn't want to be like anybody else. Everybody
wanted to be like Muhammad Ali. Everybody he was. He
was the standard man. Yeah. Yeah, to think about it,
when when we talk about NBA, which I'm a huge
NBA fan, and obviously TD is too. You gotta check
out TV's podcast, Make It, Take It the podcast, check podcast,
This Dope podcast. But when we talk about the best
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players of all time, we always stack them up against Jordan's.
It's just what we do because Jordan was the greatest.
When you talk about boxing, you talked about Floyd may
Whether being undefeated at fort nine and O is he
as good as Ali? When we talk about how great
Tyson was just the absolute dog in the ring, we say, hey,
you think Ali could beat uh Tyson or Tyson standard?
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He is the standard. He is that. And you know,
we were talking about this on t A yesterday, and
you know with TV we only have a certain amount
of time, so I couldn't really get into really what
I wanted to say, But I'm glad I had my
podcast to say this little tidbit along with his athletic achievements,
along with um, him being the standard, along with him
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breaking down these barriers, like you said, right, Um, one
thing I can appreciate about Ali which people didn't do
now and they don't necessarily We didn't do then, but
they don't necessarily do now, is that he never hid
from his flaws or issues or his down times, and
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there were plenty. If you know Ali's story, he had
moments where he was broke, He had moments where he
was embarrassed, He had moments where he was battling mainstream
ideology and what he believed in, moments where physically he
had ailments. Um. What comes to mind is him holding
the torch of the Olympics and him shaking. Um. He
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didn't hide from any of that. Nowadays, when athletes, celebrities,
people in general have flaws, they hide because we don't
want the world to judge us, We don't want the
world to see us. Ali never did that. I mean,
he was very open and if you really think about that,
that is one of the most inspiring things about Ali,
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because you know, we're prideful men and women and were
we always feel judged, so we always feel the need
to show everybody the best part of us. Right, Ali
showed us the best part. He showed us the worst
part of him, which made us love him, which made
us become extremely familiar with him, and and that that
was motivating. I was thinking about that over the last
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twenty four hours because I wanted to say it on TV,
and then I thought, well, how about you just don't
say and they didn't live it, because you know, if
there's something about you that people might not understand, don't
hide it, just explain it and own it everything. I
couldn't agree with that more. And and that's the thing,
you know, the one lesson I've learned in my short
time in the journalism space or the reporting spaces, the
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best thing you can be is authentic, right. And Mars
Shawn len said something about it today Uh in an
article was released as sixty Minutes Interviews Experts excerpts released,
and he basically said the same thing, like, why would
you want to be anything else? If you tell one lie,
you gotta tell another line of steam rolls before you're
caught up behind the whole pile of lies. Ali was
himself from the moment that we he came into our
consciousness and tell the moment that he left this earth.
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And one of the beautiful things about Ali uh and
guys like him, and there haven't been many, but eyes
like him are. Uh. The beauty in his passing is
overwhelming because his legacy is rehashed people from generations that
missed him, like your pop said, go back and study him,
and he inspires a whole new generation of folks who
were gonna go out there and push the boundaries forward.
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And to me, uh, that is the mark of a
man who lived a fantastic, fantastic life. You're right about
that man, all right, So let's let's move it on
and shout out the moment. Ali rest in peace. Um
latest NFL news key to lead. He suffered minor guns
shot to the leg. Uh. This was in Dallas at
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a club around two am. I just saw a video
yesterday on TMZ where there was one guy recording and
he had a Southern draw, so obviously he was like, man,
it's about to pop off or something. And then you see,
like in the distance, you see a group of men
just kind of doing a little talk and shoving. I
don't want to make light of this, because you know,
you don't make light of anybody getting shot. And then
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you hear four shots, right, and I'm like, whoa, it's
just got real. He the guy holding the camera, he ducks.
He I think he's in his car. And that's where
we are left. So Rand, you being our main man
when it comes to the inside of what's going on.
What have you heard on the latest in this incident? Yeah,
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I mean so I have not. This is an interesting scenario,
you know, when it comes to gun violence or gun
mishaps or whatever the case may be. You know, it's
a scary element of society. And it's not just with
football players. But and this is something that I'm sure
that you're quite familiar with. Like, there are elements though
of the life that people in the public UH sphere
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lead that your average lay person wouldn't understand. Why does
a guy feel the need to have a gun on
him in the first place? These are questions to get
asked consistently, right, and my answer is always, well, you
never know what another man's going through, so I try
not to judge. If it's legal in society, Uh, then
you know, allow folks to make their own decisions and
for better for worse, you know. That's uh, that's how
I think we should allow. You know, the majority of
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society living in the number realms, I haven't heard anything
that would lead me to believe that the situation with
uh tve is something that he U provoked provoked, would
necessarily get in trouble. That being said, we don't really
have full information right there problems with some inconsistent statements.
From what I've been able to read what he told
the UH cops. The statement that he gave in the
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hospital was that he didn't remember, uh, you know, what
had occurred. That maybe he was a little bit too
intoxicated to remember what occurred. But the reality is, uh
that is that is that is that an assumption or
is that are is that I saw it reported that
he was, that he had no no, no, that he
had made that comment to the authorities, or or I
don't is is that also the G code for anybody listening,
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the G code of the street code is you know,
let's just keep it real. This is what we do TV.
I'm sorry, but you don't snitch, right, And I know
people listening they're like, oh, that's corny. People don't snits.
But when you're familiar the streets, I'm not saying from
the streets, you don't snitch in any circumstance, even if
you are victim. So I was just saying it could
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be one of the It could be that he didn't remember.
It could be that he literally has no idea. He
could be that he was drinking it could also be
he's like, you know what, I'm not gonna snitch on
anybody because I don't want to put anybody in the
situation that could put them in jail. If the shooting
was accidental, it could have been any number of things.
I mean, within the realm of possibilities. Could also be
he actually did not remember right at the moment of time,
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and he became familiar with what occurred through folks telling
him or whatever. We don't know. All that we know
is here was a situation that could have gotten a
lot scarier than it did. Thankfully, it was a superficial wound.
Sounds like he's gonna be back in time to play
for the season at this juncture, and from a from
a punishment standpoint, that's first thing that pops into mind.
Right Especially Tyler has had some some incidents in the
past where he's had some close calls. Um, we don't
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have any information as yet they would indicate that he's
going to face any kind of sanction for this, But
I think that's the thing to keep an eye on,
right is what is uncovered in the investigation. Right now,
the NFL is actively looking at the situation. I don't
think it's been framed as an investigation, but certainly anytime
one of their their players, especially when it's prominent in
him as him, suffers from a gunshot wound of any kind,
they want to know how it happened, right, So you
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know this. On our podcast, we don't call out anybody.
That's not what we do. But when I hear something,
I have to address it. So I was listening to
another network that I won't necessarily promote, but obviously with
the name, I'll say, you can figure it out. So
Skip Bayless was like, well, you know he's in his
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thirties and he's at the club. I don't understand. You're
at the prime of your career. Why don't you wait
to go to the club when you're done playing. You
know you got money and you got this, and you
shouldn't be in the club. Skip, let me say this time. Um,
it doesn't matter if you're wide or black. It doesn't
matter if you have money or not. It doesn't matter
if you're in the league or you work at Burger King.
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If you want to go out and enjoy yourself, whether
you're with your boys or whether you're with your wife,
whether you're with your girlfriend, you should be able to
do that. The issue isn't why is he in the club?
The issue, like Rand said, is why do we have
gun violence at two in the morning where people are
trying to enjoy, you know, good drinks and music with
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the people that they love. So that's that's why I
had to get that off my chest, because you know,
you have this platform and say, well, these guys shouldn't
be in a club. Now, it's not the case, because
if you go to Vegas and celebrate something, you're gonna
be in the club. Like if if you're celebrating the life,
which most of these young men who have accomplished more
than they ever dreamed, do that more often than everybody does. Well,
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this speaks to like, and this is a conversation. We
can have an entire you know, podcast on but these
are and we've talked about this a lot. It's cultural ignorance, right,
and I'm not talking about cultural from an ethnic standpoint.
It's not just black folks to go to the club
thirty three, Right. You can definitely catch me out in
the city if you get into spots on Matt hashtag
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l a night. But there's a reason for that, and
that's because I want to be in places that are safe,
that are classy, right, where we can also have a
hell of a time and we do right. And hey man,
i've seen you fresh with the fresh deeds on out fly.
All right, So let well, we'll take a little bit
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of time because any time I can tell a story,
I like tell a story. TD likes me to tell
a story. So we'll take this moment right now to
do a hashtag camp fire football. Will we all gather
around the campfire, kids, Nate is going to tell you
a story that relates to this latest news about a
key to leave getting shot. So a few years ago,
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UM in Michigan playing for the Detroit Lions, and I'm
with a group of guys that will remain nameless. I'm
out at a location. I'm out of the location that
will remain nameless. So I'm with guys that I play with,
and I'm also with guys that are from Detroit, right not.
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I don't roll around with a group of guys that
are paid to be my security. These is just my
homeboys from the city. Now, my homeboys from the city
of Detroit. These are real dudes, like these are guys
that might not necessarily have a job. These are guys
that they might be rappers, they might do this, do that,
but these are good men. So we're out chilling having
a good time. A young player who just signed to
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the team, a little bit intoxicated, lightweight, full of himself,
starts acting up and he's being disrespectful to the people
that are at the location, people that are servicing us,
the waiters, And I'm trying to be the big brother,
which are always them, So I'm trying to come down like, yo, chill,
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get some water, let's relax. He walks up to one
of my guys and he grabs his chain and swings
it around his neck like in the Usher video. He
swings kind of like like that man like that. I
gotta jump in. Back in the day, I had to.
I had a chain with a sen with my last
name is St. Matthew Daniels, had a chain with it
that I used to spin around back in the day
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that you've got a bad days. I need that picture
because I know that somewhere. Um so he doesn't. So
my man comes up to me like yo, Nate, um,
your your boy is tripping. So I'm like who I'm like,
y know, who's like one of your guys tripping. He's
dispecting everybody in here, and he's also taking a step further.
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And he walked to me, grab my chain swinging around
my neck, made a comment and walked off, and I'm like, Yo,
this isn't a good thing, so I will never forget this.
He said, you guys should get out of here, because
if he does that to somebody that doesn't know who
you guys are, it could end real bad. I he said,
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I had to pull my guy off of him because
he wanted to harm of course, your teammate. And then
he stopped. He paused, after I was already figuring the
situation out, kind of getting everybody to the exits, he
grabbed me. Said it sounds really intense, but it was.
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At the moment he said, the difference between my shooters
and the police is they don't have to report to anybody.
So if your man is being extremely disrespectful, he can
easily be shot out here in Michigan, right, And I'm like, WHOA, Right,
it's time to go. So I rallied all the troops
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and obviously my man wasn't gonna let any shooting go off,
but he was basically saying like, you should really be
careful with the company you keep, because say he takes
his step further, gets in a fight, shots bust off,
and all of a sudden, I'm there. News comes out
the Burlison shot at midnight. The assumption is it was
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in a place was supposed to be and he was
doing something was supposed's doing. It could be that I
was at a restaurant and one of my teammates was
acting up in somebody that doesn't care about the value
of life started shooting right. So um, that was one
of those kind of like wow moments. And I love Michigan.
I love it to death and I still do. That
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moment didn't scare me at all, But it also it
allowed me to realize that it doesn't matter where you
are or what you're doing, you can always be touched
in a situation that might not be your own doing. Yeah. Well,
d J. Quick had a song back in the day,
uh where the notion was, you know, it doesn't matter
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where you go. He went on the road. He grew
up in Compton, He went on the road and he
was like, Yo, Denver's just like Compton. Right, Different places
around Albuquerque can be just like Compton. It just depends
if you find that element right. And so we deal
with us all the time. You know, I've got friends
who work on the basketball side, on the marketing capacity,
and those guys a lot of basketball players like to
go to the spots where you know, bad things may occur.
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And I'll get invites, Hey, you want to go to
this whatever day thing with me or whatever, And my
answer is always like no, thank you know, I'm good
because it's not that you can't have a great time.
You can. It's that the risk to me, the potential
risk far outweighs the reward of the good time you
can have, especially when you can go to a spot.
For instance, when I go out in the city, I'll
go to Hide on Sunset a lot. Why it's extremely exclusive.
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I know folks up there very well. Uh, they know
how to ensure that you've got, you know, all of
the safety measures that you need, the right kind of
crowds where you don't have to deal with any nonsense
in that regard. And that's not the only spot, but
it is a place that I've been, you know, a
number of times without incident. If you go to a
place too three times, or into a certain type of
area around a certain type of element, and there's problems
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that are potentially life threatening, and any kind of gun
violence is those are places that I think for Talib
or any other human being, like, you really got to
work hard to avoid those situations just because you've got
so much at stake, not just your money, your life right,
and you just don't want to be around and stuff.
So I think I hope for him, you know, this
was one of those things where thankfully it's not a
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serious injury, but he does get to the point where
we don't have another conversation about Tyler in the wrong
place at the wrong time exactly. Man, it's crazy. Man.
I'll tell the quick story before we move on because
I want to hear. But I was going in the league.
I remember being out in Michigan a separate time and
this guy walked up to me. He's like, yo, nigh,
what's up. How are you doing. I'm like, I'm good, man,
chilling man. I was at a club, me and my teammates.
He was like, let me know if you need anything.
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I'm like, no, I'm good. He's like, you know, people
be tripping out here. We got you covered. I said, man,
I'm not really confrontational. I'm good. He was like, no, no,
I'm just saying if anything pops off, we got you
them Like we like, what are you talking about? He's
like me and my man's we're good. They say you
can't get guns in here, but we're good. He looks over.
There's a dude by the door. He's not security, he
doesn't work there. He nods to him. The guy nods back,
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looks up the shirt, got the burner arm, he got
a gun on him, and he's just basically saying, like,
I'm your hood security. He pops off, I got shooters
in there, right. So I was like, yo, respect, I
appreciate that. Walked to my crew and said, this is
in a place you make that decision. So, um, you
know you always got like you said, you have to
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digest the information that you received in a certain situation
and then make your decision based off that. So, like
we said, we hope that the key is all right
and that we all learned from this. Um, but gun
violence is stupid, all right, Ran, Let's talk about the NFL,
any insides, any potential new deals, anything you've heard, I mean,
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Ran is one of the realists, like, can't we just
can we just all acknowledge the fact that he gave
us a breaking news on rock Oswilt like that kind
of shook up the world, like Muhammad Ali I shook
up the world. And I remember seeing Ran, and Ran
was so swaggy that day. I said, oh my god,
look at my guy. Everybody was light wait hayting like
(29:58):
they was breaking and I'm like, yo, my man, it
is doing it and you know me and it Ran
we talk off camera off Mike and I don't think
people really appreciate the amount of effort um that you
put in, and not just people think if you're inside
you're just digging. Uh, it's established relationships that you have
built in the past that allow you to get information
that nobody can get. So I can appreciate you, man,
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because appreciate breaking news. It's more than just breaking news.
People have to understand it's work. Um, but what's going
on in the league, bro? Yeah, man, Well, first and foremost,
I appreciate you as always. And uh, this goes back
to like what we said earlier. It's it's uh, like
Jay said, all I need is the love of my crew,
oh and hate me, I thug my way through, right,
and it's it's it's a real notion. And uh, you know,
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despite the despite that the hate, there's a lot of left.
So I appreciate that. In terms of what's going on
around the league. Um, you know, this is kind of
contract season. A lot of guys that are up for extensions.
Those things are being discussed behind the scenes. I tried
to stay out of the to the greatest extent possible. Uh,
Team A and player be are discussing a contract extension.
Like in a lot of cases, it's kind of a
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no brain of For instance, Eric Berry, he and the
Chiefs have been discussing extension for an extended period of time.
Eric Berry is one of the most unique players in
the NFL in terms of the contract leverage that he
currently has. Uh And also, uh, you know who he
is as a person off the field, right, and that
who he is off the field factors into the leverage
(31:25):
that he has in a contract negotiation. Here's a guy
that's coming off of defeating Hodgkinson pote lymphoma. He was
a multi time Pro Bowl player who came back from
dealing with cancer and became uh, every bit of the
player he was before he left, and some would argue
maybe he's even playing better. So here's a guy that
had maybe his best year yet one year after dealing
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with a fight for his life quite literally. Uh, and
now he's got a contract situation that he's dealing with.
He has been franchise tagged so he could play under
the tag this year. I don't know it off the
top of my head, unfortunately, not looking at but I
believe it's somewhere in the twelve I think it's in
the twelve million range. Now we know guys have got
more than that. The row Wheve's got sixteen for one
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at the at the corner position safety, the safety obviously
position you're gonna you're gonna attach the strong safety and
the free safety. To come up with that franchise number,
I believe maybe they're separated anyway. Point being, it's it's
a decent amount of money, but it's not the kind
of money that a player like him probably well probably
get on the on the open market. Right, So what
the teams will say as well, he's not on the
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open market. Uh, So we gotta deal with this number.
You can get this one year franchise number. Uh two years.
I believe would cost twenty four million or so if
you tagged him twice. That's a substantial amount of money
for no long term security. From the chief's perspective, they'd
like to keep that player around for a very long time,
not just because the player is on the field, but
everything means that community off the field. And so behind
the scenes, I think what's occurring is, you know, the
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two sides are working really hard to try and find
um a point at which they can both walk away
happy with how Eric Berry has been treated. Uh, that
he he's going to be a chief for life hopefully
and continue to add incredible value to that franchise in
a number of realms. So that's when I really am
pained very close attention to. And it's a player who,
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uh you know a lot of players people say, well,
he doesn't deserve that money, or what's he complaining about.
You don't ever hear anybody say that about Eric Barry
deserves every penny that's coming his way. So what's the
latest with Fitzpatrick. I'm curious about it. I know people
are probably sick of hearing about this situation, but what what,
what's what's the deal like? As far as you know,
the numbers that were offered and where they stand right now.
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This is another thing. I mean in any contract negotiation,
leverages the end all be all, And for Fitzpatrick, it
seems like they both have a leverage. As a team.
They say, well, your market isn't high because nobody else
is coming after you, But fits is he has leverage
because when you look at the roster, I believe he's
the best choice, and obviously he does too, and his
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agents saying the same thing. As a team, are you
gonna go with Gino? Um? All right? Are you going
to go with what's the young? Forgot? They got the
kid Bryce Petty Petty? So I think they both have leverage.
So are they just at a stand still? The Jets
are betting that they have more leverage because uh, Fitzpatrick doesn't,
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as far as we can tell, have any other suitors
that are willing to pay him starter money. Otherwise you
would have signed a deal. So from Fitzpatrick's standpoint, one
thing you can do is you can sit around and
wait through these camps and see if God forbid, anybody
gets injured, And if they do, then maybe you've establish
a little bit more leverage because now there is a
suitor out there that's willing to pay you a tack
above what the Jets are willing to pay you. But
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as of right now, what the Jets are saying, it's like, look,
wait as long as you want, our offers are offer,
and we're gonna pay you one year essentially bottom level
starter money, and we want to keep you for three
and we're willing to pay you six per over the
last two. So the money ends up being elite backup
money for the last two and bottom and starter money
(34:55):
for that first year. If you're a player, really hard
not to feel disrespected. And so you know what, And
they also they also got Hackenburgh right, yes, uh, second
round picks right, So we'll see that. That's that's interesting.
That's that's gonna be one of those storylines. We have
to stay tuned in, all right. So U t D.
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Let me get some Ali. And you're always talking about Mohammed.
You're not the same man you were ten years ago.
While I asked your wife and she told me you're
not the same man you a two years ago, two
years ago, Howard Coast Sale, that's two greats conversation and
talking to each other, Ali and Haward Coastal. Alright, so
let's let's go. Depth Chart debates. Um, we got a
(35:38):
little bit more time in this podcast when Ranto the building,
feel like we can take we can take this all
day long. Man. Um, all right, so Depth Chart debates. Uh,
there's there's obviously a train of thought that a wire
receiver is one or two things. He's your absolute burner
that's faster than everybody that can catch, or he's just
(36:00):
a dog that can catch everything. For me, if you're
talking about the best in the game, you blend the two,
you become, you know, a speaster, but a guy that
has that dog in him. Um, let's take it back
to when I was in high school. My freshman year,
I was at practice, the first practice at Lindbergh High School,
(36:22):
and I played like wide receiver tight end d n
growing up because I was tall and I was skinny.
It wasn't like the fastest guy. Um. So I remember
being at Lindbergh, which is a public school and renting,
and the coach was like, hey, who wants to play quarterback?
And one guy raised his hand. He's like, who wants
to play receiver? And a few guys raised in and
I was like, this is an odd way of picking
(36:43):
your physicians, right, usually look at the guys and then
they go out and they kind of earned a position.
So he says, who wants to play running back? I
never played running back in my life, but I knew
I just kind of looking at the crop of young
boys that I was the most athletic guy and a
small school and rent um So I raised my hand.
I'm like, yeah, I want to play running back. Of course,
(37:04):
you know I grew up idolizing Bray Sanders and I
watched exactly. Um So we went on to have a
very historic season at oh and eleven. We didn't score
it to the last the last game of the season,
and I didn't score a touchdown the whole year. All
that do is we all sweep right, sweeple left, like
(37:24):
our playbook was terrible, and I would just do spin
booth spin move, get hit spin woosp and um. I
remember thinking after that year, like, you know what, I'm
just not cut out to be running back. Under my thing,
I was getting banged a t D, I was getting rocked,
and I remember so then I I transferred into O Day,
which the private school my brother had just transferred, and
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I wasn't a athlete that was scholarship. I was just
a guy that was going to My mom and dad
were paying for me and my brother to go school
there UM, and I was like, you know, I'm gonna
go back to playing my receiver. We were a running team,
and I it up having sevn t d s off
of fourteen catches my senior year. I mean, we literally
never threw the ball. And I got recruited UM out
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of high school to run track, to run hurdles, UM,
to play basketball, to play cornerback, and to playright receiver.
So I had options. I thought to myself, this is
exactly what I thought. I don't want to go and
play point guard for four years because I don't like
the pressure of having everybody depend on me as the
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quarterback of the court. Because our high school rest in
Peace UM coach Lumpkin was pass pass, pass shoot, pass pass,
pass shoot, and all the pressure was on me as
a point guard. Loved it. It made me an all
state point guard. It offered me scholarships, but I was like, man,
if it was this intensive high school, imagine what's gonna
be like in college. So that was off. I didn't
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want to run track because I hate running. That's very simple.
So that was off, and I was a hurdle champion.
I won the low hurdles and the State of Washington
my senior. So then it came down to me playing
cornerback or wide receiver. And I thought to myself, cornerbacks
don't touch the ball that often. Wide receivers get occasional catch,
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but when they catch it and they score, everybody looks
at him. So me, being this kid who was completely
full of himself, said all right, I'm gonna go in
my room. I'm going to count the most letters that
I had from one school and that's where I'm gonna go.
And my dad was like, that's not necessarily how you
picked your school, and I was like, well, you know,
I don't know what else to do. So I went
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in and I just like counted them off, and University
of Nevadarino sent me the most letters. So then I
was like, all right, I'm gonna go there. On the visit.
I had University of Washington deck, I had Washington State
on deck. I had some small schools for track, I
had Clemson for basketball. Um, and I was like, you
know what, I'm gonna go to the Vedarina. The coach
came in. He set in my living room. He said,
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how many catches did you have your senior year? So
I had fourteen, sir, he said, uh, well in one
game at this time they were throwing that rock around.
Your eyes lit up. I said what. And you know,
at the time, I was not even I thought, man,
this could happen like this crazy. Then I got to college,
I'm like, man, really, am I going to catch them
any one game my junior year when I had the
(40:17):
best season of my life at catches, we were playing
uh uh. It was as a team in the White Conference,
and I had nineteen catches. So their promises came trump.
So that was my decision on being a wide receiver
in college because I didn't have to have all the
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pressure on my shoulders, but I could go out and
make plays, you know, at my own on doing U
Ran let me ask you, in your opinion, who is
the best receiver in the game. And we talked about
this before the show. It's this decision is harder now
than it was five years ago. Our tens fifteen years a. Yeah,
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it's ridiculous, and I mean especially as the game gets
more spread out and in the rockets passed around. I'm
a lot more right. You're looking at so many guys
like the first guy that pops in mind when you
say who is the best receiver in the game, the
first guy that pops into my mind. And I'm not
saying this is the guy, but des Bryant immediately on
like dead at is a beast. But that being said,
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what I look at when I look at this is
not necessarily who's the best, but who's the most fun
to watch? And there are some young guys that are
really really am having a good time watching DeAndre Hopkins,
chief among him. The way that dude plays the game,
I mean literally, And Brock I said this the other day, said,
look with with New anything you throw in his direction,
I don't think he there's such thing as an uncatchable
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ball for him. And then you watch his high huge
it's insane, and he's so smooth and and this isn't
a guy that like jumps off the tape to you
as an absolute burner. He's not the quickest guy, he's
not the fastest guy, he's certainly not the strongest guy,
but consistently makes these highlight real catches, and that's a
lot of fun. Another guy who I don't think it's
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credit he deserves, who's a ton of fun to watch
is Jarvis Landry. He's so much fun to watch. Another
guy that just catches everything that comes his way. So
those are two players I have a lot of fun watching.
I think DeAndre Hopkins can certainly be in the discussion
as a top five receiver. Jarvis isn't quite there yet,
but he's certainly in the discussion for elite receivers in
the game. In my opinion, I love Antonio Brown. Yeah,
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he's my guy. He's the best receiver in the league.
But like you said, he's not the tallest, fastest, strongest,
but he's such a good playmaker and he gets double
and triple teams and just continues to get open. People
really don't appreciate how good of a route runner he is,
but he's one of the best in the game. It's crazy,
Peter Crazy. You gotta mention Julio is a monster. And
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then there's a J and then there's oh b J.
Like there's so many guys, like you can't really say
there's one can guy. But I have to we're running
out of time here. Let's do this real quick. Give
us your top three, ran, give us your top three.
You go. I'm going right now. An Tonio's number one,
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Oh man, this is tough days. Healthy is my number two?
Um number three? I gotta go Julio, all right, you
got t d I gotta lory my way out of
this one. Bro said, I can't take positions in a
hard line, so I'll just I'll just say it's difficult
to argue that those are three of the best receivers
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in the game. And then I would add in like
I said, Uh, if you look at Daz, if you
look at DeAndre Hopkins, this is crazy to me. Guys,
we've been talking about this to five minutes and Odell
Beckham has not come up. He's Odell. O'Dell is a
great receiver. But if you're telling me that you would, uh,
ten times out of ten choose Odell after Daz, We'll
(43:55):
probably just have to agree to have a fundamental disagreement
if you, I mean, I'm sorry before friends getting a
lawyer on us. O man, man, Odell makes those plays.
You can't sit there and put the pressure on us.
Give me your and finally goes to three. Antonio Brown
is the number one man. That dude is a splash
(44:16):
reel waiting to happen. He's like Steph Curry of the
of the NFL. I'll go odell number two. Man, what
that guy has been able to do his first two
seasons game after game, put up those numbers and still
get better. He's legitabug athlete, makes crazy plays. And number
three I almost agree with you though. A healthy dad
is a monster. He's he's a force to reckon, to
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be reckoned with. So that would be that would be
my three. I can dig it, man, that's what's up? Man?
All right? Well, TD, I know you got a sound
bite scored to do this right, give me some my lead.
I'll never fight another fellow stuff as Jones. Not even
that big old bad sonthing left? Is he on? Next fight?
Well after I now late this hind the coop. I
want that bad bad What can happen? He might be great,
(44:59):
but he'll fall. And eight I'm the priest fight in
the ring today. That's my label, the rellist man. All right?
So or not? Yep? Time for or now? Where I
ask you guys a question and you tell me whether
you're with it or no. So this week's topic is
I know you guys saw the Warriors of two. Oh,
(45:21):
let me get through it. The Warriors of two against
the Cabs. It's been so dominant that the story lines
really have been you know, Steph celebrating on the bench,
was talking to a woman on the bench name are
the soccer player Namorro soccer player. Was kicking in with
the Warriors after the game. And then also in the
fourth quarter of the third quarter of the game doing
(45:41):
a blowout, there was this Instagram model, as the kids
like to say, I G model that was looking at
Steph Curry. Once again, let the kids say, willing to
risk it all? And that was that was caught on Twitter.
That was called on Instagram and a lot of people
have fun with that, where hey, people say, please play
pray for Steph Curry man because he's a target right now.
(46:04):
And uh, so again, should we pray for Steph Curry?
Do we need to pray for Steph Curry or not? Absolutely?
Did you see that she was looking at me? Listen man?
Uh where was aish? I had to be scoping from
the side she had she had that Oh my god,
it's real out here. I got this post. I'm just
(46:24):
reading no dispeck to this young woman. I don't know her,
and I'm not saying that she is uh got or
anything like that. But people are clever online. So they
got the picture and they put it up and she
is looking as seductive as ever. And then the quote is,
when you've gotten past all the thoughts on i G,
now you must battle the final boss. Stop. That's a
(46:50):
great one. That's a good one. Another one was, hey,
let's stop the game right now, I have a play
play the i G model one on one. Basketball's crazy.
I'm gonna just say this, bro, like it's real in
the field, like it gets especially for hoopers though. See
at least in football, there's some distance between you and
(47:13):
the sidelines, right you guys all be on face masks
with basketball players. As you see, here's the end of
the bench and here's or girl that he was chopping
up with, whoever the player was. He was just having
a casual conversation right right, which is crazy, which is crazy.
But it was funny though, because you know she came
out afterwards and said, look, I was just trying to
have a sip of my drink. And uh and just
provide you know, the warriors with little motivation. So of
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course her I G account became this thing that folks
started publicizing and whatnot. And you know it's clear that
she is uh energy attention, you know what sis attention.
So but look, yes, pray for that, man, because you
think about that, you're dealing with that all times. He
probably did not notice her then, but the middle of
the regular season, I bet you noticed a lot more
(47:57):
other than the stands. He's super focused. Man. Yeah, it's crazy, man. Listen.
Uh that that right there is UH is the prime
example of how real it gets. And social media doesn't
let that stuff slide at all. Like my boy said,
social media is undefeated and they will always win when
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it comes to any picture that lands in their hands. Um.
That that's is that all the r and all we
need man. That that's it. Man, listen, Ran, I appreciate
you joining me. That's a fun show. We gotta do
it again, bro, we always just more often. Um, come
back and tell some stories and and and fill us
in on what's going on in the league. T D.
I appreciate you dropping the Ali sound bites. Rest in
(48:39):
peace to the goat. The greatest of all time. This
is the R and B Podcast. Man, thank you for
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uh set meant on TV and we're gonna make this
(49:02):
a movement. It's really than ever. Thank you for joining us.
What would you like people to think about you when
you've gone. I'd like for them to say he took
a few cups of love. He took one tablespoon of patience,
one tablespoon teaspoon of generosity, one pint of kindness. He
(49:22):
took one quart of loft, one pinch of concern, and
then he mixed willingness with happiness. He added lots of faith,
and he stirred it up well. Then he spread it over,
expanding a lifetime, and he served into each and every
deserving person he met than you
I had him borne in eighth I was getting ready
to take him in the eighth at you could see,
but the man nothing key from making me look so great.
I'm the king of the world. You're not that pretty
bad man up the world, the world, the world. Yeah,
(00:22):
oh no, no, yeah, well I had a long day. Now,
I really trying to go out, trying to go out
by my lady. Got a dressed out for a man
on the town. But that ain't going down. See now, baby,
I got some stats for you and all some real
players super spiss some fast for you. Seat you at
this game go down. As they analyzed the winners, they
(00:44):
might show my name out because you're bad, mommy making
jump tune into the Army Show. He show the tune.
Tune into the ARV show the tune all season long. Yes, yeah,
like my man Mike Rob would say, that never gets old.
Shout out to Shy Infinite, Welcome to the show. I
(01:06):
am named Burlison MICUs out in Seattle doing what he does.
But we have to keep the R and R and B.
So we got the realist NFL insider in the game.
My man Ram getting what's up? Baby? You're good? Life
is good. Hey, I appreciate you joining me, appreciate you
having me. You know, this is always my favorite show
to join at the network, the most fun get to
(01:28):
talk about the realist topics. So we're gonna talk today
Today's good show. I like it all right. So this
is the R and B Podcast. This is like your
favorite podcast that floats like a butterfly, steams like a b.
Shout out to the greatest of all time, rest in Paradise,
Mohammed uh Lee. Straight up, let's get this popping man
(01:50):
coming up on today's show. We pay our respects to
Muhammad Ali. Instead of the usual beats that my man
t D draws up, we're gonna drop some of the
quote is from the best poet slash athlete, uh slash
what else would you? Revolutionary man that transcended boxing. So
(02:11):
he is uh He's a guy that we're gonna pay
how much to throughout the show with sound bites throughout
his career. Um the latest news. We're gonna talk key
to Leap and uh Mini camps. We're gonna obviously stick
with our new segment depth chart debates, and we'll discuss
why receivers we have our or no all segment that
TV came with that I love. So we're gonna talk
(02:33):
about that and we got some good stuff. We're gonna
talk Steph Curry. But you know it's it got a
twist on it, so please stay tuned to it's gonna
be entertaining. Um. Speaking of t D, t D. Tell
the people, what's up? Man, what's going on? People? What's
going on? Rand appreciate you joining us. What's something? As
(02:56):
I always say, what you need to do, especially this week.
And a lot of Muhammad Ali content is out there,
great content. The man, by the way, the man took
the best photos on any athletes that would do it.
It's insane. His his photo collection is crazy. Please check out.
No one does Ali like Ali, but the actor Billy Crystal,
the legend reactor Billy Crystal, who does a really good job.
(03:18):
And what he what's called fifteen rounds Billy Crystal? Google
search fifteen rounds? Billy Crystal. Wouldn't just watch him. It's
more or less performing Muhammad Ali for Muhammad Ali at
his retirement. And I believe there's less than a handful
about four people that are gonna speak at his service,
and Billy Crystal is one of the fantastic one of
the eulogies. I guess he Muhammad Ali agreed to certain
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people speaking for him at his funeral and then certain
people carrying the casket. Side note, Will smith is gonna
be one of the men carrying the casket. How about that? Crazy?
How it's crazy? Mohammad Ali said, Smith, I want you
to carry me to my grand And obviously people remember it.
Will Smiths played Muhammad Ali. Yeah in the in the movie.
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We got this, so I would ask for a beat
at this moment. But let me get a little oddly,
and I said, Joe's gonna come out smoking and I
ain't gonna be joking. I'll be pecking and a poking
one watching only smoking. And then this my shocking the major.
But I will destroy Joe Frasier, Man, how about that? Listen.
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So and in my own little head, uh, I'm very
aware of who I am and what I was able
to do with what I was blessed with. So I
don't have this inflated view of who I am. I'm
just a guy with average talents over exceeded at moments.
I made some good money in this league. Um, I'm
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not Calvin Johnson. I'm not you know, Odell Beckham, Antonio Brown.
But I did okay in this league. But when I
approached my job as an athlete, as a football player,
as a brand, as an artist, as a guy who
can rap um, all these things were pieces of a
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blueprint from Ali. Now there are certain guys that can
come on the show. We had T on the show,
and you know I I sat there and I told him,
man that there was parts of you know, me celebrating
that I took from you. Period. I saw you do it,
and I knew how it helped you as an athlete,
right as this this this thing that people wanted to
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invest in. Um, but Ali, when I talk about blueprints
that I take and my father's on the list obviously
in different athletes that I can remember over time, Ali
has the biggest impact on my career because when I
was young and I was a kid, and I was
popping in VHS tapes and my pops sitting me down
and explaining who this guy was. Um, I saw this
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black man talking about how black and proud he was.
I saw this black man telling people how good he
was and then going out and improving it, improving it.
And then I saw this black man rymey. So like
if anybody knows me, obviously this show is it's pop culture,
sports hip hop. We do everything. I sit there and
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I spent my little bars and I I've done some
songs in the past, and I record things. What people
don't know is Muhammad Ali had the biggest influence on
my career and who I am and how I've kind
of etched out. When Nate Brolison is there was no
boundaries to him. So for me, I said, all right, yeah,
I can go out here and be the best why receiver.
I can be within this timeframe. I can also build
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my brand. I can also wrap. I can do whatever
I want. Ali did whatever he wanted to. And when
you look at all the athletes, I said this, Yester
down t A. You look at all your favorite athletes
are You're polarizing athletes, Floyd Mayweather, Richard Sherman, even Michael
Jordan Lebron, James cam Newton, whoever it is that you
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look at and you can appreciate for what they do
on the field, how much money they make, what they
do on the court, what they do in the ring,
whatever it is. They all have pooled these pieces from
Ali's career. Richard Sherman, he went out there and he
talked crazy, crazy, and it was it was a love
hay relationship. Some people that some people hated him, but
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guess what, he would not improved how good he was.
And then he got paid, which is for me, Ali ESQ.
You either loved him or you hated him, But what
everybody did is they tuned in hate him. One of
the highest paid athletes of all time. If that ain't Ali,
then I don't know what is. Yeah, you look love him,
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hate him, but you gotta respect him. And you know,
with Muhammad Ali, what's really interesting is I think what happens,
especially with social media these days, you look at the
outpouring of support for Ali, and very few of the
individuals who you see waxing poetic about how amazing he
was had the depth of knowledge of who he was
that you do because you look to him as a
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role model, some a vision of what could be uh
and it actually did shape your life. But a lot
of these folks don't have many historical understanding who Ali was.
And I'm one of those people who, because I didn't
live through those times, I couldn't fully grasp what Ali
meant to society at that moment in time. And I
think it's very hard for anybody that didn't live through
that period to get it. But one guy who did
live through it was my my adoptive father. My adoptive
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father is a white man from the Midwest. He grew
up in Florisan in uh In uh In, Missouri, uh
where they had a lot of the racial unrest of
the issues there. UH. He then went on to wrestle
at Wisconsin. Yeah, and he went on to wrestle with Wisconsin.
He said, Look, Uh, when Ali came into my consciousness
was around sixty three. I was a senior in high school.
And man, did I hate that guy, Like he was
so brash and we've never seen anything I believe, so
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I believe right. And my dad is pretty good with
this kind of stuff. He's kind of a Storian. So anyway,
the point is he went through this story and it
was really incredible. Uh, he tells incredible stories, but most
of these days he wants to know what's one on
in my life. I asked him, tell me a little
bit of Ali, and for thirty five minutes, man, he
went on the entire arc of Ali's career and how
from the beginning of that career he was someone that
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my dad just could not resonate with. My dad is
very conservative. He doesn't like people that uh tooth their
own horn, you know, right, he is against all of that.
But he also was a man who had never been
exposed to African American culture and inter city culture, country
culture like any of those things. He only knew what
he knew, right, He said, over the arc of Ali's career.
By the end of it, he absolutely adored the man
for everything that he meant to society and a social sense.
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Here was a guy who not only was willing to
speak up on issues that mattered to people, really really
mattered civil rights issues. Mind you, if it's sixty three,
the Civil Rights Act pass wasn't passing until sixty four.
So in reality, under the law, these people, these folks
that were speaking out against these things of black panthers,
whoever it would make maybe uh, John Carlos, all those guys,
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they're fighting for something that's real, intangible. It's just you
had disagreements about methods, right and now those for my
dad to take a step back and say, he was
the most incredible athlete from a social and athletics standpoint
that I've ever seen in my life at seventy two
years old, as a guy who uh competed at very
high level and wrestling and other sports. That meant something
to me. And I think that that will be the
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last thing mark that Ali left on our society that
will stick with me, was that he was a man who,
aside from his incredible athletic exploits, really affected society and
he pushed social change forward, and that's something that I
think you have to revere. You said it best, not
just athletically, but outside of the sports. Tod what you got, Man, Listen,
both of you guys and your dad's both came up,
and the same is true for me. I'm obviously a
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lot younger than you guys, and growing up, I didn't
have the best relationships with my father. But remember alive.
There's last few days reminded me with memories of my dad.
I didn't even know I had so because I just
remember him and he would he would try to mimic
all these movements kind of like you know, especially telling
me I'm a young gun and I missed out and
seeing Ali and his prime and you know, just kind
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of right, Jeb. A couple of jobs here and there,
and it's almost funny, like it seems that's a lot
of young guys. There's that relationship your dad telling you
Muhammad Ali and those Now, like I said, I even
know I had those memories, and now those are memories
I will never forget because of mommat Ali. So I
wrote a little post about that and I just thank
you to Mom, and I a leave for that, because,
like I said, I don't have a ton of memories
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of my dad growing up, so that's really definitely one
of them. But overall to what I already liked the
mah Mhammad Ali, what really stood out was kind of
like how Pro Bowls. So you see there's a Pro Bowls,
NBA All Star Games, or Team USA Basketball. When the
cream of the crop, from the top of the top
all come together, you see which quarterback gets to start,
which quarterback is the main guy of the top quarterbacks?
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Paygin's out there, Rogers your Brady's. You're trying to see
who rises to the top. Saint hoops and point guards,
Chris Paul's your your Westbrooks. You're trying to see who's
that guy who's gonna lead everyone, obviously Steph Curry. Muhammad
Ali was that before all black entertainers. He was the
guy when everyone came together, Like Drake said, they want
to be like us and we want to be like them.
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Muhammad Ali didn't want to be like anybody else. Everybody
wanted to be like Muhammad Ali. Everybody he was. He
was the standard man. Yeah. Yeah, to think about it,
when when we talk about NBA, which I'm a huge
NBA fan, and obviously TD is too. You gotta check
out TV's podcast, Make It, Take It the podcast, check podcast,
This Dope podcast. But when we talk about the best
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players of all time, we always stack them up against Jordan's.
It's just what we do because Jordan was the greatest.
When you talk about boxing, you talked about Floyd may
Whether being undefeated at fort nine and O is he
as good as Ali? When we talk about how great
Tyson was just the absolute dog in the ring, we say, hey,
you think Ali could beat uh Tyson or Tyson standard?
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He is the standard. He is that. And you know,
we were talking about this on t A yesterday, and
you know with TV we only have a certain amount
of time, so I couldn't really get into really what
I wanted to say, But I'm glad I had my
podcast to say this little tidbit along with his athletic achievements,
along with um, him being the standard, along with him
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breaking down these barriers, like you said, right, Um, one
thing I can appreciate about Ali which people didn't do
now and they don't necessarily We didn't do then, but
they don't necessarily do now, is that he never hid
from his flaws or issues or his down times, and
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there were plenty. If you know Ali's story, he had
moments where he was broke, He had moments where he
was embarrassed, He had moments where he was battling mainstream
ideology and what he believed in, moments where physically he
had ailments. Um. What comes to mind is him holding
the torch of the Olympics and him shaking. Um. He
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didn't hide from any of that. Nowadays, when athletes, celebrities,
people in general have flaws, they hide because we don't
want the world to judge us, We don't want the
world to see us. Ali never did that. I mean,
he was very open and if you really think about that,
that is one of the most inspiring things about Ali,
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because you know, we're prideful men and women and were
we always feel judged, so we always feel the need
to show everybody the best part of us. Right, Ali
showed us the best part. He showed us the worst
part of him, which made us love him, which made
us become extremely familiar with him, and and that that
was motivating. I was thinking about that over the last
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twenty four hours because I wanted to say it on TV,
and then I thought, well, how about you just don't
say and they didn't live it, because you know, if
there's something about you that people might not understand, don't
hide it, just explain it and own it everything. I
couldn't agree with that more. And and that's the thing,
you know, the one lesson I've learned in my short
time in the journalism space or the reporting spaces, the
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best thing you can be is authentic, right. And Mars
Shawn len said something about it today Uh in an
article was released as sixty Minutes Interviews Experts excerpts released,
and he basically said the same thing, like, why would
you want to be anything else? If you tell one lie,
you gotta tell another line of steam rolls before you're
caught up behind the whole pile of lies. Ali was
himself from the moment that we he came into our
consciousness and tell the moment that he left this earth.
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And one of the beautiful things about Ali uh and
guys like him, and there haven't been many, but eyes
like him are. Uh. The beauty in his passing is
overwhelming because his legacy is rehashed people from generations that
missed him, like your pop said, go back and study him,
and he inspires a whole new generation of folks who
were gonna go out there and push the boundaries forward.
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And to me, uh, that is the mark of a
man who lived a fantastic, fantastic life. You're right about
that man, all right, So let's let's move it on
and shout out the moment. Ali rest in peace. Um
latest NFL news key to lead. He suffered minor guns
shot to the leg. Uh. This was in Dallas at
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a club around two am. I just saw a video
yesterday on TMZ where there was one guy recording and
he had a Southern draw, so obviously he was like, man,
it's about to pop off or something. And then you see,
like in the distance, you see a group of men
just kind of doing a little talk and shoving. I
don't want to make light of this, because you know,
you don't make light of anybody getting shot. And then
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you hear four shots, right, and I'm like, whoa, it's
just got real. He the guy holding the camera, he ducks.
He I think he's in his car. And that's where
we are left. So Rand, you being our main man
when it comes to the inside of what's going on.
What have you heard on the latest in this incident? Yeah,
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I mean so I have not. This is an interesting scenario,
you know, when it comes to gun violence or gun
mishaps or whatever the case may be. You know, it's
a scary element of society. And it's not just with
football players. But and this is something that I'm sure
that you're quite familiar with. Like, there are elements though
of the life that people in the public UH sphere
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lead that your average lay person wouldn't understand. Why does
a guy feel the need to have a gun on
him in the first place? These are questions to get
asked consistently, right, and my answer is always, well, you
never know what another man's going through, so I try
not to judge. If it's legal in society, Uh, then
you know, allow folks to make their own decisions and
for better for worse, you know. That's uh, that's how
I think we should allow. You know, the majority of
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society living in the number realms, I haven't heard anything
that would lead me to believe that the situation with
uh tve is something that he U provoked provoked, would
necessarily get in trouble. That being said, we don't really
have full information right there problems with some inconsistent statements.
From what I've been able to read what he told
the UH cops. The statement that he gave in the
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hospital was that he didn't remember, uh, you know, what
had occurred. That maybe he was a little bit too
intoxicated to remember what occurred. But the reality is, uh
that is that is that is that an assumption or
is that are is that I saw it reported that
he was, that he had no no, no, that he
had made that comment to the authorities, or or I
don't is is that also the G code for anybody listening,
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the G code of the street code is you know,
let's just keep it real. This is what we do TV.
I'm sorry, but you don't snitch, right, And I know
people listening they're like, oh, that's corny. People don't snits.
But when you're familiar the streets, I'm not saying from
the streets, you don't snitch in any circumstance, even if
you are victim. So I was just saying it could
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be one of the It could be that he didn't remember.
It could be that he literally has no idea. He
could be that he was drinking it could also be
he's like, you know what, I'm not gonna snitch on
anybody because I don't want to put anybody in the
situation that could put them in jail. If the shooting
was accidental, it could have been any number of things.
I mean, within the realm of possibilities. Could also be
he actually did not remember right at the moment of time,
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and he became familiar with what occurred through folks telling
him or whatever. We don't know. All that we know
is here was a situation that could have gotten a
lot scarier than it did. Thankfully, it was a superficial wound.
Sounds like he's gonna be back in time to play
for the season at this juncture, and from a from
a punishment standpoint, that's first thing that pops into mind.
Right Especially Tyler has had some some incidents in the
past where he's had some close calls. Um, we don't
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have any information as yet they would indicate that he's
going to face any kind of sanction for this, But
I think that's the thing to keep an eye on,
right is what is uncovered in the investigation. Right now,
the NFL is actively looking at the situation. I don't
think it's been framed as an investigation, but certainly anytime
one of their their players, especially when it's prominent in
him as him, suffers from a gunshot wound of any kind,
they want to know how it happened, right, So you
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know this. On our podcast, we don't call out anybody.
That's not what we do. But when I hear something,
I have to address it. So I was listening to
another network that I won't necessarily promote, but obviously with
the name, I'll say, you can figure it out. So
Skip Bayless was like, well, you know he's in his
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thirties and he's at the club. I don't understand. You're
at the prime of your career. Why don't you wait
to go to the club when you're done playing. You
know you got money and you got this, and you
shouldn't be in the club. Skip, let me say this time. Um,
it doesn't matter if you're wide or black. It doesn't
matter if you have money or not. It doesn't matter
if you're in the league or you work at Burger King.
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If you want to go out and enjoy yourself, whether
you're with your boys or whether you're with your wife,
whether you're with your girlfriend, you should be able to
do that. The issue isn't why is he in the club?
The issue, like Rand said, is why do we have
gun violence at two in the morning where people are
trying to enjoy, you know, good drinks and music with
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the people that they love. So that's that's why I
had to get that off my chest, because you know,
you have this platform and say, well, these guys shouldn't
be in a club. Now, it's not the case, because
if you go to Vegas and celebrate something, you're gonna
be in the club. Like if if you're celebrating the life,
which most of these young men who have accomplished more
than they ever dreamed, do that more often than everybody does. Well,
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this speaks to like, and this is a conversation. We
can have an entire you know, podcast on but these
are and we've talked about this a lot. It's cultural ignorance, right,
and I'm not talking about cultural from an ethnic standpoint.
It's not just black folks to go to the club
thirty three, Right. You can definitely catch me out in
the city if you get into spots on Matt hashtag
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l a night. But there's a reason for that, and
that's because I want to be in places that are safe,
that are classy, right, where we can also have a
hell of a time and we do right. And hey man,
i've seen you fresh with the fresh deeds on out fly.
All right, So let well, we'll take a little bit
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of time because any time I can tell a story,
I like tell a story. TD likes me to tell
a story. So we'll take this moment right now to
do a hashtag camp fire football. Will we all gather
around the campfire, kids, Nate is going to tell you
a story that relates to this latest news about a
key to leave getting shot. So a few years ago,
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UM in Michigan playing for the Detroit Lions, and I'm
with a group of guys that will remain nameless. I'm
out at a location. I'm out of the location that
will remain nameless. So I'm with guys that I play with,
and I'm also with guys that are from Detroit, right not.
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I don't roll around with a group of guys that
are paid to be my security. These is just my
homeboys from the city. Now, my homeboys from the city
of Detroit. These are real dudes, like these are guys
that might not necessarily have a job. These are guys
that they might be rappers, they might do this, do that,
but these are good men. So we're out chilling having
a good time. A young player who just signed to
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the team, a little bit intoxicated, lightweight, full of himself,
starts acting up and he's being disrespectful to the people
that are at the location, people that are servicing us,
the waiters, And I'm trying to be the big brother,
which are always them, So I'm trying to come down like, yo, chill,
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get some water, let's relax. He walks up to one
of my guys and he grabs his chain and swings
it around his neck like in the Usher video. He
swings kind of like like that man like that. I
gotta jump in. Back in the day, I had to.
I had a chain with a sen with my last
name is St. Matthew Daniels, had a chain with it
that I used to spin around back in the day
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that you've got a bad days. I need that picture
because I know that somewhere. Um so he doesn't. So
my man comes up to me like yo, Nate, um,
your your boy is tripping. So I'm like who I'm like,
y know, who's like one of your guys tripping. He's
dispecting everybody in here, and he's also taking a step further.
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And he walked to me, grab my chain swinging around
my neck, made a comment and walked off, and I'm like, Yo,
this isn't a good thing, so I will never forget this.
He said, you guys should get out of here, because
if he does that to somebody that doesn't know who
you guys are, it could end real bad. I he said,
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I had to pull my guy off of him because
he wanted to harm of course, your teammate. And then
he stopped. He paused, after I was already figuring the
situation out, kind of getting everybody to the exits, he
grabbed me. Said it sounds really intense, but it was.
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At the moment he said, the difference between my shooters
and the police is they don't have to report to anybody.
So if your man is being extremely disrespectful, he can
easily be shot out here in Michigan, right, And I'm like, WHOA, Right,
it's time to go. So I rallied all the troops
(25:39):
and obviously my man wasn't gonna let any shooting go off,
but he was basically saying like, you should really be
careful with the company you keep, because say he takes
his step further, gets in a fight, shots bust off,
and all of a sudden, I'm there. News comes out
the Burlison shot at midnight. The assumption is it was
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in a place was supposed to be and he was
doing something was supposed's doing. It could be that I
was at a restaurant and one of my teammates was
acting up in somebody that doesn't care about the value
of life started shooting right. So um, that was one
of those kind of like wow moments. And I love Michigan.
I love it to death and I still do. That
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moment didn't scare me at all, But it also it
allowed me to realize that it doesn't matter where you
are or what you're doing, you can always be touched
in a situation that might not be your own doing. Yeah. Well,
d J. Quick had a song back in the day,
uh where the notion was, you know, it doesn't matter
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where you go. He went on the road. He grew
up in Compton, He went on the road and he
was like, Yo, Denver's just like Compton. Right, Different places
around Albuquerque can be just like Compton. It just depends
if you find that element right. And so we deal
with us all the time. You know, I've got friends
who work on the basketball side, on the marketing capacity,
and those guys a lot of basketball players like to
go to the spots where you know, bad things may occur.
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And I'll get invites, Hey, you want to go to
this whatever day thing with me or whatever, And my
answer is always like no, thank you know, I'm good
because it's not that you can't have a great time.
You can. It's that the risk to me, the potential
risk far outweighs the reward of the good time you
can have, especially when you can go to a spot.
For instance, when I go out in the city, I'll
go to Hide on Sunset a lot. Why it's extremely exclusive.
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I know folks up there very well. Uh, they know
how to ensure that you've got, you know, all of
the safety measures that you need, the right kind of
crowds where you don't have to deal with any nonsense
in that regard. And that's not the only spot, but
it is a place that I've been, you know, a
number of times without incident. If you go to a
place too three times, or into a certain type of
area around a certain type of element, and there's problems
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that are potentially life threatening, and any kind of gun
violence is those are places that I think for Talib
or any other human being, like, you really got to
work hard to avoid those situations just because you've got
so much at stake, not just your money, your life right,
and you just don't want to be around and stuff.
So I think I hope for him, you know, this
was one of those things where thankfully it's not a
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serious injury, but he does get to the point where
we don't have another conversation about Tyler in the wrong
place at the wrong time exactly. Man, it's crazy. Man.
I'll tell the quick story before we move on because
I want to hear. But I was going in the league.
I remember being out in Michigan a separate time and
this guy walked up to me. He's like, yo, nigh,
what's up. How are you doing. I'm like, I'm good, man,
chilling man. I was at a club, me and my teammates.
He was like, let me know if you need anything.
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I'm like, no, I'm good. He's like, you know, people
be tripping out here. We got you covered. I said, man,
I'm not really confrontational. I'm good. He was like, no, no,
I'm just saying if anything pops off, we got you
them Like we like, what are you talking about? He's
like me and my man's we're good. They say you
can't get guns in here, but we're good. He looks over.
There's a dude by the door. He's not security, he
doesn't work there. He nods to him. The guy nods back,
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looks up the shirt, got the burner arm, he got
a gun on him, and he's just basically saying, like,
I'm your hood security. He pops off, I got shooters
in there, right. So I was like, yo, respect, I
appreciate that. Walked to my crew and said, this is
in a place you make that decision. So, um, you
know you always got like you said, you have to
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digest the information that you received in a certain situation
and then make your decision based off that. So, like
we said, we hope that the key is all right
and that we all learned from this. Um, but gun
violence is stupid, all right, Ran, Let's talk about the NFL,
any insides, any potential new deals, anything you've heard, I mean,
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Ran is one of the realists, like, can't we just
can we just all acknowledge the fact that he gave
us a breaking news on rock Oswilt like that kind
of shook up the world, like Muhammad Ali I shook
up the world. And I remember seeing Ran, and Ran
was so swaggy that day. I said, oh my god,
look at my guy. Everybody was light wait hayting like
(29:58):
they was breaking and I'm like, yo, my man, it
is doing it and you know me and it Ran
we talk off camera off Mike and I don't think
people really appreciate the amount of effort um that you
put in, and not just people think if you're inside
you're just digging. Uh, it's established relationships that you have
built in the past that allow you to get information
that nobody can get. So I can appreciate you, man,
(30:20):
because appreciate breaking news. It's more than just breaking news.
People have to understand it's work. Um, but what's going
on in the league, bro? Yeah, man, Well, first and foremost,
I appreciate you as always. And uh, this goes back
to like what we said earlier. It's it's uh, like
Jay said, all I need is the love of my crew,
oh and hate me, I thug my way through, right,
and it's it's it's a real notion. And uh, you know,
(30:42):
despite the despite that the hate, there's a lot of left.
So I appreciate that. In terms of what's going on
around the league. Um, you know, this is kind of
contract season. A lot of guys that are up for extensions.
Those things are being discussed behind the scenes. I tried
to stay out of the to the greatest extent possible. Uh,
Team A and player be are discussing a contract extension.
Like in a lot of cases, it's kind of a
(31:03):
no brain of For instance, Eric Berry, he and the
Chiefs have been discussing extension for an extended period of time.
Eric Berry is one of the most unique players in
the NFL in terms of the contract leverage that he
currently has. Uh And also, uh, you know who he
is as a person off the field, right, and that
who he is off the field factors into the leverage
(31:25):
that he has in a contract negotiation. Here's a guy
that's coming off of defeating Hodgkinson pote lymphoma. He was
a multi time Pro Bowl player who came back from
dealing with cancer and became uh, every bit of the
player he was before he left, and some would argue
maybe he's even playing better. So here's a guy that
had maybe his best year yet one year after dealing
(31:45):
with a fight for his life quite literally. Uh, and
now he's got a contract situation that he's dealing with.
He has been franchise tagged so he could play under
the tag this year. I don't know it off the
top of my head, unfortunately, not looking at but I
believe it's somewhere in the twelve I think it's in
the twelve million range. Now we know guys have got
more than that. The row Wheve's got sixteen for one
(32:06):
at the at the corner position safety, the safety obviously
position you're gonna you're gonna attach the strong safety and
the free safety. To come up with that franchise number,
I believe maybe they're separated anyway. Point being, it's it's
a decent amount of money, but it's not the kind
of money that a player like him probably well probably
get on the on the open market. Right, So what
the teams will say as well, he's not on the
(32:27):
open market. Uh, So we gotta deal with this number.
You can get this one year franchise number. Uh two years.
I believe would cost twenty four million or so if
you tagged him twice. That's a substantial amount of money
for no long term security. From the chief's perspective, they'd
like to keep that player around for a very long time,
not just because the player is on the field, but
everything means that community off the field. And so behind
the scenes, I think what's occurring is, you know, the
(32:49):
two sides are working really hard to try and find
um a point at which they can both walk away
happy with how Eric Berry has been treated. Uh, that
he he's going to be a chief for life hopefully
and continue to add incredible value to that franchise in
a number of realms. So that's when I really am
pained very close attention to. And it's a player who,
(33:09):
uh you know a lot of players people say, well,
he doesn't deserve that money, or what's he complaining about.
You don't ever hear anybody say that about Eric Barry
deserves every penny that's coming his way. So what's the
latest with Fitzpatrick. I'm curious about it. I know people
are probably sick of hearing about this situation, but what what,
what's what's the deal like? As far as you know,
the numbers that were offered and where they stand right now.
(33:31):
This is another thing. I mean in any contract negotiation,
leverages the end all be all, And for Fitzpatrick, it
seems like they both have a leverage. As a team.
They say, well, your market isn't high because nobody else
is coming after you, But fits is he has leverage
because when you look at the roster, I believe he's
the best choice, and obviously he does too, and his
(33:52):
agents saying the same thing. As a team, are you
gonna go with Gino? Um? All right? Are you going
to go with what's the young? Forgot? They got the
kid Bryce Petty Petty? So I think they both have leverage.
So are they just at a stand still? The Jets
are betting that they have more leverage because uh, Fitzpatrick doesn't,
(34:12):
as far as we can tell, have any other suitors
that are willing to pay him starter money. Otherwise you
would have signed a deal. So from Fitzpatrick's standpoint, one
thing you can do is you can sit around and
wait through these camps and see if God forbid, anybody
gets injured, And if they do, then maybe you've establish
a little bit more leverage because now there is a
suitor out there that's willing to pay you a tack
above what the Jets are willing to pay you. But
(34:33):
as of right now, what the Jets are saying, it's like, look,
wait as long as you want, our offers are offer,
and we're gonna pay you one year essentially bottom level
starter money, and we want to keep you for three
and we're willing to pay you six per over the
last two. So the money ends up being elite backup
money for the last two and bottom and starter money
(34:55):
for that first year. If you're a player, really hard
not to feel disrespected. And so you know what, And
they also they also got Hackenburgh right, yes, uh, second
round picks right, So we'll see that. That's that's interesting.
That's that's gonna be one of those storylines. We have
to stay tuned in, all right. So U t D.
(35:16):
Let me get some Ali. And you're always talking about Mohammed.
You're not the same man you were ten years ago.
While I asked your wife and she told me you're
not the same man you a two years ago, two
years ago, Howard Coast Sale, that's two greats conversation and
talking to each other, Ali and Haward Coastal. Alright, so
let's let's go. Depth Chart debates. Um, we got a
(35:38):
little bit more time in this podcast when Ranto the building,
feel like we can take we can take this all
day long. Man. Um, all right, so Depth Chart debates. Uh,
there's there's obviously a train of thought that a wire
receiver is one or two things. He's your absolute burner
that's faster than everybody that can catch, or he's just
(36:00):
a dog that can catch everything. For me, if you're
talking about the best in the game, you blend the two,
you become, you know, a speaster, but a guy that
has that dog in him. Um, let's take it back
to when I was in high school. My freshman year,
I was at practice, the first practice at Lindbergh High School,
(36:22):
and I played like wide receiver tight end d n
growing up because I was tall and I was skinny.
It wasn't like the fastest guy. Um. So I remember
being at Lindbergh, which is a public school and renting,
and the coach was like, hey, who wants to play quarterback?
And one guy raised his hand. He's like, who wants
to play receiver? And a few guys raised in and
I was like, this is an odd way of picking
(36:43):
your physicians, right, usually look at the guys and then
they go out and they kind of earned a position.
So he says, who wants to play running back? I
never played running back in my life, but I knew
I just kind of looking at the crop of young
boys that I was the most athletic guy and a
small school and rent um So I raised my hand.
I'm like, yeah, I want to play running back. Of course,
(37:04):
you know I grew up idolizing Bray Sanders and I
watched exactly. Um So we went on to have a
very historic season at oh and eleven. We didn't score
it to the last the last game of the season,
and I didn't score a touchdown the whole year. All
that do is we all sweep right, sweeple left, like
(37:24):
our playbook was terrible, and I would just do spin
booth spin move, get hit spin woosp and um. I
remember thinking after that year, like, you know what, I'm
just not cut out to be running back. Under my thing,
I was getting banged a t D, I was getting rocked,
and I remember so then I I transferred into O Day,
which the private school my brother had just transferred, and
(37:46):
I wasn't a athlete that was scholarship. I was just
a guy that was going to My mom and dad
were paying for me and my brother to go school
there UM, and I was like, you know, I'm gonna
go back to playing my receiver. We were a running team,
and I it up having sevn t d s off
of fourteen catches my senior year. I mean, we literally
never threw the ball. And I got recruited UM out
(38:09):
of high school to run track, to run hurdles, UM,
to play basketball, to play cornerback, and to playright receiver.
So I had options. I thought to myself, this is
exactly what I thought. I don't want to go and
play point guard for four years because I don't like
the pressure of having everybody depend on me as the
(38:29):
quarterback of the court. Because our high school rest in
Peace UM coach Lumpkin was pass pass, pass shoot, pass pass,
pass shoot, and all the pressure was on me as
a point guard. Loved it. It made me an all
state point guard. It offered me scholarships, but I was like, man,
if it was this intensive high school, imagine what's gonna
be like in college. So that was off. I didn't
(38:51):
want to run track because I hate running. That's very simple.
So that was off, and I was a hurdle champion.
I won the low hurdles and the State of Washington
my senior. So then it came down to me playing
cornerback or wide receiver. And I thought to myself, cornerbacks
don't touch the ball that often. Wide receivers get occasional catch,
(39:13):
but when they catch it and they score, everybody looks
at him. So me, being this kid who was completely
full of himself, said all right, I'm gonna go in
my room. I'm going to count the most letters that
I had from one school and that's where I'm gonna go.
And my dad was like, that's not necessarily how you
picked your school, and I was like, well, you know,
I don't know what else to do. So I went
(39:35):
in and I just like counted them off, and University
of Nevadarino sent me the most letters. So then I
was like, all right, I'm gonna go there. On the visit.
I had University of Washington deck, I had Washington State
on deck. I had some small schools for track, I
had Clemson for basketball. Um, and I was like, you
know what, I'm gonna go to the Vedarina. The coach
came in. He set in my living room. He said,
(39:55):
how many catches did you have your senior year? So
I had fourteen, sir, he said, uh, well in one
game at this time they were throwing that rock around.
Your eyes lit up. I said what. And you know,
at the time, I was not even I thought, man,
this could happen like this crazy. Then I got to college,
I'm like, man, really, am I going to catch them
any one game my junior year when I had the
(40:17):
best season of my life at catches, we were playing
uh uh. It was as a team in the White Conference,
and I had nineteen catches. So their promises came trump.
So that was my decision on being a wide receiver
in college because I didn't have to have all the
(40:38):
pressure on my shoulders, but I could go out and
make plays, you know, at my own on doing U
Ran let me ask you, in your opinion, who is
the best receiver in the game. And we talked about
this before the show. It's this decision is harder now
than it was five years ago. Our tens fifteen years a. Yeah,
(41:00):
it's ridiculous, and I mean especially as the game gets
more spread out and in the rockets passed around. I'm
a lot more right. You're looking at so many guys
like the first guy that pops in mind when you
say who is the best receiver in the game, the
first guy that pops into my mind. And I'm not
saying this is the guy, but des Bryant immediately on
like dead at is a beast. But that being said,
(41:21):
what I look at when I look at this is
not necessarily who's the best, but who's the most fun
to watch? And there are some young guys that are
really really am having a good time watching DeAndre Hopkins,
chief among him. The way that dude plays the game,
I mean literally, And Brock I said this the other day, said,
look with with New anything you throw in his direction,
I don't think he there's such thing as an uncatchable
(41:43):
ball for him. And then you watch his high huge
it's insane, and he's so smooth and and this isn't
a guy that like jumps off the tape to you
as an absolute burner. He's not the quickest guy, he's
not the fastest guy, he's certainly not the strongest guy,
but consistently makes these highlight real catches, and that's a
lot of fun. Another guy who I don't think it's
(42:05):
credit he deserves, who's a ton of fun to watch
is Jarvis Landry. He's so much fun to watch. Another
guy that just catches everything that comes his way. So
those are two players I have a lot of fun watching.
I think DeAndre Hopkins can certainly be in the discussion
as a top five receiver. Jarvis isn't quite there yet,
but he's certainly in the discussion for elite receivers in
the game. In my opinion, I love Antonio Brown. Yeah,
(42:28):
he's my guy. He's the best receiver in the league.
But like you said, he's not the tallest, fastest, strongest,
but he's such a good playmaker and he gets double
and triple teams and just continues to get open. People
really don't appreciate how good of a route runner he is,
but he's one of the best in the game. It's crazy,
Peter Crazy. You gotta mention Julio is a monster. And
(42:50):
then there's a J and then there's oh b J.
Like there's so many guys, like you can't really say
there's one can guy. But I have to we're running
out of time here. Let's do this real quick. Give
us your top three, ran, give us your top three.
You go. I'm going right now. An Tonio's number one,
(43:10):
Oh man, this is tough days. Healthy is my number two?
Um number three? I gotta go Julio, all right, you
got t d I gotta lory my way out of
this one. Bro said, I can't take positions in a
hard line, so I'll just I'll just say it's difficult
to argue that those are three of the best receivers
(43:32):
in the game. And then I would add in like
I said, Uh, if you look at Daz, if you
look at DeAndre Hopkins, this is crazy to me. Guys,
we've been talking about this to five minutes and Odell
Beckham has not come up. He's Odell. O'Dell is a
great receiver. But if you're telling me that you would, uh,
ten times out of ten choose Odell after Daz, We'll
(43:55):
probably just have to agree to have a fundamental disagreement
if you, I mean, I'm sorry before friends getting a
lawyer on us. O man, man, Odell makes those plays.
You can't sit there and put the pressure on us.
Give me your and finally goes to three. Antonio Brown
is the number one man. That dude is a splash
(44:16):
reel waiting to happen. He's like Steph Curry of the
of the NFL. I'll go odell number two. Man, what
that guy has been able to do his first two
seasons game after game, put up those numbers and still
get better. He's legitabug athlete, makes crazy plays. And number
three I almost agree with you though. A healthy dad
is a monster. He's he's a force to reckon, to
(44:37):
be reckoned with. So that would be that would be
my three. I can dig it, man, that's what's up? Man?
All right? Well, TD, I know you got a sound
bite scored to do this right, give me some my lead.
I'll never fight another fellow stuff as Jones. Not even
that big old bad sonthing left? Is he on? Next fight?
Well after I now late this hind the coop. I
want that bad bad What can happen? He might be great,
(44:59):
but he'll fall. And eight I'm the priest fight in
the ring today. That's my label, the rellist man. All right?
So or not? Yep? Time for or now? Where I
ask you guys a question and you tell me whether
you're with it or no. So this week's topic is
I know you guys saw the Warriors of two. Oh,
(45:21):
let me get through it. The Warriors of two against
the Cabs. It's been so dominant that the story lines
really have been you know, Steph celebrating on the bench,
was talking to a woman on the bench name are
the soccer player Namorro soccer player. Was kicking in with
the Warriors after the game. And then also in the
fourth quarter of the third quarter of the game doing
(45:41):
a blowout, there was this Instagram model, as the kids
like to say, I G model that was looking at
Steph Curry. Once again, let the kids say, willing to
risk it all? And that was that was caught on Twitter.
That was called on Instagram and a lot of people
have fun with that, where hey, people say, please play
pray for Steph Curry man because he's a target right now.
(46:04):
And uh, so again, should we pray for Steph Curry?
Do we need to pray for Steph Curry or not? Absolutely?
Did you see that she was looking at me? Listen man?
Uh where was aish? I had to be scoping from
the side she had she had that Oh my god,
it's real out here. I got this post. I'm just
(46:24):
reading no dispeck to this young woman. I don't know her,
and I'm not saying that she is uh got or
anything like that. But people are clever online. So they
got the picture and they put it up and she
is looking as seductive as ever. And then the quote is,
when you've gotten past all the thoughts on i G,
now you must battle the final boss. Stop. That's a
(46:50):
great one. That's a good one. Another one was, hey,
let's stop the game right now, I have a play
play the i G model one on one. Basketball's crazy.
I'm gonna just say this, bro, like it's real in
the field, like it gets especially for hoopers though. See
at least in football, there's some distance between you and
(47:13):
the sidelines, right you guys all be on face masks
with basketball players. As you see, here's the end of
the bench and here's or girl that he was chopping
up with, whoever the player was. He was just having
a casual conversation right right, which is crazy, which is crazy.
But it was funny though, because you know she came
out afterwards and said, look, I was just trying to
have a sip of my drink. And uh and just
provide you know, the warriors with little motivation. So of
(47:34):
course her I G account became this thing that folks
started publicizing and whatnot. And you know it's clear that
she is uh energy attention, you know what sis attention.
So but look, yes, pray for that, man, because you
think about that, you're dealing with that all times. He
probably did not notice her then, but the middle of
the regular season, I bet you noticed a lot more
(47:57):
other than the stands. He's super focused. Man. Yeah, it's crazy, man. Listen.
Uh that that right there is UH is the prime
example of how real it gets. And social media doesn't
let that stuff slide at all. Like my boy said,
social media is undefeated and they will always win when
(48:18):
it comes to any picture that lands in their hands. Um.
That that's is that all the r and all we
need man. That that's it. Man, listen, Ran, I appreciate
you joining me. That's a fun show. We gotta do
it again, bro, we always just more often. Um, come
back and tell some stories and and and fill us
in on what's going on in the league. T D.
I appreciate you dropping the Ali sound bites. Rest in
(48:39):
peace to the goat. The greatest of all time. This
is the R and B Podcast. Man, thank you for
joining us. Um remember tune in, subscribe iTunes, retweet, Twitter, comment,
spread the word are and B hashtag R and D
B and let us know. Man, I told you this
is the show, but we wanted to be the actual
uh set meant on TV and we're gonna make this
(49:02):
a movement. It's really than ever. Thank you for joining us.
What would you like people to think about you when
you've gone. I'd like for them to say he took
a few cups of love. He took one tablespoon of patience,
one tablespoon teaspoon of generosity, one pint of kindness. He
(49:22):
took one quart of loft, one pinch of concern, and
then he mixed willingness with happiness. He added lots of faith,
and he stirred it up well. Then he spread it over,
expanding a lifetime, and he served into each and every
deserving person he met than you
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