January 10, 2024 • 51 mins
Longtime Seahawks quarterback Dave Krieg is the latest guest to sit down with Jim Zorn and Steve Raible. Today’s show: Dave Krieg’s journey to Seattle (04:08), NFL head coaches from the early Seahawks days (10:05), how Dave lasted so long in the NFL (13:49), Dave’s best play in the NFL (18:15), Dave’s game-winning pass to Paul Skansi (23:03), Dave Krieg’s nickname (33:00), what Dave is up to now (39:51), Sam Adkins played a huge role in his career (43:37), and relationships developed in Seattle (45:23).
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Seahawks stories, teaking you behind the scenes
with your favorite Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Set back to behind, Zorn, who's back to pass as
time looks for the left sideline, throws a bomb down
there he's got a.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Man in front.
Speaker 4 (00:12):
He makes to grab a travel It's a thirty down
of the twenty.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Don't ever get him. He scores touched.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Out Seahawks powered by Seahawks dot.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Com and Zorn later in perfectly a Rabel who goes
in to score on an eighty yard pass and run play.
Speaker 5 (00:25):
Now, here's your host, the voice of the Seahawks, Steve
Raebol and Seahawks legend Jim Zorn.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
What another treat? We have another Ring of Honor member.
And before we even get to it, and Dave Craig.
Speaker 6 (00:43):
Is our guest, today's ee, how are you? Happy New Year?
Everybody happy? N NASA are the producer and Dave of course,
happy New Year to you.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
And before you say anything, I just want to tell you, yes,
we had to search along and hard to find a
highlight of me and we decided and we decided to
use it. I'm going to say that before you say it.
Thanks for coming on.
Speaker 6 (01:02):
It's great to have you.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Yeah, good to be on rage and any highlight you
can give it is a is a big deal. I
appreciate that. That's true.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yes, we Z always shakes his head when we when
we play that play because it was listen at that time.
It was of course it was still the first year
of the franchise, but it was the longest touchdown pass
in franchise history. It lasted about six more months.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Let me let me ask you not only.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
That race, excuse me a second, but you know I
got the play Jim was starting. I got you were
one of the best preseason receivers around for a couple
of years. I mean, if they had a preseason like that, preseason,
I'll poting you would have bet on because you were
better and and you could play special teams. I mean,
you were like a fantasy football player's green as a
preseason player. You know when I when I give an accolade.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
You are right on.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
And when I got into the league, I actually started
with the Dallas Cowboys, and when I go to practice,
I'd walk up to the line of screamage. You'd be
my rep in training camp and just like Dave saying,
preseason and Drew Pearson would be out there and I'd
look and then he would step back and let the
other guy step forward. He wouldn't he wouldn't run a
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pattern for me. Were you like that with with Dave
when he was.
Speaker 6 (02:16):
The first telling But you know what's interesting.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
I'm not going to catch a pass. Hey, somebody else
go and.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
You you quarterbacks can can tell me tell more about this.
But when your backups, you know, I obviously I backed
up Steve and Sam, but so you start to kind
of develop a little more of a of a relationship
on the field and practice field with that backup quarterback
like Sam and I and Dave. Sure, you know, when
you got to got in there and got your reps,
(02:43):
I always thought that was interesting because, let's face it,
you needed to get the most reps, Jim, because you
were throwing the ball to Sam and and to Steve
in large measure and and.
Speaker 6 (02:52):
That was okay.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
But it always it always reminded me that, hey, these
other quarterbacks are really good too, because you know, I
get a chance to work with them maybe a little more.
That's right, Dave, when you were when you got here
nineteen eighty right, nineteen eighty rookie free agent. Yes, out
of Milton College. You're I know you've told this story
a million times, but kind of your first thoughts. Did
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your coach kind of sent some videotape in and you
had a chance to come here.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
And real quickly? Yeah, yeah, he knew a guy named
Joe Schmid I think was with the Lions and then hit.
That's how he met Dick Mansburger, and Dick Mansburger happened
to be the head of player personnel there, so they
sent two tannisers up home. I'm sure there was spliced
together at five or six different times with tape. And
according to Jerry Romer Howard Mutt, it depends who you
talked to. They both say that they looked at it
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and think he could make it. So he looked at
it and said, call my coach up and we run
the library field playing coach football at the time, and
with the quarter barrel of beer, and the guy says,
come on, Dan, you gotta do in here. You gotta
do in here. The Seahawk's on the phone, and I'm like, yeah,
right right, I told this kid, yet out he kept
playing in the coach you guys get in there on this
(04:02):
phone call and then they said to get on a plane.
Of course, that was the very first time I'd ever
got on an airplane.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Is there a better story? I mean, when it really
Jim is shaking his head. No, there's not a better
story when it comes to a kid coming out of
a small college that nobody really gave much of a
chance to because mostly nobody knew about him, and yet
to come into the league and then play nineteen years
in the National Football League. It's amazing, Jim, you played
the same position I think for Dave.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
When I saw Dave, it actually has stuck with me
all throughout through my coaching career as well as I
look for guys that are accurate and can complete passes,
you know, can you hit what you're throwing? And Dave
was one of those guys. He was very accurate passer.
Maybe he didn't have the strongest arm in the league,
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but didn't need to because he could anticipate and he
could throw the ball in a position that the receiver
could catch it and stay away from that defender.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
You know, Dave, Dave, you you were described as kind
of a gym rat kind of guy.
Speaker 6 (05:06):
Is that how you would describe yourself as you just.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
You love it certainly, Yes, yes, I mean by the
time I was five years old, I remember watching the
Green Bay Packers. They had Vince Lombardi and Bart Starr
and Jim Taylor and really would her batterly. So I'm
watching the dang best of the best on black and
white TV every Sunday. So then I then I'll go
out and visualize even before it was a popular thing,
(05:30):
and I'd get a bunch of kids together and I said,
we're going to run this play because that's why I
saw him do on TV, whereas my dad would say,
come on Star whatever. And then I played basketball. Was
bossball season, you know, Louel Singer was there. Now he's
Kareem M do it bar. So I was always playing
basketball and then baseball. I think that's where I got
my accuracy from Jim's baseball. Really like I'm playing baseball.
But I loved playing sports. I just loved it.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
So you did more than just fish were growing up that.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yes, yes, I mean, remember they had that place up
in Kirkland. We got the new place and we would
go up there and have some of the most hellacious
competitive basketball games ever. Shimon Smith was up there, and
Kenny Easley and Jake and Terry Taylor and we were
just competing. So we go practice little training camp football
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like in the summer, like workoffs, and go up there.
So there was a lot of gym rats that were
on our team. But I loved sports man. I love
football with no I love football so much. Jim's got
it right. I mean I would have done anything to
play football.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
When when you got there, Dave as a as a
rookie free agent, a quarterback, and you know we got it.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
Was stony still. There was Steve Meyer still there.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, yes, yes, had the band back I think, but
but you still had Sam and Jim. So what did
you think when you got to Cheenie and you look,
here's a quarterback room and this is the National Football League?
Did you think to yourself, Dave, Hey, if I work hard,
I can make this team. Or wow, this is this is.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
You're forgetting Matt Cooper. You're forgetting Matt Kopeck. Dave, there
was two three other guys in front of me. There's
a training camp pitcher. We had this guy Jim that
was my uncle was Johnny Kye. Everybody's looking over aught
him up a genie and you can see number seventeen.
I'm up on my tiptoes looking it was my rookie year,
and I'm like, that's how I was looking like to
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get a job. So I was a seventh string guy.
I didn't know really who Jim Zorn was, and I
never knew who Steve large was till I saw him,
and I'm going, that's Steve Largent. Like he's five to
ten with that apro.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Matchie, yeah, matching his wife Terry's apro.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Yeah, yeah, yes, I mean that's all I really knew.
And then practice was just to me. Nobody out there
ever said, oh, that's the kid from Milton. Nobody. Once
you get in the NFL, they don't care if you
come from Saying Quentin or Milton. As long as you
can play.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
That's right. Hey, was let me ask you a question.
Was Mike I.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Played with some guys that should have been in San Quentin.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Was was Mike Tye? Was Mike Tye already on the
team when you when you got in?
Speaker 3 (08:02):
No? No, no, no, no, oh that's so funny. He
came in next year and they said he was a
quarterback from Maryland. I said, you go to I was
on this podcast. I would laugh. I said, you play
quarterbacks at Maryland?
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Oh my god, we large and I went.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
He came in.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
We went to a mini camp.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
They had a rookie mini camp, and here's Mike Tice
in the camp and he's a quarterback, just like and
just like Dave saying he was quarterback. That's this is
the best, the best of the best that you can get. Honestly,
he couldn't throw the ball about thirty.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Yards and you know, he just literally threw like so
or you know, my daughter Coley could throw like that,
you know, basically.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
But wasn't he an inspiration then? I mean you think
about what he did, yeah, and what uh you know,
and what he accomplished after that. I didn't know that
he came in, yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
No, no no doubt, yeah, no doubt about it. I
have much respect. I know Mike's family and all that,
because mom and dad. But it's still hilarious that he
was actually a quarterback. But I'll tell you another bear story.
Do you want to talk about stories? I thought about
this just about four or five years ago. Randall Borris
was a tennis Tennessee quarterback, a quarterback and then he
came into the NFL to play running back. That's even
(09:22):
more difficult because you know you're going up there and
getting hit every time, even in practice, you know. So
that's another guy that was a good inspirational story. But tays, Yeah,
he played tight end, then I need to catch passes,
and he'd get a little pete talk about him. Man.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
You know, that's interesting you say that Randall was a
QB at Tennessee because we had Sherman on last week
and another quarterback and we drafted Think about this, We
drafted Sherman as a wide receiver and then he became
a running back.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
Happy.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Yeah, but she was one of those guys. He could
have played any position. She was when I ended my
career in my last two years, Shearman Smith, who I
started my career with, was my running backs coach with
the Tennessee Titan. That was so funny.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Oh yeah, that is funny when you think about this
for a second, Dave. We played with guys we mentioned
Mike tye Uh and Jim Zorn, guys who played their
positions well when they were here. They were teammates with us,
and they went on to become head coaches in the
National Football League. I mean, that's that's pretty remarkable that
you and I.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
This a slap at me like that, what happened to you?
How come you do become a head? No?
Speaker 6 (10:31):
No, not at all.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
No, it's a it's a it's a it's kudos to
those guys, to Jim and to Mike and how you know,
guys can play their entire career and and not have
that kind of connection. And here we got a couple
of guys that came out of that, that whole process
with the early Seahawks.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
League coaches, and that.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Would be a testament. I would say to Jack, Mike McCormick,
and Chuck Knox to help play the groundwork for Jim,
and I suppose Mike and also Mike to learn the
West Coast offense. Jim, you should tell people what it's
late to go home from. I write Action Past twenty
five strong to twenty two Texas. You know what I mean?
Like when I got when I got to the West
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Coast offense, I'm like, Whyn't not a car like this?
I was running learn how to drive? What the hell
is this? I was six thirty six. We didn't change
a prop from nineteen eighty to nineteen whatever. It was like.
I got there. I got there, I said, oh my gosh,
they from the three step drop, they from the five
step drop. And after I got I'm doing all that,
(11:31):
they go, We're gonna bring in Jill Montana. I'm like,
why the hell did I do all that? You're bringing?
But what an offense that was, Jim, Oh my gosh,
I should have stayed there. And you want to talk
about other place, you know, as when we were talking
about places Detroit. Imagine this is for an offense. They
had Kevin Glover, Dave Lukes, three or four of the
guys that were all pro offense line, and then they
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had Barry Sanders, Herman Moore, Johnny Morton.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
I was there.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
I was there with Jo with Jamo, I was there
with UH, with Herman Moore. I was there with UH,
with Barry, with Barry.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yeah, and I remember, and I think I said this, Jim,
do not.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Agree that Helond Moore was a great, great receiver.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Yes, but he he run He ran the best fade
stop of any of any receiver I've ever been around.
And Johnny Morton was actually pretty good inside as well
as playing outside.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
But yeah, Herman Moore was very, very good. He was
limited on some of the routes that he could run.
But uh man, that's that fade stop was was something
else where.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
He'd run a go round a minute.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I'm gonna get I'm gonna give Harmon Moore some better
credit that man. So I first time I got a
chance to throw them. Scott Mitchell's there, he gets hurt
against the book the comedy Student against Mike homegrin. Mike
always reminds me of this, and and his wife gat
us up by like seventeen points, and then I go on,
guy hurt his ankle and that funny, and I go
in there in a halftime and we come up. We
scored like twenty one points just knowing out ross from
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the inside slot receiver. But Herman Moore, if I threw
a hissed to him, Jim, he could reach his hands
out almost take a Mega John, extend his hands and
catch the ball of his hands. He was sixth floor.
He jumped seven to at the University of Virginia. He
could run in russ he could run fades. You could
throw the ball up to him and he could catch.
He was like a Dale turner even more athletic.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Yeah, he was a vacuum cleaner outside.
Speaker 6 (13:24):
He really was.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
For those folks who don't remember, and I hadn't remembered
Dave the Lions, but Dave Craig Seahawks, Kansas City Chiefs,
Detroit Lions, Arizona Cardinals, Chicago Bears, Tennessee Oilers, three time
Pro bowler, I mean, obviously in the ring of honor,
a varied career. Again, as we talked about, from a
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guy from a small college, what was it, Dave that
propelled you to have such a great career, such a
long lasting career in the national football Do you think
it was fear?
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Fear I'm going to tell you right now, simple feel
as a motivator, Heck yeah, feel. I don't want to
go back to Wisconsin and working in the paper miller
for Roat Router Number one, when you go to another team,
When you go to another team, it doesn't matter what
you did, because you have to go there and prove
yourself all over again. So now you're fearful of can
I live up to this? So it makes you even more.
(14:21):
It just I always like to have a chip on
my shoulders, some type of thing, you know, when it
was in high school, there was always this other kid
that was a guard to trying to play quarterback, and
it was you know, I always there. But in football
you have to go prove yourself. That's what people don't understand.
When backup quarterbacks go somewhere, they got to learn a
whole new terminology, vernacular. It's all the same, but they
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call it different things, and you got to learn all that,
and then you got to learn the defense of how
they call it. Then you got to prove to your
teammates that now you're just studying quarterback. You other got
to just look that you had all the paint and
you've got to be as good, if not better than him,
but still be authentically natural at the same time.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Yeah, and that's what's really unique about one of the
unique traits that Dave had when he played.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Is the ability.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
And I think it's really hard to be in one
place learn a system, go to another place. You're not
just learning the different vocabulary. There is a different concept
as well out there on that offense and what they're
trying to do, but you also have to learn what
they're calling defenses and nuances of coverages that one coach
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may see a little bit differently than the other, and hey,
we don't want to attack here, we want to attack here.
But you, when you were at the other place, you
attacked the other side. And for him to be able
to do that, you got to think that's pretty special
to be able to flip all that in your mind
and then make it work, and then believe in it
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and make the other your teammates around you believe in
it as well. Wouldn't you say, those are some things
that you had to do to make it work for you.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Dave certainly, certainly learning all that stuff. But then he
going back to the rags question a little bit too. Then.
Also the more I go back home, the more I
see my buddies, they ever talk about football. But I
do know that when I played, when we went to Milwaukee,
you're played in Green Bay or Chicago, somewhere near. All
my friends would be there, So I was playing for
them too, because not many guys come from Russall Wisconsin
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up there. I'm playing in the NFL. You know, It's
just it's it's very rare. So also I played for
my friends and the guys from Milan. The school closed
down and then like I said, man, I love playing
football so much. I love if you got to do gassers,
I'd help the linemen try to get Come on, let's
go to make everybody better. I mean it was a
shock to me when I first came there and they
smoked cigarettes in the locker room. I'm like, surely you
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can't wait till later on. I'm like, winning has to
be like there's somewhere both marbles and Chesterfield one hundred.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Now, hey, David, who did you Who did you hang
with when you were on the Seahawk team? Like who
do you remember?
Speaker 3 (16:55):
My first year? Oh?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah, just who were you?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
There? Was there a guy named Jeff cd raves Jeff.
Speaker 6 (17:02):
CB Jeff C.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Yes, yes, yes, I shoved that. No, No, I shouldn't
hung around with him, but I did a couple of nights,
and then most of the time it was Shank and
Mini and we didn't go out much. I don't remember.
I remember, oh Bick minor Greg Johnson?
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Aren't you around? Uh another off? Yeah, yeah you were
so Shank Shank why.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
I think he came from a small college state.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
I think that's what I thought too.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
I think he was an All American wrestler, All American
Tackle Park at grind Valley State. You want to talk
about a guy that loved and wanted to play football.
He would run. He was drafted in the fourth of
fifth roun by the Sea. He put his vest on.
He was constantly getting in shape. That's the first guy
I met on my second airplane ride ever was Ron.
I think I saw him. I was like, are you
going to sail to Holy Krsher? All this big? You know,
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he's six foot eight two and eighty and no fault.
I'm like, holy question. I'm like, I just see it
from because you're bigger than all these guys. And then
another one. He's fast. For all, he was fast, he
could do all this stuff, and he was a wrestler.
Became we became like best friends.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
You know, all right, David, I'm gonna put you on
the spot. Give me a couple of what you would
consider the best your best play. And you know it
may not be a touchdown throw, but when when you
look back at your career, you said, man, that was
something I was really proud of that particular play.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
Give me a couple of those.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Any team, Well, oh shoot, okay, I'll tell you one
real smart one you'd really like this. I was at
the lines and we played every year they played Thanksgiving Day,
and I would get text from Joel Montana and the
guys and the Chiefs because they saw that I took
over for Mitchell and all the coach had done good.
And now I'm on Thanksgiving the football so the coach,
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I'm more. And Dave, older guy, Jim Dave, he just
passed away to uh the Lion's offensive from Alliance.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Oh Dave, I'm more.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
And day anyway, he called the plane. He goes, we're
gonna run a free flicker. So you know, we got
Barry Sanders, so many things. You're gonna hand off the
ball of Barry Sanders. So I'm gonna HNT. But he says,
if you see this coverage, don't do it. So I
kind of I kind of got better. If there was
a time when I was my second year, Jim, you'll
appreciate this. Jerry Rum calls Jay zero and whatever the
outroutes are sure, And so as I dropped back, I
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handed the ball off whoever the running back was, and
then it got fumbled and I go to the sidel
and he goes, what were you doing? I said, I
forgot it was a play action passes. You better get
your head out of here, he goes, you better get
your head. You guys are laughing. I mean I had
a lot of funny things happened to me. I go
to sea. He says, you better get your head. You
better get your head out of your beat or you
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won't be here very long. And that was my second year.
We were playing on in the Rams down in the preseason.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Tell me this were you? Uh, what years were you?
Speaker 3 (19:57):
I'm not doing my sport, Jim Jim, Jim Jim. I'm
just finishing.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
So tell me about Barry.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Tell me about he made he may ever receive her
better because they're always if they had there. What's in
the box? You're throwing it ninety four? Oh my gosh,
you ran for two thousand hours. The next year. That
was the most incredible human being to play with, Like
sitting in his locker next Dame and Eric went and
he would just sit there like he just you know,
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just did nothing, like he just went one hundred and
eighty yards, the most humble guy. And his dad introduced him.
I went to the Hall of Fame. When he got introduced,
his dad said, I to introduced you in the second
best running back into Hall of Fame because his dad,
he said, Jim Brown was the best. This is the
second first one. So anyway, we're playing the Bills thanks
to Living Big Game, and sure enough they have this
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coverage on the Califinn I want to throw a touchdown pass,
so we run the play. Sure enough, he says, let's
run it again. I'm like, okay, so the second player
we do the three flock that we score lot. Isn't
that crazy?
Speaker 6 (20:54):
Yeah, so you're going to do it?
Speaker 3 (20:56):
And then we did run it twice.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
Who'd you throw to twice?
Speaker 3 (21:00):
The first place the cover the first place that they
were in cover too, so we couldn't do it.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
So who who'd you throw it to?
Speaker 3 (21:07):
You remember Herman Moore? Herman Hermon Moore.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
All right, I got one for you.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
And then there was a game winning that raves. You
must have broadcast this more. Imagine this. They're telling you
before the game or maybe before a pregame war. I'm saying,
want to tell me too far ahead? Just like when
I first started. They didn't tell me to the day
of the game. Chuck says, we're gonna Chuck says, we're
gonna throw a bomb on the first play, and that's
not something you normally want to hear it right away.
We win the coin toss, We're to throw a bomb
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in in Denver, first playing game. No no cadence like
red set, no sound, all that stuff. Goose Berg Bliss
dropped back about five gods high as far as I can.
They'll turner runs under it. First play the games goes
eighty yard touchdown.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
Do you remember that one? Like it was yesterday and
a great.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
That was crazy. I mean, you just hit an outstand
outstretched hands and big long legs. That's one guy. I
wish now that I'm a little bit more mature and
older and see things.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
I can, I can actually wish Dave.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
I wish I could have helped there at a little bit.
He was an awesome, awesome receiver, and I could have
spent more time on helping him to get better, But
I was trying to get better myself at the same time.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
Dave, he was one of the only guys I think,
on our on in my experience, nobody knew how fast
he was. They like, we never really had a forty
time on him or something.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Do you do you?
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Yeah, I didn't. I mean he could. He didn't care
about one against Lester, Like didn't even phase him. Like, No,
he just wanted to go play and catch the ball.
We should utilize him a little bit more. That's what
I'm trying to.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Say to Okay, my Dave Craig play. And of course
I'm jaded because it's with the Seahawks and I know
you had great plays with a lot of other teams.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Well, it's the only get your guests only get two.
I thought you said just name a few, and you
just gave me two. And are you gonna cut me off?
Speaker 2 (22:53):
No, I'm going to give you another chance, but I'm
gonna do I'm going to do my pipe before you
start again, because I may not get another word in
edgewise the way this is going. But it was you
had had a really tough day against Thomas the linebacker
at Kansas City, and I think you got sacked like
seven times. And they weren't you know, I mean, guys
(23:15):
were just it was like he was just running over everybody.
It didn't matter who was blocking him. But he was
in the backfield almost before you got the ball. And
the eighth one that you avoided him and threw the
game winning touchdown to Paul Scanzy. Was is for me,
one of the most memorable plays. And I wasn't doing
play by play then Pete was. But I just remember
how crazy exciting that was, that finish and uh and
(23:38):
you made it happen by avoiding the eighth and then
throwing a dart.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
And then a year or two later on teammates with
Derek and Marty. And by the way, they used to
have Bill kaher was on their staff, Herman Edwards was
on their staff, Marty Schottenneimer Marty's but they had they
were one of the best defenses, I mean off defensive line,
linebacker all the way back there. But yes, that play
(24:03):
was great and Scans it couldn't have happened to a
better guy. There's another guy, Rusty loved that guy. Special teams.
I'll do whatever it takes. Yeah, I was a star
at Washington. I was as my freshman year at the
Festa ball I was the MVP. I went from Pittsburgh
to see I'll do whatever you want. I'll be a
miniature Steve, larger, tough, tough Paul Stansy. I'm so glad
(24:24):
that he caught that touchdown pass. I'm so happy for
him and our team and narm Johnson kicked the extra
point to actually win the game.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
And you know, I saw Scans a couple of weeks ago.
He came by the stadium for the for the game.
I don't remember which one, but we had a chance
to talk, and I'm telling you, he is just as
kind of quiet and.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
And sort of him as he was back in those days.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
And he's a fifty something now, just like I'm going
to say the rest of us, No, the rest of
us are way older than that.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
But he would tell me stories. He goes, he goes.
Do you remember I said, did I ever run you
into coverage? Once in a while he goes. Sometimes he goes.
One time, we're playing Gilbert and cover two. He's the
slow receiver and you're not supposed to throw an out route,
but it was a two minute drill, so I'm like
trying to kind of guide go by that little so
I throw them out row and like gil Bird lights
him up. Come back to the same play, the same thing.
(25:11):
I'm like, oh my gosh, he reminded me of that.
But but I'm so glad Stans, I'm so glad that
Stan's caught that that was a good game. We the
best games are the games, like you know, coming back
from being benched, or you get an injury and you're
coming back. People don't realize the mental stuff. I remember
coming back from a separated shoulder and going out there
(25:31):
and trying to play or your thumb and by the way,
I do want to mention doctor h Stan Herring and
Gary Fuce. Gary fuch that put the first plate in
my thumb, and Stan Herring helped fix my back. But
coming back from injuries is another thing. And you got
to come back there and just play like nobody cares
if you're hurt, just like they don't care what college
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you're from.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
That's that's an interesting point you made because Jim is
sitting here, and Jim was, you know, starting quarterback for
pretty much his career and then toward the.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
End, Dave you were.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
You were backing up, but you ended up playing a
lot when guys got hurt, and you still had to
be prepared right just like you were.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
A starter, except you didn't know if you were going
to get in the game that day.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
I got kind of mad at Eric Kramer he got
hurt the second or third game of the season. I'm
thirty seven years old with the Bears, and now I'm going,
oh my gosh, I got to play the rest of
the year. And then the first thing he played was
the Raiders, so that made it even better. But yeah,
I got to play quite a bit right up until
the end when I got to Tennessee. Now I watched
Steve McNair. You want to talk about audibles. What did
(26:35):
he do one time? He's such a great athlete. They're
playing the Baltimore Ravens with Ray Lewis and all these guys,
and he drops back. I think he audible to a
running play. That's exactly what he did. He audible to
running play and he dropped back what he's been up
for a pass and then he proceeded to run thirty
seventy years can't cut. They're all thinking that, they're going,
(27:00):
I'm like, dude, what happened? He goes I forgot out.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
Uh, there's a there's a story. There's a story out there,
and it is Dave. Dave, myself and Sam Atkins really
were the only three to ever witness uh this particular
situation that happened after or during an evening meeting the
night before a football game in.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Bellevue, in Bellevue, Washington, and.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Anybody can walk into the past. It can happen anybody,
I know.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
But it happened when all three of us were there,
and it would be okay that that he ran into it,
but then it knocked him down.
Speaker 6 (27:44):
Who ran into it?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Ken?
Speaker 5 (27:45):
Ken? So he's our quarterback coach, and you know, we
break up. Okay, Chuck had his his State of the
Union for the team meeting, and we're going to break up.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
And now we're going to go and fine tune the
last thing.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
And I'll be darned. We walk out outside. We're going
into another room and there's a sliding glass door there
and we're all right behind Kenny and man, he ran
smack into it. Man, and we it probably took us
fifteen minutes to you know, get composed after that because
(28:18):
there was a nose smudge of oil where he hit
the he hit his nose first. Oh man, that'll be
something that all three of us really, you know, we
can all eyewitness that story for we've told it for
years and years and years.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Oh goodness, that was there. Next morning. Well listen, I mean,
Kenny was one of Chucks boys, and you know he was.
I mean when I got the different places, you could
tell things run a little bit differently. And that was
you know, the way they had the way they ran
(28:57):
things like Marty was wearing good business like and hard
practices like Chuck. But they paid a lot more attention
at detail in practicing stuff. Your drops what you're looking at. Yeah,
and you critique a lot more every every place you
go to.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
It's different, sure, And part of that I would expect
comes from as you guys got further into your careers.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
Obviously my name after.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Six, but as staffs grew, you had just more people
with eyes on. I mean we talked about it here before, Dave,
and that is you know, early on, Jerry Rome was
the quarterbacks coach, offensive coordinator, receivers coach. So he just
send us over to another part of the field and
we'd stand there and just throw the ball back and
forth until it was time to go seven on seven.
That's right, And not saying that that helped or hurt anybody.
(29:42):
Yoda was Steve large It was going to be Steve Largent,
regardless of whether he had a coach working with him
or not. I would expect that part of that was
just more people that saw you and coached you up
as you went further into your career, made you know
that detail that you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Hey, hey, out up Jerry Rome's name. I got to
tell you something. So nineteen eighty and I make it there,
I make the team, and all I did was call
my daddy, goes, well, what happened? I go, well, they
put I got a name, I got a jersey, my
name on the back, and I got the best seats
in the house. I'm on the sideline, you know. So
I told my dad I made the team. Right, There's
(30:18):
no lay in the heck I could have played. I
go over to the gym's house once in a while,
Mercer Island. I'm like, wow, and I go over there
and I go I watched FELM. I know what the heck,
gys look, I'm just watching the game. You know, I
didn't really know how to watch number when Sam samummam.
When I threw seventy five and I threw the Sam McComb.
It's a strong side hook round. I threw it tim
my first time ever, dropping back, He's like and he
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started yelling at me. I hit him right in chest
and yelled at me. But Jerry, Roll, listen, listen, my
very first start nineteen eighty you guys go to Cincinnati.
I think Turk Schoenart was going to be the quarterback there.
And we're playing anyway. So it's just a regular first
first game of the season for everybody, but for me,
it's my first NFL game. I'm on the my parents
(30:59):
drive all the way down from Wawsa. So remember how
we took those tests, Jim in eighty and eighty one.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yep, yep, Jerry.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
We took this test and I would get yes, I
would get sixties and fifties, there'd be more red ink
on my paper. Well, this is before we even this
is before we even took the test. So we're in
one of those meetings, and you were there in nineteen
eighty rates and they asked questions around the room, and
they'd asked me a question. I couldn't answer it, so
I go to Mark Bell. When Mark Bell answered it,
(31:26):
then I go, oh my god. So I take this test.
So I take this test, so I'm lovely bro. I
take this test and the next morning, now they grade
the test, so I get my test back it's got
like a fifty seven. He couldn't even give me a
sixty fifty seven. It's got red ink on it. I mean,
this is a great of the game. So I'm like that,
I'm like, look, and I start to get real emotional.
(31:48):
I kindly and at Andy Circles. I couldn't even play
in this game if I had to. That's what Jerry
Room wrote on the top of my paper. So now
I get that, and I walk out of the meeting
room and I'll play the elevator. Is those two people
that drove all the way down to watch their son.
And I got tears in my eye, and I go, Jerry,
this is my dad and my mom. He just gave
me a fifty seven. Professor. It was so humiliating. Yes,
(32:14):
I didn't know how to study. I didn't know anything
about I didn't know anything, man, listen. I didn't know how
a tire tie. I remember the second plane trip I
took large and I went to the go out them.
I came out and someone my clip on tie was
sticking out and he snatched it and he goes, look,
he's got a clip on tie. He said. He everybody
on the plane. I'll never forget that tire tie.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, you defended yourself the way you had to, and
that was that chip on your shoulder made you a
Ring of Honor member and a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Yeah, it's almost little things. You're exactly right. It's almost
little obstacles and adversities you have come. No matter what
they are, they're humiliating, but at the same time there
there are opportunities for growth if you let them be correct.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yeah, I know one of the things that you that
has always been a badge of courage for you, and
that is your nickname, and that I hate that.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I don't know why we want to talk about that.
I mean, what is wrong with you guys? You know,
and you're and you're gonna bring it up. I'm the
whole thing. So I said to know, let me just
there's a hijack and do this correct.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
Let me just say when when we were in meetings
because we had some time and Jerry coached almost everybody
on offense, we would have a meeting and one one
time a week, Jerry Rome would say, Okay, tonight's to
night where you're gonna give We're gonna vote on a nickname.
And I don't know who the first was the first
one Yoda? Or was Steve Largent or was I can't
(33:51):
remember who? The first one was mine?
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Mind every nickname? I got the last one.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Let me, let me explain what happened.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
So everybody on the team, including you, Raves, you got
to Jim.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Listen, listen, it's not your nickname. Why are you explaining
of this?
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Yeah, So.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
We put him up on the on the board and
it wasn't a whiteboard because we only had chalkboards.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Right, So where you vote and.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
You you get to pick out Okay, give me two names,
Now give me one. And so there was three names
left and one of one of the end ones for Dave,
and it was obvious he was going to be named
mud Bone. It was just obvious that.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Was it, and no idea. Well, you know, I don't
remember even who came up with it. It was I
know exactly.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Who who is.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Bone?
Speaker 3 (34:49):
I know you, Jim, you finished the story of that.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Who came up with bones?
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Oh? Yes?
Speaker 6 (34:56):
Byron Walker?
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Byron Walker. He was the one.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
So here's here, here's the thing of this I want
to buy and asked that what's this mug mine? Because
it's a Richard Pryor album. I listened to it, so
I listened to it. It's so rich. Paul is this
comedic album and he's talking about an old man on
a pitch in two old Mississippi and it goes kind
of like this. I don't remember when I first went
to my bone. It was in two four old Mississippi,
and he was.
Speaker 7 (35:21):
I did so before you guys ask questions, Steve label
of all people, just be prepared that, which usually what
makes you a good reporter and the iconic reporter that
you are, Steve very more. And I'm just surprised that
you try to do it Barbara Walters on.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Me and make me cry at the end of the podcast.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
No, I would never do that, but I will say
that Jim was z Man and that sort of made sense,
and I was peaking.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Of course, anybody's gonna talk about other people's making names
when they're only good one we rage just what raves?
Speaker 3 (35:47):
What do they call you? Rage? No?
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Peaches? Peaches from that's.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
So sweet you But you don't like that? Do your age?
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Not? Especially?
Speaker 3 (35:56):
No?
Speaker 6 (35:57):
But I will say.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
That, yeah, yeah, yeah, So now you know what I feel.
That you want to talk about my nickname teachers, that's
what I'm gonna call the teachers there. We got the mustache.
He's trying to go any Jersey in this office.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
All right, So here's the here's the deal with and
with I think we've talked about this with Steve.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
We had Remember we had a we had a Halloween
costume party as a team, and everybody came with funny stuff.
Speaker 6 (36:25):
I remember Sharon and I were.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Rage. I don't want to talk about Halloween parties. I
just can't do, Okay.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
So anyway, Steve and Terry came as Princess Leah and Yoda,
except except that Steve was Princess Leah and Terry had
the rubber mask on. And what was funny was the
rubber mask looked a lot like Steve's face with the
you know, the Yoda mask. So he became He instantly
became Yoda. And when I went to Washington, d C.
(36:57):
And he was a congressman, I walk in his office
and there's all his staff around and all those people,
and I saw him on the far side of the
room and I yelled, Yoda, and everybody in the room
stopped and looked at me, like, this is a this
is Congressman largin Well Steve knew who I was talking to,
and he came over and we hugged, and then we
went back in his inner office and sat there and
shot the breeze for a while.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
But those things lived with you.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
And I know Steve probably doesn't like Yoda either, And
sometimes it's tough for me not to just say Yoda.
It just kind of it just sort of comes out.
Now you I don't call Mudbone. I call you Dave,
and always have, and Sharon always calls actually Sharon, Sharon
likes you a lot better than that.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
My call me Dave. My friends, my friends call me Dave.
Speaker 6 (37:39):
Okay, all right?
Speaker 2 (37:40):
And and yes, and we used to have a place
down in Arizona when and Dave has been down there
for a long time now and we used to visit
and his he is one of the I will and
I don't hear. I don't want to embarrass you, but
you were one of the most thoughtful people because you're
you always ask about Sharon, and she appreciates that, and
she sort of has always kind of felt like, you know,
(38:02):
he was like a younger brother. We took him under
our wing and then look at what he became. But
she just she adores you and I for the life.
And you don't know why.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Listen. I've got a story too, Dave.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
When I when I was here, we were having our
second child, Sarah and Dave came to the hospital to
see Joy and you know, congratulate us and stuff like that.
He told the hospital that he was my brother. That's
the only way they let him in. And so we
have a picture of Dave in the hospital room as
my brother and taking pictures with Sarah.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Oh gosh, and yeah, yeah, he's very.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Very that's right.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
The good stuff, Dave, the good stuff will follow you around.
The good things in your life will always follow you around.
And and you know, and football was just part of.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
That, right, You're exactly right. I don't want to keep
going on here. But last night I told you we
were talking a little bit. I took tway my daughter
because it was nice talking to you and BS and
what you like we always do and sparring. And my
daughter thought, so, who is that guy? So that's the
guy that wants me to do the podcast, and I
don't know if I want to do it. We're talking,
she goes, how do you know I've knowed since nineteen
eighty you've known him for since nineteen eighty about that rade.
Speaker 6 (39:16):
Yeah, hey, and so and so.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
There's a lot of things. There's your family, which I'm
so much closer to my family, even though the boys
aren't a big I love you guys and all that stuff,
but they go hunting and fishing and you do stuff together,
play golf, pickleball. And my daughter has really helped with
the family because she's brought a little bit more emotion
into it and all that stuff. So it's like a team.
Though when you're in it, you're in a locker room. Man,
(39:40):
I can't. I wish I could express this to everybody
out the world, so that you can show that you
can all get along no matter what. You know what
I mean, yeah, because there's nothing like a player's locker room.
There's nothing like it.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Nothing, David, What do you do today? Most of the time?
What are you doing?
Speaker 3 (39:55):
I want to get worked out before I did this
because I want to go hit golf balls at about
It's only open until four thirty down here. For some reason,
I worked out a little bit. I just got back
from the Rose Ball Man, what a venue. Oh my goodness, gracious, Yeah,
I was at the game Aldana. I drove all the
way there. My daughter flew there. She's Alabama grad and
(40:16):
I watched Alabama Michigan. I thought there were very trogodd offenses, like,
oh my gosh, but it was what and then the
b two bombers come around. I'm like, you couldn't even
hear that thing and it came right over the top
of us in the venue when the sun sets. I
can see why it's called the granddaddy of them all.
It is just what a field. So it was like
San Diego's field. Remember the oad field of San Diego
(40:37):
down at Jack Murphy. Oh my god, I thought it
was like a track. I mean I even fell faster.
Speaker 5 (40:42):
Yeah yeah, yeah, Well that's good. So you are involved
with your family a little bit more than you had
been when you played. Obviously we all are, uh, but
you do other When I.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Was playing, my family, my family came second everybody. No, no,
that's not true. I mean, can you imagine too well
to think about this, uh, Rage and Jim, because I
went the six different teams. Can you imagine moving Joy
from Blah blah blah to Detroit. I think you kind
of did it a little bit, but joinly went the
Green Bank back in Seattle, right well.
Speaker 5 (41:16):
On Washington, Washington, Washington, that I coached for the Lions
with Bobby Ross, coach.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
For the Chief. Student. You you coached for the Chief, didn't.
That's the other thing. I'm not going to cry. Yeah, hey,
I'm not going to cry milk here.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
But I moved joy nineteen times in my career.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So that side of it is. That's
why I said that's enough even for me, and I
wan't want to put my family through it. So I
just said I'm not doing that. I was pretty obvious
coaching the coaching part of it. The coaching part of
it would have been fun, but man, the time commitment,
I just don't get. I'm so glad coaches do it,
but I just couldn't do it. After playing nineteen years,
(41:52):
that's the last thing you want to do is go
sit back in those offices for another six months in
a row.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
It was it was it was time to take a break.
In fact, that was I was going to ask you,
had you ever thought about wanting a coach because you
learn from so many really good coaches and with all
those systems, all that stuff in your mind. Same as
Jim you just you didn't want to spend that much time.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
No, No, some guys, I think some guys are like
you can see even on TV Danner Rofski's on there now.
He is a backup. But some of the backups know
more about the technical side of football than the actual quarterbacks.
Troytman's pretty good at it because he I mean, he
actually played. But there's not a lot of guys that
can take the playing into coaching. It's just sometimes it's
(42:34):
like Joe Joe Montana would not be a good coach.
La wouldn't be a good coach Marino because they wouldn't
have the patience to go, this is what I mean, dude,
Like you know, nobody can do it like you. You know,
And that's that's some of it.
Speaker 6 (42:45):
Yeah, yeah, well.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
Listen, wait, wait, wait, there's another guy, Matt Kavanaugh. I
wrote him Jim yep, sure, ye I know man, Yeah, yeah.
He was my quarterback coach down there, and he really
was a good Yes, he was a good, good quarterback coach. Yes.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
And as I remember, Sam uh Sam Hankins had there
was some thought that when Jerry was had an opportunity
maybe to be a head coach in the USFL or
the World League or whatever that was, and.
Speaker 6 (43:14):
Somebody who knew the offense really.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
Well, I'm sorry I raised the interrupt because I think
I got to mention this, Jim at this. If I
don't mention this to be here, it would be crazy.
So the first game that if you broke your ankle.
I remember I said to you guys, didn't tell us
before the game, so imagine the other guy would be mule,
and they didn't tell either of us. He probably thought
didn't know for sure. But Sam helped me as much
(43:39):
as we also watched BOM. Sam was such a good teammate,
telling me all this stuff you need to hear, all
that kind of stuff. He was such a good I
can't even imagine Sam going, man, I'm getting my first
chance to and then begin to give it to me
and then I actually do good and he's over there
helping me. And then he'd always helped me study so
that I want to get sixties up while I was
getting eighties and nineties like the rest of you guys
(44:00):
pretty cool. Muell would do that step aside and yet
still help me and and and that's that to me,
that was a big deal.
Speaker 5 (44:08):
Sam's Sam's nickname is is Mule, so we all call
him mule.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
You call him mule.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (44:14):
But Sam actually helped me out one one year, uh
in recent history, because I coached in an All Star game,
uh one of the NFL p A Bulls or the
East West Shrine Game, and he was on my coaching staff.
And he's got a real good feel for football. So Dave,
you're right. I mean, he's he is all in and
(44:35):
he doesn't have to be in the spotlight, but he
knows ball and he knows how to listen.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
If it was Sam Atkins, there won't be you know,
they won't you know, Steve Rabo with the Seahawks because
he does is always George farm and writes these names
down that well, that needs to be said. I know,
I'm right about that. I think it needs to be
you know, everybody's second rass, every player every year. How
does he know all that? Sam Adkins right that.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
That's great, that's.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
Great, I said it.
Speaker 6 (45:06):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
He is.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
He has been an amazing help and he was an
amazing teammate. And as we wrap this thing up, Dave,
one of the things that that when we talk to
guys of our era. You know that started back in
the late seventies, and for you, nineteen eighty is we
still talk about and with the same guys that we
knew back then. You talked about teammates, you talked about
(45:29):
being in a locker room and on a team. Those
are the kind of things that nobody can take away
from you. And the minute you're back with those guys,
it's just like you were sitting in your locker back
in nineteen eighty or eighty one. It's just that relationship
that always that always stays with you. And you know
you had it for nineteen years with a whole lot
of different teams, but those relationships will always be there, right.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
Yeah, it's so true. And I want to tell you
one more thing about the adversity. Remember I told you
about the test before that number one first game, do
you guys number when we went to Dallas, we played
three games in eleven days, remember Ras, and all these
needles were sitting there in the Turney room. I'm like,
what are those needles about? And as I that was
forty and then so the game is fifty seven to
six years to sitting on the sideline talking to Rusty
(46:14):
do you want me to go in and tie it?
How did you do that? Near George Jessel?
Speaker 2 (46:18):
He we were getting ready to go. I think punt
it away or kick it return the kickoff again? I said,
you know I would run out and then tell the
return team you know, right left or middle?
Speaker 3 (46:27):
Sure?
Speaker 6 (46:28):
And uh And.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
We nobody knows George Jessel anymore. But Georgie Jessel was
an old comedian years and years ago. He used to
be on Johnny Carson and Rusty and I started doing
an impression of Georgie Jessel.
Speaker 6 (46:38):
He talked like this all the time.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
He said, hello, John how are you?
Speaker 2 (46:43):
We start talking like that, and we're getting there butts
handed to us by the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
It's fifty seven to six. We didn't even make the
extra pay.
Speaker 6 (46:49):
It was terrible. It was just terrible.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
And you said you want.
Speaker 6 (46:53):
Me to yes?
Speaker 2 (46:55):
And he said what do we want to do? And
he said, you know what should we do? He said, well,
let's not go in and win it all ones. And
I said, and now here we are now Jack but
Terra standing on the sidelines with his arms folded, you know,
watching his.
Speaker 6 (47:09):
Team Lammer, you guys go out and Rusty.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
And I just think This is just crazy, you know.
And here we go back out on the field again.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
So do you know who I threw the touchdown pass to?
Speaker 3 (47:19):
Ron? Oh? Was it? Finish the story?
Speaker 1 (47:27):
That's what That's what.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
They started story. They both tell about their start of it,
and then okay, they finish your So can you imagine it? Listen,
can you imagine this? Fifty seven to six, We're going
into the fourth quarter. Jim was a start, started the
whole first up, they go, We're not gonna let him
take a beating. We're gonna put Sam out there for
the third quarter.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
I think is Awa wend yep right at halftime?
Speaker 3 (47:48):
Yeah, and then you think we're tired out exactly exactly, so,
so they put in some This is kind of humbling
because now you're the third string guy. I'm over here,
I'm going this game. I'm thinking Cowboys. Randy White scared me.
Jerry's decided to put Jim back in the game. And
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the boy i'd lively get in I didn't get it.
And I'm on the plane, I'm taking a shower. Yeah,
Sam was getting hurt. That's the only reason I got
in the game. Too. Everybody put did his through his lip,
his mustache. Yeah, he couldn't call the place. A lot
of going there and take a snap in nineteen eighty,
we couldn't call the play because his lip even throw
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his mustache and Tom Jackson run his tooth way through
his lip was lying on their car. Time out, but
King on Lumber call time out. But Sam would get
hurt a little bit. But I did not even play
any game. So I'm on the airplane and Jerry comes
back says, you know I didn't play you. I'm like, no,
I'm kind of pissed. I'm like, I want to quit.
I want to fly to Wisconsin. And he goes, I
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would have ruined your confidence as you going out there,
and he's kind of right. I'm glad he didn't. I
would have been just shell shocked. But Jim really go
back into a game at fifty seven and six, I
would have been pissed. I said, no, what's the other guy?
What Herman Weaver?
Speaker 6 (49:05):
In Weaver was our punter up.
Speaker 3 (49:13):
In the third string quarterback.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
And that was Thanksgiving Day, Thanksgiving Day, Yeah, that was
that was the third game in eleven days. I remember,
and I remember, you know the shots because Merlin Olsen
came into the locker room before Jack got there and
saw this, and he said, oh my god. He knew
how banged up we were, and he said, this could
be a rough one today, and I said, yeah, it
might be, and it turned out.
Speaker 6 (49:35):
To be that way. All right, anything else Z that
you need to know before?
Speaker 3 (49:39):
Yeah, yeah, I got as all as we're talking about
needles real quick. I did get my introduction to Tardal.
In nineteen ninety five, I played for the Cardinals. We
went four and twelve. Somewhere somewhere during the off season
or somewhere during training camp, my elbows started hurting my job.
If you get pickle ball, rock and ball elbow, it's
called and it started hurting my ow. So we had
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to do practices where the offense won twice in the
time in row, and then they had these needles. I
either take a shot of Torda on the butt even
for preseason games. Made you feel great. But gosh, yeah,
they don't make that anymore. That's what you did back
in the old days. I'm telling you.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Well, back in the old days, they smoked cigarettes in
the locker room, as you mentioned, Yeah, that was.
Speaker 3 (50:21):
When I came out of my mouth like I smoked
them through.
Speaker 6 (50:24):
Well we didn't, none of us did, uh.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
And we we all have the great stories we all
you know, remember in those early days. And Dave, I
hope it wasn't too much of an imposition to call
you last night and say, hey, come on and join
us today, because we've wanted to get you on here
and listen. Your royalty when it comes to the Seahawks
and fans especially and in the Ring of Honor, and
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we'll always be thought of that way, uh. And we
just we just appreciate it, and thank you for taking
the time.
Speaker 6 (50:53):
Brother, Thank you, David, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
Jim Williams, I appreciate My daughter said you can't not
do that with your friend Dad, so I had to
do it.
Speaker 1 (51:03):
She shamed you to him.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
I'm glad that's right.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
Z Man and Peach will will we have. Thank you
for that, and thank all of you for listening to
Sea Yak stories. It's it's always a treat to catch
up with some of these semi old guys. And until
the next time, Zee, thanks so much. David again, thank you,
and we will see you folks next time.
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Set back to behind, Zorn, who's back to pass as
time looks for the left sideline, throws a bomb down
there he's got a.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Man in front.
Speaker 4 (00:12):
He makes to grab a travel It's a thirty down
of the twenty.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Don't ever get him. He scores touched.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
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Speaker 3 (00:19):
Com and Zorn later in perfectly a Rabel who goes
in to score on an eighty yard pass and run play.
Speaker 5 (00:25):
Now, here's your host, the voice of the Seahawks, Steve
Raebol and Seahawks legend Jim Zorn.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
What another treat? We have another Ring of Honor member.
And before we even get to it, and Dave Craig.
Speaker 6 (00:43):
Is our guest, today's ee, how are you? Happy New Year?
Everybody happy? N NASA are the producer and Dave of course,
happy New Year to you.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
And before you say anything, I just want to tell you, yes,
we had to search along and hard to find a
highlight of me and we decided and we decided to
use it. I'm going to say that before you say it.
Thanks for coming on.
Speaker 6 (01:02):
It's great to have you.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Yeah, good to be on rage and any highlight you
can give it is a is a big deal. I
appreciate that. That's true.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yes, we Z always shakes his head when we when
we play that play because it was listen at that time.
It was of course it was still the first year
of the franchise, but it was the longest touchdown pass
in franchise history. It lasted about six more months.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Let me let me ask you not only.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
That race, excuse me a second, but you know I
got the play Jim was starting. I got you were
one of the best preseason receivers around for a couple
of years. I mean, if they had a preseason like that, preseason,
I'll poting you would have bet on because you were
better and and you could play special teams. I mean,
you were like a fantasy football player's green as a
preseason player. You know when I when I give an accolade.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
You are right on.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
And when I got into the league, I actually started
with the Dallas Cowboys, and when I go to practice,
I'd walk up to the line of screamage. You'd be
my rep in training camp and just like Dave saying,
preseason and Drew Pearson would be out there and I'd
look and then he would step back and let the
other guy step forward. He wouldn't he wouldn't run a
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pattern for me. Were you like that with with Dave
when he was.
Speaker 6 (02:16):
The first telling But you know what's interesting.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
I'm not going to catch a pass. Hey, somebody else
go and.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
You you quarterbacks can can tell me tell more about this.
But when your backups, you know, I obviously I backed
up Steve and Sam, but so you start to kind
of develop a little more of a of a relationship
on the field and practice field with that backup quarterback
like Sam and I and Dave. Sure, you know, when
you got to got in there and got your reps,
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I always thought that was interesting because, let's face it,
you needed to get the most reps, Jim, because you
were throwing the ball to Sam and and to Steve
in large measure and and.
Speaker 6 (02:52):
That was okay.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
But it always it always reminded me that, hey, these
other quarterbacks are really good too, because you know, I
get a chance to work with them maybe a little more.
That's right, Dave, when you were when you got here
nineteen eighty right, nineteen eighty rookie free agent. Yes, out
of Milton College. You're I know you've told this story
a million times, but kind of your first thoughts. Did
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your coach kind of sent some videotape in and you
had a chance to come here.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
And real quickly? Yeah, yeah, he knew a guy named
Joe Schmid I think was with the Lions and then hit.
That's how he met Dick Mansburger, and Dick Mansburger happened
to be the head of player personnel there, so they
sent two tannisers up home. I'm sure there was spliced
together at five or six different times with tape. And
according to Jerry Romer Howard Mutt, it depends who you
talked to. They both say that they looked at it
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and think he could make it. So he looked at
it and said, call my coach up and we run
the library field playing coach football at the time, and
with the quarter barrel of beer, and the guy says,
come on, Dan, you gotta do in here. You gotta
do in here. The Seahawk's on the phone, and I'm like, yeah,
right right, I told this kid, yet out he kept
playing in the coach you guys get in there on this
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phone call and then they said to get on a plane.
Of course, that was the very first time I'd ever
got on an airplane.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Is there a better story? I mean, when it really
Jim is shaking his head. No, there's not a better
story when it comes to a kid coming out of
a small college that nobody really gave much of a
chance to because mostly nobody knew about him, and yet
to come into the league and then play nineteen years
in the National Football League. It's amazing, Jim, you played
the same position I think for Dave.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
When I saw Dave, it actually has stuck with me
all throughout through my coaching career as well as I
look for guys that are accurate and can complete passes,
you know, can you hit what you're throwing? And Dave
was one of those guys. He was very accurate passer.
Maybe he didn't have the strongest arm in the league,
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but didn't need to because he could anticipate and he
could throw the ball in a position that the receiver
could catch it and stay away from that defender.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
You know, Dave, Dave, you you were described as kind
of a gym rat kind of guy.
Speaker 6 (05:06):
Is that how you would describe yourself as you just.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
You love it certainly, Yes, yes, I mean by the
time I was five years old, I remember watching the
Green Bay Packers. They had Vince Lombardi and Bart Starr
and Jim Taylor and really would her batterly. So I'm
watching the dang best of the best on black and
white TV every Sunday. So then I then I'll go
out and visualize even before it was a popular thing,
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and I'd get a bunch of kids together and I said,
we're going to run this play because that's why I
saw him do on TV, whereas my dad would say,
come on Star whatever. And then I played basketball. Was
bossball season, you know, Louel Singer was there. Now he's
Kareem M do it bar. So I was always playing
basketball and then baseball. I think that's where I got
my accuracy from Jim's baseball. Really like I'm playing baseball.
But I loved playing sports. I just loved it.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
So you did more than just fish were growing up that.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yes, yes, I mean, remember they had that place up
in Kirkland. We got the new place and we would
go up there and have some of the most hellacious
competitive basketball games ever. Shimon Smith was up there, and
Kenny Easley and Jake and Terry Taylor and we were
just competing. So we go practice little training camp football
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like in the summer, like workoffs, and go up there.
So there was a lot of gym rats that were
on our team. But I loved sports man. I love
football with no I love football so much. Jim's got
it right. I mean I would have done anything to
play football.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
When when you got there, Dave as a as a
rookie free agent, a quarterback, and you know we got it.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
Was stony still. There was Steve Meyer still there.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, yes, yes, had the band back I think, but
but you still had Sam and Jim. So what did
you think when you got to Cheenie and you look,
here's a quarterback room and this is the National Football League?
Did you think to yourself, Dave, Hey, if I work hard,
I can make this team. Or wow, this is this is.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
You're forgetting Matt Cooper. You're forgetting Matt Kopeck. Dave, there
was two three other guys in front of me. There's
a training camp pitcher. We had this guy Jim that
was my uncle was Johnny Kye. Everybody's looking over aught
him up a genie and you can see number seventeen.
I'm up on my tiptoes looking it was my rookie year,
and I'm like, that's how I was looking like to
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get a job. So I was a seventh string guy.
I didn't know really who Jim Zorn was, and I
never knew who Steve large was till I saw him,
and I'm going, that's Steve Largent. Like he's five to
ten with that apro.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Matchie, yeah, matching his wife Terry's apro.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Yeah, yeah, yes, I mean that's all I really knew.
And then practice was just to me. Nobody out there
ever said, oh, that's the kid from Milton. Nobody. Once
you get in the NFL, they don't care if you
come from Saying Quentin or Milton. As long as you
can play.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
That's right. Hey, was let me ask you a question.
Was Mike I.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Played with some guys that should have been in San Quentin.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Was was Mike Tye? Was Mike Tye already on the
team when you when you got in?
Speaker 3 (08:02):
No? No, no, no, no, oh that's so funny. He
came in next year and they said he was a
quarterback from Maryland. I said, you go to I was
on this podcast. I would laugh. I said, you play
quarterbacks at Maryland?
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Oh my god, we large and I went.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
He came in.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
We went to a mini camp.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
They had a rookie mini camp, and here's Mike Tice
in the camp and he's a quarterback, just like and
just like Dave saying he was quarterback. That's this is
the best, the best of the best that you can get. Honestly,
he couldn't throw the ball about thirty.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Yards and you know, he just literally threw like so
or you know, my daughter Coley could throw like that,
you know, basically.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
But wasn't he an inspiration then? I mean you think
about what he did, yeah, and what uh you know,
and what he accomplished after that. I didn't know that
he came in, yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
No, no no doubt, yeah, no doubt about it. I
have much respect. I know Mike's family and all that,
because mom and dad. But it's still hilarious that he
was actually a quarterback. But I'll tell you another bear story.
Do you want to talk about stories? I thought about
this just about four or five years ago. Randall Borris
was a tennis Tennessee quarterback, a quarterback and then he
came into the NFL to play running back. That's even
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more difficult because you know you're going up there and
getting hit every time, even in practice, you know. So
that's another guy that was a good inspirational story. But tays, Yeah,
he played tight end, then I need to catch passes,
and he'd get a little pete talk about him. Man.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
You know, that's interesting you say that Randall was a
QB at Tennessee because we had Sherman on last week
and another quarterback and we drafted Think about this, We
drafted Sherman as a wide receiver and then he became
a running back.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
Happy.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Yeah, but she was one of those guys. He could
have played any position. She was when I ended my
career in my last two years, Shearman Smith, who I
started my career with, was my running backs coach with
the Tennessee Titan. That was so funny.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Oh yeah, that is funny when you think about this
for a second, Dave. We played with guys we mentioned
Mike tye Uh and Jim Zorn, guys who played their
positions well when they were here. They were teammates with us,
and they went on to become head coaches in the
National Football League. I mean, that's that's pretty remarkable that
you and I.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
This a slap at me like that, what happened to you?
How come you do become a head? No?
Speaker 6 (10:31):
No, not at all.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
No, it's a it's a it's a it's kudos to
those guys, to Jim and to Mike and how you know,
guys can play their entire career and and not have
that kind of connection. And here we got a couple
of guys that came out of that, that whole process
with the early Seahawks.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
League coaches, and that.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Would be a testament. I would say to Jack, Mike McCormick,
and Chuck Knox to help play the groundwork for Jim,
and I suppose Mike and also Mike to learn the
West Coast offense. Jim, you should tell people what it's
late to go home from. I write Action Past twenty
five strong to twenty two Texas. You know what I mean?
Like when I got when I got to the West
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Coast offense, I'm like, Whyn't not a car like this?
I was running learn how to drive? What the hell
is this? I was six thirty six. We didn't change
a prop from nineteen eighty to nineteen whatever. It was like.
I got there. I got there, I said, oh my gosh,
they from the three step drop, they from the five
step drop. And after I got I'm doing all that,
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they go, We're gonna bring in Jill Montana. I'm like,
why the hell did I do all that? You're bringing?
But what an offense that was, Jim, Oh my gosh,
I should have stayed there. And you want to talk
about other place, you know, as when we were talking
about places Detroit. Imagine this is for an offense. They
had Kevin Glover, Dave Lukes, three or four of the
guys that were all pro offense line, and then they
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had Barry Sanders, Herman Moore, Johnny Morton.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
I was there.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
I was there with Jo with Jamo, I was there
with UH, with Herman Moore. I was there with UH,
with Barry, with Barry.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yeah, and I remember, and I think I said this, Jim,
do not.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Agree that Helond Moore was a great, great receiver.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Yes, but he he run He ran the best fade
stop of any of any receiver I've ever been around.
And Johnny Morton was actually pretty good inside as well
as playing outside.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
But yeah, Herman Moore was very, very good. He was
limited on some of the routes that he could run.
But uh man, that's that fade stop was was something
else where.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
He'd run a go round a minute.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I'm gonna get I'm gonna give Harmon Moore some better
credit that man. So I first time I got a
chance to throw them. Scott Mitchell's there, he gets hurt
against the book the comedy Student against Mike homegrin. Mike
always reminds me of this, and and his wife gat
us up by like seventeen points, and then I go on,
guy hurt his ankle and that funny, and I go
in there in a halftime and we come up. We
scored like twenty one points just knowing out ross from
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the inside slot receiver. But Herman Moore, if I threw
a hissed to him, Jim, he could reach his hands
out almost take a Mega John, extend his hands and
catch the ball of his hands. He was sixth floor.
He jumped seven to at the University of Virginia. He
could run in russ he could run fades. You could
throw the ball up to him and he could catch.
He was like a Dale turner even more athletic.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Yeah, he was a vacuum cleaner outside.
Speaker 6 (13:24):
He really was.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
For those folks who don't remember, and I hadn't remembered
Dave the Lions, but Dave Craig Seahawks, Kansas City Chiefs,
Detroit Lions, Arizona Cardinals, Chicago Bears, Tennessee Oilers, three time
Pro bowler, I mean, obviously in the ring of honor,
a varied career. Again, as we talked about, from a
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guy from a small college, what was it, Dave that
propelled you to have such a great career, such a
long lasting career in the national football Do you think
it was fear?
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Fear I'm going to tell you right now, simple feel
as a motivator, Heck yeah, feel. I don't want to
go back to Wisconsin and working in the paper miller
for Roat Router Number one, when you go to another team,
When you go to another team, it doesn't matter what
you did, because you have to go there and prove
yourself all over again. So now you're fearful of can
I live up to this? So it makes you even more.
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It just I always like to have a chip on
my shoulders, some type of thing, you know, when it
was in high school, there was always this other kid
that was a guard to trying to play quarterback, and
it was you know, I always there. But in football
you have to go prove yourself. That's what people don't understand.
When backup quarterbacks go somewhere, they got to learn a
whole new terminology, vernacular. It's all the same, but they
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call it different things, and you got to learn all that,
and then you got to learn the defense of how
they call it. Then you got to prove to your
teammates that now you're just studying quarterback. You other got
to just look that you had all the paint and
you've got to be as good, if not better than him,
but still be authentically natural at the same time.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Yeah, and that's what's really unique about one of the
unique traits that Dave had when he played.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Is the ability.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
And I think it's really hard to be in one
place learn a system, go to another place. You're not
just learning the different vocabulary. There is a different concept
as well out there on that offense and what they're
trying to do, but you also have to learn what
they're calling defenses and nuances of coverages that one coach
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may see a little bit differently than the other, and hey,
we don't want to attack here, we want to attack here.
But you, when you were at the other place, you
attacked the other side. And for him to be able
to do that, you got to think that's pretty special
to be able to flip all that in your mind
and then make it work, and then believe in it
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and make the other your teammates around you believe in
it as well. Wouldn't you say, those are some things
that you had to do to make it work for you.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Dave certainly, certainly learning all that stuff. But then he
going back to the rags question a little bit too. Then.
Also the more I go back home, the more I
see my buddies, they ever talk about football. But I
do know that when I played, when we went to Milwaukee,
you're played in Green Bay or Chicago, somewhere near. All
my friends would be there, So I was playing for
them too, because not many guys come from Russall Wisconsin
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up there. I'm playing in the NFL. You know, It's
just it's it's very rare. So also I played for
my friends and the guys from Milan. The school closed
down and then like I said, man, I love playing
football so much. I love if you got to do gassers,
I'd help the linemen try to get Come on, let's
go to make everybody better. I mean it was a
shock to me when I first came there and they
smoked cigarettes in the locker room. I'm like, surely you
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can't wait till later on. I'm like, winning has to
be like there's somewhere both marbles and Chesterfield one hundred.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Now, hey, David, who did you Who did you hang
with when you were on the Seahawk team? Like who
do you remember?
Speaker 3 (16:55):
My first year? Oh?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah, just who were you?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
There? Was there a guy named Jeff cd raves Jeff.
Speaker 6 (17:02):
CB Jeff C.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Yes, yes, yes, I shoved that. No, No, I shouldn't
hung around with him, but I did a couple of nights,
and then most of the time it was Shank and
Mini and we didn't go out much. I don't remember.
I remember, oh Bick minor Greg Johnson?
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Aren't you around? Uh another off? Yeah, yeah you were
so Shank Shank why.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
I think he came from a small college state.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
I think that's what I thought too.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
I think he was an All American wrestler, All American
Tackle Park at grind Valley State. You want to talk
about a guy that loved and wanted to play football.
He would run. He was drafted in the fourth of
fifth roun by the Sea. He put his vest on.
He was constantly getting in shape. That's the first guy
I met on my second airplane ride ever was Ron.
I think I saw him. I was like, are you
going to sail to Holy Krsher? All this big? You know,
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he's six foot eight two and eighty and no fault.
I'm like, holy question. I'm like, I just see it
from because you're bigger than all these guys. And then
another one. He's fast. For all, he was fast, he
could do all this stuff, and he was a wrestler.
Became we became like best friends.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
You know, all right, David, I'm gonna put you on
the spot. Give me a couple of what you would
consider the best your best play. And you know it
may not be a touchdown throw, but when when you
look back at your career, you said, man, that was
something I was really proud of that particular play.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
Give me a couple of those.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Any team, Well, oh shoot, okay, I'll tell you one
real smart one you'd really like this. I was at
the lines and we played every year they played Thanksgiving Day,
and I would get text from Joel Montana and the
guys and the Chiefs because they saw that I took
over for Mitchell and all the coach had done good.
And now I'm on Thanksgiving the football so the coach,
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I'm more. And Dave, older guy, Jim Dave, he just
passed away to uh the Lion's offensive from Alliance.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Oh Dave, I'm more.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
And day anyway, he called the plane. He goes, we're
gonna run a free flicker. So you know, we got
Barry Sanders, so many things. You're gonna hand off the
ball of Barry Sanders. So I'm gonna HNT. But he says,
if you see this coverage, don't do it. So I
kind of I kind of got better. If there was
a time when I was my second year, Jim, you'll
appreciate this. Jerry Rum calls Jay zero and whatever the
outroutes are sure, And so as I dropped back, I
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handed the ball off whoever the running back was, and
then it got fumbled and I go to the sidel
and he goes, what were you doing? I said, I
forgot it was a play action passes. You better get
your head out of here, he goes, you better get
your head. You guys are laughing. I mean I had
a lot of funny things happened to me. I go
to sea. He says, you better get your head. You
better get your head out of your beat or you
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won't be here very long. And that was my second year.
We were playing on in the Rams down in the preseason.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Tell me this were you? Uh, what years were you?
Speaker 3 (19:57):
I'm not doing my sport, Jim Jim, Jim Jim. I'm
just finishing.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
So tell me about Barry.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Tell me about he made he may ever receive her
better because they're always if they had there. What's in
the box? You're throwing it ninety four? Oh my gosh,
you ran for two thousand hours. The next year. That
was the most incredible human being to play with, Like
sitting in his locker next Dame and Eric went and
he would just sit there like he just you know,
(20:23):
just did nothing, like he just went one hundred and
eighty yards, the most humble guy. And his dad introduced him.
I went to the Hall of Fame. When he got introduced,
his dad said, I to introduced you in the second
best running back into Hall of Fame because his dad,
he said, Jim Brown was the best. This is the
second first one. So anyway, we're playing the Bills thanks
to Living Big Game, and sure enough they have this
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coverage on the Califinn I want to throw a touchdown pass,
so we run the play. Sure enough, he says, let's
run it again. I'm like, okay, so the second player
we do the three flock that we score lot. Isn't
that crazy?
Speaker 6 (20:54):
Yeah, so you're going to do it?
Speaker 3 (20:56):
And then we did run it twice.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
Who'd you throw to twice?
Speaker 3 (21:00):
The first place the cover the first place that they
were in cover too, so we couldn't do it.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
So who who'd you throw it to?
Speaker 3 (21:07):
You remember Herman Moore? Herman Hermon Moore.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
All right, I got one for you.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
And then there was a game winning that raves. You
must have broadcast this more. Imagine this. They're telling you
before the game or maybe before a pregame war. I'm saying,
want to tell me too far ahead? Just like when
I first started. They didn't tell me to the day
of the game. Chuck says, we're gonna Chuck says, we're
gonna throw a bomb on the first play, and that's
not something you normally want to hear it right away.
We win the coin toss, We're to throw a bomb
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in in Denver, first playing game. No no cadence like
red set, no sound, all that stuff. Goose Berg Bliss
dropped back about five gods high as far as I can.
They'll turner runs under it. First play the games goes
eighty yard touchdown.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
Do you remember that one? Like it was yesterday and
a great.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
That was crazy. I mean, you just hit an outstand
outstretched hands and big long legs. That's one guy. I
wish now that I'm a little bit more mature and
older and see things.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
I can, I can actually wish Dave.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
I wish I could have helped there at a little bit.
He was an awesome, awesome receiver, and I could have
spent more time on helping him to get better, But
I was trying to get better myself at the same time.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
Dave, he was one of the only guys I think,
on our on in my experience, nobody knew how fast
he was. They like, we never really had a forty
time on him or something.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Do you do you?
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Yeah, I didn't. I mean he could. He didn't care
about one against Lester, Like didn't even phase him. Like, No,
he just wanted to go play and catch the ball.
We should utilize him a little bit more. That's what
I'm trying to.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Say to Okay, my Dave Craig play. And of course
I'm jaded because it's with the Seahawks and I know
you had great plays with a lot of other teams.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Well, it's the only get your guests only get two.
I thought you said just name a few, and you
just gave me two. And are you gonna cut me off?
Speaker 2 (22:53):
No, I'm going to give you another chance, but I'm
gonna do I'm going to do my pipe before you
start again, because I may not get another word in
edgewise the way this is going. But it was you
had had a really tough day against Thomas the linebacker
at Kansas City, and I think you got sacked like
seven times. And they weren't you know, I mean, guys
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were just it was like he was just running over everybody.
It didn't matter who was blocking him. But he was
in the backfield almost before you got the ball. And
the eighth one that you avoided him and threw the
game winning touchdown to Paul Scanzy. Was is for me,
one of the most memorable plays. And I wasn't doing
play by play then Pete was. But I just remember
how crazy exciting that was, that finish and uh and
(23:38):
you made it happen by avoiding the eighth and then
throwing a dart.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
And then a year or two later on teammates with
Derek and Marty. And by the way, they used to
have Bill kaher was on their staff, Herman Edwards was
on their staff, Marty Schottenneimer Marty's but they had they
were one of the best defenses, I mean off defensive line,
linebacker all the way back there. But yes, that play
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was great and Scans it couldn't have happened to a
better guy. There's another guy, Rusty loved that guy. Special teams.
I'll do whatever it takes. Yeah, I was a star
at Washington. I was as my freshman year at the
Festa ball I was the MVP. I went from Pittsburgh
to see I'll do whatever you want. I'll be a
miniature Steve, larger, tough, tough Paul Stansy. I'm so glad
(24:24):
that he caught that touchdown pass. I'm so happy for
him and our team and narm Johnson kicked the extra
point to actually win the game.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
And you know, I saw Scans a couple of weeks ago.
He came by the stadium for the for the game.
I don't remember which one, but we had a chance
to talk, and I'm telling you, he is just as
kind of quiet and.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
And sort of him as he was back in those days.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
And he's a fifty something now, just like I'm going
to say the rest of us, No, the rest of
us are way older than that.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
But he would tell me stories. He goes, he goes.
Do you remember I said, did I ever run you
into coverage? Once in a while he goes. Sometimes he goes.
One time, we're playing Gilbert and cover two. He's the
slow receiver and you're not supposed to throw an out route,
but it was a two minute drill, so I'm like
trying to kind of guide go by that little so
I throw them out row and like gil Bird lights
him up. Come back to the same play, the same thing.
(25:11):
I'm like, oh my gosh, he reminded me of that.
But but I'm so glad Stans, I'm so glad that
Stan's caught that that was a good game. We the
best games are the games, like you know, coming back
from being benched, or you get an injury and you're
coming back. People don't realize the mental stuff. I remember
coming back from a separated shoulder and going out there
(25:31):
and trying to play or your thumb and by the way,
I do want to mention doctor h Stan Herring and
Gary Fuce. Gary fuch that put the first plate in
my thumb, and Stan Herring helped fix my back. But
coming back from injuries is another thing. And you got
to come back there and just play like nobody cares
if you're hurt, just like they don't care what college
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you're from.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
That's that's an interesting point you made because Jim is
sitting here, and Jim was, you know, starting quarterback for
pretty much his career and then toward the.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
End, Dave you were.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
You were backing up, but you ended up playing a
lot when guys got hurt, and you still had to
be prepared right just like you were.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
A starter, except you didn't know if you were going
to get in the game that day.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
I got kind of mad at Eric Kramer he got
hurt the second or third game of the season. I'm
thirty seven years old with the Bears, and now I'm going,
oh my gosh, I got to play the rest of
the year. And then the first thing he played was
the Raiders, so that made it even better. But yeah,
I got to play quite a bit right up until
the end when I got to Tennessee. Now I watched
Steve McNair. You want to talk about audibles. What did
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he do one time? He's such a great athlete. They're
playing the Baltimore Ravens with Ray Lewis and all these guys,
and he drops back. I think he audible to a
running play. That's exactly what he did. He audible to
running play and he dropped back what he's been up
for a pass and then he proceeded to run thirty
seventy years can't cut. They're all thinking that, they're going,
(27:00):
I'm like, dude, what happened? He goes I forgot out.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
Uh, there's a there's a story. There's a story out there,
and it is Dave. Dave, myself and Sam Atkins really
were the only three to ever witness uh this particular
situation that happened after or during an evening meeting the
night before a football game in.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Bellevue, in Bellevue, Washington, and.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Anybody can walk into the past. It can happen anybody,
I know.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
But it happened when all three of us were there,
and it would be okay that that he ran into it,
but then it knocked him down.
Speaker 6 (27:44):
Who ran into it?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Ken?
Speaker 5 (27:45):
Ken? So he's our quarterback coach, and you know, we
break up. Okay, Chuck had his his State of the
Union for the team meeting, and we're going to break up.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
And now we're going to go and fine tune the
last thing.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
And I'll be darned. We walk out outside. We're going
into another room and there's a sliding glass door there
and we're all right behind Kenny and man, he ran
smack into it. Man, and we it probably took us
fifteen minutes to you know, get composed after that because
(28:18):
there was a nose smudge of oil where he hit
the he hit his nose first. Oh man, that'll be
something that all three of us really, you know, we
can all eyewitness that story for we've told it for
years and years and years.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Oh goodness, that was there. Next morning. Well listen, I mean,
Kenny was one of Chucks boys, and you know he was.
I mean when I got the different places, you could
tell things run a little bit differently. And that was
you know, the way they had the way they ran
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things like Marty was wearing good business like and hard
practices like Chuck. But they paid a lot more attention
at detail in practicing stuff. Your drops what you're looking at. Yeah,
and you critique a lot more every every place you
go to.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
It's different, sure, And part of that I would expect
comes from as you guys got further into your careers.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
Obviously my name after.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Six, but as staffs grew, you had just more people
with eyes on. I mean we talked about it here before, Dave,
and that is you know, early on, Jerry Rome was
the quarterbacks coach, offensive coordinator, receivers coach. So he just
send us over to another part of the field and
we'd stand there and just throw the ball back and
forth until it was time to go seven on seven.
That's right, And not saying that that helped or hurt anybody.
(29:42):
Yoda was Steve large It was going to be Steve Largent,
regardless of whether he had a coach working with him
or not. I would expect that part of that was
just more people that saw you and coached you up
as you went further into your career, made you know
that detail that you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Hey, hey, out up Jerry Rome's name. I got to
tell you something. So nineteen eighty and I make it there,
I make the team, and all I did was call
my daddy, goes, well, what happened? I go, well, they
put I got a name, I got a jersey, my
name on the back, and I got the best seats
in the house. I'm on the sideline, you know. So
I told my dad I made the team. Right, There's
(30:18):
no lay in the heck I could have played. I
go over to the gym's house once in a while,
Mercer Island. I'm like, wow, and I go over there
and I go I watched FELM. I know what the heck,
gys look, I'm just watching the game. You know, I
didn't really know how to watch number when Sam samummam.
When I threw seventy five and I threw the Sam McComb.
It's a strong side hook round. I threw it tim
my first time ever, dropping back, He's like and he
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started yelling at me. I hit him right in chest
and yelled at me. But Jerry, Roll, listen, listen, my
very first start nineteen eighty you guys go to Cincinnati.
I think Turk Schoenart was going to be the quarterback there.
And we're playing anyway. So it's just a regular first
first game of the season for everybody, but for me,
it's my first NFL game. I'm on the my parents
(30:59):
drive all the way down from Wawsa. So remember how
we took those tests, Jim in eighty and eighty one.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yep, yep, Jerry.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
We took this test and I would get yes, I
would get sixties and fifties, there'd be more red ink
on my paper. Well, this is before we even this
is before we even took the test. So we're in
one of those meetings, and you were there in nineteen
eighty rates and they asked questions around the room, and
they'd asked me a question. I couldn't answer it, so
I go to Mark Bell. When Mark Bell answered it,
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then I go, oh my god. So I take this test.
So I take this test, so I'm lovely bro. I
take this test and the next morning, now they grade
the test, so I get my test back it's got
like a fifty seven. He couldn't even give me a
sixty fifty seven. It's got red ink on it. I mean,
this is a great of the game. So I'm like that,
I'm like, look, and I start to get real emotional.
(31:48):
I kindly and at Andy Circles. I couldn't even play
in this game if I had to. That's what Jerry
Room wrote on the top of my paper. So now
I get that, and I walk out of the meeting
room and I'll play the elevator. Is those two people
that drove all the way down to watch their son.
And I got tears in my eye, and I go, Jerry,
this is my dad and my mom. He just gave
me a fifty seven. Professor. It was so humiliating. Yes,
(32:14):
I didn't know how to study. I didn't know anything
about I didn't know anything, man, listen. I didn't know how
a tire tie. I remember the second plane trip I
took large and I went to the go out them.
I came out and someone my clip on tie was
sticking out and he snatched it and he goes, look,
he's got a clip on tie. He said. He everybody
on the plane. I'll never forget that tire tie.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, you defended yourself the way you had to, and
that was that chip on your shoulder made you a
Ring of Honor member and a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Yeah, it's almost little things. You're exactly right. It's almost
little obstacles and adversities you have come. No matter what
they are, they're humiliating, but at the same time there
there are opportunities for growth if you let them be correct.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yeah, I know one of the things that you that
has always been a badge of courage for you, and
that is your nickname, and that I hate that.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I don't know why we want to talk about that.
I mean, what is wrong with you guys? You know,
and you're and you're gonna bring it up. I'm the
whole thing. So I said to know, let me just
there's a hijack and do this correct.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
Let me just say when when we were in meetings
because we had some time and Jerry coached almost everybody
on offense, we would have a meeting and one one
time a week, Jerry Rome would say, Okay, tonight's to
night where you're gonna give We're gonna vote on a nickname.
And I don't know who the first was the first
one Yoda? Or was Steve Largent or was I can't
(33:51):
remember who? The first one was mine?
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Mind every nickname? I got the last one.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Let me, let me explain what happened.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
So everybody on the team, including you, Raves, you got
to Jim.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Listen, listen, it's not your nickname. Why are you explaining
of this?
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Yeah, So.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
We put him up on the on the board and
it wasn't a whiteboard because we only had chalkboards.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Right, So where you vote and.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
You you get to pick out Okay, give me two names,
Now give me one. And so there was three names
left and one of one of the end ones for Dave,
and it was obvious he was going to be named
mud Bone. It was just obvious that.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Was it, and no idea. Well, you know, I don't
remember even who came up with it. It was I
know exactly.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Who who is.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Bone?
Speaker 3 (34:49):
I know you, Jim, you finished the story of that.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Who came up with bones?
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Oh? Yes?
Speaker 6 (34:56):
Byron Walker?
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Byron Walker. He was the one.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
So here's here, here's the thing of this I want
to buy and asked that what's this mug mine? Because
it's a Richard Pryor album. I listened to it, so
I listened to it. It's so rich. Paul is this
comedic album and he's talking about an old man on
a pitch in two old Mississippi and it goes kind
of like this. I don't remember when I first went
to my bone. It was in two four old Mississippi,
and he was.
Speaker 7 (35:21):
I did so before you guys ask questions, Steve label
of all people, just be prepared that, which usually what
makes you a good reporter and the iconic reporter that
you are, Steve very more. And I'm just surprised that
you try to do it Barbara Walters on.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Me and make me cry at the end of the podcast.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
No, I would never do that, but I will say
that Jim was z Man and that sort of made sense,
and I was peaking.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Of course, anybody's gonna talk about other people's making names
when they're only good one we rage just what raves?
Speaker 3 (35:47):
What do they call you? Rage? No?
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Peaches? Peaches from that's.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
So sweet you But you don't like that? Do your age?
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Not? Especially?
Speaker 3 (35:56):
No?
Speaker 6 (35:57):
But I will say.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
That, yeah, yeah, yeah, So now you know what I feel.
That you want to talk about my nickname teachers, that's
what I'm gonna call the teachers there. We got the mustache.
He's trying to go any Jersey in this office.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
All right, So here's the here's the deal with and
with I think we've talked about this with Steve.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
We had Remember we had a we had a Halloween
costume party as a team, and everybody came with funny stuff.
Speaker 6 (36:25):
I remember Sharon and I were.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Rage. I don't want to talk about Halloween parties. I
just can't do, Okay.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
So anyway, Steve and Terry came as Princess Leah and Yoda,
except except that Steve was Princess Leah and Terry had
the rubber mask on. And what was funny was the
rubber mask looked a lot like Steve's face with the
you know, the Yoda mask. So he became He instantly
became Yoda. And when I went to Washington, d C.
(36:57):
And he was a congressman, I walk in his office
and there's all his staff around and all those people,
and I saw him on the far side of the
room and I yelled, Yoda, and everybody in the room
stopped and looked at me, like, this is a this
is Congressman largin Well Steve knew who I was talking to,
and he came over and we hugged, and then we
went back in his inner office and sat there and
shot the breeze for a while.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
But those things lived with you.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
And I know Steve probably doesn't like Yoda either, And
sometimes it's tough for me not to just say Yoda.
It just kind of it just sort of comes out.
Now you I don't call Mudbone. I call you Dave,
and always have, and Sharon always calls actually Sharon, Sharon
likes you a lot better than that.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
My call me Dave. My friends, my friends call me Dave.
Speaker 6 (37:39):
Okay, all right?
Speaker 2 (37:40):
And and yes, and we used to have a place
down in Arizona when and Dave has been down there
for a long time now and we used to visit
and his he is one of the I will and
I don't hear. I don't want to embarrass you, but
you were one of the most thoughtful people because you're
you always ask about Sharon, and she appreciates that, and
she sort of has always kind of felt like, you know,
(38:02):
he was like a younger brother. We took him under
our wing and then look at what he became. But
she just she adores you and I for the life.
And you don't know why.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Listen. I've got a story too, Dave.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
When I when I was here, we were having our
second child, Sarah and Dave came to the hospital to
see Joy and you know, congratulate us and stuff like that.
He told the hospital that he was my brother. That's
the only way they let him in. And so we
have a picture of Dave in the hospital room as
my brother and taking pictures with Sarah.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Oh gosh, and yeah, yeah, he's very.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Very that's right.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
The good stuff, Dave, the good stuff will follow you around.
The good things in your life will always follow you around.
And and you know, and football was just part of.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
That, right, You're exactly right. I don't want to keep
going on here. But last night I told you we
were talking a little bit. I took tway my daughter
because it was nice talking to you and BS and
what you like we always do and sparring. And my
daughter thought, so, who is that guy? So that's the
guy that wants me to do the podcast, and I
don't know if I want to do it. We're talking,
she goes, how do you know I've knowed since nineteen
eighty you've known him for since nineteen eighty about that rade.
Speaker 6 (39:16):
Yeah, hey, and so and so.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
There's a lot of things. There's your family, which I'm
so much closer to my family, even though the boys
aren't a big I love you guys and all that stuff,
but they go hunting and fishing and you do stuff together,
play golf, pickleball. And my daughter has really helped with
the family because she's brought a little bit more emotion
into it and all that stuff. So it's like a team.
Though when you're in it, you're in a locker room. Man,
(39:40):
I can't. I wish I could express this to everybody
out the world, so that you can show that you
can all get along no matter what. You know what
I mean, yeah, because there's nothing like a player's locker room.
There's nothing like it.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Nothing, David, What do you do today? Most of the time?
What are you doing?
Speaker 3 (39:55):
I want to get worked out before I did this
because I want to go hit golf balls at about
It's only open until four thirty down here. For some reason,
I worked out a little bit. I just got back
from the Rose Ball Man, what a venue. Oh my goodness, gracious, Yeah,
I was at the game Aldana. I drove all the
way there. My daughter flew there. She's Alabama grad and
(40:16):
I watched Alabama Michigan. I thought there were very trogodd offenses, like,
oh my gosh, but it was what and then the
b two bombers come around. I'm like, you couldn't even
hear that thing and it came right over the top
of us in the venue when the sun sets. I
can see why it's called the granddaddy of them all.
It is just what a field. So it was like
San Diego's field. Remember the oad field of San Diego
(40:37):
down at Jack Murphy. Oh my god, I thought it
was like a track. I mean I even fell faster.
Speaker 5 (40:42):
Yeah yeah, yeah, Well that's good. So you are involved
with your family a little bit more than you had
been when you played. Obviously we all are, uh, but
you do other When I.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Was playing, my family, my family came second everybody. No, no,
that's not true. I mean, can you imagine too well
to think about this, uh, Rage and Jim, because I
went the six different teams. Can you imagine moving Joy
from Blah blah blah to Detroit. I think you kind
of did it a little bit, but joinly went the
Green Bank back in Seattle, right well.
Speaker 5 (41:16):
On Washington, Washington, Washington, that I coached for the Lions
with Bobby Ross, coach.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
For the Chief. Student. You you coached for the Chief, didn't.
That's the other thing. I'm not going to cry. Yeah, hey,
I'm not going to cry milk here.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
But I moved joy nineteen times in my career.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So that side of it is. That's
why I said that's enough even for me, and I
wan't want to put my family through it. So I
just said I'm not doing that. I was pretty obvious
coaching the coaching part of it. The coaching part of
it would have been fun, but man, the time commitment,
I just don't get. I'm so glad coaches do it,
but I just couldn't do it. After playing nineteen years,
(41:52):
that's the last thing you want to do is go
sit back in those offices for another six months in
a row.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
It was it was it was time to take a break.
In fact, that was I was going to ask you,
had you ever thought about wanting a coach because you
learn from so many really good coaches and with all
those systems, all that stuff in your mind. Same as
Jim you just you didn't want to spend that much time.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
No, No, some guys, I think some guys are like
you can see even on TV Danner Rofski's on there now.
He is a backup. But some of the backups know
more about the technical side of football than the actual quarterbacks.
Troytman's pretty good at it because he I mean, he
actually played. But there's not a lot of guys that
can take the playing into coaching. It's just sometimes it's
(42:34):
like Joe Joe Montana would not be a good coach.
La wouldn't be a good coach Marino because they wouldn't
have the patience to go, this is what I mean, dude,
Like you know, nobody can do it like you. You know,
And that's that's some of it.
Speaker 6 (42:45):
Yeah, yeah, well.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
Listen, wait, wait, wait, there's another guy, Matt Kavanaugh. I
wrote him Jim yep, sure, ye I know man, Yeah, yeah.
He was my quarterback coach down there, and he really
was a good Yes, he was a good, good quarterback coach. Yes.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
And as I remember, Sam uh Sam Hankins had there
was some thought that when Jerry was had an opportunity
maybe to be a head coach in the USFL or
the World League or whatever that was, and.
Speaker 6 (43:14):
Somebody who knew the offense really.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
Well, I'm sorry I raised the interrupt because I think
I got to mention this, Jim at this. If I
don't mention this to be here, it would be crazy.
So the first game that if you broke your ankle.
I remember I said to you guys, didn't tell us
before the game, so imagine the other guy would be mule,
and they didn't tell either of us. He probably thought
didn't know for sure. But Sam helped me as much
(43:39):
as we also watched BOM. Sam was such a good teammate,
telling me all this stuff you need to hear, all
that kind of stuff. He was such a good I
can't even imagine Sam going, man, I'm getting my first
chance to and then begin to give it to me
and then I actually do good and he's over there
helping me. And then he'd always helped me study so
that I want to get sixties up while I was
getting eighties and nineties like the rest of you guys
(44:00):
pretty cool. Muell would do that step aside and yet
still help me and and and that's that to me,
that was a big deal.
Speaker 5 (44:08):
Sam's Sam's nickname is is Mule, so we all call
him mule.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
You call him mule.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (44:14):
But Sam actually helped me out one one year, uh
in recent history, because I coached in an All Star game,
uh one of the NFL p A Bulls or the
East West Shrine Game, and he was on my coaching staff.
And he's got a real good feel for football. So Dave,
you're right. I mean, he's he is all in and
(44:35):
he doesn't have to be in the spotlight, but he
knows ball and he knows how to listen.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
If it was Sam Atkins, there won't be you know,
they won't you know, Steve Rabo with the Seahawks because
he does is always George farm and writes these names
down that well, that needs to be said. I know,
I'm right about that. I think it needs to be
you know, everybody's second rass, every player every year. How
does he know all that? Sam Adkins right that.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
That's great, that's.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
Great, I said it.
Speaker 6 (45:06):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
He is.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
He has been an amazing help and he was an
amazing teammate. And as we wrap this thing up, Dave,
one of the things that that when we talk to
guys of our era. You know that started back in
the late seventies, and for you, nineteen eighty is we
still talk about and with the same guys that we
knew back then. You talked about teammates, you talked about
(45:29):
being in a locker room and on a team. Those
are the kind of things that nobody can take away
from you. And the minute you're back with those guys,
it's just like you were sitting in your locker back
in nineteen eighty or eighty one. It's just that relationship
that always that always stays with you. And you know
you had it for nineteen years with a whole lot
of different teams, but those relationships will always be there, right.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
Yeah, it's so true. And I want to tell you
one more thing about the adversity. Remember I told you
about the test before that number one first game, do
you guys number when we went to Dallas, we played
three games in eleven days, remember Ras, and all these
needles were sitting there in the Turney room. I'm like,
what are those needles about? And as I that was
forty and then so the game is fifty seven to
six years to sitting on the sideline talking to Rusty
(46:14):
do you want me to go in and tie it?
How did you do that? Near George Jessel?
Speaker 2 (46:18):
He we were getting ready to go. I think punt
it away or kick it return the kickoff again? I said,
you know I would run out and then tell the
return team you know, right left or middle?
Speaker 3 (46:27):
Sure?
Speaker 6 (46:28):
And uh And.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
We nobody knows George Jessel anymore. But Georgie Jessel was
an old comedian years and years ago. He used to
be on Johnny Carson and Rusty and I started doing
an impression of Georgie Jessel.
Speaker 6 (46:38):
He talked like this all the time.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
He said, hello, John how are you?
Speaker 2 (46:43):
We start talking like that, and we're getting there butts
handed to us by the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
It's fifty seven to six. We didn't even make the
extra pay.
Speaker 6 (46:49):
It was terrible. It was just terrible.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
And you said you want.
Speaker 6 (46:53):
Me to yes?
Speaker 2 (46:55):
And he said what do we want to do? And
he said, you know what should we do? He said, well,
let's not go in and win it all ones. And
I said, and now here we are now Jack but
Terra standing on the sidelines with his arms folded, you know,
watching his.
Speaker 6 (47:09):
Team Lammer, you guys go out and Rusty.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
And I just think This is just crazy, you know.
And here we go back out on the field again.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
So do you know who I threw the touchdown pass to?
Speaker 3 (47:19):
Ron? Oh? Was it? Finish the story?
Speaker 1 (47:27):
That's what That's what.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
They started story. They both tell about their start of it,
and then okay, they finish your So can you imagine it? Listen,
can you imagine this? Fifty seven to six, We're going
into the fourth quarter. Jim was a start, started the
whole first up, they go, We're not gonna let him
take a beating. We're gonna put Sam out there for
the third quarter.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
I think is Awa wend yep right at halftime?
Speaker 3 (47:48):
Yeah, and then you think we're tired out exactly exactly, so,
so they put in some This is kind of humbling
because now you're the third string guy. I'm over here,
I'm going this game. I'm thinking Cowboys. Randy White scared me.
Jerry's decided to put Jim back in the game. And
(48:10):
the boy i'd lively get in I didn't get it.
And I'm on the plane, I'm taking a shower. Yeah,
Sam was getting hurt. That's the only reason I got
in the game. Too. Everybody put did his through his lip,
his mustache. Yeah, he couldn't call the place. A lot
of going there and take a snap in nineteen eighty,
we couldn't call the play because his lip even throw
(48:31):
his mustache and Tom Jackson run his tooth way through
his lip was lying on their car. Time out, but
King on Lumber call time out. But Sam would get
hurt a little bit. But I did not even play
any game. So I'm on the airplane and Jerry comes
back says, you know I didn't play you. I'm like, no,
I'm kind of pissed. I'm like, I want to quit.
I want to fly to Wisconsin. And he goes, I
(48:53):
would have ruined your confidence as you going out there,
and he's kind of right. I'm glad he didn't. I
would have been just shell shocked. But Jim really go
back into a game at fifty seven and six, I
would have been pissed. I said, no, what's the other guy?
What Herman Weaver?
Speaker 6 (49:05):
In Weaver was our punter up.
Speaker 3 (49:13):
In the third string quarterback.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
And that was Thanksgiving Day, Thanksgiving Day, Yeah, that was
that was the third game in eleven days. I remember,
and I remember, you know the shots because Merlin Olsen
came into the locker room before Jack got there and
saw this, and he said, oh my god. He knew
how banged up we were, and he said, this could
be a rough one today, and I said, yeah, it
might be, and it turned out.
Speaker 6 (49:35):
To be that way. All right, anything else Z that
you need to know before?
Speaker 3 (49:39):
Yeah, yeah, I got as all as we're talking about
needles real quick. I did get my introduction to Tardal.
In nineteen ninety five, I played for the Cardinals. We
went four and twelve. Somewhere somewhere during the off season
or somewhere during training camp, my elbows started hurting my job.
If you get pickle ball, rock and ball elbow, it's
called and it started hurting my ow. So we had
(50:00):
to do practices where the offense won twice in the
time in row, and then they had these needles. I
either take a shot of Torda on the butt even
for preseason games. Made you feel great. But gosh, yeah,
they don't make that anymore. That's what you did back
in the old days. I'm telling you.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Well, back in the old days, they smoked cigarettes in
the locker room, as you mentioned, Yeah, that was.
Speaker 3 (50:21):
When I came out of my mouth like I smoked
them through.
Speaker 6 (50:24):
Well we didn't, none of us did, uh.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
And we we all have the great stories we all
you know, remember in those early days. And Dave, I
hope it wasn't too much of an imposition to call
you last night and say, hey, come on and join
us today, because we've wanted to get you on here
and listen. Your royalty when it comes to the Seahawks
and fans especially and in the Ring of Honor, and
(50:48):
we'll always be thought of that way, uh. And we
just we just appreciate it, and thank you for taking
the time.
Speaker 6 (50:53):
Brother, Thank you, David, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
Jim Williams, I appreciate My daughter said you can't not
do that with your friend Dad, so I had to
do it.
Speaker 1 (51:03):
She shamed you to him.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
I'm glad that's right.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
Z Man and Peach will will we have. Thank you
for that, and thank all of you for listening to
Sea Yak stories. It's it's always a treat to catch
up with some of these semi old guys. And until
the next time, Zee, thanks so much. David again, thank you,
and we will see you folks next time.
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