April 5, 2016 • 47 mins
Michael Robinson and Nate Burleson are joined by NFL insider Rand Getlin to discuss Colin Kaepernick's trade options and Von Miller's contract situation with the Broncos. Also, Rand on free agency scoops, favorite NFL Draft prospects and an Allen Iverson tribute.
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the realm? Okay, okay, yeah, okay, And I'm digging. I'm
digging that. I'm digging that. Well, we got ran in
the building the day ran, which I haven't appreciate you
coming up as Nate H did the introduction. Man, you
you're the best in the Bears. Bro, you appreciate you. Man,
talk to us about some of the schools. Man that
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you you've gotten a free agency too. You know, how
do you do it? Man? Like, who do you talk to?
I mean, you got but how do you do you?
How do you do your job? How do you do
your business? Yeah? So it's uh, it's it's a real
competitive business is a small space and there are only
so many sources, you know, for you to cultivate because
it's a small ish business. But if you think there's
a world of probably don't know, five to six thousand
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people that have access to information or that matter in
our space, and you've got to figure out which of
them has the most information. Ultimately, uh, you know, information
comes from human beings, so you've got to develop trust.
So that's the bedrock. But you know, in terms of
the stories, that we got out during UH free agency,
which was great, you know, obviously for the for the network,
and and I was proud to be involved in it.
UH Broke brock Oswiler was going to the Houston Texans.
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Nobody really saw that one coming. It was really interesting
as always tracking it, you know, you don't just kind
of the news doesn't show up on your doorstep the
morning of. It's one of those things where you're following
it for months and months, and you know, sometimes I'll
prospect out a year in advance, like I already know
who the impending free agents are for next year, and
so you start looking at like, Okay, which of these
guys have been performing well? Which these guys has a
big name and everyone's gonna be after which the guy's
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has a lesser name, like Colletio Semile this year. That's
a guy that nobody really was paying a ton of
attention to because he's an interior off football heads of course,
so you know, for me, I was looking at it like, Okay,
what's gonna happen with him? He's gonna get a big deal,
but how big? I don't think anybody would have guessed
would be eleven point seven million per year for a guard. Big.
I mean, that's one point seven million dollars over the
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benchmark that had been established earlier, so that was a
big surprise. I mentioned the Oswalder thing, Travis Benjamin leaving
um Cleveland and heading to San Diego. There's been a
situation there where I I reported during the combine that
talks had broken down between the Browns and Travis Benjamin.
And it was per his agent, Um who attached his
name to it. You know, talks are broken down, you
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can attribute it to me. Cool put it out and
then um, the Browns come back and say, you know,
talks haven't oken down. So of course I'm asking behind
the scenes, like well, how did this happen? So well,
I got a call after you reported that, and he said,
will you come up to the hotel room to speak
to us, to the suite at the combine, and he
was like cool. So I went up and he talked
to the Browns for a little bit, but no contract
numbers were exchanged. It was just kind of like a
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let's sit down and kind of wrap and they said,
you know, we'd really like to keep him in. His
agents position was we've already had this discussion. Bro like,
five million dollars a year is not gonna get it done,
which is what the Browns offered him, five million dollars
a year, and the kids like, look, I know I
can get more on the market. So I mean, if
you want me to go test the market, I will,
But if you want me to stay in Cleveland right now,
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we're in the impass. So long a story short. We
know how that played out. Benjamin en up getting six
point to five per in San Diego. So you leave Cleveland,
which has had you know, some difficulty as of late,
lost a lot of free agents. They lost you know,
the better part of their offensive line, which was a
strong point for them, they lost all the right lost
lost a lot of good players and right right right.
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So so anyway, I mean, things like that go down.
But you know it's to to take a step back.
You're looking at you know, a hundred to two hundred players,
fifty of which really matter in our space, you know,
in terms of people who track what insiders do. It's
our job to get that news out first. Obviously you
gotta make sure you're accurate, and then it could be
broken down. For instance, I might break Travis Benjamin is
going to the chargers, but I don't know the years
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or the numbers or I know them and I can't
report them for whatever reason. And other times I'll say,
Travis Benjamin is going to the charges for six point
to five for a year on a four year deal. Bam,
I got everything. So anybody who's reporting it after you
follows you. So how do you how do you make
sure and again I'm trying to keep it hunted with you, man,
how do you make sure that agent or team is
using you? Yeah, what I'm saying, how do you how
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do you go through the weeds of that? Man? So,
so this is about as real as as I can
be with this is everybody's using you always at all times, right,
I mean, it's it's all. It's all about um deposits
and withdrawals in life. I mean, this isn't just my business.
This is any interaction with there be. You know, my
wife and I you know, if I take too many
withdraws and they'll put in enough deposits, she's gonna go
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upside my head. Right Yeah. So so I mean the
same thing. Look what you know, here's here's the answer
that the short answer is the reason I know that
the folks that I deal with are not using me
in a way that I'm uncomfortable with is because I've
known them for so long, We've established a long history
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of trust. If they and I've been dealing with each
other for five years, let's say, and never not one time, uh,
through a number of interactions, under a number of circumstances,
have they ever misled me? Then that's an individual depending
on where they're positioned, that I may take the information
they give me at face value without needing to go
find a second and third source. Other people have proven
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themselves to be kind of, you know, not as not
as solid. So six times out oftend they're right, four
times out attend they're wrong. So with those people, I'll
never single source their information ever. I just I gotta
go find a second and a third source. But that's
all it is. Man. It's again like when you when
you take steps back and you say, okay, what is
the job of an inside My job, very simply stated,
is to build and maintain relationships that are stronger than
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the next man's so that the information that comes to
me is something I can give to the people first
and accurately. On a consistent basis, sant I gotta ask,
you know, right now, what's the hottest name? And I
think we can all assume, but what's the hottest name
in free agency or a free agency movement possibility? And
what do you know about it for next year? Yeah?
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For right now, right now? Is it? Is it? Cap
in the trade talks to me? What's the hottest topic
right now? Yeah, So it's gotta be Kaepernick. And obviously
he's like a little bit different because he's not a
free agent. But uh, but you know, during the combine,
I reported that he and his representatives were they had
requested from the team permission to seek a trade. Right.
It's very careful. They requested permission from the team to
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seek a trade. Right, So it's like very careful. People
don't really break down the words, but those matters. So
the ree and that happened. It's a long story, but
essentially trust has broken down between Kaepernick and that front office.
Members of that front office. There are people in that
front office who I've spoken to, are who are high
on the kid, who like him as a person, who
obviously believe in his We got we got some people
background not coming back. So the Kaepernick situation is is
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really interesting just because you know Chip Kelly coming and
you look at you say, well, every quarterback that Chip
Kelly has had with that kind of a skill set
has been very successful under him. I mean you go
back to his Oregon days, Jeremiam solely, h Dennis Dixon, obviously, uh,
Marcus Mariota. I mean you could go on and on.
The one quarterback that he had that really struggled in
that system was Brady Leaf, who was Ryan Lee's younger brother,
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and he just didn't have the same mobility. And so
you know, Chip had some some difficulties with him. When
you look at you know what Chip wants. Uh, he
may say, well, any quarterback fits my system, but he
has to say that, you know, to say that he's
not frush created, that he's not going to have Colin
Kaepernick the ability to cultivate that talent under his tutelage. Uh.
We don't know that. Yeah, he might, but here's the
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here's the deal. I think the deal ultimately gets done.
And then there's a strong reason why Kaepernick has put
his foot down. And this is a guy if you
understand his background. Uh, he grew up in foster care
and he ended up getting adopted right or he was
adopted rather not foster, but like being adopted myself, like
and haven't been a foster like you have certain identity
issues that are you know, complicated and and uh in
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this you want to be involved with people who want
you right. And throughout the course of the last year,
especially a lot of those negative leaks that were coming
out about Colin Kaepernick, he believed rightly, wrongly or otherwise
that they might have been coming from the organization. And
so when trust breaks down like that, He's at a
point now where it's it's a principal approach, you know,
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before you go further, I kind of want to eve
into what you were just talking about. You were adopted,
and we all know that Cat was adopted as will
Um And you made a point you said, as a quarterback,
a guy who was the face of a franchise, even
though he's a grown man with money, there's a part
of him that still wants to be wanted. Oh yeah,
and that that could be something that goes all the
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way back to his childhood. You don't ever want to,
you know, walk into a house where the people inside
aren't necessarily high on having you there, So I'm kind
of kind of expand on that a little bit. Yeah,
I mean that's a good point. Look at you know,
human nature, we all want to be wanted, right, I mean,
nobody wants to be somewherever they're not welcome, um except
in the v I P Area hang out and feel
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a little um. But yeah, man, I mean, look, you
know some of these things are so deeply embedded in
your being that you can't perform the way that you
know you're capable of performing because the environments so toxic.
And you know, I know from speaking to a multitude
of sources about Coln Kaepernick situation, then there were just
a number of issues with that front office where he
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does not feel comfortable anymore. He doesn't feel as if
he can trust them to be good stewards of his
career moving forward. And you know, when when you've reached
that point, I'm not gonna say it's a point of
no return, but it's very difficult to return. I'll double down.
That is a point in right. I mean, the coach
that I had the most successful out of under you
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let walk out of the building and most of the
guys in that locker room that I've talked to you personally.
You know I used to play there and I've talked
to you personally. I couldn't understand why Hardball is not
their coach. They felt betrayed from the front office. You
know what I'm saying, Um, you let the officer coordinator
and Greg Roman along with you, let them leave, and
those are my best years. Okay. No, I'm not gonna
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give you take a pay cut to facilitating anything that's
gonna help you out. We were talking a little bit
um off, you know, off camera before the podcast, and
we were talking Denver Um. You know, they kind of
you know, they're in a place where they don't have
a quarterback really Mark Sanchez. But let's just be honest,
they don't have a quarterback right now. Um. I think
a little bit opposite. I think, like you said, this
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Capital deal is gonna happen, whether whether they whether the
fort or has wanted to happen or not. Because he's
gonna get his money. He's gonna get his twelve million. Okay,
that's guaranteed. That's guaranteed. And to me, and I said
yesterday on Total Access, right now, him sitting in that
locker room, him being in those classrooms, him being in
that weight room alongside guys that they have aspirations, and
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winning the championship with this organization and it's supposed to
be your quarterback. Oh, by the way, just finished meeting
with John Elway Gary Kubiak for the second time. Who
I probably met with them more than I've met with
my own head coach. Come on, man, all the if
it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, sounds
like a duck, man, it's a damn duck. Okay, he's
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up out of there, man. So here's one thing I
agree with you, you know, the perception. I mean, I
will say this though, I know in speaking with folks
on the organization side, you know, there came a point
at whichever like, look, we're not giving this kid away
for a ham sandwich period. Like none of us are
saying that he does not have value. He has value.
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But from their perspective, you know, maybe he could have
done something differently in the locker room, you know, in
terms of him not being I'm I'm ask you how
is that going to change? So they're giving him the
twelve minute and then they're saying Okay, forget all the
stuff that we did to you. Okay, go lead this
team and be a franchise quarterback. Right if I'm Colin Kaepernick,
what's my motivation to do it. I'm gonna get this
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money regardless. I'll tell you the one thing that that
may have been able to change things, and maybe still could,
but each day that goes by you kind of lose hope.
If Jed York, the owner of the forty Niners, went
to Colin Kaepernick as a man one on one and said, look,
I know these things have occurred behind the scenes, and
again you know, I'm privy to a lot of information
that you can't really discuss. But like these things have occurred,
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we know that there's a rift in terms of trust here.
I am going to fix that. As the owner of
this team, I'm making I'm giving you my word that
this is going to change. How can you trust that
ran when the majority the things that have happened, the winds,
the winds, all the all that winning, they were doing
it with Scott mcluhen's guys, a lot of Scott mc
guys there, and you still have a general manager Trembalki,
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who from all the reports that are out there. Um,
Colin took a lesser deal because he thought that a
lot of he was gonna be able to keep a
lot of that cord together. And then you let most
of them walk out of the door. So, whether the
owners saying it or not, you can say it to
my face, bro, but as long as this guy's general
managers employed, how could I believe you? Right? So, there,
so so and then and then obviously you guys are
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aware of having played the game. There's a lot of
other people in the front office as well, right, that
you end up interacting with. So bottom line is, you know,
if you look at you say, let's let's just say
spit ball, and there's five people out there, right, and
three of them you don't trust and two of them
you do, then you got to figure out in the
hierarchy of power and authority, if the top dude is
saying it, and he's one of these people that maybe
you could trust or whatever, you say, Hey, he's saying
he's gonna do this, this and this. My point to
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you is this the only thing that may have changed.
Not to say that it will, but you know that's
what happens, man. I mean ultimately comes down to it.
You got a bunch of men, a bunch of alpha's,
and things go down, some good and some not so good,
and then you have to determine, like can we continue
moving forward and working together, you know, productively and doing
I mean, does he I know, he's like sitting like
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I don't even have a word on anything, like you
know what I mean, wait, what do you what? Is
he fitting this whole equation? Yeah, so at this point,
you know, he's the new guy at the table. Right.
So if you guys remember around the combine um right
before I reported that he had requested permission to seek
a trade, you know, it was all sunshine and rainbows,
like Colin wants to come back, he wants to be here,
and I'm sitting there like with the emoji face. You know,
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I know it's really going down, and I'm like, I
know if that's true. So so you know, you just
bite your tongue and you wait until the news is reportable,
you know, and in my position, you learn a lot
behind the scenes. It's very fascinating. You wish you could
share it with people so they understood, especially from look,
you know, I'm unabashedly pro player, like I care more
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about players than I do a tow organizations, all right.
And it's not to say I don't care about the organizations.
I do, because those organizations are the ones that compensate
the players. But I also understand the Nate and I
have talked about this, and you know, I've talked about
it offline, like what you guys go through, the sacrifices
you make, the places you've come from in order to
get to this point. And so you know, for me,
if a team overplays for a player by a million dollars,
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the overpays for a player by a million dollars a year,
they're gonna be all right. Stan Crocky is gonna be
all right, Like that's not gonna hurt his you know,
it's not gonna change his life. But for a player,
it could really mean everything and their families and and
their ability to change the trajectory of their families history.
So when I look at it from a from a
pro player perspective, a lot of times I wish I
could fill people in more on the Hey, here all
the things you don't know. Fans who think these are
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just overpaid you know jocks, and you look at I
wish you understood the struggles these guys go through the
things that they've had occurred to that. I mean, look
at one example with Kaepernick, Okay, try and keep myself
out of trouble. Here his shoulder injury. Okay, So so
he entered his shoulder and um, you guys have been
through this, you know, Team Doc looks at you, says,
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you know, I think this is going on. And then
at some point, um, if you feel like that diagnosis
is not necessarily correct, right, so you look at that
second opinion and the second opinions like, bro, this is
completely different from what you know you thought like and
and so you have to start asking questions as a player,
like so did they mislead me? Or like how did
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this occur? How did I get this information? Right? And
you know, with his shoulder, he ended up going out
to Aspen to get worked on right and and ended
up just going to work with his own people. Well
there's a reason for that, and he has not disclosed
publicly what that reason is just yet. But again, so
let's assume that he felt he was in a better
situation in terms of getting healthy to go out to
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ask meen and deal with his own people. Well, that
would indicate to me, just being a common sense kind
of guy, that maybe he didn't have as much trust
in the organization's folks as he did those folks out
and asking. So that alone is on example of the
rift that has you know, been widened between the team
and Kaepernicks at this point, and we talked about it.
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He eleven point nine million, that's his. He's got it.
So if he just sits in San Francisco like, I
want all my chips, give me my game checks, I
want my money, he's gonna get that right as long
as he comes out and he competes, you know, does
what he needs to do in order to get those checks. Denver,
on the other hand, doesn't have a quarterback. They want
him to reduce his number, but he's like, for what
I mean, you and the forty niners can figure that out.
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If they want to give you some money, you know,
to make up the difference, that's fine, but I'm not
taking any less that that makes no sense. And when
you look at where he stands, he's like, bro, I
was in the super Bowl, Like we almost won that game.
How can an organization tell their fan base that they're
truly trying to win this year, and you allow this
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quarterback to meet with the attire with with the other
team's brass pace. Okay, And I've heard about the injury
thing and why he has to ask it and all
that that actually happened. Okay. How can this man sit
in a huddle and look at each player and each
player see hope to win a championship in his eyes
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when he didn't have trust that the organization has his
best interest at hand. I just don't. To me, I
think they're at a point of no return. And to me,
if I'm Denver, I'm just gonna wait it out because
if they waited out, the fort Andanders may end up
being on the hook for his for his twelve million
dollar salary. Yeah they are, and they still may have
to cut them, just because it's a bad seed in
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the locker room. Like you you you gotta think like
pass some stuff. Just we're not much and it's part
of Chip Kelly and all that. We're not machines, right,
Like the dude got feelings and stuff like hen come
to work feeling a certain type of way. Now you know,
you know I feel just like you said it looks
like a Bronze and he's the bunk out of there.
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You feel me, yeah, But like I honestly feel like
you gotta look at it two ways. You got San Francisco,
who they got their back against the wall because trying
to figure out what they're doing at the QB position.
And then you got Denver, they got their back gainst
the wall also ran you said it, they don't have
a quarterback, but at the same time they're asking Cap
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Toler's number, so they have to look in the mirror
and say, listen, the going rate for starting quarterback is
higher than what Cap is getting paid, right, so we
do at this point, do we just make this trade happen,
cover the twelve, and move forward. If they don't end
up shooting themselves in their foot because they want Cap
to take a lower number in these stays in Frisco,
then I honestly believe the Broncos are taking a year
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off because they got the Super Bowl hangover. You're afforded
one two years and nobody's really concerned about them winning.
They're good at But if they do get camp and
they can't cultivate that talent underneath that system that rock
Os Wilder had some success at the special Man, they
will be really special. Yeah, I mean that defense is ridiculous, right,
and even losing a few pieces, they still got a
lot there. But this is this segues into an another
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interesting contract conversation. Okay, so one, he still got Fitzpatrick
out there on the market, right, the Jets low bald him,
so he's sitting around. I think Fitzpatrick is mobile enough
to play in that rollout offense, right, and he'd had
the ability to run Kubiak's offensive. They they don't even
have a caps that's the question, right, They don't even
have the cap space, right, right, So that's a question.
So so here, here's here's the thing. Okay, who do
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they have to pay. They gotta pay von Miller, right,
and they gotta pay him a lot, a lot, a lot.
If Malik Jackson and Vernon Olivier, Vernon Olivia get like
eighteen per or something like that, So then yeah, or
or you know, if if you really look at it,
because here's the way that you know the agent's gonna
look at it. We'll wait a second. If Vernon Olivier
is worth this, let's break down statistics over the past
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four or five years, whereas he I think he's worth
you know, fifty percent more than that guy. Now that
number may sound unrealistic thirty six million a year, but
statistically it is what it is. Right, m v P
won that won that championship game for him? Right, all
these prices way too hot. I'm not putting that number
out the don't. What I'm saying to you is, what
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I'm saying to you is, if you're looking at from
a statistical perspective, here's what it breaks down. She says. Okay,
well that's not realistic, but how much more valuable is he?
Well what's the thirty percent number? Now you're looking you know,
somewhere in range, right, and that's that's that's real. You
ca make a justifiable or not for that. And what
the people, well, this is what's really interesting man. So
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so what the teams will say, you know, behind the scenes,
they'll be like, look, um, we don't believe. Initially, we
don't believe that Sue deal is a fair deal as
a benchmark. You know what, we thought that's a bad
deal done by you know, folks who just overpaid for him. Okay,
but it's a real deal. Like here, here's the contract.
It's a real deal, and we want our money. So
that's the battle. Right. Well, now you've got the Vernon
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Olivier deal, so it's like, listen, now we got two deals.
So what you're saying both of them don't they are
avoid They don't. They don't exist in life. They do.
Those players are really getting that money. And I'm not
gonna do a deal where Von has paid this. But
the problem is the franchise tag is somewhere at like
fourteen million right now, right, so he can go out
there and allow them to rent him for a year
after everything he's done for the organization. Uh, and grant
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that they stuck by him too through some trying times.
But point being, at the end of the day, it's business, right.
There's another option though, and not to say that this
is happening at all, but it is a possibility. Something
you've got to at least consider. What if he just
sits out. What if they can't get past this this
franchise tag, you know, impass and he just says, you
know what, I'm not gonna report until week ten. Good luck.
They could take if they want to. I mean, you see, right,
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but they tagged him with the idea of being, hey,
we gotta keep either brock Oswaller and or Malik Jackson,
and they lost them both. So how do you think
von is sitting there right now? Well, it's not only that,
but like, like, how do you think he feels? You?
Guys can speak to this way better than me as
a player, knowing that they're trying to rent him for
fourteen million for one year. When Malie Jackson got what
he got and Olivier Vernon got what he got, can't
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his cap charge signing him for that multi year deal,
giving him a bunch of signed a bunch of money
to sign a money up front, you know what I mean,
and eliminate that and then have cap spased to sign
a Fine Fitzpatrick or a Colin Kappernick if you want
to make up that four and a half million dollars. Yeah,
I mean, teams can always figure out a way to
get get money to the players, right, So I mean
at this point it's they in all teams do this.
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They think about precedent, not only for themselves but around
the league. Some teams just don't care. I mean the
Raiders were like, yeah, we're paying collectio semily eleven point
seven period. We don't care if you had a lot
of money, had a lot of money, but you know,
cats are like, yo, it's one point seven million more
than any other guard has ever gotten paid. And a
lot of times, you know, the in terms of the teams, uh,
just the philosophy, the way that they've been brought up is, hey,
(25:40):
let's try and minimize the increases in those benchmarks, you know,
to the greatest impossible, just as a team. As a
team philosophy. Not to say that they're working together and anything. Yeah,
not to say that, I mean, yeah, I mean this
is common sense, right, It's not to say that they're
working together. It is to say that when you're brought
up in a culture, it's like, you know, we don't
want to pay our our our talent anymore than we
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have to pay them. We don't want to overpay for talent.
Then that's what happens. You just and you have a
philosophical difference, like I don't want to pay more than
this guy because the highest in the market was you know, uh,
Sue at twenty per over three, right, so he has
a sixty guaranteed number. We only want to pay some
three guaranteem How do how do teams pay these guys? Like,
how can the team take on multiple quarterback salaries? Yeah,
(26:26):
I wanna when you look at it, because that's what
it's turning into. Yeah. So, I mean, as you mentioned,
you can put a bunch of money upfront, and the
idea is to spread out the cap hit so that
you don't run into problems down the road. Right. So,
maybe you have the money today, but you wan't have
the money tomorrow. Or maybe you don't have the money now,
but you're gonna have the money tomorrow. Right, So, whatever
it is, each team is trying to figure out based
on their own philosophy and their thirty two different teams, right,
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So thirty two different philosophies and their own ideas on
which talent is more valuable. Some teams really value top
tier quarterback. All teams would love to have one. But
other teams are like, hey, the COEs, we could bring
Colin Kaepernick in as long as he's a solid game
manager and does not lose the game for us, our
defense is gonna win most of our games. And oh yeah,
by the way, we just proved you can win a
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Super Bowl like that, Right, And other teams have done too,
So I think with the Broncos right now to your
point earlier, when you take a step back, I think,
really the showdown, even though it's being a framed differently,
I think it's between the Broncos and forty niners because
everyone wants to say, well's in CAP's hands sort of,
except he's going to get that eleven point nine no
matter what. So I mean, really, you know, if you're
thinking about it, if dude is like a competitor and
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he wants to play, how much less is he willing
to take to go to Denver? Two million, one million,
four million? I mean, who knows what that number is?
Right now he's saying zero, I want, I want all
eleven point nine. I wouldn't take it. I wouldn't take
anything less. Got eighteen and you want me to take
seven like I was in the Super Bowl. But I
don't even understand. And and brock Osweiler is you talk
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to people around him like a lot of people think
he's very special. We went five and two at the
Helm and you gotta remember this dude was sitting on
the bench for three years, so he only had a
very small sample size, and he put him up against
Brady or or any number of very successful quarterbacks in
a seven game sample size, there's a lot to be
encouraged about. So it's not to say that Brock is
not worth what he's getting paid out there. It is
to say that Colin Kaepernick is looking at it like,
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wait a second, I'm already making six less. I'm not
taking any less, Like you gotta pay me that? So okay,
So then Brons have a choice. You need a quarterback.
You're either going to pay him what he says he
needs to be paid in order to come over, or
you want and if you don't, like you said, maybe
their players, including von Miller, are sitting there like, wait
a second, this isn't what we signed up for. This
is not what you told me. You know what's gonna happen.
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So it's just interesting, man, and and uh, human beings.
We all got feelings, and uh, you know, pretty soon
we could be talking about van situation. If he doesn't
get paid what he deserves on the market, what he
feels he deserves, it's gonna be very fascinating. See how
he handles out it's gonna be very fascinating. And see
how how he handles it. I can. I can tell
you this. Um, you know, I spent some time with
him recently. I didn't we didn't talk contract at all. Uh.
(28:56):
We we just we're doing a g Q shooting. We
kind of just spent some time rapping about life and whatnot.
He's carefree, man. That's a dude that's enjoying life. You
know what I mean, Like he's really enjoying life. But
in speaking of folks, um, you know who are close
to him, Like, it's clear he's he's a little bit upset,
you know, all of us again going back to you
want to feel wanted. Like he's a little bit upset. Man.
It would be nice if he could get that deal
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that that he feels like he earned. And uh and
when you talk to you know, most people with two
working eyes out there who watched him play, they feel
he earned too. So we'll see. I would not be
shocked if he missed some games. If they if they
don't figure it out, that's that's what's uping, man, A
T D. Man. Let's get it. Let's get another beat
right here. Man, let's let's go into the next subject. Oh,
(29:52):
he had much of a beat drop right there. You
gonna're gonna wrap. I got no freestyle. I gotta understand
what you're strengths of weaknesses are? What you say? Is
that bee drop right here? It is? That's dope. That's dope. Hey, hey,
(30:16):
Nate luck Man, Uh, give us some of your give us,
give us some of your prospects. Man, what is that
is that? Honey? You're drinking and it's called Burl Lisons.
That boy has got his own honey, I'm gonna get
(30:39):
involved like that burs Honey? Are you kidding me? Oh?
First of all, and they talked to us, why you
really why you have on the Lando Magic stuff? Man? Well,
you know I'm a big NBA fan. And headliners for
the Hall of Fame this year in the NBA are
skill o'deal Allen Iverson. Yeah, I mean I have to
represent the old Jersey and I'm feeling that. I'm feeling that.
(31:04):
I'm feeling that. But you know what, and I know
I'm going a little off script here, man, but to
see you understand, I'm from Richmond, Virginia. I watched Allen
Iverson right. Uh, he was set the bar for football.
People don't realize he's bar for football down there, say
it was a Mike Vick before he was Mike Vick,
before Mike Vick was Vick. I mean, you know, him
(31:26):
and Aaron Brooks was doing their thing down their quarterback.
All right, Mike. So before I may cut you off,
but U v a all day, like that's that's what
you do. So me, I've been an Iverson fan from Afar.
So when I first got in the league, you know,
I was just a huge Iris. I bought the shoes,
the jerseys, all that. Then I got invited by a
(31:49):
third person to his event in Virginia. So I went
out there and we had a flag football game and
Iris is out there nicely at that quarterback right dropping
down doing this thing. And me, I'm still trying to
play cool because I'm like two years in the league,
but I'm a super fan and I'm starstruck. But on
the outside, I'm playing it cool. So when I see him,
(32:11):
like YEO, what's up. I appreciate you inviting me out
the here, He's like, oh, man, Nate, I know who
you are. Bro, Like, don't worry about appreciate you coming.
So right then I feel like a little girl made
it right. So then we we we played in the game,
and then that night we went to U Club as
a club love anymore, but so we went out there.
(32:34):
So I'm still just like, man, this is crazy. I
can't believe I'm going to club. But it's the whole crew,
like his whole squad, and then right and all the
people that was in the game. So I just got
out like the last vehicle. I'm in the back, just
happy to beat there. I'm cruising. So we get to
the back door. I ever since up friend and he's
like hold up, hold up, and I'm like, oh, snaps,
what's happening. What's going on? Somebody beefing? He's like, man,
(32:57):
where's nay that? And I'm like what and he looks
back like I'm like I'm I'm ready. He's like, man,
come up here, bro, don't be in the back. So
again on outside, I'm like, oh yeah, all right, I'll
be right there. But oh my god. He came up
for the around me is like you're good, bro, You're good.
(33:19):
I'm like, now, I'm good. Were walking together and I
was like, man, it's my life in it tomorrow a
I to answer. Just walked me into the Baddest club
and d C Man. We had a ball. We still
we drank. It was like one of the most unbelievable moments.
And like I said, I don't get stars struck often.
Man Man I ever seen, and everybody around him call
him Bubba dudes I ever met and I love Man.
(33:43):
Let me let me tell you Man again again. You
cut me off, But it's all good. I still love
uh and you didn't mean to cut me off. But anyway, Uh. Yeah,
being from v A may song really do his thing. Man.
But aside from all that night, and I could and
I could go on with Nate, I could echo all
of it. I've been up with him and all of that.
How he took the hip hop culture to mainstream. It
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was unbelievable. With made tattoos. I got tattoos because I
saw Alan iverson half tattoos, and I just wanted to
have him because he had him. Um, he didn't go
with Nike. He went with Rebox Like I'm gonna do
my own thing. You know what I'm saying. He was
just he just defied all logic, all laws. He was shorter,
he was dunking on people who's doing it when his
(34:26):
scoring titles um to me, he just embodied the struggle
him body where we come from, his body, you know
what I mean, overcoming every obstacle and then too, you know,
I was. I was in the mix knowing that he
was going through, you know, the bar fights and all
of that type of stuff, man, and just knowing Streak
people that knew it went down, and knowing all the
stuff he had to overcome. Man, it's so great to
(34:47):
see him going in the Hall of Fame. Dude, Like,
big ups to AI. So you you gave a shout
out the shack man. I had to give a shout
out to AI. Um uh facts or much respect, man.
But moving on NFL Draft, Nate, I'm gonna ask both
of y'all NFL draft, man, give me some of your
favorite prospects before I give you mine. And I'm gonna
take Ezekiel Elliott um uh. And I'll go into it later,
(35:09):
but I'll tell you why you're right out the gate. Now.
Now you go. First day. I first day, okay, okay, okay,
I got it. Uh, Look, dude, I don't I don't
always think he's the fastest. Um. I like what he
does without the football, and it may be a two
or three yard catch, check down but he was available
(35:30):
for his quarterback. Nobody else was open, and he found
a lane and winning. There's an art in a craft
to running a checkdown route, man and getting available for
your quarterback. I like. I like what he does when
he has to scan the protection. He's one of the
only backs and in college football, from what I can
see on film, who literally takes everybody else that the
offensive line get. He's scanning everybody, he's protecting his quarterback
(35:53):
and he hits some square in the mouth. You see
what I'm saying. And then you notice he can carry
the ball thirty five times. He can actually be a
number one back. You don't you don't see it that much.
You don't see guys that are like the alpha dogs
that back. He did it. He did it in a
running conference, in the Big Test Conference. Um. I like Ezekiel.
And then when I saw him at the combine and
(36:15):
I talked to uh um m j D Maurice Jones,
Jones drew and he said, Man, Mike, he had a
different bounce in his step. He had a different swag.
That's all I needed to hear. Man. I like Ezekiel
ellett Man, and I think he's gonna go a little
higher than what people initially thought. Man, I think he
may crack the top ten. Yeah, I'm looking forward to
a lot of good things at tread Well at Old Miss.
(36:37):
You know, I feel like, you know, he he might
need some months of development and getting you know, in
complete shape, you know, getting his knee writing, getting back
to rare form. But the guy that stands out to
me is Corey Coleman out of Baylor. You know, I
feel like he's he's a productive individual. Um. You know,
he's a route runner. And you know, you look at
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you know, guys like Marie Cooper last year when you
when you're out of college and you're described as a
route runner, not only does that mean your last a
long time, but it also means more importantly what that
means some guys who want to mention Um. You know,
some guys come out and you know they're strictly go guys.
Are there's slot receivers? Um. When I came out, oh three,
(37:22):
they said, he's not extremely fast, he's not gonna wow
you across the board and everything. But what he will
do is he will be really good at every single
aspect of being a wide receiver, which means I could
run every route in the book. I could go outside
and inside. So when I look at a guy like
Corey Coleman, I see that he has production in both ways.
(37:43):
So that means you could come in right now and
having immediate impact. To think about why receivers is no
matter how good you were, I don't care. In the
college passing League, you go up there and put up
a hundred and forty catches. I put up one thirty eight.
I still came in as a sub and I had
to be the wide receiver. So that's gonna be the
test of most guys. I mean, if you come out
and you're productive in college, you gotta go into a
system where coach is gonna say, hey, hey, young fellow,
(38:05):
I know you did your thing in college, but what
you need to do now is learned x Z n
F and I need to be ready to sub in
for our horses that are already here. And if you
can over exceed the expectations and outwork somebody that's already
in the lineup, then you can earn your spot. So
when I look at a guy like Corey coming out
of Baylor, for me, that stands out and on top
of that, like Baylor has rich history with putting out
(38:27):
some really, yes, they do. When you go to a
school similar to basketball and you go to the Kentucky's
and North Carolinas, you're coming in knowing I have a
chance to go to the next level, and when I
go to the next level, I'm gonna be prepared sooner
than later. I'm not gonna be you know, a guy
down the lot of senior year still wondering if I
could be productive. No, you signed the Baylor's receiver. Know what,
(38:48):
I'm gonna learn how to be a pro wide receiver
and if I get a chance, I'm improve myself. So
I like all three players. You guys mentioned the guy
that I'm paying the most attention to. And it's easy
to be a front runner with a kid this town palented.
But Jalen Ramsey man out of Florida State, He's so rare,
bro And if you I figured this out the other day,
So I was talking through it with some folks and uh,
I've spent time with Corey Colem When I spent time
(39:10):
with Jalen Ramsey, there's something different about the least at
Ezekiel and how I m J D said he had
a different bounce in this step. Something different about these guys.
And for for Jalen Ramsey, when you stand next to him, bro,
he looks so much bigger than six to two oh
nine or whatever they say. Then he's a big dude
and you know, really wide, big guy. Um. But what's
(39:30):
most important about him, what's most impressive about him to me,
is this positional versatility. He played a star nickel one year,
he played safety free safety one year when they had injuries,
he started at corner as the first true freshman to
start at corner for f s U since one beyond Sanders, right,
So that's rarefied air already. And then he went out
to the boundary corner in his last year and dominated
there and one All American based on publications, and then
(39:53):
the ape stuff three years in a row at three
different positions. So teams are looking at that guy like, yo,
you can deploy him and you were in the secondary
virtually and he can play uh and the and the
important thing about that is Peter King and Money Mower
quarterback just pointed this out. Last year they had on
nearly six of the plays, uh they were playing nickel,
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so more than ever before you're seeing five defensive back
back fields now, and this is a guy that can
play any of those positions. So I think he's gonna
be very impressive in the league. Man. And people looked
at me and said, well, he's the safety because of
how big he is. Watch that dude play man. He
could play boundary corner. I don't now, that's what I
want to see, right. Can you match him one on
one with a Dez Bryant and he goes out there
(40:34):
and locks that dude down. He thinks he can, so
that's important. He had that. Yeah. And another guy that
you gotta keep your eye only talking about versatility is
Cravens from USC. Uh. You know, you look at an
individual who you know, play safety in high school and
then got moved into the box. You know, played some
safety in college. You know, I had a little bit
(40:55):
of trouble, you know, kind of moving in range in space.
But uh, you know what comes to mind when you
look at guys that are versare like that at the
collegiate level is nowadays Buchanon at Arizona with the Cardinals,
who you know, it's extremely talented, undersized guy who was
in the box and you guys know, just like I
know it's a copycat league. So if Arizona Cardinals have
(41:15):
success with individual like this, you better believe that the
next draft is gonna be full of cornerbacks and safeties
and inside the box individuals that teams are saying, Hey,
I'm not drafting him as a one position guy. I'm
drafting him as a hybrid. I can give these offensives fit.
So I'm obviously time will tell if he can fit
into that kind of box. But I mean that that
(41:37):
that guy is. He's special. So we'll see what happens
when draft comes around. Yeah, that's what's up many And
before we get out of here, t D, we got
a new segment. Um what you got for us today? Alright, guys,
this a new segment. It's called or Nah. Alright, it's
now we're gonna set it up, right, So I want
to reveal a story around sports or entertainment each week
before we wrap, and you guys discuss if you're on
board of this story or nah. All right, So Commissioner
(42:00):
Goodell tweeted for the first time in like three or
four years today, did not use the Jordan crime meme,
but he did say the playoffs are still likely to expand.
So I ask you guys, shoot the playoffs, which is
currently twelve teams expand or nah, oh I'm gonna say,
or no, I'm just gonna be honest. You talk about
players safety, they you know, you talk about um, you're
(42:25):
looking out for our health and head injuries and things
like that. And then on top of that, most of
us take a pay cut to go to the playoffs.
I mean, you're getting paid almost eighty ninety percent less
than what you're getting paid under the regular season. I
don't know if the benefits outweigh the negatives um parts
of it. So I wouldn't I wouldn't be for I
(42:46):
agree Michael. I feel like what the format it is
right now? You have the elite teams in the league,
and that's what it's supposed to be. As many times
as I made the playoffs versus as many times as
I didn't. Even when I didn't, I had respect for
the teams that made it because I had to look
at myself in the mirror as a team and say,
(43:06):
we just work good enough. And you know, you look
at teams sometimes that squeak in whether they're you know,
their particular division is terrible. Uh sometimes I frown. I
have a frown on my face where I'm thinking, we're
you know seven and nine? Are you like? I need
that before too? But for me, I want to see
(43:31):
the elite. So if you expand this format, then you're
really taking more teams like that, and you're you're putting
the luck of the draw. So now you're basically saying,
all right, let's give these teams that didn't necessarily deserve
to get in a chance to have that Senderella story.
Let's say the Senderella stories for marsh Madness, not the NFL. Yeah.
So so I don't disagree with anything you guys said,
(43:54):
but I'm always a fan of more good football, and
I think Nate's point is a great one, Like well
to say it's gonna be good football if you've got
lesser teams right getting in. But in some divisions we've
seen it, there are teams that should have been playoff
teams that don't get in. Right. So what you see
teams like the Houston Texas last year, who they I mean,
they got into playoffs and they were using J. J.
(44:16):
Watt any possible way they could, right, right, right, really
think that team was gonna make it to the Super
bart Yeah, so the divisional set up, right, it's gonna
create you know, some Patsy's in the playoffs. But again,
if there are really good teams that are not getting
a shot right now under the current format, and you
can add you know, an additional couple of points, right,
So I'm interesting that. But here's the bed rock though, always, Uh,
if you're adding games to the schedule, players should be
(44:40):
compensated for that, and and handsomely and and that's that's it. Like,
as long as players are compensated, well, that's something I'm
all for, you know. Uh. Last year, a hot topic
during the NFL p A Executive director elections was the
expansion of the regular season, and players are like, no,
we don't want eighteen games. When you really looked at
the proposal. What the proposal was was, Hey, we're gonna
(45:02):
get you players to free agency earlier than you otherwise
would have, which means you get paid more earlier than
you otherwise what have. But all players here is not
eighteen games. I don't want to touch that. But then
you think to yourself, well, you're just gonnat tack on
an extra year now before you actually go out and
get paid. So if you can condense that time, are
you willing to endure two more weeks of physical punishment
in a given year in order to get to free
(45:23):
agency a year earlier? All logic would dictate that that's
a better deal for players. But you guys got to
go through so much during the season. You just don't
want to hear eighteen games. That's a whole another show, right,
Like you said, it's all about the money. And speaking
of the Jordan's, it is all about the money though.
How you put up that one dollar? Bill man, it's
(45:48):
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I keep on because I mean, you already know I
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And the more you keep talking, the more trouble let
me get into. Fine, Well, well listen, this is the
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(02:46):
the realm? Okay, okay, yeah, okay, And I'm digging. I'm
digging that. I'm digging that. Well, we got ran in
the building the day ran, which I haven't appreciate you
coming up as Nate H did the introduction. Man, you
you're the best in the Bears. Bro, you appreciate you. Man,
talk to us about some of the schools. Man that
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you you've gotten a free agency too. You know, how
do you do it? Man? Like, who do you talk to?
I mean, you got but how do you do you?
How do you do your job? How do you do
your business? Yeah? So it's uh, it's it's a real
competitive business is a small space and there are only
so many sources, you know, for you to cultivate because
it's a small ish business. But if you think there's
a world of probably don't know, five to six thousand
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people that have access to information or that matter in
our space, and you've got to figure out which of
them has the most information. Ultimately, uh, you know, information
comes from human beings, so you've got to develop trust.
So that's the bedrock. But you know, in terms of
the stories, that we got out during UH free agency,
which was great, you know, obviously for the for the network,
and and I was proud to be involved in it.
UH Broke brock Oswiler was going to the Houston Texans.
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Nobody really saw that one coming. It was really interesting
as always tracking it, you know, you don't just kind
of the news doesn't show up on your doorstep the
morning of. It's one of those things where you're following
it for months and months, and you know, sometimes I'll
prospect out a year in advance, like I already know
who the impending free agents are for next year, and
so you start looking at like, Okay, which of these
guys have been performing well? Which these guys has a
big name and everyone's gonna be after which the guy's
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has a lesser name, like Colletio Semile this year. That's
a guy that nobody really was paying a ton of
attention to because he's an interior off football heads of course,
so you know, for me, I was looking at it like, Okay,
what's gonna happen with him? He's gonna get a big deal,
but how big? I don't think anybody would have guessed
would be eleven point seven million per year for a guard. Big.
I mean, that's one point seven million dollars over the
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benchmark that had been established earlier, so that was a
big surprise. I mentioned the Oswalder thing, Travis Benjamin leaving
um Cleveland and heading to San Diego. There's been a
situation there where I I reported during the combine that
talks had broken down between the Browns and Travis Benjamin.
And it was per his agent, Um who attached his
name to it. You know, talks are broken down, you
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can attribute it to me. Cool put it out and
then um, the Browns come back and say, you know,
talks haven't oken down. So of course I'm asking behind
the scenes, like well, how did this happen? So well,
I got a call after you reported that, and he said,
will you come up to the hotel room to speak
to us, to the suite at the combine, and he
was like cool. So I went up and he talked
to the Browns for a little bit, but no contract
numbers were exchanged. It was just kind of like a
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let's sit down and kind of wrap and they said,
you know, we'd really like to keep him in. His
agents position was we've already had this discussion. Bro like,
five million dollars a year is not gonna get it done,
which is what the Browns offered him, five million dollars
a year, and the kids like, look, I know I
can get more on the market. So I mean, if
you want me to go test the market, I will,
But if you want me to stay in Cleveland right now,
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we're in the impass. So long a story short. We
know how that played out. Benjamin en up getting six
point to five per in San Diego. So you leave Cleveland,
which has had you know, some difficulty as of late,
lost a lot of free agents. They lost you know,
the better part of their offensive line, which was a
strong point for them, they lost all the right lost
lost a lot of good players and right right right.
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So so anyway, I mean, things like that go down.
But you know it's to to take a step back.
You're looking at you know, a hundred to two hundred players,
fifty of which really matter in our space, you know,
in terms of people who track what insiders do. It's
our job to get that news out first. Obviously you
gotta make sure you're accurate, and then it could be
broken down. For instance, I might break Travis Benjamin is
going to the chargers, but I don't know the years
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or the numbers or I know them and I can't
report them for whatever reason. And other times I'll say,
Travis Benjamin is going to the charges for six point
to five for a year on a four year deal. Bam,
I got everything. So anybody who's reporting it after you
follows you. So how do you how do you make
sure and again I'm trying to keep it hunted with you, man,
how do you make sure that agent or team is
using you? Yeah, what I'm saying, how do you how
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do you go through the weeds of that? Man? So,
so this is about as real as as I can
be with this is everybody's using you always at all times, right,
I mean, it's it's all. It's all about um deposits
and withdrawals in life. I mean, this isn't just my business.
This is any interaction with there be. You know, my
wife and I you know, if I take too many
withdraws and they'll put in enough deposits, she's gonna go
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upside my head. Right Yeah. So so I mean the
same thing. Look what you know, here's here's the answer
that the short answer is the reason I know that
the folks that I deal with are not using me
in a way that I'm uncomfortable with is because I've
known them for so long, We've established a long history
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of trust. If they and I've been dealing with each
other for five years, let's say, and never not one time, uh,
through a number of interactions, under a number of circumstances,
have they ever misled me? Then that's an individual depending
on where they're positioned, that I may take the information
they give me at face value without needing to go
find a second and third source. Other people have proven
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themselves to be kind of, you know, not as not
as solid. So six times out oftend they're right, four
times out attend they're wrong. So with those people, I'll
never single source their information ever. I just I gotta
go find a second and a third source. But that's
all it is. Man. It's again like when you when
you take steps back and you say, okay, what is
the job of an inside My job, very simply stated,
is to build and maintain relationships that are stronger than
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the next man's so that the information that comes to
me is something I can give to the people first
and accurately. On a consistent basis, sant I gotta ask,
you know, right now, what's the hottest name? And I
think we can all assume, but what's the hottest name
in free agency or a free agency movement possibility? And
what do you know about it for next year? Yeah?
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For right now, right now? Is it? Is it? Cap
in the trade talks to me? What's the hottest topic
right now? Yeah, So it's gotta be Kaepernick. And obviously
he's like a little bit different because he's not a
free agent. But uh, but you know, during the combine,
I reported that he and his representatives were they had
requested from the team permission to seek a trade. Right.
It's very careful. They requested permission from the team to
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seek a trade. Right, So it's like very careful. People
don't really break down the words, but those matters. So
the ree and that happened. It's a long story, but
essentially trust has broken down between Kaepernick and that front office.
Members of that front office. There are people in that
front office who I've spoken to, are who are high
on the kid, who like him as a person, who
obviously believe in his We got we got some people
background not coming back. So the Kaepernick situation is is
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really interesting just because you know Chip Kelly coming and
you look at you say, well, every quarterback that Chip
Kelly has had with that kind of a skill set
has been very successful under him. I mean you go
back to his Oregon days, Jeremiam solely, h Dennis Dixon, obviously, uh,
Marcus Mariota. I mean you could go on and on.
The one quarterback that he had that really struggled in
that system was Brady Leaf, who was Ryan Lee's younger brother,
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and he just didn't have the same mobility. And so
you know, Chip had some some difficulties with him. When
you look at you know what Chip wants. Uh, he
may say, well, any quarterback fits my system, but he
has to say that, you know, to say that he's
not frush created, that he's not going to have Colin
Kaepernick the ability to cultivate that talent under his tutelage. Uh.
We don't know that. Yeah, he might, but here's the
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here's the deal. I think the deal ultimately gets done.
And then there's a strong reason why Kaepernick has put
his foot down. And this is a guy if you
understand his background. Uh, he grew up in foster care
and he ended up getting adopted right or he was
adopted rather not foster, but like being adopted myself, like
and haven't been a foster like you have certain identity
issues that are you know, complicated and and uh in
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this you want to be involved with people who want
you right. And throughout the course of the last year,
especially a lot of those negative leaks that were coming
out about Colin Kaepernick, he believed rightly, wrongly or otherwise
that they might have been coming from the organization. And
so when trust breaks down like that, He's at a
point now where it's it's a principal approach, you know,
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before you go further, I kind of want to eve
into what you were just talking about. You were adopted,
and we all know that Cat was adopted as will
Um And you made a point you said, as a quarterback,
a guy who was the face of a franchise, even
though he's a grown man with money, there's a part
of him that still wants to be wanted. Oh yeah,
and that that could be something that goes all the
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way back to his childhood. You don't ever want to,
you know, walk into a house where the people inside
aren't necessarily high on having you there, So I'm kind
of kind of expand on that a little bit. Yeah,
I mean that's a good point. Look at you know,
human nature, we all want to be wanted, right, I mean,
nobody wants to be somewherever they're not welcome, um except
in the v I P Area hang out and feel
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a little um. But yeah, man, I mean, look, you
know some of these things are so deeply embedded in
your being that you can't perform the way that you
know you're capable of performing because the environments so toxic.
And you know, I know from speaking to a multitude
of sources about Coln Kaepernick situation, then there were just
a number of issues with that front office where he
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does not feel comfortable anymore. He doesn't feel as if
he can trust them to be good stewards of his
career moving forward. And you know, when when you've reached
that point, I'm not gonna say it's a point of
no return, but it's very difficult to return. I'll double down.
That is a point in right. I mean, the coach
that I had the most successful out of under you
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let walk out of the building and most of the
guys in that locker room that I've talked to you personally.
You know I used to play there and I've talked
to you personally. I couldn't understand why Hardball is not
their coach. They felt betrayed from the front office. You
know what I'm saying, Um, you let the officer coordinator
and Greg Roman along with you, let them leave, and
those are my best years. Okay. No, I'm not gonna
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give you take a pay cut to facilitating anything that's
gonna help you out. We were talking a little bit
um off, you know, off camera before the podcast, and
we were talking Denver Um. You know, they kind of
you know, they're in a place where they don't have
a quarterback really Mark Sanchez. But let's just be honest,
they don't have a quarterback right now. Um. I think
a little bit opposite. I think, like you said, this
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Capital deal is gonna happen, whether whether they whether the
fort or has wanted to happen or not. Because he's
gonna get his money. He's gonna get his twelve million. Okay,
that's guaranteed. That's guaranteed. And to me, and I said
yesterday on Total Access, right now, him sitting in that
locker room, him being in those classrooms, him being in
that weight room alongside guys that they have aspirations, and
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winning the championship with this organization and it's supposed to
be your quarterback. Oh, by the way, just finished meeting
with John Elway Gary Kubiak for the second time. Who
I probably met with them more than I've met with
my own head coach. Come on, man, all the if
it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, sounds
like a duck, man, it's a damn duck. Okay, he's
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up out of there, man. So here's one thing I
agree with you, you know, the perception. I mean, I
will say this though, I know in speaking with folks
on the organization side, you know, there came a point
at whichever like, look, we're not giving this kid away
for a ham sandwich period. Like none of us are
saying that he does not have value. He has value.
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But from their perspective, you know, maybe he could have
done something differently in the locker room, you know, in
terms of him not being I'm I'm ask you how
is that going to change? So they're giving him the
twelve minute and then they're saying Okay, forget all the
stuff that we did to you. Okay, go lead this
team and be a franchise quarterback. Right if I'm Colin Kaepernick,
what's my motivation to do it. I'm gonna get this
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money regardless. I'll tell you the one thing that that
may have been able to change things, and maybe still could,
but each day that goes by you kind of lose hope.
If Jed York, the owner of the forty Niners, went
to Colin Kaepernick as a man one on one and said, look,
I know these things have occurred behind the scenes, and
again you know, I'm privy to a lot of information
that you can't really discuss. But like these things have occurred,
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we know that there's a rift in terms of trust here.
I am going to fix that. As the owner of
this team, I'm making I'm giving you my word that
this is going to change. How can you trust that
ran when the majority the things that have happened, the winds,
the winds, all the all that winning, they were doing
it with Scott mcluhen's guys, a lot of Scott mc
guys there, and you still have a general manager Trembalki,
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who from all the reports that are out there. Um,
Colin took a lesser deal because he thought that a
lot of he was gonna be able to keep a
lot of that cord together. And then you let most
of them walk out of the door. So, whether the
owners saying it or not, you can say it to
my face, bro, but as long as this guy's general
managers employed, how could I believe you? Right? So, there,
so so and then and then obviously you guys are
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aware of having played the game. There's a lot of
other people in the front office as well, right, that
you end up interacting with. So bottom line is, you know,
if you look at you say, let's let's just say
spit ball, and there's five people out there, right, and
three of them you don't trust and two of them
you do, then you got to figure out in the
hierarchy of power and authority, if the top dude is
saying it, and he's one of these people that maybe
you could trust or whatever, you say, Hey, he's saying
he's gonna do this, this and this. My point to
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you is this the only thing that may have changed.
Not to say that it will, but you know that's
what happens, man. I mean ultimately comes down to it.
You got a bunch of men, a bunch of alpha's,
and things go down, some good and some not so good,
and then you have to determine, like can we continue
moving forward and working together, you know, productively and doing
I mean, does he I know, he's like sitting like
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I don't even have a word on anything, like you
know what I mean, wait, what do you what? Is
he fitting this whole equation? Yeah, so at this point,
you know, he's the new guy at the table. Right.
So if you guys remember around the combine um right
before I reported that he had requested permission to seek
a trade, you know, it was all sunshine and rainbows,
like Colin wants to come back, he wants to be here,
and I'm sitting there like with the emoji face. You know,
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I know it's really going down, and I'm like, I
know if that's true. So so you know, you just
bite your tongue and you wait until the news is reportable,
you know, and in my position, you learn a lot
behind the scenes. It's very fascinating. You wish you could
share it with people so they understood, especially from look,
you know, I'm unabashedly pro player, like I care more
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about players than I do a tow organizations, all right.
And it's not to say I don't care about the organizations.
I do, because those organizations are the ones that compensate
the players. But I also understand the Nate and I
have talked about this, and you know, I've talked about
it offline, like what you guys go through, the sacrifices
you make, the places you've come from in order to
get to this point. And so you know, for me,
if a team overplays for a player by a million dollars,
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the overpays for a player by a million dollars a year,
they're gonna be all right. Stan Crocky is gonna be
all right, Like that's not gonna hurt his you know,
it's not gonna change his life. But for a player,
it could really mean everything and their families and and
their ability to change the trajectory of their families history.
So when I look at it from a from a
pro player perspective, a lot of times I wish I
could fill people in more on the Hey, here all
the things you don't know. Fans who think these are
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just overpaid you know jocks, and you look at I
wish you understood the struggles these guys go through the
things that they've had occurred to that. I mean, look
at one example with Kaepernick, Okay, try and keep myself
out of trouble. Here his shoulder injury. Okay, So so
he entered his shoulder and um, you guys have been
through this, you know, Team Doc looks at you, says,
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you know, I think this is going on. And then
at some point, um, if you feel like that diagnosis
is not necessarily correct, right, so you look at that
second opinion and the second opinions like, bro, this is
completely different from what you know you thought like and
and so you have to start asking questions as a player,
like so did they mislead me? Or like how did
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this occur? How did I get this information? Right? And
you know, with his shoulder, he ended up going out
to Aspen to get worked on right and and ended
up just going to work with his own people. Well
there's a reason for that, and he has not disclosed
publicly what that reason is just yet. But again, so
let's assume that he felt he was in a better
situation in terms of getting healthy to go out to
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ask meen and deal with his own people. Well, that
would indicate to me, just being a common sense kind
of guy, that maybe he didn't have as much trust
in the organization's folks as he did those folks out
and asking. So that alone is on example of the
rift that has you know, been widened between the team
and Kaepernicks at this point, and we talked about it.
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He eleven point nine million, that's his. He's got it.
So if he just sits in San Francisco like, I
want all my chips, give me my game checks, I
want my money, he's gonna get that right as long
as he comes out and he competes, you know, does
what he needs to do in order to get those checks. Denver,
on the other hand, doesn't have a quarterback. They want
him to reduce his number, but he's like, for what
I mean, you and the forty niners can figure that out.
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If they want to give you some money, you know,
to make up the difference, that's fine, but I'm not
taking any less that that makes no sense. And when
you look at where he stands, he's like, bro, I
was in the super Bowl, Like we almost won that game.
How can an organization tell their fan base that they're
truly trying to win this year, and you allow this
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quarterback to meet with the attire with with the other
team's brass pace. Okay, And I've heard about the injury
thing and why he has to ask it and all
that that actually happened. Okay. How can this man sit
in a huddle and look at each player and each
player see hope to win a championship in his eyes
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when he didn't have trust that the organization has his
best interest at hand. I just don't. To me, I
think they're at a point of no return. And to me,
if I'm Denver, I'm just gonna wait it out because
if they waited out, the fort Andanders may end up
being on the hook for his for his twelve million
dollar salary. Yeah they are, and they still may have
to cut them, just because it's a bad seed in
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the locker room. Like you you you gotta think like
pass some stuff. Just we're not much and it's part
of Chip Kelly and all that. We're not machines, right,
Like the dude got feelings and stuff like hen come
to work feeling a certain type of way. Now you know,
you know I feel just like you said it looks
like a Bronze and he's the bunk out of there.
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You feel me, yeah, But like I honestly feel like
you gotta look at it two ways. You got San Francisco,
who they got their back against the wall because trying
to figure out what they're doing at the QB position.
And then you got Denver, they got their back gainst
the wall also ran you said it, they don't have
a quarterback, but at the same time they're asking Cap
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Toler's number, so they have to look in the mirror
and say, listen, the going rate for starting quarterback is
higher than what Cap is getting paid, right, so we
do at this point, do we just make this trade happen,
cover the twelve, and move forward. If they don't end
up shooting themselves in their foot because they want Cap
to take a lower number in these stays in Frisco,
then I honestly believe the Broncos are taking a year
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off because they got the Super Bowl hangover. You're afforded
one two years and nobody's really concerned about them winning.
They're good at But if they do get camp and
they can't cultivate that talent underneath that system that rock
Os Wilder had some success at the special Man, they
will be really special. Yeah, I mean that defense is ridiculous, right,
and even losing a few pieces, they still got a
lot there. But this is this segues into an another
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interesting contract conversation. Okay, so one, he still got Fitzpatrick
out there on the market, right, the Jets low bald him,
so he's sitting around. I think Fitzpatrick is mobile enough
to play in that rollout offense, right, and he'd had
the ability to run Kubiak's offensive. They they don't even
have a caps that's the question, right, They don't even
have the cap space, right, right, So that's a question.
So so here, here's here's the thing. Okay, who do
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they have to pay. They gotta pay von Miller, right,
and they gotta pay him a lot, a lot, a lot.
If Malik Jackson and Vernon Olivier, Vernon Olivia get like
eighteen per or something like that, So then yeah, or
or you know, if if you really look at it,
because here's the way that you know the agent's gonna
look at it. We'll wait a second. If Vernon Olivier
is worth this, let's break down statistics over the past
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four or five years, whereas he I think he's worth
you know, fifty percent more than that guy. Now that
number may sound unrealistic thirty six million a year, but
statistically it is what it is. Right, m v P
won that won that championship game for him? Right, all
these prices way too hot. I'm not putting that number
out the don't. What I'm saying to you is, what
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I'm saying to you is, if you're looking at from
a statistical perspective, here's what it breaks down. She says. Okay,
well that's not realistic, but how much more valuable is he?
Well what's the thirty percent number? Now you're looking you know,
somewhere in range, right, and that's that's that's real. You
ca make a justifiable or not for that. And what
the people, well, this is what's really interesting man. So
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so what the teams will say, you know, behind the scenes,
they'll be like, look, um, we don't believe. Initially, we
don't believe that Sue deal is a fair deal as
a benchmark. You know what, we thought that's a bad
deal done by you know, folks who just overpaid for him. Okay,
but it's a real deal. Like here, here's the contract.
It's a real deal, and we want our money. So
that's the battle. Right. Well, now you've got the Vernon
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Olivier deal, so it's like, listen, now we got two deals.
So what you're saying both of them don't they are
avoid They don't. They don't exist in life. They do.
Those players are really getting that money. And I'm not
gonna do a deal where Von has paid this. But
the problem is the franchise tag is somewhere at like
fourteen million right now, right, so he can go out
there and allow them to rent him for a year
after everything he's done for the organization. Uh, and grant
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that they stuck by him too through some trying times.
But point being, at the end of the day, it's business, right.
There's another option though, and not to say that this
is happening at all, but it is a possibility. Something
you've got to at least consider. What if he just
sits out. What if they can't get past this this
franchise tag, you know, impass and he just says, you
know what, I'm not gonna report until week ten. Good luck.
They could take if they want to. I mean, you see, right,
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but they tagged him with the idea of being, hey,
we gotta keep either brock Oswaller and or Malik Jackson,
and they lost them both. So how do you think
von is sitting there right now? Well, it's not only that,
but like, like, how do you think he feels? You?
Guys can speak to this way better than me as
a player, knowing that they're trying to rent him for
fourteen million for one year. When Malie Jackson got what
he got and Olivier Vernon got what he got, can't
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his cap charge signing him for that multi year deal,
giving him a bunch of signed a bunch of money
to sign a money up front, you know what I mean,
and eliminate that and then have cap spased to sign
a Fine Fitzpatrick or a Colin Kappernick if you want
to make up that four and a half million dollars. Yeah,
I mean, teams can always figure out a way to
get get money to the players, right, So I mean
at this point it's they in all teams do this.
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They think about precedent, not only for themselves but around
the league. Some teams just don't care. I mean the
Raiders were like, yeah, we're paying collectio semily eleven point
seven period. We don't care if you had a lot
of money, had a lot of money, but you know,
cats are like, yo, it's one point seven million more
than any other guard has ever gotten paid. And a
lot of times, you know, the in terms of the teams, uh,
just the philosophy, the way that they've been brought up is, hey,
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let's try and minimize the increases in those benchmarks, you know,
to the greatest impossible, just as a team. As a
team philosophy. Not to say that they're working together and anything. Yeah,
not to say that, I mean, yeah, I mean this
is common sense, right, It's not to say that they're
working together. It is to say that when you're brought
up in a culture, it's like, you know, we don't
want to pay our our our talent anymore than we
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have to pay them. We don't want to overpay for talent.
Then that's what happens. You just and you have a
philosophical difference, like I don't want to pay more than
this guy because the highest in the market was you know, uh,
Sue at twenty per over three, right, so he has
a sixty guaranteed number. We only want to pay some
three guaranteem How do how do teams pay these guys? Like,
how can the team take on multiple quarterback salaries? Yeah,
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I wanna when you look at it, because that's what
it's turning into. Yeah. So, I mean, as you mentioned,
you can put a bunch of money upfront, and the
idea is to spread out the cap hit so that
you don't run into problems down the road. Right. So,
maybe you have the money today, but you wan't have
the money tomorrow. Or maybe you don't have the money now,
but you're gonna have the money tomorrow. Right, So, whatever
it is, each team is trying to figure out based
on their own philosophy and their thirty two different teams, right,
(26:47):
So thirty two different philosophies and their own ideas on
which talent is more valuable. Some teams really value top
tier quarterback. All teams would love to have one. But
other teams are like, hey, the COEs, we could bring
Colin Kaepernick in as long as he's a solid game
manager and does not lose the game for us, our
defense is gonna win most of our games. And oh yeah,
by the way, we just proved you can win a
(27:08):
Super Bowl like that, Right, And other teams have done too,
So I think with the Broncos right now to your
point earlier, when you take a step back, I think,
really the showdown, even though it's being a framed differently,
I think it's between the Broncos and forty niners because
everyone wants to say, well's in CAP's hands sort of,
except he's going to get that eleven point nine no
matter what. So I mean, really, you know, if you're
thinking about it, if dude is like a competitor and
(27:30):
he wants to play, how much less is he willing
to take to go to Denver? Two million, one million,
four million? I mean, who knows what that number is?
Right now he's saying zero, I want, I want all
eleven point nine. I wouldn't take it. I wouldn't take
anything less. Got eighteen and you want me to take
seven like I was in the Super Bowl. But I
don't even understand. And and brock Osweiler is you talk
(27:50):
to people around him like a lot of people think
he's very special. We went five and two at the
Helm and you gotta remember this dude was sitting on
the bench for three years, so he only had a
very small sample size, and he put him up against
Brady or or any number of very successful quarterbacks in
a seven game sample size, there's a lot to be
encouraged about. So it's not to say that Brock is
not worth what he's getting paid out there. It is
to say that Colin Kaepernick is looking at it like,
(28:11):
wait a second, I'm already making six less. I'm not
taking any less, Like you gotta pay me that? So okay,
So then Brons have a choice. You need a quarterback.
You're either going to pay him what he says he
needs to be paid in order to come over, or
you want and if you don't, like you said, maybe
their players, including von Miller, are sitting there like, wait
a second, this isn't what we signed up for. This
is not what you told me. You know what's gonna happen.
(28:33):
So it's just interesting, man, and and uh, human beings.
We all got feelings, and uh, you know, pretty soon
we could be talking about van situation. If he doesn't
get paid what he deserves on the market, what he
feels he deserves, it's gonna be very fascinating. See how
he handles out it's gonna be very fascinating. And see
how how he handles it. I can. I can tell
you this. Um, you know, I spent some time with
him recently. I didn't we didn't talk contract at all. Uh.
(28:56):
We we just we're doing a g Q shooting. We
kind of just spent some time rapping about life and whatnot.
He's carefree, man. That's a dude that's enjoying life. You
know what I mean, Like he's really enjoying life. But
in speaking of folks, um, you know who are close
to him, Like, it's clear he's he's a little bit upset,
you know, all of us again going back to you
want to feel wanted. Like he's a little bit upset. Man.
It would be nice if he could get that deal
(29:17):
that that he feels like he earned. And uh and
when you talk to you know, most people with two
working eyes out there who watched him play, they feel
he earned too. So we'll see. I would not be
shocked if he missed some games. If they if they
don't figure it out, that's that's what's uping, man, A
T D. Man. Let's get it. Let's get another beat
right here. Man, let's let's go into the next subject. Oh,
(29:52):
he had much of a beat drop right there. You
gonna're gonna wrap. I got no freestyle. I gotta understand
what you're strengths of weaknesses are? What you say? Is
that bee drop right here? It is? That's dope. That's dope. Hey, hey,
(30:16):
Nate luck Man, Uh, give us some of your give us,
give us some of your prospects. Man, what is that
is that? Honey? You're drinking and it's called Burl Lisons.
That boy has got his own honey, I'm gonna get
(30:39):
involved like that burs Honey? Are you kidding me? Oh?
First of all, and they talked to us, why you
really why you have on the Lando Magic stuff? Man? Well,
you know I'm a big NBA fan. And headliners for
the Hall of Fame this year in the NBA are
skill o'deal Allen Iverson. Yeah, I mean I have to
represent the old Jersey and I'm feeling that. I'm feeling that.
(31:04):
I'm feeling that. But you know what, and I know
I'm going a little off script here, man, but to
see you understand, I'm from Richmond, Virginia. I watched Allen
Iverson right. Uh, he was set the bar for football.
People don't realize he's bar for football down there, say
it was a Mike Vick before he was Mike Vick,
before Mike Vick was Vick. I mean, you know, him
(31:26):
and Aaron Brooks was doing their thing down their quarterback.
All right, Mike. So before I may cut you off,
but U v a all day, like that's that's what
you do. So me, I've been an Iverson fan from Afar.
So when I first got in the league, you know,
I was just a huge Iris. I bought the shoes,
the jerseys, all that. Then I got invited by a
(31:49):
third person to his event in Virginia. So I went
out there and we had a flag football game and
Iris is out there nicely at that quarterback right dropping
down doing this thing. And me, I'm still trying to
play cool because I'm like two years in the league,
but I'm a super fan and I'm starstruck. But on
the outside, I'm playing it cool. So when I see him,
(32:11):
like YEO, what's up. I appreciate you inviting me out
the here, He's like, oh, man, Nate, I know who
you are. Bro, Like, don't worry about appreciate you coming.
So right then I feel like a little girl made
it right. So then we we we played in the game,
and then that night we went to U Club as
a club love anymore, but so we went out there.
(32:34):
So I'm still just like, man, this is crazy. I
can't believe I'm going to club. But it's the whole crew,
like his whole squad, and then right and all the
people that was in the game. So I just got
out like the last vehicle. I'm in the back, just
happy to beat there. I'm cruising. So we get to
the back door. I ever since up friend and he's
like hold up, hold up, and I'm like, oh, snaps,
what's happening. What's going on? Somebody beefing? He's like, man,
(32:57):
where's nay that? And I'm like what and he looks
back like I'm like I'm I'm ready. He's like, man,
come up here, bro, don't be in the back. So
again on outside, I'm like, oh yeah, all right, I'll
be right there. But oh my god. He came up
for the around me is like you're good, bro, You're good.
(33:19):
I'm like, now, I'm good. Were walking together and I
was like, man, it's my life in it tomorrow a
I to answer. Just walked me into the Baddest club
and d C Man. We had a ball. We still
we drank. It was like one of the most unbelievable moments.
And like I said, I don't get stars struck often.
Man Man I ever seen, and everybody around him call
him Bubba dudes I ever met and I love Man.
(33:43):
Let me let me tell you Man again again. You
cut me off, But it's all good. I still love
uh and you didn't mean to cut me off. But anyway, Uh. Yeah,
being from v A may song really do his thing. Man.
But aside from all that night, and I could and
I could go on with Nate, I could echo all
of it. I've been up with him and all of that.
How he took the hip hop culture to mainstream. It
(34:06):
was unbelievable. With made tattoos. I got tattoos because I
saw Alan iverson half tattoos, and I just wanted to
have him because he had him. Um, he didn't go
with Nike. He went with Rebox Like I'm gonna do
my own thing. You know what I'm saying. He was
just he just defied all logic, all laws. He was shorter,
he was dunking on people who's doing it when his
(34:26):
scoring titles um to me, he just embodied the struggle
him body where we come from, his body, you know
what I mean, overcoming every obstacle and then too, you know,
I was. I was in the mix knowing that he
was going through, you know, the bar fights and all
of that type of stuff, man, and just knowing Streak
people that knew it went down, and knowing all the
stuff he had to overcome. Man, it's so great to
(34:47):
see him going in the Hall of Fame. Dude, Like,
big ups to AI. So you you gave a shout
out the shack man. I had to give a shout
out to AI. Um uh facts or much respect, man.
But moving on NFL Draft, Nate, I'm gonna ask both
of y'all NFL draft, man, give me some of your
favorite prospects before I give you mine. And I'm gonna
take Ezekiel Elliott um uh. And I'll go into it later,
(35:09):
but I'll tell you why you're right out the gate. Now.
Now you go. First day. I first day, okay, okay, okay,
I got it. Uh, Look, dude, I don't I don't
always think he's the fastest. Um. I like what he
does without the football, and it may be a two
or three yard catch, check down but he was available
(35:30):
for his quarterback. Nobody else was open, and he found
a lane and winning. There's an art in a craft
to running a checkdown route, man and getting available for
your quarterback. I like. I like what he does when
he has to scan the protection. He's one of the
only backs and in college football, from what I can
see on film, who literally takes everybody else that the
offensive line get. He's scanning everybody, he's protecting his quarterback
(35:53):
and he hits some square in the mouth. You see
what I'm saying. And then you notice he can carry
the ball thirty five times. He can actually be a
number one back. You don't you don't see it that much.
You don't see guys that are like the alpha dogs
that back. He did it. He did it in a
running conference, in the Big Test Conference. Um. I like Ezekiel.
And then when I saw him at the combine and
(36:15):
I talked to uh um m j D Maurice Jones,
Jones drew and he said, Man, Mike, he had a
different bounce in his step. He had a different swag.
That's all I needed to hear. Man. I like Ezekiel
ellett Man, and I think he's gonna go a little
higher than what people initially thought. Man, I think he
may crack the top ten. Yeah, I'm looking forward to
a lot of good things at tread Well at Old Miss.
(36:37):
You know, I feel like, you know, he he might
need some months of development and getting you know, in
complete shape, you know, getting his knee writing, getting back
to rare form. But the guy that stands out to
me is Corey Coleman out of Baylor. You know, I
feel like he's he's a productive individual. Um. You know,
he's a route runner. And you know, you look at
(36:58):
you know, guys like Marie Cooper last year when you
when you're out of college and you're described as a
route runner, not only does that mean your last a
long time, but it also means more importantly what that
means some guys who want to mention Um. You know,
some guys come out and you know they're strictly go guys.
Are there's slot receivers? Um. When I came out, oh three,
(37:22):
they said, he's not extremely fast, he's not gonna wow
you across the board and everything. But what he will
do is he will be really good at every single
aspect of being a wide receiver, which means I could
run every route in the book. I could go outside
and inside. So when I look at a guy like
Corey Coleman, I see that he has production in both ways.
(37:43):
So that means you could come in right now and
having immediate impact. To think about why receivers is no
matter how good you were, I don't care. In the
college passing League, you go up there and put up
a hundred and forty catches. I put up one thirty eight.
I still came in as a sub and I had
to be the wide receiver. So that's gonna be the
test of most guys. I mean, if you come out
and you're productive in college, you gotta go into a
system where coach is gonna say, hey, hey, young fellow,
(38:05):
I know you did your thing in college, but what
you need to do now is learned x Z n
F and I need to be ready to sub in
for our horses that are already here. And if you
can over exceed the expectations and outwork somebody that's already
in the lineup, then you can earn your spot. So
when I look at a guy like Corey coming out
of Baylor, for me, that stands out and on top
of that, like Baylor has rich history with putting out
(38:27):
some really, yes, they do. When you go to a
school similar to basketball and you go to the Kentucky's
and North Carolinas, you're coming in knowing I have a
chance to go to the next level, and when I
go to the next level, I'm gonna be prepared sooner
than later. I'm not gonna be you know, a guy
down the lot of senior year still wondering if I
could be productive. No, you signed the Baylor's receiver. Know what,
(38:48):
I'm gonna learn how to be a pro wide receiver
and if I get a chance, I'm improve myself. So
I like all three players. You guys mentioned the guy
that I'm paying the most attention to. And it's easy
to be a front runner with a kid this town palented.
But Jalen Ramsey man out of Florida State, He's so rare,
bro And if you I figured this out the other day,
So I was talking through it with some folks and uh,
I've spent time with Corey Colem When I spent time
(39:10):
with Jalen Ramsey, there's something different about the least at
Ezekiel and how I m J D said he had
a different bounce in this step. Something different about these guys.
And for for Jalen Ramsey, when you stand next to him, bro,
he looks so much bigger than six to two oh
nine or whatever they say. Then he's a big dude
and you know, really wide, big guy. Um. But what's
(39:30):
most important about him, what's most impressive about him to me,
is this positional versatility. He played a star nickel one year,
he played safety free safety one year when they had injuries,
he started at corner as the first true freshman to
start at corner for f s U since one beyond Sanders, right,
So that's rarefied air already. And then he went out
to the boundary corner in his last year and dominated
there and one All American based on publications, and then
(39:53):
the ape stuff three years in a row at three
different positions. So teams are looking at that guy like, yo,
you can deploy him and you were in the secondary
virtually and he can play uh and the and the
important thing about that is Peter King and Money Mower
quarterback just pointed this out. Last year they had on
nearly six of the plays, uh they were playing nickel,
(40:14):
so more than ever before you're seeing five defensive back
back fields now, and this is a guy that can
play any of those positions. So I think he's gonna
be very impressive in the league. Man. And people looked
at me and said, well, he's the safety because of
how big he is. Watch that dude play man. He
could play boundary corner. I don't now, that's what I
want to see, right. Can you match him one on
one with a Dez Bryant and he goes out there
(40:34):
and locks that dude down. He thinks he can, so
that's important. He had that. Yeah. And another guy that
you gotta keep your eye only talking about versatility is
Cravens from USC. Uh. You know, you look at an
individual who you know, play safety in high school and
then got moved into the box. You know, played some
safety in college. You know, I had a little bit
(40:55):
of trouble, you know, kind of moving in range in space.
But uh, you know what comes to mind when you
look at guys that are versare like that at the
collegiate level is nowadays Buchanon at Arizona with the Cardinals,
who you know, it's extremely talented, undersized guy who was
in the box and you guys know, just like I
know it's a copycat league. So if Arizona Cardinals have
(41:15):
success with individual like this, you better believe that the
next draft is gonna be full of cornerbacks and safeties
and inside the box individuals that teams are saying, Hey,
I'm not drafting him as a one position guy. I'm
drafting him as a hybrid. I can give these offensives fit.
So I'm obviously time will tell if he can fit
into that kind of box. But I mean that that
(41:37):
that guy is. He's special. So we'll see what happens
when draft comes around. Yeah, that's what's up many And
before we get out of here, t D, we got
a new segment. Um what you got for us today? Alright, guys,
this a new segment. It's called or Nah. Alright, it's
now we're gonna set it up, right, So I want
to reveal a story around sports or entertainment each week
before we wrap, and you guys discuss if you're on
board of this story or nah. All right, So Commissioner
(42:00):
Goodell tweeted for the first time in like three or
four years today, did not use the Jordan crime meme,
but he did say the playoffs are still likely to expand.
So I ask you guys, shoot the playoffs, which is
currently twelve teams expand or nah, oh I'm gonna say,
or no, I'm just gonna be honest. You talk about
players safety, they you know, you talk about um, you're
(42:25):
looking out for our health and head injuries and things
like that. And then on top of that, most of
us take a pay cut to go to the playoffs.
I mean, you're getting paid almost eighty ninety percent less
than what you're getting paid under the regular season. I
don't know if the benefits outweigh the negatives um parts
of it. So I wouldn't I wouldn't be for I
(42:46):
agree Michael. I feel like what the format it is
right now? You have the elite teams in the league,
and that's what it's supposed to be. As many times
as I made the playoffs versus as many times as
I didn't. Even when I didn't, I had respect for
the teams that made it because I had to look
at myself in the mirror as a team and say,
(43:06):
we just work good enough. And you know, you look
at teams sometimes that squeak in whether they're you know,
their particular division is terrible. Uh sometimes I frown. I
have a frown on my face where I'm thinking, we're
you know seven and nine? Are you like? I need
that before too? But for me, I want to see
(43:31):
the elite. So if you expand this format, then you're
really taking more teams like that, and you're you're putting
the luck of the draw. So now you're basically saying,
all right, let's give these teams that didn't necessarily deserve
to get in a chance to have that Senderella story.
Let's say the Senderella stories for marsh Madness, not the NFL. Yeah.
So so I don't disagree with anything you guys said,
(43:54):
but I'm always a fan of more good football, and
I think Nate's point is a great one, Like well
to say it's gonna be good football if you've got
lesser teams right getting in. But in some divisions we've
seen it, there are teams that should have been playoff
teams that don't get in. Right. So what you see
teams like the Houston Texas last year, who they I mean,
they got into playoffs and they were using J. J.
(44:16):
Watt any possible way they could, right, right, right, really
think that team was gonna make it to the Super
bart Yeah, so the divisional set up, right, it's gonna
create you know, some Patsy's in the playoffs. But again,
if there are really good teams that are not getting
a shot right now under the current format, and you
can add you know, an additional couple of points, right,
So I'm interesting that. But here's the bed rock though, always, Uh,
if you're adding games to the schedule, players should be
(44:40):
compensated for that, and and handsomely and and that's that's it. Like,
as long as players are compensated, well, that's something I'm
all for, you know. Uh. Last year, a hot topic
during the NFL p A Executive director elections was the
expansion of the regular season, and players are like, no,
we don't want eighteen games. When you really looked at
the proposal. What the proposal was was, Hey, we're gonna
(45:02):
get you players to free agency earlier than you otherwise
would have, which means you get paid more earlier than
you otherwise what have. But all players here is not
eighteen games. I don't want to touch that. But then
you think to yourself, well, you're just gonnat tack on
an extra year now before you actually go out and
get paid. So if you can condense that time, are
you willing to endure two more weeks of physical punishment
in a given year in order to get to free
(45:23):
agency a year earlier? All logic would dictate that that's
a better deal for players. But you guys got to
go through so much during the season. You just don't
want to hear eighteen games. That's a whole another show, right,
Like you said, it's all about the money. And speaking
of the Jordan's, it is all about the money though.
How you put up that one dollar? Bill man, it's
(45:48):
got his own money. Anytime I do the podcast at home,
I'm asking treats whether this Jersey Jordan dollar b or
whatever that's I got. I got something else. I got
something else from Rand that I'm in the show. Okay,
I keep on because I mean, you already know I
got a total less meeting waiting for me downstairs. Dog.
(46:09):
And the more you keep talking, the more trouble let
me get into. Fine, Well, well listen, this is the
last thing I got for Rand. You know what I'm saying. So, uh,
you know, obviously Calvin Johnson retired and you know I'm
a sneaker guy, so I have to go dip in
my closet. So I'm gonna show y'all exclusive sneaker every time.
So here we go with the Calvin Johns right, turn
(46:31):
it to the side. I like, oh day, ducks, Ducks,
they lace Oregon, they lace Oregon, they lace Oregon. Crazy.
So Ran, if you, if your foot wasn't so small,
(46:51):
let your head these and she like a side nine.
I'm hurt ten and a half say that many. Look,
I'm still I'm still waiting for my lying blood outfit.
All that you gave everybody else and you never gave
your co host. Hey, what's next? Hey man? We out
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