November 21, 2023 • 42 mins
Nick Bebout, an anchor on the offensive line for the first four season in Seahawks franchise history, joins the program to share memories from his playing days in Seattle, and beyond. Today show: Getting to Seattle (01:51), Expansion Seahawks (05:00), The Sprint Draw Series (07:41), Nick’s move to Minnesota (10:53), Final game of 1976 and getting shot with a BB gun(13:34), Training Camp back in Cheney (17:35), Working jobs in the offseason (21:43), Meetings with Howard Mudd (25:37), and Nick Bebout’s importance to the Seahawks (39:14).
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Seahawks stories, teaking you behind the scenes
with your favorite Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Set back to behind. Zorn, who's back to pass as
time looks for the left sideline, throws a bomb down there.
He's got a man in front.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
He makes the grab a travel at thirty down of
the twenty.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
They'll never get him.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
He scores touched up.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
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Speaker 3 (00:19):
And Zorn laid it in perfectly a rabel who goes
in to score on an eighty yard pass and run play.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Now here's your host, the voice of the Seahawks, Steve
Riebol and Seahawks legend Jim Zorn.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I don't know about you, Zee, but I still get
I get the willies. I get goosebumps every time I
hear that.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
I love hearing.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Most people don't know that, Pete said in Zorn couldn't
have done it a list nick bebout watch for his
front side.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Well, but we know that the trum because the nigg
be about our left tackle not been there to block
that front side rusher for the Minnesota Vikings, that pass
might never have been made. I might not have made history.
I don't think I made history. I just caught a pass. Anyway,
He's our guest today, our first offensive tackle, Nick bebout Nick,
(01:08):
how are you a great?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Thank you guys so much for asking me to be
on the program with you. I'm really looking forward to
sharing some old memories, hearing some of your stuff. You
guys can put up with my set. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Well it is. It's great to have you on. And
I was thinking about how, in fact, I was telling
Steve before we started, how odd it is that you
know we have we have history together, yet we don't
stay in touch weekly or even monthly. You and I
to talk about old times, old stories, And I'm racking
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my brain. You came in right from the start, but
you had been I didn't know you were with the
Atlanta Falcons. Tell me how did how did all that happen?
And how did you get to Seattle?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Yeah, jim My last my last year at Laramie was
seventy two, and I was drafted by the Falcons in
seventy three, and I spent the three four and five
season down there with Norm van Brocklin.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
So you can.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Imagine what that was like. Okay, Nor Norman was a Stickler.
He was like a tough old guy. He he had
played the game, which a lot of our coaches we
had had not, but Norman played and knew kind of
what it took. And so it was those were challenging years.
(02:33):
Three years and and then takes.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah, who was your quarterback? Who was your quarterback?
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Then?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
When you when you started out.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Quarterback in seventy three was Bob Lee called him?
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Generally? We had a really successful season.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I think we went nine and five with Bob. Pat Sullivan,
who had won the Heisman Trophy in seventy two, was
there all three years, but he never played. I don't
think he and Norm got along too well. That never
did play. Okay, bomb Lee was there for two years,
and then they traded for Steve Bartkowski and bart came
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in in seventy five.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
So right, and then you we got you in the
expansion draft.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
How did you find out? How'd you find that out?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Nick?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
How'd you find out you were going to end up
in Seattle? And what did you think?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Well, I tell you the truth, I was a little disappointed.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
I was in Wyoming.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I had gone back there and my brother and I
had started this small drilling company and I was working
in Wyoming and my phone rang and it was on
an April day and it was Marion Campbell, who was
then the head coach. He said, Nick, he said, I'm
calling to inform you that you've just been chosen by
the Seattle Seahawks in the expansion draft. And he said
thanks for all your time here in Atlanta and your
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effort and everything, and good luck to you. And it
was kind of a shock. I just kind of sat
back and I thought, oh boy, here we go.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Had you moved down, had you established things in Atlanta
and then you had to pick up and leave like
a lot of players do, or was it easy?
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Exactly?
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I had owned a home barre in Atlanta, and I
put it up and sold right away, and and uh
then I that's July.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
I was headed for Cheney and.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
You got and uh your first coach.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Was Sam Right.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Yeah, Sam Bagosan, Aambagosian.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Yeah, there was. And I heard I heard in.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Earlier podcast of you guys, you know you talk about
the pictures. There were seven white shirts in the picture.
Of the rest were players. We had three offensive, three defensive,
and then Jack Right for coaches.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
And of course Sam, Sam and Jerry and Andy were
offensive people as you too. Well, you were there from
day one just like I was. Yeah, and it sure
has changed over the last forty years.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Oh my goodness. Well, obviously everything has changed. The whole
world has changed in the last forty years. Well, some
of those thoughts that you remember. So now you're a
veteran coming into Seattle, a team that's never existed before.
And here you got a young guy who we got
as a free agent at quarterback. You got a guy
who we traded for with Houston at a wide receiver spot.
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You got young rookie guys like Sherman Smith and Sammy
Green and myself and Steve Niehouse. Our first ever draft
shows that was quite an electic, eclectic crew that we
had at seventy six.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
You know, thank god Seattle, in the entire Northwest didn't
expect us to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
In nineteen seventy.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
I think the crowd, as I remember in the Kingdom,
they were totally on our side. We win two games
in seventy six.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Yeah, and that was when we were well.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Received by all the people, and I think that made
it a little easier.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
You're exactly right, Nick, was I said this on an
earlier podcast that it seemed like we almost made the
playoffs way our fans treated us, and we won two games,
so uh, you know that that continued. How did you, uh,
how did you try? Did you transition well? Or were
you rolling your eyes with the idea of uh uh
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Norm van Brockland to Jack Buttera and no water and
Cheney Washington was out, we'd just change for a change
for you.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Well, when I got the call in April, I sat
back and I thought, oh boy, this is and it
kind of was. I said, this is going to be
like being a rookie all over again. But I made
up my mind there and I worked hard for about
four months. When I got into camp into Cheney, I
I kind of had it where I was going to be,
and I said, I'm going to be here and we're
going to make this thing work. And it took took
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some time, but after a couple of years we kind
of got our act together and and I think we
did great things in the four years I was at Seattle.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
We did.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Wow, we did.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I mean we won a lot of games and just
just you know, thinking back how close we were to
getting into the playoffs. You don't realize it at the
time because the pres you know, when you're playing in
the present, it's hard to think about the implications of
what could have been and what should have been and
all that kind of stuff. But yeah, we we improved
very very quickly. And you being being left tackle for me,
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you were on my front side, and but we had
when did when did we change? Were you there when
Howard came in?
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Yeah, Howard was the head coach in seventy eight. Howard
the offensive line.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Coaches said, okay, in seventy eight and we started this
sprint draw series. Did you have to Yeah, did you
have to learn? Like what were your your rules in
the sprint draw coming to your side or going away?
How did you how did you have to block that
defensive end or even the inside the inside defensive tackle
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in that In that series, it.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Seemed like every team that we would play against, their
speed rusher was always their right defensive end or right
across from me. Howard Howard spent a lot of time
with me. He said, Nick, He said, if you can
get that guy to walk out there with he says,
take a three foot line split, take a two foot,
take a four foot He says, as long as you
can get him out there, the farther you can get
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that defensive end to line up out there, the better
off everybody is. And the sprint draw was so great
because I'd set up for a pass and if he
took an upfield rush, I'd laugh him with my right
hand and then try and go off and get a block.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
And the sprint draw that was a great play for us.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
It really was. It was a great base.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
So much around that, you know, our passing game or
running game. Nick, think back, talk about the guys that
you were on that line with the Papa Figs and
the Arts, and Norm Evans and and Howard as an
offensive coach, bringing all you guys together, because as Jim
and I were talking before, you and I talk when
you left and a couple of those other veteran guys
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left is when we had to kind of start over
again and we went backwards instead of moving forwards. But
talk about those guys that you played with, and we
all played with upfront.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Oh we got there.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
No, Norm shill is and always was a great friend
and did a heck of a job over on the
right hand side.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
In fact, he was. And then Aggie they were the
blind side tackles.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
You'd get left hand sure, of course, I don't tell
too many people that.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
But no, you played left tackle.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
But we had we had Fig, and we had Coder,
and we had Damari and Bob Tension, Gordon Jolly, of course,
Fred Hogland and Art where our centers in and Yarno
came in the next year, but older.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Veterans, uh it was. It took some.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Time, and as we were only two and twelve and
seventy six. The next year, I think we win five games,
but then Algie was number one choice. Oggie really didn't
start playing, I don't think till about the middle of
seventy seven. Yeah, and then Norton kind of sat back,
but Fig was there all the time, and I think
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Art played center most of seventy seven, and then John
took over in seventy eight, and Fig Fig was always
right guard. He and Coder split time there and at
the left side was started with Jolly in seventy seven,
and then Tom Lynch moved in about halfway through the season,
and Tom was there for the next two years with
me at left guard. So we all grew together and
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we learned and and we had we had. Most importantly,
we had fun. And I'm still I'm still talking to
a lot of those guys, if not weekly, for sure
monthly as a friendship has continued to flourish.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yep, how did you you left in nineteen eighty to Minnesota?
And how did that? How did that happen? I mean, why, well,
why did we make the decision to send you to Minnesota?
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Jack called me in and he said, Nick, he said,
we've got we've got that number one draft choice that
we picked the kid that couldn't run the hill at Cheenie.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
That he was actually he was second round choice. You're
talking about andre Andre Hines.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
That's exactly right. Yeah, yeah, excuse me, second round. And
then he said, we think we've got Bullard who's ready
to go. And Minnesota called and they've got two hurt tackles.
So I saw a chance to maybe it'll be a
good move for you, Nick, maybe it won't be. And
I said, Jack, I'm not worried about myself, I'm worried
about you guys here.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Without good answer, that really is and so.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
But anyhow, I was on a plane early the next
morning on the way to Minnesota and got out there
and it was another adjustment, but that's all part of life.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Well, at least you were playing for a guy who
coached Jack, but when Jack was the defensive line coach
there in bud Grant, so they were probably very similar,
kind of stoic guys, and yet once you got to
know them, maybe away from the game, and certainly in
the years after that fact. I've told people this before.
Jack Terra was as funny and as warm a person
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as you could ever want to see. And we'd go
up to visit him up in kle Elham, up at
his home up there where he raised hunting dogs and
tell old stories and laugh and carry on. I wish
we'd seen a little more of that when we were playing,
but I understood as coaches they had to have that
separation from us as players.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
I think you're right, Steve.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
There's a fine line there between when you're playing, the
relationship that a coach and a player has to have,
and a little distance between him versus twenty years later
when you sit in the room and laugh and giggle
and tell other types of stories.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
There's a big difference there, right.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
And you don't really know how much the coach influenced
as you until later on either you know, and then
you realize you remember his one liners and you remember
certain certain things that he either did during the game
or practice, and yeah, then you start and then you
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talk to other guys and you learn so much more.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Right right, here's here's one of the things I remember
from from Jack front.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Up, back up.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
For about ten minutes we do grass drills up down.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Oh hey, Nick, I want you to tell the story
because I may have remembered it incorrectly, but I want
you to tell us the exact account because I'll because
I'm going to tell it again when you after you
tell me when we were playing the Philadelphia Eagles in
Philadelphia in that weird just that carpet stadium that had
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the rug thelu was worn out. I mean it was
like a carpet that was worn out. But uh, we
were playing the Philadelphia Eagles and there was a timeout.
So take it from there, because you've got to tell absolutely.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
I'm going to preface this story. I think that was
the last game we had in seventy six. We were
playing in vettert Stadium in Philadelphia, and if you guys
remember now I might be wrong, but when we got
there Saturday, for our little walk around practice.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
That we always did.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah, our good equipment manager had forgotten to bring footballs.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
That's good now, if you.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Think back, we didn't have any football to go through
that little practice with, so that was kind of the
first thing that happened. But yeah, Jim, you're exactly right.
We were. We were in the huddle. I believe it
was like middle of the second quarter. We were in
the middle of a series, and I was I always
always thought that they were were aiming at you, but
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I was kind of bent over in the huddle, and
all of a sudden, I.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Screamed up.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I know, we all we all just like out of
the out of the blue, and.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
I said, I don't I think I've been shot. And
the referee come over and he said, are you okay?
And I said, right here in my hip, I think
I've been shot.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
This is the sum.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
We're in the field. We're in the middle of the field,
and I'm looking at and on the other side of
the field is Bill Bergie. He was the middle linebacker
in the star of that defense, you know. And I
don't even was it a two minute warning or was
it it was a time out? And we're sitting there.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
It was something like that exactly. Yeah, I can't remember,
but I actually got shot.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Well, so it was like a pellet gun, right, So that's.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
What that's what they.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Didn't You didn't didn't somebody find it? But you had
a welt right on your Oh.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
I went yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Right after we finished the series, I went over the
sidelines and Bruce and Jim, you know, we didn't have
the Blue Tan or the Black and Town on the sidewin,
and they held up two towels. So I dropped my drawers,
I said, I said, white, So don't you let that
towel go.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Please, please don't.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
So I dropped my drawers and the dock looked at it,
and I had a waft there about the size of
a silver dollar. And he said, well, you'll be okay.
It didn't break the skin and nothing. You'll be okay.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Did we ever past? Back up?
Speaker 1 (16:48):
I thought you picked up the pellet Maybe.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
I think somebody found it. I don't have it.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
I wish I had it now, but I think somebody
did find it out there on the field.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I mean, just think about the great an NFL game.
Somebody brings a weapon into the game and fires it
at and you're probably right they were aiming for Jim
and they which are behind by mistake because it was
probably one of the bigger ones in the huddle at
the time.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
You protected me more more ways than you ever dreamed of.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Oh, that's exactly right. I had. They had to hear
me screaming omaha as loud as I hollered.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Well, it's it's one for the books, I'll tell you
as one of the great stories of all times. As
so many things I remember, Nick, one of the things
I remember about training camp again you mentioned it were
in Cheenie. It's in August. It's like one hundred degrees
every day. Uh. And we practice with shoulder pads and
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helmets in the morning and then full gear in the afternoon,
and we'd hit every day. And one of the things
I always remembered was as soon as we finished that
afternoon practice, there was a bunch of us that would
immediately head into town to a place called Showalters, which
was one of the little taverns for students at Eastern Washington,
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and run in there and hydrate real quickly so you
could go back and eat dinner because you're you're just
so tired and so we all have a beer or
two and then we'd go eat dinner, then we go
to meetings, and you know, it was one of those
ways that really fostered I think, a kind of a
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friendship in our group when we were all coming together.
And in fact, Jim and I were talking about Mike Homgren,
who's going to join us here soon on this program.
Mike's first year here, he went to Eastern Washington, and
he said that very thing I wanted to get these
guys out of the city. I want to get them
together in a training cap setting. You can't say enough
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about what that means to help form a team, can you.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
I think it was so important it brought it brought
us together. You Now, I would almost bet that on
any NFL team in this day and age, people don't
do half the things together that we used to do
in the in the late seventies.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
I would I would just almost think that.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
But Nick, you were probably a rule follower on our team,
so I'm sure that you didn't. You didn't have anything
that you did off the field that in cheening especially,
What are you thinking.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
About, Well, I can't elaborate about that.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
If you much that now.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I'll tell you what I training camp. I remember we
were all down on the lower floors because there was
no air conditioning in Louise Anderson Hall where we stayed.
And so if you were a younger player, you were
up higher because it was hotter up there, and if
you were, you know, a veteran, you were down on
the in the basement level where it was cool. And
I just remember the strains of a guitar down the hall.
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And I'd wander down the hall close to bed check
time and there's Nick sitting there with a guitar, you know,
playing his good strumming his guitar in his underwear with
a toilet seat around his neck. And I have no
idea what in the world toilets a toilet seat around
his neck, And it was it seemed natural. I mean,
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it seemed like an absolutely natural made to sound better. Absolutely,
I have no idea.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Those those were trade mark out.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Well, if we don't, nobody's gonna know. And and everybody
is interested in knowing what guys like that did, and
and just and we just laughed. I it was also
I think part of it was it's in us against them.
You know, Jack was tough, his rules were tough, practices
were hard, it was hot, and I think we all
kind of stuck together because it was almost in us
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against them kind of mentality.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
A little bit, you could do it for a while,
but to do it as long as we had to do,
especially in the early, the early early days. You know what, Nick,
I added up all the time that all the weeks
that I spent in Cheenie dorms. I kid you not,
because I I coached after I played there. I coached there.
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I coached with Mike Hongrin for seven years and I
stayed and we stayed every year in Chenie. I spent
I have spent a whole year, fifty three weeks of
my life literally in Chenie dorms. That's a lot.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
And in the summer it's not like you're there in
the spring when it's nice, cool and all that. But
that was right, Nick, That's part of just getting yourself
in shape. A lot of people don't remember many of
us had jobs in the off season. We didn't make
a ton.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Of Everybody had to work, sure, everybody needed some extra income.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Did you in the off season go back to Wyoming
because you're from Riverton. Riverton, Wyoming, correct, absolutely, Jim.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Every every year, once once the season was over, I
would come back. My brother and I started the small
drilling company in seventy six about a two or three
little rigs, and in fact, we're still in business. We're
we're doing well. I think we've got fourteen rigs now,
about sixty employees smoked, and and we stay busy, we
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stay busy, and I'm still I'm still actively working in
the business.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
So yeah, it's it's still fun. It's fun.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, But your rigs you drill. So these are drilling rigs,
but you drill more or maybe you exclusively drill water,
or do you drill anything that anybody comes up with,
like what.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Just about all all phases of drilling, Jim. We've got
probably three or four little water rigs. I've got three oil,
which you would call an oil and gas rig, capable
of drilling twelve thousand feet. I've got a little hell
of even got a little rig you know that'll drill
underneath the street and come up over there at three
hundred feet like for a run fiber optic line or
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a gas line or something like that. Helicopter rig. I
got two of those for going up in a remote
area lifted in by helicopter, and then assembling the rig
and doing cord drilling, wireline core, conventional cord drilling.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Yeah, basically all phases of it.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
We've had to diversify and be for whatever.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
We're going through in the economy.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
I mean sometimes oil and gas drilling is hot right
now it's not.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yeah, Well you've really yeah, you've really used that University
of Wyoming scholarship and degree that you got then.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Absolutely, and I met a lot of good people Woming,
A lot of people Wombing has a heck of a
patrollum engineering school, and a lot of people in their
own gas business have passed through Laramie or no of it,
And so it's helped that sure has, and being a
graduate from Laramie has helped.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Hey, Nick, how big were you when at your biggest
as a as a tackle in the National Football League?
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Well, that keeps going back through my mind. I was
always between sixty five and six six, And when I
got to when I came in in seventy six, I
weighed to seventy five, but I always climb of climbed
up to two eighty or two eighty five, and I
still felt quick at too eighty five. But now, guys,
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a six foot five, two hundred and eighty five pound tackle,
well that's a tight end.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Side right now, exactly an outside of the linebacker.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
I mean these kids now are six seven, three hundred
and thirty pounds. And I mean, I'm not saying you
weren't cut. I'm not saying you weren't like chiseled out
of stone. But these guys are chiseled out of stone.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Tell the truth.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
It's just a whole different it's a whole different deal
now and again. And that's not to say we couldn't
play now because we now have their training and their
you know, their menus and all that kind of stuff,
their their medical Uh, we'd all, you know, be kind
of in the same category. But these kids today, boy,
they work hard and and they they they're they're terrific athletes.
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But you know, all in all, for for a bunch
of guys who ate donuts every morning, I thought we
did okay.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
And pizza every night.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yeah. Uh hey, hey, uh, Nick, tell me about being
in a meeting with Howard Mudd because he had, you know,
he had different ways of coaching, teaching and uh, you
guys spend a lot of time together, and he was
very proficient in explaining what you guys, you know, what
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the what your rules were, and how to get it done.
Give me some of the antidotes that you remember Howard
in your meetings with him.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Well, you remember the big one when Howard would say
to a guard or attack and he said, what.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
The heck were you doing here? What happened here?
Speaker 3 (26:22):
And the first thing the guy says, well, I thought,
and Howards had stopped stop right there, He said, don't
you think every time you think you hurt the team,
just react?
Speaker 4 (26:34):
You just react.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Yeah, but tell me, okay, I can get that one.
I can picture that one. But tell me about the
black I remember walking having to walk through the O
Line meeting room to go to my meeting, and there
was a chalkboard that had a list of about twenty
different sayings or reasons or whatever. What was that all about?
Speaker 3 (27:02):
He had to play on all kinds of words and
he would, you know, he draft up a list of
excuses that circulated and he said, I don't want to
hear any of these from anybody.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Just give me a number.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Isn't that Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Did you write that whole list? Down and memorize all
the numbers that he had.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
I took a picture of it. I've got it hanging
in my office in Riverton, Wyhoming. Have those excuses, yes.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Oh yeah, we should probably let everybody know as well,
for those of that don't know Howard Mudd was not
only a great offensive line coach for US, but he
was with the Colts. I believe he was with the Eagles.
Was he with the Chiefs at one time? And everywhere
he went. Yeah, he was like considered one of the
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great teachers of offensive linemen in the entire league, not
just in the city that he was in, but in
the entire National Football League. And he passed away. It's
been about two years ago now, maybe yeah, more than that. Yeah,
And we miss him, you know, every time we talk
about this, we all miss him because he was he
was such a great guy. And again it was sort
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of like Jack, we'd visit now long past our playing
days and you start to find out things about guys
that you know, Hey, these guys are really terrific people.
And I know that Nick. You you were around enough
coaches and folks like that that you find this. You
find this out too, Maybe long after your playing days.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Howard Howard was he was so good with me. In
seventy eight when he came in. He had just been
with the Chargers the year prior to and Jack hired
him when Sam was gone. Jack brought Howard in and
we're getting ready to play the Chargers and Howard said, Nick,
he kind of pulled me off the side, Nick, I'm
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going to tell you about this guy.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
His name's fred Dean. Oh my.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
He said, you if if you put Fred Dean on
the starting line and have a guy holding the pistol
next to him and they both go off at the
same time, fred Dean will beat that bullet.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
For fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
And he told me that and he wasn't breaking the
smile or nothing. He was dead serious, hard and I'm
listening to that and I started shaking.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Oh man, you know, he.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Was right off. Fred Dean was very fast.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
He was fast.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
You know.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Howard would also say, don't be lay off the call.
You're late, you're beat, and he was right.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah, yeah, that was I think, uh Fred, That d
line was one of the Louie kel Yeah, you it
was Fred Dean, big hands, Leroy, it was big hands Johnson.
It wasn't Leroy, it was I forgot his first name.
But all those guys, and then there was an obscure
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guy that nobody knew about because everybody knew about Louis
and fred Dean. But fred Dean passed away. Three of
the four guys have passed away, but Louie Kelcher is.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Still still alive a way.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Yeah, and he's probably talk about big hands or thick hands.
Your hand would disappear.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
I can share I can share this story with you guys.
In seventy eight, Lynch was starting at left guard seventy
seven a little bit with me and I can't remember
which year it was, but he was kind of shook up.
We're getting ready to play the Chargers, And in a
meeting he looked at me, and he kind of looked
at John and Fig. He says, he says, hey, you guys, Nick,
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you get done with Fred Dean, and if you got
culture handle over there, you guys can give me a
hand with big hands, because I might need some help.
Sure enough, Tom, I'll be as soon as I get
his but turned over, I'll be over.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
There to help. Yeah. Well, and remember too, for those
folks who were listening, we were in the AFC West
all those years. So we played the Chargers and the
Chiefs every year, the Raiders every year. They we we
I still don't like the Raiders. And part of it
was because of the days that we played them and
we beat them. You know, we'd go, we beat them
twice in a year.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Yeah, and you and you wouldn't smile. You didn't feel like,
you know, going out and rejoicing after you beat the Raiders.
It was just a hard fought game, and you would, uh,
nobody would, you know. The excitement was just the fact
that you lasted and you won.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
It was just it was a fight all the time.
And somebody was asking me the other day about the
Raiders and I said, yeah, one of the dumbest things
I ever did was we used to have here in town.
They used to Don Anderson, Remember, the pr guy used
to bring a player or a coach to this press
luncheon on Tuesdays, sure, at a little restaurant downtown. I
can't remember the name of the restaurant. It was an
Italian restaurant. It was right near the Kingdom there you go,
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and we'd go down there, and I remember I went
down on one week the week before the Raiders game,
and so I'm doing a Q and A with the
press who were there, and it's kind of informal, but
one of the one of the questions, you know, will
the Raiders. You think the Raiders will be up to
play you guys, And I jokingly said, with all the
drugs they take, they've been up all week, and that
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that made the bulletin board. I was told later in
Oakland that made the bulletin board. And I don't remember
if it was the game that I got knocked out
in or not by Jack Tatum, but all I remember
was those guys didn't they didn't smile a lot on
the Raiders. You know, they had two's and those guys
eventually and and assists drunk and and motus, Jack Tatum
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and those guys they were they were They were nasty
and they were mean and and that was just how
they played. And that's why it was well, it was so.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
With it.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
As much as we disliked them, we were able to
beat them, and actually we beat Kansas City a fair
amount too, But it was the Chargers we always had
trouble with. Well, yeah, part of that was they had
Dan Fouts, who was pretty good quarterback at the time,
you know out.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Oh yeah Chargers, Oh yeah, yep, so and.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Don they were solid. That was a tough one for us.
You know, the Denver the Denver Series was always a big,
a big deal for us. Hey not, and I know
both of you guys were there. In nineteen seventy eight,
Denver comes to Seattle. We're playing at home, We're tied
up at the end of regulation, we're going to overtime.
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I think Wind's down to like two minutes left in
the game. They line up to kick. Guess what, he misses,
but we've got twelve guys on the field.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Oh the three nights ago, Oh my, yeah, Green Nights Ago.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Denver's in Buffalo playing. They're behind a point or two,
and they line up to kick the field goal and
he misses. But guess what, Buffalo has twelve guys on
the field. They move it ahead five yards, he kicks it,
and they went the game.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Isn't that something I did not know?
Speaker 4 (34:03):
That?
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Did you?
Speaker 4 (34:05):
Five years ago? When they did that to us?
Speaker 2 (34:09):
I remember vaguely the twelfth the twelfth man on the field, and.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
You remember his name, But we should do we should
honor him by.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
You know not so, and he was exactly right. He
was a great kid, a great young man. And there
was no as I remember, there was nobody more crestfallen
after that game than him. And and you know, he
didn't have a great long career, but he played a
little while and he became, I guess, you know, a
terrific guy in the community and and all. And he
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was just such a good young man. But yeah, man,
I hadn't remembered that in all these years. And and
you remind me, twelve guys on the field, they get another.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Chick when the same thing happened just the other night
and Denver one again. Yeah, man, the one thing I
was thinking about, you guys in ninety eight that year
or seventy eight, we went nine and seven. Now, if
we had tied that game, we would have been nine
six and one. Yep, and Denver would have had one
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last wine? Would that could we would we have been
eligible for any playoff contention if that happened.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
As I remember, that's that's the way it kind of happened.
We ended up being one game out of the playoffs,
So I had a game either way would have made
a difference.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
I remember, I was thinking about that and I and
I thought many of you guys that have that right
on the tip of your tongue. But as usual, an
offensive lineman will have to help you a lot.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Yeah, and we certainly appreciate you bringing back some of
those memories, that's right, But I do I do remember
the The only thing I do remember is as thinking
about how close we were and how frustrating that was
that we that we come under you know, we come
under the authority or the rules of the land. When
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you're playing in the NFL and you you have to
make sure you know what they are. You have to
make sure you know what gets you there, and it
does it feels unfinished, right, unfinished business.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Absolutely as successful as we were, you're still left want more.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah, yeah, we we were, in fact, the most successful
expansion franchise in its third year in the history of
the league in nineteen seventy eight, going nine and seven.
And I don't think anybody expected us to be there,
and yet there we were because we had guys like
Nick who were veterans that we could build around with
a bunch of us young guys who are now just
starting to figure it out. I mean, you know, I
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think I've told you, Jim, my third year was, you know,
the best year, third and fourth year, my second year
when you'd expect most rookies to kind of make that
next step. Yeah, I kind of got in with Ed
marin Arrow for a while, and I sort of missed
some things that I should have been awake in the meetings,
and I think I missed out on a couple of things.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Nick.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
We partied a little more than we should have in
nineteen seventy seven, but I learned from my mistakes. I think,
what would you could you turn around and play right now?
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Nick?
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Oh, I'm about I'm still about six five, three hundred pounds,
but I think getting rolled on the ground and trying
to jump up and go again, I think it's I'm
past my prime.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
I was more wondering if you were playing today. I mean,
if you were a young guy today, would you be.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
I think I could easily weigh three hundred and twenty
pounds and still play. Yeah, if I were twenty six
years old, yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Do you come back and get Are you involved with
any of the alumni things that go on here in
Seattle being in Wyoming?
Speaker 3 (37:55):
You know, I don't get a chance to get up
there very much. I think, of course, I was for
the Petera Air Reunion, which will kick.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
Yep, and I and I dropped the bug in our.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Players, the new guy that the Seahawks have running our
alumni association about a.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Fifty year reunion, okay, and maybe maybe.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
If we push on it, maybe we can have something
like that coming.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
Up in a year or two, which would be great. Yeah, yeah,
it'd be great.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
But I think this, I think the Seahawks would absolutely
do something along those lines. I mean, you know, there's
only one fiftieth anniversary team. I mean that, you know,
you take a look at the rest of the league
and there's only one of those. And so somewhere I
have that old team picture of all of us. It's
on a you know, one of those boards. Remember those
we used to get They were.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
Oh yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
You hung it on the wall and after about six
months it would yank the hook out of the wall
and fall on the table and break something glass and
then sharing a scream at me. And that was that.
Uh So we stopped. We stopped hanging those things up.
But those those were those were great memories and the
only thing that's better, Nick, is that we all or
most of us are still around to be able to
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talk about those days and to have fun and to
laugh about it. And and all I can say, and
Jim and I have on this on this podcast, have
had a chance to talk about the things that have
happened over the years when we played. And we both
are in agreement that we really, in our estimation, did
a disservice to our organization or our team, especially when
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you left, because you were one of those glue guys
that just held everything together and made made it not
only work, but made it fun too.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Yeah, well, thanks, thank you, Thank you so much for
the kind word there. Art Kan, who was my roommate
there for the five years at Cheeney. I was sitting
in there with Art and I said, Art, this year,
we're going to be in the playoffs. In nineteen eighty,
I said, we're going to go to ten and six.
Do you know who we're gonna beat and who we're
going to lose to. We're going to go ten and
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six and we're going to be playoff bound. Well, those
all those plans got changed when when I left. But yep,
uh no, I had had some great time. You two guys.
We're such an important part of that that team and
that organization. And uh and I think what you're doing
now is great getting some of the older guys in talking.
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I heard a little bit of the uh podcast you
had with Mule or I should say sam At excuse me, uh,
and that was great good stuff.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
Uh uh and uh.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
You guys are just doing good with what you're doing.
And and best of luck to both of you in
the future.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Thanks, Hey, Nick, uh, I appreciate that. Don't make us
go call r QNE and tell us about a toilet
seat around your head while you're singing. That seems like,
you know, we're going to probably get a lot of
phone calls asking, okay, we need the toilet seat. S
how come that's such a private thing.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
Well, anyhow, I had no idea.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
I think that you didn't hang around with us down
to the end of the hall with the strumming.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
You and Steve.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Stayed and study, which is why he's in the Hall
of Fame and you're in the Ring of Honor and
I'm down there singing with those knuckleheads with with toilet
seats and guitars. That's that's exactly exactly. Well, listen, Nick,
we've taken enough of your time. We always appreciate.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Thank thanks so much for inviting me into to share
some stories and relive some of the old times with you.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Really fun to have you on, Nick, See you later.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
Thanks brother, guys, take care of all right. I love
you too.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
We will continue conversations with guys just like Nick. Bebout
and there's there's a bunch of them from our old days.
We still haven't talked to Sherman Smith yet. We still
haven't talked to Sam McCollum yet. Now you know, we've
got lots of guys we can talk to, plus in
succeeding generations, the Homebrens of the world, in Matt Hasselbeck's
guys that you coked, Matthew, they're going to be with us.
So don't you folks miss miss a single episode of
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
I don't know about you, Zee, but I still get
I get the willies. I get goosebumps every time I
hear that.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
I love hearing.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Most people don't know that, Pete said in Zorn couldn't
have done it a list nick bebout watch for his
front side.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Well, but we know that the trum because the nigg
be about our left tackle not been there to block
that front side rusher for the Minnesota Vikings, that pass
might never have been made. I might not have made history.
I don't think I made history. I just caught a pass. Anyway,
He's our guest today, our first offensive tackle, Nick bebout Nick,
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how are you a great?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Thank you guys so much for asking me to be
on the program with you. I'm really looking forward to
sharing some old memories, hearing some of your stuff. You
guys can put up with my set. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Well it is. It's great to have you on. And
I was thinking about how, in fact, I was telling
Steve before we started, how odd it is that you
know we have we have history together, yet we don't
stay in touch weekly or even monthly. You and I
to talk about old times, old stories, And I'm racking
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my brain. You came in right from the start, but
you had been I didn't know you were with the
Atlanta Falcons. Tell me how did how did all that happen?
And how did you get to Seattle?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Yeah, jim My last my last year at Laramie was
seventy two, and I was drafted by the Falcons in
seventy three, and I spent the three four and five
season down there with Norm van Brocklin.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
So you can.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Imagine what that was like. Okay, Nor Norman was a Stickler.
He was like a tough old guy. He he had
played the game, which a lot of our coaches we
had had not, but Norman played and knew kind of
what it took. And so it was those were challenging years.
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Three years and and then takes.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah, who was your quarterback? Who was your quarterback?
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Then?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
When you when you started out.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Quarterback in seventy three was Bob Lee called him?
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Generally? We had a really successful season.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I think we went nine and five with Bob. Pat Sullivan,
who had won the Heisman Trophy in seventy two, was
there all three years, but he never played. I don't
think he and Norm got along too well. That never
did play. Okay, bomb Lee was there for two years,
and then they traded for Steve Bartkowski and bart came
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in in seventy five.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
So right, and then you we got you in the
expansion draft.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
How did you find out? How'd you find that out?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Nick?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
How'd you find out you were going to end up
in Seattle? And what did you think?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Well, I tell you the truth, I was a little disappointed.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
I was in Wyoming.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I had gone back there and my brother and I
had started this small drilling company and I was working
in Wyoming and my phone rang and it was on
an April day and it was Marion Campbell, who was
then the head coach. He said, Nick, he said, I'm
calling to inform you that you've just been chosen by
the Seattle Seahawks in the expansion draft. And he said
thanks for all your time here in Atlanta and your
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effort and everything, and good luck to you. And it
was kind of a shock. I just kind of sat
back and I thought, oh boy, here we go.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Had you moved down, had you established things in Atlanta
and then you had to pick up and leave like
a lot of players do, or was it easy?
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Exactly?
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I had owned a home barre in Atlanta, and I
put it up and sold right away, and and uh
then I that's July.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
I was headed for Cheney and.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
You got and uh your first coach.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Was Sam Right.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Yeah, Sam Bagosan, Aambagosian.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Yeah, there was. And I heard I heard in.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Earlier podcast of you guys, you know you talk about
the pictures. There were seven white shirts in the picture.
Of the rest were players. We had three offensive, three defensive,
and then Jack Right for coaches.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
And of course Sam, Sam and Jerry and Andy were
offensive people as you too. Well, you were there from
day one just like I was. Yeah, and it sure
has changed over the last forty years.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Oh my goodness. Well, obviously everything has changed. The whole
world has changed in the last forty years. Well, some
of those thoughts that you remember. So now you're a
veteran coming into Seattle, a team that's never existed before.
And here you got a young guy who we got
as a free agent at quarterback. You got a guy
who we traded for with Houston at a wide receiver spot.
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You got young rookie guys like Sherman Smith and Sammy
Green and myself and Steve Niehouse. Our first ever draft
shows that was quite an electic, eclectic crew that we
had at seventy six.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
You know, thank god Seattle, in the entire Northwest didn't
expect us to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
In nineteen seventy.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
I think the crowd, as I remember in the Kingdom,
they were totally on our side. We win two games
in seventy six.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Yeah, and that was when we were well.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Received by all the people, and I think that made
it a little easier.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
You're exactly right, Nick, was I said this on an
earlier podcast that it seemed like we almost made the
playoffs way our fans treated us, and we won two games,
so uh, you know that that continued. How did you, uh,
how did you try? Did you transition well? Or were
you rolling your eyes with the idea of uh uh
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Norm van Brockland to Jack Buttera and no water and
Cheney Washington was out, we'd just change for a change
for you.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Well, when I got the call in April, I sat
back and I thought, oh boy, this is and it
kind of was. I said, this is going to be
like being a rookie all over again. But I made
up my mind there and I worked hard for about
four months. When I got into camp into Cheney, I
I kind of had it where I was going to be,
and I said, I'm going to be here and we're
going to make this thing work. And it took took
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some time, but after a couple of years we kind
of got our act together and and I think we
did great things in the four years I was at Seattle.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
We did.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Wow, we did.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I mean we won a lot of games and just
just you know, thinking back how close we were to
getting into the playoffs. You don't realize it at the
time because the pres you know, when you're playing in
the present, it's hard to think about the implications of
what could have been and what should have been and
all that kind of stuff. But yeah, we we improved
very very quickly. And you being being left tackle for me,
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you were on my front side, and but we had
when did when did we change? Were you there when
Howard came in?
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Yeah, Howard was the head coach in seventy eight. Howard
the offensive line.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Coaches said, okay, in seventy eight and we started this
sprint draw series. Did you have to Yeah, did you
have to learn? Like what were your your rules in
the sprint draw coming to your side or going away?
How did you how did you have to block that
defensive end or even the inside the inside defensive tackle
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in that In that series, it.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Seemed like every team that we would play against, their
speed rusher was always their right defensive end or right
across from me. Howard Howard spent a lot of time
with me. He said, Nick, He said, if you can
get that guy to walk out there with he says,
take a three foot line split, take a two foot,
take a four foot He says, as long as you
can get him out there, the farther you can get
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that defensive end to line up out there, the better
off everybody is. And the sprint draw was so great
because I'd set up for a pass and if he
took an upfield rush, I'd laugh him with my right
hand and then try and go off and get a block.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
And the sprint draw that was a great play for us.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
It really was. It was a great base.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
So much around that, you know, our passing game or
running game. Nick, think back, talk about the guys that
you were on that line with the Papa Figs and
the Arts, and Norm Evans and and Howard as an
offensive coach, bringing all you guys together, because as Jim
and I were talking before, you and I talk when
you left and a couple of those other veteran guys
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left is when we had to kind of start over
again and we went backwards instead of moving forwards. But
talk about those guys that you played with, and we
all played with upfront.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Oh we got there.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
No, Norm shill is and always was a great friend
and did a heck of a job over on the
right hand side.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
In fact, he was. And then Aggie they were the
blind side tackles.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
You'd get left hand sure, of course, I don't tell
too many people that.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
But no, you played left tackle.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
But we had we had Fig, and we had Coder,
and we had Damari and Bob Tension, Gordon Jolly, of course,
Fred Hogland and Art where our centers in and Yarno
came in the next year, but older.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Veterans, uh it was. It took some.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Time, and as we were only two and twelve and
seventy six. The next year, I think we win five games,
but then Algie was number one choice. Oggie really didn't
start playing, I don't think till about the middle of
seventy seven. Yeah, and then Norton kind of sat back,
but Fig was there all the time, and I think
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Art played center most of seventy seven, and then John
took over in seventy eight, and Fig Fig was always
right guard. He and Coder split time there and at
the left side was started with Jolly in seventy seven,
and then Tom Lynch moved in about halfway through the season,
and Tom was there for the next two years with
me at left guard. So we all grew together and
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we learned and and we had we had. Most importantly,
we had fun. And I'm still I'm still talking to
a lot of those guys, if not weekly, for sure
monthly as a friendship has continued to flourish.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yep, how did you you left in nineteen eighty to Minnesota?
And how did that? How did that happen? I mean, why, well,
why did we make the decision to send you to Minnesota?
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Jack called me in and he said, Nick, he said,
we've got we've got that number one draft choice that
we picked the kid that couldn't run the hill at Cheenie.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
That he was actually he was second round choice. You're
talking about andre Andre Hines.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
That's exactly right. Yeah, yeah, excuse me, second round. And
then he said, we think we've got Bullard who's ready
to go. And Minnesota called and they've got two hurt tackles.
So I saw a chance to maybe it'll be a
good move for you, Nick, maybe it won't be. And
I said, Jack, I'm not worried about myself, I'm worried
about you guys here.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Without good answer, that really is and so.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
But anyhow, I was on a plane early the next
morning on the way to Minnesota and got out there
and it was another adjustment, but that's all part of life.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Well, at least you were playing for a guy who
coached Jack, but when Jack was the defensive line coach
there in bud Grant, so they were probably very similar,
kind of stoic guys, and yet once you got to
know them, maybe away from the game, and certainly in
the years after that fact. I've told people this before.
Jack Terra was as funny and as warm a person
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as you could ever want to see. And we'd go
up to visit him up in kle Elham, up at
his home up there where he raised hunting dogs and
tell old stories and laugh and carry on. I wish
we'd seen a little more of that when we were playing,
but I understood as coaches they had to have that
separation from us as players.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
I think you're right, Steve.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
There's a fine line there between when you're playing, the
relationship that a coach and a player has to have,
and a little distance between him versus twenty years later
when you sit in the room and laugh and giggle
and tell other types of stories.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
There's a big difference there, right.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
And you don't really know how much the coach influenced
as you until later on either you know, and then
you realize you remember his one liners and you remember
certain certain things that he either did during the game
or practice, and yeah, then you start and then you
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talk to other guys and you learn so much more.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Right right, here's here's one of the things I remember
from from Jack front.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Up, back up.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
For about ten minutes we do grass drills up down.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Oh hey, Nick, I want you to tell the story
because I may have remembered it incorrectly, but I want
you to tell us the exact account because I'll because
I'm going to tell it again when you after you
tell me when we were playing the Philadelphia Eagles in
Philadelphia in that weird just that carpet stadium that had
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the rug thelu was worn out. I mean it was
like a carpet that was worn out. But uh, we
were playing the Philadelphia Eagles and there was a timeout.
So take it from there, because you've got to tell absolutely.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
I'm going to preface this story. I think that was
the last game we had in seventy six. We were
playing in vettert Stadium in Philadelphia, and if you guys
remember now I might be wrong, but when we got
there Saturday, for our little walk around practice.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
That we always did.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah, our good equipment manager had forgotten to bring footballs.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
That's good now, if you.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Think back, we didn't have any football to go through
that little practice with, so that was kind of the
first thing that happened. But yeah, Jim, you're exactly right.
We were. We were in the huddle. I believe it
was like middle of the second quarter. We were in
the middle of a series, and I was I always
always thought that they were were aiming at you, but
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I was kind of bent over in the huddle, and
all of a sudden, I.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Screamed up.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I know, we all we all just like out of
the out of the blue, and.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
I said, I don't I think I've been shot. And
the referee come over and he said, are you okay?
And I said, right here in my hip, I think
I've been shot.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
This is the sum.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
We're in the field. We're in the middle of the field,
and I'm looking at and on the other side of
the field is Bill Bergie. He was the middle linebacker
in the star of that defense, you know. And I
don't even was it a two minute warning or was
it it was a time out? And we're sitting there.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
It was something like that exactly. Yeah, I can't remember,
but I actually got shot.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Well, so it was like a pellet gun, right, So that's.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
What that's what they.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Didn't You didn't didn't somebody find it? But you had
a welt right on your Oh.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
I went yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Right after we finished the series, I went over the
sidelines and Bruce and Jim, you know, we didn't have
the Blue Tan or the Black and Town on the sidewin,
and they held up two towels. So I dropped my drawers,
I said, I said, white, So don't you let that
towel go.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Please, please don't.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
So I dropped my drawers and the dock looked at it,
and I had a waft there about the size of
a silver dollar. And he said, well, you'll be okay.
It didn't break the skin and nothing. You'll be okay.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Did we ever past? Back up?
Speaker 1 (16:48):
I thought you picked up the pellet Maybe.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
I think somebody found it. I don't have it.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
I wish I had it now, but I think somebody
did find it out there on the field.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I mean, just think about the great an NFL game.
Somebody brings a weapon into the game and fires it
at and you're probably right they were aiming for Jim
and they which are behind by mistake because it was
probably one of the bigger ones in the huddle at
the time.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
You protected me more more ways than you ever dreamed of.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Oh, that's exactly right. I had. They had to hear
me screaming omaha as loud as I hollered.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Well, it's it's one for the books, I'll tell you
as one of the great stories of all times. As
so many things I remember, Nick, one of the things
I remember about training camp again you mentioned it were
in Cheenie. It's in August. It's like one hundred degrees
every day. Uh. And we practice with shoulder pads and
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helmets in the morning and then full gear in the afternoon,
and we'd hit every day. And one of the things
I always remembered was as soon as we finished that
afternoon practice, there was a bunch of us that would
immediately head into town to a place called Showalters, which
was one of the little taverns for students at Eastern Washington,
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and run in there and hydrate real quickly so you
could go back and eat dinner because you're you're just
so tired and so we all have a beer or
two and then we'd go eat dinner, then we go
to meetings, and you know, it was one of those
ways that really fostered I think, a kind of a
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friendship in our group when we were all coming together.
And in fact, Jim and I were talking about Mike Homgren,
who's going to join us here soon on this program.
Mike's first year here, he went to Eastern Washington, and
he said that very thing I wanted to get these
guys out of the city. I want to get them
together in a training cap setting. You can't say enough
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about what that means to help form a team, can you.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
I think it was so important it brought it brought
us together. You Now, I would almost bet that on
any NFL team in this day and age, people don't
do half the things together that we used to do
in the in the late seventies.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
I would I would just almost think that.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
But Nick, you were probably a rule follower on our team,
so I'm sure that you didn't. You didn't have anything
that you did off the field that in cheening especially,
What are you thinking.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
About, Well, I can't elaborate about that.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
If you much that now.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I'll tell you what I training camp. I remember we
were all down on the lower floors because there was
no air conditioning in Louise Anderson Hall where we stayed.
And so if you were a younger player, you were
up higher because it was hotter up there, and if
you were, you know, a veteran, you were down on
the in the basement level where it was cool. And
I just remember the strains of a guitar down the hall.
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And I'd wander down the hall close to bed check
time and there's Nick sitting there with a guitar, you know,
playing his good strumming his guitar in his underwear with
a toilet seat around his neck. And I have no
idea what in the world toilets a toilet seat around
his neck, And it was it seemed natural. I mean,
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it seemed like an absolutely natural made to sound better. Absolutely,
I have no idea.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Those those were trade mark out.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Well, if we don't, nobody's gonna know. And and everybody
is interested in knowing what guys like that did, and
and just and we just laughed. I it was also
I think part of it was it's in us against them.
You know, Jack was tough, his rules were tough, practices
were hard, it was hot, and I think we all
kind of stuck together because it was almost in us
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against them kind of mentality.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
A little bit, you could do it for a while,
but to do it as long as we had to do,
especially in the early, the early early days. You know what, Nick,
I added up all the time that all the weeks
that I spent in Cheenie dorms. I kid you not,
because I I coached after I played there. I coached there.
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I coached with Mike Hongrin for seven years and I
stayed and we stayed every year in Chenie. I spent
I have spent a whole year, fifty three weeks of
my life literally in Chenie dorms. That's a lot.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
And in the summer it's not like you're there in
the spring when it's nice, cool and all that. But
that was right, Nick, That's part of just getting yourself
in shape. A lot of people don't remember many of
us had jobs in the off season. We didn't make
a ton.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Of Everybody had to work, sure, everybody needed some extra income.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Did you in the off season go back to Wyoming
because you're from Riverton. Riverton, Wyoming, correct, absolutely, Jim.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Every every year, once once the season was over, I
would come back. My brother and I started the small
drilling company in seventy six about a two or three
little rigs, and in fact, we're still in business. We're
we're doing well. I think we've got fourteen rigs now,
about sixty employees smoked, and and we stay busy, we
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stay busy, and I'm still I'm still actively working in
the business.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
So yeah, it's it's still fun. It's fun.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, But your rigs you drill. So these are drilling rigs,
but you drill more or maybe you exclusively drill water,
or do you drill anything that anybody comes up with,
like what.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Just about all all phases of drilling, Jim. We've got
probably three or four little water rigs. I've got three oil,
which you would call an oil and gas rig, capable
of drilling twelve thousand feet. I've got a little hell
of even got a little rig you know that'll drill
underneath the street and come up over there at three
hundred feet like for a run fiber optic line or
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a gas line or something like that. Helicopter rig. I
got two of those for going up in a remote
area lifted in by helicopter, and then assembling the rig
and doing cord drilling, wireline core, conventional cord drilling.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Yeah, basically all phases of it.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
We've had to diversify and be for whatever.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
We're going through in the economy.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
I mean sometimes oil and gas drilling is hot right
now it's not.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yeah, Well you've really yeah, you've really used that University
of Wyoming scholarship and degree that you got then.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Absolutely, and I met a lot of good people Woming,
A lot of people Wombing has a heck of a
patrollum engineering school, and a lot of people in their
own gas business have passed through Laramie or no of it,
And so it's helped that sure has, and being a
graduate from Laramie has helped.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Hey, Nick, how big were you when at your biggest
as a as a tackle in the National Football League?
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Well, that keeps going back through my mind. I was
always between sixty five and six six, And when I
got to when I came in in seventy six, I
weighed to seventy five, but I always climb of climbed
up to two eighty or two eighty five, and I
still felt quick at too eighty five. But now, guys,
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a six foot five, two hundred and eighty five pound tackle,
well that's a tight end.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Side right now, exactly an outside of the linebacker.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
I mean these kids now are six seven, three hundred
and thirty pounds. And I mean, I'm not saying you
weren't cut. I'm not saying you weren't like chiseled out
of stone. But these guys are chiseled out of stone.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Tell the truth.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
It's just a whole different it's a whole different deal
now and again. And that's not to say we couldn't
play now because we now have their training and their
you know, their menus and all that kind of stuff,
their their medical Uh, we'd all, you know, be kind
of in the same category. But these kids today, boy,
they work hard and and they they they're they're terrific athletes.
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But you know, all in all, for for a bunch
of guys who ate donuts every morning, I thought we
did okay.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
And pizza every night.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yeah. Uh hey, hey, uh, Nick, tell me about being
in a meeting with Howard Mudd because he had, you know,
he had different ways of coaching, teaching and uh, you
guys spend a lot of time together, and he was
very proficient in explaining what you guys, you know, what
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the what your rules were, and how to get it done.
Give me some of the antidotes that you remember Howard
in your meetings with him.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Well, you remember the big one when Howard would say
to a guard or attack and he said, what.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
The heck were you doing here? What happened here?
Speaker 3 (26:22):
And the first thing the guy says, well, I thought,
and Howards had stopped stop right there, He said, don't
you think every time you think you hurt the team,
just react?
Speaker 4 (26:34):
You just react.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Yeah, but tell me, okay, I can get that one.
I can picture that one. But tell me about the
black I remember walking having to walk through the O
Line meeting room to go to my meeting, and there
was a chalkboard that had a list of about twenty
different sayings or reasons or whatever. What was that all about?
Speaker 3 (27:02):
He had to play on all kinds of words and
he would, you know, he draft up a list of
excuses that circulated and he said, I don't want to
hear any of these from anybody.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Just give me a number.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Isn't that Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Did you write that whole list? Down and memorize all
the numbers that he had.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
I took a picture of it. I've got it hanging
in my office in Riverton, Wyhoming. Have those excuses, yes.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Oh yeah, we should probably let everybody know as well,
for those of that don't know Howard Mudd was not
only a great offensive line coach for US, but he
was with the Colts. I believe he was with the Eagles.
Was he with the Chiefs at one time? And everywhere
he went. Yeah, he was like considered one of the
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great teachers of offensive linemen in the entire league, not
just in the city that he was in, but in
the entire National Football League. And he passed away. It's
been about two years ago now, maybe yeah, more than that. Yeah,
And we miss him, you know, every time we talk
about this, we all miss him because he was he
was such a great guy. And again it was sort
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of like Jack, we'd visit now long past our playing
days and you start to find out things about guys
that you know, Hey, these guys are really terrific people.
And I know that Nick. You you were around enough
coaches and folks like that that you find this. You
find this out too, Maybe long after your playing days.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Howard Howard was he was so good with me. In
seventy eight when he came in. He had just been
with the Chargers the year prior to and Jack hired
him when Sam was gone. Jack brought Howard in and
we're getting ready to play the Chargers and Howard said, Nick,
he kind of pulled me off the side, Nick, I'm
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going to tell you about this guy.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
His name's fred Dean. Oh my.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
He said, you if if you put Fred Dean on
the starting line and have a guy holding the pistol
next to him and they both go off at the
same time, fred Dean will beat that bullet.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
For fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
And he told me that and he wasn't breaking the
smile or nothing. He was dead serious, hard and I'm
listening to that and I started shaking.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Oh man, you know, he.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Was right off. Fred Dean was very fast.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
He was fast.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
You know.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Howard would also say, don't be lay off the call.
You're late, you're beat, and he was right.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah, yeah, that was I think, uh Fred, That d
line was one of the Louie kel Yeah, you it
was Fred Dean, big hands, Leroy, it was big hands Johnson.
It wasn't Leroy, it was I forgot his first name.
But all those guys, and then there was an obscure
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guy that nobody knew about because everybody knew about Louis
and fred Dean. But fred Dean passed away. Three of
the four guys have passed away, but Louie Kelcher is.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Still still alive a way.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Yeah, and he's probably talk about big hands or thick hands.
Your hand would disappear.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
I can share I can share this story with you guys.
In seventy eight, Lynch was starting at left guard seventy
seven a little bit with me and I can't remember
which year it was, but he was kind of shook up.
We're getting ready to play the Chargers, And in a
meeting he looked at me, and he kind of looked
at John and Fig. He says, he says, hey, you guys, Nick,
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you get done with Fred Dean, and if you got
culture handle over there, you guys can give me a
hand with big hands, because I might need some help.
Sure enough, Tom, I'll be as soon as I get
his but turned over, I'll be over.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
There to help. Yeah. Well, and remember too, for those
folks who were listening, we were in the AFC West
all those years. So we played the Chargers and the
Chiefs every year, the Raiders every year. They we we
I still don't like the Raiders. And part of it
was because of the days that we played them and
we beat them. You know, we'd go, we beat them
twice in a year.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Yeah, and you and you wouldn't smile. You didn't feel like,
you know, going out and rejoicing after you beat the Raiders.
It was just a hard fought game, and you would, uh,
nobody would, you know. The excitement was just the fact
that you lasted and you won.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
It was just it was a fight all the time.
And somebody was asking me the other day about the
Raiders and I said, yeah, one of the dumbest things
I ever did was we used to have here in town.
They used to Don Anderson, Remember, the pr guy used
to bring a player or a coach to this press
luncheon on Tuesdays, sure, at a little restaurant downtown. I
can't remember the name of the restaurant. It was an
Italian restaurant. It was right near the Kingdom there you go,
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and we'd go down there, and I remember I went
down on one week the week before the Raiders game,
and so I'm doing a Q and A with the
press who were there, and it's kind of informal, but
one of the one of the questions, you know, will
the Raiders. You think the Raiders will be up to
play you guys, And I jokingly said, with all the
drugs they take, they've been up all week, and that
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that made the bulletin board. I was told later in
Oakland that made the bulletin board. And I don't remember
if it was the game that I got knocked out
in or not by Jack Tatum, but all I remember
was those guys didn't they didn't smile a lot on
the Raiders. You know, they had two's and those guys
eventually and and assists drunk and and motus, Jack Tatum
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and those guys they were they were They were nasty
and they were mean and and that was just how
they played. And that's why it was well, it was so.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
With it.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
As much as we disliked them, we were able to
beat them, and actually we beat Kansas City a fair
amount too, But it was the Chargers we always had
trouble with. Well, yeah, part of that was they had
Dan Fouts, who was pretty good quarterback at the time,
you know out.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Oh yeah Chargers, Oh yeah, yep, so and.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Don they were solid. That was a tough one for us.
You know, the Denver the Denver Series was always a big,
a big deal for us. Hey not, and I know
both of you guys were there. In nineteen seventy eight,
Denver comes to Seattle. We're playing at home, We're tied
up at the end of regulation, we're going to overtime.
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I think Wind's down to like two minutes left in
the game. They line up to kick. Guess what, he misses,
but we've got twelve guys on the field.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Oh the three nights ago, Oh my, yeah, Green Nights Ago.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Denver's in Buffalo playing. They're behind a point or two,
and they line up to kick the field goal and
he misses. But guess what, Buffalo has twelve guys on
the field. They move it ahead five yards, he kicks it,
and they went the game.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Isn't that something I did not know?
Speaker 4 (34:03):
That?
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Did you?
Speaker 4 (34:05):
Five years ago? When they did that to us?
Speaker 2 (34:09):
I remember vaguely the twelfth the twelfth man on the field, and.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
You remember his name, But we should do we should
honor him by.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
You know not so, and he was exactly right. He
was a great kid, a great young man. And there
was no as I remember, there was nobody more crestfallen
after that game than him. And and you know, he
didn't have a great long career, but he played a
little while and he became, I guess, you know, a
terrific guy in the community and and all. And he
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was just such a good young man. But yeah, man,
I hadn't remembered that in all these years. And and
you remind me, twelve guys on the field, they get another.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Chick when the same thing happened just the other night
and Denver one again. Yeah, man, the one thing I
was thinking about, you guys in ninety eight that year
or seventy eight, we went nine and seven. Now, if
we had tied that game, we would have been nine
six and one. Yep, and Denver would have had one
(35:13):
last wine? Would that could we would we have been
eligible for any playoff contention if that happened.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
As I remember, that's that's the way it kind of happened.
We ended up being one game out of the playoffs,
So I had a game either way would have made
a difference.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
I remember, I was thinking about that and I and
I thought many of you guys that have that right
on the tip of your tongue. But as usual, an
offensive lineman will have to help you a lot.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Yeah, and we certainly appreciate you bringing back some of
those memories, that's right, But I do I do remember
the The only thing I do remember is as thinking
about how close we were and how frustrating that was
that we that we come under you know, we come
under the authority or the rules of the land. When
(36:02):
you're playing in the NFL and you you have to
make sure you know what they are. You have to
make sure you know what gets you there, and it
does it feels unfinished, right, unfinished business.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Absolutely as successful as we were, you're still left want more.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah, yeah, we we were, in fact, the most successful
expansion franchise in its third year in the history of
the league in nineteen seventy eight, going nine and seven.
And I don't think anybody expected us to be there,
and yet there we were because we had guys like
Nick who were veterans that we could build around with
a bunch of us young guys who are now just
starting to figure it out. I mean, you know, I
(36:45):
think I've told you, Jim, my third year was, you know,
the best year, third and fourth year, my second year
when you'd expect most rookies to kind of make that
next step. Yeah, I kind of got in with Ed
marin Arrow for a while, and I sort of missed
some things that I should have been awake in the meetings,
and I think I missed out on a couple of things.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Nick.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
We partied a little more than we should have in
nineteen seventy seven, but I learned from my mistakes. I think,
what would you could you turn around and play right now?
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Nick?
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Oh, I'm about I'm still about six five, three hundred pounds,
but I think getting rolled on the ground and trying
to jump up and go again, I think it's I'm
past my prime.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
I was more wondering if you were playing today. I mean,
if you were a young guy today, would you be.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
I think I could easily weigh three hundred and twenty
pounds and still play. Yeah, if I were twenty six
years old, yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Do you come back and get Are you involved with
any of the alumni things that go on here in
Seattle being in Wyoming?
Speaker 3 (37:55):
You know, I don't get a chance to get up
there very much. I think, of course, I was for
the Petera Air Reunion, which will kick.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
Yep, and I and I dropped the bug in our.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Players, the new guy that the Seahawks have running our
alumni association about a.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Fifty year reunion, okay, and maybe maybe.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
If we push on it, maybe we can have something
like that coming.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
Up in a year or two, which would be great. Yeah, yeah,
it'd be great.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
But I think this, I think the Seahawks would absolutely
do something along those lines. I mean, you know, there's
only one fiftieth anniversary team. I mean that, you know,
you take a look at the rest of the league
and there's only one of those. And so somewhere I
have that old team picture of all of us. It's
on a you know, one of those boards. Remember those
we used to get They were.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
Oh yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
You hung it on the wall and after about six
months it would yank the hook out of the wall
and fall on the table and break something glass and
then sharing a scream at me. And that was that.
Uh So we stopped. We stopped hanging those things up.
But those those were those were great memories and the
only thing that's better, Nick, is that we all or
most of us are still around to be able to
(39:10):
talk about those days and to have fun and to
laugh about it. And and all I can say, and
Jim and I have on this on this podcast, have
had a chance to talk about the things that have
happened over the years when we played. And we both
are in agreement that we really, in our estimation, did
a disservice to our organization or our team, especially when
(39:31):
you left, because you were one of those glue guys
that just held everything together and made made it not
only work, but made it fun too.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Yeah, well, thanks, thank you, Thank you so much for
the kind word there. Art Kan, who was my roommate
there for the five years at Cheeney. I was sitting
in there with Art and I said, Art, this year,
we're going to be in the playoffs. In nineteen eighty,
I said, we're going to go to ten and six.
Do you know who we're gonna beat and who we're
going to lose to. We're going to go ten and
(40:03):
six and we're going to be playoff bound. Well, those
all those plans got changed when when I left. But yep,
uh no, I had had some great time. You two guys.
We're such an important part of that that team and
that organization. And uh and I think what you're doing
now is great getting some of the older guys in talking.
(40:25):
I heard a little bit of the uh podcast you
had with Mule or I should say sam At excuse me, uh,
and that was great good stuff.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
Uh uh and uh.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
You guys are just doing good with what you're doing.
And and best of luck to both of you in
the future.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Thanks, Hey, Nick, uh, I appreciate that. Don't make us
go call r QNE and tell us about a toilet
seat around your head while you're singing. That seems like,
you know, we're going to probably get a lot of
phone calls asking, okay, we need the toilet seat. S
how come that's such a private thing.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
Well, anyhow, I had no idea.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
I think that you didn't hang around with us down
to the end of the hall with the strumming.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
You and Steve.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Stayed and study, which is why he's in the Hall
of Fame and you're in the Ring of Honor and
I'm down there singing with those knuckleheads with with toilet
seats and guitars. That's that's exactly exactly. Well, listen, Nick,
we've taken enough of your time. We always appreciate.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Thank thanks so much for inviting me into to share
some stories and relive some of the old times with you.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Really fun to have you on, Nick, See you later.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
Thanks brother, guys, take care of all right. I love
you too.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
We will continue conversations with guys just like Nick. Bebout
and there's there's a bunch of them from our old days.
We still haven't talked to Sherman Smith yet. We still
haven't talked to Sam McCollum yet. Now you know, we've
got lots of guys we can talk to, plus in
succeeding generations, the Homebrens of the world, in Matt Hasselbeck's
guys that you coked, Matthew, they're going to be with us.
So don't you folks miss miss a single episode of
(42:16):
Seahawks Stories along with Jim's or and I'm Steve Rabel.
Thanks so much for listening in. We'll see you next time.
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