R&B: Peyton vs. Cam & Bow Wow interview

With Michael Robinson out, Nate Burleson is joined by NFL Network producer Shaneika Dabney-Henderson to discuss the growing female fan base in the NFL, debate Peyton Manning's legacy vs. Cam Newton's impact and if the Pro Bowl matters to players. Plus, Nate goes 1-on-1 with Bow Wow (39:10) talking football, music, acting and more. Send your questions to the show with #RandB!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's named Burlison. I'm holding it down this week for
the R and B Podcast. Let's go yeah, oh no, no, yeah,
Well I had a one day not I really trying
to go, trying to go by my lady. I dressed

(00:24):
out for a night on the town now, but now
ain't going down. See now, baby, I got some stats
for you and I was some real players, super specil
fast for your teacher at this game go down. As
they analyzed the winners, they might show my name out
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Show Show the Tune a season long. Oh man that
never gets old. Wow, yeah, I know, wow exactly. Welcome
to the RMP Podcast. Props the Shot Infinite for the
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is the R and B Podcast, the show with sports talk,

(01:07):
life lessons music from at Producer TV. We got no
micro rob today. Shout out to Mike. He's at home.
I'm holding down the forth. He'll be back next week
in San Francisco during our Lives super Bowl festivities. So
joining us today. It's a very special guest from behind

(01:29):
the scenes, the incredibly talented senior producer from NFL Total
Access Ms Nika Dabney Henderson, or as I like to
call her, or we'll start calling her now SDH. What's
going on, SDH, Welcome to the R and B Podcast. Wow,

(01:50):
sd this is a movement. I played a little role,
a little role. See, we already anticipated the humble approgram
for everybody listening. This isn't a humble role that she's
trying to play down. She is a big part of
what we do here. Um. Obviously you know NFL Total Access.

(02:12):
She always has her fingers in her hands in that
R and B podcast, the R and B Hotline. Um,
you're gonna play humble most of the time here today,
but I'm not gonna let you. But before we get
to that, coming up on today's show, I gotta tell
the people what they can expect. We have a Super
Bowl preview, obviously the R and B hotlineline, which is, uh,

(02:37):
you're doing right, Okay, I can respect that. Facts mark that, um,
and later we're gonna play back in interview from the
one Only Bow. Wow. Uh. It's a video on YouTube,
but you guys might not have heard it. So We're
gonna play it back at the back end of this show.
Before I get today, I gotta do my quick p
s A. Please make sure you keep supporting us our

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YouTube videos subscribe coming on iTunes and Stitcher. Now, before
we get to our super Bowl talk and R and
B hotline this week, SDH, is there a subject that
you would like to touch on, because I feel like
there is. Before we get into old that, how about
we just you know, allow her to introduce herself, you know,

(03:20):
like I know, I know you have a career. You
have a great career to this point. Yeah, of course
right here, but you know, introduce yourself to the people,
all right, So um, SDH, just forget all that other
ge that's too long. I'm sh Um, senior producer on
Total Access. But the story of what kind of got
me here is what's interesting, and it's kind of my

(03:43):
lifelong love hate relationship with the game of football from
New Orleans born and res Saints fan And as you
might imagine, that comes with a lot of drama, a
lot of emotion, a lot of pain, ups and downs.
There's been some ups and downs, a lot of downs,

(04:05):
a lot of downs. And I'm the third of three girls.
My dad realized it's not gonna happen. This is gonna
have to be my boy, the baby of three, and
I had to be the boy. So was hoping it
was last one. Let's let's keep it real real. I

(04:25):
was an accident, Okay. I was like, oh, we just
got back from a trip to Houston and this happened.
Maybe it'll be a boy. That didn't happen. So I
had the task of watching my Saints play with my
dad and seeing what he was going through, and it
sucked me into this game. It's a beautiful game. There

(04:46):
are so many levels to football, and I've witnessed it
on so many different levels of how it can take
you from the highest of highs to the lowest of lows,
just as a fan, and I remember getting older still
being in love with the game, understanding it more. My
team would lose, I'd go to the club, I'd be

(05:07):
upset and the players would be like, you know, they're
popping bottles, they're dancing, and I'm depressed. You lost the game.
Why am I mad? But that's kind of how it
is as a fan, as you you invest a lot
into it, you know the players. Of course you guys
invest your time, you invest your bodies, But as fans,
we invest in that too, and and and I think

(05:29):
a lot of people underestimate the passion of the fan.
The tears shed now before you keep going. So me,
I was the type of guy after I lost the game,
I would fall into a lightweight depression. I would just
sit in my room and all the emotions you felt
as a fan, like, that's what I would feel like.
So I didn't want to be seeing her from or
talk to until we won again, right, because that was

(05:50):
the whole point. But I wanted to kind of hit
on what you just said as a fan when you
saw that, like when you saw guys out and about
acting as if they literally didn't huh how did that? Oh?
They got approached by me in the ground like they
thought I was coming over about to get my griefy on,
you know, yeah, Like what's that? Boy? I was like,

(06:11):
hold up, So, okay, it's third and five. You know
it's coming to you. You're not lined up properly on
the line, right, you're not running the right route. You
don't allow yourself to get open. You. I know it's
coming to you. So I know, you know it's coming,
and they're like, wait a minute, boot, whoa whoa, whoa

(06:32):
whoa whoa whoa whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. I remember talking
to a quarterback. I won't name him, although I really
want to. Who don't worry Mike rob Wood, but he's
probably got a little more cloud that in that realm.
I remember him telling me something like, um, hold up,

(06:52):
hold up, why are you rough in the pastor like
he started using all these football cliches. It was the
most hateful conversation I think I've ever had in my life. Yeah,
because he was still trying to like kind of get
his holler on, and I'm like, dude, I'm not talking
to you from like a potential boo perspective. This is
from an angry fan. Yeah. And then and then hold up.

(07:17):
And then a friend of mine who was a male friend,
came over and he's like, whoa, whoa too many men
on the field. That's exactly what those are words that
wish I wish this conversation. Would you have punched him
in the face the way I would, I would have
thrown the flag on the field. He's going unnecessary talking exactly.

(07:40):
It was crazy. Is that most fans feel that way though,
like even to the extreme that like if a player
tweets out something after a game and they lose, they're like, oh,
what are you doing talking about your dinner or what
are you doing hanging out with your family? Like shouldn't
you be as mad as I am? And I think
for the majority guys are. But then there I'll keep

(08:03):
it rough with you. There is a group of individuals
I would say of guys that they don't care, like
it's just a win or a loss, that's it. They
don't even live in the city that they work in.
They just collected check and then after they collected check,
and after the season ends, they go right back to
where they're from. So the attachment to the emotions that

(08:26):
you as a fan field, most guys don't. But I
just feel like it's work. Listen, if I put on
a bad show, I'm gonna go home and it's gonna
sit with me, you know, it's I'm gonna stew in
it for a little bit because I have pride in
what I do, and so I feel like that should transfer. Listen,
Fans take it too far a lot of times. A
lot of times fans take it too far, But I

(08:50):
think that players don't always understand there is an emotional investment,
and it's easy to discount a fan perspective and be like, well, look,
i'm the one on the field, I'm no one doing,
but I'm the one who was all investing in this team.
Fans keep the team emotionally, financially, everything. So obviously, um,

(09:11):
you being a female and they're being a rising uh
female demographic in this game, and it seems like it's
getting bigger and bigger every year. Now, you grew up
in it, like you watch your pops, you know, toil
over wins and losses and heartaches, and you you've seen
his emotions change if the Saints want, I'm pretty sure

(09:31):
he was just a little bit right exactly, you know,
and if he lost, it was kind of like he's
in a phone. So, um, you came in at different
So talk about like the female who grew up in it,
who you know, some might label as a tomboy, and
then talk about the female who just wants something to do.

(09:53):
They're just buying the jersey because it's the popular choice, right.
I think there's room for both, and I think it's
unfair when people get upset about women wearing, you know,
cute stuff to a game. You can do that if
you want to do that. There are the women who
are into the stats and they're watching the highlights, and
they are taking this game from a very serious viewpoint.

(10:15):
There are women who are casual fans, as there are
men who are casual fans, and so I don't think
women should feel a need to put themselves into a
certain box to be counted as fans. I started a
blog in two thousand seven strictly for female fans, and
it was interesting to me the different types of women
who were drawn to this blog. Some of them very

(10:36):
casual watchers, and they would watch the game because their
husband or their boyfriend was into it. And there were
some who were I mean, they would rip you to
shreds on stats and on this play that play. There
are so many and I think it's great that the
league is finally starting to embrace all of these women.
I would love if there was a even bigger and
I think that's coming approach to the female fan than

(10:58):
merchandizing and targeting them with jerseys and so forth, but
actually embracing them as fans of the game and as
people who know their stuff and who are into it
on not just the surface level, because those women are
there and they're they're in huge numbers. We women make
up now almost fifty of the league's fan base. Wow,
that is amazing. And to stay taking a step further

(11:20):
now we're seeing women being involved in not just operations
behind the scenes, but you're on the field, bills, Um,
you know organization who hired was at Katain Smith right,
first female full time assistant coach. He's a special team's
quality question they control And so as a female, how

(11:42):
do you feel about that? Because I'll talk on a
couple of basis because I hear fans and I like
to listen to them because I think it's funny. Sometimes
they're spot on, and sometimes, as you know, they can
be over exaggerated in their argument. And male fans will say, well,
she never played the game, so why is she coaching?

(12:04):
And these are fans that never played the game, So
I'm thinking, how could you say that? And then there's
guys that say, well, if she has the knowledge and
if you look at a resume, she's been with organizations previously, this,
if she worked with Rex Ryan, if I'm not mistaken
previous to this, so she knows football operations probably better

(12:25):
than most fans do. Mail or female so um talk
about her being hired, and I guess the perception that
you know, people are approaching that. I think that listen,
football is it's gonna follow the same path as life.
Women have to kind of prove themselves in different regards.
It doesn't have to be a sport. You can be

(12:46):
working your way up in the Clorox industry and you
have to prove yourself on a different level. And so
you know, football is just a microcosm of the world
that we live in. So women are a part of
that minority base that's always going to have to I
notice it just being behind the scenes in sports that
there are those moments where people feel a need to

(13:07):
sideways be quizzing you on your knowledge to make sure
that you're up on your game, and you have to
prove you've got to go a little bit further than
maybe some of your male counterparts, where it may be
taken for granted, this dude doesn't really know that much,
but because he's a guy, he's gonna be given a
certain amount of credit camouflage himself exactly within the male demographic,

(13:27):
and I see it all the time. There would be
a group of individuals, all guys, and there's usually like
if it's ten of us, there's usually two or three
guys that are just there. They're just there because they
want to be involved, because their peers pressured them into
coming to the game, and they don't care. They don't
even know who they're watching, guys on the team, what
division they're in. So it's funny to me because as

(13:51):
a player, um, we don't have prejudice because I feel
like if you're showing up to support me for the
strongest reason or the weakest and all I see is
your support, right, I don't try to dive into why
you're there. Um, I try to give you a show.
Because you're there. There's room for everybody, so I don't
know why there has to be you know, and especially

(14:11):
behind the scenes and what we see happening with coaching.
What I'm really hoping is that we get to a
point where women being behind the scenes in football is
not a story that would be awesome because that means
it is now so normal and so embraced and so accepted.
It's shrug, you know, it's just another day in the NFL.
Of the notable coaches that once held the job that

(14:33):
Katherine Smith now has, Jon Gruden, Eric Manini, Tony Sparano,
and Todd Hailey. Which is important to note for the
people who kind of like shrug this off, is she's
getting thrown some you know. Yeah, well it's not really
a coaching job. Yeah, it's facts and um san Antonio
Spurs coach. There's a female on the staff in the NBA,

(14:56):
so this isn't like out of the norm for sports
in general. So uh, it's it's I think it's a
good thing. It's a good thing for sport, especially when
you say that the female fan base makes up almost
fifty percent. That is a mind blowing nut. It's mine.
It was it was like ten years ago, and every
year a percentage just keeps adding and adding and adding.

(15:19):
And in terms of Super Bowl viewership, it's half and half.
I mean, women are right there watching it as much
as men are. Awesome, all right, now, TV, usually you
have a beat for me and Mike, but today you
don't have a beat. You got a question. So I'm
thinking content here. We got a superdooer producer in the house,
but I want to know biggest storyline heading into Super

(15:39):
Bowl fifty Payton potentially ending his old time career with
a Super Bowl or Cam Newton breaking the mold and
winning his first. I mean, obviously Cam is on like
any other quarterback we've ever seen in Super Bowl. He's
not shy about it. You've seen his new Beats commercial.
That's kind of hot. So what's what will be the
biggest story line for the NFL for sports in general,

(16:01):
It's gotta be Peyton. For me, it's got to be Peyton,
And I think that it has to do with, um, listen,
Peyton has this opportunity to end his career in this
storybook fashion Cam Newton. We haven't even begun to see
what this guy is going to accomplish in the league.

(16:21):
And so while listen, if he wins, I think it
would be awesome. And I think, um, you know, particularly,
and I've seen this a lot, and I agree that
I think for someone who breaks the mold, the quarterback mold,
in the way that he does, he's not afraid to
be confident, he's not afraid to dab on him whenever
he wants to. I think that's great that he can

(16:41):
be himself he's a black quarterback, he's a young quarterback.
For him to be able to accomplish something like this
would be huge. At the same time, the drama of
the NFL, the patent legacy, this patent storyline, and we've
all been following benched come back, lead your team us.
I mean, come on, this is like a movie. It's

(17:03):
like a movie. It is like a movie. And I
feel you on that when it comes to Peyton Manning,
like every player would love to write their own ending.
You know, it is storybook. It's the classic. Alright, I'm
gonna ride off into the sunset with the Super Bowl Trophy,
the Lombardi Trophy and possibly the m v P. Pat

(17:23):
me on the back. I retire, and that is what
every legend would love to do. But at the same time,
when you look at Cam Newton and what he did
this year, it's almost like you want him to be
rewarded for his efforts. Like Peyton Manning, he leads the
league and touchdowns during the season in postseason at sixty one,

(17:45):
and that was in two thousand thirteen. Cam Newton is
already number ten on that list with fifty. So the
effort in which you put in thirty eight passes for
TVs and twelve rushing tds. I don't think there's been
a guy that has put a team on his back
in such a way that Cam has done it. So

(18:06):
Cam's already his stars. I guess you would almost say
he's a superstar because he has a whole generation of
white black Asian air kids dabbing, swagging. He's brought a
different element to the fan base, the youth. So for me,
if he wins this, he goes into a whole different category.

(18:29):
And I don't even know what's past superstardom, but you're
talking that category of you know, Jordan's where you know,
this generation, they're gonna respect Cam for something other than
being just a really good regular season quarterback. If he wins,
this separates him from not only his peers, but even
the legends, you know what I mean, Like Peyton has

(18:51):
was it one super Bowl? Right? And Russell Wilson has
one super Bowl. Cam wins this super Bowl, He's the
conversation already. There's also a different type of quarterback to
It's a different type of quarterback, and I think it
could be argued he's in the conversation. Whether he wins
or loses because of the type of season that he's
had and because of the way he has carried his team.

(19:13):
If the Panthers weren't to win this Super Bowl, I
think he is still in that conversation of elite quarterback.
The way he runs the ball, the way he throws
the ball, the way he makes these wide receivers who
you know generally aren't gonna be regarded as top tier
wide receivers look like it. There's definitely like an on
field aspect of this was also a cultural off field

(19:34):
aspect to this. I mean, because of Cam, especially if
he goes on to win the Super Bowl, the next
Lebron James might end up playing quarterback. He's what I'm saying, Like,
that's that. I mean, that's the whole next generation of
Like if you were six six to fifty before, you're like, yeah,
I haven't played small forward, and now it's like, man,
I could be Cam Newton. So there's a I mean,
my due respect of the paying legend, the paying best
football in mind I've ever seen in my generation, my lifetime.

(19:56):
There is a nice story beginning to that, but there's
a story be ending to and there's that Listen Peyton
got his ring. But you know what everybody says about Peyton,
even with that one, he just got that one. Eli
got to ring. Oh he don't show up in the
big game all he didn't lost this mone. I mean
there is something bigger there with Peyton. And like I said, Cam,

(20:17):
like we are just seeing scratching this guy. He's not
going anywhere. He's not going He's not going anywhere. But
you know, it's it's a good point that TD brings
up because you got a new generation of athletes that
are coming in and say you are six five and
your two forty, and your coach says, hey, what do
you want to focus on? Instead of a guy automatically

(20:38):
thinking well, I'm gonna play small forward to power forward
in high school or I'm gonna play d N and
rushed the quarterback, this young athlete, regardless of the color
of a skin, of saying you know what, I want
to play quarterback. I can throw the ball, I'm athletic,
I'm good at my feet, I have skills, I can
see the field, so now I could dabble. So for me,

(21:03):
that's that's gonna be interesting to see over the next
ten to fifteen years. Is the impact of Cam changing
the game, because we've seen this before. We've seen Randall
Cunningham come in and change the game, Warren Moon, you know,
tall athletic black quarterbacks, and then Mike Vick came in
and just torture this league. I mean, undersized quarterback who

(21:27):
was unstoppable. Now Cam is doing that six inches taller
and fifty pounds heavier, which for a generation of young
athletes really puts not only the kid in the position
to make a really crucial decision, but as a parent,
for me, I have eleven year old little Nate, who
is he has a phenomenal athlete. Just this past weekend,

(21:49):
he starts off the game. He's snatching balls, he's playing
flag football, He's jumping over dudes. He's looking at the
ref talking about I got p I I'm thinking to myself, man,
at eleven years old, I wish I had his skill set.
My wife ran track, I played football. So the genetic
code is firing and he's electric like fast and he
gets it. Then I have my nine year old who

(22:11):
it's almost as tall near May is almost as tall
as him, and he's twenty five pounds heavier. This boy
eats like there's no stopping he and I and I,
you know, they battle each other, and Nate has a
big brother kind of complex over him. But I whispered
to near my like, hey, you know you're bigger than him,
Like you can, you can fight back, And I try

(22:32):
to create this like sibling rivalry that I had grown
up with four boys. And I'm thinking to myself, Nate
could grow easily to be six to six three right
and be a very dynamic dB, a wide receiver near Mayah. Genetically,
just looking at his growth right now, he could be
six five six six, So when he was first born,

(22:52):
I'm like, he's a big kid. Maybe he's going to
be a tight end. And to your point, TV, I'm
looking at myself and now I'm thinking I want him
to play quarterback. I want Nea Maiah to be a
sophomore throwing to his big brother as a senior at
wide receiver because of how tall he's in his skill
set and near my place flight football, he's played three

(23:13):
weeks in a row, he has three interceptions and two
of them to the house. So for how big he is,
he's athletic. And because I've watched Cam Newton and even
Russell Wilson in this new generation of the new athletic
dual quarterback. Even as a football father, I've changed my
view on what I want my son to be. Don't

(23:34):
you think they're beyond the because I feel like their
parents and their kids young athletes who thought they could
be quarterback, but from a scouting and coaching perspective, people
didn't really think they fit into that quarterback mold. And
that what Cam will do will help the folks are
making these decisions to bring kids and see them as
a potential quarterback in a way that they wouldn't have

(23:55):
When you look at some of these players who maybe
they played quarterback all through high school and they get
to college and then it put into a different position
because they don't fit that quarterback mole. Now, when you
have the success of people like Cam, these guys are
going to get a second look and get an opportunity
that maybe they wouldn't have. And that's huge and I
think that's gonna happen regardless of what happens in the
super Bowl. Cam has already left his mark. Honestly, he's

(24:16):
already left his mark on this. There's nothing that he
can do at this point. That will take away what
he's already contributed. And like you said, he is just
getting started. So we obviously have to say goodbody, because
you're a busy woman. I see you everywhere. I feel
like I'm busy, but you're constantly per network, so respect
we do have to say, well, but could you possibly

(24:38):
stay just quickly for for sure. So obviously this is
one of your babies and it's a huge part of
the show and I absolutely love it. So um t
d we we got somebody calling it so Michael's seven,
just shut d you know what I mean. I'm actually
on the show's things. My first question is playing here

(25:02):
about the Pro Bowl anymore? My NFL player was really
striving to get into the Pro Bowl. NBA players are
really striving to get into the astar From me, first
of all, respect to you guys behind the glass. He said,
I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna show things song you're here. Yeah,
I like that. I can't say a little DiAngelo. Right, Okay,

(25:22):
let's get let's get your thoughts real quick. Get her
thoughts on the Pro Bowl? What do you as a fan? Um?
And I hate saying a fan because it sounds so fan,
but like, as somebody that loves the game, how do
you feel about what the Pro Bowl was and what
it is now? Before we let you go? Man, it's interesting.
It's interesting because the Pro Bowl, you know, I think

(25:43):
for one, that it's helped that they moved it to
come in between, you know, playoff the f C NFC
championship game in the super Bowl instead of it being
after because I think after the Super Bowl, a lot
of people just sort of check out, right, you know,
either you're mad about what happened, you know, you're a
little salty, or you're still and you're high. So I
think that that has helped. With that said though, if

(26:04):
you want to see the best of the best, which
is what the Pro Bowl is supposed to be, but
the best of the best is playing in the Super
Bowl and you can't see them, you know what I mean,
it's tough. It's tough. So you're automatically thinking that I'm
not watching, That's what I mean. So many in the
most political way possible. Yeah, that's kind of what I'm saying.

(26:26):
Is there any way that you think the league can
fix that? I mean, I think you know what I
think has helped what they've done is they've made it
more theater by having this draft drafting the place. I mean,
I remember watching that at home and just falling over laughing.
For one, I felt like like my feelings were kind
of hurt for the people who got drafted drafted last,

(26:48):
and you're sitting in that little tent, you know, yeah,
like if they're fanning themselves, they're looking at the snacks
like scourge. And I mean that I felt some type
of way about it for them. But you were watching it,
but I was watching it, and so I think, like
I said, I think that element of drama, the theatrics
of it, that that's helped for sure. That's what's up. Well, SDH.

(27:10):
I appreciate you joining me, Um, thank you for being
hands on and this is I'm going into my second
year and obviously I do a few things here at
the network, and you've always been there, especially as soon
as you joined on here. So thank you one for that,
and thank you for joining the show and help. Ut
of course, thank you and thank you too. Well. Mike's
not here, but thanks to my you got what you

(27:31):
have done and how you guys have taken over this
or it's more than when we were just talking about
it in a meeting. It's more than we ever thought
it woul could be. You guys are just branded it
and made it your own thing. And um, I can't
wait to see where this. I can't wait to be
like I knew him when he won't remember this is
going to be a show and that's going to be movie.

(27:51):
You're going to be the war there, you know what
I mean. It's gonna ask her so Burlison like, I'm
not gonna get invited. But it's all good. This is
the crew, right, the gang, just the R and B gang. Alright, Alright,
that's what's up. Shanika joining us spitting knowledge about the

(28:11):
fan base in New Orleans once again, huge thanks to
Shanika hey k SDH for joining us. Uh it was.
It was really refreshing to get her perspective not only
as a producer, a super producer, um, but as a
female fan who's been watching and uh staying close to

(28:33):
the sports since she was a child. I love hearing that.
So let's get back to this Pro Bowl question from
Shop in DC my man Mr the theme song. He
was asking if the Pro Bowl is something that players
are excited about? You are they striving for I'll say
this one. Yes, every player wants to make it to

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the Pro Bowl, without a doubt. Even if they don't go,
they want that nod. They want to have that title, UM,
that invitation, if you will. So not only do they
have that on their resume, but other players in the
league they get to see that. Their peers get to
see that what I've seen as of lately. And you know,

(29:18):
I was talking to Ladani and Thomas and yesterday and
we were just talking about the Pro Bowl and kind
of how it's changed and that you get so many
alternates that joined the game late. It doesn't seem like
the original players, just like Shanika was saying, the Superstars,

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UM don't have that opportunity. So when you look at
the NBA, the NBA All Star Game, it's a who's
who of who's lighting the league up. It comes in
the middle of the season. They promoted heavy. We always
know what CD it's in. There's always a buzz about it.
And you look at this game and you sit there

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and you watch, and leading up to it, you got
the three point contest, a dunk contest, and skills contest,
and then you have the game, and without a doubt,
it's the best players by far, it's the best players.
If your favorite player or the best player isn't playing
the game, it's because he's injured. Because of the super
Bowl format, in the Pro Bowl format, there's guys that

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have to say no, I can't join this game. So
then as a fan, you're thinking, well, I wanted to
see Cam Newton more than anything. I think people are like, well,
you know, I love Peyton Manning. I would I would
have loved to have seen him. I would have loved
to have seen Cam Newton, Josh Norman with their energy
and and Keick Lee the way that he's playing, and
Thomas Davis, all these individuals. I think the Panthers have

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ten Pro bowlers, so you're basically taking ten guys and
they're all saying we can't do it because we have
better things to do, which is fine. You know, they
have the super Bowl and kudos to them, and they
definitely uh have to focus on that. But as a
fan you're thinking, Okay, well, these replacements quote unquote might

(31:09):
not be the guys that I wanted to see, So
that might pull you from watching the game intently. That
might stop you there's a tremendous fan base, maybe you know,
all of North Carolina who might check out from watching
this game because all of their favorite players are playing
in the Super Bowl and not in the Pro Bowl. Now,

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on the flip side of the coin, I have to
say this as I'm getting notifications on my phone of
the guys that are making the Pro Bowl, Richie Incognito, Bridgewater,
all these different individuals that were alternates and get that
nod and get that call. I can appreciate that because
I was once an alternate. One year I led the

(31:50):
league in pump returns and I thought I was no doubt,
I'm one of the best returners in the NFC. I'm
killing the dudes in Seattle. Literally felt on stoppable. They
had three returns that year. But it just so happens
that Devin Hester was in NFC in Chicago getting busy. Man,
I'm looking at this dude like, bro chill out, Like

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I get a return, he get a return. I get
a return, he gets two returns. So when the season ended,
they're like, well, Nate, yeah, we're gonna have to give
you this alternate nod because uh, Devin Hester, he had
an unbelievable year. What I do. I tipped my hat
off to him, I said, I appreciate it. So as
an alternate, yeah, I would have loved to have got
that nod. I would have loved to went out to
Hawaii and and show my family a good time and

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did my thing as a returner, but it didn't happen.
So I can see fans perspective and saying like, well,
my favorite players aren't always in this game, so I
don't want to watch it. And then I can see
the player's perspective, who who cares who's actually playing in
the Pro Bowl compared to who's playing in the Super Bowl.
It's still an amazing event, you know, with the draft

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and having Earv and Carter and having you know, the energy.
It still matters to the players one hundred percent. Doesn't
matter to the players, Yes we care about it. If
you don't play it, we want to not. If you're
an alternate, you're waiting for the guy who's in front
of you to make it as far as possible, or
even injuries like Carson Palmer. Carson's like, man, you know,

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I'm i gotta let this finger hell up. I don't
I'm not gonna go out there. Always missed it. Yeah,
there was a year where Randy Moss didn't get the knot.
And I play with Randy in Minnesota and I remember
him just lighting the league up. It might have been
oh three or oh four and he got the knot
and I'm like, yo, you know, I'm still a little fanboy.

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I'm like, yo, Randy, and what's up, man, You're going
through the Pro Bowl, buddy. And he just kind of
looked at me like, nah, they did me wrong one year,
so I'm not gonna go out there and help promote
this game when you guys shafted me. And I thought like, man,
that is the boldest thing ever, Like this is the

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those gangster decision like any superstars made. Because from a
young guy's perspective, I'm like, the Pro Bowl is in.
If we're not in the Super Bowl, the Pro Bowl
is the bees knees. And Randy's like, nah, they robbed
me one years the first time he didn't make the
Pro Bowl. That was the first time he didn't make
the Pro Bowl. And after that he was super hesitant

(34:21):
about going to the Pro Bowl. And I thought, man,
that's crazy. You want to talk about him, man, standing
on what he believes in Like that right there, blew
me away. It was one of the many moments in
my career playing next to Randy Moss where my level
of respect just grew and grew. Uh So, yeah, so
you know, to answer that in the longest way possible,

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all players care about the Pro Bowl. Played all sixteen games,
by the way, all sixteen games, eighty two catches, over
dumb numbers, ten touchdowns, and didn't make the Probos, didn't
make the Pro Bowl. And then he got voted in.
He was like, I'm not going how gangster is that
he didn't care it. Randy was like, now I'm about
the chill, I'm about go back home to v A
and I'm about the fish and relax, and we gotta

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get Randy. And I actually talked to him and I
told him we gotta get him more. He's over at Fox.
But shout out to Randy Moss man one of the
best to ever do it. Uh So, yeah, that that's
that's our should to day. T D we had a
quick show Mike Rob he me up yesterday and said, hey, bro,
I'm not gonna be able to make it into him.
I gotta get some things checked out. My man said

(35:27):
he's having migraines. And I said, Mike rob get that
checked out. My exact words was, I love you and
I'm gonna hold down the fort. He responded back, I
appreciate it. I love you too. And then he said this,
and I hope he doesn't mind me sharing it. He said, Uh,
I don't think people understand what we put ourselves through

(35:48):
in the impact that has on us after football. This
is right before I went on too Total Access and
I said, man, you're right, they don't understand. And if
I have a chance to tell him a little bit,
then I'll tell him. So for those who are listening, uh,
hit Mike rob up on Twitter, Man, shoot him some love.
My man is getting his migraines checked out. Um, you

(36:10):
gotta understand, man, Mike rob he played uh differently than
I did. I was a receiver, so I was on
the outside avoiding guys. Mike rob he didn't have the
choice to avoid anybody, so he was a banker. So
you gotta always hope and pray that Mike Robbers is healthy,
just like you gotta hope and pray that I'm healthy,
just like you. Gotta hope and pray every single play
that played this game remains healthy after they're done playing.

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Shout out to Mike rob he did play quarterback. Though
he did play quarterback bench. They give us a love
on Twitter. This up this weekend. Yeah, that's what's up man.
Shout out to Mike rob Man, my guy, the other
half of this R and B thing. Because R and
B without the art today that that's true. It's just
to be um. Always send us your questions, your thoughts,

(36:54):
your ideas hashtag R A N D B. I'm Matt
thirteen bros. And my man who ain't here it's at
real Mike rob Also send it your music. Hey, So
listen a couple of things you gotta check out Mike
stud Okay, we gotta check out Wisdom, who was my
man back home in Seattle, who's creating a track for
the show. So check out Wisdom. That's what w i

(37:18):
z d o. M hip hop head um. And then
hitting Man Holla who's from St. Louis battle rapper who's
on uh whiling out. He works out here in l
A for the show. That's my man. So these are
the guys that need to get on the show. Mike
Studd and hit Man Holler work out here in l A.
They want to come on. Mike stud was an All
American baseball player that went the duke and he went

(37:39):
in the hip hop. He made a song for his
team and after they fell in love with it. And
obviously he has a tremendous career, so shout out to him.
We're gonna get him on hit Man Holla. Battle scene
is crazy. I'm a big battle rap fan and he
works while on out, so maybe we can get him
to come through and possibly a couple of while and
out girls to uh laughing, we'll cant you lapping it though.

(38:03):
Golf clap to that, golf clap to that. Um. But
I talked to him yesterday so he definitely wants to
come on. He said whenever. So you know, I'll leave
that to y'all to make that happen. But also send
us your music, your beats. Remember how that at producer
TD and hit him up for the R and B Hotline.
Reach out to him. He'll walk you through it. Let
your voice be heard, um, and we will respond. We

(38:26):
had a few more and the hotline questions. We're not
able to get to it today. Obviously, with Mike Robb
being Now some of them were addressed to Mike Robs,
so we'll get them in the future though. All right, cool,
we'll shout out shout out to the R and B
hotline questions that we didn't get to. And now, as promised,
here is my one on one interview with none other
then bow Wow. My man is talking sports, he's talking money,

(38:49):
he's talking transition from hip hop to music to acting. Um,
he's talking Odell Beckham. How that's his boy. It's crazy
how celebs always got super celeb friends. Um, it's a
super duper tight knit community. He's talking ravens, acting, music
and more. So listen up. You will thoroughly enjoy this.
Uh here is me talking about Wow. Uh. I like that.

(39:19):
I know we got another beat coming up later. Yeah,
said he got bucks. I got got bucks. I appreciate that. TV.
So we're here, we're here right now, we're joined with
the presents. I'm gonna say, I'm I'm a hip hop fan. Bro.

(39:43):
So um, I'm gonna just say living legend of hip hop.
Now there's there's a lot of them, just like you know,
there's tons, but um, bow Wow, the world famous bow
Wow shot Moss. I'm gonna say bad for the fans
who know that, but shot Moss the actor. That's the
act of side, that's the actress side, the government side,
that's Brody Nelson side, exactly. Already know I can dig it.

(40:07):
So we're joining with your presence. I appreciate you joining
them and thanks for having me, and I appreciate it.
Right out the gate, um, I'm Nate Burlison. We're here,
we're doing this live. It's an honor. You know, you
just walked in, but I didn't really have time to
talk to you. I'm a hip hop fan, bro, and
I've been following my whole crop thirty four, so you know,
I grew up in the culture. I live it, I
breathe it. So right out the gate, I want to know,

(40:28):
just as a fan of your career, when did you
actually get started, Like I want to know, like the
actual foundation it was to start before the music, because
there's rumors that you was four or five six years old,
Like yeah, yeah, yeah, it's some truth to that rumor
what you heard. I was five years old. Uh, that's
when I kind of found the love for it, you

(40:50):
know it. Actually it's kind of funny. I started out
with comedy. First. It was comedy. Yeah, it was. It
was joking around and telling jokes to you know, my
mom's friends and before they would go out to you know,
enjoyed the night or whatever. And then it just you know,
ventured off into music. Then the first album I ever
had was in w A. You know, my mom is young,
so um, just playing a lot of music around the house.

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And that's kind of how it happened. I learned how
to put words together and you know, repeat these words
that I was saying, although it was probably words I
shouldn't have been repeating at the time, but uh but yeah,
I just it just came to me naturally and I
just picked up one and it was something that was
just you know, second nature that it all happened at five.
And then that's what Snoop discovered me. Snoop and Dre
discovered me around like eight six, and then, uh, I

(41:31):
never looked back after that. So from six up until
now I'm twenty eight, twenty nine in March, I haven't
looked back. And yeah, Snoop and Dre, because everybody knows
Snoop was kind of the big homie exactly always Dre
was there. Yeah, this was ninety three. I got a
picture um that I could show you actually on my phone.
I was six years old and standing on east side

(41:53):
was Dre right here. I had Snoop right here, a
young Snoop, eighteen year old Snoop, and we had a
doctor Dre right here with me in the middle. And
that's what started the whole You know, you talk about
legends and hip hop. That's what's up man, Alright, what
you talked about Snoop, I got a ton of stuff
I'm gonna ask you, so just get prepared for us.
You talk about I played with Randy moss I got

(42:13):
drafted the Minnesota Vikings. I played three years there. Randy
Mosses are living legend of me. I was a huge fan.
He was one of the best ever do and that
was a big homie, still is a big homie. And
he was the one that kind of taught me how
to be a pro, taught me how to make this money,
taught me how to brand myself. And you had Snoop
in your corner ving legend at the time and then
still a living legend. Talk about the influence that Snoop

(42:35):
has had on your career and how important he was. Yeah,
he had a lot of influence um into my career,
and you know, he's always giving me wisdom. You're talking
about the guy who who's been through and all you know,
hin through it all ups downs, been in one of
the biggest notorious record Llebels of all time, lived through real,
real hard times, real era of hip hop and UM

(42:56):
and not just in the business. This this is a
guy that calls me and we talk about life and
we kick game about everything. You know, it's more to
it than just the business or the music that's gonna
always be there, but it's the lifely stuff that really
mattered the game that he kicked me. If it's about women,
if it's about you know, me keeping my head up,
or you know, just regular little things that a big
homie post to do, um, you know, to lead his

(43:18):
little homie in the right direction, because like I said,
he's been here, he's seen it all, he's done it all.
So it's kind of like just leading me into that
right direction and giving me that wisdom that I needed. Actually,
Snoop is one of the best people in the game
to go to for that wisdom because he just gives
off that that aura, you know what I mean, He's like,
he's all geez giving off that he hasn't mastered Master. Well,
I mean, this is a sport, so and we're gonna

(43:39):
weave in and out of hip hop and sports. So
we're gonna jump right back into the NFL. So it
was just my team. Oh man, I rocked with the Ravens.
You feel me like I've been rocking the Ravens for
quite some time. I used to, I used to, you
know what I mean, go real hard for the Falcons
because that's why I was raised in Atlanta my whole life.
But back in the dirty bird ere yeah did, yeah

(44:01):
a little then and then when Vick came, that's the homie,
y'all got business together. Yeah, well we did, actually we did,
we did, and um good friend of mine and uh yeah,
when when Vick came, it was just we had the
most exciting dude at the time in football at that time.
Planning the city was incredible. And then when he left,

(44:24):
you know, it was just, you know, just it took
the heart out of the city and it really wasn't
the same no more. So I just kind of found
his new love with the Ravens and you know t sucks,
you know, get well home. It's one of my partners
right there, almost Sugar Ray Ray Lewis. That's that's family
right there, right right. He taught me a lot of
stuff too as well. And I just you know, hold

(44:46):
of the hold of you you from Ohio old. I
don't rock with the Browns. I don't rock with the Browns.
I respect that the history with the Browns um of course,
Jim Brown and you know, going and going. But the Bengals.
I tried to rock with the Bengals because yeah, and
let everybody, yeah, they had opportunities too. And I love

(45:07):
when when Chad was out there turning up, going crazy
with the celebrations. Oh man, it was it was, it
was on. It was on. I was like, okay, let
me there an hour and a half away from Columbus,
let me try to rock with them. Just my heart
went stick with him like that. So that's most people don't.
But you've been keeping the eye on Cincinnati and on Cleveland,
like Johnny Manziel. I checked him out last week. He

(45:29):
looked good, Yeah exactly, And I saw Bill was it
Bill Parcel. Bill Parcells has something to say about about
about Johnny Man sound a little bit but um yeah,
I mean he's definitely doing this thing. I feel like
Cleveland need that though. They need a spark. Yeah yeah,
because they got you know, they got Brown, but on
the football side, they needed something, you know, they needed

(45:51):
something sopefully Johnny could be that phone. That's what's uping Man?
All right, So who's your favorite NFL player at the moment.
It's gotta be the only man? Uh oh dazy, Yeah,
that's the that's my partner. Yeah, crazy crazy what what
what about his gun receiver? Bro? So you know, I
got an affinity for guys that's really nice at the

(46:12):
position and he's mastered it this early in his career. Crazy,
Um what is it about his game that you like?
I just think that he's um young, fast, blusive, quick. Um.
I told him last week Week one, he caught a
crazy pass. I don't even know. He caught it like
in between like two cats right there to put him
at the goal line. And I'm like, dog like, like

(46:33):
the routes you run and how you you know, just
get to him like that in the time and how
importantly time and is yeah yeah yeah it is? And
the acrobatic catches. He he tried to get Dallas again.
I told him, my sin, you try to get him
again for that one hand I saw. He was like
that was that when I did, I was thinking, I
was thinking top ten the whole time. I know you
probably was, but yeah, that's my dude, man, that's my partner.

(46:55):
Actually represented by the same by the same people on
the PR side. So we had a chance to actually,
you know, get a chance to do a lot of
stuff together, work together, stuff outside of the field and
outside of music that we had to collaborate with. And um,
good dude, young guy, and um, it's my partner, man,
all right. So I remember when you was young, said
that you was gonna go to Duke don't play basketball.

(47:18):
This is when this is when I was. I was
listening to baut when I'm like, okay, the young We're
about to go to Duke. I was like, okay, bad.
But but then what happened though, just I think it
was one, Obviously you're dumb famous, so you can't really
go to Duke and there evenally evenally get the heights
you needed to. Yeah, you got you. That's the problem. See,
Like when I would be at home, you'll be watching

(47:40):
stuff on TV. It looked like average size, pleap people.
Until you meet people in person, you like, damn, I
don't know. He was just tall and it's like, okay,
you know what, no, no, no, no, let me fall back.
This ain't let me and let me go in this
bed and let me go get on this acting tip
and then let me leave all the you know, athletics
stuff to you know that at least that do it

(48:00):
for real. You still gotta love for basketball. Love. That's
your passion, passion, and it really is. Yeah yeah, who's
your team and who's your favorite player? Right now? Um
my team in ball don't have a favorite team in NBA.
NBA is different for me. I just respect the game.
I love players. Um so talking like a true hooper. Yeah,
so I believe this year. I'm just a loyal dude.
So my my man lou Will, he was the sixth
man last year for the Raptors. He's now I hear

(48:22):
in l A caught that twenty piece real quick, twenty
three piece, My my bad little so don't slide. Yeah
yeah yeah, So so now we gotta just go hard
for the homie. So I'm all about rooting for my boys,
you know, my friends guys that you know, if not
in season, we hain't got we vaca together. You come
over with my crib. We chilled with barbecue, just real
little toy stuff. And I just support my boys and too,

(48:44):
right yeah yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, he does.
What's up? And James Harden one of your guys. Yeah,
yea favorite player. Hard Yeah, I'm always giving a hard time.
That's my guy too. Yeah, I can think it. Man.
So we're talking about Lou Williams, and he talked about
Odell Beckham, Um, you know, specifically on O'Dell's career, how
everything has hit him at once. It seemed like after

(49:06):
that catch, even though he was making plays before that catch,
after that catch, the world just opened itself up to
him as a young guy. You know, dumb money, famous
women want you, people wanting everybody pulling at you. You
help you. You handled that, you handled at a young
gage though these dudes. You was dealing with that before
you hit ten. Yeah, I think it's better that way, though,

(49:28):
It's better that way that the way you handled it.
Yeah yeah, yeah, to catch it early, you know, because
you're still a kid. So when they told me, like,
you know, you sold three million records. I'm like, okay,
what does that mean? You didn't know the gravity? Evern't
care like I just want to like where's the free Jordan's.
I don't care like I just you're saying it's easy though,
but like I'm made, I made some ms right, I'm

(49:50):
doing okay? And that got to my head. You was
a pre teen yea, one of the most recognizable people
in the world. You can't tell me that's easy to
I was having more fun with the fans and just
getting free clothes, and I was like, I get free
video games and free clothes, and like, no, but you're
nominated for this award. I don't I want my clothes,

(50:16):
you know. So that those type of things helped me
to this day to be as humble as I am
and still be down earf because those things never phazed me.
It never faced me to where I couldn't imagine going
from five and not being you know, discovered. And then
you put three men a three million dollar check in
my hand at twenty one. I never had it. I'm

(50:37):
definitely gonna blow the whole three million. Like I'm just
being honest. I'm just being out. I'm not gonna know
how to act, you know. So I gradually learned how
to how to you know, handle it and handle it
and handle and having guys like Snoop and Jamaine dupri
and them guys in my corner to coach me and
got me. It just added an extra little It was
like a cheat code to it. It was a cheat
code to learn from guys who's been doing it to

(50:58):
lay it down for me to not make see it,
see how feel you man? Like when I was in Minnesota,
I did all right. You know, I'm like a little
over a million dollars dollars over three years, right, and
then Seattle gave me a decent deal. They handed me
a check for four million dollars signed up on it.
So I'm like, this is crazy. Like I've always been
a dude. I'm just another guy that just happened to
make it right. And I appreciate the fact that the

(51:18):
league was able to pay me as much as they did,
and I'm able to take care of a lot of people.
And once they gave me that check, you know, the
government took a little oh you know, it was two
point four When I'm looking at this joint two point four.
I'm like, Yo, this is crazy. This is I'm a
grown man. So like you're saying you had a cheat code,

(51:38):
you're saying that you have people in your corner didn't
face you. But at some point did it hit you?
Like was it when you got older? Where when did
it hit you when you were Like yo, Like I'm
really one of the most recognizable people in the world, Like,
has come on, I had to hit you. I get it,
you humble bro. I get it. So crazy, I get it,
I think because I'm me, I don't see what everybody
else see because I got to I'm in this skin

(52:00):
every day. So it's kind of like it's weird to
That's something it's like to this day. I still like
I walk in Madison Square Garden sometimes, like if I
go to like a Knick game and I look up
and I'm like, I can't believe I actually sold this
out six times. This is ridiculous, And I'm like, no,
I know, I didn't do that. Like it's just weird.

(52:20):
I mean, it's like, was this supposed to happen or
was it not supposed to I don't know. It's just
so it's so weird. To me. So I never really
sit back and really think about it like that, but
certain stuff it hit me and I'm like, I just
can't believe I did that. Like I did that. You
just said something that's pretty deep, and I think that
a lot of players, athletes in general should hear that.
Um you said, you know, I don't see what everybody

(52:41):
else sees because I'm in the skin every day for God,
that's dealing with life and you know, and they got
the whole world in front of him. You can say
that to him and it hit like that just hit me,
like they don't don't see what everybody else see. You
win your skin everything. Yeah. It's like when I'm doing
something they called cut and they're like, yo, you killed
that in the first thing, says you sure you like that?

(53:02):
You want to take one more tape? No? No, no,
no no. That was amazing. But to me, I'm like,
I don't feel good. I want more take But if
you like it, I trust your judgment because I'm me.
I'm not watching me, so I don't know what you
you know you saw something. I trust your judgment. You're
the director, you're the head coach. I'm gonna rock with you. Facts.

(53:24):
So let's let's play ball. Let's do So that's what's
up many A D J T D. Man, let me
get a little a little something before we get to
this next subject, because we gotta keep the music in here. Man,
you gotta keep the music going. M I'm digging that
and I'm coming off script. Man, I'm not. I'm not messing. Listen.
We got shot in the house. Man, Hey, listen, So

(53:46):
let's let's talk about music. Let's do Like recently, Uh,
there was an announcement that you was linking back up
with j D. And yeah, y'all dropped a little something.
Man's a little video on the yacht. So I'm I'm like, yo,
my bad yacht. Not say that. You know, I ain't
got no yacht. Get confused. Uh, So I'm like, yo,

(54:08):
I remember texting my board and I'm like, YO, got
some heat, appreciate it. He got some heat coming. And
that's Jermaine's record. By the way, that's Germaine's record. I've
yet to drop mind. So that was Jermaine's first look
off of his EP project. Yeah called the Love Award.
It's his name his actual project. Yes, crazy, but I

(54:28):
know you got some heat. Thought, I definitely do. I
remember you doing to sit down. You had a little
video and you just talked to the fans. You're talking
about the whole young money thing. And he was like
it was a business decision. Like me and Bergman, the
family were all cool, it's all love. We just you know,
needed to go, you know, our separate ways right now.
And I've had heat. You're basically like I've had heat,
and I wouldn't I wasn't able to let it out.

(54:50):
And I'm listening to it. I'm like glued into the
screen like that. Like what you got in the vault? Bro,
you got a lot in the vault. You've been sitting
on a lot. Yeah, before we Um started an interview
with my phone rang when I said, I gotta yeah,
that was that's Puffs like right hand. Yeah. Yeah. So
it could be a situation, you know, a management type
of dealer's great go down between myself, Puff and Um.

(55:13):
You know, it's something some spectacles going to happen with it,
like the next couple of days with me and it,
and it needs to, like I said, because I got
so much work. I got so many record songs with
Whiz Khalifa songs with um Man, you're naming everybody, I
mean just about everybody. And these are songs that I've
been doing since I was a cash money. So I
got versus me and Whiz and Juicy J have a
song together. Um put did this song three and a

(55:36):
half years ago, but to this day, it's still saying
it's spanking brand new, is fresh, and it still relevant
to us going on today. So it's I have like
a hundred songs like that. That's just sitting just that's crazy,
and you know what's sazy, you know, you know, just
like I know, I'm just a fan, you know what
I'm saying. But I've really briefed hip hop. I love
it so sorry TV my bad. It's real. It's a

(55:57):
real conversation, cameras in the life and all of that
right now. But uh, hip hop is I feel like
it's unforgiven. Like when you like, if you leave for
a long time and you try to come back, it's
almost like, bro, you was going too long. And a
perfect example for me is Nellie, Like Nellie was on
fire and he was like, you know what, I'm about
to do this TV thing, I'm about to do this

(56:17):
movie thing, and he came back, and hip hop was
kind of like, I don't know, Nellie, I don't know.
We got it. We got a couple of castes in
your lane. We're good on And I was kind of
mad because like, how are you gonna turn your back
on one of dude that gave you hit at the
hit at hit. My point is it's not like that
with you, like hip hop, Like it's almost like they've
been waiting, like okay, like when it's when you don't

(56:38):
do it, when we're gonna bring it something back? Like
hip hop ain't never turned their back on you. Was
like we forgot about you. It's almost like, okay, we
see you doing what you're doing. We see you doing TV, movies, liquor,
we see you doing it, but when's the music coming back?
So so for you, is it? Is it TV? Or
is it music? Is it both? Is it hard to
juggle it? Is it stressed to bring the music to us?

(56:59):
Like want to know? It's um me being comfortable always,
you know, I keep it a buck all the time.
I'm like, you know, just so comfortable being on set,
so comfortable waking up but a set schedule, so comfortable
knowing what I'm doing next Friday to post to the
music business while I wake up. We don't know what's
going on. No type of set schedule, no nothing. Uh,

(57:23):
they don't teach you nothing. There's no challenge. I feel
like when people say my fans like, yo, bad, we're
gonna up the music. It's been a long time, I say, well,
it's just too easy. That's why I've been rapping since
five And I break it down like this, I've been
wrapping since five eight, Right, so let's say fifteen years.
That's twenty somebody's whole entire career. If you play fifteen

(57:47):
six years and in the field, it's time to it's
time to move in the commentation, it's only one of
something different. So that's kind of how my breakdown was.
It was just backwards because I started young. Fifteen years later,
I'm still young, so it's like, you're supposed to keep
doing keep doing it. And then to me, I'm like, well,
if I came in the game at twenty one, it
wouldn't be cool for me to be thirty six rapping
them more about what I was rapping about. When it's

(58:09):
tithing to move on the milk, I milk this cow
it's time to go ahead and get some emmies, put
some oscars next to these platinum plaques and showing that
I got the whole, you know, the whole thing. So
I have my days where you know, I get I
want to put out stuff, I want to do this,
But then I'm like, you know what, Nott not right now.
I'm very strategic, you know, but as of right now
is that the acting thing is just that's what everybody

(58:30):
wants to get into. I was just with fab the
other day. We was having lunch, fab Me and Fabulous,
and he told me, how you like that acting thing.
I'm really trying to get into that, you know, but
not knowing his fans probably don't know, he really wants
to cross over and dude, what I'm doing, but just
don't know how it's that hard. I like a challenge.
I love waking up in the morning having the butterflies
like you gotta bring it. If not, it's a hundred

(58:52):
people on set, you're gonna If you mess up on
your lines, you're gonna. I love having that pressure when
I get them, when I get the mic and go
on stage just like yeah, okay, thanks whatever. I like
a challenge. I can dig it. You talked about, you know,
the collaborations that you got on deck, stuff that you
you got just in the vault, stuff that you're probably

(59:13):
possibly gonna do. Let's talk about your your best collapse
in your opinion over your career. And then after that,
I want to know, I'm gonna put you on the
spot and neat that top five top five Okay, cool,
my best collapse off top. I gotta go uh Me
and tomorrow. I got a classic would let Me Hold You?
The van draw saying uh Me and a boy Chris Brown.

(59:37):
We got number one record together. We did two one
number one record in the top five record What Ain't
Thinking About You? That was me and he here Like You?
That was huge. That was the number one record. I
gotta say me and t Pain When we click it
pops too. I got it's weird with certain artists when
you click with other artists, you know, it's it's worked messages. Yeah,
it messes right out of my system. That was a

(59:57):
good one. And then probably one of my best version
of that I've done to date that I would say
on the record was, oh, I think they liked me
remix myself branch Out Boys, I was definitely probably one
of my top you know what I mean as far
as like versu wise, and I got worked with it.
I've worked with everybody from Destiny's Child. I worked with
so many people, man Like, so many people have a change.

(01:00:17):
I was fortunate up to work with a lot of
Give me your top five hip hop order or I
ain't gonna put that pressure. I can put that pressure,
like the pressure, so you know what, give me that
and talk about it. Okay, here talking about it. I
gotta go number one, pot um, this is mine right here, Okay,
I can sum number two. Gotta be my uncle snoop.

(01:00:38):
I gotta throw a dog in there off top three.
Gotta see this where you getting hard? As I'm listening,
I'm like, you're about to jump coats? Is he going
to the east and staying in the west like this,
I'm listening, bro, the re I'm de might throw you
for a loop. I gotta go to gol I liked

(01:01:02):
that looked up because it's kind of like similar career
past the Ladies, him movies, TV myself kind of similar.
So I kind of watched L Love L down to
two most spots. I'm gonna throw Biggie on there only
because like, even though his career path was short, short, right,

(01:01:23):
And for me it was more like I was a
West Coast dude, Like I was running with death rowing
them back in the day, so I was heavy West
Coast out. It was I really wasn't listening to a
lot of East Coast rap like that. You know what
I'm saying. I just wasn't being honest. Um and then
five the round it off this right, gonna really spin
you for a loop hip, you know what kind of
like I like him. I like this this guy. I'm

(01:01:44):
gonna put the five. I like him for um number one.
The girls loved him. His word play was crazy, and
he was fresh and that special leg come on man
special like that. I got him in and I wish
I and I likes I wish I had six. I
wish I had six. I gotta throw nas on that
Na Nass. Yeah. Likens one of the best storytellers of

(01:02:07):
all time. Of course, he had that crazy track Man
to Joint on the Nasa Damas album. Yeah. Um, so yeah,
let's talk about let's talk about TV, let's do Let's
talk about Cus Cyber Brody Nelson. Um, that's that's the
next evolution of what you're doing right now. Still got

(01:02:28):
movies on deck, still doing that. I know you're reading
scripts probably on a daily basis. Um. But but talk
about this show and what you like about it going
into season two, right they had the fourth man. Um. Yeah,
what I like about this season but in the last
season is the fact that I get a chance to
be more of myself. Um, even down from the clothes
that I'm winning that. Yeah, last season I wear a

(01:02:49):
lot of suits, investors and ties and stuff, and this
season is excuse me, this season is more of you know, Zara,
you know, sweats, joggers, Nikes, kicks, the typical bow I wear. Um.
But you still see Nelson though all day. We got
ted dancing on the show now, which is a big hit.
Talking about the TV icon of legend, who was on
the you know, the original cside where he was on Cheers,

(01:03:11):
a whole bunch of stuff. So bringing him on board
with us, along with Patricia cat oscar world with last
year for what she did with Boyhood, it just makes
it all just balance out right way. And this season
we're tackling on just not just the cases, but what
happens with these characters, you know the back stories, you know,
everybody knows. You just you just turn on these shows
and you just catch the bad guy and you go home.

(01:03:33):
It's like, what happens once they catch the bad guy?
What happens at home? You know? We know people that
go to work and working on the fives. You know,
he might have got an argument with the wife and
they come into work, might have a little attitude like
what's going on behind the scene, And that's what we're
giving them. We're giving them the real and we feel
like that's what the people can really relate to. And
that's what's gonna make this season bigger, batter, and better.
This season story Oh ye, the story was a crazy

(01:03:55):
crazy Yeah. Well, I appreciate you joining men for listening.
Appreciate just because I like saying it. Bro, It's an honor.
It really is an honor. I appreciate you joining me. Man,
d J T let me get something. On the way out,
I'm saying, you gotta spit anything. I ain't cann put
that pressure. I mean, you're an actor now, yeah, I
got I get to just kick back, like I know

(01:04:17):
you hear that beat though beat kind of fire. I
thought you was gonna bust some ball something. It's not
a D D J T D. Can I spit something?
All right? Listen up now, I just played football by trade.
I got your rapper, all right. I started rapping the
same mage you started rapping. Okay, say I'm from Seattle.
It's a little something about Seattle. It checked me out. Yo,

(01:04:40):
this is my city. I feel like this is my city.
Football player turned the mini mobile feeling like Diddy. Get
the street to see. I was raising Skywaite with Sharon clothes,
with my broser rocking fashion my way. I made it. Yeah,
I made it, lying blood under the beat line suity. Yeah,
I'm created. Was a cup with no bro so pass
it so humble. Now I'm mcken ain't the thing the
conk of this jungle. Gotta hunt to survive some of

(01:05:02):
my prayer of the prey God blessed line to feed
us pride and stride every day. I got my town
on the back. But the way is to give Northwest
were the best like DJ Kellenes stopping stopping, Oh day man,
you already know, yeah, checking about, checking about when I
got on this called public puppy gotta come up here,

(01:05:22):
let me get on the remix I got you. It's
nothing high and hello football fans. You're old pal Dave
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(01:05:43):
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