September 10, 2025 • 43 mins
On this episode of the Off the Edge with Cam Jordan podcast, Cam sits down with legendary pass rusher Shawne “Lights Out” Merriman to talk about the origin of his iconic sack celebration, the intensity of the Chargers-Raiders rivalry, and how advanced today's pass rushers have become. They dive into how today’s QBs have changed the game, why Shawne believes Micah Parsons is one of one, and how Shawne is building an MMA empire with his Lights Out Extreme Fighting company. A must-listen for football fans who love big hits, rivalries, and stories straight from the trenches.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome on in this off edge me, your host Cam
Jordan's Ah, I appreciate y'all for tuning in. We didn't
catch a win this past week, but it's all right.
We're moving forward. I'm already looking forward to the San
Francisco forty nine ers, where they may have some trouble
in their health depth chart coming up anyway, So like,
I like that for us. They got to flip up
the page the last couple of days, watch the film,
(00:28):
get after it. And now we're tuning in to the Niners,
Bang Bang Niner Gang. They gotta go down the Saints
way either way. I've got a special guest coming in.
We're talking about a guy who really started like a
memorable iconic SAX celebration as an edge guy, as a
defensive end. You know about the Jack Cameron now he
used to love that joint and you know with without
(00:49):
further adude talking about San Diego charge is great legend.
Sean Merriman University of Maryland product. I appreciate you coming in,
Big Dug. Appreciate it man. Thanks having me. Yeah, Bro,
Like I mean I just think about you know, just
just earlier playing days, Bro, you you was you was
jacked the way back there, so it only made sense
to come up with a celebration. Where'd the celebration come from?
(01:09):
Was that? Was that something you brought from University of Maryland?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
It was before then actually, So in high school, I
end up knocking your four kids out, you know, my
sophomore year, and I went I actually go end up
going home that day and asking, well it was at
that that school. The next day on Monday when we
went to school, and I went home and asked my
mom because everybody just called me lights out, like you
knock those kids lights out?
Speaker 1 (01:33):
And I didn't, you know, it was funny.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I didn't really expect for the cats like that, you know,
because when I went to school, it's like, yo, what's up?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Lights It caught on that fast.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I went home and this like before social media, before
like all that your YouTube, So it wasn't like out
there like it was just in school. I went home
and I asked my mom. It's like, yo, can I
get a lights out tattoo or switch on my right
fore arm? Everybody called me lights It's gonna be a thing.
One day she looked at me and she was like, boy,
you get the hell out the wrong right, just like that,
and I was like, okay. So every day for two
(02:02):
weeks I bothered. I went home after school, Mom, can
I get this tattoo? Can I get this tattoo? She
ended up, let me get it.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
But it went to my my freshman year in Maryland,
got tattoo at sixteen.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Let me.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
She took me to a tattoo of sixteen. And so
now my son asked for one at fifteen sixteen. So
I got to bite the bullet hit right. But now, man,
on my freshman year, we played Georgia Tech on ESPN
and actually this hit is on YouTube and Watkins.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Whyever, she was going across the middle and I was
dropping the coverage.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I had a big hit.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
It was my first time pointing to the tattoo, and
so I didn't really yeah, I didn't really expect it,
and then I got hyped up. I just started kind
of jumping up it down a little bit, as if
I'm going to the sideline. The crowd got louder, and
so that's where the whole thing started. Man, I was like,
I can't do it in college, but you're gonna get
flagged back then.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
So when I got to the pros man.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
It was on. Yeah, that's truly truly iconic. Huge Jared
Allen before they made him not that job like this,
there's a there's a funeral.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Man.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
It gets a side where you see other kids do
your stuff like some people like, man, I can't believe
you did your SAX celebration. I love when somebody come
up and hit mine. I'm like, hey need respect, Hey
me what you own?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
And you know what, man, the thing is when you're
a defensive player too, because you know when I was
a kid, I was.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
In the backyard.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
You know, I had the the the head band around
my neck like Dion and you do Dig Prime, you
know Prime's dance, and so you know as a kid,
when other kids do that, man, it's like that's a big,
big sign of respect.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Man. That's why I love it the most. Absolutely immlation
is is the biggest sign of flattery. You know what
I'm saying, Like, let's allude to all the greats out there,
which you know comes me out of SAX celebrations. Take
me into you know, your rivalries, because you know the
Saints got a rivalry with uh, the trash Land of Falcons,
the Falcons, the failed cons. You know, uh, but y'all,
(03:52):
y'all should have got a story rivalry somehow with the Raiders.
Seemed like I'm not gonna lie. Raiders and charge for
some reason beef a lot, which but the Nighters and
Raiders beef a lot too. So like I'm like, how
many beats can you have in lead? I'm always I'm
always on the verse of like you can only hate
one person, dude.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
So I didn't know when I got there my year
how stone that beef was. And then Marty Schaanenhammer was there.
And so Marty remember he was at Kansas City, yep.
And so you know, going through the week, we had
regular practice. Week, we had regular games, and then the
practice was hard because Marty Shaanhammer he was he was
tough all the time.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
And that first Wednesday of Raider Week, you start seeing
it like this whole pace everything changed. The guys are
taking each other to the ground. I'm like, what the
what's going on? You know, I'm trying. I'm cracked back
in practice, bro crackback block. It was wild.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
And then I just saw the intensity of Marty and
so like Marty put that put that in us to
really hate the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
So I understood that week what raided week was.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
It was just a different kind of rouperry Man, where
I was like, dude, this is this is nothing I
seen in previous previous weeks. Because the NFL is already fast.
Martins a tough coach, it's already a physical.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Practice, but now you got guys lining up with you know,
on the five yard line full go.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
During the season. So it was just it was a
different kind of time, man, Broun. You know when that
was happening, mm hmmmm. The coach set the tone and
you just falling in. You got to the game. It
was like it's you. I mean, is is there a
moment or play between that? You know? Those charges raided
games that like stood out like yeah, I hate y'all. Yeah, man.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
And in O six, matter of fact, because I think
I had like three or three or four sacks against him,
it was Monday night football and I remember going into
the stadium and it was a bunch of fans blocking
us from going in and it was throwing stuff at
the bus. So we had the police, had to be
doubled up, had to escort us in. And so I
was like, this is crazy. You going into the black hole,
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and so people don't understand kind of the rivalry between
the fan base, like the Chargers fans hate the Raiders
fan vice. Like it starts with the fans and then
it just kind of trickled down to US.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Coaches front office.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Play calling was different, you know, having the tight end
the wire sheep going in motion, crack block in the
d N.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
It was like it was a real hatred there that
I didn't know, you know, my rookie year, but by
six I already knew what time it was. So I
end up getting you know, three or four sacks on
one in the football and bro, when I tell you,
like I had a few hundred text messages after that game,
you know, my fault was blowing up, like those are
the ones you miss for everybody watching it on the
Sunday night or Monday night football where everybody's like, you.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Know, you go, life shine the brightest, absolutely crazy, come
on in you you catching you catching love and hate
at the same time. How are you gonna do my
dogs like that? You know, that's the way we put
on for the city, absolutely because you got thy.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Two we got you know, we still got boys and
the other team Now for those full coulters you hate,
you don't care. You'll go through the charity events only
all season. You know, after the game, you'll shake hands whatever.
But those full coarters, it don't even matter. They got
on a different colored element and their head gotta.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Come up a man. So that's just what it was
used to. Used to love knocking, knocking, the knocking, my
dogs blocks off. I went to col with I catch
Keenan in the slant, keen Ellen in the slant. I
need it, you know, I used to hit Stembreen everybody.
I need it. I'm gonna shay you like, yeah, yeah,
it ain't practice no more. I gotta take you to
the ground. Now. I love what I can see my friends.
(07:21):
I meet them, uh exclusively just for them. I need that.
But man, and that's that's crazy. I mean, uh, charges
Raiders play next Monday night in Vegas. Yeah yeah, Vegas
is starting to starting to turn that culture.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
So you so you know what, man, the Ralfrey is definitely.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Still there for sure. So different though so far. Hits
different than the San Diego Stadium and Vegas and Vegas.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
It's it's different, man, because you got all these like
new sets of fans, so they hatred. The dislike is
still there, but I don't know if that I don't
hare anymore. Yeah, that hatred I want, is there anymore?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Okay, okay, Hey, I'm gonna have to tune in because
I'll be watching. We used to.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
We used to, man, it was fights, so many fights
in the stands during the games that we would stop
on the I'm on the solid, I'm watching the fight
in the stands. So I don't know if it's that
level of hatred anymore.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Oh, come on, I doubt it is. So far. It
is different. Man, It's an event now, you know, it's
it's a place to be seen versus like, really I
feel like buying in. But maybe that's just because we
saw preseason. Maybe maybe a change your season we went
to we were so far last year. I was like, huh,
So it feels like, you know, the Dallas Cowboys stadium,
like the fans are there more a line on the
(08:35):
lines to be like, hey, I went to the game
more than like that's my team, you know, like, and
there's a difference in the pheling like you come you
come to the to the SATs game and it's generations
of cats like my grandpa took me the first game
and my daddy came. We got the shame shits ticket
ships nineteen teventy eight, right, man, and a bout in.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Well, let me ask you though, because I always you know,
because I still do a lot of stuff in the
Chargers and I'm always thinking, I'm like, dude, if I
got a chance of playing in the stadium, will come
out to this because Qualcom wasn't nothing like that in
San Diego. Qualcom was nothing like that for y'all, man,
when y'all walk in there, like, how how is how
is that? Playing in those stadiums, It's.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Easy, especially like especially when you come from playing with
like at the Superdome the season the season Superdome every week,
and like you that crowd noise is just like electric
and we're top. If we're not number one, we're number two.
Easily loudest stadiums in the in the league. Right when
everybody's bought in and they're they're going, that's rattling, especially
on defense because you're all in the field when it's
(09:35):
those times. So it's easily comparable to away games. It's crazy, right,
if you go to away game, it's silent one. The
office is on the field, so I'm not feeling anyways.
We get to the sidelines and then they start getting
loud like this is nice, like this is cute, but
you know, like it's not. I feel like it doesn't
really affect. We got speakers that can match this energy.
(10:00):
It's different, bro, when it's third down Saints versus Falcons
and you hear that crowd. There is no place that
has been close to being as loud as our stadium Seattle,
where they like, oh we've got the you know, we've
got the the stadium twelfth Man that funnels in towards
the field. Oh, Okays City, I hear you, brother, You
get me going in the good old Saint Nation Stadium. Yeah,
(10:23):
it's different. Everything else is like all right and we're rolling. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Despros is telling me how crazy it was out there playing.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
And y'all say, and he can he could be the
best comparison Philly Chargers Saints. You know, it's different. But
you know in terms of in terms of rushers, you've
seen what what past rush is getting paid these days.
We ain't gonna speak about it. We love to see it,
but what do you what do you think about the
guys this offseason, Miles gets paid, TJ gets paid, and
(10:52):
I'm like, n ain't the bar's been set so high?
And then Micah comes in with the hoe.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
There.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, Bro, he's you know, during a Sack summit, man,
like ding during the summer. When I was with you
guys in the Sack summer. It was cool for me, man,
because I'm I'm in a different you know, kind of
business stuff now, so I don't get a chance to
hang out with a lot of guys. I'll go doing
ota sometime, I'll spend a day to a training camp,
but I don't really get a chance to be out there.
But I saw, like being around y'all, how much the
(11:22):
game progressed, right, Like, the game is just progressed. And
I don't know if that's because the not more knowledge
is there or y'all had to progress because of the quarterbacks.
So I was out there, I was out there asking
more questions than I was, you know, really demonstrated for
the most part because the game has changed.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
And so you see some of these.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Guys like even now, Bro, I probably could have played
still until I was like thirty five, you know, like
thirty like I was, I probably still could have went
out there, like thirty five, thirty six. I was still
working with some of the guys on y'all season when
I was training, and I'll go do some MMA stuff
and I'll go back to training, but with a bunch
of guys.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
But I got out there.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Now, you know, seeing everybody just all see like them
young boys is out there doing the actual drills and
going through the whole process. He was like, nah, nah, bro,
you know what I'm saying that just to take off
the explosion. Guys now are more nimble, are more like
knowledgeable by using their hands and so you know, timing
and stuff and how they look at different like it's
now it's is more of a thinking man's game. Like
(12:24):
back when I was playing, I'll say, yo, if you
can't beat me up, if I get off the line
of scrimmage or or you get me, I'm a bull
rush you. I'm going side. That was That was the end.
That was the end game. Like you can get somebody there.
Now you gotta be more conscious about how you pass
for us rush lanes, rush lanes, and who are you
going against your quarterback?
Speaker 1 (12:44):
I don't worried about the fat guy in front of me,
the officer lineman. That the guy who can't touch his
toes as belly goes over his belt, I'm not worried
about him. I worry about that real athlete back there.
We just played Kyler Murray. That man is out there
giving real life video game juke moves. Two steps up,
reverse spin out, show me up, shake back, some hare,
squeeze through, create a creative play like I'm worried about
(13:07):
the Lamar Jackson some more. Even though your your lesser
mobile quarterbacks, your bow Nixons, whatever, they can still slide,
still slide that. But see that.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
That's what I was asking the camp, because I was like, man,
you either had back when I played you the had
either or you had a guy that could just run
the ball, or you had a guy who was gonna
stand the back like the statue.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
You can get them, and now you gotta worry about
boat man. So that that just all dull thread is
your is your minimum? Is your minimum?
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Now he don't take off a lot, but when he does,
he's still running four to seven. Oh he's he's a
slow one. Oh man, right, I mean he takes off,
you gotta watch out for Josh Allen he will run
through you, over you, and then he can also probably
match your speed, if not outrun yourick.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Bro Let me let me so you play long enough
when you start, when did that star happen? Who was
the first one O, My first super athlete was was
Cam Newton, and then right after him was Michael Vick.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Though you know so like Michael Vick was the bridge
of the old era of the new era where we
were like, man, it's Michael Vick. And I was like,
well that twenty twelve and I was like, dang, bro
I used to watch them Wether with the falcons. It's crazy.
This is like the Michael Vick and I had a
three piece off of them, and I was like, I
was all right, we hunting for real? You know. Cam
Newton was the first quarterback Like I hit and like
(14:25):
I thought, I smashed, and it like I bounced off
of him. He rolled out created like through a dot
down the I said, oh no, I said, yo, if
the quarterbacks are like this, I'm not gonna make it.
Like give me the Ben roethlisbergers. You know, six five.
He's gonna say he's two seventy, but come on, we
all know, yo. But he can't move like that, Like
he can't outrun you give me Tom Brady six five
(14:46):
six six, you know, stand in the pocket. He gets
the ball out quick, which irritates you. But once you
get them got it, you know you got the Pat
Mahomes Like as you're tackling him, he's doing these no
look slings and you know it' money. You know, the
Matthew Staffords, who was probably the least one of the
least mobile Quarterbackshi Many and Rogers, and they can still
sort of get out and maneuver in the pocket and
(15:07):
create these amazing talented throws like give me, give me
the guys that can't move it all.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
So you could pick your poison right now. And I
was looking at that man and now it was it
was dope.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
But you know, back to the guys that's really getting
paid right now, I thought about.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
I got wass giv me back out. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
So I was like probably when I was thirty thirty,
two thirty three, I actually was gonna go back and play.
I wasn gonna go back and play.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Like when I was like four years out, I was
gonna go back and and uh I was training already,
and so we were talking at teams.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
At that time, I was four years done.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
And what made me think that Because it was some
dudes coming off the bench making seven ten million.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
I said, hold on, what seven eight million? The most
I made in the year was five five and a half,
you know, in Buffalo in the year, So you got
to do this this not even getting in the game
making self. So I think, okay, hold on, that's that's
what I started thinking.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I said, I can go back and at least, at
bare minimum, give anybody, you know, eighteen or thirty players
a game, you know what I mean. I couldn't probably
play sixty like I did when when Ayden started doing
them then hurry up offenses and just just dumping down
the field the whole damn time. But I can go
and get you know, get twenty five thirty plays a game,
no problem at a high level.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
So that's what my head was.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
But I see this money now, man with Mica signs
for I said, yo, that that ain't even And I
know the game goes up every year, but you start
seeing those numbers bro for a pass rusher, I said, man.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
That's that's crazy to me. That's extremely crazy to me.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Yeah, we converting dreams. My son was like, Dad, I
can't wait to Uh, I can't wait to hit somebody.
I said, who do you want to hit? He's like
the quarterback like you. I said, hmm, I know. I said,
I don't want you to play football, but the hell
of a dream sign. And you see, after mikel gets
traded to the Packers, you saw Jerry Jones came out
(16:59):
and said, like, what do you say? So I'm like, yeah,
you know, uh, it was okay for us because like
you know, we're trying to we're trying. That doesn't help
us stop the run. Hey, bro, like you've been hyping
up this guy for three four years and I don't
do that. See.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
You know it's funny, man, because you know, now I'm
in a position where I'm running a company and so
i'd be looking so now it's like I understand, you
know some of the fighters and all the you know
the business side of stuff and where they coming from,
Like you got to get your money, you got to
get paid.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I look at Jerry and I know that people gonna
say a lot because Micah is one of these dudes
like you. There's not gonna be another Micah parties for
ten years, Like, you're not gonna see somebody like that
with that explosion.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
It can turn a corner. You can line up in
an eight gap, be gap, bring around the corner. I mean,
he could do everything.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
So you're not getting you getting one of those guys
of that of that color, but like every ten years.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
But in Jerry's standpoint, I'm.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Looking at all, right, cool, what if one of these
guys he drafts, you know, turn out pose something and
not even not even close to Michael Parsons. But you
get an other dude that's on the on the borderline
of a Pro Bowl guy in that third first round
pick they acquired or whatever it is. You get two
second round guys that end up being so now you
got a complete team. But right now you can't justify
(18:12):
it because this dude good to get on the field,
probably don't even know all the damn plays yet.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
You know, I'm saying he knows you know some of.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
The lingo, right, but you don't really know the plays
like that pure hustle production. That said, just pure hustle production.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Get on the field and chase somebody from behind like
a damn gazelle, you know what I mean. And so
right now, it's looking bad for Jerry, But give it
three four years that one of those draft picks or
two of those draft picks end up being something that
he I mean, he could be right right.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
I mean he also got Kenny Clark, who's a who's
a mega run stopper, you know, push the pocket guy.
In exchange, he got what two first rounders, So like
you can you can hopefully justifight in three years, but
you can't just fight now. Down. Donas is down bad
right now? No, they lost it right now? What counter year?
They lost Luca from from the Mouse and you lose
Michael Parsons for the Cowboys, like Dallas is Dallas is
(19:01):
like God, what else do you want from bro Dallas?
Dallas taking the al all the way around. But they
can be a positive. Maybe they are better on the
floor without Luca. Maybe maybe they are better stopping the
run without Micah. But do they do they have that
that playmaker they can rely on? Now, okay, you got
somebody step up? Sure, sure you know that is to
(19:24):
be determined. I think you're two or three years out
from determining if it's the worst trade or a good one.
Who do you think is the best pass dresser in
the game right now. Pure you know, it's it's crazy, man, because.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
You know I've watched Nick Nick, you know, watched some
of these guys, Nick Bosa, And I'm talking about like
the yellow guys who because I don't I don't really
say they established guys right because they're y'all, like, your
career is is set, what you've done, your body of work,
you've already you complete it to being who you are.
And I look at I look at some of the
other guys as planning it's going play six, seven, eight
(20:01):
more years or whatever, being bro.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I want to yeah, please don't throw me in that category.
Oh no, but I'm six more years. My wife, my
wife will hate me.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Oh dude, listen, we know, we know what they do
if you play too long. It takes a lot to
be who you are now. And she's like, hey, eventually
I need you to be mine.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Okay, I got you, baby.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
You know you go to Brazil, Brazilian JIUJITSI coach, you
played a couple of six more years.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
You can happen, now, Okay, happen.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
But so I mean looking at looking at Miles though
the other day, and this this was my thing always
with Myles, I always felt like looking at Hi when
I met him at Jarvis Landry's charity softball event. This
is like in twenty eighteen or nineteen or something somewhere
around there. And now he walked in the room. I said, Yo,
(20:56):
this dude looks this is crazy. And I'm you know,
I'm not a small dude myself as a pass rusher,
and I'm looking at him. I say, yo, this is crazy,
and people look at me like I was crazy. I'm
looking at him like no, no, this is crazy, right.
And my thing with him was is just always having
that switch. I said, dude, it one day when he
figure out how to keep this foot of the gas,
I don't know how somebody gonna block him because he's
(21:17):
too big, too strong, too fast, is nimble, can turn
a corner, use his hands, duck under you at that
size at sixty five six, you know, sixty six whatever,
he is two seventy two seventy five and can move
and got fast twitching. I said, if he if he
decides to turn it on, there's nobody gonna be able
to do anything with them. So these last two years,
man like this for the first time in his career
(21:38):
where I've seen him trail somebody from the backside and
not give up on plates, you know, like that second effort,
that third effort.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Right now, what he did to Joe Bird the other day.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Is the first time probably says Hamlet that I prayed
for some you know what I'm saying for somebody. Sin's
what happened to Hamlet, right bro, I said, Yo, he
out like he's out. You know, he came down as
the stunt down the middle and I don't know if
they ran a tax or exit or something like that.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
He can he got a clean shot on the clean shot,
and I was so I said, oh.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
That's that's the seat. That's the seat for the for
the Bengals.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Right.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
But just looking at that dude, that's how versatile he is.
And then you can line them up if you want
to put them in a three right like I created
a why three real mismatch. That's where that's where you
actually have fun.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
If you got an edge that can get off the ball,
hear that out, that's where you start to have real
If you line up on a tackle and you're from
like you're almost lined up all you're lined up on
a guard and you're almost on the tackle. Are you out?
All this space?
Speaker 5 (22:35):
And guards guards are massive hitting the videos. They're not
used to they're not used to ice on now. Yeah,
if there's somebody that can move right there. They they
used to doing everything in the box. Everything in the
box for them. They got stick you in the frame.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
That's it. Nah, big fella come out to this island.
Oh you, oh, you big hull out there by myself myself. Hey,
they start sweating preaching. Now, what's the count? Big feelings?
You know what the count is. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I think I think him right now, only only because
he's last These last two years, man, I've seen him
make a jump and really really his effort, his effort,
his efforts changed now. So I think he got something
something click with him. That in this coach who I
played with, Jock and he's coaching I played with. I
played with Joss and his D line coach, and he
(23:27):
called me one time on FaceTime and was like, man, listen.
When he first got there, he said, dude, if Miles
get this motor like you had, he's better than you.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
And I'm like, shut up. I said, Yo, you don't
gotta throw shots already. I was like, bro, you don't
gotta throw shots. You could just leave it as he
gonna be a lot better, right, He's gonna be all
right now, he's gonna be better than you, all right.
But yeah, he was right, man, because he just got
this thing with him over these last two years where
he was he's capable of just keeping the gas from
keep it full of the pedal, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Shout out to real defensive line, which is that actually
understand the game and then can help aggress their players.
And like you see, you see how Max Crosby's taking
off over the last couple of years. He's in my
top top tier two. You look at you look at
Trey Hendrickson and what he's done. He's led the league
in sacks the last two years. I'm just gonna insert
Trey Hendrickson, which you know, I don't know how the
Bengals didn't just extend him because the price is only
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gonna keep going up at that.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
So I never understood that about teams, right, so you
know if that's gonna be your guy or not. And
if you know that that's not gonna be a guy,
and go ahead and make a move now because he
go out and get something double digits again.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
He gets ten, he'll have forty five and three years.
You saw what Michael just got, so like, that'll be
the low end. Like, so you if he and you
knew that two years ago, when he s works lock
him in. If that's your guy, if he does everything
the right way, he works out, he leads a team,
he's in the community, he treats his family well, he
treats his teammates well, he's your guy. You're like, man,
(24:56):
this is such a great find. Two years in they're like, man,
we could have made a better sign. And then Trey Henderson,
you signed him that day, the moment his guaranteed get
close to running out. That's it. All guys want is
guaranteed money. Like hey, hey, get me good. It's it's
safe to the year. Say at minimum, you could have
signed them for thirty for the next three ain't even
(25:18):
locked in. But now you're looking at this number. Now,
Jerry Jones could have signed Michael after you, after your
after your your rookie contract. You have two ten plus
SAX seasons, and you see the motor you got. I'm like, hey, bro,
so you want this little thirty, like we'll make you
thirty two. You know, keep you relative at the time.
At the time, you'll probably take it right, take it
(25:39):
because it saved you fifty years. Or now you've traded them,
So now you're missing a huge piece of defense that
you don't know if you can replace. Now. You you
got you know, Peyton Turner, you got Kenny Clark and
you but you let Tank Lawrence walk. Can you let
market the Marcus get traded Mia, Mike could get traded.
I mean, you know, that's why I'm glad. I'm saying
(25:59):
I don't have to worry about these issues. On defense side.
We got tomorrow. Chase Young's gonna be healthy soon, called Grannison.
My edge is great. My interior line Brandons Day's came
in and you've seen what he's done, you know over
the years defensive wise. Look, I love our defense and
what we can be and our offense is growing. Anyways,
Uh yeah, you know, I see I seen a video
(26:19):
of you training, bro, So what you what's your weighing? Now?
What did you play at your what your at your
at your peak? You was what like two fifty to
fifty five?
Speaker 3 (26:27):
I played around two sixty five and I used to
walk around in the off season like too a little
over to seventy.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
No, what is is different now? Man?
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Because back when I was probably lifting a bunch of
weights and you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Whatever, So I slimmed up. Yeah you're you're forty now,
so you're like to thirty five.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Yeah, yeah, I mean a lot of this do with
the mm A trainer though, So I saw getting the
MMA Jay Glades over the Fox Sports.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I grew up so my uncle's with professional boxes and
so I grew up boxing in PC County, Maryland anyway,
Washingt DC area, and so we just grew up naturally boxing.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
So one day I'm just hit the mit in the
gym and Jay look over like, oh shit, you can box?
I said, yeah, you know my uncle's box. I was
with him alive or whatever. I think you should try
him in May. It'll help you out in football. So
I'm like, all right, cool, no problem. Jay sends me
a text to a gym said meet me here tomorrow,
and so I go to this gym off off LaBrea
(27:19):
in LA. I walk in the gym and Jay Glazer's
right here to my right, and then Randy Coutour is
on my left.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
So I'm looking at and I'm a big inn May
fan at the time, so I know exactly who Randy
Goatour was.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
He had just won a title at like forty one,
forty two years old, right, And so I walk in.
I'm looking at Jay, I'm looking at Randy. I'm looking
at j And I said, Jay, like, I hope you
ain't playing on me fighting Randy today.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
That ain't happening. You know, I'm not you know what I.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Mean, I'm not getting in there with Randy. And so
he said, no, man, You'll get in there and do
a lot of hand in hand combat, a lot of
pumbling groundword.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Be it to open up your hips. And Bro, we
did a warm up for fifteen minutes and I was gassed.
That's all anyways, Well, mmm, a different for training is different,
go back to wrestling days. He went in there.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
By the time I was thirty minutes into this workout.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Bro, I'm in there. He's laying on me. I'm trying
to get up. He keep taking me to the ground,
take me to the ground. I'm looking up in the
sky hoping that clock run out because I'm seeing the light.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I'm like, not for real. Yeah, I said the light.
I'm seeing the light because I can't breathe. He smothered me.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
His pressures is crazy. And so we got down the
workout and I just walked out feel and defeated. I
was just like, man, I got my ass kicked today.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
I was tired. I looked terrible.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
I text Randy because I got his dember on the
way at the door, I said, what time are you
working out tomorrow?
Speaker 2 (28:37):
I went down, back down and drove back back down
in San Diego. Do my because you know we had
the y y'all still have the all season workout?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Oh yeah, yeah put jo Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
So I went down and did my workout, was saying Diego,
and I drove back to LA because I was furious,
you know, just that that competition in us we wanted
to get I wanted some get back, you know right,
you know I went up there.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
I started training with him the rest of it all
season and then and tooothed, I was and six. I
came out and led led the league of sacks because
I got really good to use my hands. I was
I was terrible to use my hands before. And so
that's why I'm talking to a lot of a lot
of the younger guys that man. And that's one thing
you do too, man, like we when you come and
use your hands. You might not put your put yourself
up there this past rush category with some of these
(29:17):
other guys. Man, but you have always been great using
your hands.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
I wasn't. I had to learn that.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
That didn't come natural for me because I played off
the ball a lot and I wasn't really I wasn't
really going to use my hands. But when I picked
that up, man, it changed everything that I was doing.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Right. I mean, shoot, you over there training training with
other guys. Have you ever thought about training you know,
the next next pantheon, the Darius Robinson's, you know, the
the guys around you out there out there in LA.
You know whoever these young bucks from Maryland, Virginia. You know,
there's always always in next to you or the you
know Chase young look alike boys, boys be coming from
from ball Preacher County. Okay, we get it. You're a
(29:53):
swoll cat. No, we get it. You swollen light skin, No,
we get that. Yeah, it's funny. Man, Chase.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
I used to watch him, says he was like a
freshman in high school.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
My my my head coach in high school was his gym,
was his teacher when his school teacher in high school.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
And so he would always come back and tell me
about this kid, Chase Yeah, you know that he had
when he was when he was younger, And I was like,
who He said, man, Chase Young.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
You know this this kid. So he was talking about
him for years. This was and this was after.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
This was after I left and graduated. But he would
always talking about this kid, Chase Young. So I didn't
even know how good he was until he got to
end up on Ohio State, you know what I mean.
But he was I know he had it had I
think he had a knee injury, right, he was coming back.
But Dugan Ball, he can he can go.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Yeah, I mean yeah, especially when you said, oh I'll stay.
He put together one of the most most tantalizing, most
intriguing defensive end season you could ever have. But it
was went crazy that one year got him to number
two over row. You know, he first rounders US first
rounders and you know your top your top end of
the first rounders. Oh man, I'm just saying, bro, you
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came out to he came out to pass or something.
And I was like, I was like, yo, you should
probably start training some cats. You know you you had
so much input in there. I was like, it's in you,
like you. I don't think. I don't think that competitive
nature that we have as athletes ever leaves us. And
so it's almost great to have like a tutelage to something.
You know you you you funded all the lights out
(31:22):
into the m M A world. And I've we've been
watching sign him up or don't sign him up for
you know, five six seven years not ten fifteen here,
it's been a while. I remember, I remember you were
still playing talking about it and I was like, ain't
no way. I was like, nah, and yeah, no, you've
you've done that. But you catch you a protege a bro,
you might you might be able to turn top Robinson
(31:43):
into the next huh you know what man and chopped
you know, out of pas State.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
He was.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
He was another young cat that I was looking at
that I think he's gonna be really good. He needs
to get that on his hands and stuff like that.
I didn't really have that bug until I was out
there with y'all. I did you know what I'm saying, Like,
I'll go out there. But even when I go and
do stuff with the charters or do whatever, it's always
with you know, the ownership the marketing apartment.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
And that's that's being respectful other people's faces. Man, Like,
whatever you need for me, I'm here for you. No.
Like you get out there, you really start. You got
to talking to those kids, and the kids like, hell you,
I'm like you Sean Marryman. Yeah, it's crazy, man.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I didn't really you know, I didn't really have that
bug before until I was out there with y'all. Because
you're right, man, you get one of these younger guys
a chop Robson or some some younger kid who really
take in you know what you what you're teaching them,
and then it gets fun for you, Like it gets fun.
Like being back out there around there with all the guys.
I was like, man, I missed the ship. You know,
(32:41):
I didn't have that before. You know, I pop out
to a Chargers came all day, like when Joey Boston
all them boys were younger, and Melvin Ingram when they
were younger. I had them and I go out there
for a day or two and I'm like, okay, I'm
going back to my business and do all the stuff
that I'm doing.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
But when I was out there with y'all, I was like,
holy shit, you know what I'm saying, because it was
a lot.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
It was every everybody. It was all pass fush. So
for me, it's like walking back into a candy facility.
I'm like, dude, look at it. But man, if he.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Started putting his hands here like he can bend, he
could turn the corner.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
So I thought about it. Man.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
I've been thinking about a lot since I was out
there with y'all, So it's definitely possible.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Absolutely, Oh man. I mean it's just I love I
love doing it. I've been doing it since I got
to the league. I think think about my draft class
twenty eleven used to be like the auld Smith. It
used to be Von Miller early twenty eleven twelve, Like,
hey man, what you saw when you were about to
play them next week? What you all you gotta do
is set up this ben like you know now even
older no like Klais Campbell hit me up or whoever
(33:38):
like you know that Malcolm Rose be like, man, man,
I just know what what tip you head. I'm gonna
give it everything too. I'm snitching like that. Hey, they're
Tucker right there. This is what I saw and it
is how I got him. I'm snitching. I was bro.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
I was laughing when y'all was talking because we never
shared information like that. Yeah, back in my time, it
was like you wanted to be the sactly you want
to be. Young boys is like this give you the hey, bro,
this hey. I want you to have whatever I can
give you because I don't think you can do what
I can do. And that's that's either the confidence or
the borderline arrogance that I have. But I want I
(34:12):
want every pass russuer to win. I want us all
to beat the dult like I treat Officer Lineman his ops.
The only people I won't give up is my people.
I'd be like, I'll be like Camraun and paid it for.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
I ain't gonna give nobody up from you, because I'll
give you a couple of DC cats like I ain't
gonna give you the Saints office lineup. But then joker's
over there, Hey at Lant office line. This is what
I got on x x x x x X why
and this is where the quarterback likes to hike foot
ball by the way this, this is the time he
likes you to do. And what else I got on you? Like,
I'm gonna give it up because why I love to
see defense ride. I love it as long as they
(34:44):
ain't playing us. I love it. Now. If you ask
me about either one of my boys, I'm like, look, man,
I'm not gonna lie. They're the Codis mugs I've ever seen.
They ain't got no flaws. Yeah, no, I ain't got
no wings since you. Yeah, I watched the film. I
don't really see nothing on them. I don't see nothing
on them. But all right, man, how big do you
think lights Out can get? Because I remember when you were,
(35:06):
like you were doing those the tours like you. I
think I went to a lights Out back in like
fifteen fourteen, fifteen sixteen, but it was like the underground stuff.
It felt. It felt so surreal. Yeah, you know, it's crazy, man.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
So when you know when I got when I retired,
I went straight into TV and NFL Network, Fox Sports, ESPN.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
I was at them.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
I was still to launcher the WW network. So I
really started to understand like the TV business.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Like before it started turning into streaming, you know.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
And so there was like a combination of being able
to understand TV understand like how to who pays the
bills the commercials, so when you on there.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
I remember when Draft Kings first came out and I was.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
At Fox Sports and I'm already getting paid well by
Fox Sports, as you know, coming in three four days
a week, and then they would ask me to stop
off to the side and Draft Kings would pay me
like a couple grand for like a thirty second read,
and I was just thinking, like, hold on, they paying
this kind of money to them, what are they you know,
what are they getting well if they're paying me that,
(36:04):
you know, three four thousand dollars thirty second read. So
I started really like, okay, it's some money in this thing.
Like I just wanted to I wanted to figure out
where that money was. And so when I launched Lights
Out Extrage Fighting, we already know the UFC is the
big dogs, but that's like, so we know if we
can be in that circle of being the big dogs
for the UFC is like okay, they got the best
up and coming talent.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
I feel like it was a market there for it.
So that's what we are.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
You know, we got a big fight coming up September
twenty at then Long Beach Lights out of Strange Fighting
twenty seven. We got two dudes in this car, Tyre
our Fortune. Jake Babying is all this car too, Ronardo,
We got Scott Flores.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
We have.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
We got some of these next up and coming guys
in the US. They're probably a couple of fights away,
right the US SEA is like, okay, cool, come on
up here. So we got in their contracts. They can
get out of contract with us if they was looking
to go to UFC, which we want.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
You know what I mean, I hope, I hope my
motown does buy out the come on get them. Yeah,
you know it's I look at it like man like,
you know, I drink. I drink coke.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
You know what I'm saying. I'm a coke drinker. But
then again there's pepsi Ot. People love pepsi people love Sprite.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
These are also big companies, and so my thing is
if I can introduce enough technologies, which we got a
lot of technology coming, and I can keep growing our
distribution hopefully the top of twenty twenty six, we got
a really really big TV deal. We're going out like
massive one, and so if I can continue to doing that,
then we can be big in our own outright without
actually having to go out worry about computer the UFC,
(37:31):
because we don't want you to.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
We want to be bagging what we're doing that makes
us a success. You know, That's what the whole goal
of this thing is.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
I say, more power to you, because, like I said,
I've been I've been a fan of the game, and
then how you turn lights out of it from a
light switch in high school to the lights out extreme
fighting now, I mean it's you. We think about the
fighting world. In my mind, of course, UFC is like
the NFL, but you still got you, you know, the XFL,
which is now you guys. You know, I'm sure there's
there's been a tour or something else similar to it.
(38:01):
Bere knuckle fighting as entered the Fray power Slap that's
it's actually a good time. Power slapp is fake. But
like nah that that next up level is pretty much
you guys, Yes now for sure will be that. Yeah,
I love it. I hope you continue growing. Go go
get all that money on y'all. Hey, but I appreciate
you tapping in the boss. I mean, it's it's off
(38:23):
the edge with the podcasts with me your host Cam Jordan.
But it couldn't be anything without guys like you, Sean
come back, sharing a little knowledge, have a little fun
with me.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
There's been nothing but a blessing having you on.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Appreciated, man, appreciate it. I'll see y'all again this this summer.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Yes, sir, at the Past Fresh Summit. Come on, it'll
be a third annuals of me Max meet Max, Crosby
von Miller altogether hosting that joint. But we got legends
that come through. We got the young guys come through.
One of these days, these Watt brothers are gonna have
to come through and share some of their sauce. Like
we get it. They're they're the old regime. I don't
(38:58):
know what bone mayo, broth I've been drinking. I can't
help you with that. No, that's not here. Come on, man,
just just let's let'spprove the game together. One passers shout
of time. Appreciate you, Sean Merrick, Big Doug lights out
on the forearm with the switch, turn it into a
whole lights out extreme fighting. I mean, come on, it's
(39:22):
that next wave now. And I just love talking football.
Love that he was able to come to our our
SAX summit with me. Max Vaughn. We've talked about it,
like I saw the the way his eyes lit up
as he was talking to other guys, young guys, rookiees
coming in, you know, me him just rapping about swipes
and how we how we come across the past or
(39:42):
how we attack quarterbacks. It's a thing of beauty. Anyways,
thank you, Tell your friends, tell everybody else, Tell anybody
you can about where to find our podcast in the
iHeart app or wherever you get your podcasts, and please
watch it on the NFL YouTube channel. I'm telling you,
this was exciting. Everything that I want to do I do.
I do it for I do it for the cause
past rushing baby. But you know what, it's just been
(40:04):
so awesome to see the way he's taking something that
from his community into something a business model, and just
the way that he touched Maryland to San Diego. Man.
You love when somebody has an impact on the community.
We talked about community. I just like, I know that
we lost Sunday and I'm not excited about it, but
I still go to these school visits and now my
(40:24):
school visit this week. I mean I ran into you know,
I went to a super first school off on the
West Bank. I looked at the I looked at the
title and I couldn't even say it three times fast
if I tried. But I mean, if I think about
sharpernay Reu Elementary Middle School, you know, it was an
awesome event being able to talk to these kids start
off with pe and just talking about sports, how we lost,
(40:48):
whatever it was. It sort of helps process. We go
through these classrooms and I'm talking about, you know how
I went to the University California, Berkeley, which is a
number of public school in the nation. However, I was
able to get the conference I needed through the books
that I've read, through the to the history lessons that
I used to love that transferred over to me being
an undergrad legal studies major. Uh, and I had dreams
and aspirations toil football commandeered and I was like, yeah,
(41:10):
I'm going I'm going to u C. Berkeley, I'm going
to the NFL. I'm going to places with the Saints.
Uh to uh, just inspiring that knowledge. But I walked
into one particular classroom and missus t I'm gonna leave
it at missus t she as soon as I hit
the door, we made contact. As she started erupting, she
was looked at me, and I looked at her, and
I knew we had a Saints connection. And she ran
(41:30):
up and she got a she gotta excited. She was, Uh,
she was overcome with emotion. And that just tells you
a little bit about the Saints and their fan base.
Like it's real. The connection that we have is like this,
(41:51):
said Padac with Twins film, Like she saw me, she
was just like I was just talking about, you know
about how she had one of the Saints player to
come to a classroom. And there I am on a
Monday morning, bodies sore, voice gone from screaming, from cheering
and fighting to get it back, and I'm coming to
her class and she was appreciative, and I was just
(42:12):
I was just so overwhelmed with being appreciated and being
appreciative for her because not only is she getting up
every day dealing with twenty five kids a classroom and
she helping mold our youth, but she still has that
love for the Saints. Still. She ended up saying, like,
you know how much she loves the Saints, how much.
She has been a fan of the Saints for so long,
and I'm just overly appreciative of every time I walk
(42:34):
into a classroom, not only the kids are being receptives
a message, but the teachers are being receptive and appreciative.
Because we put our bodies on the line each and
every Sunday. We put our bodies on line each and
every day we go to practice. You never know when
it could be in the next play, could be a
last play. But the way we give our energy, the
way we give our time, the way we try and
give back to the community as football players. And it's tough,
(42:55):
it's tiring, and yet it's so rewarding when you walk
into a classroom like that. So mssus t over there
at uh charby nay are you I'm not even sure
if I'm saying that rel relux. I'm gonna say it's
for you as a French. But it's such a blessing
to be a blessing. On that note, appreciate y'all. Tune
in again wherever you get your your your podcast. iHeart
(43:18):
app you talk about you know, Apple podcasts. Wherever you
can find it off the edge with me your host
Cam Jordan. Appreciate your God, bless to the Niners.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
We go
Welcome on in this off edge me, your host Cam
Jordan's Ah, I appreciate y'all for tuning in. We didn't
catch a win this past week, but it's all right.
We're moving forward. I'm already looking forward to the San
Francisco forty nine ers, where they may have some trouble
in their health depth chart coming up anyway, So like,
I like that for us. They got to flip up
the page the last couple of days, watch the film,
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get after it. And now we're tuning in to the Niners,
Bang Bang Niner Gang. They gotta go down the Saints
way either way. I've got a special guest coming in.
We're talking about a guy who really started like a
memorable iconic SAX celebration as an edge guy, as a
defensive end. You know about the Jack Cameron now he
used to love that joint and you know with without
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further adude talking about San Diego charge is great legend.
Sean Merriman University of Maryland product. I appreciate you coming in,
Big Dug. Appreciate it man. Thanks having me. Yeah, Bro,
Like I mean I just think about you know, just
just earlier playing days, Bro, you you was you was
jacked the way back there, so it only made sense
to come up with a celebration. Where'd the celebration come from?
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Was that? Was that something you brought from University of Maryland?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
It was before then actually, So in high school, I
end up knocking your four kids out, you know, my
sophomore year, and I went I actually go end up
going home that day and asking, well it was at
that that school. The next day on Monday when we
went to school, and I went home and asked my
mom because everybody just called me lights out, like you
knock those kids lights out?
Speaker 1 (01:33):
And I didn't, you know, it was funny.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I didn't really expect for the cats like that, you know,
because when I went to school, it's like, yo, what's up?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Lights It caught on that fast.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I went home and this like before social media, before
like all that your YouTube, So it wasn't like out
there like it was just in school. I went home
and I asked my mom. It's like, yo, can I
get a lights out tattoo or switch on my right
fore arm? Everybody called me lights It's gonna be a thing.
One day she looked at me and she was like, boy,
you get the hell out the wrong right, just like that,
and I was like, okay. So every day for two
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weeks I bothered. I went home after school, Mom, can
I get this tattoo? Can I get this tattoo? She
ended up, let me get it.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
But it went to my my freshman year in Maryland,
got tattoo at sixteen.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Let me.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
She took me to a tattoo of sixteen. And so
now my son asked for one at fifteen sixteen. So
I got to bite the bullet hit right. But now, man,
on my freshman year, we played Georgia Tech on ESPN
and actually this hit is on YouTube and Watkins.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Whyever, she was going across the middle and I was
dropping the coverage.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I had a big hit.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
It was my first time pointing to the tattoo, and
so I didn't really yeah, I didn't really expect it,
and then I got hyped up. I just started kind
of jumping up it down a little bit, as if
I'm going to the sideline. The crowd got louder, and
so that's where the whole thing started. Man, I was like,
I can't do it in college, but you're gonna get
flagged back then.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
So when I got to the pros man.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
It was on. Yeah, that's truly truly iconic. Huge Jared
Allen before they made him not that job like this,
there's a there's a funeral.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Man.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
It gets a side where you see other kids do
your stuff like some people like, man, I can't believe
you did your SAX celebration. I love when somebody come
up and hit mine. I'm like, hey need respect, Hey
me what you own?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
And you know what, man, the thing is when you're
a defensive player too, because you know when I was
a kid, I was.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
In the backyard.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
You know, I had the the the head band around
my neck like Dion and you do Dig Prime, you
know Prime's dance, and so you know as a kid,
when other kids do that, man, it's like that's a big,
big sign of respect.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Man. That's why I love it the most. Absolutely immlation
is is the biggest sign of flattery. You know what
I'm saying, Like, let's allude to all the greats out there,
which you know comes me out of SAX celebrations. Take
me into you know, your rivalries, because you know the
Saints got a rivalry with uh, the trash Land of Falcons,
the Falcons, the failed cons. You know, uh, but y'all,
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y'all should have got a story rivalry somehow with the Raiders.
Seemed like I'm not gonna lie. Raiders and charge for
some reason beef a lot, which but the Nighters and
Raiders beef a lot too. So like I'm like, how
many beats can you have in lead? I'm always I'm
always on the verse of like you can only hate
one person, dude.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
So I didn't know when I got there my year
how stone that beef was. And then Marty Schaanenhammer was there.
And so Marty remember he was at Kansas City, yep.
And so you know, going through the week, we had
regular practice. Week, we had regular games, and then the
practice was hard because Marty Shaanhammer he was he was
tough all the time.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
And that first Wednesday of Raider Week, you start seeing
it like this whole pace everything changed. The guys are
taking each other to the ground. I'm like, what the
what's going on? You know, I'm trying. I'm cracked back
in practice, bro crackback block. It was wild.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
And then I just saw the intensity of Marty and
so like Marty put that put that in us to
really hate the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
So I understood that week what raided week was.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
It was just a different kind of rouperry Man, where
I was like, dude, this is this is nothing I
seen in previous previous weeks. Because the NFL is already fast.
Martins a tough coach, it's already a physical.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Practice, but now you got guys lining up with you know,
on the five yard line full go.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
During the season. So it was just it was a
different kind of time, man, Broun. You know when that
was happening, mm hmmmm. The coach set the tone and
you just falling in. You got to the game. It
was like it's you. I mean, is is there a
moment or play between that? You know? Those charges raided
games that like stood out like yeah, I hate y'all. Yeah, man.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
And in O six, matter of fact, because I think
I had like three or three or four sacks against him,
it was Monday night football and I remember going into
the stadium and it was a bunch of fans blocking
us from going in and it was throwing stuff at
the bus. So we had the police, had to be
doubled up, had to escort us in. And so I
was like, this is crazy. You going into the black hole,
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and so people don't understand kind of the rivalry between
the fan base, like the Chargers fans hate the Raiders
fan vice. Like it starts with the fans and then
it just kind of trickled down to US.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Coaches front office.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Play calling was different, you know, having the tight end
the wire sheep going in motion, crack block in the
d N.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
It was like it was a real hatred there that
I didn't know, you know, my rookie year, but by
six I already knew what time it was. So I
end up getting you know, three or four sacks on
one in the football and bro, when I tell you,
like I had a few hundred text messages after that game,
you know, my fault was blowing up, like those are
the ones you miss for everybody watching it on the
Sunday night or Monday night football where everybody's like, you.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Know, you go, life shine the brightest, absolutely crazy, come
on in you you catching you catching love and hate
at the same time. How are you gonna do my
dogs like that? You know, that's the way we put
on for the city, absolutely because you got thy.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Two we got you know, we still got boys and
the other team Now for those full coulters you hate,
you don't care. You'll go through the charity events only
all season. You know, after the game, you'll shake hands whatever.
But those full coarters, it don't even matter. They got
on a different colored element and their head gotta.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Come up a man. So that's just what it was
used to. Used to love knocking, knocking, the knocking, my
dogs blocks off. I went to col with I catch
Keenan in the slant, keen Ellen in the slant. I
need it, you know, I used to hit Stembreen everybody.
I need it. I'm gonna shay you like, yeah, yeah,
it ain't practice no more. I gotta take you to
the ground. Now. I love what I can see my friends.
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I meet them, uh exclusively just for them. I need that.
But man, and that's that's crazy. I mean, uh, charges
Raiders play next Monday night in Vegas. Yeah yeah, Vegas
is starting to starting to turn that culture.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
So you so you know what, man, the Ralfrey is definitely.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Still there for sure. So different though so far. Hits
different than the San Diego Stadium and Vegas and Vegas.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
It's it's different, man, because you got all these like
new sets of fans, so they hatred. The dislike is
still there, but I don't know if that I don't
hare anymore. Yeah, that hatred I want, is there anymore?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Okay, okay, Hey, I'm gonna have to tune in because
I'll be watching. We used to.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
We used to, man, it was fights, so many fights
in the stands during the games that we would stop
on the I'm on the solid, I'm watching the fight
in the stands. So I don't know if it's that
level of hatred anymore.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Oh, come on, I doubt it is. So far. It
is different. Man, It's an event now, you know, it's
it's a place to be seen versus like, really I
feel like buying in. But maybe that's just because we
saw preseason. Maybe maybe a change your season we went
to we were so far last year. I was like, huh,
So it feels like, you know, the Dallas Cowboys stadium,
like the fans are there more a line on the
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lines to be like, hey, I went to the game
more than like that's my team, you know, like, and
there's a difference in the pheling like you come you
come to the to the SATs game and it's generations
of cats like my grandpa took me the first game
and my daddy came. We got the shame shits ticket
ships nineteen teventy eight, right, man, and a bout in.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Well, let me ask you though, because I always you know,
because I still do a lot of stuff in the
Chargers and I'm always thinking, I'm like, dude, if I
got a chance of playing in the stadium, will come
out to this because Qualcom wasn't nothing like that in
San Diego. Qualcom was nothing like that for y'all, man,
when y'all walk in there, like, how how is how
is that? Playing in those stadiums, It's.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Easy, especially like especially when you come from playing with
like at the Superdome the season the season Superdome every week,
and like you that crowd noise is just like electric
and we're top. If we're not number one, we're number two.
Easily loudest stadiums in the in the league. Right when
everybody's bought in and they're they're going, that's rattling, especially
on defense because you're all in the field when it's
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those times. So it's easily comparable to away games. It's crazy, right,
if you go to away game, it's silent one. The
office is on the field, so I'm not feeling anyways.
We get to the sidelines and then they start getting
loud like this is nice, like this is cute, but
you know, like it's not. I feel like it doesn't
really affect. We got speakers that can match this energy.
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It's different, bro, when it's third down Saints versus Falcons
and you hear that crowd. There is no place that
has been close to being as loud as our stadium Seattle,
where they like, oh we've got the you know, we've
got the the stadium twelfth Man that funnels in towards
the field. Oh, Okays City, I hear you, brother, You
get me going in the good old Saint Nation Stadium. Yeah,
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it's different. Everything else is like all right and we're rolling. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Despros is telling me how crazy it was out there playing.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
And y'all say, and he can he could be the
best comparison Philly Chargers Saints. You know, it's different. But
you know in terms of in terms of rushers, you've
seen what what past rush is getting paid these days.
We ain't gonna speak about it. We love to see it,
but what do you what do you think about the
guys this offseason, Miles gets paid, TJ gets paid, and
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I'm like, n ain't the bar's been set so high?
And then Micah comes in with the hoe.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
There.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, Bro, he's you know, during a Sack summit, man,
like ding during the summer. When I was with you
guys in the Sack summer. It was cool for me, man,
because I'm I'm in a different you know, kind of
business stuff now, so I don't get a chance to
hang out with a lot of guys. I'll go doing
ota sometime, I'll spend a day to a training camp,
but I don't really get a chance to be out there.
But I saw, like being around y'all, how much the
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game progressed, right, Like, the game is just progressed. And
I don't know if that's because the not more knowledge
is there or y'all had to progress because of the quarterbacks.
So I was out there, I was out there asking
more questions than I was, you know, really demonstrated for
the most part because the game has changed.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
And so you see some of these.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Guys like even now, Bro, I probably could have played
still until I was like thirty five, you know, like
thirty like I was, I probably still could have went
out there, like thirty five, thirty six. I was still
working with some of the guys on y'all season when
I was training, and I'll go do some MMA stuff
and I'll go back to training, but with a bunch
of guys.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
But I got out there.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Now, you know, seeing everybody just all see like them
young boys is out there doing the actual drills and
going through the whole process. He was like, nah, nah, bro,
you know what I'm saying that just to take off
the explosion. Guys now are more nimble, are more like
knowledgeable by using their hands and so you know, timing
and stuff and how they look at different like it's
now it's is more of a thinking man's game. Like
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back when I was playing, I'll say, yo, if you
can't beat me up, if I get off the line
of scrimmage or or you get me, I'm a bull
rush you. I'm going side. That was That was the end.
That was the end game. Like you can get somebody there.
Now you gotta be more conscious about how you pass
for us rush lanes, rush lanes, and who are you
going against your quarterback?
Speaker 1 (12:44):
I don't worried about the fat guy in front of me,
the officer lineman. That the guy who can't touch his
toes as belly goes over his belt, I'm not worried
about him. I worry about that real athlete back there.
We just played Kyler Murray. That man is out there
giving real life video game juke moves. Two steps up,
reverse spin out, show me up, shake back, some hare,
squeeze through, create a creative play like I'm worried about
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the Lamar Jackson some more. Even though your your lesser
mobile quarterbacks, your bow Nixons, whatever, they can still slide,
still slide that. But see that.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
That's what I was asking the camp, because I was like, man,
you either had back when I played you the had
either or you had a guy that could just run
the ball, or you had a guy who was gonna
stand the back like the statue.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
You can get them, and now you gotta worry about
boat man. So that that just all dull thread is
your is your minimum? Is your minimum?
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Now he don't take off a lot, but when he does,
he's still running four to seven. Oh he's he's a
slow one. Oh man, right, I mean he takes off,
you gotta watch out for Josh Allen he will run
through you, over you, and then he can also probably
match your speed, if not outrun yourick.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Bro Let me let me so you play long enough
when you start, when did that star happen? Who was
the first one O, My first super athlete was was
Cam Newton, and then right after him was Michael Vick.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Though you know so like Michael Vick was the bridge
of the old era of the new era where we
were like, man, it's Michael Vick. And I was like,
well that twenty twelve and I was like, dang, bro
I used to watch them Wether with the falcons. It's crazy.
This is like the Michael Vick and I had a
three piece off of them, and I was like, I
was all right, we hunting for real? You know. Cam
Newton was the first quarterback Like I hit and like
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I thought, I smashed, and it like I bounced off
of him. He rolled out created like through a dot
down the I said, oh no, I said, yo, if
the quarterbacks are like this, I'm not gonna make it.
Like give me the Ben roethlisbergers. You know, six five.
He's gonna say he's two seventy, but come on, we
all know, yo. But he can't move like that, Like
he can't outrun you give me Tom Brady six five
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six six, you know, stand in the pocket. He gets
the ball out quick, which irritates you. But once you
get them got it, you know you got the Pat
Mahomes Like as you're tackling him, he's doing these no
look slings and you know it' money. You know, the
Matthew Staffords, who was probably the least one of the
least mobile Quarterbackshi Many and Rogers, and they can still
sort of get out and maneuver in the pocket and
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create these amazing talented throws like give me, give me
the guys that can't move it all.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
So you could pick your poison right now. And I
was looking at that man and now it was it
was dope.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
But you know, back to the guys that's really getting
paid right now, I thought about.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
I got wass giv me back out. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
So I was like probably when I was thirty thirty,
two thirty three, I actually was gonna go back and play.
I wasn gonna go back and play.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Like when I was like four years out, I was
gonna go back and and uh I was training already,
and so we were talking at teams.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
At that time, I was four years done.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
And what made me think that Because it was some
dudes coming off the bench making seven ten million.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
I said, hold on, what seven eight million? The most
I made in the year was five five and a half,
you know, in Buffalo in the year, So you got
to do this this not even getting in the game
making self. So I think, okay, hold on, that's that's
what I started thinking.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I said, I can go back and at least, at
bare minimum, give anybody, you know, eighteen or thirty players
a game, you know what I mean. I couldn't probably
play sixty like I did when when Ayden started doing
them then hurry up offenses and just just dumping down
the field the whole damn time. But I can go
and get you know, get twenty five thirty plays a game,
no problem at a high level.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
So that's what my head was.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
But I see this money now, man with Mica signs
for I said, yo, that that ain't even And I
know the game goes up every year, but you start
seeing those numbers bro for a pass rusher, I said, man.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
That's that's crazy to me. That's extremely crazy to me.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Yeah, we converting dreams. My son was like, Dad, I
can't wait to Uh, I can't wait to hit somebody.
I said, who do you want to hit? He's like
the quarterback like you. I said, hmm, I know. I said,
I don't want you to play football, but the hell
of a dream sign. And you see, after mikel gets
traded to the Packers, you saw Jerry Jones came out
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and said, like, what do you say? So I'm like, yeah,
you know, uh, it was okay for us because like
you know, we're trying to we're trying. That doesn't help
us stop the run. Hey, bro, like you've been hyping
up this guy for three four years and I don't
do that. See.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
You know it's funny, man, because you know, now I'm
in a position where I'm running a company and so
i'd be looking so now it's like I understand, you
know some of the fighters and all the you know
the business side of stuff and where they coming from,
Like you got to get your money, you got to
get paid.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I look at Jerry and I know that people gonna
say a lot because Micah is one of these dudes
like you. There's not gonna be another Micah parties for
ten years, Like, you're not gonna see somebody like that
with that explosion.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
It can turn a corner. You can line up in
an eight gap, be gap, bring around the corner. I mean,
he could do everything.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
So you're not getting you getting one of those guys
of that of that color, but like every ten years.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
But in Jerry's standpoint, I'm.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Looking at all, right, cool, what if one of these
guys he drafts, you know, turn out pose something and
not even not even close to Michael Parsons. But you
get an other dude that's on the on the borderline
of a Pro Bowl guy in that third first round
pick they acquired or whatever it is. You get two
second round guys that end up being so now you
got a complete team. But right now you can't justify
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it because this dude good to get on the field,
probably don't even know all the damn plays yet.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
You know, I'm saying he knows you know some of.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
The lingo, right, but you don't really know the plays
like that pure hustle production. That said, just pure hustle production.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Get on the field and chase somebody from behind like
a damn gazelle, you know what I mean. And so
right now, it's looking bad for Jerry, But give it
three four years that one of those draft picks or
two of those draft picks end up being something that
he I mean, he could be right right.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
I mean he also got Kenny Clark, who's a who's
a mega run stopper, you know, push the pocket guy.
In exchange, he got what two first rounders, So like
you can you can hopefully justifight in three years, but
you can't just fight now. Down. Donas is down bad
right now? No, they lost it right now? What counter year?
They lost Luca from from the Mouse and you lose
Michael Parsons for the Cowboys, like Dallas is Dallas is
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like God, what else do you want from bro Dallas?
Dallas taking the al all the way around. But they
can be a positive. Maybe they are better on the
floor without Luca. Maybe maybe they are better stopping the
run without Micah. But do they do they have that
that playmaker they can rely on? Now, okay, you got
somebody step up? Sure, sure you know that is to
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be determined. I think you're two or three years out
from determining if it's the worst trade or a good one.
Who do you think is the best pass dresser in
the game right now. Pure you know, it's it's crazy, man, because.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
You know I've watched Nick Nick, you know, watched some
of these guys, Nick Bosa, And I'm talking about like
the yellow guys who because I don't I don't really
say they established guys right because they're y'all, like, your
career is is set, what you've done, your body of work,
you've already you complete it to being who you are.
And I look at I look at some of the
other guys as planning it's going play six, seven, eight
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more years or whatever, being bro.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I want to yeah, please don't throw me in that category.
Oh no, but I'm six more years. My wife, my
wife will hate me.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Oh dude, listen, we know, we know what they do
if you play too long. It takes a lot to
be who you are now. And she's like, hey, eventually
I need you to be mine.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Okay, I got you, baby.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
You know you go to Brazil, Brazilian JIUJITSI coach, you
played a couple of six more years.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
You can happen, now, Okay, happen.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
But so I mean looking at looking at Miles though
the other day, and this this was my thing always
with Myles, I always felt like looking at Hi when
I met him at Jarvis Landry's charity softball event. This
is like in twenty eighteen or nineteen or something somewhere
around there. And now he walked in the room. I said, Yo,
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this dude looks this is crazy. And I'm you know,
I'm not a small dude myself as a pass rusher,
and I'm looking at him. I say, yo, this is crazy,
and people look at me like I was crazy. I'm
looking at him like no, no, this is crazy, right.
And my thing with him was is just always having
that switch. I said, dude, it one day when he
figure out how to keep this foot of the gas,
I don't know how somebody gonna block him because he's
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too big, too strong, too fast, is nimble, can turn
a corner, use his hands, duck under you at that
size at sixty five six, you know, sixty six whatever,
he is two seventy two seventy five and can move
and got fast twitching. I said, if he if he
decides to turn it on, there's nobody gonna be able
to do anything with them. So these last two years,
man like this for the first time in his career
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where I've seen him trail somebody from the backside and
not give up on plates, you know, like that second effort,
that third effort.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Right now, what he did to Joe Bird the other day.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Is the first time probably says Hamlet that I prayed
for some you know what I'm saying for somebody. Sin's
what happened to Hamlet, right bro, I said, Yo, he
out like he's out. You know, he came down as
the stunt down the middle and I don't know if
they ran a tax or exit or something like that.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
He can he got a clean shot on the clean shot,
and I was so I said, oh.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
That's that's the seat. That's the seat for the for
the Bengals.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Right.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
But just looking at that dude, that's how versatile he is.
And then you can line them up if you want
to put them in a three right like I created
a why three real mismatch. That's where that's where you
actually have fun.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
If you got an edge that can get off the ball,
hear that out, that's where you start to have real
If you line up on a tackle and you're from
like you're almost lined up all you're lined up on
a guard and you're almost on the tackle. Are you out?
All this space?
Speaker 5 (22:35):
And guards guards are massive hitting the videos. They're not
used to they're not used to ice on now. Yeah,
if there's somebody that can move right there. They they
used to doing everything in the box. Everything in the
box for them. They got stick you in the frame.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
That's it. Nah, big fella come out to this island.
Oh you, oh, you big hull out there by myself myself. Hey,
they start sweating preaching. Now, what's the count? Big feelings?
You know what the count is. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I think I think him right now, only only because
he's last These last two years, man, I've seen him
make a jump and really really his effort, his effort,
his efforts changed now. So I think he got something
something click with him. That in this coach who I
played with, Jock and he's coaching I played with. I
played with Joss and his D line coach, and he
(23:27):
called me one time on FaceTime and was like, man, listen.
When he first got there, he said, dude, if Miles
get this motor like you had, he's better than you.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
And I'm like, shut up. I said, Yo, you don't
gotta throw shots already. I was like, bro, you don't
gotta throw shots. You could just leave it as he
gonna be a lot better, right, He's gonna be all
right now, he's gonna be better than you, all right.
But yeah, he was right, man, because he just got
this thing with him over these last two years where
he was he's capable of just keeping the gas from
keep it full of the pedal, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Shout out to real defensive line, which is that actually
understand the game and then can help aggress their players.
And like you see, you see how Max Crosby's taking
off over the last couple of years. He's in my
top top tier two. You look at you look at
Trey Hendrickson and what he's done. He's led the league
in sacks the last two years. I'm just gonna insert
Trey Hendrickson, which you know, I don't know how the
Bengals didn't just extend him because the price is only
(24:21):
gonna keep going up at that.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
So I never understood that about teams, right, so you
know if that's gonna be your guy or not. And
if you know that that's not gonna be a guy,
and go ahead and make a move now because he
go out and get something double digits again.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
He gets ten, he'll have forty five and three years.
You saw what Michael just got, so like, that'll be
the low end. Like, so you if he and you
knew that two years ago, when he s works lock
him in. If that's your guy, if he does everything
the right way, he works out, he leads a team,
he's in the community, he treats his family well, he
treats his teammates well, he's your guy. You're like, man,
(24:56):
this is such a great find. Two years in they're like, man,
we could have made a better sign. And then Trey Henderson,
you signed him that day, the moment his guaranteed get
close to running out. That's it. All guys want is
guaranteed money. Like hey, hey, get me good. It's it's
safe to the year. Say at minimum, you could have
signed them for thirty for the next three ain't even
(25:18):
locked in. But now you're looking at this number. Now,
Jerry Jones could have signed Michael after you, after your
after your your rookie contract. You have two ten plus
SAX seasons, and you see the motor you got. I'm like, hey, bro,
so you want this little thirty, like we'll make you
thirty two. You know, keep you relative at the time.
At the time, you'll probably take it right, take it
(25:39):
because it saved you fifty years. Or now you've traded them,
So now you're missing a huge piece of defense that
you don't know if you can replace. Now. You you
got you know, Peyton Turner, you got Kenny Clark and
you but you let Tank Lawrence walk. Can you let
market the Marcus get traded Mia, Mike could get traded.
I mean, you know, that's why I'm glad. I'm saying
(25:59):
I don't have to worry about these issues. On defense side.
We got tomorrow. Chase Young's gonna be healthy soon, called Grannison.
My edge is great. My interior line Brandons Day's came
in and you've seen what he's done, you know over
the years defensive wise. Look, I love our defense and
what we can be and our offense is growing. Anyways,
Uh yeah, you know, I see I seen a video
(26:19):
of you training, bro, So what you what's your weighing? Now?
What did you play at your what your at your
at your peak? You was what like two fifty to
fifty five?
Speaker 3 (26:27):
I played around two sixty five and I used to
walk around in the off season like too a little
over to seventy.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
No, what is is different now? Man?
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Because back when I was probably lifting a bunch of
weights and you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Whatever, So I slimmed up. Yeah you're you're forty now,
so you're like to thirty five.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Yeah, yeah, I mean a lot of this do with
the mm A trainer though, So I saw getting the
MMA Jay Glades over the Fox Sports.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I grew up so my uncle's with professional boxes and
so I grew up boxing in PC County, Maryland anyway,
Washingt DC area, and so we just grew up naturally boxing.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
So one day I'm just hit the mit in the
gym and Jay look over like, oh shit, you can box?
I said, yeah, you know my uncle's box. I was
with him alive or whatever. I think you should try
him in May. It'll help you out in football. So
I'm like, all right, cool, no problem. Jay sends me
a text to a gym said meet me here tomorrow,
and so I go to this gym off off LaBrea
(27:19):
in LA. I walk in the gym and Jay Glazer's
right here to my right, and then Randy Coutour is
on my left.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
So I'm looking at and I'm a big inn May
fan at the time, so I know exactly who Randy
Goatour was.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
He had just won a title at like forty one,
forty two years old, right, And so I walk in.
I'm looking at Jay, I'm looking at Randy. I'm looking
at j And I said, Jay, like, I hope you
ain't playing on me fighting Randy today.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
That ain't happening. You know, I'm not you know what I.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Mean, I'm not getting in there with Randy. And so
he said, no, man, You'll get in there and do
a lot of hand in hand combat, a lot of
pumbling groundword.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Be it to open up your hips. And Bro, we
did a warm up for fifteen minutes and I was gassed.
That's all anyways, Well, mmm, a different for training is different,
go back to wrestling days. He went in there.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
By the time I was thirty minutes into this workout.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Bro, I'm in there. He's laying on me. I'm trying
to get up. He keep taking me to the ground,
take me to the ground. I'm looking up in the
sky hoping that clock run out because I'm seeing the light.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I'm like, not for real. Yeah, I said the light.
I'm seeing the light because I can't breathe. He smothered me.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
His pressures is crazy. And so we got down the
workout and I just walked out feel and defeated. I
was just like, man, I got my ass kicked today.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
I was tired. I looked terrible.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
I text Randy because I got his dember on the
way at the door, I said, what time are you
working out tomorrow?
Speaker 2 (28:37):
I went down, back down and drove back back down
in San Diego. Do my because you know we had
the y y'all still have the all season workout?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Oh yeah, yeah put jo Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
So I went down and did my workout, was saying Diego,
and I drove back to LA because I was furious,
you know, just that that competition in us we wanted
to get I wanted some get back, you know right,
you know I went up there.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
I started training with him the rest of it all
season and then and tooothed, I was and six. I
came out and led led the league of sacks because
I got really good to use my hands. I was
I was terrible to use my hands before. And so
that's why I'm talking to a lot of a lot
of the younger guys that man. And that's one thing
you do too, man, like we when you come and
use your hands. You might not put your put yourself
up there this past rush category with some of these
(29:17):
other guys. Man, but you have always been great using
your hands.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
I wasn't. I had to learn that.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
That didn't come natural for me because I played off
the ball a lot and I wasn't really I wasn't
really going to use my hands. But when I picked
that up, man, it changed everything that I was doing.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Right. I mean, shoot, you over there training training with
other guys. Have you ever thought about training you know,
the next next pantheon, the Darius Robinson's, you know, the
the guys around you out there out there in LA.
You know whoever these young bucks from Maryland, Virginia. You know,
there's always always in next to you or the you
know Chase young look alike boys, boys be coming from
from ball Preacher County. Okay, we get it. You're a
(29:53):
swoll cat. No, we get it. You swollen light skin, No,
we get that. Yeah, it's funny. Man, Chase.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
I used to watch him, says he was like a
freshman in high school.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
My my my head coach in high school was his gym,
was his teacher when his school teacher in high school.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
And so he would always come back and tell me
about this kid, Chase Yeah, you know that he had
when he was when he was younger, And I was like,
who He said, man, Chase Young.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
You know this this kid. So he was talking about
him for years. This was and this was after.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
This was after I left and graduated. But he would
always talking about this kid, Chase Young. So I didn't
even know how good he was until he got to
end up on Ohio State, you know what I mean.
But he was I know he had it had I
think he had a knee injury, right, he was coming back.
But Dugan Ball, he can he can go.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Yeah, I mean yeah, especially when you said, oh I'll stay.
He put together one of the most most tantalizing, most
intriguing defensive end season you could ever have. But it
was went crazy that one year got him to number
two over row. You know, he first rounders US first
rounders and you know your top your top end of
the first rounders. Oh man, I'm just saying, bro, you
(31:01):
came out to he came out to pass or something.
And I was like, I was like, yo, you should
probably start training some cats. You know you you had
so much input in there. I was like, it's in you,
like you. I don't think. I don't think that competitive
nature that we have as athletes ever leaves us. And
so it's almost great to have like a tutelage to something.
You know you you you funded all the lights out
(31:22):
into the m M A world. And I've we've been
watching sign him up or don't sign him up for
you know, five six seven years not ten fifteen here,
it's been a while. I remember, I remember you were
still playing talking about it and I was like, ain't
no way. I was like, nah, and yeah, no, you've
you've done that. But you catch you a protege a bro,
you might you might be able to turn top Robinson
(31:43):
into the next huh you know what man and chopped
you know, out of pas State.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
He was.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
He was another young cat that I was looking at
that I think he's gonna be really good. He needs
to get that on his hands and stuff like that.
I didn't really have that bug until I was out
there with y'all. I did you know what I'm saying, Like,
I'll go out there. But even when I go and
do stuff with the charters or do whatever, it's always
with you know, the ownership the marketing apartment.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
And that's that's being respectful other people's faces. Man, Like,
whatever you need for me, I'm here for you. No.
Like you get out there, you really start. You got
to talking to those kids, and the kids like, hell you,
I'm like you Sean Marryman. Yeah, it's crazy, man.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I didn't really you know, I didn't really have that
bug before until I was out there with y'all. Because
you're right, man, you get one of these younger guys
a chop Robson or some some younger kid who really
take in you know what you what you're teaching them,
and then it gets fun for you, Like it gets fun.
Like being back out there around there with all the guys.
I was like, man, I missed the ship. You know,
(32:41):
I didn't have that before. You know, I pop out
to a Chargers came all day, like when Joey Boston
all them boys were younger, and Melvin Ingram when they
were younger. I had them and I go out there
for a day or two and I'm like, okay, I'm
going back to my business and do all the stuff
that I'm doing.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
But when I was out there with y'all, I was like,
holy shit, you know what I'm saying, because it was
a lot.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
It was every everybody. It was all pass fush. So
for me, it's like walking back into a candy facility.
I'm like, dude, look at it. But man, if he.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Started putting his hands here like he can bend, he
could turn the corner.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
So I thought about it. Man.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
I've been thinking about a lot since I was out
there with y'all, So it's definitely possible.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Absolutely, Oh man. I mean it's just I love I
love doing it. I've been doing it since I got
to the league. I think think about my draft class
twenty eleven used to be like the auld Smith. It
used to be Von Miller early twenty eleven twelve, Like,
hey man, what you saw when you were about to
play them next week? What you all you gotta do
is set up this ben like you know now even
older no like Klais Campbell hit me up or whoever
(33:38):
like you know that Malcolm Rose be like, man, man,
I just know what what tip you head. I'm gonna
give it everything too. I'm snitching like that. Hey, they're
Tucker right there. This is what I saw and it
is how I got him. I'm snitching. I was bro.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
I was laughing when y'all was talking because we never
shared information like that. Yeah, back in my time, it
was like you wanted to be the sactly you want
to be. Young boys is like this give you the hey, bro,
this hey. I want you to have whatever I can
give you because I don't think you can do what
I can do. And that's that's either the confidence or
the borderline arrogance that I have. But I want I
(34:12):
want every pass russuer to win. I want us all
to beat the dult like I treat Officer Lineman his ops.
The only people I won't give up is my people.
I'd be like, I'll be like Camraun and paid it for.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
I ain't gonna give nobody up from you, because I'll
give you a couple of DC cats like I ain't
gonna give you the Saints office lineup. But then joker's
over there, Hey at Lant office line. This is what
I got on x x x x x X why
and this is where the quarterback likes to hike foot
ball by the way this, this is the time he
likes you to do. And what else I got on you? Like,
I'm gonna give it up because why I love to
see defense ride. I love it as long as they
(34:44):
ain't playing us. I love it. Now. If you ask
me about either one of my boys, I'm like, look, man,
I'm not gonna lie. They're the Codis mugs I've ever seen.
They ain't got no flaws. Yeah, no, I ain't got
no wings since you. Yeah, I watched the film. I
don't really see nothing on them. I don't see nothing
on them. But all right, man, how big do you
think lights Out can get? Because I remember when you were,
(35:06):
like you were doing those the tours like you. I
think I went to a lights Out back in like
fifteen fourteen, fifteen sixteen, but it was like the underground stuff.
It felt. It felt so surreal. Yeah, you know, it's crazy, man.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
So when you know when I got when I retired,
I went straight into TV and NFL Network, Fox Sports, ESPN.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
I was at them.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
I was still to launcher the WW network. So I
really started to understand like the TV business.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Like before it started turning into streaming, you know.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
And so there was like a combination of being able
to understand TV understand like how to who pays the
bills the commercials, so when you on there.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
I remember when Draft Kings first came out and I was.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
At Fox Sports and I'm already getting paid well by
Fox Sports, as you know, coming in three four days
a week, and then they would ask me to stop
off to the side and Draft Kings would pay me
like a couple grand for like a thirty second read,
and I was just thinking, like, hold on, they paying
this kind of money to them, what are they you know,
what are they getting well if they're paying me that,
(36:04):
you know, three four thousand dollars thirty second read. So
I started really like, okay, it's some money in this thing.
Like I just wanted to I wanted to figure out
where that money was. And so when I launched Lights
Out Extrage Fighting, we already know the UFC is the
big dogs, but that's like, so we know if we
can be in that circle of being the big dogs
for the UFC is like okay, they got the best
up and coming talent.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
I feel like it was a market there for it.
So that's what we are.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
You know, we got a big fight coming up September
twenty at then Long Beach Lights out of Strange Fighting
twenty seven. We got two dudes in this car, Tyre
our Fortune. Jake Babying is all this car too, Ronardo,
We got Scott Flores.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
We have.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
We got some of these next up and coming guys
in the US. They're probably a couple of fights away,
right the US SEA is like, okay, cool, come on
up here. So we got in their contracts. They can
get out of contract with us if they was looking
to go to UFC, which we want.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
You know what I mean, I hope, I hope my
motown does buy out the come on get them. Yeah,
you know it's I look at it like man like,
you know, I drink. I drink coke.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
You know what I'm saying. I'm a coke drinker. But
then again there's pepsi Ot. People love pepsi people love Sprite.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
These are also big companies, and so my thing is
if I can introduce enough technologies, which we got a
lot of technology coming, and I can keep growing our
distribution hopefully the top of twenty twenty six, we got
a really really big TV deal. We're going out like
massive one, and so if I can continue to doing that,
then we can be big in our own outright without
actually having to go out worry about computer the UFC,
(37:31):
because we don't want you to.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
We want to be bagging what we're doing that makes
us a success. You know, That's what the whole goal
of this thing is.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
I say, more power to you, because, like I said,
I've been I've been a fan of the game, and
then how you turn lights out of it from a
light switch in high school to the lights out extreme
fighting now, I mean it's you. We think about the
fighting world. In my mind, of course, UFC is like
the NFL, but you still got you, you know, the XFL,
which is now you guys. You know, I'm sure there's
there's been a tour or something else similar to it.
(38:01):
Bere knuckle fighting as entered the Fray power Slap that's
it's actually a good time. Power slapp is fake. But
like nah that that next up level is pretty much
you guys, Yes now for sure will be that. Yeah,
I love it. I hope you continue growing. Go go
get all that money on y'all. Hey, but I appreciate
you tapping in the boss. I mean, it's it's off
(38:23):
the edge with the podcasts with me your host Cam Jordan.
But it couldn't be anything without guys like you, Sean
come back, sharing a little knowledge, have a little fun
with me.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
There's been nothing but a blessing having you on.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Appreciated, man, appreciate it. I'll see y'all again this this summer.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Yes, sir, at the Past Fresh Summit. Come on, it'll
be a third annuals of me Max meet Max, Crosby
von Miller altogether hosting that joint. But we got legends
that come through. We got the young guys come through.
One of these days, these Watt brothers are gonna have
to come through and share some of their sauce. Like
we get it. They're they're the old regime. I don't
(38:58):
know what bone mayo, broth I've been drinking. I can't
help you with that. No, that's not here. Come on, man,
just just let's let'spprove the game together. One passers shout
of time. Appreciate you, Sean Merrick, Big Doug lights out
on the forearm with the switch, turn it into a
whole lights out extreme fighting. I mean, come on, it's
(39:22):
that next wave now. And I just love talking football.
Love that he was able to come to our our
SAX summit with me. Max Vaughn. We've talked about it,
like I saw the the way his eyes lit up
as he was talking to other guys, young guys, rookiees
coming in, you know, me him just rapping about swipes
and how we how we come across the past or
(39:42):
how we attack quarterbacks. It's a thing of beauty. Anyways,
thank you, Tell your friends, tell everybody else, Tell anybody
you can about where to find our podcast in the
iHeart app or wherever you get your podcasts, and please
watch it on the NFL YouTube channel. I'm telling you,
this was exciting. Everything that I want to do I do.
I do it for I do it for the cause
past rushing baby. But you know what, it's just been
(40:04):
so awesome to see the way he's taking something that
from his community into something a business model, and just
the way that he touched Maryland to San Diego. Man.
You love when somebody has an impact on the community.
We talked about community. I just like, I know that
we lost Sunday and I'm not excited about it, but
I still go to these school visits and now my
(40:24):
school visit this week. I mean I ran into you know,
I went to a super first school off on the
West Bank. I looked at the I looked at the
title and I couldn't even say it three times fast
if I tried. But I mean, if I think about
sharpernay Reu Elementary Middle School, you know, it was an
awesome event being able to talk to these kids start
off with pe and just talking about sports, how we lost,
(40:48):
whatever it was. It sort of helps process. We go
through these classrooms and I'm talking about, you know how
I went to the University California, Berkeley, which is a
number of public school in the nation. However, I was
able to get the conference I needed through the books
that I've read, through the to the history lessons that
I used to love that transferred over to me being
an undergrad legal studies major. Uh, and I had dreams
and aspirations toil football commandeered and I was like, yeah,
(41:10):
I'm going I'm going to u C. Berkeley, I'm going
to the NFL. I'm going to places with the Saints.
Uh to uh, just inspiring that knowledge. But I walked
into one particular classroom and missus t I'm gonna leave
it at missus t she as soon as I hit
the door, we made contact. As she started erupting, she
was looked at me, and I looked at her, and
I knew we had a Saints connection. And she ran
(41:30):
up and she got a she gotta excited. She was, Uh,
she was overcome with emotion. And that just tells you
a little bit about the Saints and their fan base.
Like it's real. The connection that we have is like this,
(41:51):
said Padac with Twins film, Like she saw me, she
was just like I was just talking about, you know
about how she had one of the Saints player to
come to a classroom. And there I am on a
Monday morning, bodies sore, voice gone from screaming, from cheering
and fighting to get it back, and I'm coming to
her class and she was appreciative, and I was just
(42:12):
I was just so overwhelmed with being appreciated and being
appreciative for her because not only is she getting up
every day dealing with twenty five kids a classroom and
she helping mold our youth, but she still has that
love for the Saints. Still. She ended up saying, like,
you know how much she loves the Saints, how much.
She has been a fan of the Saints for so long,
and I'm just overly appreciative of every time I walk
(42:34):
into a classroom, not only the kids are being receptives
a message, but the teachers are being receptive and appreciative.
Because we put our bodies on the line each and
every Sunday. We put our bodies on line each and
every day we go to practice. You never know when
it could be in the next play, could be a
last play. But the way we give our energy, the
way we give our time, the way we try and
give back to the community as football players. And it's tough,
(42:55):
it's tiring, and yet it's so rewarding when you walk
into a classroom like that. So mssus t over there
at uh charby nay are you I'm not even sure
if I'm saying that rel relux. I'm gonna say it's
for you as a French. But it's such a blessing
to be a blessing. On that note, appreciate y'all. Tune
in again wherever you get your your your podcast. iHeart
(43:18):
app you talk about you know, Apple podcasts. Wherever you
can find it off the edge with me your host
Cam Jordan. Appreciate your God, bless to the Niners.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
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