Week 1 Chaos, Top Week 2 Waiver Wire Moves, and Rookie Risers

Marcas Grant, Michael F. Florio, and LaQuan Jones break down all the madness from Week 1 of the NFL season. The guys start with key injury news from the 49ers (3:46) before diving into waiver wire moves, including the Chiefs’ backfield (6:27). Then it’s a round of “What the Bleep is Going On?” with the Patriots, Raiders, Broncos, and Lions (16:04). The crew also highlights standout rookies (33:24), reacts to Aaron Rodgers’ debut performance (45:06), and debates AJ Brown’s quiet start (49:54). Plus, they unpack the Bengals’ gritty win (52:31) and give you the best waiver wire targets for Week 2 (54:48).

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wow, Hey everybody, It's Monday, September eight, twenty twenty five.
Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, where if your
NFL team is one and now say yo, yo, gentlemen.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
We all sweated through Week one, sure did. This is
not easy.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
I thought we were gonna be owing three coming into Monday,
but all three of our teams pulled out victories. The
Niners getting a late stripsack from Nick Bosa, the Rams
getting a fumble forced by Landman which allowed me to
see a lot of memes of Billy Bob Thornton in
his series of the same name, and the Bills literally

(00:51):
pulling one out of the fire to get a late
field goal, a walk off field goal by Matt Prater
to win it.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
So, as my father would say, they don't ask how,
they ask how many, and all of our teams are
now want to know.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
So let's go that.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
Part something about a certain fan base saying the fraudulent
MVP or something.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
I don't really hear much of that, Laura. This guy's
early with the twists and man, that's insane.

Speaker 4 (01:19):
Come on, I mean the amount that was said all
off season, it is deserved.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
I got the MVP chance as well. You heard him,
he got the MVP chance. You know they're going back
that work out for him.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
It's it's sort of like both those quarterbacks are good
and we should just appreciate them. Yeah, I think that's
the thing. Obviously, there's a lot of fantasy stuff going
on too, because that's the whole point of this show.
How are you guys, fan? I know there's still Monday
night games? How are your fantasy squad's looking so far?

Speaker 4 (01:51):
Floria mixed results, some great, some not so hot, some
where I'm like, all right, once you know, the rookies
start getting more involve it'll be great.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
And then a couple where I'm like, I don't, I don't.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
I Also I shot myself in the foot in the
league or two with some start decisions, and that happens
in week one.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
That happens. Overall, feeling pretty good. How about you, guys,
how would you let ok? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Man, I already felt the wrath of losing by one point.
AJ Brown shout out to you.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
Man.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
My home league where all the homies are in. They're
all in the text Messa change. They all hit me up.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Like, oh staring off.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
Oh one already do a bad start, like folks, fellas,
keep there.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
I lost.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
I said it to you guys in the King's Classic,
I lost by point.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
One god By Welcome to the league. Yeah, man to
where pal Mauricio Gutierrez.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah, I'm doing mostly okay.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
In the home League.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
I somehow need Justin Jefferson to score fourteen or fewer
points and I'll pull that one out. Could have had
a lot more cushion if I had started a Meccha
abuka over I have. I have two divide. I got
Avante Adams and DeVonta Smith. I could have started a
book O over either one of those guys and uh
and had a little bit more cushion. But I just

(03:07):
need Justin Jefferson to be good, not great, and I
can pull one out in the home leay.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Other than that, everything looks pretty good. Is one of
the leag I got.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
I kind of got thumped in, but everything else looks
looks pretty good so far.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
And then of Monday night, I only care about my
home league with my friends because I have to literally
hear them directly of all their trash talking.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Oh I'm cooking, We're good. Started. Javonte Willings started off
the season right for you, boy. So we're good. We're
so good.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
We're going to dive through some things that seem a
little bit weird in week one, have a little bit
of overreaction theater as well, check on some rookies, and
of course, because it's Monday, we'll give you some waiver
wire options.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
From week one heading into week two. But want to
start with a little bit of news because so guys
did get banged up in week one. No surprise there.
George Kittle, being a big one, had a touchdown early.
I see you with your finger pyramid of doom down there.
La Kwan left with a hamstring injury.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
He's expected to have an MRI, so we'll see the
severity of it and maybe how long he's going to
be out. In the meantime, Mike Flora, I'm gonna ask you,
wtf is a Jake Tanjus And do we want to
add him right now?

Speaker 4 (04:16):
I feel like of all of us, you could speak
best on this situation.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Who is the sky?

Speaker 4 (04:21):
I will say I didn't come away being like we
need to add him there, but I need to to
see what how long Kittle's out for and stuff right
like if he misses a long period of time.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Then maybe my tombe will change. Maybe I will say
this in the group chat, you know, with the folks
back home, there was kind of unanimous who the hell
is this guy?

Speaker 1 (04:45):
I mean, like nobody really seems to know who he was.
One of my friends actually kind of knew him because
Ton just went to Cal where he played his college ball.
My friend is a big cow fan. He's like, yeah,
I remember him from Cal. He wasn't really a big
contributor there. So he's actually been in the league for
a couple of years. Was with the Bears in twenty

(05:06):
twenty two, I believe it was missed all of twenty
three with an injury. Appeared in sixteen games for the
forty nine ers, didn't record a single offensive statistic, and
now all of a sudden, thrust into the spotlight where
he basically, you know, saved brock Perty's bacon and caught
what was did the game winning touch tow Hey, look,
I'm not gonna lie to you.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
It was a dumb throw. Ton just just sort of
pulled it out of the air.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yes, luckily, So look again, they don't ask how, they
ask how many, So I would say this, I wouldn't
go blowing a lot of fab on Jake Tongs. The
problem right now is Juwan Jennings also hurt, dealing with
a shoulder injury. Not sure the severity of that. So

(05:50):
we saw Ricky Piersall get a bunch of targets. You know,
beyond that, it's gonna be Ricky Piersall, it's gonna be
Christian McCaffrey and maybe a sprinkling of some other. They
just signed Kendrick Bourne to a one year deal that
was earlier on Monday morning. You know, I think your
answers right now pretty much are Pearsall and McCaffrey.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
And if you need tight end help or wide.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
Receiver help in the short term, you're probably looking away
from San Francisco for that because fact it's just not
gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
It just it happened fast. They're waiting for Jennings, The're
waiting for Ayuk. We'll see what's up with Kettle. There
you go.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
One that maybe we have a little bit of easier
answers to maybe Xavier Worthy, who suffered a dislocated shoulder
in the Chiefs season opener. Still no timeline for him
to return. I believe there's an Mri coming for him
as well. I mean, Lakawan. We saw Travis Kelsey get
plenty of targets, We saw Marquise Brown get plenty of targets.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Anybody else in that chiefs offense? You're willing to take
a swing at on the.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Waiver wire with Worthy out for what looks like it
could be an extended period of time.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Yeah, real nasty work. How he went out, man, I
mean only fire off of Kelsey. I means a huge
dude taking each other route. Yeah, like seriously, I mean
it was Mahomes and Rise, now it's Kelsey and Worthy.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Like, what's going on? Man?

Speaker 1 (07:10):
I got my homes took out Rice. I forgot all
about that, So I forgot that part. Yeah he's the problem.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
But anyway, looking at the wide receivers, man, I want
to correct you real quick, mGy. We had Hollywood Brown
in the week one and that's it, all right. I
think we had Hollywood Brown in week one. He earned
his name, He earned the stripe. Sixteen targets got I
mean ten catches. I mean it was one yard short
from one hundred yards, So I would be like, okay,
that was very Hollywood of you.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
But he did start off Rocky because.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Once he dropped that screen pass or whatever it was,
it was short to the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
It just fell off his hands. He was ready. I'm like, yep,
this is why we call you Marquise brother and ain't Hollywood.
But he was. He was Pimbroke, Pembroke Park Brown is
what he was.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah, but I do see myself spinning some fab, not
a lot, not breaking the bank because we all know
the week one wonders. I mean, once upon a time, Sammy,
we see how that played down the rest of those seasons.
So I look at this as I would dropt right now.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Hey, chillow man, he was. He was a ram. He
was a Ram two. That's true. But I do feel like.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
I would drop some fab on Hollywood Brown, just some
I'm not breaking the bank for him, like I will
acquire him based on you know, we know there's gonna
be tons and tons of injuries on this Chiefs offense
and worthy likely in the air.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
You need somebody who's going to catch the ball from Mahomes.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, I'm just wondering because you know, Brown is probably
out there in a few leagues.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
I know he got drafted in a lot of spots
at Florio teams.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Oh yeah, look I've got him in a couple of
spots too, So I was I was sort of excited
to see that Florida.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Would you would you drop some fab on Juju? Would
you do that? Not on Juju? I would on Mark.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
He'th Brown because I think there's potentially a five week
runoff where he's going to be the top target for
it all depends on Worthy. I know they're saying he's
trying to play through it and stuff. We'll know more
as the week goes on, But yeah, I would for Brown.
I'm not Juju because the ceiling I feel like is
so low right, like he's kind of he's still playing

(09:10):
tight end for them. And speaking of tight end, I
am really worried about Travis Kelcey. Like I know, he
had that long catch and run for a touchdown. He
had four targets in a game where the Chiefs were
trailing throughout, and they lost their number one wide receiver immediately.
So like I i' mean they get the Eagles next week.

(09:31):
I haven't decided yet, but I've spent far too much
time last night and in this morning going back and forth.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
If I want to include Travis kelce as a sit
or not. Ooh.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
I mean, considering the way the Eagles clamp down pretty
much on the entire Chiefs offense in the Super Bowl,
but Travis Kelcey kind of a non factor as well.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
I think it's worth a conversation. I do. I think
it's worth the conversation for sure. Uh yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Just you know, I'm looking at the rest of that
wide receiver room. I mean, Taekwon Thornton got a few
deep shots.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
He's a bestball kind of guy. He's a best ball guy.
Another Thornton that's a bestball guy. Like don say the
name Sarah.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Apparently the one thing I will say about the Chiefs
in Week one, at least they seemed true to their
word that they wanted to go downfield. I mean they
took shots downfield.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
It didn't always connect, but you really did see Mahomes
making an effort to be more vertical.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
So we'll see if they can keep that up. Things
may change, though, with no Xavier Worthy.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
For the world where the only Chiefs you play are
Mahomes and Mark Keith Brown.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Like Pacheco was not good, they running back.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
I full disclosure, I had him as a sit this week,
and I was huge on Pacheco, Like the running back
usage was awful for Week one.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yeah, this this Chiefs team. It might not be Fantasy
great again.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
It could still be, but it's one week, but it's
looking like it might be more like last two years.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
I will say I have a few leagues.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
Where I'm a little bit deeper on the bench where
I'm holding Rishard Smith. I am hoping Matt Nagge just
unleashes Bastard Smith in the passing game next week. Just
give us a preview of what you want him to
do in the passing game. If Worthy's gonna miss time.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Can can we just get Kareem Hunt gone?

Speaker 4 (11:19):
Like if he was gone, these two Pacheco and Smith
could eat.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
But Hunt is a big thorn in the sun. I
think he's good friends with Holmes. They gotta be something.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
But he also was probably the most effective back they had.
Crazy they were using him in short yards, they're down situations.
He seems like he's the most effective guy. But you're right,
the ceiling is not there at all. Before is but
but Hunt is getting the valuable touches. I think Pacheco

(11:49):
will be better. I mean it's hard to be worse
than he was in Week one. I didn't think he'd
have a great game, but I you know, I actually
had him in the like eleven, you know, ten eleven
point range, Like I feel like that would have been
a kind of a sort of thing for him.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
I did not think he would be as bad as
he was. He's also on my wife's team, so I'd
heard about it all week and long, So that's great. Nice.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Speaking of running backs, quin Shawn Judkins signed his rookie
contract over the weekend.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
There was zero chance he was gonna play in Week one.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Has missed the entirety of the preseason as he was
dealing with legal troubles and allegations. Everything has been cleared
since then, so he is under contract now. There is
some talk he could play in Week two. Wild that's
I guess positive for the Browns. The negative, Florio, is

(12:38):
that they're in Baltimore at the Ravens and have to
deal with that Ravens defense.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
I got a lot of questions.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
I'm guessing you guys have probably gotten some questions about
picking up Judkins, which I said, absolutely pick him up.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
But Floria, would you start him in Week two? Against Baltimore.
Absolutely not.

Speaker 4 (12:56):
Peek behind the curtain. I have him as a sit
for week too. I have, and if he plays, I
think it ruins Dylan Sampson as well. Dylan Samson was
very useful in Week one, eight targets. Flacco's clearly gonna
dump the ball off a lot. But now if you're
adding Judkins in and say what you will about the Ravens,
I know people are gonna be like they gave up
forty one points and everything like that. That defense is loaded,

(13:19):
like there is so much talent on that side of
the ball and they are so like I kept you
could ask Nicolette I was last night. Like everyone says,
the strength of this team is the Bills D line.
They were getting mollywopped time and time again by that
Ravens D line. Like it it it took a lot
of special stuff for the Ravens to give up forty

(13:41):
one points last night. I think they're gonna have a
tremendous success at home against the Browns. So if Judkins plays,
I think it takes away all of the Browns running backs.
And I'll also tell you like I'm not I'm not
excited for any Brown next week because they're gonna get
an angry Ravens team in Baltimore and it's they struggle
to put up too coin Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
There's an other world you're facing week two. Yeah, it's
gonna be bad.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Or if you had to whole, I should say this,
of the three backs, right, Jerome Ford, Dylan Samson, and
now Quinn Shawn Jenkins, which one is the odd man
out there?

Speaker 2 (14:16):
It's gonna be Jerome Ford.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
I mean we're forgetting about Rocket Sanders as well, who
was on that team that took on Yeah, he took
the short yardage and he had two opportunities in the
red zone. So I'm looking at it like, oh so,
Jerome Ford's gonna be the odd man out soon as
Jenkins comes back, because we've got to look at the
quality of this backfield. I mean, Sampson definitely showed up,
showed out as a pass catcher.

Speaker 5 (14:36):
Man.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
I mean, look, he is really nasty in the passing game.
He's able to break tackles, get a field and put
his foot in the ground and juke you out of
your socks. Like That's exactly what we see him coming
out of college. So I think he solid, like he
made his role very solid as the pass catcher in
the backfield. It's gonna be junkins where he's gonna be
able to get light on his feet and be able
to take on in this backfield as the RB one.

(14:57):
So I'm looking at this back for where, like a
lot of folks went out there and grab Jerome Ford,
I'll be looking to kind of just move him off
my bench. Like it looks like this backfilm is going
to be a constant headache trying to figure out who's
going to be doing what.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah, that's the hard part is trying to figure out
how this thing's gonna break down at this point.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
And I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
I think it's probably Jerome Ford who sort of gets
pushed to the background, but even that may take a
couple of weeks, and even that might not be consistent
like it. I also can see a world where all
three of these guys just sort of rotate and they
go with whoever the hot hand is, which is the
worst of all scenarios, especially on a bad team that's
not gonna score a lot of points. And by the way,

(15:36):
Rockett Sanders scores a touchdown, and I saw a lot
of Sanders scores for the Browns.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
No, not that one, not out that one. Not that one. No,
not that one that was fun.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
Let's take a quick breakway to come back and talk
about some weirdness, a little bit of what the bleep
is going on after week one. We'll also have a
rookie report as well. Sticker out for more of the
NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. A little something that Lakwan cooked
up in the text chat about a week or so ago,
little segment we're gonna call.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
What the is going on? I think it especially right
now we need a bleed button right. It especially applies
after week one, But I do think it's gonna be
a thing that will recur all year long. So let's
just start in New England. We were all hyped about
Travion Henderson. The a VP was going to the moon

(16:33):
and beyond. It was.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
It was buzz light year, to infinity and beyond was
the hype for Travon Henderson. And then Remindre Stephenson out
snaps him on Sunday for you what the is going on?

Speaker 4 (16:46):
Usual rookie stuff where like the coach has to let
the rookie slowly come on, and so I'm not I
came away from yesterday being like, if you watch the game,
Travion Henderson is easily the best running back. Like, he
had fewer carries than Ramandre Stevenson and nearly doubled him
in rushing yards. He doubled him in targets and receiving yards.

(17:09):
I know it wasn't the huge day from Henderson, but
also if you watched that game, it was a very
slippery field. It wasn't like pristine conditions or anything like that,
and he still looked better because the thing that gets
sapped on like fields like that tends to be big,
explosive runs, especially for a shifty runner. But now I

(17:30):
came away from yesterday, I have Henderson as a start
for Week two. I feel good that it's only going
to continue to grow and grow.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
And grow his workload. And yeah, just watching them it
to me, I don't even think it's close talent wise.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
I was put it together my list of sleepers for
week two, and I'm like, do I does Trayvon Henderson
count as a sleeper?

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Does it?

Speaker 4 (17:51):
You know?

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Because he was so hyped by folks like us this offseason.
I know it wasn't great in Week one, but I'm
like this dude was like a third round pick a.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Lot of leagues.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
It's hard, it's hard for you to, you know, do
the mental gymnastics necessary to call him a sleeper. But
I may try, Uh stay tuned when the column comes
out on Thursday and see if he made.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
The cut in sleepers for sure. I mean, look, want
any real worry about Stevenson, Maybe hold it out of
that RB one gig in New England. Absolutely not.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
I mean, like Florio said, if you watch the game,
you already see who's the most dangerous and most electric
of that backfield.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Like, I don't know what the game plan was.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
I don't know if we were just hyping them to up,
we were giving away the game plan to the Raiders,
and you know, Rabo's kind of like, yo, let's hype
it down, let's put it down.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
You know, well, we'll unlock him next week.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
But I do feel like, you know, to me, I
am satisfied that I had him in my starting lineups
as my flex Like, I'm okay with the production. Got
the dude had six targets, six catches, Like that's all
I need to see. There's some type of usage for
this backfield. So I do think that Stevenson will fade
the blacksim and then it'll be Antonio Gibson.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Starting over him soon and so well it'll be the
Anders real real quick. I don't don't don't. I mean, look,
nothing against Antonio Gibson.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Let's just not put let's just not put a third
running back in the atmosphere.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Hey, let's go Antonio Gibson. Let's not.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Although I will say this, he is the only running
back on my Scott Fish ball team.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
So that's insane.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
He's the only right because I just because you know,
you're playing on the sleeper platform, you get one and
a half points per reception.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
For you know, wide receives.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
I forgot you don't there's no positions for a minute,
I thought you went in with.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
It's like a couple of quarterbacks and like a bunch
of flexes. So like, yeah, it's like.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Late in the drift because all the running backs that
I kind of wanted kept getting taken right before I
could get to him. If I'm looking around and like
the and like the next to last round or whatever
it was, I was like.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Tonio Gibson, he might catch a couple of fastes. It
makes sense once you explained it. But on its head,
it sounds crazy, just like.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
I'm sure I was like, you're gonna lose, which I
might anyway because the scott Fish Bowl is really hard,
But yeah, that's that's my logic behind him on.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
The other side of that, right, the Raiders.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
We came into the season, Lakwan looking at the Raiders
like they got Pete Carroll's their head coach.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
They brought in Chip Kelly. They drafted Ashton Genc.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
We were drafting Ashton GenZ in the first round because
the Raiders are just gonna run.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
The football, but what if they don't. All of a
sudden they run thirty eight pass plays, Gino Smith goes
for three hundred and sixty two yards twenty four rushing plays.
Genc was just kind of Eah macquy, what the is
going on? The failed conditions? Man?

Speaker 3 (20:38):
They were playing on a terrible soccer field that look
like that got rained out man, and Nasha Genty just
kept slipping. I mean, he needs to get those eight
inch click clicks that they got, you know, whatever the
case may be. But I think I'm troughing that up.
Is like, this was just a terrible, terrible game. Just
to feel the play of quality of play from this
entire offense. When it comes to getting Ashton Genty the ball,
the game plan should have been feed him the ball

(20:59):
twenty twenty five times, regardless of the field conditions. But
they wanted to showcase that twelve personnel, which I would
think Chip Kelly was under the impression then he wants
to get Michael Maher involved just as much as the
brock Bowers, which.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Is kind of scary.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
But it's like one of those things that they were
able to go out there and put on a productive offense.
And I do like the Raiders offense a lot better
now seeing what they have on the table.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
I mean, Gino Smith.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
Airing it out man top five in air yards right
now currently, you know, heading into the Monday night. So
I look at this offense is that there's opportunities for
Jacobe Myers who showed up and showed down and said, hey,
you better pay me my boy. But I think there's
going to be higher upside next week for Ashton Genty,
So I'm not worried just yet.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
Nineteen carries thirty eight yards did have a touchdown, a couple.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Of targets that really didn't amount to much. They had
two catches for two yards, you know, key pounding the rock.
I'm excited to get excited about. I'm okay.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Granted they probably are not going to be as pass
heavy going forward, but for you look at this targets
to Jacobe Meyers, eight targets to brock Bauers, that is
to be expected. Is there anybody else in that pass
catching group that you have any level of confidence in
or is it just gonna kind of be those two
that it's funneled through.

Speaker 4 (22:13):
I so confidence it's those two. But I'm very interested
in Deontay Thornton. I know right now he is just
like a big play guy, and he did showcase that
he could make one of those big plays yesterday in
the game.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
He had a long catch.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
Twenty two routes, though in his first game, like Trey Tucker,
didn't do a whole lot. I think it's possible that
Thornton could overtake and become the number two wide receiver
and two wide receiver sets and stuff, and then Michael
Mayer like, there's some there's talent there. We've all spoken
about that on this show plenty. So if one of
those two could step up and be the number three target.

(22:52):
Obviously the bar for success is a little bit lower
at tight end, but I do think there's potential there,
just not confident enough to be like, yes, start these
guys anything like that.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
It's it's wild, though, because Bowers was off the field
for a good long stretch in the first half of
fact you'll just twenty one routes run to seventeen rats
run for Michael Mayer.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
So I don't know if that was a weird week.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
One thing, I know, Bowers, you know, had a knee injury,
got hurt at some point. The Raiders say it's not serious,
so there's nothing to really panic about, but very weird
that early on we saw a lot of Michael.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Mayer to your point.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
I mean, it's the guy who you know, set a
tight end receiving record at Notre Dame. That's no small feat.
So he obviously has talent, he can play. He just
right now is overshadowed by you know, the best young
They hit us in the game.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
They hit us with the we have two tight end ones,
and honestly, I believe that thirty five percent of the
time they ran the twelve personnel. So I think that's honestly,
what we're going to see moving forward, if they're going
to have two tight end ones.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Yeah, I just I mean, I think there was some
talk of it, and they definitely showed that on Sunday.
I don't know how this works in terms.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Of a passing game. You know, we'll see, we'll see. Uh,
you know, I in in a great world.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Uh it turns out sort of like you know, Gronk
and Aaron Hernandez when they had a really roll in
there in New England. How both those guys were startable
Fantasy options would love that. I you would want to
wait another week or two before I'm ready to proclaim
that that that's what's happening just right now, Quen, I'm
gonna I'm gonna direct this one at you because you
are the RJ Harvey Stan of record on this show. Look,

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Harvey had a big run that kind of helped his
numbers at the end.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
JK. Dobbins ended up having a decent game and scoring
a touchdown, but a lot of Tyler Batty playing why Sean, Why?

Speaker 4 (24:47):
What?

Speaker 2 (24:48):
What the why? Going on? Man?

Speaker 3 (24:50):
This fits perfect for the segment what the bleep is
going on? Because why is he on the field, Like,
why is he even playing? The twelve snaps were not
even contributing to anything of.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
What it was like r J.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
Harvey touched the ball only twelve percent of the team
and he led the entire team in scriamas charge.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
What are we doing Sean? Like we need to have
a conversation, Like I don't know if somebody needs to
just bump on my head, Like do not use r J.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Harvey like you use Marvin Mims, Like, don't try to
use him sprinkling him in in the offense when you
want to whenever you feel like it.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
No, he is the offense. What are you doing?

Speaker 3 (25:23):
And like, my boy, bo, come on now, he getting
too comfortable. It was not a great game for bow
And then you want to sprinkle an r J. Harvey
to get the spark going for the offense so they
can go down there and score.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
If you do it, it will work. Okay, let's just
don't play the silly games to get too cute. It
don't make sense.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
It took to get to this point. This is what
Sean Payton does.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
I mean, didn't I spend the whole offseason warning you
about this Lakwan. I spent all this time warning you
this summer that this is what Sean Payton does.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
He hates our fantasy teams. He hates our fantasy Sure.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
It has to be that, Like if he comes out
and say I hate your fantasy teams, then okay, I
respect it.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
I understand you.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
Cool, I will know better. But this just does not
make sense. It looks like you're trying to sabotage your
own team. Like what are we doing?

Speaker 1 (26:14):
I just again, like Harvey showed his explosiveness, had the
one big run that set up the Dobbins touchdown a
play or two later, so you know it's there, But
he only had six carries in the entire game.

Speaker 4 (26:27):
I can't use him until we see him. Like I
have him as a sit this week, and I have
a lot of RJ. Harvey, But like, I don't think
you can start him until we see him get like
because he's not gonna have a fifty yard run every week,
and if he's gonna get seven touches again next week,
it's too difficult to.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
I think moving forward, JK. Dobbins is the Broncos running
back to start until we see otherwise. That sounds terrible.
I'm sorry. It hurts me just as much. Maybe not
as much, but it does hurt me.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Dobbins for sixty three in a touch though, I mean,
that's that's not bad considering the draft cap. Well, you
probably spent to get him, so that part is actually okay.
And to your point, I mean, he had sixteen carries.
You know, he had a couple of targets.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Baby's hurting him to those six targets, Like, yeah, yeah,
I don't. I don't know. There's some words that I
can't say on here that I will say offline.

Speaker 4 (27:17):
Sees Sean Payton, I don't think it's that he hates
our fantasy team. I think it's that he falls in
love with the fringe guys at the end of his
roster and is like, I need to find a way
to get this guy some touches.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Well, you know, I think every now and then, Sean
Payton wants to remind us that he's the smartest guy
in the room. He just has to remind everybody he's
the smartest guy in the room, and he's gonna find
some other way to do things that nobody ever thought about.
I mean, that was how Taysom Hill became a thing
for so many years. It just it started out as
like something kind of fun to do, and it's like, oh,

(27:49):
this is kind of working.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
We're gonna make this into a thing. And you know,
we all and no one else wanted nobody else.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Uh now he was piece that fit in that particular
puzzle and and.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Really, nowhere else what are we doing?

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Speaking of puzzle pieces, the Lions lost a couple of
big puzzle pieces, losing their offensive coaching staff to various
places around the league. John Morton takes over as the
offensive coordinator. Lions offense didn't look particularly great. I know
that was one of the big questions coming in, right,
how are things gonna go in Detroit without Ben Johnson

(28:26):
and Tanner Ingstrom and you know a lot of other
pieces there. I don't know that this is quite as
urgent as maybe Tyler Bady playing or Remidre Stevenson getting
a ton of snapsman Floya, what the is going on
in Detroit?

Speaker 4 (28:40):
I am pretty worri Look, I know it's one game,
and it week one is a liar, and it was
against the really good Packers defense that has always given
like Jared Goff has never played well in Lambeau as
a Lion, and this defense has has and then they
added Michael Parsons. So I get all that and I understand,
but I think Week one went about as poorly.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
As it possibly could have for the Lions. It wasn't
even the.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
Fact that they averaged three point eight yards per play,
which is worse than any individual game in the three
years that.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Ben Johnson was there. It was the fact that Jared
Goff was constantly under duress.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
The Lions gave up a lot of pressure yesterday, And
maybe it was more just me watching it and feeling
that way. I haven't checked the actual stats yet, but
he was. It felt like he had no time to throw.
There was no deep plays because he was constantly looking
to get rid of the ball right away.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
And as Lakwan could speak on better than me, Jared
Goff under duress is not what you want to see. Great.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
Jared Goff is at his best when he has time
and he could go through his progressions and all of that.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
So just as much as Ben Johnson being away, them
losing the interior of their offensive line, I think was
greatly dismissed this offseason, and it reared its ugly head
in Week one and you guys could and I've gone
back and forth.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
It's against the Bears, who we haven't seen them play
yet this year, but last year they were the best
team against quarterbacks in the NFL fantasy wise. But Jared
Goff is at home. I am considering saying to sit
Jared Goff next week? Do you guys think I'm crazy?

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Adai, You're crazy? I mean, I think again, I think
it's a conversation to be had.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
I would feel okay, I said, I feel okay, not
great about starting Jared Goff next week at home?

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeahs.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
As Adam Rank has famously said before, Jared Goff is
an indoor cat and he will be indoors. That's the
good news. The bad news it is going to be
against this Bears defense. So yeah, I think I think
there are definitely two sides to that coin. That's what
I have to be discussed about this.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Yeah, the good How do we feel Laquad? How do
we feel about Jamior Gibbs pulling a one Dale Robinson yesterday?
What the ten catches for thirty one yards?

Speaker 1 (31:02):
It's ten chesches on tin targets for three one yards?
Like I haven't been randalized against full point PPR. This
should do it.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
Well, yeah, you should be like looking at this like
huh thirty like one hundred and thirty one yards or
thirty one like that don't make sense. Ten catches and
he led the team like I think John Morden kind
of galaxy bring this whole week one game plan because
like I just was disgusted of everything I've seen, like
on that offense, like five point five yards per ten
from Jared calf that's super conservative. And folks who are

(31:33):
like the Lions fans on the timeline where like trying
to justify it, like, well, he's playing really good, he's
completing all his fastest okay, but they're going nowhere, Like
what are we talking about. You're not seeing a mon
raw in the design play of being drawn open. You're
not seeing jameson William being is electric that we know
he can be, Like Sam Laporta was like the main piece,
which is kind of disgusting to say and look at,

(31:53):
but what are we actually looking at on this Lion's offense?
And then next week you got Ben Johnson, the creative
brain of that and knowing every weakness of Jared Golf,
like this is going to be a terrible, terrible star for.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
The Lions for this season.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
So like, I'm not going out there pushing out James
Williamson in my starting line. I'm not going out there
even thinking about putting David Montgomery, like guys like Jamior Gibbs.
We paid the investment. You gotta start him, my mon rop.
He wasn't that sexy first round pick. But I still
think like you should feel confident in rolling him out
that he remains the function of this offense.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Yeah, yeah, I just don't go.

Speaker 4 (32:28):
I don't have the options to get away from jameson
Williams the way where I drafted him, Like I'm sort
of locked in, right, I mean, it's hard to get
away from him.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
I do think it's funny that you know, people latching
out a completion percentage here because yeah, sure he.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Passes, but I go anywhere where did they go?

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Like it didn't it didn't didn't get good shout out
to Isaac Tesla.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
I was happy about the touchdown, the one hander he
got that was impressive. Yeah, it was like he does
all he does is score, So I think you need
to start leaning into that.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
Start by Jared Goff Superflex teams really liked that one.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
That was about the only thing. That's about the only thing. Also,
I think we should start saying his name, like Kendrick
Lamar says Mustard. I like it. That's a going across
the screen. Yeah, you know, back there for sure.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
I want to get to do a quick little rookie
report some of the notable rookies in their NFL debuts.
A Mecca Abuka had a huge day, six targets, four
catches for sixty seven yards, and two touchdowns on my bench, Thanks,
that's not you. That's not your fault in Mecca, that's
my fault. That's that's user error here. But you know,
I think there's more in that not the only one.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Like I had him on my bench to this because
where we were drafting the degenerates we were.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
He wasn't going in the sixth round. He wasn't going
in the fifth round.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
You know, like when we drafted him, we were already
getting on our running backs, getting all.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Our wide receivers. So the least that I did say,
I'm kind of just like, okay.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
Well yeah whatever, there's no way I was gonna bench
the other guys that I had.

Speaker 4 (34:05):
I set him for pickings in the league, and I
think I might flip that this week.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Oh all right, that's that's it. That's interesting. That's something
we can talk about for sure.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Uh, Jakoi, Krosky Merrick, get your Bill puns ready. I'm
just a Bill, only a Bill, and I'm sitting here
just running the pill Sin carries eighty two yards and
a touchdown. Got your fourteen point two fantasy points? Are
we ready to say Lakwan that he is the RB
one in Washington? I mean, hey, Chris Rodriguez a healthy

(34:34):
scratch in week one.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
You hear that the Chris Rariguez revolution is gone. It's
dead because it made no sense to even begin with,
to be made overnight.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Yes, it is Bill. It is always gonna be Bill.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
He is the RB one for the commanders, and he's shown,
for the limited the touches that he did have, that
he can be very, very lethal in that in that backfield. Now,
honestly think Austin Eckler still has a role, of course,
but when it comes down to it, he looked the part.
He looked the role smooth sweet feet tap dancing at
the lion of scrimmage and getting through all the holes
that he needed to get through. And this is a

(35:08):
guy that was drafted in seventh round. This is a
guy that is a rookie and his debut come out
and swinging and putting all the haters to bed. So
I am ready to publicly say to Corey Crossley, Marrit
needs to be considered as a flex on a week
to week basis.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
How do you So we've talked about this, you know
with RJ.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Harvey, it probably applies to Travis Etn who I know,
Flora Lakwan you predicted to have.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
A big week and he absolutely did. Yeah, shout out
to you because you were on top of that. But
when you look at some of these guys who statistically
the day looks good, but then you dive into it
and there's like one big run, right. R J. Hire
Harvey had the one big run for.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Like fifty yards, had a seventy yard run. You know
JCM has a forty two yard run. How do you
weigh that right?

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Because it you can't you can't rely on that every week.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
And for those guys, like the number of carries was
sort of down, like how you know, would you right
Stardum settle.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
I mean like how do you how do you take
that into account?

Speaker 4 (36:11):
Usage matters more than production, and especially early on in
the season. And that's why, Like, I know people are
worried about Amaron Hampton and I wrote about him, and
I'm like, don't be like he had absolutely elite usage.
That's why I'm not worried about Ashton Gent at all.
But eighty six percent of the snaps, you know, like
Krossky merrit look, he looked good. He did something that's

(36:33):
never been done before, seventy five yards in a touchdown.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
No player taken after the top two hundred picks has
ever done that in their debut Woo.

Speaker 4 (36:40):
But Eckler and Nichols had combined for just as many
carries as him, Jayden and Daniels had more carries than him,
Deebo Samuel got involved in it, and j cm bill
wasn't utilized in the passing game. I think this was
a good.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Week one for him. I think people are going to
make it bigger than it should be.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
Like of the names you mentioned, like Etn is the
one that I'm like, I was wrong about him in
the summer, and I'm writing about him as a start
this week because he dominated opportunities and volume there, and
that is what I care about a lot more, because,
like we said with Harvey, you can't bank on a
fifty yard run every week. You can't bank on a
seventy yard run. But if your guy's touching the ball

(37:21):
fifteen times one, the likelihood of a big play goes up.
But two, you're going to just accumulate the stats and
volume and and be someone that has a safe floor
and is reliable for fantasy. So I think this was
a good week one for Bill. I do think the
many Bill supporters might push him up a little too high, though.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Yeah, you're a spend some fab you know, if he's
out there, you'll probably spends on.

Speaker 4 (37:46):
My bench sixty sixty dollars out of one hundred in
a in the Flex League last week to get him.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Okay, okay, damn, yesterday's price is not today's price.

Speaker 4 (37:55):
I was like, hey, how often could you find a
guy who might be an RB one on waivers?

Speaker 2 (37:59):
That's true, very very true for sure. The other guy,
Ashton Gentz, we talked about him. Nineteen carries thirty eight yards,
you know, not a whole lot there, but the usage
was good.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
There's there's nobody else getting touches backfield for the Raiders.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Travis Hunter eight targets, six catches, thirty three yards. Yeah,
the team high eight targets, team high eight targets, also
played six snaps on defense. He says he can do more.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
I think the Jaguars wort of want to ease him
into that side of it, because they definitely want to
make him a wide receiver. I see you rubbing your
chin there, would you like would you like to would
you like to present the what are we calling this?

Speaker 2 (38:36):
The team mid board of doom? The middle meter, like
the middle meter. He's gonna go up on that. Down
is up? Good or bad? Up is good? He's gonna
I think the higher he went on it, the more
mid he was. Oh no, he's on his way. He's

(38:57):
trying to work his way. Yeah he was. It was.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
I tweeted out good, it was Jacob Gibbs. He tweeted
out these clips. I repushed him. If you guys want
to listen and want to go see it, he missed
a wide open Travis Hunter and Brian Thomas Junior with
clean pockets.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
And stuff like, yeah, what are we doing? Trevor Lawrence?

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Yeah, I went back and watched that game last night Sunday.
There some bad throws by Lawrence, some you know, some
tough throws into coverage that you know, he just didn't
give his receivers really a real chance on it.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
It was a rough quarterback game all the way around
because Bryce Young was not good on the other side too.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
But yeah, I watched that game and he was like, yeah,
there's no way Trevor getting He's not beating the mid
allegations right.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Exactly, the Panthers.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
And you go out there and do that, and you're
a top five paid quarterback.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
And I know we ain't gonna use that as to
cry tear, but god, he was god awful.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
I mean, look on passes a pen plus yards, thirty
two passer rating, yes, thirty two, forty five percent completion
rate on downfield passes. This is exactly what mac Jones
was able to unlock with Brian Thomas Junior.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Mac Joe what's his government name, Marcus Michael mccorkyle Jones.
That guy, mister.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Jones went out there and put the big numbers for
Brian Thomas Jrs.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Here we are with t Mid.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
He he might have to go to T Low at
this point, because god, he was god awful, Like I
just had to turn it off, Like I was just like, I'm.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
Sorry, I'm with you. You want to know something that
will make you even more mad? LaQuan he was under
pressure at the lowest rate of any.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
Quot No, what's right? I saw that, and I was
just so pissed off, like are you kidding me? Are
you kidding?

Speaker 4 (40:40):
He's he's got two all world wide receivers and he's
airmailing them in clean pockets?

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Slug, You're not even under distress, Like what are you doing?
Would you?

Speaker 4 (40:51):
Would you so here's while we're on Llowance. Would you
start him next week against the Bengals?

Speaker 2 (40:56):
No?

Speaker 1 (40:57):
No, no, because look, if I drafted t Lawrence, I
also drafted another quarter like I drafted Trevor Lawrence just
like hey, man, like I M I need a bye
week guy, Like I'm not so No, you're gonna be
the Bengals though, Like, I don't know if you're ever
gonna know start him?

Speaker 2 (41:12):
MG, you were going to be the guinea pig being
that you have Trevor mid Lawrence and let us know
of your actual experienced him. I say.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
I was saying, if I did have him, it would
have been because I drafted another guy.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
I don't think I drafted him anywhere. I'm pretty sure
I don't think anybody should. But we'll see Brian Thomas.
Seven targets, one catch for eleven yards. He had a rush,
he had a rushing touchdown, so that was good.

Speaker 4 (41:38):
Uh, Hunter scored the only way he's gonna get him
this year.

Speaker 5 (41:44):
Long.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
I was gonna say, like what I was, like, I watched,
like I watched that game, like we know he didn't.

Speaker 4 (41:49):
You probably don't remember this, but the only thing I
associated Hunter along with was we did a skit once
and next to it it just said is he a cyborg?
And that's the only thing I ever associated Hunter long builders.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
I forgot about that. That might still exist somewhere on
the internet. We should try to dig that up again,
see as they do there.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
The other one I wanted to get to real quick
is Tyler Warren.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Somebody asked me, what are the percentage chances that he
could get to ten targets.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
I was like, I don't know, like twenty maybe thirty percent.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
I should have upped it because he got nine targets,
so like nine targets, seven catches seventy six yards. The
thing that I saw with him in the preseason applied
in the regular season. When Tyler Ward is on the field,
they are going to throw him the football. And watching
the Colts that I get it. The Dolphins, they might
be a dumpster fire all year long. Cam Wolfe sort

(42:42):
of warned us about this before the season. The Dolphins
could be bad. But what I saw in Week one, guys,
I think Tyler Warren might be the number one target
on this team. Like, I think he could lead this
team in targets and receptions. As for what I saw
in Week one against the Dolphins.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
I think I think as long as Daniel Jones completes
the ball, and that's all the Colts needed. They just
needed somebody to complete the ball. And I think Tyler Warren,
the way they were utilize him on that offense, he's
going to be a huge problem. But next week will
be the true TESTO. They got Denver, so we'll see
how Daniel Jones holds up. And then Tyler Warren, I
definitely think he's a start. Like I don't think we

(43:21):
need to play the guessing game, you know, and like
I think he is a clear start. He's going to
be a high target share type of tight end where
we're going to be talking about him in the Big
three at the end of the season.

Speaker 4 (43:31):
Yeah, that's how I had a ranked coming in. And
if you were trying to get Tyler Warren for me
this week, it would be mcbrider Bowers because Kittle's hurt. Like,
those are the only players I would accept them.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Facts.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
So but if you could get if you have Bowers
for McBride, you're not trading for Tyler.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Yeah, exactly exactly.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
But again that it goes back to our point all
summer that we're being, you know, being the dead horse
with this is saying like I'm not paying that premium
for trade McBride and brock Bowers when I can wait
on Tyler Warren, like the target share is going to
be there for him.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Yeah, one fun fat Oh go ahead. No, I was
just like, I mean, I like Tyler Warren.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
I didn't think this, Like I didn't think he'd be
getting McBride Bowers level target share He's not not in
week one. I mean I liked him, I drafted him,
but I also drafted him like to pay baby with
somebody else.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
So I am pleasantly surprised.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
That's how I drafted Colston Loveland. But to be continued,
we'll see how that plays.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
We'll see, we'll see it.

Speaker 4 (44:22):
I'm wonder there's two tight ends in NFL history that
have seven catches in Week one as a rookie. It's
Tyler Warren and Harold fannin junior will.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
We will get to Harold fan a little bit later on.
We got the waiver wire. We're gonna dive into that
in just a little bit so, but yeah, Tyler Warren
off to a grade start. The rookies on the whole,
I think acquitted themselves very well, especially the top guys
that we were counting on, I think acquitted themselves very
well in Week one. We'll see what Colston Lovelin has
tonight against the Minnesota Vikings. For sure, take a break,

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come bass on pressures on Colston.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
You have twenty four hours to respond overreaction to theater
and some waiver wire coming up next on the NFL
Fantasy for Ball podcast. Of course, you know, with Week one,
things happened, and a lot of times we tend to
overreact to.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Them one way or another. I mean, if a guy
is good in week one. That means he's going to
be amazing all year long. If a guy is bad
in week one, well then you just threw away a
draft pick. And what were you doing, you fool? Uh.
So we got three things here.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Aaron Rodgers goes up and the revenge tour that begins
apparently in week one, goes up against his old team,
the Jets, throws four touchdown passes, Steelers hang on for
a win. So lakwan, we are all wrong about Aaron Rodgers, right,
and he should have been a QB one. He might
should have been the first QB off the board because
apparently he's great now again.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Voldemort the name we shall not say.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
I don't like talking about Aaron Rodgers because I do
feel like the more we pump them up.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
His power only grows. The more he only grows longer,
because it's like he just feels on. He's such a.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
Troll, like him vertaning back to New Jersey, like he
let the Jets fans no, like y'all should have kept me.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
Man, I'm out here bulling what's up? What's up?

Speaker 3 (46:03):
And I think he's gonna take that and fuel his cockiness,
his arrogance and everything of his persona right now, and
he may go out there and be like this Steelers
QB one in fantasy. Like I do think there is
a reality of that, because he wasn't hyper focusing on
DK Metcalf like he was getting John Neu involved, he
was getting Pat fire Move involved, Calvin Alston had a touchdown,

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like guys on this offense were just coming together contributing
the ball. I figured in the offseason that it would
be a hyper focus on DK Metcalf, and in doing
that and trying to put all that weight on DK,
you're gonna see the end result of why he's not
in Seattle it anymore. So I do feel like this
may be an overreaction in week one, but I wouldn't
be surprised if we're in week two, three and four
and he's still going out there throwing like two to

(46:46):
three touchdowns, he may be put up four.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
I'm not buying it. I'm not either. I think.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
I think this was him against a team that he
had a personal vendetta against, and I.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Do he's gonna filed off of that. He's gonna build
on the It's like it powers him.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
I tweeted in the first half like Rogers has not
looked good because he took some bad sacks.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
He airmailed a couple of throws. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'm gonna make that clear.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
Yeah, he's he's definitely playing his age. Like at the
speed of the game. It's a whale behind him, but
he still has that you know, flick it off and quick.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
He's got one of the best arm talents of all time.
But he uh, he had a like one was along,
Like one of his touchdowns was a long catch and
run one the guy was completely wide open. Like, I
think it was just I think the Jets defense is
at what it once was and and it hasn't been
since they got rid of Robert Salah. But I I
I think it was more that like this. He'll have

(47:39):
a couple of games where he pops, but I I
don't think this is the new norm.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
By the way, we talked about Sean Payton. But Fantasy
public Enemy number one, Arthur Smith was.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
At it again.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Oh yeah, a lot of Kenneth gained well early on
very little Caleb Johnson.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
It's a big scornic, like what are we doing? I
let the Fantasy streets live.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
They did not hear me take this victory because I
do think Caleb Johnson will be fine by the end
of time.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
He'll get in work at the end of time, by
the end of this season.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
Like I just think that folks spending, but you know
what you were signing up for, like folks are so.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
He'll have a good game.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
Like that's what folks need to take this information, So
get in process and understand, like you were working and
operating under a Arthur Smith, the Fantasy Streets Boogeyman system, that's.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Just what it is.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
Are we surprised Johnny Smith had a design, not even
a little bit. He's been telling us of who he's
been this entire time, and we keep buying into it
and making these false narratives.

Speaker 4 (48:54):
Like speaking of John new Smith, I saw the tweet
that if Harold Fannon is a top five tight end
with along is going blonde, and I'm bringing.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
That to this show. We were not bringing that to
the public yet, we saw. I saw the tweet yesterday.
We got that name qued up in waiver wire. We
will get there.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
If Harold finished is the top five tight end, oh
my god, We're going full blonde, and like seriously, like
I will die.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
The hair well, we'll wing going the cisco. We ain't
doing the thong song. No, we ain't going that route.
That blonde blonde, that's what we're.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
Doing, like top top half and did like try to
fade it with the blank I'm not going full blonde.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
My wife will leave me. Not happening, all right?

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Uh, Frank show A J. Brown had one more target
than the three of us combined. Uh did we did
we waste to pick floor on Brown?

Speaker 4 (49:56):
I don't think we wasted a pick, but I definitely
might have over inflate did AJ Brown a bit? I
think the more worrisome part for me was that he
was watching the game. I kept being like, he's not
getting open, like he's not creating a lot of separation.
And I worry if this hamstring that we heard about
in the summer and kept him out of the preseason,

(50:19):
if that was still a thing.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
So I have A J.

Speaker 4 (50:21):
Brown on a lot of teams, and I'm telling you
I'm starting him in week two. I'm not considering sitting him.
But if he comes out there and has like another
like two target game, then then I'm gonna be real
worried because I don't think it is a AJ Brown
suddenly forgot how to play football thing, or that Jalen
Hurts and the Eagles suddenly.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Forgot AJ Brown is good. I just worry if he
is not one hundred percent healthy.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Also, I just wonder if there's some of it though that,
you know, playing a Dallas team that knows them very well, right,
the Cowboys see them twice a year every year. They
sort of know the tendencies and that sort of thing,
and I'm just wondering how much that played into it,
that you know, they just they decide we're gonna take.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
AJ Brown away and we're gonna force you to beat
us in other ways.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
The thing is is that Jalen Hurts even look his
wedding Like, I mean, AJ Brown ran as just as
many routes as Devonte Smith, but he was only targeted
on four four percent of his routes. So it's more
so of like the game plan might have just been
Dallas Goddard, run the ball, win the game, and go home.
Like I think that AJ Brown has a ramp up
period that we do have to just monitor. I'm not
gonna worry next week if he goes out there and

(51:27):
puts up less than ten Fantasy points. Reason why is
because we had the information in the summer that he
was dealing with a hamstring injury. So it just maybe
a slow burn where he might get back to form.
And in terms of like he got injured early in
the season last year and then after that that boy
just went crazy. So I'm not panicking just yet, just yet.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
I mean, he does have the ability to just rip off,
like you know, five twenty point games in a row.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Yeah, a game where he has five catches in one
hundred and fifty.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
Yards, like that's in his utility belt. That's why I'm
not too worried about it, you know.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
All Right, So neither neither the Batman's Skinny or Swoll
had a big game this week.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
I'm looking at they combined.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
It four targets, four catches twenty four yards between the
two of them and Dallas.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
To me, like the Eagles were like I want to
see us win without using our top two waters eaters,
like like they just I always joke with like my
met fan friends like Edwin Diaz will walk the bases
loaded and then get three strikeouts because he's so good
that he just can't as himself.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Just because I feel like the Eagles are kind of
reaching that that territory.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Yeah, that also seems if they if they really did that,
that's just that is just the ultimate shade against the
Cowboys set.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
One for sure. The Bengals gotta win. Yay, good for them.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
They're one to Oh for the first time, I feels
like forever I'm floor of the offense wasn't great, you know,
And I get it.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Miles Garrett just loves playing the Bengals.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
There was a there was a series where he got
two sacks that are on very nearly got three straight
sacks on Joe Burrow.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
God Hanson was losing it. Oh he was. He was.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Just over the moon about the possibility of it. Are
we concerned about the Bengals offense? They gotta win, but
they it wasn't, you know, explosive at all? Are Are
are we out that I did I mess up by
taking Jamar Chase at at one one?

Speaker 2 (53:18):
Should have not done that.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
Look, it was the worst game Jamar Chase has ever played,
full game problem fantasy wise at least, But no like
did they do this year? Look, Look, if you're the Bengals,
you gotta be wondering what has to happen because you're like,
we came out, we played in the preseason, we got ready,
and we still played like this. I I I think though,
it's also a reminder that these teams, just like the Eagles, Cowboys,

(53:41):
they know each other so well, and the strength of
the Browns is their defense. So I'm not look obviously
not panicking or anything like that. It's just frustrating because
I'm gonna lose a couple of games because my Bengals
didn't really do anything that it's it's you're not panicking,
You're there's still mustard at pretty much every position.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
But it's just annoying. You know, Yeah, I get it
out a decent fantasy game, though, you know, the two
yards per cam, Yeah, that's disgusting.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
But the touchdown had a couple of catches just you know,
when Joe Burrow he throws for one hundred and thirteen yards,
there's so many passing yards somebody receiving.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
He completed three passes in the second half, one the
no offense into the T Higgins that was it.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
No entire second half, no fan catching a touchdown. That's
that's not we don't that's annoying to see that. That's
not even cool. We don't like the seki. We don't
see that. Nobody needs that right now, nobody needs that
as good out of here.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Of course, it is Monday, which means time to start
looking at waiver wire options.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Is gonna get ahead of it a little bit.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
Some of the quarterbacks, Michael PENNOCKX Junior, who looked very
very great, uh, was like plastic man is he stretched
for the end zone on a touchdown. Unfortunately, Young Waykup
could not make a game winning field goal and so
all for not at least for the Falcons.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Daniel Jones, I would caution you don't don't get too
in love with Daniel Jones because he had one good game.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
We've seen this before. We've also seen the rest of it.
So approached that was for Lakwan. Approached that with caution.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Oh, Jackson Dart, which is the name that was popping
up a lot on Sunday because Russell Wilson was not
having a good day. I got a text from a
Giants fan friend who was like, yeah, he's like it
might be a month before we see my Yeah, because
he was of the opren that it might be like
closer to Thanksgiving he'say, it might be a month now
before we see Giants.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Be a week I'm about to say next week.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Weird even sooner before we You see, the Giants have
not scored a touchdown in their season opener.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
In three straight years. Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
The last time that happened was the Detroit Lions from
nineteen forty to nineteen forty two.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
I think when they had that awful stretch recently from
the forties.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Oh my, last time a team went, last time a
team went three straight week one without a touchdown.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
So it was a little war going on around that time. Yeah,
there are things happening in the world. Segregation wasn't even
a thing.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
Jesus Christ. What I don't even know where to start
with that. So we're gonna move on to running backs.
What that's gonna break my brain all day long?

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Like what, no, huh one it was? But okay, we're
moving on. We're moving on. We're moving on running backs.
Quinn Shawn Judkins, Dylan Sampson, Quitch Sampson. We talked.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
We talked about Judgins and Sampson earlier in the show.
Zach Charboney, who got a lot of new for the No.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
One said to start him this week. But you Marcus
back sharboney man sipping charbonet. It's my name, my one
of my fantasy teams.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Oh, he didn't go. He went to the other school
that not this school. You see. Yeah, he went. What
is their thing?

Speaker 1 (57:01):
They do an eight clap because they apparently have to
count to eight so they can figure out how to
clap on beat or something.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
I don't know. Wow, Yeah he went. He went to
U se Los Angeles, which I you see LA you
see Los Angeles?

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Because then because then that's sort of no because you
say you see Los Angeles.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
They like UCLA.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
If you say you see Los Angeles, then it's like
saying you see Riverside or you see San Diego. Like
they feel like UCLA is something set apart. So you
call him you see Los Angeles. It tweaks him a
little bit, at least that's how it works in my head.
Can have Gainwell, we saw him get a lot of opportunity.
DJ Giddons, Who did. They gave him like a whole
drive late in that game against the Dolphins, So I

(57:42):
think it's trying to see in what they have. They're
also giving Jonathan Taylor arrest, so I think they do
want to use him at some point, at least to
give Taylor a breather every once in a while.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Trey Benson, who did get some work. The Saints are
a little feistier.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
In Week one, and I think a lot of us anticipated.
We'll see if that continues. Over wide receiver Keenan, who
did see some targets. Lad McConkie's still the alpha there, LQ.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
I'm just I know he's not. I hate to break
it to you, lads. Yeah, yeah, ken had like a
thirty uh targets for a route run. Like that's elite
usage there, so it should. Okay, it is, but Ladd's
still the alpha.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
Kennon played sixty percent of the snaps and he got
all the targets when he was on the field.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Like Ladd's still the alpha. Ladd's Ladd is a contributor
to the alpha. He is the wide receiver to Okay,
either way, Keenan Allen should be picked up off waivers
though that's that part. Absolutely. Marquis Brown, Quintin Johnston, who
maybe we gave up on him too quickly. Could be
that he's a thing. Justin Herbert was looking his way
quite a bit on Friday Night. Do it again, all right?

Speaker 4 (58:44):
I mean, look I get that, but like you could
pick him up Johnson to do it again. Lad mccaukey's
got to do it again. But Keenan Allen do.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
It again, Like no, because he's been him in the
charges uniform. He's been him, all right.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
Uh, Kayshawn Boody, who had a pretty good day, Cedric Tillman,
Isaac Tueser, Uh, Josh Palmer also.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
Made some contributions. Yeah, you were, you were big on
Palmer this offseason.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
So yeah, I mean, I I think he's clearly third,
but uh, look they're they're gonna be throwing the ball
out in Buffalo this year.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
It was a good seakey on Coleman Pop in Week
one too. He had a he had a nice week
for sure.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
On to the tight ends, Juwan Johnson, Hunter, Henry zach Ertz,
and the aforementioned Harold Fannon Jr. I thought I thought
a Browns tight end was going to have a good day.
I had the wrong Browns tight end.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
I thought it was. I thought it was David and.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Joku that was going to have the day for the
Cleveland Browns. Instead, it was Fanning. I know they were
excited about him. I didn't think nine targets, seven catches,
sixty three yards was.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Going to be in the offing for Harold Fannin junior.
So all right, so is this on the table? Is
this for real? The the finishes? Is the top five?
You're going blonde? Are we? Are we really doing this?

Speaker 5 (59:59):
Are?

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Yeah? Let's lock it in. Let's lock it in. I
can't wait till she door to fan In in the
second half of the season. He's currently tight end six
as of this moment.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Who saw this behind Sam?

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
I I don't get it, Like David Njoku is still
a good tight end, like a well established tight end.

Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
And then this was just like no hyper focus on
the backup. Let's go trade trading Joku and let Fannin
run wild.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Cat. This guy was being putting screens, bubble screens, like
they were doing literally everything with him.

Speaker 5 (01:00:39):
The thing that we said a lot on the show
during draft time was like he's a tight end in position,
but he moves like a wide receiver and that John
Browns are using him in that way.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
Man, one week, he could disappear a hashtag like standing
for Fanning or something.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
Like that standing just just so we can see Lakwan
with blonde hair at the end of the season.

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
Like this will be legit, this will be his time.
That makes Top five a little easier. And there's one
less there's one less guy competing. All right, Chill out, guys,
you know Travis, If Travis Kelcey is our.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Universes listening, now, chill out, We'll see you know when
Jake Tongs is all of a sudden taking a lot
of targets in San Francisco.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Stop pushing, George, pushing to the side. Let this be
you'll last win. I feel like this would be your
last win in the entire season, because one in sixteen.
Let's go. What's what's funny is that, like.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
You spent a lot of time talking about the forty
nine ers, like bro because y'all keep staying in my
d ms in checks, because you keep throwing rocks at people,
Like I think about the Rams, well, I mean, because
of this job, I think about them a lot, but
as a fan, I think about the Rams twice a year.
You think about the forty nine ers like do we
so do we get all three bedrooms wrint free? Or

(01:02:03):
can can we use the fridge too. That's as many
wins as you'll have this show. Do we get do
we get to do we get to use the can
we put our food in the fridge for rent free?

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Or do we gotta give you that first week of October?
We have to have a big bet because the niners
just live rent free in your head. It is amazing. Bro,
I get attacked online for no reason. I'm just defending you,
I believe. Start a random question and you'll be like, yeah, well,
the forty whiners like just like listening. It's a good thing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
You are literally like you like you throw an argument
grenade and you're like, why are you yelling at me?

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
Like, because you did it, That's why. That's why it happens.
We've gone on long enough. That's enough. That'll do it
for this to decade the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. I
to appreciate your hanging out with that nonsense. They happy,
saven healthy, you could and live well during my football everybody,
let's talk to you again on

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
I don't know b