On the latest Off the Edge with Cam Jordan podcast, Cam is joined by 2-time Super Bowl champ and NFL ambassador to Africa Osi Umenyiora. Osi has worked tirelessly to build the NFL game all across the continent of Africa, and he shares the success stories of players who have made the transition. He and Cam also discuss their roles in the heated New Orleans Saints vs. Atlanta Falcons rivalry. Osi reveals details of a conversation he had with Philadelphia Eagles running back Saquon Barkley to try and keep the MVP candidate in New York. He also shares his journey from Nigeria to Alabama that rivals the movie Coming to America. Osi also explains why his six sack game vs. the Eagles is not the best game of his career.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hey, welcome to Off Edge the Pod with your host
me Cam Jordan. I'm I'm super excited because not only
do I gotta get to talk to Og of the game,
legend of the game, if you will, you know, a
Giants legend for sure, one of the great d d ns,
one of the one of the real, one of the
first real hybrids, for real, for real that just plug
and play wherever you could go, pro bowler, all pro.
(00:26):
More importantly, a super Bowl champion, not one time, but
two times. My dog Og legend oco me Europe.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Well, that's a great intro, man, god Lee, I mean,
I wish everybody introduced me like that.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
That's incredible, cap. I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
I'm not trying to.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I'm not trying to just you know, just give us
flower I'm trying to give flowers to my dog.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
You know.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yes, I'm blessed, you know, I'm blessed to be gainfully employed,
and I'm pissed off that we somehow we tricked off
a game against the Rams last week.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
But I'm also motivated, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, I hear you this year fifteen for you year
fourteen fourteen, that's crazy, man. I remember us being in Africa. Well,
first of all, we'll probably get to that. But I
have never in my life laughed as hard as that
day when we're in that restaurant and you told me
that story that that was that was the funniest thing
(01:21):
I've ever heard in my life.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
But yeah, well we will definitely, we will definitely get
to it. You know, like, oh yeah, if you can't live,
you can't love, Like what's the point of living.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Yeah, yeah, I love.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I love every minute of this life. I may I
tell people, like, the worst time my life may be
you know, a game on.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
A Sunday where you don't you don't come out with
the win.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
But if that's the worst part of life, yeah, life
is all My people are healthy, you know, Mom's healthy, pops,
healthy kids, healthy wife healthy. At the end of the day,
I don't have to, like really truly worry about anything
that's not out of my plate. Like everything seems to
be in control right now.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
So let's let's I'm going to stop you there, because
that's not the worst. The worst isn't losing. The worst
is losing, and you don't get a sack.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
That's the defense losing. You don't get a sack.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
That's like your you don't you don't know what to
do for yourself for the rest of the week.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
But see, that's that's how you focus even on a
wind though if the team wins, you don't get a sack.
I used to be hung like I didn't like, I
didn't eat, Like we won, but I didn't eat.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Yeah, So like everybody's yeah, and I'm like, I'm like.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I stopped the run, but like I also didn't eat
like I thought I was going to. Like, but my
happiness completely shifted a long time ago because you know,
my rookie year, I had.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
One one yeah, yeah, right, I was.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Told I wasn't gonna play a run or I wasn't
gonna play the past, you know, so like rookies had
to earn it.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
And then ever since then, rookies have been on third down.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
So like, you know, like the the ideology, I was
just like born into that old old age of bs,
you know, of the hey, you got to hurt each
and every up, but all a sudden we drop somebody
and they're just thrown in there. Or like you get
a free agent free agent and you just like throw
on the edge like yeah, yeah, he's gonna work. He
doesn't even know our culture, he doesn't know our way,
(03:14):
you know. But again that's it's different. So now I
love I love just winning. I love the idea. In fact,
now I'm a year fourteen, and you know, even I've
even learned again, if the worst sixty minutes I have
is them telling me that they don't need me and
we're gonna, you know, shift the page and sort of
head towards our younger guys, I'm damn near coaching, and
I'm sick that I can't be on the field because
(03:36):
I'm like, as much as I want to play, as
much as I want to work, as much as I
as I know I can be successful at the defensive
n spot, I'm like, yo, I just want to win.
It's one of these wins are more important than the next.
Because I was like, we can create some sort of
a push for playoffs. Let's want a damn super Bowl
because you know, you see how I threw that two
time super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Oh you're out there, guess what I don't have next
to my name? It could be all accurate.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Twenty tens, NFL Decade, All Pro Pro Bowl, YadA, YadA, YadA, YadA, YadA, YadA.
But for some reason, super Bowl champion. There's twenty seven
years of Jordan men in the NFL, and guess what
we don't have.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
We got a lot of accolades. We don't have the accolades.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I believe that probably at this stage in your life,
in your career, and nothing could probably mean more than
that because you've done everything else.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Let me just I've been to NFC championship game. I
ain't been beyond it.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's probably it for you. Man.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Man, I need like I need to know what that
feels like. And and I and I put it up
in the category of like, like, will I consider my
career of failure if I don't win a Bowl? Absolutely not.
I've outshot my coverage. It's like walking around with the
wife when you know you got a ten on your shoulder,
Like it just feel you know what I'm saying, Like
it's not as bad.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
You know, Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
There's there's no circumstances which you can call your career
like a failure even if you don't win, because that's
people who want super Bowls who ain't really gotten nothing.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Earned any of it.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Exactly what was just not even what excuse a jag like,
wasn't even just a guy?
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Was just a guy they hired a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
You know, like if you were if you were one
of the guys, and then you have to go like
ring like Super.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Bowl, ring hunting.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Good for you, but also does it hit the same
if all you did was young team, the team, the team,
the team, and finally found.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
One, It's not the same.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
The whole time team straight up, straight up legendary.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
That's what I'm like.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
I said, I've got so much loyalty towards the franchise.
It doesn't matter if the franchise kicked me out tomorrow,
I'd still have love for the franchise.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Like would you play somewhere else?
Speaker 1 (05:42):
I've thought about it like four or five times over
the years.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
I was like, oh, I can touch for agency. I've
never won. I've never touched for agency.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I've never had a year where I didn't have guaranteed
money in it. I've never played without guaranteed money. That's
enough loyalty for me. Like my family good, my life good,
my kids kids will be mm hmm. I'm out in
the community daily, like you're out of the community and
in Africa trying to create the I p P. Which yea,
let's let's get into it because I'm getting I'm getting
more on me and less on you, and you're you're
(06:10):
the legend that we're bringing in. You know, like, uh,
we hung out in Africa. You know, uh that this
pass off season two years ago, this passive season. Yeah,
that's offseason. That's how you know time. Time is just
a flat line. For me, It's not a circle, it's
straight linear. I'm just like, yeah, happened yesterday a week ago. Okay,
(06:32):
my bad. But you know, we we shot that Born
a Place Who Bo commercial out in Akra, Ghana, which
I've already called Acra until I got there and it
then became a craw which which just tells you Americans
have been wrong about everything for so long. But what
was your favorite movement A moment about shooting the Born
to Play campaign?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
I think overall it was just you know, seeing you
guys there, you know, like seeing you Saquan Jefferson, Like
understanding what the idea behind the NFL Africa was and
that connection that was trying to be forged, and then
just seeing it come to reality like that like, never,
(07:14):
in my mind whatever, imagine that the biggest names in
the NFL would have been shooting a commercial in the
middle of a markets in Ghana, You understand what I mean.
Like the absurdity of that, you know, never would have
crossed my mind where we began the whole program. So
just seeing you guys there, seeing you guys connect with
(07:35):
your heritage where you're really from, understanding what was really
going on, seeing the way people were looking at you,
to me, that was the most special thing.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Man.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
It's something that I always wanted. I didn't know how
I was gonna make that happen.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
You know.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
We started with just the African players, and then you know,
we started to see more and more American people were like, hey, listen,
I want to I want to be a part of this.
I want to understand what's going on. And you know,
seeing more people grab take towards that, which was the
original idea, was just mind blowing for me.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
And that was the part, the best part.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
For me absolutely.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
I mean, you know, I got to I got to gone,
and I was like, yeah, I see you all at
this hotel, but I'm in the streets, like I was walking,
I was walking in the marketplaces and walking like I
was going places doing you know.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
You're a boy cam like, bro, yeah, cam is in
the streets.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
I'm like, bro, you're in.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
The I'm in there and I'm in this.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
You hit me. Was like, was like, hey man, this
is not like it's not like you can't just walk
away and walk around here. I was like, man, look,
I was like, to be clear, I feel so.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
At home here.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
I look across the way and brother brother called me
light skin, you know what I'm saying. Like, I'm like,
I'm walking, I'm vibing. The old ladies is all hitting
on me. You know, they hit me with that big
back activities. I'm like a Mary Sweetheart, no home, but
you know, like just just enjoying the culture.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Just I love anytimes like I've hit Africa, I just
feel like I'm good there, you know what I'm saying, Like,
and I've probably got a false sense reality because I'm
just walking around like, yeah, these are my people, you know,
whether it's been Egypt, whether it's been Ghana, Liberia. You know,
the more Africa that I see, it's just like the
more I feel like, you know, when you walk around
and you know, all the owners, all the whatever is
(09:19):
history that you may have a part of, like you know,
you do the twenty three and me and I'm like,
oh you got Nigerian and and I recoach YadA YadA,
and I'm like, hell yeah, you know mother Lancetrong.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Because you know that's like to be To be completely honest,
the understated part of NFL Africa was that is that
there's a connection that has been broken so many years ago,
you know, and I feel like there's a misunderstanding between
those two people and just now you're starting to see
(09:50):
that connection be re established and come back together. And
I have to be I love to see it, man.
Like to me, I was just in awe, Like when
I would watch you and I was just looking in
my head. I was like, man, this is this is
so cool. Look at what sports What sports can do,
you know what I mean? Like, look at what sports
can can do bring people back together like this man,
and having you in that environment and having all you
(10:13):
guys in that environment, man, the most special part of
everything for.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Me, Man, legendary vibes. And then you look, you took
me to you took me to a food spot. You're like,
you know, you know, you got me off the streets
for real. I was just rocking roaming. I went to
the beach, I went to like some other stuff. They're like, hey,
it's not so safe for there. I was like, well,
I don't know where I'm I was like, I've been.
I've been as far as the fruvelas in Brazil and
theods from California to New York. I don't really care
(10:36):
if they've got great food. I'm going big back activities
all time. But you took me to this whole and
wall spot. You're like, no, this is like You're like, yokam,
this is a place. Now, it's not gonna have the
highest You like, there might be a hole. Bro. We
got in there and there's literally holes at the ceiling.
They have plastic containers catching the free fall dripping whatever,
(10:56):
the water dripping down. But that food was fire Oh good?
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Or is it? How good was that food?
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Bro?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
And you're like you're like, no, Bro, this sauce is
not like America sauce is just like, this sauce is hot.
I was like, man, please, I'm in merry and hey,
I'm eating the green sauce over all a big job
of guy.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeaes sir absolutely, man that it's important that when you
go to Africa, you just don't go to like the
tourist spots, like you go see like really what Africa
is about, right and taking you to that type of
restaurant where it's not a glitzy, glamorous type of spot.
It's yeah, a hole in the wall, but you've got
to really experience what Africa was like. And you saw it.
(11:35):
The food was incredible, you experienced it. We got out
of there, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
He great times.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I was like, I gotta go back to We're not
gonna talk about you know, we're gonna we're gonna find
out from the top to the bottom. I didn't even
know what the culture is about, all right, but anyways,
let's uh, let's talk about me. You know you're Nigerian, Nigerian,
you know, born in London, still got a British accent
at times. Yeah, move to Alabama, which I didn't catch
(12:04):
that southern draw from you. But you know was how
was the multicultural upbringing that you have helped you shape?
Like how you wanted to expand the football, the game
of football, so.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
You see, my whole life experience actually taught me so
many different things, especially about the game. I think being
born in London where nobody knew anything about football when
I was back then in eighty one, then moved to Nigeria,
nobody knew anything about football, and getting to Alabama, which
was crazy. Imagine going from Nigeria, you know, to Alabama,
(12:37):
the Deep South.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
That was bizarre.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
But then I started to play the game, and what
I realized was in Nigeria, I wasn't one of the
top athletes there. Like I just wasn't. There's so many
people who had much more athleticism. There were better athletes
than me. But as soon as I got to America,
for whatever reason, I became a pretty good athlete, and
I said, well, this game right here gave me the
(13:01):
opportunity to get an education, you know. Then from there
go into the NFL and make all this money, and
everybody's trying to do all these different charities, and they're
trying to do all these different things. In Africa, it's like, well,
we have this amazing resource, these incredible athletes, and nobody's
given them an opportunity.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
So rather than.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Doing charity the way people usually do. Why don't we
do it a different way. Why don't we use this game,
which is American football to give the people, those incredible
athletes opportunities that are you know, ordinarily they wouldn't have.
And that was the whole idea behind the NFL Africa program.
We have I think it's like six players now in
the NFL. We have a couple in college, some of
(13:40):
the NFL Academy here in the UK. So it's just
really a program of utilizing what they have there to
give them opportunities. You know, it's not just oh, we're
going to do charity, we're going to do this, we're
going to build Well, no, these guys have incredible athletic ability.
These guys have the ability to do things that can
actually help to teams. They can help colleges, they can
(14:01):
help you know, the NFL academy. Okay, cool, Well they're
going to get education, they're gonna.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Make some money. People who are on the streets that.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Are currently in the NFL, they're sitting in the same
mean room as you imagine like somebody being like you
know the places that we saw them in Ghana just
out there and then like a month later you know,
they're in the NFL and in training camp, they're training,
they're getting prepared for football, like you know, the mind
mess that that does, and and just seeing things like
(14:29):
that happen, there's really nothing quite like it.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Hell, bro, my stunt double was bigger than me. You like,
you was super swollen, and I was like, what do
any stuff double before? But I was like, yo, also
come play nose tackle for me, you know, like yeah, yeah, yeah,
just put this double team. You were built for this
and you didn't even know it like this. That's one
of the crazyest scenes is like watching kids, you know,
(14:55):
go go beachside and uh in Ghana watching them play soccer,
you know, for for football, and like and how athletic
they are and just like it looks like they're running
on top of the sand, you know, like little speakers.
And I was I was jogging on the beach getting
my little cardio in. These kids are rolling. I was like, bro,
they're athletes everywhere, but they're better focuses, you know, on
(15:16):
a on a primarily non contact sport.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Where come plain wide receiver, big dog.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
I was like, I see you, I see you rolling,
you know, like you could you could probably hold your
own in a little seven, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
But yeah, that's that's that's something that's really what that
was about. That's what we've been doing, and you know,
thank me, the NFL got behind it. It's it's it's
been incredible.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
You know.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I wish you know, I know you traveled to Africa a lot.
I hope like along these next trips when we do
another one of these camps where we're going to go
get these athletes camp, I want you to just come
and I want you to see where these guys are training.
You see them practicing, You like, okay, cool, other guy.
I don't know about this guy. You know, he's got
the size, he looks athletic. And then you know a
(16:01):
month later he's in your camp. He's literally your train
in your meal room, going through the same things you're
going through, and you're like, how is this even possible? Man?
And a lot of the guys who've been through to
the camps, they've actually seen that. Some of them are
on teams now in Cleveland with guys who recruited them.
You know, we got guys who are you know, in
different football teams, and the NFL players were there when
(16:24):
they saw them first. And then a year later they're
sitting next to them in their stadium or in their
practice facility getting ready for games.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
It's it's crazy, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
I mean just the assurd.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
In fact, tell Hard Knocks to call us bro like
they got hard Knocks and they look at they looking
at the one specific team. But part of we could
extend the hard Knocks out to like the international level
of like, hey, this guy's been killing it, working it.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Guess what, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
He's going to get this invite to this team, just
trying to camp, just see if it shakes.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Yeah, imagine that story.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
The match is just just the story alone.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
So you're talking about the but that's all for part
of the I p P program right.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Pathway.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
You know, Yeah, I when I was uh you know,
years ago, not years ag because he's still in the league.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
But David On Yamata came from Nigeria. In Nigeria, you know, just.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Monster d tackle for the Saints and then once he
went to the trash Birds, I mean dirty bird Falcons.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
You know it's different, but.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Monster, monster of a human being, great guy, great player,
and just you hear his story, he's like, yeah, you
used to have to go to the bush and come
from America. I was like, what is this bush? Yeah,
so actual bush? Are you going to a brush? Are
you going to? Yeah, like literal jungle. And it was like, yeah,
we have bush me what is bush meet?
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Like?
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Whatever you catch in the.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Bush, whatever, You're going to this jungle? He goat deer, monkey, whatever, armadillo?
What what rabbit? Whatever?
Speaker 4 (17:53):
This bush meet? Can tall?
Speaker 1 (17:54):
You like, you're just You're just throw it in the
stew and you're going get some food food you calling
it today?
Speaker 3 (17:59):
This man, it's a different life.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
It's different life, completely different life. You hear that.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
It's like you just I'm just like, I'm glad I
never had to go get my own food. You know,
what would you consider the biggest culture shock going from
like a even London, you know, Nigeria, but you take
(18:25):
your you take your behind on to Alabama, Bama, roll
tie Rollbama.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Really you were you were more like war Eagle Obama.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
But oh yeah, but there's a lot, there's a lot
to impact there. There's a lot to impact there because
you know, when I was in Nigeria, people would bring
back like tapes from America and so they would bring
back like it would be The Cosby Show, it'd be
The Fresh Prince of bel Air, it'd be Beverly Hills
(18:56):
nine o two on Oh, it'd be Baywatch.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
So my idea of America was that you understand what.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
That's what I.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Thought America was. And so I remember if I got
on the plane, my dad told me. He was like, hey, listen,
you're going to a very dangerous part of America. And
in mind, I couldn't. I was like, what is he
What do you mean by you're going to America doesn't
have dangerous places, it's you know, it's Bentley Hill's Nihill
to one. Oh. And what he didn't tell me was
(19:30):
I was going to live in Section eight housing in
the projects in Alabama.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Right. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
So we go from Nigeria, where we're thinking America is
one way, and I get to not only America, but
I get to the south of America and I get
to Alabama Section eight, you know, right in the middle
of Oak Rage housing projects, and my mind was completely blown.
I never I couldn't even imagine what it was that
(20:00):
I was seeing. I didn't understand the way they were talking,
I didn't understand the way they dressed, and I just
I didn't know, you know, America was like that.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
You know, so, oh see the son of a king
in Nigeria, the prince prince oci Section eight housing, real
coming to America type stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Like but that's really, that's really you know a lot
of people don't really know this, but that's really what happened. Like,
it's really what happened. Like my father like he would
you know, he was he was the king of our village.
And so that was I would say coming to America
was an exaggerated version of our lives, but it was
it was similar, you understand, And so you leave that
(20:39):
and you you come to Section eight housing, and in
all being Alabama, it was it was bizarre.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
And so we had to navigate our way through that.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Everybody know you and care about you and like what
you know, village protectors to hey, man, don't give a
damn about you.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Let b find the first guy met.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
I'll never forget this.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
And I got to school and I told him I
was from Nigeria and he was like, oh, how did
you get here? I was like, well, we flew. He
was like you flew?
Speaker 3 (21:14):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
They ain't got planes over there? You came over here
on a whale, and I thought it was joking.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
He was joking.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
He couldn't understand that, you know, we could actually fly
to America because in Africa we didn't have any.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Of these things. So it was third that was crazy, bro, crazy.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
But also Alabama, you know, like, come on, education South,
it's it's a thing.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
It's different there. But then also some of the nicest people,
you know, that's Southern charm, Southern aspects.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
That's a real that's a real thing too.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
So they have some of the nicest, you know, most generous,
you know people, and and you know, once I outed
to play football, I started to you know, make friends
and all that good stuff, and then everything just starts
to roll from there. And you know, some of my
best friends are you know, they're from there. But it's
initially that shock was.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Crazy.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Come from come from the West coast, the southern the
Southern shock is real. You're like, oh, oh.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Like is this the nineties?
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Like why why do you feel like everything's a little
bit outdated?
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Know what do you mean?
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Yeah, Okay, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
I mean the transition alone from New Orleans from twenty
eleven to twenty twenty something has been outstanding, Like I
can only imagine.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
What it was like in Bama.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
God Damgnya Bama.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, but you like it, love it, love.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Or do nobody come down? And I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
I mean because you used to come with the Giants.
So anybody, anybody that was part of the Ops is
the Ops. You know, like you you live here, they
love you, you play for here, like they're they're willing
to go out their way for you.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
And you know, it's it's unlike.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
New York, Like New York's always feels double edged, like
even when they like you, you feel like they're ready
to stab you in the back. Like here, guys, he's
Coasters man. You never you never really know where you
stand with him. You're like, you know you might die,
but you're also not their guy. You know.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
You know what I didn't know because you know, I
played I played my final two seasons in Atlanta with
the Falcons.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
I don't think a lot of people understand that Falcons
and they don't. They don't understand what's going on there, man, Like,
can you explain?
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Can you do your best to explain to me what
what is that?
Speaker 4 (23:40):
I don't know?
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Our city is better than ours, Like it's a it's
a it's a city vers city honestly situation, you know,
which is crazy because uh, in the NFL, like the
Giants have people that they dislike, but the whole conference,
Like Giants don't like Philly, but Philly doesn't like you know, cowboys.
(24:01):
Cowboys don't like and y'all sort of don't sort of
okay with the Washington Commanders but don't like them, you know,
but like for for for our conference, like you know,
so the same thing with the AFC North, Like they're like, oh,
we don't like the Steelers, don't like the Bengals, and
the Bengals don't like the Ravens. Like everybody has this
(24:22):
interchangeable hate. You know, it's very directed. Atlanta doesn't like
New Orleans, and you know what, the energy is returned.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
New Orleans doesn't like Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
The Saints don't I hate, you know, I hate Falcons players,
you know, teammates that go over there.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
I just feel like they're traitorous. Coaches go over there.
I'm like, how did you choose lesser?
Speaker 5 (24:43):
You know?
Speaker 1 (24:44):
It's I mean, like even though yeah, there's so many
similarities and yet there isn't you know, a Falcon can
never be a saint, you know, m.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
That's that's that is a real Yeah. I didn't. I
didn't understand it.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
When I got there, I was like, why are they
so why are they so angry?
Speaker 1 (25:04):
So this is this is different because you feel you
feel the evil energy where you're walking there.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Lock the gates behind them. When we get done beating
your behind, then you can leave.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
There's been there's been years where we've flown in Atlanta
and they egged the buses like that's where like I love.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
It, I love it. I love to hate them.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
You know I was saying talking about football just in general,
like you know, how was I was leaving from one
team to another because I've never done it. You go
to from like when Super Bowls and Giants going to
trash Atlanta. Uh yeah, Okay, the city is nice. I
(25:47):
do enjoy Atlanta, but the Falcons they're not even in
They're not even in Atlanta anymore. They're like they took
they took right. There was the New Orleans super Dome,
which was was at the time when the Mercedes been
super Dome and can Atlanta couldn't you know, they couldn't
emulate what a Super Bowl ring looked like so many
they became. They became the Mercedes Ben sup Super domb.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
You got so many different variations of insults. You got
just yeah, a plethora.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Absolutely, I've been here for fourteen years. The bag is
not getting lighter, you know.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Man, I hear you so I al would say this.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
It's I because I lived in Atlanta my whole career,
even when I was playing with New York, Like, Atlanta
is my off season home. My parents lived there before.
When I was in school, they were living in Atlanta,
so Atlanta was where so it was almost like coming
home right in that sense. But oddly enough, you know,
I didn't know that I wasn't a great player until
(26:50):
I got to Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
That's that's when I knew that I wasn't a great player.
No no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Cap The entire time I was in New York, I
thought I was the best defensive end in football.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
I thought that I did. In my head. I was like,
I'm the best defensive end in football. As you have
to think, right, and.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
You know, because you're having a lot of success, but
you don't really account for the other dogs who I
had with me.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
You understand, who made my job so much easier, just to.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Straight hand JP Interior, Robbins Cofield like lin Val, like
killers and so you know, you're doing all this stuff
in New York and then I was, yeah, I'm there.
Then I get to Atlanta and them dudes ain't there,
and that level of success could have replicated.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
I was like, oh, okay, I'm good. I was a
good player. The great players. The great players could replicate
success anyway anywhere.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
That's just a fact.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
And leaving New York, to me, it was something that
had to be done.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
You know.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I enjoyed my years in Atlanta. I did the great people,
great great organization. But that's when I found out that
I wasn't the greatest defensive end in football. I found
it out there.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
That's what you can I mean, speaking of guys moving
in there, what do you think about like, you know,
like there's some giant Philadelphia hate. What do you think
about Saint Quan going from the Giants to Philly?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, of course you know where
we were in in Ghana. I spoke to Saquan and
I pulled him aside. I spoke to him and his
father and I was like listen, there's only two players
who I've told not to leave New York. I told Odell, yeah,
(28:48):
don't leave New York. And then you know, when I
ran into him, he was like, well he didn't want
to leave. They kind of forced him out. So he
didn't really want to leave New York, but he forced
him out.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
So Bowl champion Odell Beckham, Yeah, yeah, exactly, you kicked
me out.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Exactly right now.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
I still think his career, even though he want to ring,
I think Odell in New York was that's a that's
different gravy bro. That's just that was. That was a movement. Yeah,
you understand what I mean. He was a different level
of star in New York than than we've seen.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Right, baby Baby Deity for sure.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Oh that was that was that was an incredible time
for him. And so that that I think I was
kind of correcting him not wanting to leave New York.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Now. I spoke to Sau. I was like, listen, don't
don't do this, you know, new York, because I you.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Know, I had left New York and you know it
didn't work out. And at that point in time, I
hadn't really seen people who left New York that went
on to have real success. So I was like, yeah,
don't do that, And I got to tell you all
was wrong. Yeah, he didn't take my advice, Cam and he's.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
A to be the MVP. Man.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
There we go. That's all it's gonna say.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Say ridiculous, ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
It ain't been.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
It ain't been a running back as MVP in years,
a decade, decades. I don't know what that is, but
it feels like it's very quarterback or or wide receiver
at bast and yet here we are.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Like this, like did you see the backwards hurt? Like
what what was that?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I mean they added in in Madden bro like the
backward hurdle, and you you get excited when you know
it said top ten highlight when somebody hurdles over somebody,
he goes, he goes backwards, and then get yeah, yeah
he's going absolutely federal.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
You know Eagles. Then go ahead, and you know.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Just thinking about the Eagles, Now Sae Kwon goes over.
Now you know he's he's probably a MVP favorite. They
beat they beat the Ravens, Does that prove that they're
contender worthy?
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Now? Definitely, would you say there a favorite? I would
say that in the in the NFC.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Okay, best team in the NFC.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Detroit Detroit is Detroit is a superb team also, but
I believe Philly can beat Detroit. So in the NFC,
you have to you have to put them when you
look at the way that roster's constructed, that offensive line
dominance right, their running game, their defense is playing well,
they have received they can beat you in every way,
so that there's really no way that you can look
at Philly and be like, Okay, you know this is
(31:23):
a team unless the quarterback struggles and they're lightning the
load off of him with that running game, So it's
got They're gonna be a tough out in the NFC.
I would say that probably, you know, if not number one,
that one beat definitely.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
M m.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
All right, let's let's take this back out of your career.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Is there a single game that you can, like, you
can highlight that you black man, that was my best game.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Ever, best game ever, So I had We're playing against Philly.
I had six acts in the game in Philly.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Before I got to the league. I remember that though
I was in college. Yeah yeah, oh seven yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Six sacks in the game. But that that wasn't I
don't think that was my best game.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Six sacks was in your best game? You know?
Speaker 1 (32:08):
You pass rushers only quantify sacks, like, yeah, yo, y'all
do't y'all would be like, oh, I had fourteen tackles,
like there was a there was a game I had fourteen.
I was like, really him, like you only had you
only had a half sack. I have fourteen tackles. I
was everywhere anyways, but six six sacs? Why why is
that not your Why is that not your best game?
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Because and I got to the quarterback a total of
eight times.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Cy clip, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Eight times six sacks.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
I love the outcomes, right, So, but that's that's what
you call like an anomaly that that doesn't happen a
lot of times. You get to the quarterback eight nine times,
you might walk away with one and a.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Half two, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yeah, so every time I got back there was a sack. Now,
we played against Carolina it was in two thousand and six,
actually six and I hit the quarterback thirteen times. Not
precious thirteen quarterback hits, zero sacks, right, But to me,
that was that was that was my best game as
(33:12):
a as a pass rusher. I'd never I'd never passed
rushed like that before. That was my best game as
a pass rusher. Thirteen quarterback hits thirteen is crazy thirteen
back there.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
I might I might have been more sick leaving that
game than I would. Oh yeah, Like I got six
sacks off eight hits thirteen and you leave with nothing nothing,
zero zero, Like I tell you when I tell you,
I'd leave the game so frustrated, like, oh, you had
a great game, don't talk to me right now.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Like I got to figure out how to get one
step faster.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
I'm on I'm on sledge training for the next five
days because I'm really getting there.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Or not getting there trying to get that would that
would have hurt my feelings like more, it's it's the
it's the success that you.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Don't have that I feel like bothers me anyways more
than ever, Like you could come up with you know,
I played Philly and had you know, three sacks against
Mike Vick. When I was young, girl, I was like,
this is my first three set game. I was like, amazing,
you're trying to film, but you fell off too, like
now it's like it.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
Really could have been a five sack game.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
I would I had a good game, but it could
have been legendary, you know, like.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Yeah, yeah, but for you to what you hit a.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Quarterback a dozen plus times and come up with nothing.
I probably zero me and you would have the same
amount of hair I might. I might have pulled it
all out. It would have been done, Like no.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
Bro, what sick?
Speaker 2 (34:31):
But those those thatswishes are you know, We're like, hey,
we're a different breed man.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
You know this.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
You know you know what even makes me mad, Like
when we would have interior players, you know what I mean,
like you know, limb ball and yeah, and trying to
get I'll be I'll be angry. I'd be like no, no, no, no,
no no.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Duke stopped to run. You played the screen.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Hey, In fact, I tell you de talkles all the.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Time before they try to convert me to you tagle.
This year, do you do you tackle? Stop? They stopped
the screen. So there's a screen.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Your job is to get in front of that running
back and buy us one more second because I should
be on his ass. Or the next year, like you
stopped the run and stop the screens.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Let's should take care of that exactly.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
I will tell limbll I was like, okay, listen and
he'll tell you.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
You know, Limb J.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Monster he was.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
He was really good at the Giants. But he made
his hey in Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
In Minnesota, that's where he became a real real baller.
But when when when? When in New York?
Speaker 2 (35:29):
I would tell him because you know he'd be trying
to get sacks. I like, listen, listen, listen to Limb.
You see there's a tree and it's full of fruits,
and the fruits is the sack.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Your job is to pull the branch down.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
So I car you guys, defensive ends, Bro, we're a.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Special ego ego maniacs. At times like you, you go
in and be like, you know, if if somebody falls
off me and you get it, you literally like, hey, bro,
it's all full circuit.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
Come back your way.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
But if you don't want it, I donay. It may
not say your name, but you're in there. Like when
you look at my sacks, think of it as an
US thing. Like the defensive ends are sick hos, like
the way the way you felt about noles. That's why
(36:34):
I look at linebackers I see tomorrow days like Blitz
and he has six seven sacks on the season. I'm like,
you're dead wrong. You should be you should be covered.
You should be covered to buying us time to do
what we could do. No linebacker, ever, no middle linebacker
gets paid off of sacks like it.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
It's a it's a high five for you.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
You can get paid off of your your deflections and
your tackles and interceptions. That's your that's your chairy on top.
Nobody cares about your sacks. W go back there and
that tight end like you're supposed to. Man, that's crazy. Look,
I know, I know you got things to do. I
just I just wanted to appreciate you for your time. Man,
Appreciate you coming on tapping in with the pod, off
(37:12):
the Edge podcast, all your success, for all the leadership,
for all the ambassador programs that you're you know you
you're lending power to and and creating a platform for.
It's it's not only commendable, it's going to be the future.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
You know.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
I hope twenty years from now, we're not gonna talk
about how few Nigerians are and we're gonna talk about
how many Africans are part of the NFL. But I
appreciate you tapping in off the edge the pod with
Cam Jordan. Man appreciate oh see, you know, just dropping
(37:49):
game per usual, just talking when I tell you a
great guy, great great person. I wish I was younger
to have been on the Giants, just to just to
try and learn from a group like they had. I
mean they had dogs back in the day. Oh Seaman,
you're you talk about Mike's Trey han who's a legend. Everybody,
every defense man wanted to be like Mike, want to
(38:09):
be like Mike straight hand, especially after the career that
he's had you transition to TV etctera. It's just, you know,
he's the standard. You talk about JPP. You remember JPP
dog uh and then of course Justin Tuck. You know,
just like there's a reason why they won championships. They
built from the D line and up. That's how That's
how I build championship team. I'd go strong, interior, amazing ends,
(38:33):
and then you build a team as they are. But anyways,
of course, amazing quarterback, you know, take back prime Drew
Brees and just give them, you know, me bringing Trey
Henderson Will Smith as a pass rush in three and
then I take a probably prime Centric Ellis or Sheldon
Rankings or ooh now, Brian Berzi. He's got six and
(38:53):
a half saxon the season. Either way, that's just the
Saints wants that I can never have. That I can't
get back.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
But you know, there's there's there's more. So we'll see
how the shakes out.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
We're entering the segment I like to call the final push.
And honestly, you know, when I think about how we
lost to the Rams, we lost by seven, we twenty
one to fourteen.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
We had a chance at the end to finish it.
I wish we were just finished.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
You know.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
The pivotal change the last couple of games has been
finishing strong, start fast, finished strong. We started fast, three
points up, six points up, we go into halftime six
So you have to be able to finish those games.
Go twenty one points on the defense in the in
the second half. It's just now calling it an embarrassing.
It hurts because if they don't score after the second half,
they can't win.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
For it to come down to the final wire, we
don't get it done.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
This shit got to figure out a way to get
back in the W column. I mean, our division is
still up for grab. Somehow, some way, we have to
be able to close this out. We go five strong.
You can't tell me we're not sliding in. We're still
playing hopeful games, meaningful games.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
So we have to be able to figure that out.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Too.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
I mean, it doesn't help when you lose guys like
you know, Nick's out, goes down, our starting offensive guard
for the game. He goes down. Then you know, Tyring
goes down, but he's coming back, you know, he goes
I think he comes back in or maybe he doesn't,
but it's not as bad as I think. But then
you lose Taysom Hill and it you lose a guy
like Taysom Hills. Man's a Swiss army knife. And I'm
(40:18):
not even sure what the injury was. I don't even
gonna talk about it because if if a season ending
like it probably will be that hurts. I mean, you've
seen what he does and in our short yardage game alone,
and that that's game saving.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
Nobody stops tasting third and two, third and third and one.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
How you can't so that that that changes a dynamic?
Speaker 4 (40:41):
What do you where?
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Where do you where's he gonna line up at wyde, receiver, slot,
tight end, full back. He might be the thirteen personnel
big tight end. I mean he plays every position. So
to lose something like him, man, that that's going to
take an adjustment. You can't replace a guy like him.
I mean you've seen when he's healthy. When he's out,
that's like replacing a guy like you can't. Some guys
just aren't replaceable.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
You know.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
It's like headdreshers being thrown inside on.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
The Tier D line.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
But I digress. So we got to be able to
find our way to win. You know, the Saints fans
have been nothing short but amazing. They came back, they've rallied.
It's like they've they've been the Saints team. Like you know,
when we won we were related and we lose. It's
like we could have won, and you feel that in
the city we're just trying to win. We have to
find our way to win because the fans deserve it.
(41:30):
I think that, you know, for random people that I
saw like online, like hey, we should tank for a spot.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
What do you talk about. There's no tank. It's this
year or nothing.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
It's like the Super Bowls in New Orleans and you
tell me we still have a playoff chance.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
We can't tank.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Ain't no such thing as tank, and we have to
take that to take Yeah, not tank. Take tank is
my son. Nah, No, tank is where he belongs right
right in school, right now. Take every win available, five
games if we have to find a way, find our reason,
find our drive to take every win this this uh,
(42:05):
this season. So whatever happens, let it happened, but we
have to take these wins.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
Five left.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
We figured, you figure we finished nine and eight. We
can live with that. Darren Rizzy, interim head coach, We
can live with that.
Speaker 4 (42:18):
You know.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Derek Carr, the way he's been playing, I wish he
had never got hurt like they if our teams healthy,
Rashi she Chris Olive. You know, we don't miss out
on anybody any games. Talking about ak talk about Jamal Williams,
you talk about you know, healthy Kendre Miller. Completely different conversations, bro,
But that's now where we're at.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
This is the NFL.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Guys get hurt, things happen for the final for the
final part, you know, it's just being thankful, you know,
thankful that we have our chance to have five more games,
that we're not out of playoffs, that we still can
still fight it. I'm even more thankful, you know that
I'm part of a phenomenal organization, a phenomenal franchise. I'm
(43:03):
at the highest level thankful because you know, I talked
to OC early and I was like, Yo, the family's healthy.
My kids are healthy. You know, wife, mom, dad, daughter's son,
everybody's good.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
You know this this passed by week.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
I was out in LA and I did a lot
of you know, did a lot of Vincent's studio, but
all over at the Fox studio there was a kid.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
I talked to.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Aiden Steiner where, man, he's got one of the rarest
because he's as a kid, he's a child. You know,
it was a whole acronom I NA D Infantile neuroximal
disorder where you know, like they say a lot of
those kids don't even make it past ten. As a father,
I am heartstruck, like broken, Like I'm like, I can't
(43:48):
even imagine if if it was a cousin, it was
a friend, it was Aidan, Like I'm talking ad and
I'm just like heart hurt. I can imagine if it
was my child. So that's why I'm saying, my life
is a blessing and you have to take advantage of
each and every opportunities. And hopefully you know to listeners
out there, you're doing just that. You're you're enjoying each
and every moment, the ups at the downs, because there
(44:11):
is an opportunity. As long as you're breathing breath of
fresh air, as long as you're breathing life, you can
speak life. And if you can speak life, you can
just create positivity. You create positivity, you can create a
momentum change. If you need a momentum change, come be
around me. I'm gonna be nothing but the highest positive
and highest push for positivity. And that's you know, gonna
start with the Saints going want to know this week
(44:31):
that's shout out to the Steiner family.
Speaker 4 (44:33):
Shout out to Aiden and if there's a.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Chance to even overcome, I hope he does because to
hear that man, that's a strong family. Dad, patient mom, patient,
little brother, understanding and patient. Like, just be blessed for
what you have and know that even though things can
always be better, they can always be worse. So God
bless This is Cam Jordan Off the Edge podcast.
Speaker 4 (44:57):
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Speaker 1 (44:59):
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Speaker 4 (45:09):
Just out there is the pot me Your host, Caim
Jordan m m m hm m m
Hey, welcome to Off Edge the Pod with your host
me Cam Jordan. I'm I'm super excited because not only
do I gotta get to talk to Og of the game,
legend of the game, if you will, you know, a
Giants legend for sure, one of the great d d ns,
one of the one of the real, one of the
first real hybrids, for real, for real that just plug
and play wherever you could go, pro bowler, all pro.
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More importantly, a super Bowl champion, not one time, but
two times. My dog Og legend oco me Europe.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Well, that's a great intro, man, god Lee, I mean,
I wish everybody introduced me like that.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
That's incredible, cap. I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
I'm not trying to.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I'm not trying to just you know, just give us
flower I'm trying to give flowers to my dog.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
You know.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yes, I'm blessed, you know, I'm blessed to be gainfully employed,
and I'm pissed off that we somehow we tricked off
a game against the Rams last week.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
But I'm also motivated, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, I hear you this year fifteen for you year
fourteen fourteen, that's crazy, man. I remember us being in Africa. Well,
first of all, we'll probably get to that. But I
have never in my life laughed as hard as that
day when we're in that restaurant and you told me
that story that that was that was the funniest thing
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I've ever heard in my life.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
But yeah, well we will definitely, we will definitely get
to it. You know, like, oh yeah, if you can't live,
you can't love, Like what's the point of living.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Yeah, yeah, I love.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I love every minute of this life. I may I
tell people, like, the worst time my life may be
you know, a game on.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
A Sunday where you don't you don't come out with
the win.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
But if that's the worst part of life, yeah, life
is all My people are healthy, you know, Mom's healthy, pops,
healthy kids, healthy wife healthy. At the end of the day,
I don't have to, like really truly worry about anything
that's not out of my plate. Like everything seems to
be in control right now.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
So let's let's I'm going to stop you there, because
that's not the worst. The worst isn't losing. The worst
is losing, and you don't get a sack.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
That's the defense losing. You don't get a sack.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
That's like your you don't you don't know what to
do for yourself for the rest of the week.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
But see, that's that's how you focus even on a
wind though if the team wins, you don't get a sack.
I used to be hung like I didn't like, I
didn't eat, Like we won, but I didn't eat.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Yeah, So like everybody's yeah, and I'm like, I'm like.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I stopped the run, but like I also didn't eat
like I thought I was going to. Like, but my
happiness completely shifted a long time ago because you know,
my rookie year, I had.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
One one yeah, yeah, right, I was.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Told I wasn't gonna play a run or I wasn't
gonna play the past, you know, so like rookies had
to earn it.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
And then ever since then, rookies have been on third down.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
So like, you know, like the the ideology, I was
just like born into that old old age of bs,
you know, of the hey, you got to hurt each
and every up, but all a sudden we drop somebody
and they're just thrown in there. Or like you get
a free agent free agent and you just like throw
on the edge like yeah, yeah, he's gonna work. He
doesn't even know our culture, he doesn't know our way,
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you know. But again that's it's different. So now I
love I love just winning. I love the idea. In fact,
now I'm a year fourteen, and you know, even I've
even learned again, if the worst sixty minutes I have
is them telling me that they don't need me and
we're gonna, you know, shift the page and sort of
head towards our younger guys, I'm damn near coaching, and
I'm sick that I can't be on the field because
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I'm like, as much as I want to play, as
much as I want to work, as much as I
as I know I can be successful at the defensive
n spot, I'm like, yo, I just want to win.
It's one of these wins are more important than the next.
Because I was like, we can create some sort of
a push for playoffs. Let's want a damn super Bowl
because you know, you see how I threw that two
time super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Oh you're out there, guess what I don't have next
to my name? It could be all accurate.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Twenty tens, NFL Decade, All Pro Pro Bowl, YadA, YadA, YadA, YadA, YadA, YadA.
But for some reason, super Bowl champion. There's twenty seven
years of Jordan men in the NFL, and guess what
we don't have.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
We got a lot of accolades. We don't have the accolades.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I believe that probably at this stage in your life,
in your career, and nothing could probably mean more than
that because you've done everything else.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Let me just I've been to NFC championship game. I
ain't been beyond it.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's probably it for you. Man.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Man, I need like I need to know what that
feels like. And and I and I put it up
in the category of like, like, will I consider my
career of failure if I don't win a Bowl? Absolutely not.
I've outshot my coverage. It's like walking around with the
wife when you know you got a ten on your shoulder,
Like it just feel you know what I'm saying, Like
it's not as bad.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
You know, Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
There's there's no circumstances which you can call your career
like a failure even if you don't win, because that's
people who want super Bowls who ain't really gotten nothing.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Earned any of it.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Exactly what was just not even what excuse a jag like,
wasn't even just a guy?
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Was just a guy they hired a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
You know, like if you were if you were one
of the guys, and then you have to go like
ring like Super.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Bowl, ring hunting.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Good for you, but also does it hit the same
if all you did was young team, the team, the team,
the team, and finally found.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
One, It's not the same.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
The whole time team straight up, straight up legendary.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
That's what I'm like.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
I said, I've got so much loyalty towards the franchise.
It doesn't matter if the franchise kicked me out tomorrow,
I'd still have love for the franchise.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Like would you play somewhere else?
Speaker 1 (05:42):
I've thought about it like four or five times over
the years.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
I was like, oh, I can touch for agency. I've
never won. I've never touched for agency.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I've never had a year where I didn't have guaranteed
money in it. I've never played without guaranteed money. That's
enough loyalty for me. Like my family good, my life good,
my kids kids will be mm hmm. I'm out in
the community daily, like you're out of the community and
in Africa trying to create the I p P. Which yea,
let's let's get into it because I'm getting I'm getting
more on me and less on you, and you're you're
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the legend that we're bringing in. You know, like, uh,
we hung out in Africa. You know, uh that this
pass off season two years ago, this passive season. Yeah,
that's offseason. That's how you know time. Time is just
a flat line. For me, It's not a circle, it's
straight linear. I'm just like, yeah, happened yesterday a week ago. Okay,
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my bad. But you know, we we shot that Born
a Place Who Bo commercial out in Akra, Ghana, which
I've already called Acra until I got there and it
then became a craw which which just tells you Americans
have been wrong about everything for so long. But what
was your favorite movement A moment about shooting the Born
to Play campaign?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
I think overall it was just you know, seeing you
guys there, you know, like seeing you Saquan Jefferson, Like
understanding what the idea behind the NFL Africa was and
that connection that was trying to be forged, and then
just seeing it come to reality like that like, never,
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in my mind whatever, imagine that the biggest names in
the NFL would have been shooting a commercial in the
middle of a markets in Ghana, You understand what I mean.
Like the absurdity of that, you know, never would have
crossed my mind where we began the whole program. So
just seeing you guys there, seeing you guys connect with
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your heritage where you're really from, understanding what was really
going on, seeing the way people were looking at you,
to me, that was the most special thing.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Man.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
It's something that I always wanted. I didn't know how
I was gonna make that happen.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
You know.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
We started with just the African players, and then you know,
we started to see more and more American people were like, hey, listen,
I want to I want to be a part of this.
I want to understand what's going on. And you know,
seeing more people grab take towards that, which was the
original idea, was just mind blowing for me.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
And that was the part, the best part.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
For me absolutely.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
I mean, you know, I got to I got to gone,
and I was like, yeah, I see you all at
this hotel, but I'm in the streets, like I was walking,
I was walking in the marketplaces and walking like I
was going places doing you know.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
You're a boy cam like, bro, yeah, cam is in
the streets.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
I'm like, bro, you're in.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
The I'm in there and I'm in this.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
You hit me. Was like, was like, hey man, this
is not like it's not like you can't just walk
away and walk around here. I was like, man, look,
I was like, to be clear, I feel so.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
At home here.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
I look across the way and brother brother called me
light skin, you know what I'm saying. Like, I'm like,
I'm walking, I'm vibing. The old ladies is all hitting
on me. You know, they hit me with that big
back activities. I'm like a Mary Sweetheart, no home, but
you know, like just just enjoying the culture.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Just I love anytimes like I've hit Africa, I just
feel like I'm good there, you know what I'm saying, Like,
and I've probably got a false sense reality because I'm
just walking around like, yeah, these are my people, you know,
whether it's been Egypt, whether it's been Ghana, Liberia. You know,
the more Africa that I see, it's just like the
more I feel like, you know, when you walk around
and you know, all the owners, all the whatever is
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history that you may have a part of, like you know,
you do the twenty three and me and I'm like,
oh you got Nigerian and and I recoach YadA YadA,
and I'm like, hell yeah, you know mother Lancetrong.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Because you know that's like to be To be completely honest,
the understated part of NFL Africa was that is that
there's a connection that has been broken so many years ago,
you know, and I feel like there's a misunderstanding between
those two people and just now you're starting to see
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that connection be re established and come back together. And
I have to be I love to see it, man.
Like to me, I was just in awe, Like when
I would watch you and I was just looking in
my head. I was like, man, this is this is
so cool. Look at what sports What sports can do,
you know what I mean? Like, look at what sports
can can do bring people back together like this man,
and having you in that environment and having all you
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guys in that environment, man, the most special part of
everything for.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Me, Man, legendary vibes. And then you look, you took
me to you took me to a food spot. You're like,
you know, you know, you got me off the streets
for real. I was just rocking roaming. I went to
the beach, I went to like some other stuff. They're like, hey,
it's not so safe for there. I was like, well,
I don't know where I'm I was like, I've been.
I've been as far as the fruvelas in Brazil and
theods from California to New York. I don't really care
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if they've got great food. I'm going big back activities
all time. But you took me to this whole and
wall spot. You're like, no, this is like You're like, yokam,
this is a place. Now, it's not gonna have the
highest You like, there might be a hole. Bro. We
got in there and there's literally holes at the ceiling.
They have plastic containers catching the free fall dripping whatever,
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the water dripping down. But that food was fire Oh good?
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Or is it? How good was that food?
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Bro?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
And you're like you're like, no, Bro, this sauce is
not like America sauce is just like, this sauce is hot.
I was like, man, please, I'm in merry and hey,
I'm eating the green sauce over all a big job
of guy.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeaes sir absolutely, man that it's important that when you
go to Africa, you just don't go to like the
tourist spots, like you go see like really what Africa
is about, right and taking you to that type of
restaurant where it's not a glitzy, glamorous type of spot.
It's yeah, a hole in the wall, but you've got
to really experience what Africa was like. And you saw it.
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The food was incredible, you experienced it. We got out
of there, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
He great times.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I was like, I gotta go back to We're not
gonna talk about you know, we're gonna we're gonna find
out from the top to the bottom. I didn't even
know what the culture is about, all right, but anyways,
let's uh, let's talk about me. You know you're Nigerian, Nigerian,
you know, born in London, still got a British accent
at times. Yeah, move to Alabama, which I didn't catch
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that southern draw from you. But you know was how
was the multicultural upbringing that you have helped you shape?
Like how you wanted to expand the football, the game
of football, so.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
You see, my whole life experience actually taught me so
many different things, especially about the game. I think being
born in London where nobody knew anything about football when
I was back then in eighty one, then moved to Nigeria,
nobody knew anything about football, and getting to Alabama, which
was crazy. Imagine going from Nigeria, you know, to Alabama,
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the Deep South.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
That was bizarre.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
But then I started to play the game, and what
I realized was in Nigeria, I wasn't one of the
top athletes there. Like I just wasn't. There's so many
people who had much more athleticism. There were better athletes
than me. But as soon as I got to America,
for whatever reason, I became a pretty good athlete, and
I said, well, this game right here gave me the
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opportunity to get an education, you know. Then from there
go into the NFL and make all this money, and
everybody's trying to do all these different charities, and they're
trying to do all these different things. In Africa, it's like, well,
we have this amazing resource, these incredible athletes, and nobody's
given them an opportunity.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
So rather than.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Doing charity the way people usually do. Why don't we
do it a different way. Why don't we use this game,
which is American football to give the people, those incredible
athletes opportunities that are you know, ordinarily they wouldn't have.
And that was the whole idea behind the NFL Africa program.
We have I think it's like six players now in
the NFL. We have a couple in college, some of
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the NFL Academy here in the UK. So it's just
really a program of utilizing what they have there to
give them opportunities. You know, it's not just oh, we're
going to do charity, we're going to do this, we're
going to build Well, no, these guys have incredible athletic ability.
These guys have the ability to do things that can
actually help to teams. They can help colleges, they can
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help you know, the NFL academy. Okay, cool, Well they're
going to get education, they're gonna.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Make some money. People who are on the streets that.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Are currently in the NFL, they're sitting in the same
mean room as you imagine like somebody being like you
know the places that we saw them in Ghana just
out there and then like a month later you know,
they're in the NFL and in training camp, they're training,
they're getting prepared for football, like you know, the mind
mess that that does, and and just seeing things like
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that happen, there's really nothing quite like it.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Hell, bro, my stunt double was bigger than me. You like,
you was super swollen, and I was like, what do
any stuff double before? But I was like, yo, also
come play nose tackle for me, you know, like yeah, yeah, yeah,
just put this double team. You were built for this
and you didn't even know it like this. That's one
of the crazyest scenes is like watching kids, you know,
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go go beachside and uh in Ghana watching them play soccer,
you know, for for football, and like and how athletic
they are and just like it looks like they're running
on top of the sand, you know, like little speakers.
And I was I was jogging on the beach getting
my little cardio in. These kids are rolling. I was like, bro,
they're athletes everywhere, but they're better focuses, you know, on
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a on a primarily non contact sport.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Where come plain wide receiver, big dog.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
I was like, I see you, I see you rolling,
you know, like you could you could probably hold your
own in a little seven, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
But yeah, that's that's that's something that's really what that
was about. That's what we've been doing, and you know,
thank me, the NFL got behind it. It's it's it's
been incredible.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
You know.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I wish you know, I know you traveled to Africa a lot.
I hope like along these next trips when we do
another one of these camps where we're going to go
get these athletes camp, I want you to just come
and I want you to see where these guys are training.
You see them practicing, You like, okay, cool, other guy.
I don't know about this guy. You know, he's got
the size, he looks athletic. And then you know a
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month later he's in your camp. He's literally your train
in your meal room, going through the same things you're
going through, and you're like, how is this even possible? Man?
And a lot of the guys who've been through to
the camps, they've actually seen that. Some of them are
on teams now in Cleveland with guys who recruited them.
You know, we got guys who are you know, in
different football teams, and the NFL players were there when
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they saw them first. And then a year later they're
sitting next to them in their stadium or in their
practice facility getting ready for games.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
It's it's crazy, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
I mean just the assurd.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
In fact, tell Hard Knocks to call us bro like
they got hard Knocks and they look at they looking
at the one specific team. But part of we could
extend the hard Knocks out to like the international level
of like, hey, this guy's been killing it, working it.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Guess what, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
He's going to get this invite to this team, just
trying to camp, just see if it shakes.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Yeah, imagine that story.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
The match is just just the story alone.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
So you're talking about the but that's all for part
of the I p P program right.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Pathway.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
You know, Yeah, I when I was uh you know,
years ago, not years ag because he's still in the league.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
But David On Yamata came from Nigeria. In Nigeria, you know, just.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Monster d tackle for the Saints and then once he
went to the trash Birds, I mean dirty bird Falcons.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
You know it's different, but.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Monster, monster of a human being, great guy, great player,
and just you hear his story, he's like, yeah, you
used to have to go to the bush and come
from America. I was like, what is this bush? Yeah,
so actual bush? Are you going to a brush? Are
you going to? Yeah, like literal jungle. And it was like, yeah,
we have bush me what is bush meet?
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Like?
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Whatever you catch in the.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Bush, whatever, You're going to this jungle? He goat deer, monkey, whatever, armadillo?
What what rabbit? Whatever?
Speaker 4 (17:53):
This bush meet? Can tall?
Speaker 1 (17:54):
You like, you're just You're just throw it in the
stew and you're going get some food food you calling
it today?
Speaker 3 (17:59):
This man, it's a different life.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
It's different life, completely different life. You hear that.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
It's like you just I'm just like, I'm glad I
never had to go get my own food. You know,
what would you consider the biggest culture shock going from
like a even London, you know, Nigeria, but you take
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your you take your behind on to Alabama, Bama, roll
tie Rollbama.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Really you were you were more like war Eagle Obama.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
But oh yeah, but there's a lot, there's a lot
to impact there. There's a lot to impact there because
you know, when I was in Nigeria, people would bring
back like tapes from America and so they would bring
back like it would be The Cosby Show, it'd be
The Fresh Prince of bel Air, it'd be Beverly Hills
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nine o two on Oh, it'd be Baywatch.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
So my idea of America was that you understand what.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
That's what I.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Thought America was. And so I remember if I got
on the plane, my dad told me. He was like, hey, listen,
you're going to a very dangerous part of America. And
in mind, I couldn't. I was like, what is he
What do you mean by you're going to America doesn't
have dangerous places, it's you know, it's Bentley Hill's Nihill
to one. Oh. And what he didn't tell me was
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I was going to live in Section eight housing in
the projects in Alabama.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Right. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
So we go from Nigeria, where we're thinking America is
one way, and I get to not only America, but
I get to the south of America and I get
to Alabama Section eight, you know, right in the middle
of Oak Rage housing projects, and my mind was completely blown.
I never I couldn't even imagine what it was that
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I was seeing. I didn't understand the way they were talking,
I didn't understand the way they dressed, and I just
I didn't know, you know, America was like that.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
You know, so, oh see the son of a king
in Nigeria, the prince prince oci Section eight housing, real
coming to America type stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Like but that's really, that's really you know a lot
of people don't really know this, but that's really what happened. Like,
it's really what happened. Like my father like he would
you know, he was he was the king of our village.
And so that was I would say coming to America
was an exaggerated version of our lives, but it was
it was similar, you understand, And so you leave that
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and you you come to Section eight housing, and in
all being Alabama, it was it was bizarre.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
And so we had to navigate our way through that.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Everybody know you and care about you and like what
you know, village protectors to hey, man, don't give a
damn about you.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Let b find the first guy met.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
I'll never forget this.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
And I got to school and I told him I
was from Nigeria and he was like, oh, how did
you get here? I was like, well, we flew. He
was like you flew?
Speaker 3 (21:14):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
They ain't got planes over there? You came over here
on a whale, and I thought it was joking.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
He was joking.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
He couldn't understand that, you know, we could actually fly
to America because in Africa we didn't have any.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Of these things. So it was third that was crazy, bro, crazy.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
But also Alabama, you know, like, come on, education South,
it's it's a thing.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
It's different there. But then also some of the nicest people,
you know, that's Southern charm, Southern aspects.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
That's a real that's a real thing too.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
So they have some of the nicest, you know, most generous,
you know people, and and you know, once I outed
to play football, I started to you know, make friends
and all that good stuff, and then everything just starts
to roll from there. And you know, some of my
best friends are you know, they're from there. But it's
initially that shock was.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Crazy.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Come from come from the West coast, the southern the
Southern shock is real. You're like, oh, oh.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Like is this the nineties?
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Like why why do you feel like everything's a little
bit outdated?
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Know what do you mean?
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Yeah, Okay, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
I mean the transition alone from New Orleans from twenty
eleven to twenty twenty something has been outstanding, Like I
can only imagine.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
What it was like in Bama.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
God Damgnya Bama.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, but you like it, love it, love.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Or do nobody come down? And I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
I mean because you used to come with the Giants.
So anybody, anybody that was part of the Ops is
the Ops. You know, like you you live here, they
love you, you play for here, like they're they're willing
to go out their way for you.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
And you know, it's it's unlike.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
New York, Like New York's always feels double edged, like
even when they like you, you feel like they're ready
to stab you in the back. Like here, guys, he's
Coasters man. You never you never really know where you
stand with him. You're like, you know you might die,
but you're also not their guy. You know.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
You know what I didn't know because you know, I
played I played my final two seasons in Atlanta with
the Falcons.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
I don't think a lot of people understand that Falcons
and they don't. They don't understand what's going on there, man, Like,
can you explain?
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Can you do your best to explain to me what
what is that?
Speaker 4 (23:40):
I don't know?
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Our city is better than ours, Like it's a it's
a it's a city vers city honestly situation, you know,
which is crazy because uh, in the NFL, like the
Giants have people that they dislike, but the whole conference,
Like Giants don't like Philly, but Philly doesn't like you know, cowboys.
(24:01):
Cowboys don't like and y'all sort of don't sort of
okay with the Washington Commanders but don't like them, you know,
but like for for for our conference, like you know,
so the same thing with the AFC North, Like they're like, oh,
we don't like the Steelers, don't like the Bengals, and
the Bengals don't like the Ravens. Like everybody has this
(24:22):
interchangeable hate. You know, it's very directed. Atlanta doesn't like
New Orleans, and you know what, the energy is returned.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
New Orleans doesn't like Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
The Saints don't I hate, you know, I hate Falcons players,
you know, teammates that go over there.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
I just feel like they're traitorous. Coaches go over there.
I'm like, how did you choose lesser?
Speaker 5 (24:43):
You know?
Speaker 1 (24:44):
It's I mean, like even though yeah, there's so many
similarities and yet there isn't you know, a Falcon can
never be a saint, you know, m.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
That's that's that is a real Yeah. I didn't. I
didn't understand it.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
When I got there, I was like, why are they
so why are they so angry?
Speaker 1 (25:04):
So this is this is different because you feel you
feel the evil energy where you're walking there.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Lock the gates behind them. When we get done beating
your behind, then you can leave.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
There's been there's been years where we've flown in Atlanta
and they egged the buses like that's where like I love.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
It, I love it. I love to hate them.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
You know I was saying talking about football just in general,
like you know, how was I was leaving from one
team to another because I've never done it. You go
to from like when Super Bowls and Giants going to
trash Atlanta. Uh yeah, Okay, the city is nice. I
(25:47):
do enjoy Atlanta, but the Falcons they're not even in
They're not even in Atlanta anymore. They're like they took
they took right. There was the New Orleans super Dome,
which was was at the time when the Mercedes been
super Dome and can Atlanta couldn't you know, they couldn't
emulate what a Super Bowl ring looked like so many
they became. They became the Mercedes Ben sup Super domb.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
You got so many different variations of insults. You got
just yeah, a plethora.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Absolutely, I've been here for fourteen years. The bag is
not getting lighter, you know.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Man, I hear you so I al would say this.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
It's I because I lived in Atlanta my whole career,
even when I was playing with New York, Like, Atlanta
is my off season home. My parents lived there before.
When I was in school, they were living in Atlanta,
so Atlanta was where so it was almost like coming
home right in that sense. But oddly enough, you know,
I didn't know that I wasn't a great player until
(26:50):
I got to Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
That's that's when I knew that I wasn't a great player.
No no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Cap The entire time I was in New York, I
thought I was the best defensive end in football.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
I thought that I did. In my head. I was like,
I'm the best defensive end in football. As you have
to think, right, and.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
You know, because you're having a lot of success, but
you don't really account for the other dogs who I
had with me.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
You understand, who made my job so much easier, just to.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Straight hand JP Interior, Robbins Cofield like lin Val, like
killers and so you know, you're doing all this stuff
in New York and then I was, yeah, I'm there.
Then I get to Atlanta and them dudes ain't there,
and that level of success could have replicated.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
I was like, oh, okay, I'm good. I was a
good player. The great players. The great players could replicate
success anyway anywhere.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
That's just a fact.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
And leaving New York, to me, it was something that
had to be done.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
You know.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I enjoyed my years in Atlanta. I did the great people,
great great organization. But that's when I found out that
I wasn't the greatest defensive end in football. I found
it out there.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
That's what you can I mean, speaking of guys moving
in there, what do you think about like, you know,
like there's some giant Philadelphia hate. What do you think
about Saint Quan going from the Giants to Philly?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, of course you know where
we were in in Ghana. I spoke to Saquan and
I pulled him aside. I spoke to him and his
father and I was like listen, there's only two players
who I've told not to leave New York. I told Odell, yeah,
(28:48):
don't leave New York. And then you know, when I
ran into him, he was like, well he didn't want
to leave. They kind of forced him out. So he
didn't really want to leave New York, but he forced
him out.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
So Bowl champion Odell Beckham, Yeah, yeah, exactly, you kicked
me out.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Exactly right now.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
I still think his career, even though he want to ring,
I think Odell in New York was that's a that's
different gravy bro. That's just that was. That was a movement. Yeah,
you understand what I mean. He was a different level
of star in New York than than we've seen.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Right, baby Baby Deity for sure.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Oh that was that was that was an incredible time
for him. And so that that I think I was
kind of correcting him not wanting to leave New York.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Now. I spoke to Sau. I was like, listen, don't
don't do this, you know, new York, because I you.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Know, I had left New York and you know it
didn't work out. And at that point in time, I
hadn't really seen people who left New York that went
on to have real success. So I was like, yeah,
don't do that, And I got to tell you all
was wrong. Yeah, he didn't take my advice, Cam and he's.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
A to be the MVP. Man.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
There we go. That's all it's gonna say.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Say ridiculous, ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
It ain't been.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
It ain't been a running back as MVP in years,
a decade, decades. I don't know what that is, but
it feels like it's very quarterback or or wide receiver
at bast and yet here we are.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Like this, like did you see the backwards hurt? Like
what what was that?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I mean they added in in Madden bro like the
backward hurdle, and you you get excited when you know
it said top ten highlight when somebody hurdles over somebody,
he goes, he goes backwards, and then get yeah, yeah
he's going absolutely federal.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
You know Eagles. Then go ahead, and you know.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Just thinking about the Eagles, Now Sae Kwon goes over.
Now you know he's he's probably a MVP favorite. They
beat they beat the Ravens, Does that prove that they're
contender worthy?
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Now? Definitely, would you say there a favorite? I would
say that in the in the NFC.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Okay, best team in the NFC.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Detroit Detroit is Detroit is a superb team also, but
I believe Philly can beat Detroit. So in the NFC,
you have to you have to put them when you
look at the way that roster's constructed, that offensive line
dominance right, their running game, their defense is playing well,
they have received they can beat you in every way,
so that there's really no way that you can look
at Philly and be like, Okay, you know this is
(31:23):
a team unless the quarterback struggles and they're lightning the
load off of him with that running game, So it's
got They're gonna be a tough out in the NFC.
I would say that probably, you know, if not number one,
that one beat definitely.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
M m.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
All right, let's let's take this back out of your career.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Is there a single game that you can, like, you
can highlight that you black man, that was my best game.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Ever, best game ever, So I had We're playing against Philly.
I had six acts in the game in Philly.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Before I got to the league. I remember that though
I was in college. Yeah yeah, oh seven yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Six sacks in the game. But that that wasn't I
don't think that was my best game.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Six sacks was in your best game? You know?
Speaker 1 (32:08):
You pass rushers only quantify sacks, like, yeah, yo, y'all
do't y'all would be like, oh, I had fourteen tackles,
like there was a there was a game I had fourteen.
I was like, really him, like you only had you
only had a half sack. I have fourteen tackles. I
was everywhere anyways, but six six sacs? Why why is
that not your Why is that not your best game?
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Because and I got to the quarterback a total of
eight times.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Cy clip, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Eight times six sacks.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
I love the outcomes, right, So, but that's that's what
you call like an anomaly that that doesn't happen a
lot of times. You get to the quarterback eight nine times,
you might walk away with one and a.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Half two, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yeah, so every time I got back there was a sack. Now,
we played against Carolina it was in two thousand and six,
actually six and I hit the quarterback thirteen times. Not
precious thirteen quarterback hits, zero sacks, right, But to me,
that was that was that was my best game as
(33:12):
a as a pass rusher. I'd never I'd never passed
rushed like that before. That was my best game as
a pass rusher. Thirteen quarterback hits thirteen is crazy thirteen
back there.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
I might I might have been more sick leaving that
game than I would. Oh yeah, Like I got six
sacks off eight hits thirteen and you leave with nothing nothing,
zero zero, Like I tell you when I tell you,
I'd leave the game so frustrated, like, oh, you had
a great game, don't talk to me right now.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Like I got to figure out how to get one
step faster.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
I'm on I'm on sledge training for the next five
days because I'm really getting there.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Or not getting there trying to get that would that
would have hurt my feelings like more, it's it's the
it's the success that you.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Don't have that I feel like bothers me anyways more
than ever, Like you could come up with you know,
I played Philly and had you know, three sacks against
Mike Vick. When I was young, girl, I was like,
this is my first three set game. I was like, amazing,
you're trying to film, but you fell off too, like
now it's like it.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
Really could have been a five sack game.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
I would I had a good game, but it could
have been legendary, you know, like.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Yeah, yeah, but for you to what you hit a.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Quarterback a dozen plus times and come up with nothing.
I probably zero me and you would have the same
amount of hair I might. I might have pulled it
all out. It would have been done, Like no.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
Bro, what sick?
Speaker 2 (34:31):
But those those thatswishes are you know, We're like, hey,
we're a different breed man.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
You know this.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
You know you know what even makes me mad, Like
when we would have interior players, you know what I mean,
like you know, limb ball and yeah, and trying to
get I'll be I'll be angry. I'd be like no, no, no, no,
no no.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Duke stopped to run. You played the screen.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Hey, In fact, I tell you de talkles all the.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Time before they try to convert me to you tagle.
This year, do you do you tackle? Stop? They stopped
the screen. So there's a screen.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Your job is to get in front of that running
back and buy us one more second because I should
be on his ass. Or the next year, like you
stopped the run and stop the screens.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Let's should take care of that exactly.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
I will tell limbll I was like, okay, listen and
he'll tell you.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
You know, Limb J.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Monster he was.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
He was really good at the Giants. But he made
his hey in Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
In Minnesota, that's where he became a real real baller.
But when when when? When in New York?
Speaker 2 (35:29):
I would tell him because you know he'd be trying
to get sacks. I like, listen, listen, listen to Limb.
You see there's a tree and it's full of fruits,
and the fruits is the sack.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Your job is to pull the branch down.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
So I car you guys, defensive ends, Bro, we're a.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Special ego ego maniacs. At times like you, you go
in and be like, you know, if if somebody falls
off me and you get it, you literally like, hey, bro,
it's all full circuit.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
Come back your way.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
But if you don't want it, I donay. It may
not say your name, but you're in there. Like when
you look at my sacks, think of it as an
US thing. Like the defensive ends are sick hos, like
the way the way you felt about noles. That's why
(36:34):
I look at linebackers I see tomorrow days like Blitz
and he has six seven sacks on the season. I'm like,
you're dead wrong. You should be you should be covered.
You should be covered to buying us time to do
what we could do. No linebacker, ever, no middle linebacker
gets paid off of sacks like it.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
It's a it's a high five for you.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
You can get paid off of your your deflections and
your tackles and interceptions. That's your that's your chairy on top.
Nobody cares about your sacks. W go back there and
that tight end like you're supposed to. Man, that's crazy. Look,
I know, I know you got things to do. I
just I just wanted to appreciate you for your time. Man,
Appreciate you coming on tapping in with the pod, off
(37:12):
the Edge podcast, all your success, for all the leadership,
for all the ambassador programs that you're you know you
you're lending power to and and creating a platform for.
It's it's not only commendable, it's going to be the future.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
You know.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
I hope twenty years from now, we're not gonna talk
about how few Nigerians are and we're gonna talk about
how many Africans are part of the NFL. But I
appreciate you tapping in off the edge the pod with
Cam Jordan. Man appreciate oh see, you know, just dropping
(37:49):
game per usual, just talking when I tell you a
great guy, great great person. I wish I was younger
to have been on the Giants, just to just to
try and learn from a group like they had. I
mean they had dogs back in the day. Oh Seaman,
you're you talk about Mike's Trey han who's a legend. Everybody,
every defense man wanted to be like Mike, want to
(38:09):
be like Mike straight hand, especially after the career that
he's had you transition to TV etctera. It's just, you know,
he's the standard. You talk about JPP. You remember JPP
dog uh and then of course Justin Tuck. You know,
just like there's a reason why they won championships. They
built from the D line and up. That's how That's
how I build championship team. I'd go strong, interior, amazing ends,
(38:33):
and then you build a team as they are. But anyways,
of course, amazing quarterback, you know, take back prime Drew
Brees and just give them, you know, me bringing Trey
Henderson Will Smith as a pass rush in three and
then I take a probably prime Centric Ellis or Sheldon
Rankings or ooh now, Brian Berzi. He's got six and
(38:53):
a half saxon the season. Either way, that's just the
Saints wants that I can never have. That I can't
get back.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
But you know, there's there's there's more. So we'll see
how the shakes out.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
We're entering the segment I like to call the final push.
And honestly, you know, when I think about how we
lost to the Rams, we lost by seven, we twenty
one to fourteen.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
We had a chance at the end to finish it.
I wish we were just finished.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
You know.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
The pivotal change the last couple of games has been
finishing strong, start fast, finished strong. We started fast, three
points up, six points up, we go into halftime six
So you have to be able to finish those games.
Go twenty one points on the defense in the in
the second half. It's just now calling it an embarrassing.
It hurts because if they don't score after the second half,
they can't win.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
For it to come down to the final wire, we
don't get it done.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
This shit got to figure out a way to get
back in the W column. I mean, our division is
still up for grab. Somehow, some way, we have to
be able to close this out. We go five strong.
You can't tell me we're not sliding in. We're still
playing hopeful games, meaningful games.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
So we have to be able to figure that out.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Too.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
I mean, it doesn't help when you lose guys like
you know, Nick's out, goes down, our starting offensive guard
for the game. He goes down. Then you know, Tyring
goes down, but he's coming back, you know, he goes
I think he comes back in or maybe he doesn't,
but it's not as bad as I think. But then
you lose Taysom Hill and it you lose a guy
like Taysom Hills. Man's a Swiss army knife. And I'm
(40:18):
not even sure what the injury was. I don't even
gonna talk about it because if if a season ending
like it probably will be that hurts. I mean, you've
seen what he does and in our short yardage game alone,
and that that's game saving.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
Nobody stops tasting third and two, third and third and one.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
How you can't so that that that changes a dynamic?
Speaker 4 (40:41):
What do you where?
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Where do you where's he gonna line up at wyde, receiver, slot,
tight end, full back. He might be the thirteen personnel
big tight end. I mean he plays every position. So
to lose something like him, man, that that's going to
take an adjustment. You can't replace a guy like him.
I mean you've seen when he's healthy. When he's out,
that's like replacing a guy like you can't. Some guys
just aren't replaceable.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
You know.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
It's like headdreshers being thrown inside on.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
The Tier D line.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
But I digress. So we got to be able to
find our way to win. You know, the Saints fans
have been nothing short but amazing. They came back, they've rallied.
It's like they've they've been the Saints team. Like you know,
when we won we were related and we lose. It's
like we could have won, and you feel that in
the city we're just trying to win. We have to
find our way to win because the fans deserve it.
(41:30):
I think that, you know, for random people that I
saw like online, like hey, we should tank for a spot.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
What do you talk about. There's no tank. It's this
year or nothing.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
It's like the Super Bowls in New Orleans and you
tell me we still have a playoff chance.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
We can't tank.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Ain't no such thing as tank, and we have to
take that to take Yeah, not tank. Take tank is
my son. Nah, No, tank is where he belongs right
right in school, right now. Take every win available, five
games if we have to find a way, find our reason,
find our drive to take every win this this uh,
(42:05):
this season. So whatever happens, let it happened, but we
have to take these wins.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
Five left.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
We figured, you figure we finished nine and eight. We
can live with that. Darren Rizzy, interim head coach, We
can live with that.
Speaker 4 (42:18):
You know.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Derek Carr, the way he's been playing, I wish he
had never got hurt like they if our teams healthy,
Rashi she Chris Olive. You know, we don't miss out
on anybody any games. Talking about ak talk about Jamal Williams,
you talk about you know, healthy Kendre Miller. Completely different conversations, bro,
But that's now where we're at.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
This is the NFL.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Guys get hurt, things happen for the final for the
final part, you know, it's just being thankful, you know,
thankful that we have our chance to have five more games,
that we're not out of playoffs, that we still can
still fight it. I'm even more thankful, you know that
I'm part of a phenomenal organization, a phenomenal franchise. I'm
(43:03):
at the highest level thankful because you know, I talked
to OC early and I was like, Yo, the family's healthy.
My kids are healthy. You know, wife, mom, dad, daughter's son,
everybody's good.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
You know this this passed by week.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
I was out in LA and I did a lot
of you know, did a lot of Vincent's studio, but
all over at the Fox studio there was a kid.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
I talked to.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Aiden Steiner where, man, he's got one of the rarest
because he's as a kid, he's a child. You know,
it was a whole acronom I NA D Infantile neuroximal
disorder where you know, like they say a lot of
those kids don't even make it past ten. As a father,
I am heartstruck, like broken, Like I'm like, I can't
(43:48):
even imagine if if it was a cousin, it was
a friend, it was Aidan, Like I'm talking ad and
I'm just like heart hurt. I can imagine if it
was my child. So that's why I'm saying, my life
is a blessing and you have to take advantage of
each and every opportunities. And hopefully you know to listeners
out there, you're doing just that. You're you're enjoying each
and every moment, the ups at the downs, because there
(44:11):
is an opportunity. As long as you're breathing breath of
fresh air, as long as you're breathing life, you can
speak life. And if you can speak life, you can
just create positivity. You create positivity, you can create a
momentum change. If you need a momentum change, come be
around me. I'm gonna be nothing but the highest positive
and highest push for positivity. And that's you know, gonna
start with the Saints going want to know this week
(44:31):
that's shout out to the Steiner family.
Speaker 4 (44:33):
Shout out to Aiden and if there's a.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Chance to even overcome, I hope he does because to
hear that man, that's a strong family. Dad, patient mom, patient,
little brother, understanding and patient. Like, just be blessed for
what you have and know that even though things can
always be better, they can always be worse. So God
bless This is Cam Jordan Off the Edge podcast.
Speaker 4 (44:57):
Tune in wherever you get your podcasts, whether the.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
iHeartRadio so uh it's it's the Apple podcasts. You know,
at the end of the day, we're still here, we're
still together, and I'm gonna keep on rocking, keep on
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