October 22, 2024 • 26 mins
Mike and Wes discuss the last-second win over the Texans, including the performance of Jeff Hafley’s defense (:45), the ups and downs on offense (8:28), and the work of P Daniel Whelan (13:10). They also look around the NFC North (16:18), and Wes selects three under-the-radar stars of the game (23:04).
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from
Packers dot Com. I have Mike Spoffer, joined as always
by my partner in crime, Wes Honkowitz. We're coming to
you here from our studios at Lambeoufield to review a
down to the wire last second victory twenty four to
twenty two over the Houston Texans on Sunday at Lambeufield.
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The Packers have improved a five and two. There's a
lot of ground to cover with regard to this game West,
but I think the discussion from this one starts with
Jeff Haffley's defense, because while twenty two points is not
a number where you go, oh, the defense played great
when you watched what happened out there on the field,
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the defense played great.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
It did Mike, and it was one of the more creative, impressive,
and consistent performances I think we've seen from the Packers
defense this season. And I don't want to get hyperbolic
about it because I just got done with last week
saying okay, they only had two quarterback hits on Murray
and no sacks, but it was one of their best
pass rushing performances. I did feel like they built upon
that though they built upon it with their four man rush,
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they built upon it with some of their third down
blitz packages. And one other trend that some of the
guys were talking about after the game is Averra McKinney
among them is this idea, and it's a credit to
Brian Flores and the Vikings. They were the ones that
kind of started this thing of mugging up all these
defensive players and then sometimes sending four, sometimes sending seven,
sometimes dropping guys. You just never know what you're gonna get,
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and the quarterback has to be able to make sense
of everything. And I felt like this came in particular.
It wasn't just c J. Stroud. Their offensive line had
a hard time adjusting to those looks. It helped create
four tackles for a loss for Eric Wilson, two sacks,
and relief of an injured kway Walker. I think I
absolutely love what they're doing with Rashaun Gary. We talked
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about the need of trying to get him moving around
a little bit more, not just having him come off
the weak side, being able to kind of build upon
some of the traits that we talked about early in
his career with having some positional versatility on the line,
and then first and foremost they threw for eighty six yards.
And whether that's opposition being afraid of attacking the secondary
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now with having Xavier McKinney over the top of it,
whether it's just the time clock of the quarterback getting disrupted,
what have you. When you are limiting a quarterback, the
reigning NFL offensive rookie of the year to under fewer
than one hundred passing yards, you're doing something right defensively.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah, it was pretty impressive. I mean, Joe Mixon certainly
had his share of success. He ends up rushing for
over one hundred yards, and it was interesting how that
evolved because it felt like either the Packers were stacking
up Nixon Mixon excuse me, at the line of scrimmage,
or he was getting ten or twelve yards. There weren't
really a whole lot of just the four or five
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yard kind of mediocre runs. It was either they stuffed
him or he got an explosive, and through those combinations
he ends up with over one hundred yards. And the
Packers certainly had their challenge there. But you said it,
I mean, the reigning offensive rookie of the year in C. J.
Stroud comes into lambeau Field throws for only eighty six
passing yards. There's actually a net passing yards of like
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fifty some because of the four sacks that for like
minus thirty one and the quite frankly going through the
defensive film and I've got a lot of clips out
there on the third downs and by what you might
have missed piece for those who want to check that out.
The Houston Texans up front, their pass protection, the calls,
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the communication, whatever it was, they were just not on point.
The Packers were confusing them. The Packers were getting them
to hesitate, not quite sure you know who had whom,
you know what to do, and it just it led
to a lot of frustration for Stroud. Folks were talking
about how he tossed his helmet on the sideline and
you know, the Texans had the ball right at the
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beginning of the game at the eleven yard line after
an interception by Jordan Love and yet had to settle
for a field goal. They had a chance to, you know,
potentially put the game away at the end with a
first down in the red zone at the two minute warning,
forcing the Packers to use their timeouts on defense there
at the end, but the defense got back to back
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tackles for loss on Joe Mixon and forced the field
goal there. The Packers' defense had had multiple takeaways every
game through the first six games of the season, almost
equaling the number of takeaways from all of last regular season.
Not a single takeaway in this game, and this defense
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proved that it can succeed, it can play well, it
can cause problems for opponents, not just because of the takeaways,
but because of some of the other things that Jeff
Hafley is learning about his guys and learning how to
put them in certain positions to cause the offense problem.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
In my opinion, the Greevy Packers won this game. The
overcame that turnover deficit because of the situation going on
right now with being able to have the defensive front
getting after the quarterback the way they did. But beyond that,
third downs is huge. You have to be able to
contain the opposition in those moments. I think at one
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point the Texans were two of ten and the adversity
situation that the change of game situation. The defense really
thrived in those and I was talking to Kenny Clark
about this after the game, and as he said, when
you look at an NFL football game, okay, when you
are in a spot where you are stepping up and
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you can stop them. The only time it felt like
they were going to be able to score points is
when the position was already stacked in their favor. Yeah,
if they made the Texans drive, they felt like they
were getting the stop. So the one real I mean,
there was a stretch of I think four straight three
and oh it's at least three when they were able
to mount that challenge late in the Texans were able
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to get down the field the way they did, that's
when the offense stepped up. That's when Brandon McMahon stepped up.
I thought this game was a perfect example of different
phases lifting each other up at the right time. But
the backbone of all of it was the defense holding
court the way it did.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, you said it. Until the Texans final drive where
they kicked the field goal to take the lead with
just under two minutes to go to go, they had
only converted two third downs they got there. They got
two more third down conversions on that drive to end
up four out of thirteen in the game. But as
you said they were just two out of ten before
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that last drive, and whether and you know, it's another
potpoie of individuals stepping up at different times, right, whether
it's Evan Williams getting the stop on the two point
conversion when they tried to run Joe Mixon from the
one yard line, and again that was a two point
conversion from the one yard line because of a defensive
penalty that actually moved the ball closer. You mentioned Eric Wilson.
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He steps in for kway Walker, not only to play
the position, but to handle the communication, to wear the
green dot, to relay all the signals to everybody. And
Wilson not only keeps everybody defensively on the same page,
but with those those a gap looks and some of
that confusing stuff they were doing up front. He ends
up with two sacks, four tackles for loss, a pass
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deflection on third down that led to a punt. Edgar
and Cooper, we see in whatever role Jeff Hafley is
giving him, the rookie linebacker is making an impact when
he's out there. Some of this different pass rush stuff.
We saw Rashan Gary kind of getting cut loose a
little bit. He was getting some you know, some runs
at the quarterback because of the you know, the stunting
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and the looping around and trying to get creative in
that regard. So there was a lot a lot going
on defensively that the Texans really had trouble with. And hey,
it's a week to week league. Every game plan is
going to be different. You know, there are going to
be teams, I would say, like the Vikings a few
weeks ago, who are going to handle the Packers preuss
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your packages better than the Texans did. That's going to happen.
So then what are your counters, what are your answers,
what are the adjustments you're going to make to still
try to do things? And so that's where everything with
this defense will be continue to be an evolution going forward.
And on the offensive side, I guess just call it
an up and down roller coaster kind of day. You know.
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Jordan Love's touchdown passes to Tucker Craft and Dontavian Wicks
were absolutely incredible throws right on the money. Couldn't have
put it in a better spot. But he also threw
two interceptions obviously that he'd like to have back. The
offense in the second half was backed up three times
inside its own twenty yard line and went three and
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out and couldn't get a first down on three consecutive possessions.
So there were all of these ups and downs with
the offense. Fortunately, Love was able to put together that
two minute drive. Buck forty four on the clock, Packers
need a field goal to win. He completes four passes
for thirty nine yards. They get another five yards thanks
to a defensive offside and Brandon McManus, the new kicker,
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comes out to win the game and the Packers get
the five and two. But yet are looking at the
film on offense going, boy, we could have There's so
much more you know that the Packers could have done
in this game. So a lot to learn from. But
pulling out a game with a two minute drive right
at the end the way Jordan Love did, that's another
step forward for that young man at quarterback.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
It is. And as Matt Lafleur keeps saying, the superpower
of Jordan Love is always been able to move forward.
And whatever has happened, it happened, You flush it, you
move on to the next play. He doesn't allow those
things to affect him. Now, certainly you do need to
clean it up. The eight interceptions I think currently leads
the NFL. I think the fifteen touchdowns also leads the
NFL despite him missing two games. This is a big
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play quarterback, and we've all known that seeing him last season.
The exciting thing for me is that with the start
that he got off to last year and then how
steady he was down the stretch, if he can replicate that,
I mean, Jordan Love is trending in the right way,
especially as he's continually getting himself back into a rhythm.
What I loved about this game more than anything, though,
is it was another reminder, with the defense playing into
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this as well, that the Green Bay Packers can win
football games without being perfect. Offensively, they were not perfect.
Too many take away or too many giveaways, too many
three and outs, special teams not perfect. You had the
muff punt that it hits Corey Ballentain's leg ends up
being in a turnover. You had the situation late where
Jayden Reid ends up catching the ball a little too
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deep and they have to start deep within their own
ten yardland, their own five yard line. Certainly, as Matt
Orzek I believe told Jason Wilde after the game. The
snap wasn't where it needed to be. On the final
field goal attempt, Daniel Wheelan made it right, Brandon McManus
made the adjustment. They banged it through. So many different
guys were able to pull through for this football team.
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They didn't rupture, they didn't lapse, They were able to
continue pushing forward. These are the games I feel like,
especially when you're playing a five to one football team,
that you can learn the most from because Mike, they
didn't do this against the Minnesota Vikings. They didn't do
this in the opener against the Philadelphia Eagles. They did
this against the Texas. They found a way to get
that victory. And now as you press forward and cannot
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look past the Jacksonville Jaguars, you have to take care
of business this week, but they have another one in
two weeks on deck against the Detroit Lions. The stakes
are going to get higher more and more as you
press through this season. I feel like early crucibles like
this are the things that really galvanize a football team.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Yeah. Absolutely, And as much as there were all these
ups and downs on offense, you said it, there were
ups and downs on special teams as well. Because there
were the miscues on the punt returns. But man, what
Daniel Wheelan did both as a punter and as a
holder in this game. I mean five punts he averages
fifty eight yards gross, but more importantly fifty one yards net.
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I mean, if you're averaging fifty plus yards net, punting
when you have to punt that many times in a game,
that's where your punter is is significantly impacting field position.
I mentioned you know the three straight three and outs
when the Packers were backed up. Well, the Texans after
those three punts from the Packers being backed up, they
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didn't start any of those drives in front of their
own forty yard line. I believe it was like the
twenty five to thirty two and then thirty eight, and
the thirty eight at the end was the one where
then they put together their drive to get the field goal.
But though, when a punter is punting from the goal line,
you know with the snap putting him on the on
the goal line to kick the ball, teams are hoping
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to be able to get the ball the forty to
forty five to fifty. That didn't happen any of those
times when Wheelan was kicking and then with the hold
at the end, of course, everything goes perfectly smoothly with
the operation. When the Texans call the time out to
try to ice McManus right, everything is, everything is picture perfect.
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The kick is absolutely right down the middle, splits the uprights,
but then you have to do it again and uh
and Wheeland got a difficult snap there for McManus. It
wasn't the kick wasn't exactly right down the middle, but
it is obviously good hugging right inside the upright there
that that hold. Man, I mean, you and I were
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sitting next to each other in the press box and
both of us kind of what you know, when when
when we saw that snap, it.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Was to our end zone, you know, like that's the
one we're nearest to.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah, I mean we we had a we had a
perfect view of it, and it was it was oh boy,
you know. And uh, you can't give enough credit to
uh to Daniel wheel and he's he's a second year
punter who really just learned all the nuances and the
details and everything that go into whole for place kicks
last year as a rookie, and he looks like one
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of the best in the business. Right. I mean, it's
really been impressive what he's done.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
I say this all the time. It was one of
my big lines at Inbox today. I could not care
less where Daniel Wheeland ranks against other punters in the
National Football League. I don't know where his average or
his gross average net average punts inside the twenty. I
don't know where any of that stuff figures in. But
I've always held this maxim same thing with when Mason
Crosby was here. Mason Crosby was never a pro bowler,
and he had a couple down seasons, but for the
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most part improved throughout his career and was a real
stall work for them in that area. If you have
confidence in your specialists to fulfill the job, that's the
only thing that matters.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Yeah, you know, when you know you have your guy,
I mean, yes, he's not gonna you know, nobody's honor
percent perfect. There's going to be a couple of hiccups
here and there. But when you know you have your guy,
that puts everybody at ease. Everybody has the confidence that
the job is going to get done.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
And punting is so circumstantial too, because you can get
to the forty five yard line and then the I
has to punt and he's trying to pin him in
there for maybe thirty six yard net and that's going
to hurt your average Daniel Wheelan with his body type,
with his hands, with everything he brings to the party
here for the Packers, he has. While there's been all
this consternation over the kicking position the last year and
a half, Daniel Whelan has quietly settled the punting thing,
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which had been a rotating door for the last decade
at that position. Basically since Tim Massday was let go
in twenty sixteen, the Packers have been going through one
punter after the next. Yep, Daniel Wheelan's the guy. And
it's just been incredible to watch his maturation because it's
not that he just won the job and then okay,
well now you just roll with him. No. I mean,
this guy has become one of the real central characters
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of this football team with the way in which he's
affecting field position.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yeah, he had a field He's an anchor. He's an
anchor on this special teams unit. There's no question about that.
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Packers are five and two. The bad news is five
and two is only good for third place in the
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NFC North because the Detroit Lions squeaked it out against
the Minnesota Vikings in a wildly entertaining game. I mean,
I obviously wasn't watching it, but I watched the highlights
and I was kind of like, wow, did everybody get
their money's worth in that one? As well? Detroit beats
Minnesota on a late field goal after blowing an eleven
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point lead in the fourth quarter. Detroit is five and one,
Minnesota is five and one, Green Bay is five and two,
and the Chicago Bears, who were on their by this
past week, are four and two. There are if I
counted it, correctly Wes after Tampa Bay's loss on Monday
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Night Football to the Baltimore Ravens. I believe six of
the eight divisions in the NFL have a team with
at least five wins. There are two divisions that do not.
Do I have that right? What? Six? Six of the
eight yeah, yep, six of the eight have a team
with five wins five or more wins. My point is
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the NFC North is the only one with more than
one team with five wins, and the NFC North has three.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
And also the AFC North. Now because Baltimore went less.
Oh because Baltimore, Baltimore.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
That's the AFC. That's right, Because in the NFC they're
the only thing. Because that's right. Baltimore got its fifth win.
And Pittsburgh also have has five wins because they won
on Sunday Night full again, they ran through the Jets.
So two divisions in the NFL with multiple teams with
five plus but the NFC North has three teams with
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five plus wins this race for the division championship. The
Packers have played the Vikings and the Vikings got that win.
The Vikings have played the Lions and the Lions got
that win. Those are the only division games that have
been played so far. This race for the division title
is barely getting started.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I've heard so many good things about Cole Comet down
in Chicago, and I've and just watching him from Afar.
I've gained a lot of appreciation for the way he speaks,
obviously the way he plays, and it was really interesting.
On Monday, as the Bears are getting back from their
bye week, he met with the media and they were
asking him about the North and he said, yeah, I mean,
I'm not crazy about this. I mean, why would you be.
You don't You don't necessarily want to be in a
situation where you're you're having to be four and two
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and in fourth place right now. Yeah, But as he said,
these are also the games you want to play in.
These are this is the type of competition you want
to have, especially for a young team like that trying
to improve. It is going to be an absolute barn
burner to the finish line. I just don't think there's
gonna be any scenario in the next month that would
change that. There's gonna be so many division games in
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the NFC North that are going to really dictate not
only who's in the lead of this thing to try
to claiming that championship but also trying to get into
the playoffs there. So there's a lot that goes into that.
I felt the Detroit Minnesota game you mentioned the down
to the wire nature of that thing. One, I think
it worked out to green Bay's benefit the fact that
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Detroit won they got that zero finally off of the
Minnesota vikings. But two, it was another reminder that it
wasn't like Detroit or Minnesota played poorly. Both of those
teams did exactly what they've been doing. Jamiir Gibbs was
fantastic in that game. Jared Goff got off to another
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incredible start, twelve straight completions to start that game. Aaron
Jones came back from the hamstring injury to have a
very Aaron Jones type performance. Sam Darnold, with the exception
of one in was very efficient for them. Those teams
are good football teams, good well coached football teams, and
in the Packers are going to have their hands full
in two weeks against the Lions. But that being said,
the North is as difficult and as treacherous as everybody's
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making it out to be. There's just so many playmakers
in this division, and honestly, I think a part of
that Packers have been what they've been, But all these
teams have made really savvy offseason moves, whether it's the
drafting of the Chicago Bears, whether it's the Detroit Lions
with their process that they've been going through the last
four years, or Minnesota just completely overhauling the roster last season.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Yeah, and I think there's in some ways there's already
a lesson to be learned from the two division games
that have been played so far in the NFC North,
because we saw the Vikings get up twenty eight to
nothing on the Packers, where nothing was going right for
Green Bay, everything is going right for Minnesota, and then
the Packers make this furious comeback and end up losing
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by just two. Right then you look at how that
Lions Vikings game went on Sunday. The Vikings jump on
top ten to nothing in the early portion of the game.
The middle portion of the game, the Lions completely dominate
the Vikings by believe a twenty eight to seven count,
because then the score is twenty eight to seventeen heading
into the fourth quarter. Then the Vikings score twelve straight
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points to go ahead twenty nine to twenty eight, and
then the Lions sort of they had the ball last
kind of thing and end up getting in position to
make the field goal. And actually I saw I don't
know the details of it, but I saw some kind
of a headline that referred to if it hadn't been
for the Vikings getting the Vikings got the ball back
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with like fifteen seconds to go, and if it hadn't
been for some kind of a penalty on Minnesota, they
would have had they would have had a chance at
a sixty eight yard field legal formation, illegal formation, that's
what it was. They would have had a chance at
a sixty eight yard field goal. And apparently they were
going to let will Reikerd, the rookie kicker. They were
going to let him try it. They're in us, Yeah,
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they were going to let him try that, and it
didn't happen because then they ended up getting backed up
another five yards. But my point is we've seen two
NFC North Division games so far, and they've both been
just these back and forth kind of you know, wild
and crazy type of affairs. So whether it's you know,
the Lions and the Bears, the Packers and the Bears,
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the you know, Lions, and the Packers in a couple
of weeks. I think these are the kind of games
that we can expect in this division the rest of
the way.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
All these games are going to be in the second
half of the season too. Like I mentioned, I think
on the last show, the Lions and Packers are the
only one before Week ten. Now, so I mean you
will have had two three at that point division matchups
in the first nine weeks that the season. That's remarkable.
The Packers will have finished up against the AFC South
by the time they play their second NFC North team,
yeah Wi Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
And that last, that last AFC South team the Packers
have to play as the Jacksonville Jaguars. That will be
this week's upcoming opponent. We'll talk about them more on
our next show. You got anything, I'm not letting you
leave yet.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
One. We also got to make sure we talk about
the NFL Draft. We got to get that in. I do.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
I'm ready for that.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Before you do that, though, I need to mention one
last thing because when we transitioned to the segment the
first time, I wasn't completely done talking about this matchup
against the Houston Texas. So I'm going to give you
my three stars, my three underrated stars that we have
not discussed yet. We don't have to know, and I
just want to make sure, Oh this goes on. I
want to hear it now. Okay, Josh Jacobs had his
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first NFL receiving touchdown. The Packers had had that in
all week. They finally got it into play. He scores.
That was really cool and noteworthy, and then there was
some really nice banter back and forth about it being
whether he should keep the football, Tucker Craft giving it
to him, him wanting to give it to Jordan Love
because it was his fiftieth passing touchdown. We'll see where
that ends up happening. It was even more important, though,
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the fact that Josh Jacobs had twelve carries for seventy
six yards, the reversals, the end a rounds, the receiver stuff.
Houston was hipped to it, and the Packers stayed in
front of that. Though with how Josh Jacobs ran the football,
two Romeo Dobs bawled out on some day, eight catches
ninety four yards. I don't know if there was a
single one of them that wasn't meaningless. Every single one
of them, including on the final drive to set up
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the touchdown. Ye insane game by Rome and showed really
good hands throughout that. I mean again the possession receiver
that I think has become the Jordan Nelson, the DeVante
Adams to Jordan Love that Adams and Nelson were to Rogers. Lastly,
Stefan Diggs, for all the pomp and circumstance before the games,
had five catches for twenty three yards. I believe this
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was Bill Rabier who had mentioned this to me while
we were waiting to go in the locker room. I
believe it was in nine games he has like ten
touchdowns against Green Bay.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, he had had a streak. He had had a
streak of I believe it was eight consecutive games against
the Packers between his time with Minnesota obviously when he
was playing twice a year, and then also with Buffalo.
He had scored a touchdown against the Packers like eight
straight times and he didn't come close to one.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
On Nico Collins isn't on the field. That's a huge
loss for them. The Packers pressured CJ. Stroud constantly, but
I think that's a huge credit to jy R. Alexander.
It's a huge credit to Keishawn Nixon when he was
matched up in how Green Bay defended it. Could say
what you want about Jay R, but I'm telling you, man,
just guy is one heck of an NFL cornerback. Yeah
he is. That's it Now I'm done talking.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
No, that's okay. Sorry, I didn't let you get to
that stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
No, it was okay. We talked about a lot already.
There was a lot to discuss out of this game,
but it was just like, once we get to Thursday,
it's not gonna be able to discuss as much. Dobbs,
Jacobs and jah I felt like had three of the
most noteworthy performances without having an insane touchdown catch like
Tucker Kraft or you know, the TFLs and the sacks
and everything. It's just they were just so consistent. The
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Packers don't win this game without them. Yeah, absolutely, thank you.
I'll pay you in paper and coins.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
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Speaker 2 (26:06):
It's six months away, brou I know, unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
We have a lot to get through before then, but yeah,
you're right, it's only.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Six months away.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
It's only six months.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
When you get to advanced age like you and I like,
six months is not that far away. Like to a
fifteen year old, they'd be like, oh, that's like three
years away, dude. But I mean, like to me, it's
like we're gonna blink and that's gonna be here already.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yes, we are. We are gonna blink, So keep your
eyes open because we got a lot of football left
in twenty twenty four. Yeah, or you get to the
draft in twenty five. But with that, we'll call it
a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscript. You'd be
sure to follow all of our coverage of the team
on Packers dot com for Wes, I am Mike. Thank
you for tuning in everybody. We will see you next time.
Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from
Packers dot Com. I have Mike Spoffer, joined as always
by my partner in crime, Wes Honkowitz. We're coming to
you here from our studios at Lambeoufield to review a
down to the wire last second victory twenty four to
twenty two over the Houston Texans on Sunday at Lambeufield.
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The Packers have improved a five and two. There's a
lot of ground to cover with regard to this game West,
but I think the discussion from this one starts with
Jeff Haffley's defense, because while twenty two points is not
a number where you go, oh, the defense played great
when you watched what happened out there on the field,
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the defense played great.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
It did Mike, and it was one of the more creative, impressive,
and consistent performances I think we've seen from the Packers
defense this season. And I don't want to get hyperbolic
about it because I just got done with last week
saying okay, they only had two quarterback hits on Murray
and no sacks, but it was one of their best
pass rushing performances. I did feel like they built upon
that though they built upon it with their four man rush,
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they built upon it with some of their third down
blitz packages. And one other trend that some of the
guys were talking about after the game is Averra McKinney
among them is this idea, and it's a credit to
Brian Flores and the Vikings. They were the ones that
kind of started this thing of mugging up all these
defensive players and then sometimes sending four, sometimes sending seven,
sometimes dropping guys. You just never know what you're gonna get,
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and the quarterback has to be able to make sense
of everything. And I felt like this came in particular.
It wasn't just c J. Stroud. Their offensive line had
a hard time adjusting to those looks. It helped create
four tackles for a loss for Eric Wilson, two sacks,
and relief of an injured kway Walker. I think I
absolutely love what they're doing with Rashaun Gary. We talked
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about the need of trying to get him moving around
a little bit more, not just having him come off
the weak side, being able to kind of build upon
some of the traits that we talked about early in
his career with having some positional versatility on the line,
and then first and foremost they threw for eighty six yards.
And whether that's opposition being afraid of attacking the secondary
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now with having Xavier McKinney over the top of it,
whether it's just the time clock of the quarterback getting disrupted,
what have you. When you are limiting a quarterback, the
reigning NFL offensive rookie of the year to under fewer
than one hundred passing yards, you're doing something right defensively.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah, it was pretty impressive. I mean, Joe Mixon certainly
had his share of success. He ends up rushing for
over one hundred yards, and it was interesting how that
evolved because it felt like either the Packers were stacking
up Nixon Mixon excuse me, at the line of scrimmage,
or he was getting ten or twelve yards. There weren't
really a whole lot of just the four or five
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yard kind of mediocre runs. It was either they stuffed
him or he got an explosive, and through those combinations
he ends up with over one hundred yards. And the
Packers certainly had their challenge there. But you said it,
I mean, the reigning offensive rookie of the year in C. J.
Stroud comes into lambeau Field throws for only eighty six
passing yards. There's actually a net passing yards of like
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fifty some because of the four sacks that for like
minus thirty one and the quite frankly going through the
defensive film and I've got a lot of clips out
there on the third downs and by what you might
have missed piece for those who want to check that out.
The Houston Texans up front, their pass protection, the calls,
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the communication, whatever it was, they were just not on point.
The Packers were confusing them. The Packers were getting them
to hesitate, not quite sure you know who had whom,
you know what to do, and it just it led
to a lot of frustration for Stroud. Folks were talking
about how he tossed his helmet on the sideline and
you know, the Texans had the ball right at the
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beginning of the game at the eleven yard line after
an interception by Jordan Love and yet had to settle
for a field goal. They had a chance to, you know,
potentially put the game away at the end with a
first down in the red zone at the two minute warning,
forcing the Packers to use their timeouts on defense there
at the end, but the defense got back to back
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tackles for loss on Joe Mixon and forced the field
goal there. The Packers' defense had had multiple takeaways every
game through the first six games of the season, almost
equaling the number of takeaways from all of last regular season.
Not a single takeaway in this game, and this defense
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proved that it can succeed, it can play well, it
can cause problems for opponents, not just because of the takeaways,
but because of some of the other things that Jeff
Hafley is learning about his guys and learning how to
put them in certain positions to cause the offense problem.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
In my opinion, the Greevy Packers won this game. The
overcame that turnover deficit because of the situation going on
right now with being able to have the defensive front
getting after the quarterback the way they did. But beyond that,
third downs is huge. You have to be able to
contain the opposition in those moments. I think at one
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point the Texans were two of ten and the adversity
situation that the change of game situation. The defense really
thrived in those and I was talking to Kenny Clark
about this after the game, and as he said, when
you look at an NFL football game, okay, when you
are in a spot where you are stepping up and
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you can stop them. The only time it felt like
they were going to be able to score points is
when the position was already stacked in their favor. Yeah,
if they made the Texans drive, they felt like they
were getting the stop. So the one real I mean,
there was a stretch of I think four straight three
and oh it's at least three when they were able
to mount that challenge late in the Texans were able
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to get down the field the way they did, that's
when the offense stepped up. That's when Brandon McMahon stepped up.
I thought this game was a perfect example of different
phases lifting each other up at the right time. But
the backbone of all of it was the defense holding
court the way it did.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, you said it. Until the Texans final drive where
they kicked the field goal to take the lead with
just under two minutes to go to go, they had
only converted two third downs they got there. They got
two more third down conversions on that drive to end
up four out of thirteen in the game. But as
you said they were just two out of ten before
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that last drive, and whether and you know, it's another
potpoie of individuals stepping up at different times, right, whether
it's Evan Williams getting the stop on the two point
conversion when they tried to run Joe Mixon from the
one yard line, and again that was a two point
conversion from the one yard line because of a defensive
penalty that actually moved the ball closer. You mentioned Eric Wilson.
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He steps in for kway Walker, not only to play
the position, but to handle the communication, to wear the
green dot, to relay all the signals to everybody. And
Wilson not only keeps everybody defensively on the same page,
but with those those a gap looks and some of
that confusing stuff they were doing up front. He ends
up with two sacks, four tackles for loss, a pass
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deflection on third down that led to a punt. Edgar
and Cooper, we see in whatever role Jeff Hafley is
giving him, the rookie linebacker is making an impact when
he's out there. Some of this different pass rush stuff.
We saw Rashan Gary kind of getting cut loose a
little bit. He was getting some you know, some runs
at the quarterback because of the you know, the stunting
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and the looping around and trying to get creative in
that regard. So there was a lot a lot going
on defensively that the Texans really had trouble with. And hey,
it's a week to week league. Every game plan is
going to be different. You know, there are going to
be teams, I would say, like the Vikings a few
weeks ago, who are going to handle the Packers preuss
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your packages better than the Texans did. That's going to happen.
So then what are your counters, what are your answers,
what are the adjustments you're going to make to still
try to do things? And so that's where everything with
this defense will be continue to be an evolution going forward.
And on the offensive side, I guess just call it
an up and down roller coaster kind of day. You know.
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Jordan Love's touchdown passes to Tucker Craft and Dontavian Wicks
were absolutely incredible throws right on the money. Couldn't have
put it in a better spot. But he also threw
two interceptions obviously that he'd like to have back. The
offense in the second half was backed up three times
inside its own twenty yard line and went three and
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out and couldn't get a first down on three consecutive possessions.
So there were all of these ups and downs with
the offense. Fortunately, Love was able to put together that
two minute drive. Buck forty four on the clock, Packers
need a field goal to win. He completes four passes
for thirty nine yards. They get another five yards thanks
to a defensive offside and Brandon McManus, the new kicker,
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comes out to win the game and the Packers get
the five and two. But yet are looking at the
film on offense going, boy, we could have There's so
much more you know that the Packers could have done
in this game. So a lot to learn from. But
pulling out a game with a two minute drive right
at the end the way Jordan Love did, that's another
step forward for that young man at quarterback.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
It is. And as Matt Lafleur keeps saying, the superpower
of Jordan Love is always been able to move forward.
And whatever has happened, it happened, You flush it, you
move on to the next play. He doesn't allow those
things to affect him. Now, certainly you do need to
clean it up. The eight interceptions I think currently leads
the NFL. I think the fifteen touchdowns also leads the
NFL despite him missing two games. This is a big
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play quarterback, and we've all known that seeing him last season.
The exciting thing for me is that with the start
that he got off to last year and then how
steady he was down the stretch, if he can replicate that,
I mean, Jordan Love is trending in the right way,
especially as he's continually getting himself back into a rhythm.
What I loved about this game more than anything, though,
is it was another reminder, with the defense playing into
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this as well, that the Green Bay Packers can win
football games without being perfect. Offensively, they were not perfect.
Too many take away or too many giveaways, too many
three and outs, special teams not perfect. You had the
muff punt that it hits Corey Ballentain's leg ends up
being in a turnover. You had the situation late where
Jayden Reid ends up catching the ball a little too
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deep and they have to start deep within their own
ten yardland, their own five yard line. Certainly, as Matt
Orzek I believe told Jason Wilde after the game. The
snap wasn't where it needed to be. On the final
field goal attempt, Daniel Wheelan made it right, Brandon McManus
made the adjustment. They banged it through. So many different
guys were able to pull through for this football team.
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They didn't rupture, they didn't lapse, They were able to
continue pushing forward. These are the games I feel like,
especially when you're playing a five to one football team,
that you can learn the most from because Mike, they
didn't do this against the Minnesota Vikings. They didn't do
this in the opener against the Philadelphia Eagles. They did
this against the Texas. They found a way to get
that victory. And now as you press forward and cannot
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look past the Jacksonville Jaguars, you have to take care
of business this week, but they have another one in
two weeks on deck against the Detroit Lions. The stakes
are going to get higher more and more as you
press through this season. I feel like early crucibles like
this are the things that really galvanize a football team.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Yeah. Absolutely, And as much as there were all these
ups and downs on offense, you said it, there were
ups and downs on special teams as well. Because there
were the miscues on the punt returns. But man, what
Daniel Wheelan did both as a punter and as a
holder in this game. I mean five punts he averages
fifty eight yards gross, but more importantly fifty one yards net.
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I mean, if you're averaging fifty plus yards net, punting
when you have to punt that many times in a game,
that's where your punter is is significantly impacting field position.
I mentioned you know the three straight three and outs
when the Packers were backed up. Well, the Texans after
those three punts from the Packers being backed up, they
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didn't start any of those drives in front of their
own forty yard line. I believe it was like the
twenty five to thirty two and then thirty eight, and
the thirty eight at the end was the one where
then they put together their drive to get the field goal.
But though, when a punter is punting from the goal line,
you know with the snap putting him on the on
the goal line to kick the ball, teams are hoping
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to be able to get the ball the forty to
forty five to fifty. That didn't happen any of those
times when Wheelan was kicking and then with the hold
at the end, of course, everything goes perfectly smoothly with
the operation. When the Texans call the time out to
try to ice McManus right, everything is, everything is picture perfect.
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The kick is absolutely right down the middle, splits the uprights,
but then you have to do it again and uh
and Wheeland got a difficult snap there for McManus. It
wasn't the kick wasn't exactly right down the middle, but
it is obviously good hugging right inside the upright there
that that hold. Man, I mean, you and I were
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sitting next to each other in the press box and
both of us kind of what you know, when when
when we saw that snap, it.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Was to our end zone, you know, like that's the
one we're nearest to.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah, I mean we we had a we had a
perfect view of it, and it was it was oh boy,
you know. And uh, you can't give enough credit to
uh to Daniel wheel and he's he's a second year
punter who really just learned all the nuances and the
details and everything that go into whole for place kicks
last year as a rookie, and he looks like one
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of the best in the business. Right. I mean, it's
really been impressive what he's done.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
I say this all the time. It was one of
my big lines at Inbox today. I could not care
less where Daniel Wheeland ranks against other punters in the
National Football League. I don't know where his average or
his gross average net average punts inside the twenty. I
don't know where any of that stuff figures in. But
I've always held this maxim same thing with when Mason
Crosby was here. Mason Crosby was never a pro bowler,
and he had a couple down seasons, but for the
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most part improved throughout his career and was a real
stall work for them in that area. If you have
confidence in your specialists to fulfill the job, that's the
only thing that matters.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Yeah, you know, when you know you have your guy,
I mean, yes, he's not gonna you know, nobody's honor
percent perfect. There's going to be a couple of hiccups
here and there. But when you know you have your guy,
that puts everybody at ease. Everybody has the confidence that
the job is going to get done.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
And punting is so circumstantial too, because you can get
to the forty five yard line and then the I
has to punt and he's trying to pin him in
there for maybe thirty six yard net and that's going
to hurt your average Daniel Wheelan with his body type,
with his hands, with everything he brings to the party
here for the Packers, he has. While there's been all
this consternation over the kicking position the last year and
a half, Daniel Whelan has quietly settled the punting thing,
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which had been a rotating door for the last decade
at that position. Basically since Tim Massday was let go
in twenty sixteen, the Packers have been going through one
punter after the next. Yep, Daniel Wheelan's the guy. And
it's just been incredible to watch his maturation because it's
not that he just won the job and then okay,
well now you just roll with him. No. I mean,
this guy has become one of the real central characters
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of this football team with the way in which he's
affecting field position.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yeah, he had a field He's an anchor. He's an
anchor on this special teams unit. There's no question about that.
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and two is only good for third place in the
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NFC North because the Detroit Lions squeaked it out against
the Minnesota Vikings in a wildly entertaining game. I mean,
I obviously wasn't watching it, but I watched the highlights
and I was kind of like, wow, did everybody get
their money's worth in that one? As well? Detroit beats
Minnesota on a late field goal after blowing an eleven
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point lead in the fourth quarter. Detroit is five and one,
Minnesota is five and one, Green Bay is five and two,
and the Chicago Bears, who were on their by this
past week, are four and two. There are if I
counted it, correctly Wes after Tampa Bay's loss on Monday
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Night Football to the Baltimore Ravens. I believe six of
the eight divisions in the NFL have a team with
at least five wins. There are two divisions that do not.
Do I have that right? What? Six? Six of the
eight yeah, yep, six of the eight have a team
with five wins five or more wins. My point is
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the NFC North is the only one with more than
one team with five wins, and the NFC North has three.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
And also the AFC North. Now because Baltimore went less.
Oh because Baltimore, Baltimore.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
That's the AFC. That's right, Because in the NFC they're
the only thing. Because that's right. Baltimore got its fifth win.
And Pittsburgh also have has five wins because they won
on Sunday Night full again, they ran through the Jets.
So two divisions in the NFL with multiple teams with
five plus but the NFC North has three teams with
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five plus wins this race for the division championship. The
Packers have played the Vikings and the Vikings got that win.
The Vikings have played the Lions and the Lions got
that win. Those are the only division games that have
been played so far. This race for the division title
is barely getting started.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I've heard so many good things about Cole Comet down
in Chicago, and I've and just watching him from Afar.
I've gained a lot of appreciation for the way he speaks,
obviously the way he plays, and it was really interesting.
On Monday, as the Bears are getting back from their
bye week, he met with the media and they were
asking him about the North and he said, yeah, I mean,
I'm not crazy about this. I mean, why would you be.
You don't You don't necessarily want to be in a
situation where you're you're having to be four and two
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and in fourth place right now. Yeah, But as he said,
these are also the games you want to play in.
These are this is the type of competition you want
to have, especially for a young team like that trying
to improve. It is going to be an absolute barn
burner to the finish line. I just don't think there's
gonna be any scenario in the next month that would
change that. There's gonna be so many division games in
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the NFC North that are going to really dictate not
only who's in the lead of this thing to try
to claiming that championship but also trying to get into
the playoffs there. So there's a lot that goes into that.
I felt the Detroit Minnesota game you mentioned the down
to the wire nature of that thing. One, I think
it worked out to green Bay's benefit the fact that
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Detroit won they got that zero finally off of the
Minnesota vikings. But two, it was another reminder that it
wasn't like Detroit or Minnesota played poorly. Both of those
teams did exactly what they've been doing. Jamiir Gibbs was
fantastic in that game. Jared Goff got off to another
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incredible start, twelve straight completions to start that game. Aaron
Jones came back from the hamstring injury to have a
very Aaron Jones type performance. Sam Darnold, with the exception
of one in was very efficient for them. Those teams
are good football teams, good well coached football teams, and
in the Packers are going to have their hands full
in two weeks against the Lions. But that being said,
the North is as difficult and as treacherous as everybody's
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making it out to be. There's just so many playmakers
in this division, and honestly, I think a part of
that Packers have been what they've been, But all these
teams have made really savvy offseason moves, whether it's the
drafting of the Chicago Bears, whether it's the Detroit Lions
with their process that they've been going through the last
four years, or Minnesota just completely overhauling the roster last season.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Yeah, and I think there's in some ways there's already
a lesson to be learned from the two division games
that have been played so far in the NFC North,
because we saw the Vikings get up twenty eight to
nothing on the Packers, where nothing was going right for
Green Bay, everything is going right for Minnesota, and then
the Packers make this furious comeback and end up losing
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by just two. Right then you look at how that
Lions Vikings game went on Sunday. The Vikings jump on
top ten to nothing in the early portion of the game.
The middle portion of the game, the Lions completely dominate
the Vikings by believe a twenty eight to seven count,
because then the score is twenty eight to seventeen heading
into the fourth quarter. Then the Vikings score twelve straight
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points to go ahead twenty nine to twenty eight, and
then the Lions sort of they had the ball last
kind of thing and end up getting in position to
make the field goal. And actually I saw I don't
know the details of it, but I saw some kind
of a headline that referred to if it hadn't been
for the Vikings getting the Vikings got the ball back
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with like fifteen seconds to go, and if it hadn't
been for some kind of a penalty on Minnesota, they
would have had they would have had a chance at
a sixty eight yard field legal formation, illegal formation, that's
what it was. They would have had a chance at
a sixty eight yard field goal. And apparently they were
going to let will Reikerd, the rookie kicker. They were
going to let him try it. They're in us, Yeah,
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they were going to let him try that, and it
didn't happen because then they ended up getting backed up
another five yards. But my point is we've seen two
NFC North Division games so far, and they've both been
just these back and forth kind of you know, wild
and crazy type of affairs. So whether it's you know,
the Lions and the Bears, the Packers and the Bears,
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the you know, Lions, and the Packers in a couple
of weeks. I think these are the kind of games
that we can expect in this division the rest of
the way.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
All these games are going to be in the second
half of the season too. Like I mentioned, I think
on the last show, the Lions and Packers are the
only one before Week ten. Now, so I mean you
will have had two three at that point division matchups
in the first nine weeks that the season. That's remarkable.
The Packers will have finished up against the AFC South
by the time they play their second NFC North team,
yeah Wi Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
And that last, that last AFC South team the Packers
have to play as the Jacksonville Jaguars. That will be
this week's upcoming opponent. We'll talk about them more on
our next show. You got anything, I'm not letting you
leave yet.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
One. We also got to make sure we talk about
the NFL Draft. We got to get that in. I do.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
I'm ready for that.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Before you do that, though, I need to mention one
last thing because when we transitioned to the segment the
first time, I wasn't completely done talking about this matchup
against the Houston Texas. So I'm going to give you
my three stars, my three underrated stars that we have
not discussed yet. We don't have to know, and I
just want to make sure, Oh this goes on. I
want to hear it now. Okay, Josh Jacobs had his
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first NFL receiving touchdown. The Packers had had that in
all week. They finally got it into play. He scores.
That was really cool and noteworthy, and then there was
some really nice banter back and forth about it being
whether he should keep the football, Tucker Craft giving it
to him, him wanting to give it to Jordan Love
because it was his fiftieth passing touchdown. We'll see where
that ends up happening. It was even more important, though,
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the fact that Josh Jacobs had twelve carries for seventy
six yards, the reversals, the end a rounds, the receiver stuff.
Houston was hipped to it, and the Packers stayed in
front of that. Though with how Josh Jacobs ran the football,
two Romeo Dobs bawled out on some day, eight catches
ninety four yards. I don't know if there was a
single one of them that wasn't meaningless. Every single one
of them, including on the final drive to set up
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the touchdown. Ye insane game by Rome and showed really
good hands throughout that. I mean again the possession receiver
that I think has become the Jordan Nelson, the DeVante
Adams to Jordan Love that Adams and Nelson were to Rogers. Lastly,
Stefan Diggs, for all the pomp and circumstance before the games,
had five catches for twenty three yards. I believe this
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was Bill Rabier who had mentioned this to me while
we were waiting to go in the locker room. I
believe it was in nine games he has like ten
touchdowns against Green Bay.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, he had had a streak. He had had a
streak of I believe it was eight consecutive games against
the Packers between his time with Minnesota obviously when he
was playing twice a year, and then also with Buffalo.
He had scored a touchdown against the Packers like eight
straight times and he didn't come close to one.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
On Nico Collins isn't on the field. That's a huge
loss for them. The Packers pressured CJ. Stroud constantly, but
I think that's a huge credit to jy R. Alexander.
It's a huge credit to Keishawn Nixon when he was
matched up in how Green Bay defended it. Could say
what you want about Jay R, but I'm telling you, man,
just guy is one heck of an NFL cornerback. Yeah
he is. That's it Now I'm done talking.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
No, that's okay. Sorry, I didn't let you get to
that stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
No, it was okay. We talked about a lot already.
There was a lot to discuss out of this game,
but it was just like, once we get to Thursday,
it's not gonna be able to discuss as much. Dobbs,
Jacobs and jah I felt like had three of the
most noteworthy performances without having an insane touchdown catch like
Tucker Kraft or you know, the TFLs and the sacks
and everything. It's just they were just so consistent. The
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Packers don't win this game without them. Yeah, absolutely, thank you.
I'll pay you in paper and coins.
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Speaker 2 (26:06):
It's six months away, brou I know, unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
We have a lot to get through before then, but yeah,
you're right, it's only.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Six months away.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
It's only six months.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
When you get to advanced age like you and I like,
six months is not that far away. Like to a
fifteen year old, they'd be like, oh, that's like three
years away, dude. But I mean, like to me, it's
like we're gonna blink and that's gonna be here already.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yes, we are. We are gonna blink, So keep your
eyes open because we got a lot of football left
in twenty twenty four. Yeah, or you get to the
draft in twenty five. But with that, we'll call it
a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscript. You'd be
sure to follow all of our coverage of the team
on Packers dot com for Wes, I am Mike. Thank
you for tuning in everybody. We will see you next time.
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