December 25, 2024 • 35 mins
On the latest Off the Edge with Cam Jordan podcast, former All-Pro DB TJ Ward joins the show. TJ tells Cam why the state of current NFL defenses is a reason he could still play at 38 years old. TJ then tells the story of his locker room fight with a former teammate over, of all things…pregame music. The guys then debate whether player salaries should be based on position or performance? Plus, TJ and Cam discuss the merits of the current College Football Playoff system. All that, and much more. In a conversation you don’t want to miss.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Here we are back off the edge with me your
host Cam Jordan.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Uh. I'm excited because you know this is a I'm
bringing in a guy who I certainly got to play
against in college too, which just let you know how
old I am or you know how young he is
either one what one of the two. They're talking about
a pro bowler, all pro.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
We talked about the TJ. Ward what a super Bowl,
super Bowl fifty lord.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Super Bowl champion. Heret's let's let's start that off. You
know you're only a few years older than me.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
You're thirty eight, right, yep, thirty eight.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I'm thirty five few days ago. Look I talked to
I talked to Khalais Campbell previously, bro, and he's thirty eight,
still doing it.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
You think it's still make a tackle NFL?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
I mean if I was training these last eight years.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Walking out there right now, No, I'm just I hope
I can hold on to somebody, but us.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Hold him up, come down with attention. Hit that.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Yeah, I guarantee you.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
I can feel a sea gas, but I definitely gonna
need you out there containing that age man, forcing bag
so he can't go nowhere.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I was I saw, uh, I was just because I
saw you. I saw your tweet a minute back. You're like, yo,
that was coupboys. I can I can help you tackle
somebody if you need something like hit my phone.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Yeah for sure. Give me two weeks, give me two
weeks after the bide week. I'll be out there. Hey,
dead ass.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
The way they out there attempting to tackle, I can't
do no worse.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I can't. It's impossible.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I say, hey, you know, you know there's always like
a game or two during the season that for some
reason you you see like six or seven mistackles and
then you gotta like hone in on the craft room,
like all of a sudden, you guys are thudding up
in practice and doing.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
All that right. We go for as this week, this week.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
This week because we needed I'm missing tackles because I'm hurting.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
My shoulder hurts. I'm giving it everything I got.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
We practiced, you ain't even supposed to be practicing. Yeah,
we're gonna do a four on the floor this week because.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
We saw, we saw. You know what, I'm gonna put
the codes at the hash mark and the codes three
yards by the sidelines, so you know, I need to
make overfield tackle.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
What what what what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Yeah? But nah, no, no, you know, even though sometimes
it's needed. All right, coach, we need to go back
to the drawing fundamentals, fundamentals because we're losing it for
whatever reason. But like you said or brought up, it's
been happening.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Concurrently in the NFL with multiple defenses and you know,
multiple teams. So it's something that's happening across the league.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
And I you know.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Blast half of it gotta come from the taking away
the physicality.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Right, you can't hat anybody no more.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
And from what I hear, they're even teaching tackling technique
different differently, Right, what's that going on?
Speaker 3 (03:10):
That's the way to get ran over facts I grew up, I.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Would say, but but you came in from era where
you you know, you you used to come down and
thump them boys, you know, like you were known as
a as a as a thumper. You come down and
literally put everything in there.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Huh yeah, yeah, man, you can still be a thumber.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
A lot of my thumps, you know, weren't thumps where
you get ejected or.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Him with the him, and so it's still you know,
you still allowed to do that.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
You see it, you know from some guys in the league.
It's a it's a once a game like oh okay, right,
but it doesn't happen too.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Often, ye like, But there's no monikers for guys that
are laying hits out like you used to have Dante
hitting her. You know what I'm saying, right, they commercialized it, right, Like,
there's none of that no more. It's like, oh, he
comes down here fit and he like lays a hat.
But that's it's not it's not as celebrated. You used
to whisper Vontes's perfect name.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
You like coming, you know who we got this week?
He walked past the office.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Hey, I better, y'all better tightened up.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Used to used to top the offense like your own office.
He Hey, I don't know they're gonna work when he
come down. You see Cam Chancellor when he come down,
hit that sea gap, do.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
That all the time and pra he throw that out.
That's that's gonna work, you know, you know he coming,
Yeah for sure?
Speaker 4 (04:30):
But like, man, seriously, did you.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Ever have one of them hits in the league when
you when everybody.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Will hit that, Oh yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I had running back to the flat.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Yeah, I called a man. I called a guy.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Uh shipy Membershipley from Texas. He played receiver. He was
with he went to Cincinnati. Uh, but he played with
call McCoy in Texas and when we were in college
that era anyway, called him in the red and it
was the first hit.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
In the NFL.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
I had, like that, a big hit and I got
flagged and fine and it was like my welcome to
the NFL moment, like Okay, you can't do that here.
So but yeah, it was a oh like almost like
a ya, why did you do that?
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Like he's a minace I am?
Speaker 4 (05:21):
I am hey, yeah, like the Carson Palmer came up
to me, t O came up to me. The whole
office was like, hey, man, like that was uncalled for.
But it wasn't uncalled for.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
It wasn't.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
It was right on time.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Yeah, straight up, y'all. Just Cincinnatis Division, NFC AFC North.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
You know the Browns, we been the little the little
brothers in this division. I'm a rookie. I'm like, hey,
times are changing around here.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
No they were not, but you but you believe little
little did I know.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
You don't come and change around here in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Right here, Hey, my favorite story I think of all
times with you is uh just hearing hearing the rumors
around the locker room.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Might have been preseason or even a regular season game.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Well the scrap that went down between you and Alex Mack, which,
again as a jit, you just hear about these things.
And you know Mac went to cow so I know,
you know he's sort of a he's sort of an oddball. Anyways,
offensive lineman just super to himself. Yeah, I heard, like,
you know, you hear, you hear things like I knew
you was a wild man, and it was like, yeah,
(06:36):
it was right before a game when they became a
two piece.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I was like, wait, what what? I was like, hey, well,
do you recall like how that happened. He was playing
music in the locker room. He was getting your guys.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Yeah, yeah, I was.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
It was like the first game of maybe my third year.
Right so it's my third year. We done went four
and eleven, four and twelve, five and eleven. I'm like,
we got it, we gotta pick it up, we gotta
do something. So we didn't even play music before the games.
You know, the practice is cool. Before the games, nobody
(07:10):
played music. But I'm like, man, we gotta get headphones right.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Offense.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
I don't know how you guys locker room set up,
but offense was on this side. Defense was on this
side on game day. So it was a pretty big
locker room in Cleveland, believe it or not. I mean,
just because we were bad doesn't mean we didn't have
good things, right, Like they facility must have sucked. Nah,
Actually they are pretty good. So different parts of the
locker room. I turned my little monster box on. It's
(07:36):
not too loud. It's a speaker.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
This big can't get too.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Loud right right, So I go contrast, come back music off.
I'm like, damn, must have disconnected for the blue tube.
Turn it back on, Go get you know, stretch and stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Come back. It's off again. I'm like, this is not
a coincidence. So Joe Ayden, that's my dog. He's locker
right next to me. So Joe, he kind got like
a didn't happen. I'm like Joe to the music. He like, man, man,
Max get back, came down and turned it off. I'm like, who.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Turned my back off? Now, go get taped, get my
fingers wrist taped.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Come back. I catch him. He right, He like his
hand up like, hey man, like what's going on.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
He's like, we don't play music before the games. I'm like,
we don't play music. I'm playing music before the game.
N we don't play no music.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
I said.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
We been getting our ass kicks since I've been here,
so we gotta change it up. And we're trying to
get crunked down here, so we're gonna play some music.
So like I go to like get him out the
way and get back and turn my stuff back on,
and he kind of like like little man me like
I mean, I mean he.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Just moved.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I mean, yeah, the situation was that, but you know,
don't be treating me like that.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
So now I gotta get extra strong getting like get
him out the way, like get about my locker. So
I get my back to my locker, spin him out,
giving me a little un you know, I'm kind.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Of big at this point. I'm about to go to twelve.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
You know, I'm about to twelve, like solid though, real strong,
like I'm putting a weight at this point.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
So nobody would ever say that about to twelve, but
continue as a safety. Yes, that's big, that's the office
a lineman. We we you know, right, dang.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
So now I got my back to the towards the
locker and I had to get him back. So I
pushed him a little bit, not even a violent push,
just like.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
A you know, get back, bro like move. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
So now he's trying to go over the top of me,
and he grabbed me, and I'm like, it's over bull constricted, right,
I'm like, so, I first thing I had to do
it was before he tightened up.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Was to slip about. So I slipped up, and now
I hit him with a bigness.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
So I guess he felt like that was a big push,
and he kind of started charging me, and you know,
I mean spider senses went up. Don't let a big
man run up on you and grab you. So I
just gave him a left right power and then I,
you know, got back to the center of the locker
so I could have space to move around, you feel me,
(10:33):
so I could.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Get up came I'm like, yeah, come out here.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Yeah, I'm stunned a little bit, huh, but uh, I
don't think he liked how they felt. But either way,
you know, it was something that emotions were up pregame.
I think we're all a little bit frustrated by the
last few years being in Cleveland and me and him
being leaders of the team. We kind of could have
(11:00):
definitely helped handled that a different way, but I say
we were both in the wrong.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
And after that, you know, me and alex is being
real cool.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
I think actually probably have a better relationship from it
from that point on, right.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
You might, you might earn a little bit.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
We did both ways. I think we did. And you know,
after he got back to my.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
After I got to the center of the locker room,
his back was to my locker, even grabbed my speaker
and launched it all the way to the end of
the busted into a million pieces.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
So I was just looking at it like, damn.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
I wasn't but I lost, Like I won what I lost?
A lost?
Speaker 3 (11:43):
So we got ready, Uh did y'all win that game? No,
we didn't win that game. You know, we hadn't won
the season opener.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Since I've been there and then before that, so it
didn't help. But you know, we we put up a fight.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Right moreas the one.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Show, Uh yeah, story them is them is some stories man,
like that happened a lot back then.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
I don't know if they still happening today.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
But man, it's god that virility is definitely on the
lower end. Everybody's a little more posture. Everybody has like
the politics of like you know exactly, so, you know,
I like the locker rooms now. You know locker rooms
now they're a lot softer and feel and more like
Joe Vial. But at the same time, you know, like
it is what it is. Plus they usually if it's
(12:32):
going to happen, it's gonna happen right right around that
training camp, you know, week four or five, So you
know the fact that it was seasoned open, that's that's
a great hell of a way to pop off the season.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Do you do you think about when you first got
in do you were ever like focus and emphasizing, like
the stretching, the the prehab you know, do you remember
going into rehab at six thirty the morning and you
weren't hurt Steve thirty the morning, dude, there's a there's
a there's a pivotal time. I try and tell guys,
I'm like, Yo, when I first got in the league,
sort of looked at you like if you were in
the rehab room, you were wrong, Versus now you ask
(13:06):
better be in the rehab room and if you have
any soft tissue stuff that's on you before it's on
the team.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Absolutely, Well, I mean I was coming off a lot
of injuries from college, so I made sure I was
always in the training room. So I think I kind
of did that by default because I had to, you know,
just I had two three knee new knee surgeries and
pull my hamstring my second year in Cleveland, so I
had hit flex of injuries in high school.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
I had a lot of soft tissue injury.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Injuries throughout my career, so I really knew how to
up keep my body warm up, make strengthen, and you know,
pre rehab right to get away from all those injuries
to prevent those injuries from coming in. So yeah, I've
always been one of those guys. Actually, later in my careers,
when I kind of stopped having to do all that,
(13:57):
it's kind of weird, right, Like I would spend less.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Time and warm up and prehab. Yeah, it makes no sense.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
But the older you got, the better you got. You're like, yeah,
I'm good, No, No, I'm in there. I'm in there religiously.
I need it.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Oh yeah, Like cold contrast in the morning I.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Don't believe in cold bro.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I don't believe.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
No rehab, a hot up.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
And then you know, I didn't even get in the
hot up till like year nine or ten, like you
know I did.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
But no, man, you man played thirty years.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I ain't never wanted to play thirty years. No, no, hey,
my goal. My goal was one Pro Bowl and then
after that it's all been laying up in blessings.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Yeah, but yeah, no, definitely blessings. But the older you get,
it's not that you like get more injuries. Is the
injuries take longer to come back from, right, So even
like concussions. Man, when I was getting like concussions later,
I'll say it like it's concussions, right, yeah, I was
(15:05):
going to the grocery store.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
But dude, they was I'm like, damn, not right yet.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
And that's when I really was like, Okay, maybe I'm
getting too many of these mm hmm. You know, because
like the first the earliest, like, dude, take the test,
I'm back, right, take the test.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I'm back now, I'm taking the test. And nah, take
a test.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Nah, I'm like, hold up, y'all, now, y'all just trying
to hold me out.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I don't want to pay me. I got incentives in
my contract. I know what y'all doing.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
The politics of the business side of it. All boys
be forgetting that it is a business at the end
of the day. They're be like, oh, how can they
do that to me? Well, you got a million dollar
seconds off and it's two games left.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Then we're not winning and you're not going to the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
They're not trying to give you that. No, sorry, or
we are winning, but also we're already secured in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
They don't need this last win or too.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Those ten tackles it.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Like it's there's the there's the business side.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
That is it's really real.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
You know. Yeah, that's a fact.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
So if you can get up on it early, get
up on it. But they once you start learning the
business side, that's when you start getting slow, right, That's what.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
That's what they say. Hey, when when when you when
you're young, you just run around. You ain't worried about politics,
about who's what where the numbers game, how many dns
they hold, how many You're like, no, like, I'm gonna
be the best that I'm gonna work hard for it
because you have unlimited potential once you once you capture
your potential or proceed to capture your potential, that's when
they try to start replacing. You're like, no, I'm the
best I have ever been, and yet they just spent
(16:39):
the first rounder on my replacements. You know, they're always
trying to always trying to get cheaper. This is a
business side of things.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
You gotta understand that for sure.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Stay tuned. We'll be right back.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Look as a fan, as a fan now as a
guy who's playing in the league retired, what what are
you looking forward to Christmas Day? Do you do? You
look forward the NFL game on Christmas Day? You look
forward towards me the basketball game? You know, like I've
heard I've heard you talking both. Are you an NBA guy?
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Now?
Speaker 1 (17:07):
You still a NFL guys?
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Now I'm still NFL. I still I part take in NBA.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
But it's being unwatchable, Like wow, man, I Like, I mean, I'm.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
A nineties kid, eighties baby, nineties kid, right, so I
like to see the full spectrum of the sport basketball
and football, and it just seems that both it's kind
of becoming one dimension or they're like mirroring each other,
like with the passing and the protection the NFL is doing,
the NBA is doing the three ball, and studient reffs
(17:41):
taking over the game. We tech calls and all other
crazy stuff. So it's kind of in the same lane,
but definitely still the NFL guy. I love that NFL
is getting back to running backs being prominent figures in
the offense because I think with that becomes more physical sport.
Now the defense have to become more physical. Safety has
become more physical. You see more.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Violent, So.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Ultimate effect, the ultimate effect, see more violence.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
When it all comes down to it, it's more violent, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I mean it's sort of a sad thing to see, Like,
you know, us growing up, you saw all the great
fullbacks that would come through, and now there's all of
three teams that use a fullback.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Man, some runner backs used to have shoes signatures, remember
Barry Sanders and Jimmy Smith's and signature kicks. Yeah, now
they can hardly get a contract.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
I mean that's you know, you gotta you know, cook
the Kamaras and Saquon's.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
And even then that's a mid level d tackle payday
straight up. You know, tight ends. You know, there's there's
Travis Kelcey and then there's a drop of you know,
there's Christian McCaffrey making nineteen a year and then the
next highest paid now is who twelve and a half thirteen.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
It's uh, the disparity is, man, Yeah, could you imagine
that in the quarterback position.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
I mean, your mid level quarterbacks are making thirty five
and you're up your top tier quarterbacks are making sixty
a year. I'm talking about apy a year a year.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Let's say you're incredible.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
You could be And that's just the wide diaspora that
is athletes. You know, like think about think about it.
We're looking at our own like, man, we got to
get our money up. You know, you got Tjy making
thirty something whatever it is at your positions. And then
but you look around the league is like, oh, you
know the leagues Like look around baseball, Juan Soto go
(19:38):
for seven fifty, Like damn, I'm sport all right?
Speaker 4 (19:41):
What allows them to put I mean, I think your
value to a team is your value to the team,
no matter what position you put, right.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Right, explain show hel tiny seven hundred.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
You know, if I'm this and I bring this type
of impact, I don't player.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
If you play.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Quarterback and you are basically just a game manager, right,
But I'm making game changing turnovers, I'm making game changing plays.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
There's no way you should be paying money. I don't
care what position you like. This is how it should go.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
But for whatever reason, they've been able to put each
position in the capitule and then cap it.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Or not right. Yeah, I mean I think that's kind
of ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
But yes, I mean yes and no.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I feel like, in my mind, I've always said you
can't teach size, right, so you can't teach a really
good quarterback. That's why you have, you know, the excellence
that is you know Pat Mahomes or Josh Allen or
you know Lamar Jackson. And then you have everybody sort
of chasing that. But that's just it. Just like players
are chasing that greatness, teams are chasing that greatness as well.
They know if they can capture a really good quarterback,
(20:48):
you know, Dak Prescott, you know you're gonna win some
games because of him, albeit maybe not this year because
he's on IR.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
But you know what you have in front of you.
Do you risk that by going to go pay somebody
else too?
Speaker 4 (21:00):
I mean, agree with you with that being said, you
have those top tier quarterbacks, so regardless of a team
there on, they're going to be that top tier.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
So they deserve to be paid like that.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
But then you got guys that you know, I'm not
gonna say any names, but let's just say the bottom half, right,
getting paid absurd amount of money just because they play quarterback.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Right, they're terrible, but it's it's like they may be,
they may be hurting their team more than they're but.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Say, if you look at it, if you look at
from that, you say, like, I'm not giving the quarterback
sixty mili, I'm so all right, so I'll give him.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
You know, I think he's whatever you say, he's okay.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
So you land at a number like thirty five and
thirty five you're like, if you look at quarterback numbers,
you'll be like, oh, he didn't really get paid.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Like that, But at every other position that is the top.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Of the market, yeah, or beyond exactly.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
So, like I said, it should be based on impact.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Ah, that was like, it's it's never it's never been
that way.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
You've always say, hey, I know.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
You gotta be I look at all the time.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
I mean I look at all the time just in
terms of like years where we got you know, where
I got drafted versus not. I'm like, dang, Like I
came out in twenty eleven right after the lockout year,
where you know, Cam Newton should have made seventy million
dollars as the first overall pick, but he made twenty,
you know, because we just it's the luck of the draw,
you know. Because of that, they're like, you know, these vetsls,
we make.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
More in the back end.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
But right before I made my second deal, it was
like right before the d line market took off, so
you know, like blessed highly favorite, never got to work again. Yeah,
you know, I signed like eleven year and I was
like hell yeah. And the year after it was like
a mid level d tackle made like fourteen or fifteen,
and then the market took off and I was like,
oh I missed it.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Dang. Like my year coming out, it was like the
gold rush.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Everybody's trying to get out before to see the new
CBA hit right or before the lockow. Yeah, jors coming
out and I'm like, hey, man, y'all.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Need to stay back. You messed it, stock, you mess it.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
I'm gonna be a first round lockna.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Be a first Now I'm second round because of y'all
all Americans want to come out sophomore stay back. But yeah,
that was that was that was a class. But like
you know, that's what comes back to the business side.
You got to be aware, like you're getting ready for that,
that week of preparation, that game plan. You better have
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a game plan for your for your business and your contracts,
see what's going around the league and your position and
everything tap into that.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Bro I've thought about this.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
How just you talk about, you know, having having a
game plan and preparing for it, How does that ever,
like feel for you when you had the you know,
the Thursday night game with the Sunday game after or
like those the three games stretch with where you you play,
you know, within eleven days you played three games? Like
how did that? How did that used to take a
toll on you? Especially as a safety coming down like
(23:58):
you're you're you're I'm hitting people, they're shedding a office
alignment or a tight end. You're hitting people coming from
twenty yards deep or maybe ten yards back, creeping up
and hitting the sea gap at your probably top speed,
if not top speed.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Yeah, it's brutal man. You know, especially the Sunday to
the Thursday. All right, cool man, that's like and especially
don't have a violent or a divisional matchup that Sunday
and don't have to travel that Thursday. So I mean
it takes a toll, bro that. I don't think we
should have to play no Thursday game after playing Sunday, right,
(24:36):
that is ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Well how would you set it up? Then you can't
have it after a bye week because then you're cutting
the bye week down.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I wouldn't have it at all.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
No primetime Thursdays.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
For what Friday, Friday would be better.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Friday would actually be better. Friday would be better. You know,
there's not much football on.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
You got some.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
College games, but you know right, who's really watching those
unless you're a gambler.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
My brother, beautiful, this beautiful blue and gold. You know
you you know, you know what it is, the hostile
pain you You you remember coming down to Moorial Stadium.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Yeah, dude, man, he look.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Getting worked over back.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Yeah we lost that game, but I had a game, boy,
I had a game.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
I tell you what. That man got me drafted alone.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I say, I've been to Austin and one been. I
think I've been to aunt and lost. Maybe I don't think.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
So, I've only been I only played the Memorial once. Bro,
I never wonder. It's crazy. I don't did I.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Did you have to think about it? Look at him?
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Nah, not sure, didn't, But yeah, that I think maybe Friday.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
But Thursday, man.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
You can tell it's just guys just whooped. They whoopd
on that Thursday coming around. I think it's a lack
of interest even in playing, no preparing for it.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
You can't even get your corrections from the week before.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Even if you like, oh, oh we gotta get we
gotta tighten up here. You are you you're gonna have
one quick day of a quick practice because you realize
guys are whooped, and then you're gonna go from there.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Mm hmm. It's bad. It's bad for business. And you're
adding another game at the end of the season Thursday Night.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
But you know, if it wasn't for Thursday Night, I
would have never had a prime time game my four
years in Cleveland. Never we had one Thursday night game
my last year there.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Come on, man, God, that's just that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
That's tough. I was supposed to make the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
H the world need to see this greatness. I'm putting
on this play.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Come on, I'm snapping.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Right, dank you, No, you can get greasy out there.
I mean, it is what it is. And talk about
now we're pushing up on playoffs.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
How you feel it.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
I'm feeling great.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
This this is the weirdest season I think I've ever
been a part of. I said, bro, this is I'm
in uncharted territory. This season alone, I've lost more games
at a single goal than I think I've ever had before.
We lost seven in a row this year. I said,
what the what the hell is this? I said, no,
we got We had all these starters, and you know
how football season goes. We've had a lot of injuries.
Half officer, the line went down for multiple games. The
(27:29):
quarterback went down for multiple games. He's down again. Running
back been down. You know, wide receivers all both our
starting receivers been down, and like half the season or
all of it.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Now you talk about not even just talented players, you
talking about emotional leaders gone absence.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
It's hard.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
It's hard. It's hard to win an NFL.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
It's hard to win as a sports team where you
don't have your marquee guys or your your emotional foundation
guys or your hoorah guys.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
The best ability is availability.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Then you got guys with no experience coming in. They
might know the playbook, but it's you know, it's fine
new theme.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
My new thing is that right.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
The minutia, the manusia has always been in the details,
Like you got to pay attention to the small things
because you don't the small things can become major things.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
But you know, it just sort it is what it is.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I think that it's all it's all about sort of
having that struggle of luck during the season, with with health,
with guys that know how to play through it, with
everything that goes. But you know, again, speaking of speaking
of the playoffs, I mean I'd rather transition to, uh,
just the idea of college football playoffs. You know, like
we get that the college college sort of prospects is
(28:44):
now all about business. This playoff situation organ's number one.
So like I mean, you know, you as a u
OFO guy, uh.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
No, ducks, here we go.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
You know, what is it?
Speaker 2 (28:55):
What do you think the toughest the toughest path through
college football playoffs? You know you guys finish thirteen to
oh win the big, big Big ten Conference.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Oh and now you guys, you know what do you have?
Speaker 2 (29:05):
You got you gotta play the winner of Ohio and Tennessee,
which Ohio you guys already beat. You know how hard
it is in college to beat the team twice?
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Yeah, I mean we got we got the toughest role,
but it ain't never being easy.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
So we just, you know, we gotta just go roll
with it. You can't be crying over spilled milk. We
are the dogs.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
If we number one, then we we We remain number
one the whole time, no matter who we play.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
So let's get it.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
But number one crazy?
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Now, all the tough guys stuff, that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Ohio State. I think we'll beat them twice. We should
have blew them out the first game. The first they
had that that long pass to the tight end and
on their first drive was an interception. They end up
scoring a touchdown that drive. We get that interception. That's
so the hugest momentum swing after already going down to
score in seven, we could possibly go up fourteens in right,
(30:01):
So I feel.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Like in the h where will we play it? Would
it be the Rose Bull again or somewhere else. I
can't remember how that bracket is set up.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Calent is not in that. So we have not seen
a college playoff. It's you know, I'm excited that we
went to say, now we get a bowl game. Do
you think the college playoff format needs to be changed? Like,
I'm just confused with the expansion of it. How do
you guys get the tougher schedule?
Speaker 4 (30:25):
I think, I mean, we already changed from the BCS format.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
That was a problem.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
I think from year to year to have one specific format,
it's always going to be something wrong, right because conference
and strengths changed every year. So if you were like
to say, oh, well the Big Ten and the SEC
strength to schedule, there are stronger conferences, they should have
this over those conferences and blah blah blah, change the
brackets up to where they get easier ways.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
To the championship.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Well that may be this five years, but what about
in the next five years in the ACC like when
Clemson was kicking ass every year, you know, and somebody
else in another conference, then it's gonna be skewed again.
So you kind of just man, you can't you can't
complain about everything. At some point, man, everybody's gonna have
the bone to pick. You go twelve teams, You're gonna
go fifteen, I mean sixteen eighteen teams?
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Right, Like, is it a playoffs? Then? No? Not really?
Speaker 1 (31:21):
These are these are.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
So I mean, shoot, next year we get in the bracket,
maybe a lower seed with an easier path.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Mm. So never know, Hey, be grateful, got it, Be grateful,
be happy.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
You in there, You in there, You got.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
A chance because you know us, you.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Know we play early.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
In December, and that's our last game for sure, the
Chester Cheeto Bowl.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah, with our quarterback hitting the transfer portal, like, hey, bro,
like what you're doing?
Speaker 1 (31:54):
You want to lead us to this one?
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Oh man? That's another thing. Man, these guys getting paid
and they jumping and still do not play in the
bowl game. Like, what's the point of having the bowl
games outside the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Great question?
Speaker 1 (32:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
We were We played in the in the college area
where there wasn't an I l I was struggling to
make ends meet.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
So yeah, we need that bowl checked that game.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
I was. I was driving to the bowls every money.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Mexico said San Diego.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
I'm pushing that easy I'm driving, come on, let's ride.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Let's put that check.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
I had a big tae hole in college too.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
In there need that.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
But anyways, all right, man, last question I have you
know you're coming from the Bays forming a super Bowl
in Louisiana.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
I just want to know, you know, uh, it's a
California thing.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
But at the same time, who's your favorite Bay Area artists?
Speaker 3 (32:56):
My favorite Bay Area artists.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Was Mac dred Man, Dre Messi, marve As well Man,
Mac Dre Messi, mar them two is who I grew
listening up to in high school, in like in college.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Those are my two artists.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
But like pre Dre like forty pop rapping Forte too
short them is like the O O G.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
You feel me if you don't say forty because that's
been my favorite.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Not for show forty, but you know, forty was like
one of the first rappers period.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
I listened to every like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Get you with that, that that Webb and I was like.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Yeah in a major way, in a major way that
my pop said that album was like let me play this.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yeah, Like man, it was like, oh hey, I don't
even know what the hell he's saying here.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Nah, for real, for real, who's your favorite baby? You know,
being a I guess yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
What I was shout.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Or fa mister faul hit him with metro vibes out.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
But you know I had the pot yellow.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Hey man, you're finna take me back to three.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Hey, when I when I had when I thought I
was doing something with the tin card slugs in the mountain. Man,
it was a damn thing with the with the real
mean gold like.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Oh, and you was in the bed.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
You was the peak.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
You was the name the peak.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Like I said, I like right around.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Just around. You just missed you just missed it. You
got some.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yeah, I got I got the after effects for shore Boy.
It was definitely bien en la. I appreciate you tapping
in with the podcast.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Brokie man, appreciate you having me. I have fun. Man,
I don't be having fun on these podcasts.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
You know.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
I try.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
I try and shoot when I can, you know what
I'm saying. That's when it's good people, and you know,
good people.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Yeah, truck patting mad and the Trump is at but
trunking and
Here we are back off the edge with me your
host Cam Jordan.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Uh. I'm excited because you know this is a I'm
bringing in a guy who I certainly got to play
against in college too, which just let you know how
old I am or you know how young he is
either one what one of the two. They're talking about
a pro bowler, all pro.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
We talked about the TJ. Ward what a super Bowl,
super Bowl fifty lord.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Super Bowl champion. Heret's let's let's start that off. You
know you're only a few years older than me.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
You're thirty eight, right, yep, thirty eight.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I'm thirty five few days ago. Look I talked to
I talked to Khalais Campbell previously, bro, and he's thirty eight,
still doing it.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
You think it's still make a tackle NFL?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
I mean if I was training these last eight years.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Walking out there right now, No, I'm just I hope
I can hold on to somebody, but us.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Hold him up, come down with attention. Hit that.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Yeah, I guarantee you.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
I can feel a sea gas, but I definitely gonna
need you out there containing that age man, forcing bag
so he can't go nowhere.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I was I saw, uh, I was just because I
saw you. I saw your tweet a minute back. You're like, yo,
that was coupboys. I can I can help you tackle
somebody if you need something like hit my phone.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Yeah for sure. Give me two weeks, give me two
weeks after the bide week. I'll be out there. Hey,
dead ass.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
The way they out there attempting to tackle, I can't
do no worse.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I can't. It's impossible.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I say, hey, you know, you know there's always like
a game or two during the season that for some
reason you you see like six or seven mistackles and
then you gotta like hone in on the craft room,
like all of a sudden, you guys are thudding up
in practice and doing.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
All that right. We go for as this week, this week.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
This week because we needed I'm missing tackles because I'm hurting.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
My shoulder hurts. I'm giving it everything I got.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
We practiced, you ain't even supposed to be practicing. Yeah,
we're gonna do a four on the floor this week because.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
We saw, we saw. You know what, I'm gonna put
the codes at the hash mark and the codes three
yards by the sidelines, so you know, I need to
make overfield tackle.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
What what what what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Yeah? But nah, no, no, you know, even though sometimes
it's needed. All right, coach, we need to go back
to the drawing fundamentals, fundamentals because we're losing it for
whatever reason. But like you said or brought up, it's
been happening.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Concurrently in the NFL with multiple defenses and you know,
multiple teams. So it's something that's happening across the league.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
And I you know.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Blast half of it gotta come from the taking away
the physicality.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Right, you can't hat anybody no more.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
And from what I hear, they're even teaching tackling technique
different differently, Right, what's that going on?
Speaker 3 (03:10):
That's the way to get ran over facts I grew up, I.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Would say, but but you came in from era where
you you know, you you used to come down and
thump them boys, you know, like you were known as
a as a as a thumper. You come down and
literally put everything in there.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Huh yeah, yeah, man, you can still be a thumber.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
A lot of my thumps, you know, weren't thumps where
you get ejected or.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Him with the him, and so it's still you know,
you still allowed to do that.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
You see it, you know from some guys in the league.
It's a it's a once a game like oh okay, right,
but it doesn't happen too.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Often, ye like, But there's no monikers for guys that
are laying hits out like you used to have Dante
hitting her. You know what I'm saying, right, they commercialized it, right, Like,
there's none of that no more. It's like, oh, he
comes down here fit and he like lays a hat.
But that's it's not it's not as celebrated. You used
to whisper Vontes's perfect name.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
You like coming, you know who we got this week?
He walked past the office.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Hey, I better, y'all better tightened up.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Used to used to top the offense like your own office.
He Hey, I don't know they're gonna work when he
come down. You see Cam Chancellor when he come down,
hit that sea gap, do.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
That all the time and pra he throw that out.
That's that's gonna work, you know, you know he coming,
Yeah for sure?
Speaker 4 (04:30):
But like, man, seriously, did you.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Ever have one of them hits in the league when
you when everybody.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Will hit that, Oh yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I had running back to the flat.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Yeah, I called a man. I called a guy.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Uh shipy Membershipley from Texas. He played receiver. He was
with he went to Cincinnati. Uh, but he played with
call McCoy in Texas and when we were in college
that era anyway, called him in the red and it
was the first hit.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
In the NFL.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
I had, like that, a big hit and I got
flagged and fine and it was like my welcome to
the NFL moment, like Okay, you can't do that here.
So but yeah, it was a oh like almost like
a ya, why did you do that?
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Like he's a minace I am?
Speaker 4 (05:21):
I am hey, yeah, like the Carson Palmer came up
to me, t O came up to me. The whole
office was like, hey, man, like that was uncalled for.
But it wasn't uncalled for.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
It wasn't.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
It was right on time.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Yeah, straight up, y'all. Just Cincinnatis Division, NFC AFC North.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
You know the Browns, we been the little the little
brothers in this division. I'm a rookie. I'm like, hey,
times are changing around here.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
No they were not, but you but you believe little
little did I know.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
You don't come and change around here in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Right here, Hey, my favorite story I think of all
times with you is uh just hearing hearing the rumors
around the locker room.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Might have been preseason or even a regular season game.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Well the scrap that went down between you and Alex Mack, which,
again as a jit, you just hear about these things.
And you know Mac went to cow so I know,
you know he's sort of a he's sort of an oddball. Anyways,
offensive lineman just super to himself. Yeah, I heard, like,
you know, you hear, you hear things like I knew
you was a wild man, and it was like, yeah,
(06:36):
it was right before a game when they became a
two piece.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I was like, wait, what what? I was like, hey, well,
do you recall like how that happened. He was playing
music in the locker room. He was getting your guys.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Yeah, yeah, I was.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
It was like the first game of maybe my third year.
Right so it's my third year. We done went four
and eleven, four and twelve, five and eleven. I'm like,
we got it, we gotta pick it up, we gotta
do something. So we didn't even play music before the games.
You know, the practice is cool. Before the games, nobody
(07:10):
played music. But I'm like, man, we gotta get headphones right.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Offense.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
I don't know how you guys locker room set up,
but offense was on this side. Defense was on this
side on game day. So it was a pretty big
locker room in Cleveland, believe it or not. I mean,
just because we were bad doesn't mean we didn't have
good things, right, Like they facility must have sucked. Nah,
Actually they are pretty good. So different parts of the
locker room. I turned my little monster box on. It's
(07:36):
not too loud. It's a speaker.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
This big can't get too.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Loud right right, So I go contrast, come back music off.
I'm like, damn, must have disconnected for the blue tube.
Turn it back on, Go get you know, stretch and stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Come back. It's off again. I'm like, this is not
a coincidence. So Joe Ayden, that's my dog. He's locker
right next to me. So Joe, he kind got like
a didn't happen. I'm like Joe to the music. He like, man, man,
Max get back, came down and turned it off. I'm like, who.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Turned my back off? Now, go get taped, get my
fingers wrist taped.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Come back. I catch him. He right, He like his
hand up like, hey man, like what's going on.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
He's like, we don't play music before the games. I'm like,
we don't play music. I'm playing music before the game.
N we don't play no music.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
I said.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
We been getting our ass kicks since I've been here,
so we gotta change it up. And we're trying to
get crunked down here, so we're gonna play some music.
So like I go to like get him out the
way and get back and turn my stuff back on,
and he kind of like like little man me like
I mean, I mean he.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Just moved.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I mean, yeah, the situation was that, but you know,
don't be treating me like that.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
So now I gotta get extra strong getting like get
him out the way, like get about my locker. So
I get my back to my locker, spin him out,
giving me a little un you know, I'm kind.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Of big at this point. I'm about to go to twelve.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
You know, I'm about to twelve, like solid though, real strong,
like I'm putting a weight at this point.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
So nobody would ever say that about to twelve, but
continue as a safety. Yes, that's big, that's the office
a lineman. We we you know, right, dang.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
So now I got my back to the towards the
locker and I had to get him back. So I
pushed him a little bit, not even a violent push,
just like.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
A you know, get back, bro like move. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
So now he's trying to go over the top of me,
and he grabbed me, and I'm like, it's over bull constricted, right,
I'm like, so, I first thing I had to do
it was before he tightened up.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Was to slip about. So I slipped up, and now
I hit him with a bigness.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
So I guess he felt like that was a big push,
and he kind of started charging me, and you know,
I mean spider senses went up. Don't let a big
man run up on you and grab you. So I
just gave him a left right power and then I,
you know, got back to the center of the locker
so I could have space to move around, you feel me,
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so I could.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Get up came I'm like, yeah, come out here.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Yeah, I'm stunned a little bit, huh, but uh, I
don't think he liked how they felt. But either way,
you know, it was something that emotions were up pregame.
I think we're all a little bit frustrated by the
last few years being in Cleveland and me and him
being leaders of the team. We kind of could have
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definitely helped handled that a different way, but I say
we were both in the wrong.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
And after that, you know, me and alex is being
real cool.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
I think actually probably have a better relationship from it
from that point on, right.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
You might, you might earn a little bit.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
We did both ways. I think we did. And you know,
after he got back to my.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
After I got to the center of the locker room,
his back was to my locker, even grabbed my speaker
and launched it all the way to the end of
the busted into a million pieces.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
So I was just looking at it like, damn.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
I wasn't but I lost, Like I won what I lost?
A lost?
Speaker 3 (11:43):
So we got ready, Uh did y'all win that game? No,
we didn't win that game. You know, we hadn't won
the season opener.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Since I've been there and then before that, so it
didn't help. But you know, we we put up a fight.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Right moreas the one.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Show, Uh yeah, story them is them is some stories man,
like that happened a lot back then.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
I don't know if they still happening today.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
But man, it's god that virility is definitely on the
lower end. Everybody's a little more posture. Everybody has like
the politics of like you know exactly, so, you know,
I like the locker rooms now. You know locker rooms
now they're a lot softer and feel and more like
Joe Vial. But at the same time, you know, like
it is what it is. Plus they usually if it's
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going to happen, it's gonna happen right right around that
training camp, you know, week four or five, So you
know the fact that it was seasoned open, that's that's
a great hell of a way to pop off the season.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Do you do you think about when you first got
in do you were ever like focus and emphasizing, like
the stretching, the the prehab you know, do you remember
going into rehab at six thirty the morning and you
weren't hurt Steve thirty the morning, dude, there's a there's
a there's a pivotal time. I try and tell guys,
I'm like, Yo, when I first got in the league,
sort of looked at you like if you were in
the rehab room, you were wrong, Versus now you ask
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better be in the rehab room and if you have
any soft tissue stuff that's on you before it's on
the team.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Absolutely, Well, I mean I was coming off a lot
of injuries from college, so I made sure I was
always in the training room. So I think I kind
of did that by default because I had to, you know,
just I had two three knee new knee surgeries and
pull my hamstring my second year in Cleveland, so I
had hit flex of injuries in high school.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
I had a lot of soft tissue injury.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Injuries throughout my career, so I really knew how to
up keep my body warm up, make strengthen, and you know,
pre rehab right to get away from all those injuries
to prevent those injuries from coming in. So yeah, I've
always been one of those guys. Actually, later in my careers,
when I kind of stopped having to do all that,
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it's kind of weird, right, Like I would spend less.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Time and warm up and prehab. Yeah, it makes no sense.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
But the older you got, the better you got. You're like, yeah,
I'm good, No, No, I'm in there. I'm in there religiously.
I need it.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Oh yeah, Like cold contrast in the morning I.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Don't believe in cold bro.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I don't believe.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
No rehab, a hot up.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
And then you know, I didn't even get in the
hot up till like year nine or ten, like you
know I did.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
But no, man, you man played thirty years.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I ain't never wanted to play thirty years. No, no, hey,
my goal. My goal was one Pro Bowl and then
after that it's all been laying up in blessings.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Yeah, but yeah, no, definitely blessings. But the older you get,
it's not that you like get more injuries. Is the
injuries take longer to come back from, right, So even
like concussions. Man, when I was getting like concussions later,
I'll say it like it's concussions, right, yeah, I was
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going to the grocery store.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
But dude, they was I'm like, damn, not right yet.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
And that's when I really was like, Okay, maybe I'm
getting too many of these mm hmm. You know, because
like the first the earliest, like, dude, take the test,
I'm back, right, take the test.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I'm back now, I'm taking the test. And nah, take
a test.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Nah, I'm like, hold up, y'all, now, y'all just trying
to hold me out.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I don't want to pay me. I got incentives in
my contract. I know what y'all doing.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
The politics of the business side of it. All boys
be forgetting that it is a business at the end
of the day. They're be like, oh, how can they
do that to me? Well, you got a million dollar
seconds off and it's two games left.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Then we're not winning and you're not going to the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
They're not trying to give you that. No, sorry, or
we are winning, but also we're already secured in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
They don't need this last win or too.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Those ten tackles it.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Like it's there's the there's the business side.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
That is it's really real.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
You know. Yeah, that's a fact.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
So if you can get up on it early, get
up on it. But they once you start learning the
business side, that's when you start getting slow, right, That's what.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
That's what they say. Hey, when when when you when
you're young, you just run around. You ain't worried about politics,
about who's what where the numbers game, how many dns
they hold, how many You're like, no, like, I'm gonna
be the best that I'm gonna work hard for it
because you have unlimited potential once you once you capture
your potential or proceed to capture your potential, that's when
they try to start replacing. You're like, no, I'm the
best I have ever been, and yet they just spent
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the first rounder on my replacements. You know, they're always
trying to always trying to get cheaper. This is a
business side of things.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
You gotta understand that for sure.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Stay tuned. We'll be right back.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Look as a fan, as a fan now as a
guy who's playing in the league retired, what what are
you looking forward to Christmas Day? Do you do? You
look forward the NFL game on Christmas Day? You look
forward towards me the basketball game? You know, like I've
heard I've heard you talking both. Are you an NBA guy?
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Now?
Speaker 1 (17:07):
You still a NFL guys?
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Now I'm still NFL. I still I part take in NBA.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
But it's being unwatchable, Like wow, man, I Like, I mean, I'm.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
A nineties kid, eighties baby, nineties kid, right, so I
like to see the full spectrum of the sport basketball
and football, and it just seems that both it's kind
of becoming one dimension or they're like mirroring each other,
like with the passing and the protection the NFL is doing,
the NBA is doing the three ball, and studient reffs
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taking over the game. We tech calls and all other
crazy stuff. So it's kind of in the same lane,
but definitely still the NFL guy. I love that NFL
is getting back to running backs being prominent figures in
the offense because I think with that becomes more physical sport.
Now the defense have to become more physical. Safety has
become more physical. You see more.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Violent, So.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Ultimate effect, the ultimate effect, see more violence.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
When it all comes down to it, it's more violent, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I mean it's sort of a sad thing to see, Like,
you know, us growing up, you saw all the great
fullbacks that would come through, and now there's all of
three teams that use a fullback.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Man, some runner backs used to have shoes signatures, remember
Barry Sanders and Jimmy Smith's and signature kicks. Yeah, now
they can hardly get a contract.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
I mean that's you know, you gotta you know, cook
the Kamaras and Saquon's.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
And even then that's a mid level d tackle payday
straight up. You know, tight ends. You know, there's there's
Travis Kelcey and then there's a drop of you know,
there's Christian McCaffrey making nineteen a year and then the
next highest paid now is who twelve and a half thirteen.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
It's uh, the disparity is, man, Yeah, could you imagine
that in the quarterback position.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
I mean, your mid level quarterbacks are making thirty five
and you're up your top tier quarterbacks are making sixty
a year. I'm talking about apy a year a year.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Let's say you're incredible.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
You could be And that's just the wide diaspora that
is athletes. You know, like think about think about it.
We're looking at our own like, man, we got to
get our money up. You know, you got Tjy making
thirty something whatever it is at your positions. And then
but you look around the league is like, oh, you
know the leagues Like look around baseball, Juan Soto go
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for seven fifty, Like damn, I'm sport all right?
Speaker 4 (19:41):
What allows them to put I mean, I think your
value to a team is your value to the team,
no matter what position you put, right.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Right, explain show hel tiny seven hundred.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
You know, if I'm this and I bring this type
of impact, I don't player.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
If you play.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Quarterback and you are basically just a game manager, right,
But I'm making game changing turnovers, I'm making game changing plays.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
There's no way you should be paying money. I don't
care what position you like. This is how it should go.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
But for whatever reason, they've been able to put each
position in the capitule and then cap it.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Or not right. Yeah, I mean I think that's kind
of ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
But yes, I mean yes and no.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I feel like, in my mind, I've always said you
can't teach size, right, so you can't teach a really
good quarterback. That's why you have, you know, the excellence
that is you know Pat Mahomes or Josh Allen or
you know Lamar Jackson. And then you have everybody sort
of chasing that. But that's just it. Just like players
are chasing that greatness, teams are chasing that greatness as well.
They know if they can capture a really good quarterback,
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you know, Dak Prescott, you know you're gonna win some
games because of him, albeit maybe not this year because
he's on IR.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
But you know what you have in front of you.
Do you risk that by going to go pay somebody
else too?
Speaker 4 (21:00):
I mean, agree with you with that being said, you
have those top tier quarterbacks, so regardless of a team
there on, they're going to be that top tier.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
So they deserve to be paid like that.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
But then you got guys that you know, I'm not
gonna say any names, but let's just say the bottom half, right,
getting paid absurd amount of money just because they play quarterback.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Right, they're terrible, but it's it's like they may be,
they may be hurting their team more than they're but.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Say, if you look at it, if you look at
from that, you say, like, I'm not giving the quarterback
sixty mili, I'm so all right, so I'll give him.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
You know, I think he's whatever you say, he's okay.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
So you land at a number like thirty five and
thirty five you're like, if you look at quarterback numbers,
you'll be like, oh, he didn't really get paid.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Like that, But at every other position that is the top.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Of the market, yeah, or beyond exactly.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
So, like I said, it should be based on impact.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Ah, that was like, it's it's never it's never been
that way.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
You've always say, hey, I know.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
You gotta be I look at all the time.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
I mean I look at all the time just in
terms of like years where we got you know, where
I got drafted versus not. I'm like, dang, Like I
came out in twenty eleven right after the lockout year,
where you know, Cam Newton should have made seventy million
dollars as the first overall pick, but he made twenty,
you know, because we just it's the luck of the draw,
you know. Because of that, they're like, you know, these vetsls,
we make.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
More in the back end.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
But right before I made my second deal, it was
like right before the d line market took off, so
you know, like blessed highly favorite, never got to work again. Yeah,
you know, I signed like eleven year and I was
like hell yeah. And the year after it was like
a mid level d tackle made like fourteen or fifteen,
and then the market took off and I was like,
oh I missed it.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Dang. Like my year coming out, it was like the
gold rush.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Everybody's trying to get out before to see the new
CBA hit right or before the lockow. Yeah, jors coming
out and I'm like, hey, man, y'all.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Need to stay back. You messed it, stock, you mess it.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
I'm gonna be a first round lockna.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Be a first Now I'm second round because of y'all
all Americans want to come out sophomore stay back. But yeah,
that was that was that was a class. But like
you know, that's what comes back to the business side.
You got to be aware, like you're getting ready for that,
that week of preparation, that game plan. You better have
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a game plan for your for your business and your contracts,
see what's going around the league and your position and
everything tap into that.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Bro I've thought about this.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
How just you talk about, you know, having having a
game plan and preparing for it, How does that ever,
like feel for you when you had the you know,
the Thursday night game with the Sunday game after or
like those the three games stretch with where you you play,
you know, within eleven days you played three games? Like
how did that? How did that used to take a
toll on you? Especially as a safety coming down like
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you're you're you're I'm hitting people, they're shedding a office
alignment or a tight end. You're hitting people coming from
twenty yards deep or maybe ten yards back, creeping up
and hitting the sea gap at your probably top speed,
if not top speed.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Yeah, it's brutal man. You know, especially the Sunday to
the Thursday. All right, cool man, that's like and especially
don't have a violent or a divisional matchup that Sunday
and don't have to travel that Thursday. So I mean
it takes a toll, bro that. I don't think we
should have to play no Thursday game after playing Sunday, right,
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that is ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Well how would you set it up? Then you can't
have it after a bye week because then you're cutting
the bye week down.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I wouldn't have it at all.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
No primetime Thursdays.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
For what Friday, Friday would be better.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Friday would actually be better. Friday would be better. You know,
there's not much football on.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
You got some.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
College games, but you know right, who's really watching those
unless you're a gambler.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
My brother, beautiful, this beautiful blue and gold. You know
you you know, you know what it is, the hostile
pain you You you remember coming down to Moorial Stadium.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Yeah, dude, man, he look.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Getting worked over back.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Yeah we lost that game, but I had a game, boy,
I had a game.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
I tell you what. That man got me drafted alone.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I say, I've been to Austin and one been. I
think I've been to aunt and lost. Maybe I don't think.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
So, I've only been I only played the Memorial once. Bro,
I never wonder. It's crazy. I don't did I.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Did you have to think about it? Look at him?
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Nah, not sure, didn't, But yeah, that I think maybe Friday.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
But Thursday, man.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
You can tell it's just guys just whooped. They whoopd
on that Thursday coming around. I think it's a lack
of interest even in playing, no preparing for it.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
You can't even get your corrections from the week before.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Even if you like, oh, oh we gotta get we
gotta tighten up here. You are you you're gonna have
one quick day of a quick practice because you realize
guys are whooped, and then you're gonna go from there.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Mm hmm. It's bad. It's bad for business. And you're
adding another game at the end of the season Thursday Night.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
But you know, if it wasn't for Thursday Night, I
would have never had a prime time game my four
years in Cleveland. Never we had one Thursday night game
my last year there.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Come on, man, God, that's just that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
That's tough. I was supposed to make the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
H the world need to see this greatness. I'm putting
on this play.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Come on, I'm snapping.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Right, dank you, No, you can get greasy out there.
I mean, it is what it is. And talk about
now we're pushing up on playoffs.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
How you feel it.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
I'm feeling great.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
This this is the weirdest season I think I've ever
been a part of. I said, bro, this is I'm
in uncharted territory. This season alone, I've lost more games
at a single goal than I think I've ever had before.
We lost seven in a row this year. I said,
what the what the hell is this? I said, no,
we got We had all these starters, and you know
how football season goes. We've had a lot of injuries.
Half officer, the line went down for multiple games. The
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quarterback went down for multiple games. He's down again. Running
back been down. You know, wide receivers all both our
starting receivers been down, and like half the season or
all of it.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Now you talk about not even just talented players, you
talking about emotional leaders gone absence.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
It's hard.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
It's hard. It's hard to win an NFL.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
It's hard to win as a sports team where you
don't have your marquee guys or your your emotional foundation
guys or your hoorah guys.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
The best ability is availability.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Then you got guys with no experience coming in. They
might know the playbook, but it's you know, it's fine
new theme.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
My new thing is that right.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
The minutia, the manusia has always been in the details,
Like you got to pay attention to the small things
because you don't the small things can become major things.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
But you know, it just sort it is what it is.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I think that it's all it's all about sort of
having that struggle of luck during the season, with with health,
with guys that know how to play through it, with
everything that goes. But you know, again, speaking of speaking
of the playoffs, I mean I'd rather transition to, uh,
just the idea of college football playoffs. You know, like
we get that the college college sort of prospects is
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now all about business. This playoff situation organ's number one.
So like I mean, you know, you as a u
OFO guy, uh.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
No, ducks, here we go.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
You know, what is it?
Speaker 2 (28:55):
What do you think the toughest the toughest path through
college football playoffs? You know you guys finish thirteen to
oh win the big, big Big ten Conference.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Oh and now you guys, you know what do you have?
Speaker 2 (29:05):
You got you gotta play the winner of Ohio and Tennessee,
which Ohio you guys already beat. You know how hard
it is in college to beat the team twice?
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Yeah, I mean we got we got the toughest role,
but it ain't never being easy.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
So we just, you know, we gotta just go roll
with it. You can't be crying over spilled milk. We
are the dogs.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
If we number one, then we we We remain number
one the whole time, no matter who we play.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
So let's get it.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
But number one crazy?
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Now, all the tough guys stuff, that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Ohio State. I think we'll beat them twice. We should
have blew them out the first game. The first they
had that that long pass to the tight end and
on their first drive was an interception. They end up
scoring a touchdown that drive. We get that interception. That's
so the hugest momentum swing after already going down to
score in seven, we could possibly go up fourteens in right,
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So I feel.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Like in the h where will we play it? Would
it be the Rose Bull again or somewhere else. I
can't remember how that bracket is set up.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Calent is not in that. So we have not seen
a college playoff. It's you know, I'm excited that we
went to say, now we get a bowl game. Do
you think the college playoff format needs to be changed? Like,
I'm just confused with the expansion of it. How do
you guys get the tougher schedule?
Speaker 4 (30:25):
I think, I mean, we already changed from the BCS format.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
That was a problem.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
I think from year to year to have one specific format,
it's always going to be something wrong, right because conference
and strengths changed every year. So if you were like
to say, oh, well the Big Ten and the SEC
strength to schedule, there are stronger conferences, they should have
this over those conferences and blah blah blah, change the
brackets up to where they get easier ways.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
To the championship.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Well that may be this five years, but what about
in the next five years in the ACC like when
Clemson was kicking ass every year, you know, and somebody
else in another conference, then it's gonna be skewed again.
So you kind of just man, you can't you can't
complain about everything. At some point, man, everybody's gonna have
the bone to pick. You go twelve teams, You're gonna
go fifteen, I mean sixteen eighteen teams?
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Right, Like, is it a playoffs? Then? No? Not really?
Speaker 1 (31:21):
These are these are.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
So I mean, shoot, next year we get in the bracket,
maybe a lower seed with an easier path.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Mm. So never know, Hey, be grateful, got it, Be grateful,
be happy.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
You in there, You in there, You got.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
A chance because you know us, you.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Know we play early.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
In December, and that's our last game for sure, the
Chester Cheeto Bowl.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah, with our quarterback hitting the transfer portal, like, hey, bro,
like what you're doing?
Speaker 1 (31:54):
You want to lead us to this one?
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Oh man? That's another thing. Man, these guys getting paid
and they jumping and still do not play in the
bowl game. Like, what's the point of having the bowl
games outside the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Great question?
Speaker 1 (32:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
We were We played in the in the college area
where there wasn't an I l I was struggling to
make ends meet.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
So yeah, we need that bowl checked that game.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
I was. I was driving to the bowls every money.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Mexico said San Diego.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
I'm pushing that easy I'm driving, come on, let's ride.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Let's put that check.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
I had a big tae hole in college too.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
In there need that.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
But anyways, all right, man, last question I have you
know you're coming from the Bays forming a super Bowl
in Louisiana.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
I just want to know, you know, uh, it's a
California thing.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
But at the same time, who's your favorite Bay Area artists?
Speaker 3 (32:56):
My favorite Bay Area artists.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Was Mac dred Man, Dre Messi, marve As well Man,
Mac Dre Messi, mar them two is who I grew
listening up to in high school, in like in college.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Those are my two artists.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
But like pre Dre like forty pop rapping Forte too
short them is like the O O G.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
You feel me if you don't say forty because that's
been my favorite.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Not for show forty, but you know, forty was like
one of the first rappers period.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
I listened to every like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Get you with that, that that Webb and I was like.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Yeah in a major way, in a major way that
my pop said that album was like let me play this.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yeah, Like man, it was like, oh hey, I don't
even know what the hell he's saying here.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Nah, for real, for real, who's your favorite baby? You know,
being a I guess yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
What I was shout.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Or fa mister faul hit him with metro vibes out.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
But you know I had the pot yellow.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Hey man, you're finna take me back to three.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Hey, when I when I had when I thought I
was doing something with the tin card slugs in the mountain. Man,
it was a damn thing with the with the real
mean gold like.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Oh, and you was in the bed.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
You was the peak.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
You was the name the peak.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Like I said, I like right around.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Just around. You just missed you just missed it. You
got some.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yeah, I got I got the after effects for shore Boy.
It was definitely bien en la. I appreciate you tapping
in with the podcast.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Brokie man, appreciate you having me. I have fun. Man,
I don't be having fun on these podcasts.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
You know.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
I try.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
I try and shoot when I can, you know what
I'm saying. That's when it's good people, and you know,
good people.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Yeah, truck patting mad and the Trump is at but
trunking and
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