Troy Vincent, the Executive Vice President of Football Operations sits down Peanut and Roman on the latest episode of the NFL Players: Second Acts podcast. Troy talks the Walter Payton Man of the Year Award and what it means to the players around the league. Then he reveals how the league manages and reviews its officials and combats the conspiracy theories that Chiefs get favorable calls. He also discusses the new Pro Bowl format, the increase in black quarterbacks, and his career accomplishments as a player.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I was like, who is Taylor Swift? And they looked
at me like, you cannot be There's no way you
just said that.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome everybody, Peanut to him and this is the NFL
Player's Second Acts Podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
And with me as always, I got my guy Roaman
Harper with that. I like this. What's sweet?
Speaker 4 (00:25):
I believe it is. I like correct, I thank you,
I appreciate it. Man, thanks for all our listeners in
and viewers. Always appreciate you always tuning in. And Peana
that I'm very excited to have our guests. We've had
him on before, but he is so intelligent, he's so
necessary and I can't wait because he always gives the
people what we want whether we want it or not.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
We're gonna ask it.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yeah. So he's actually been on the show three times.
He is a Walter Payton Man of the Year Award winner.
He is a College Football Hall of Famer. He is
the vice president of Football Ops. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome
to the pod. Troy vinces this show.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I love the energy.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Well, the energy is high.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
This morning Peanut worked out, so he's on one.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I'm on one. He's like, he's on like two.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
But yeah, that part, where do you keep your Walter.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Payton Man of the Year award up?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I just brought it back to the office. That thing's
heavy too. It's heavy, but it was it's it's I
haven't weighed, uh, but it's it's heavy. Actually two years
ago I brought it back to It was actually in
the closet.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Mm hmm. Was collecting us was like in a box,
like where do you where do you keep it was?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
It wasn't It wasn't in a box. We don't keep
I don't keep nothing at home. At our our primary home,
we keep no football artifacts.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
There's nothing.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
So when the kids when they grew up, there was
nothing around football in the house. As you went to
the gym, there might have been something old in the
gym area, but there's nothing. No trophyse no plaques, no certificates,
you know, outside of my degrees in college. In my
office there's nothing. And then maybe about two years ago
(02:09):
when they moved my office, I had some things that
was kind of I don't want to say, not collecting dust.
But I've been you know, through the years, I've been
recognized quite a bit. Yeah, and I know it means
something to the people around me. It has value. It's
in let's consider it. It's for the folks that are
(02:30):
in this industry. And we just do what we do
because it's the right thing to do. You know, we're
responsible for moving things forward. But that particular trophy was
home and I just brought it back to the office
two years ago.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
So is there a particular reason why you have nothing,
no artifacts of off any football things in your house
when you are a football guy.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
That is, this game has provided so many things.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
That's not the endgame. The end game is to serve
christ good law abiding citizens, and you know you'll have
another career. And that's like in all most of us.
You know, you want to play ball, you want to
play pro ball. But we have a lot of artwork
about our history, about our responsibility to carry things forward.
(03:18):
So those are the images. I know what I can
be by what I see. So that's my wife and
I we've been very particular about putting images of things
that they can they could be. My sons don't have
to be football players to be to bring value to society.
My daughter doesn't have to be and this hey, our
(03:40):
youngest daughter wants to be a school teacher. So we
have images in our artworks speak to different things, different
career paths, the challenges of our history, so that they
can see and always remember where we've come from, what
the fight is, and where we need to go.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Again.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Most of my little sport sport things are are in
the office.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
So where does the Walter Patman of the Year. Where
does that rank as far as all of your accomplishments.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I get asked that question often and I've just been fortunate,
just through the grace of God. You know, I've been
a recipient of the Part Star, I've been a recipient
of the Byron Wizard White, I've been a recipient of
the Jefferson Award the Sporting News Good So I've I've
had that opportunity to be recognized. I just use the
(04:37):
term recognized. But in the space that I love the most,
which is football, It's given me more than I can
ever give it. It's at the pinnacle because it truly
represents excellence. I'm keeping it in the framework of the sport.
It is one that is the most recognizable and our sport.
(05:02):
So it sits in the middle of the office so
that staff members. One is a reminder who you're talking
to when you come into my office, and what I
represent and what we represent for those and it's really
beyond the recipient of that particular year, because all of
these young men are winners. They're all team winners.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
You did a good job of explaining all that too before.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Priefou's like, how much pride we all takeing that, because
it really is you're giving to your community that award.
So to even be recognized for your team that year
is a big deal. And then all of a sudden,
the real winner, it's even better.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
So that's even that language of when I was on
a call. We were on a call with the team winners,
the club winners. It's just important to celebrate them because
they're representing you know, fifty sixty sixty something.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Guys in that locker room. They are.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
The team winner. Yeah, and then there's going to be
one person recognized nationally.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
So it's.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
It's just another vehicle to just to spread the gospel
and to keep the main thing the main thing, because
when people ask me about it all the time, I'm
able to pivot and talk about real issues.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
So I mean, amongst players, you talk to a lot
of the guys and you get a sense of it,
and you know does a really good job of this too.
It's like, how coveted it is this award, the Walter
Payton Man of the Year Award. As far as like
the players see it. I know, the trophy is one
of the nicest, it's one of the heaviest. You get
to put it in now, you get it.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
On the jersey. Now it's it's about fifty pounds. Just
y'all listening the trophies ways about Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
I only know because I tried to pick up peanuts
before and I was like, man, this thing is way heavy.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Than I thought it was. No, it's crazy heavy.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah, crazy, And you don't realize that when you get
it because you're just like, oh, yeah, I'm just leaving
sitting it's way heavy.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
So how coveted it is.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
This awarded to the players that get these things, This
award as far as like all the awards that are
out there, individual awards.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
So you have to look at it because it's you
got to one to be a performer on the field,
but yet it really truly speaks to who you are.
So every club, different clubs have different ways that it
shows up on how they celebrate and now we've just
seen when Peanut and I were recognized, it was just
you know, at the time they ever given out watches,
(07:20):
So I got a card and a watch, and outside
of the Philly market, in the Jersey market where I'm from,
no one else you didn't talk about the other the
other folks. But now it's a lead wide effort. I
think people truly have an understanding of Connie, Jared, Brittany,
the family. We have to continue to tell the history
(07:44):
of Walter, the Bears. So I think collectively as a league,
we've done a better job of celebrating the good, the
good of the game, the value of the men inside
their communities. Guy walks into locker room, that's the first thing,
you know, they start talking about it. And now that
(08:05):
the players have say so into who they're that's why
that's so important, because the players know who's actually genuine
and actually doing some really good work. So I do believe,
you know, outside of you know, winning the ultimate game,
the Super Bowl, it's always nice to have at least
(08:27):
a Pro Bowl nod on your quote unquote sports resume.
But when you start getting into the MOI that man
of the Year, you're in like rare was it forty
something thousand people seventy something thousand and you got like
forty eight When you just start looking at the history
and then the men that have received it, I think
(08:49):
each player in each locker room they covet it, you know,
like what.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Can I do?
Speaker 1 (08:54):
And we hope that we're inspiring other people, other young
men as they coming to the league. Your legacy in
que and Kwana and I we talk about this all
the time at work. Your legacy is not in about
interceptions and touchdowns. Hey, look, I was part of Eagles
run in Philly that four championship games in the row lost.
(09:14):
Nobody's talking about that. They talking about these and they
should they shouldn't someone else? Nine other people in the
ward number twenty three. Yeah, other people are intercepting balls,
other people going to Pro Bowls. But who's out there? Like,
your legacy is into how many other people are you impacting?
Like that's where your families, your family legacy, your individual legacy.
(09:36):
Those kind of things last, they're everlasting.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
So shout out the nationwide for putting up some coin
and really putting the word out about the men of
the Year. But not only that, though, I wear jackets,
blazer sport codes, and I never have my little my
little Man of the Year pen. You worn't on your lapel,
so don't We were somewhere. I forget where we were.
But Troy's real big on. Whenever you go out and
(10:02):
you got a jacket on, you got to word a
little man into your pens. So when I was packing
my suits to come here to do these interviews, I
got my little I didn't even know they had a
little yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
And and why it's important because you're in a rare
classes like you're just in there and it pops out
everywhere you're in the airport to go now even in office,
which is a shame. Now I have to say this
in full transparency, even in the office. Batman is that cayah?
(10:36):
But you go, excuse me, you work in marketing. So
but it allows you, as we would to say, to
build and the share you in the airport and people
are trying to figure out, you know, easy to shield
z easy, the American flags eazy and they're trying to
figure that out. And then as soon as you say
Walter Payne and I go yes, ma'am or yes, sir.
(11:00):
I was a recipient back in you know, two thousand
and two.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Oh my god, you know, I.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Was such a big Walter fan. And then you can
you know, you can talk about you know, I have
the opportunity each day to represent the family, you know,
a piece of Connie, And we tell us to Jared
and Brittany all the time when we leave, when we
show up, when we all show up, we're carrying a
piece of their legacy as part of our own family legacy.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
All right, let's pivot and get into the real serious question.
So this is where we're going to left. This is
where we're going to left. Okay, Thomas in the corner,
We're going left. I want to know your thoughts on
what you think of the fans and basically all NFL
fans about the referees and how everyone thinks that they
(11:48):
are for the Kansas City Chiefs, specifically in the AFC
Championship game, fourth quarters, like sixteen minutes off or something
like that, and it was a fourth and one and
Buffalo goals for and they don't get it, and then
the rest they say they didn't get it and ultimately
can see it gets the ball back. What are your
thoughts on.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Troy Flat out like my wife would say, they cheeing
for the chiefs.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
It says they cheaming. What's going on, Troy, that's Heller's question.
Heller put me up to that question.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
So immediately my first reaction because I hear it and
I see it's just like.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
That's losers talk.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I put myself back in that seat and just say,
that's that's that's losing, that's loser's jargon. That's that Monday
morning or that even that late evening and you're trying
to figure out how you explain to your front office
why they don't whoop you the last couple of years period,
(12:47):
there's always a human element and you hear what about
technology and when is such and such? At the end
of the day, there's always a human element that we
cannot ignore. When did for progress stop? That whistle has
to be blown by human and forward progress?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Where did it stop? You can bring in all.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
The technology you want after that, but that human element
will always exist. Now, you were sure six inches with
another play, as we would say, okay, we got to
blow up one more time. Somebody got to make a play.
You all been in that huddle. Somebody got to make
(13:31):
a play. Don't matter who it is. You fell short
again and you gave the chance back the ball they
moved forward in Super Bowl fifty nine period, I just
we can go no, and then what does the data say?
And I just shared it because yesterday I was out
(13:53):
of the community event and I'm coming back and I'm
hearing some of this, I would say noise, and I'm like, oh,
let's just send out. Here's we eighteen weeks of plays,
playoff play. So QB hits whether it's rough in the passer,
un RS uns's well, r U and RS is like
(14:14):
rough in the passer, I mean unnecessary roughness. So the
penalties around the QB, so you got unnecessary roughness, you
got rps's this is rough in the pass or any
of the quarterback. We would consider the quarterback. So per
one hundred plays, Kansas City ranks eighth on calls, correct calls,
(14:37):
calls that are favorable for them, favorable to other clubs.
I mean, tell to other quarterbacks. And you just look
at all thirty two. They're right at number eight and
there's some other people there that's like, but these are
the facts, right that if you don't put the facts
out there, you get all of this speculations, don't care
about facts. Correct, correct, and then you let it ride.
(14:57):
So what it did was it takes on its own.
But we're watching in AMGC, which is our McNally Game
Day Central, and we were just looking and the officials
are the players should be a faceless object. If the
guys off side, he's off side, I don't give They
don't give a crap. If he's a Hall of Famer,
future Hall of famer, plays for the Eagles, plays for
the Colts, it doesn't matter. He's off side. These off sides. Yeah,
(15:21):
and if you see it, call it. If it's not
clear and obvious, leave it alone.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Here's something I think fans don't know or want to know.
How are restigrated? Do they if I get say two
or three bad calls? A great question in this game?
Do I get the ref next week? Or do I
get binged? A great question? Great question, peanut. So you
have two areas that we look at most. It is
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foul recognition. Did you recognize it? Did you recognize what
is happening? And then did you actually call it? Was
it the right call or the incorrect call? Did you
put a.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Foul down or did you not so it's really simple.
We've really we call it reduced to variables. As a player,
you made the play, you didn't make a play, plus minus,
and then about two weeks somebody gonna be saying, you're
gonna look it in the corner. Somebody gonna be backpelling
in the corner about to take you.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
We got to get a work out. We got to
get a work out. Somebody working out.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
So with the officials, you got one hundred and twenty two,
and then you got seventeen ROS, which is a replay officials,
and you got seventeen ras replay assistance. They're graded on
every play. They all have a coach, so they all
have a position coach. Okay, like we do. They all
have a coordinator, so you call it co coordinators. Do
(16:36):
they have coordinators coach coordinators? I didn't know that is yes,
that is just evaluating them individually as a as a
line judge, back judge, side judge. And then you got
a coordinator that's making sort of position coach is now
grading and making sure that he's educating that that official
the right way. And then we added a third layer
(16:58):
at independent audit, so we have a third person during
the week making sure there's no funny business going on. Now,
what's the challenge, the real challenge for the official, And
this is what I've seen personally. You're officiating sometimes around
gamesmanship that is hard, that is very, very difficult. So
(17:23):
people say, what do you mean gamesmanship? Well, we know
when we're prepping for the opponent, there's certain things, certain
looks I want to give them to try to what
tricky or try to disguise something. They're not only trying
to trying to defeat their opponent, but they're also now
teaching this is what this official can see, and this
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is what they can't see, or they'll go back because
now clubs are doing officiating of reporting like they do
with the player. And you know every week there's somebody
with a red jersey on or somebody such or such.
You're always watching them. Well, the clubs do that for official.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
We see it.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
This person will call this or likely not to call it.
So you can get away with this this week. But
we're not even gonna put this in the game plan
because this referee or this umpire, they do a pretty
good job of picking this up or this back or down.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Judge.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
They typically let some chicken fighting as we would call
in hand fighting. They let it go on this one
right here, they're gonna throw it.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
So Sean Payton when he was my head coach, he
always had the referee report this crew. Hey, hands to
the face, big holding. This is a crew that calls it.
They're ranked a da da da da. You know, oh
this week this referee passing affarence highly they don't really
call that one. So guys, you're gonna be able to
play a little bit more on the outside of it.
(18:45):
So we did the same thing. I think that's huge,
right to understand who you're playing. It's part of the opponent. Yes,
Like knowing all the information before you go out there
helps you be ready. The same thing you're talking about
the gamesmanship. This is my last thing on the referees.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
I want to know.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
How they got all this information. Right, you're giving them
all this information. You got a coach, you got a coordinator,
now you got three levels of all these things. How
do you take all that information but then still be
able to block out the noise and still call the
game and understand because, like like you said, when God
started getting in there, you got to know the field
and floor of the game too, because we're not here
(19:21):
to watch you referee games.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
That's what makes them extraordinary. At a high rate of speed,
you know, real time, no cameras. We all have the
luxury now eighty one cameras, one hundred cameras slow mo.
Yeah I saw it. Yeah, I've been watching it for
a day and a half, so now I'm picked it up.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
He saw a real time overall.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I just was looking at this yes last week as
we were speaking to the commissioner. So we have an
average of ninety recognition rate, so the foul count. Then
then we talked about the actual recognition and then now
you did you call it? Did you throw it? They
sit around eighty eight to ninety percent. We had three
(20:05):
crews that was one hundred in both categories. Those are
the ones you're gonna see this Sunday.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
So and they're not cruising. You know, people say, well
one on to cruise, and Coach Peyton was one that
thought that, man the crew consistency, which I appreciate that thought.
But they are looking to get into postseason play. They
want to be right, Yeah, they want to be right.
But what we see in that in the championship and
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in particular the Super Bowl, you are seeing, like Ron told,
the very best of he is recognizing at a clip
of one hundred percent and every foul he throws is
one hundred percent with no assistance. So I want you
to think about that.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Kudos.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
I've had again working with them every day, seeing and
they just block it out, you know, with the.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Their mic, their live with all of it.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
And you could just imagine what's coming out of some
of these coaches' mouths when they go over to say, hey,
go go tell coach you know, pick the you know,
pick up. You don't have to challenge, just we got
it such and such, and I mean just they're going
at it and they just block it out and get
ready for the next snap.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I would hate to be that line just though, because
that's the one that gets it, yes.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
And what we're asking them to do now, so you know,
halfway through the season, I just have to share this.
Halfway through the season, they're like, what you want us
to do with all of this fighting? You know, like
we're getting ourselves hurt. We saw we lost an official
Arizona San Francisco, a playoff official breaking up a fight.
(21:46):
You know, towards hand me up, so you when you're
trying to officiate a game, officiate around games and ship
we got them doing one hundred thousand things on the
medical side and making sure can you tell a coach
dison making sure you do that. They just do it.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
They do it. They do an extraordinary job. Yeah, I
like that. We'll be back in a minute. What are
the uh every year?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
And I was trying to tell earlier, I'm fortunate enough
to be on these zoom calls with you and we
talk right before the season and we talk after the season,
and they're probably a good twenty twenty five guys on
these zooms call on the Zoom calls that that we
go through what are the top priorities for this coming
off season.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Kick off?
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Okay, if people, if you can remember it was last
year was only a one year only rule, so that
that dynamic kickoff with the setup zone, it was only
a one where we're going to see the concussions. What
were we trying. We were trying to go get and
lower that concussion rate.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
We did that.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
There was three hundred and thirty two competitive plays introduced
back into the game, meaning live action, not a ceremonial play.
So the foot being in the game is a critical
part of the game. That is, you got three phases.
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We've all been taught three phases. Offense, defense, and special teams.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
If you win.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Either of the two, more than likely you're gonna want
the outcome of that game is going to be favorable
to you. The foot is back in the game with
the dynamic kickoff, So a year ago we had a
return rate of twenty percent, you know, leaving out, we're
close to thirty I think close to thirty four, thirty
six somewhere, so high thirties.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
It's a field position.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Change, start drives and now twenty nine yard line unlike
the twenty four to twenty five to go five yard
Oh yeah, this is a game in inches. So think
about our quarterbacks getting the ball on the thirty. So
that first intends on the thirty. The likelihood of you
score punts are down because.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Drivers are starting earlier.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Now people are going for it because the close our
getting now yes, i'd say yes, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yes, like fifty to fifty nine plays of plus forty yards.
So the kickoff got some cleaning up to do there.
So that's top priority. So that the kickoff and making
that a permanent rule probably reduced We had a couple
of touchbacks. You know, there was a twenty to thirty
five and forty if you kicked out of bounce. Let's
make it easy for everybody. Let's make it simpler for
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the fan. Maybe just just two touchback spots. You kick
it to the sideline, it comes back to the thirty
five or thirty, so the membership would have to discuss that.
The one I have at the top of the list
that was very unsettling for me personally this year was
sportsman sportsmanship. You know, we were up one hundred and
thirty three percent, and.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Is that just like me pointing at you and now
that is so?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
We were fifty fifty two percent and tawny and one
hundred and thirty three percent and and violent gestures.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
So like like the gun shooting.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
And guns and up my shirt to show gang gang
signs the gun and it's just so this is where yeah,
so this is where we that's all we have is
our game at I'm not trying to tell you who
you It's not about where you're from, It's about where
you at. And right now you're a professional in the
(25:25):
National Football League, and I've had heart to heart conversation, passionate,
emotional conversation because all we got is a game. Man,
you want to grab your little crotch and stand over
top of somebody.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
The stuff that.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
I'm seeing like spitting on people, you know, poking people
in the eye like and a lot of those things
we miss but we can pick up during the week.
So I'm again, I'm gonna repeat that one hundred and
thirty three percent up.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
And a lot of this is we're not seeing it
on Sundays the flag come, but you guys are seeing.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
It and we send it a fast Yeah. Okay, now
people people don't realize that.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
You realize nocts one time and I was like, wait,
the game was Sunday.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Why am I getting this letter? And you all saw this.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I hope we can just have good, good candidate, like
when I saw we had the suspension in the Houston
Tennessee game earlier with the linebacker, she's it. And then
we watched a wildcard game. When I see a player
touch a coach, I don't come from that school, like
I just it's hard for me to process that. It's
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hard for me to even think about the veteran leadership
on that sideline in that locker room allowing that to happen.
So these are the little things that we need to
clean up and then replay assists. So the sportsmanship is
one that's at the top. That's something that we just
all got to agree on, every club, every head coach,
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and we see it. We see what head coaches have
control of that side. We know what we see it.
I've seen two coaches this year actually confront players for
some bull job on the field, you know, and as
Dan and that's John and I seen I'm sorry three
and Mike T coach Campbell. Hey man, that was a
fifteen yard stupid penalty. Yeah what you that's hurting the
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team and it was a selfish act. So we got
to clean that up. I talked about the kickoff and
then replay replay assists. We learned last year by expanding
replay assists when we have that roughing and pastor to
the head and neck area that forcible contact because oftentimes
with the gamesmanship, if we can look at it and go,
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he didn't touch him, but you know, he looks like
the same thing on the sideline that hit the runner
out of bounds.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Was he in?
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Was he out?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
So we you know, we expanded replay assists in that
area of just a roughing pastor to the head and
neck area, runner on the sideline, and the third ones
the intentional grounding. But we feel like there's some areas
that we know we do it really well. We can
pick it up face masks, you know, kicking what specifically
about face mask So remember a rake is not a
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face mask. When you see the hand and it keeps
moving even though the head, it made them glove sticky,
so they touch anything, they're gonna move the helmet. Oftentimes,
we've seen where the actual defender is grabbing inside of
the shoulder pad, but when he grabs and he pulls,
the head comes back, so it appears to be it
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looks real time as though it was a face mask.
And we know that's a big foul. We can quickly.
We can pick that up within five seconds. Nope is clean,
especially if there's fabric on the field. So we feel
like there's about eight categories that we feel like that
we could we can come and clean up again. To
be efficient and be accurate in that and that call
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to clean up, we want to still make sure the game,
it's still flowing along.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Is there is there any concern about extending the season
from seventeen games to eighteen games, specifically tarnishing or tainting
some of these records, right Sakwan he could have you know,
broke the record, but he didn't play. You got Mike Evans,
he had a thousand yards but he broke Uh no,
(29:24):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
He tied j record, Jerry Rice's record.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Is there any concern about like tainting these records because
guys are actually getting one or two extra games now
to actually to break the record.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
I think it tells you the level of how superior
those individuals were from the past. Oh yeah, when you start,
I hear the term like graded goat all the time,
like we have like commercialized this. This guy's going to
be a Hall of Fame or this guy's will go
y'all stop it, just stop it. That man, he did
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that in ten games. He did that in twelve games.
Those sacks he did that. That was a twelve or
fourteen game schedule. So I think as you think about
extending there's been a lot of talk about going to
an eighteen to two model. When I look at the
entire picture, and this is why players they got to
be informed and as I would say, keep the main thing,
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the main thing. You know, there's an economic piece here,
and then there's a wellness because the reality is somebody
gonna pay for it. On the other end, they're gonna
pay for it long term. When I just look at
attrition roster from week one, roster of the week seventeen eighteen,
the Kansas City Chiefs are they're here, They're healthy. They
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are probably the healthiest team, quarterbacks healthy. Philadelphia is healthy.
Lost a few people, but not those, as we would say,
not those, not those dogs, not the main dog, not
the main dogs. And I just think as the players,
as our office, as we examine all of this, there's
a lot of different factors.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
That come into play.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
And when we look at the rule books, rather than
a little asterisk, we need to start think about how
that is presented. When you start talking about breaking records, yeah,
he had two more games than the person that did
it back in nineteen eighty eight or nineteen ninety two
or nineteen sixty seven. So I think all the but
the attrician when I, as you all know, man week fifteen,
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Week sixteen, you just making it no doubt.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
So you talk about the attrition of it.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
I think this is perfect segue for also because it
doesn't start just in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Now it starts in college. College plays way.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
More games than they did back when you played, or
even when I played ten games was a lot. Winning
ten games was huge, and now it's just like, dude, yeah,
you just trying to get a playoff to get in
to play another three or four games, and then all
of a sudden, you playing all these games. Then you
get into the NFL. Now we're going to seventeen eighteen
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with no guardrails.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
So when I say no guardrails, when I look at
the way some of the colleges practice, I'm looking, you know,
with the monitors, with the chips, and I never I
can remember, like it was yesterday. I went to my
son's practice when he was at Ohio State, and I'm
looking on it. They got on this big old screen,
you know, guys running to you know, twenty three, twenty
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four miles an hour and if you're not hitting that
top speed like urban was going nuts.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
And in my mind, I'm.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Like, how could they do this every single day and
then show up on Saturday. But this was just mindset
and it was like go go go, go, go go go.
And at the college level, you know, it's about quantity,
not quality. So it's about more plays, more plays, more plays,
more plays, more plays, not quality. And I'm saying, Okay,
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that's why you're getting beat and then you banged up.
These jokers can't make it to the getting to the
final four or the championship game.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
But you can do that though, because you only got
a guy for four years, Like it's I think it's
a different mentality.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
I'm just I don't agree with it. I told that
guy is coming.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
But that guy that Bama, that guy LSU, that guy
Ohio Stateton and those programs like that. Yeah, that's your pro.
So you start putting that we said, well, he don't
got a lot lot of tread on, No, a lot
of tread off that tire.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
I want to know this too. Uh.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
This year's Super Bowl, we got another We got Patrick
Mahomes Jalen Hurts playing quarterback. The second time he's had
two African American black quarterbacks competing for a Super Bowl.
First time was these same two quarterbacks two years ago.
At what point does this no longer even become part
of the conversation because it was three out of the
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last three out of the final four, and now this
is just what the league.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Is personally and many of us that's a normal conversation.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Now you're looking at, you know, just starting black quarterbacks
in week one when we have sixteen seventeen we had
this year. Yeah, like it every year. But again, what
you see in college is what you're going to see here.
They're winning, they're winning championships. They don't have to prove
themselves about being smart. Can they run the offense? The
face of this league is is black quarterbacks. We've normalized
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that conversation. The conversations. We're not talking about these areas like,
ohc coach, you know a year ago, you know, National
Football League and to this date we don't. You still
don't have a black offensive coordinator. How could you not
have that? You know, the last time that happened, to
think was nineteen eighty eight. So you're taking steps back there.
You look at the offensive line, those areas that lead
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to head coaching, offensive line, tight end coach. You know,
people say what about the why you know, and I'll
say this, they're managing the room stop it. We know
that running back coach knows blocking assignments, he knows where
everything is run past, just like the QB. He has
to be a QB where protection is, where the slide protection,
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so on and so forth. That person is never considered
to be a OC or a head coach, even a
wide receiver coach. But we know when you look at
the makeup of those coaches, they're managing the room. What
do those individual rooms look like from a running back position?
What do those rooms look like from a defense? Running
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backs and wide receiver? No differently than the dB. You're
going to put people in the room to manage the
personalities in the room, not for career tracks. So we
still got a lot of things that we need to
tremendous progress. But we have a lot of areas, but
we got to call it out. You know, when we
talk about head coaching track, O line tight ends to
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back coaches. So but the quarterbacks we've normalized that man
and that that'll that'll continue.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
We'll be right back. You had a similar career path
as myself, specifically your first Pro Bowl in ninety nine.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
It was your eighth season. In other words, you didn't
get good to you was old.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yeah, they missed so they missed out on three peanut.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Hey, that's why I said a year will you never
go on the first great season? Everybody knows that I
had like four great seasons. I believe it, trust me.
But any when it gets it, I get it.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Ultimately, what I'm trying to say is as you got older,
you got better, or they just missed everything and you
was good the whole entire time.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
I was good the whole entire time. I like that.
I well, I wasn't flamboyant.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Yeah, you just played the game. You did it the
right way. This is a qui professional. As I said,
I was a higher gun.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
I was.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
I had some skills that was unique. But my best
years was year five through eight, no question on field,
on field performance, the way my body moved. When I
came over to Philly from Miami. My last year in
Miami was my best, and then my first two years
in Philly I thought was my best. But I understood
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who was in front of me, like Troy Rod, Woolston Rod,
you know, Troy, Darryl Green, Darryl I get it. Back
then it was those three guys. They weren't going any
place until they were ready to move on. And I
never forget calling Prime, hey man, you really want to go,
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like you really want to you really want to go
to And that was the following year he kind of
and guess what, fast forward, I made the call to
somebody else, Champ Bailly a Champ.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
I was voted in you ready to go? Yeah, I'm
ready to go, And then.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
That's that was that Does that make my first one?
Speaker 4 (38:23):
I was the alternate and then I got in because
one of the other guys like, let the young boy go,
and then I went. And so you're right, it does.
And I'm glad that the vets in the league understanding
that part of it, because the real guys know. But
now I'm not taking anything away. When you started getting
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into like fifth and sixth and seven.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
I mean like alternate, oh my, oh my, Like I
remember my first and party Nickerson.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
I walked in that room.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
It was straight up we practicing, Hey, we want to
feel fifteen minutes, like ready to go, and he boom,
hitting everybody like headbutting everybody in a huddle like hey,
we gonna go.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
I mean it was like.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
It wasn't no, We're gonna take it easy. Nope, we
hear we're gonna play.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Buckle up.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
I'm over in Hawaii, like I thought. Me and Nias
looking at each other like did he just yeah, man,
we gotta go.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
And now it's so, what do you feel about because
up until this past Pro Bowl conversation, how do you
feel about the product and what it's done.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
I actually want to give the NFL a lot of
props because the way the evolution has gone right, people
weren't tackling, so it didn't feel like football. So let's
not continue to watch this product where people are gonna
tune out, which they started to do.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Now I feel like it's a check in the right direction.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
Not because I'm a football purist so it's not football,
but like young people love what they're doing. Yes, like
my kids they just sat up and watching it. It
was so entertaining watching dodgeball, watching the questions and then
the quarterbacks throw, like this whole team aspect that's still there.
Guys seem like they're having fun, they're competing. They had
their little sprint competition. My kids didn't want to change
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the channel, and then all of a sudden I got it.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
It is called reimagine being practical man.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
The guys have a lot on the line. Now we're
asking a guy.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
To come play a game, or we were, or the
way to set up was, this is a time to celebrate.
You celebrate the best eighty plus players in the world
in this sport. What are things that make you happy?
You have funs the dodgeballs, playing cards, to skial things.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
They had a question there too, where you had to
see if you knew your best teammate.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Yeah, and then you say okay. Flag is a frankly,
it's a new sport for many, not for those who
are on the seven off seven because seven on seven
is flagged. For those who who've been around for decades
now they just say it's flag, but it's for many
of us it was seven on seven on seven. It's
a new sport. It allows us for to show people
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helmets off. You see the personalities of the players, which
is outstanding. We don't have enough of that. That's the
one challenge that we have as a sport. We got this,
you got this gladiator equipment on, so no one gets
a chance to see Peanut. No one gets a chance
to see Roman. And when you oh, he looks he's
actually a handsome young man or he smiles a lot,
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and you see the players with their families, and now
we have to keep reimagining. With that week, I think
that we have an opportunity to celebrate the young the
young student athletes, because right now all talks around in
nil and money, we forgot about the core of why
we do what we do. Ye man, we're still athletes.
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We're student athletes. If you think the money thing is
gonna make you happy, man, I'm telling you it's gonna
it's gonna be like you're gonna hit a wall of
bricks here sometime shortly, you and the family members everyone
that you're carrying. But let's continue to encourage the young
men and women, the young student athletes, the quality of
an education. So to celebrate talking to the National Football Foundation,
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hey would you consider doing like a Doak Walker Award.
I was with Jalen the Millroe and at the New
York Athletic Club celebrating, you know, his his accomplishment bringing
those kinds of things to the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
So you have that.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Week long of celebration, like no one's talking about this
young man, academic All American quarterback you know, played in
you know multiple big Bowl games. This is what we
want our young people to see.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
That would be awesome.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
So just those are the kind of things that we're
just thinking about have honors during that time where it
just becomes a week long celebration of the young student athlete,
both boys and girls, men and women, the collegiate. So
just asking are there any of those celebrations that we
can pull into that week and make it a week
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long celebration.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
And then on Sat. Sunday like they did this week.
The kids love it. That's the audience.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
No one's tuning into a three out there. You know,
they get enough of that during the regular season. Give
them something fun. They're staring their heroes, jumping a pile
of whatever, so pop line.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Yeah, my kids, they loved it. They were like crazy
all right.
Speaker 4 (43:41):
Which I just wanted to make sure I told you
that that I like the product. I like who you
guys are reimagining this, and I love that you're going
to bring in college people too, because then that allows
college players to be celebrated and then theirselfs being celebrated.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
For the right thing.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
Yes, and we ain't talking about none of the stuff
that people hate talking about, which is nil which nobody
really understands.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Also, what that platform does allows us to show the
reach of our game, like the international players coming over
and watching the young boys and girls like compete participate
from Panama in Canada, in Mexico. I saw Japan. I'm
looking at. I was looking at. I went to their
tournament and I'm saying, Okay, they got some they got
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some philosophy here, some layers like this you. I don't
know if they were thirteen or fourteen year olds, but
they were doing some some schematics like oh that's hot now,
you know, not two people in one spot.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
They had some decoy stuff coming out.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
So I'm like, okay, that's but it gives a chance
to showcase our game globally.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Didn't they beat us in a game like the adults?
Speaker 1 (44:47):
It was like yeah, like Mexican, Yeah, okay, especially with
LA twenty Olympics.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
Are you ready?
Speaker 4 (44:54):
Are you ready to play this game? It's called the
Troy Vincent Replay game.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
Ready. He just freestyleed that too, He just make it up.
I'm ready? How are you ready? I'm ready?
Speaker 2 (45:01):
All right?
Speaker 3 (45:03):
Do I have timeouts? No? You do not have timeouts?
And there's no replay. Got about ten seconds to answer right,
because we're on the clock.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
All right, We're gonna ask you three questions to see
if you remember, and it's about your playing career, which
you don't keep any memorabilia around either, so I'm really
interested to.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
See if you get this right. All right, do you remember.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
The six players that were drafted in front of you?
Speaker 4 (45:24):
Troy Benson was drafted number seven overall in nineteen ninety two,
Steve Adman number one correct, Quentin Corriott number two correct,
Desmond Howard number four correct, Terrell Buckley number five.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
Correct, and.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
I can't remember them.
Speaker 4 (45:46):
Ten Tecns are up, David Klingler, David Klanler quarterback, and.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
Sean Gilbert defensive tack So I should have it.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
I should have got that.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Well, I should have knew because I gave up that.
So that night before the draft, the Rams they came
to me to be the third pick. Okay, they were
doing a lot of pre draft deals at that time,
so Indianapolis wasn't sure if they wanted to take the
D tackle in the dB or D tackle in a linebacker.
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They ended up going with Quinton and the big fella.
So they called me at the hotel. I'm in New
York at the Hotel of Draft because I was always
projected one through five the latest. And when they called me,
those two had already signed four year deals and they
offered me a five year deal. But the way they
positioned it was, you don't want to be the third
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pick in the draft. And then I want to ask
them the terms. It was a year over more than
what the first two. That mean I was going to
hurt everybody else behind me. I didn't have an agent,
it was just me and my grandparents. So I was
in the hotel like, I don't want to hurt nobody
behind me. But if I signed this, accept this. And
they said, well, we're gonna call Sean Gilbert. He was
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that pit because Shawn gonna be there. I said, well,
if you want to be the third pick, that's fine.
I just wherever I go, wherever I go. So I
should have knew that Sean Gilbert third. Another great story.
All right, you ready number two quarterbacks? Do you remember
the quarterback that you got your first career interception on,
Jeff George? Yeah, okay, do you know if you had
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any return yards?
Speaker 3 (47:28):
No? I think I fell Lewis. I think Louis.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Oliver, you got some return yards.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
I thought I failed because I was so happy that
the ball was actually in my hand. I got my
first I thought I caught the ball and then and
then filled you took it back thirtyou thirty two yards okay,
and then got tackled.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Okay, But it was Jeff George correct. It was Jeff
George correct.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
All right.
Speaker 4 (47:50):
You have sacked five quarterbacks in your NFL career.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
Do you remember who they were?
Speaker 1 (47:57):
No?
Speaker 3 (47:58):
I do this, yes, not all.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
But the one that I just think about the most
because I see him every Sunday is Troy Aikman.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
Was that just Philly in Dallas? Okay?
Speaker 1 (48:08):
We don't really see ey eye and a lot of
different things. And when sometimes I hear them just on
Saturday talk or Sunday games, just it still comes back
to you.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
Gotta let them know. Just comes back to me.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
It comes back to me.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
So yes, and then Troy, and I do remember sacking
Rams from the Greatest Show on Turf. No, No, no,
that's that's that's not hurt.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
Yeah that you made that up. No, I thought we
were just back a week.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
You drint that.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
Gott.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
I thought I got Curt Okay, but it was only
Actually I didn't have many sacks.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
I didn't. They didn't blitz me often me either. Here
we go, you ready, who was it? I'll help you out.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
Trent Dilfert, Tampa nine season and ninety nine, Kerry Collins
two thousands season, Ryan Leaf oh one season Chargers.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
Yeah, I mean who else did you play for?
Speaker 1 (49:07):
Oh, I'm just I'm just okay, okay. And you got
him one and a half times, okay, all right? And
then Luke mcow oh four?
Speaker 3 (49:16):
Who is Luke playing for?
Speaker 4 (49:19):
Who's he playing for? Thomas in the corner. Gotta look
that up for us. I'm glad to check it. Check
the numbers on that one. But yeah, you got him,
know four Luke? Okay, see, thank you for that. Yeah,
we actually taught you something. Yes, it's normally doesn't happen
when you come in a ton. You got most sacks
and me I only got three.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
I didn't know that either. I didn't blitz that.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
Five five and a half.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
He played for the Browns, Okay, I know that.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
Yeah, see you go, I sacked somebody from sting from
from from from the Rams.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
But this is totally this has to be preseason.
Speaker 3 (49:58):
Okay, you.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
Okay, okay, you're gonna go back and make preseason status.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
That's that game. You're not it. Well, Troy Man, thank you.
I want to thank you all.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
I really enjoy listening to you all shared the game
and when I was asking earlier about just how are
we doing? Because you all talk about ball, You talk
about what people are doing, but you you keep the
main thing to you go back to ball, and that's
so important. And it's always great to see my colleagues
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do well. You're all extremely professional. Business is business, but
you do a hell of a job just honoring and
celebrating your colleagues. So I just thank you all for
what you do.
Speaker 4 (50:51):
I appreciate that man too, he called those colleagues even
though I was on Troy's level, appreciate.
Speaker 3 (50:59):
I like that colleague. We represented the game together well.
Speaker 4 (51:02):
Before we get out of here, what is the one
simple statement I can give to all the Kansas City
referee haters out there, like my wife, so I can,
like without just hitting it with the numbers, because not
everybody wants to hear the numbers.
Speaker 3 (51:14):
Joy Like. They don't want that. They don't want it
to make sense. Losers talk, that's loser talk. That's what
he said.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
That's losers talk. There's no referee or officiating favoritism towards
towards the chief chiefs. Is when someone's beating you so consistently,
that is that's where you will go. That's where people
(51:40):
will go, is you look for a reason of a
reason to point to why you lost. And that's every
team they've beat. I get it on Monday morning from
the coach to GM and then some time whether that's
the club, that that that club owner. Yeah, something, you
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lost the game. We lost the game because of this
particular call or this call. No, you lost the game
because you had X amount of X, Y and Z.
You couldn't stay on sides. So that's what I was
just saying that. It just I got it. Just that's
that Drake talk. Yeah, it sounded like, Drake, just take that.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
You're taking ls.
Speaker 4 (52:24):
This is my last thing because last time last year
we talked at the Super Bowl, Taylor Swift was a
big deal and you were.
Speaker 3 (52:32):
Like, you know, I don't even really know.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
And then remember he talked about you didn't really not
remember it, and I would be honest, the NFL is
not She hasn't shown up on the TV screens as much,
and so is that for any particular reason or you
don't I don't.
Speaker 3 (52:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
I don't control the broadcast trucks and where their cameras go.
But when I spoke to you all last year, I
was one D transparent.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
It irritated me earlier on in the year, Yeah, because
I'm like, you know, I get I get a camera
count of Okay, how many cameras I got on a
head coach, how many cameras I got on a white hat?
How many cameras I got on the QB. And I'm
looking why we keep going there? And I'm saying, commissioner
out there? So you see the box you know that
(53:16):
the camera go to it. I'm like, commissioner out there,
the president is out there?
Speaker 3 (53:20):
Who's this?
Speaker 1 (53:23):
And doing one of the timeouts one of the breaks,
one of my colleagues.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
Was like, that's like, that's Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
I was like, who is Taylor Swift? And they looked
at me like you cannot be There's no way you
just said that.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
That's what I said to you. Like literally, I'm like,
who is she?
Speaker 1 (53:42):
She's what is she saying? Country? Like, what is she saying?
And they was like, no, she's a star. Then I
doubled down and did something. I was like like me,
I'll say You're like yeah, like I'm trying to make
a correlation. I'm seriously, I'm right in between the break.
I got four minutes, but I can tell my colleagues
didn't want me to say more in the room because
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I was like, hey, why we keep putting the camera there, Like,
what's they're trying to say?
Speaker 3 (54:08):
If people are they were trying to save they were
trying to save you.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
It was like, yo, that's Taylor sweat. Okay, okay, Troy
appreciates you coming on the poet us out of here,
Peanut time.
Speaker 3 (54:18):
I appreciate you were good.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
Uh sure like subscribe, follow, iHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts.
Speaker 3 (54:26):
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Speaker 2 (54:29):
Yes, it's the new one. It's the new one. Tell
a friend and tell a friend of what. Tell a
friend baby, Hey, I'm peanut, that's wrong. That's Troy. This
is the NFL Player's second Acts podcast. We out the
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don there back the back about the b
I was like, who is Taylor Swift? And they looked
at me like, you cannot be There's no way you
just said that.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome everybody, Peanut to him and this is the NFL
Player's Second Acts Podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
And with me as always, I got my guy Roaman
Harper with that. I like this. What's sweet?
Speaker 4 (00:25):
I believe it is. I like correct, I thank you,
I appreciate it. Man, thanks for all our listeners in
and viewers. Always appreciate you always tuning in. And Peana
that I'm very excited to have our guests. We've had
him on before, but he is so intelligent, he's so
necessary and I can't wait because he always gives the
people what we want whether we want it or not.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
We're gonna ask it.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yeah. So he's actually been on the show three times.
He is a Walter Payton Man of the Year Award winner.
He is a College Football Hall of Famer. He is
the vice president of Football Ops. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome
to the pod. Troy vinces this show.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I love the energy.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Well, the energy is high.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
This morning Peanut worked out, so he's on one.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I'm on one. He's like, he's on like two.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
But yeah, that part, where do you keep your Walter.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Payton Man of the Year award up?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I just brought it back to the office. That thing's
heavy too. It's heavy, but it was it's it's I
haven't weighed, uh, but it's it's heavy. Actually two years
ago I brought it back to It was actually in
the closet.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Mm hmm. Was collecting us was like in a box,
like where do you where do you keep it was?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
It wasn't It wasn't in a box. We don't keep
I don't keep nothing at home. At our our primary home,
we keep no football artifacts.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
There's nothing.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
So when the kids when they grew up, there was
nothing around football in the house. As you went to
the gym, there might have been something old in the
gym area, but there's nothing. No trophyse no plaques, no certificates,
you know, outside of my degrees in college. In my
office there's nothing. And then maybe about two years ago
(02:09):
when they moved my office, I had some things that
was kind of I don't want to say, not collecting dust.
But I've been you know, through the years, I've been
recognized quite a bit. Yeah, and I know it means
something to the people around me. It has value. It's
in let's consider it. It's for the folks that are
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in this industry. And we just do what we do
because it's the right thing to do. You know, we're
responsible for moving things forward. But that particular trophy was
home and I just brought it back to the office
two years ago.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
So is there a particular reason why you have nothing,
no artifacts of off any football things in your house
when you are a football guy.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
That is, this game has provided so many things.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
That's not the endgame. The end game is to serve
christ good law abiding citizens, and you know you'll have
another career. And that's like in all most of us.
You know, you want to play ball, you want to
play pro ball. But we have a lot of artwork
about our history, about our responsibility to carry things forward.
(03:18):
So those are the images. I know what I can
be by what I see. So that's my wife and
I we've been very particular about putting images of things
that they can they could be. My sons don't have
to be football players to be to bring value to society.
My daughter doesn't have to be and this hey, our
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youngest daughter wants to be a school teacher. So we
have images in our artworks speak to different things, different
career paths, the challenges of our history, so that they
can see and always remember where we've come from, what
the fight is, and where we need to go.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Again.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Most of my little sport sport things are are in
the office.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
So where does the Walter Patman of the Year. Where
does that rank as far as all of your accomplishments.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I get asked that question often and I've just been fortunate,
just through the grace of God. You know, I've been
a recipient of the Part Star, I've been a recipient
of the Byron Wizard White, I've been a recipient of
the Jefferson Award the Sporting News Good So I've I've
had that opportunity to be recognized. I just use the
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term recognized. But in the space that I love the most,
which is football, It's given me more than I can
ever give it. It's at the pinnacle because it truly
represents excellence. I'm keeping it in the framework of the sport.
It is one that is the most recognizable and our sport.
(05:02):
So it sits in the middle of the office so
that staff members. One is a reminder who you're talking
to when you come into my office, and what I
represent and what we represent for those and it's really
beyond the recipient of that particular year, because all of
these young men are winners. They're all team winners.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
You did a good job of explaining all that too before.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Priefou's like, how much pride we all takeing that, because
it really is you're giving to your community that award.
So to even be recognized for your team that year
is a big deal. And then all of a sudden,
the real winner, it's even better.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
So that's even that language of when I was on
a call. We were on a call with the team winners,
the club winners. It's just important to celebrate them because
they're representing you know, fifty sixty sixty something.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Guys in that locker room. They are.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
The team winner. Yeah, and then there's going to be
one person recognized nationally.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
So it's.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
It's just another vehicle to just to spread the gospel
and to keep the main thing the main thing, because
when people ask me about it all the time, I'm
able to pivot and talk about real issues.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
So I mean, amongst players, you talk to a lot
of the guys and you get a sense of it,
and you know does a really good job of this too.
It's like, how coveted it is this award, the Walter
Payton Man of the Year Award. As far as like
the players see it. I know, the trophy is one
of the nicest, it's one of the heaviest. You get
to put it in now, you get it.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
On the jersey. Now it's it's about fifty pounds. Just
y'all listening the trophies ways about Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
I only know because I tried to pick up peanuts
before and I was like, man, this thing is way heavy.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Than I thought it was. No, it's crazy heavy.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah, crazy, And you don't realize that when you get
it because you're just like, oh, yeah, I'm just leaving
sitting it's way heavy.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
So how coveted it is.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
This awarded to the players that get these things, This
award as far as like all the awards that are
out there, individual awards.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
So you have to look at it because it's you
got to one to be a performer on the field,
but yet it really truly speaks to who you are.
So every club, different clubs have different ways that it
shows up on how they celebrate and now we've just
seen when Peanut and I were recognized, it was just
you know, at the time they ever given out watches,
(07:20):
So I got a card and a watch, and outside
of the Philly market, in the Jersey market where I'm from,
no one else you didn't talk about the other the
other folks. But now it's a lead wide effort. I
think people truly have an understanding of Connie, Jared, Brittany,
the family. We have to continue to tell the history
(07:44):
of Walter, the Bears. So I think collectively as a league,
we've done a better job of celebrating the good, the
good of the game, the value of the men inside
their communities. Guy walks into locker room, that's the first thing,
you know, they start talking about it. And now that
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the players have say so into who they're that's why
that's so important, because the players know who's actually genuine
and actually doing some really good work. So I do believe,
you know, outside of you know, winning the ultimate game,
the Super Bowl, it's always nice to have at least
(08:27):
a Pro Bowl nod on your quote unquote sports resume.
But when you start getting into the MOI that man
of the Year, you're in like rare was it forty
something thousand people seventy something thousand and you got like
forty eight When you just start looking at the history
and then the men that have received it, I think
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each player in each locker room they covet it, you know,
like what.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Can I do?
Speaker 1 (08:54):
And we hope that we're inspiring other people, other young
men as they coming to the league. Your legacy in
que and Kwana and I we talk about this all
the time at work. Your legacy is not in about
interceptions and touchdowns. Hey, look, I was part of Eagles
run in Philly that four championship games in the row lost.
(09:14):
Nobody's talking about that. They talking about these and they
should they shouldn't someone else? Nine other people in the
ward number twenty three. Yeah, other people are intercepting balls,
other people going to Pro Bowls. But who's out there? Like,
your legacy is into how many other people are you impacting?
Like that's where your families, your family legacy, your individual legacy.
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Those kind of things last, they're everlasting.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
So shout out the nationwide for putting up some coin
and really putting the word out about the men of
the Year. But not only that, though, I wear jackets,
blazer sport codes, and I never have my little my
little Man of the Year pen. You worn't on your lapel,
so don't We were somewhere. I forget where we were.
But Troy's real big on. Whenever you go out and
(10:02):
you got a jacket on, you got to word a
little man into your pens. So when I was packing
my suits to come here to do these interviews, I
got my little I didn't even know they had a
little yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
And and why it's important because you're in a rare
classes like you're just in there and it pops out
everywhere you're in the airport to go now even in office,
which is a shame. Now I have to say this
in full transparency, even in the office. Batman is that cayah?
(10:36):
But you go, excuse me, you work in marketing. So
but it allows you, as we would to say, to
build and the share you in the airport and people
are trying to figure out, you know, easy to shield
z easy, the American flags eazy and they're trying to
figure that out. And then as soon as you say
Walter Payne and I go yes, ma'am or yes, sir.
(11:00):
I was a recipient back in you know, two thousand
and two.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Oh my god, you know, I.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Was such a big Walter fan. And then you can
you know, you can talk about you know, I have
the opportunity each day to represent the family, you know,
a piece of Connie, And we tell us to Jared
and Brittany all the time when we leave, when we
show up, when we all show up, we're carrying a
piece of their legacy as part of our own family legacy.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
All right, let's pivot and get into the real serious question.
So this is where we're going to left. This is
where we're going to left. Okay, Thomas in the corner,
We're going left. I want to know your thoughts on
what you think of the fans and basically all NFL
fans about the referees and how everyone thinks that they
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are for the Kansas City Chiefs, specifically in the AFC
Championship game, fourth quarters, like sixteen minutes off or something
like that, and it was a fourth and one and
Buffalo goals for and they don't get it, and then
the rest they say they didn't get it and ultimately
can see it gets the ball back. What are your
thoughts on.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Troy Flat out like my wife would say, they cheeing
for the chiefs.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
It says they cheaming. What's going on, Troy, that's Heller's question.
Heller put me up to that question.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
So immediately my first reaction because I hear it and
I see it's just like.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
That's losers talk.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I put myself back in that seat and just say,
that's that's that's losing, that's loser's jargon. That's that Monday
morning or that even that late evening and you're trying
to figure out how you explain to your front office
why they don't whoop you the last couple of years period,
(12:47):
there's always a human element and you hear what about
technology and when is such and such? At the end
of the day, there's always a human element that we
cannot ignore. When did for progress stop? That whistle has
to be blown by human and forward progress?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Where did it stop? You can bring in all.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
The technology you want after that, but that human element
will always exist. Now, you were sure six inches with
another play, as we would say, okay, we got to
blow up one more time. Somebody got to make a play.
You all been in that huddle. Somebody got to make
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a play. Don't matter who it is. You fell short
again and you gave the chance back the ball they
moved forward in Super Bowl fifty nine period, I just
we can go no, and then what does the data say?
And I just shared it because yesterday I was out
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of the community event and I'm coming back and I'm
hearing some of this, I would say noise, and I'm like, oh,
let's just send out. Here's we eighteen weeks of plays,
playoff play. So QB hits whether it's rough in the passer,
un RS uns's well, r U and RS is like
(14:14):
rough in the passer, I mean unnecessary roughness. So the
penalties around the QB, so you got unnecessary roughness, you
got rps's this is rough in the pass or any
of the quarterback. We would consider the quarterback. So per
one hundred plays, Kansas City ranks eighth on calls, correct calls,
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calls that are favorable for them, favorable to other clubs.
I mean, tell to other quarterbacks. And you just look
at all thirty two. They're right at number eight and
there's some other people there that's like, but these are
the facts, right that if you don't put the facts
out there, you get all of this speculations, don't care
about facts. Correct, correct, and then you let it ride.
(14:57):
So what it did was it takes on its own.
But we're watching in AMGC, which is our McNally Game
Day Central, and we were just looking and the officials
are the players should be a faceless object. If the
guys off side, he's off side, I don't give They
don't give a crap. If he's a Hall of Famer,
future Hall of famer, plays for the Eagles, plays for
the Colts, it doesn't matter. He's off side. These off sides. Yeah,
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and if you see it, call it. If it's not
clear and obvious, leave it alone.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Here's something I think fans don't know or want to know.
How are restigrated? Do they if I get say two
or three bad calls? A great question in this game?
Do I get the ref next week? Or do I
get binged? A great question? Great question, peanut. So you
have two areas that we look at most. It is
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foul recognition. Did you recognize it? Did you recognize what
is happening? And then did you actually call it? Was
it the right call or the incorrect call? Did you
put a.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Foul down or did you not so it's really simple.
We've really we call it reduced to variables. As a player,
you made the play, you didn't make a play, plus minus,
and then about two weeks somebody gonna be saying, you're
gonna look it in the corner. Somebody gonna be backpelling
in the corner about to take you.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
We got to get a work out. We got to
get a work out. Somebody working out.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
So with the officials, you got one hundred and twenty two,
and then you got seventeen ROS, which is a replay officials,
and you got seventeen ras replay assistance. They're graded on
every play. They all have a coach, so they all
have a position coach. Okay, like we do. They all
have a coordinator, so you call it co coordinators. Do
(16:36):
they have coordinators coach coordinators? I didn't know that is yes,
that is just evaluating them individually as a as a
line judge, back judge, side judge. And then you got
a coordinator that's making sort of position coach is now
grading and making sure that he's educating that that official
the right way. And then we added a third layer
(16:58):
at independent audit, so we have a third person during
the week making sure there's no funny business going on. Now,
what's the challenge, the real challenge for the official, And
this is what I've seen personally. You're officiating sometimes around
gamesmanship that is hard, that is very, very difficult. So
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people say, what do you mean gamesmanship? Well, we know
when we're prepping for the opponent, there's certain things, certain
looks I want to give them to try to what
tricky or try to disguise something. They're not only trying
to trying to defeat their opponent, but they're also now
teaching this is what this official can see, and this
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is what they can't see, or they'll go back because
now clubs are doing officiating of reporting like they do
with the player. And you know every week there's somebody
with a red jersey on or somebody such or such.
You're always watching them. Well, the clubs do that for official.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
We see it.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
This person will call this or likely not to call it.
So you can get away with this this week. But
we're not even gonna put this in the game plan
because this referee or this umpire, they do a pretty
good job of picking this up or this back or down.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Judge.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
They typically let some chicken fighting as we would call
in hand fighting. They let it go on this one
right here, they're gonna throw it.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
So Sean Payton when he was my head coach, he
always had the referee report this crew. Hey, hands to
the face, big holding. This is a crew that calls it.
They're ranked a da da da da. You know, oh
this week this referee passing affarence highly they don't really
call that one. So guys, you're gonna be able to
play a little bit more on the outside of it.
(18:45):
So we did the same thing. I think that's huge,
right to understand who you're playing. It's part of the opponent. Yes,
Like knowing all the information before you go out there
helps you be ready. The same thing you're talking about
the gamesmanship. This is my last thing on the referees.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
I want to know.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
How they got all this information. Right, you're giving them
all this information. You got a coach, you got a coordinator,
now you got three levels of all these things. How
do you take all that information but then still be
able to block out the noise and still call the
game and understand because, like like you said, when God
started getting in there, you got to know the field
and floor of the game too, because we're not here
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to watch you referee games.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
That's what makes them extraordinary. At a high rate of speed,
you know, real time, no cameras. We all have the
luxury now eighty one cameras, one hundred cameras slow mo.
Yeah I saw it. Yeah, I've been watching it for
a day and a half, so now I'm picked it up.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
He saw a real time overall.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I just was looking at this yes last week as
we were speaking to the commissioner. So we have an
average of ninety recognition rate, so the foul count. Then
then we talked about the actual recognition and then now
you did you call it? Did you throw it? They
sit around eighty eight to ninety percent. We had three
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crews that was one hundred in both categories. Those are
the ones you're gonna see this Sunday.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
So and they're not cruising. You know, people say, well
one on to cruise, and Coach Peyton was one that
thought that, man the crew consistency, which I appreciate that thought.
But they are looking to get into postseason play. They
want to be right, Yeah, they want to be right.
But what we see in that in the championship and
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in particular the Super Bowl, you are seeing, like Ron told,
the very best of he is recognizing at a clip
of one hundred percent and every foul he throws is
one hundred percent with no assistance. So I want you
to think about that.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Kudos.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
I've had again working with them every day, seeing and
they just block it out, you know, with the.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Their mic, their live with all of it.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
And you could just imagine what's coming out of some
of these coaches' mouths when they go over to say, hey,
go go tell coach you know, pick the you know,
pick up. You don't have to challenge, just we got
it such and such, and I mean just they're going
at it and they just block it out and get
ready for the next snap.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I would hate to be that line just though, because
that's the one that gets it, yes.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
And what we're asking them to do now, so you know,
halfway through the season, I just have to share this.
Halfway through the season, they're like, what you want us
to do with all of this fighting? You know, like
we're getting ourselves hurt. We saw we lost an official
Arizona San Francisco, a playoff official breaking up a fight.
(21:46):
You know, towards hand me up, so you when you're
trying to officiate a game, officiate around games and ship
we got them doing one hundred thousand things on the
medical side and making sure can you tell a coach
dison making sure you do that. They just do it.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
They do it. They do an extraordinary job. Yeah, I
like that. We'll be back in a minute. What are
the uh every year?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
And I was trying to tell earlier, I'm fortunate enough
to be on these zoom calls with you and we
talk right before the season and we talk after the season,
and they're probably a good twenty twenty five guys on
these zooms call on the Zoom calls that that we
go through what are the top priorities for this coming
off season.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Kick off?
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Okay, if people, if you can remember it was last
year was only a one year only rule, so that
that dynamic kickoff with the setup zone, it was only
a one where we're going to see the concussions. What
were we trying. We were trying to go get and
lower that concussion rate.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
We did that.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
There was three hundred and thirty two competitive plays introduced
back into the game, meaning live action, not a ceremonial play.
So the foot being in the game is a critical
part of the game. That is, you got three phases.
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We've all been taught three phases. Offense, defense, and special teams.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
If you win.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Either of the two, more than likely you're gonna want
the outcome of that game is going to be favorable
to you. The foot is back in the game with
the dynamic kickoff, So a year ago we had a
return rate of twenty percent, you know, leaving out, we're
close to thirty I think close to thirty four, thirty
six somewhere, so high thirties.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
It's a field position.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Change, start drives and now twenty nine yard line unlike
the twenty four to twenty five to go five yard
Oh yeah, this is a game in inches. So think
about our quarterbacks getting the ball on the thirty. So
that first intends on the thirty. The likelihood of you
score punts are down because.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Drivers are starting earlier.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Now people are going for it because the close our
getting now yes, i'd say yes, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yes, like fifty to fifty nine plays of plus forty yards.
So the kickoff got some cleaning up to do there.
So that's top priority. So that the kickoff and making
that a permanent rule probably reduced We had a couple
of touchbacks. You know, there was a twenty to thirty
five and forty if you kicked out of bounce. Let's
make it easy for everybody. Let's make it simpler for
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the fan. Maybe just just two touchback spots. You kick
it to the sideline, it comes back to the thirty
five or thirty, so the membership would have to discuss that.
The one I have at the top of the list
that was very unsettling for me personally this year was
sportsman sportsmanship. You know, we were up one hundred and
thirty three percent, and.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Is that just like me pointing at you and now
that is so?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
We were fifty fifty two percent and tawny and one
hundred and thirty three percent and and violent gestures.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
So like like the gun shooting.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
And guns and up my shirt to show gang gang
signs the gun and it's just so this is where yeah,
so this is where we that's all we have is
our game at I'm not trying to tell you who
you It's not about where you're from, It's about where
you at. And right now you're a professional in the
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National Football League, and I've had heart to heart conversation, passionate,
emotional conversation because all we got is a game. Man,
you want to grab your little crotch and stand over
top of somebody.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
The stuff that.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
I'm seeing like spitting on people, you know, poking people
in the eye like and a lot of those things
we miss but we can pick up during the week.
So I'm again, I'm gonna repeat that one hundred and
thirty three percent up.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
And a lot of this is we're not seeing it
on Sundays the flag come, but you guys are seeing.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
It and we send it a fast Yeah. Okay, now
people people don't realize that.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
You realize nocts one time and I was like, wait,
the game was Sunday.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Why am I getting this letter? And you all saw this.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I hope we can just have good, good candidate, like
when I saw we had the suspension in the Houston
Tennessee game earlier with the linebacker, she's it. And then
we watched a wildcard game. When I see a player
touch a coach, I don't come from that school, like
I just it's hard for me to process that. It's
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hard for me to even think about the veteran leadership
on that sideline in that locker room allowing that to happen.
So these are the little things that we need to
clean up and then replay assists. So the sportsmanship is
one that's at the top. That's something that we just
all got to agree on, every club, every head coach,
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and we see it. We see what head coaches have
control of that side. We know what we see it.
I've seen two coaches this year actually confront players for
some bull job on the field, you know, and as
Dan and that's John and I seen I'm sorry three
and Mike T coach Campbell. Hey man, that was a
fifteen yard stupid penalty. Yeah what you that's hurting the
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team and it was a selfish act. So we got
to clean that up. I talked about the kickoff and
then replay replay assists. We learned last year by expanding
replay assists when we have that roughing and pastor to
the head and neck area that forcible contact because oftentimes
with the gamesmanship, if we can look at it and go,
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he didn't touch him, but you know, he looks like
the same thing on the sideline that hit the runner
out of bounds.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Was he in?
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Was he out?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
So we you know, we expanded replay assists in that
area of just a roughing pastor to the head and
neck area, runner on the sideline, and the third ones
the intentional grounding. But we feel like there's some areas
that we know we do it really well. We can
pick it up face masks, you know, kicking what specifically
about face mask So remember a rake is not a
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face mask. When you see the hand and it keeps
moving even though the head, it made them glove sticky,
so they touch anything, they're gonna move the helmet. Oftentimes,
we've seen where the actual defender is grabbing inside of
the shoulder pad, but when he grabs and he pulls,
the head comes back, so it appears to be it
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looks real time as though it was a face mask.
And we know that's a big foul. We can quickly.
We can pick that up within five seconds. Nope is clean,
especially if there's fabric on the field. So we feel
like there's about eight categories that we feel like that
we could we can come and clean up again. To
be efficient and be accurate in that and that call
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to clean up, we want to still make sure the game,
it's still flowing along.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Is there is there any concern about extending the season
from seventeen games to eighteen games, specifically tarnishing or tainting
some of these records, right Sakwan he could have you know,
broke the record, but he didn't play. You got Mike Evans,
he had a thousand yards but he broke Uh no,
(29:24):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
He tied j record, Jerry Rice's record.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Is there any concern about like tainting these records because
guys are actually getting one or two extra games now
to actually to break the record.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
I think it tells you the level of how superior
those individuals were from the past. Oh yeah, when you start,
I hear the term like graded goat all the time,
like we have like commercialized this. This guy's going to
be a Hall of Fame or this guy's will go
y'all stop it, just stop it. That man, he did
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that in ten games. He did that in twelve games.
Those sacks he did that. That was a twelve or
fourteen game schedule. So I think as you think about
extending there's been a lot of talk about going to
an eighteen to two model. When I look at the
entire picture, and this is why players they got to
be informed and as I would say, keep the main thing,
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the main thing. You know, there's an economic piece here,
and then there's a wellness because the reality is somebody
gonna pay for it. On the other end, they're gonna
pay for it long term. When I just look at
attrition roster from week one, roster of the week seventeen eighteen,
the Kansas City Chiefs are they're here, They're healthy. They
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are probably the healthiest team, quarterbacks healthy. Philadelphia is healthy.
Lost a few people, but not those, as we would say,
not those, not those dogs, not the main dog, not
the main dogs. And I just think as the players,
as our office, as we examine all of this, there's
a lot of different factors.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
That come into play.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
And when we look at the rule books, rather than
a little asterisk, we need to start think about how
that is presented. When you start talking about breaking records, yeah,
he had two more games than the person that did
it back in nineteen eighty eight or nineteen ninety two
or nineteen sixty seven. So I think all the but
the attrician when I, as you all know, man week fifteen,
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Week sixteen, you just making it no doubt.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
So you talk about the attrition of it.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
I think this is perfect segue for also because it
doesn't start just in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Now it starts in college. College plays way.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
More games than they did back when you played, or
even when I played ten games was a lot. Winning
ten games was huge, and now it's just like, dude, yeah,
you just trying to get a playoff to get in
to play another three or four games, and then all
of a sudden, you playing all these games. Then you
get into the NFL. Now we're going to seventeen eighteen
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with no guardrails.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
So when I say no guardrails, when I look at
the way some of the colleges practice, I'm looking, you know,
with the monitors, with the chips, and I never I
can remember, like it was yesterday. I went to my
son's practice when he was at Ohio State, and I'm
looking on it. They got on this big old screen,
you know, guys running to you know, twenty three, twenty
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four miles an hour and if you're not hitting that
top speed like urban was going nuts.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
And in my mind, I'm.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Like, how could they do this every single day and
then show up on Saturday. But this was just mindset
and it was like go go go, go, go go go.
And at the college level, you know, it's about quantity,
not quality. So it's about more plays, more plays, more plays,
more plays, more plays, not quality. And I'm saying, Okay,
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that's why you're getting beat and then you banged up.
These jokers can't make it to the getting to the
final four or the championship game.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
But you can do that though, because you only got
a guy for four years, Like it's I think it's
a different mentality.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
I'm just I don't agree with it. I told that
guy is coming.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
But that guy that Bama, that guy LSU, that guy
Ohio Stateton and those programs like that. Yeah, that's your pro.
So you start putting that we said, well, he don't
got a lot lot of tread on, No, a lot
of tread off that tire.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
I want to know this too. Uh.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
This year's Super Bowl, we got another We got Patrick
Mahomes Jalen Hurts playing quarterback. The second time he's had
two African American black quarterbacks competing for a Super Bowl.
First time was these same two quarterbacks two years ago.
At what point does this no longer even become part
of the conversation because it was three out of the
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last three out of the final four, and now this
is just what the league.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Is personally and many of us that's a normal conversation.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Now you're looking at, you know, just starting black quarterbacks
in week one when we have sixteen seventeen we had
this year. Yeah, like it every year. But again, what
you see in college is what you're going to see here.
They're winning, they're winning championships. They don't have to prove
themselves about being smart. Can they run the offense? The
face of this league is is black quarterbacks. We've normalized
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that conversation. The conversations. We're not talking about these areas like,
ohc coach, you know a year ago, you know, National
Football League and to this date we don't. You still
don't have a black offensive coordinator. How could you not
have that? You know, the last time that happened, to
think was nineteen eighty eight. So you're taking steps back there.
You look at the offensive line, those areas that lead
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to head coaching, offensive line, tight end coach. You know,
people say what about the why you know, and I'll
say this, they're managing the room stop it. We know
that running back coach knows blocking assignments, he knows where
everything is run past, just like the QB. He has
to be a QB where protection is, where the slide protection,
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so on and so forth. That person is never considered
to be a OC or a head coach, even a
wide receiver coach. But we know when you look at
the makeup of those coaches, they're managing the room. What
do those individual rooms look like from a running back position?
What do those rooms look like from a defense? Running
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backs and wide receiver? No differently than the dB. You're
going to put people in the room to manage the
personalities in the room, not for career tracks. So we
still got a lot of things that we need to
tremendous progress. But we have a lot of areas, but
we got to call it out. You know, when we
talk about head coaching track, O line tight ends to
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back coaches. So but the quarterbacks we've normalized that man
and that that'll that'll continue.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
We'll be right back. You had a similar career path
as myself, specifically your first Pro Bowl in ninety nine.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
It was your eighth season. In other words, you didn't
get good to you was old.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yeah, they missed so they missed out on three peanut.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Hey, that's why I said a year will you never
go on the first great season? Everybody knows that I
had like four great seasons. I believe it, trust me.
But any when it gets it, I get it.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Ultimately, what I'm trying to say is as you got older,
you got better, or they just missed everything and you
was good the whole entire time.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
I was good the whole entire time. I like that.
I well, I wasn't flamboyant.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Yeah, you just played the game. You did it the
right way. This is a qui professional. As I said,
I was a higher gun.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
I was.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
I had some skills that was unique. But my best
years was year five through eight, no question on field,
on field performance, the way my body moved. When I
came over to Philly from Miami. My last year in
Miami was my best, and then my first two years
in Philly I thought was my best. But I understood
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who was in front of me, like Troy Rod, Woolston Rod,
you know, Troy, Darryl Green, Darryl I get it. Back
then it was those three guys. They weren't going any
place until they were ready to move on. And I
never forget calling Prime, hey man, you really want to go,
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like you really want to you really want to go
to And that was the following year he kind of
and guess what, fast forward, I made the call to
somebody else, Champ Bailly a Champ.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
I was voted in you ready to go? Yeah, I'm
ready to go, And then.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
That's that was that Does that make my first one?
Speaker 4 (38:23):
I was the alternate and then I got in because
one of the other guys like, let the young boy go,
and then I went. And so you're right, it does.
And I'm glad that the vets in the league understanding
that part of it, because the real guys know. But
now I'm not taking anything away. When you started getting
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into like fifth and sixth and seven.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
I mean like alternate, oh my, oh my, Like I
remember my first and party Nickerson.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
I walked in that room.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
It was straight up we practicing, Hey, we want to
feel fifteen minutes, like ready to go, and he boom,
hitting everybody like headbutting everybody in a huddle like hey,
we gonna go.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
I mean it was like.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
It wasn't no, We're gonna take it easy. Nope, we
hear we're gonna play.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Buckle up.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
I'm over in Hawaii, like I thought. Me and Nias
looking at each other like did he just yeah, man,
we gotta go.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
And now it's so, what do you feel about because
up until this past Pro Bowl conversation, how do you
feel about the product and what it's done.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
I actually want to give the NFL a lot of
props because the way the evolution has gone right, people
weren't tackling, so it didn't feel like football. So let's
not continue to watch this product where people are gonna
tune out, which they started to do.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Now I feel like it's a check in the right direction.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
Not because I'm a football purist so it's not football,
but like young people love what they're doing. Yes, like
my kids they just sat up and watching it. It
was so entertaining watching dodgeball, watching the questions and then
the quarterbacks throw, like this whole team aspect that's still there.
Guys seem like they're having fun, they're competing. They had
their little sprint competition. My kids didn't want to change
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the channel, and then all of a sudden I got it.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
It is called reimagine being practical man.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
The guys have a lot on the line. Now we're
asking a guy.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
To come play a game, or we were, or the
way to set up was, this is a time to celebrate.
You celebrate the best eighty plus players in the world
in this sport. What are things that make you happy?
You have funs the dodgeballs, playing cards, to skial things.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
They had a question there too, where you had to
see if you knew your best teammate.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Yeah, and then you say okay. Flag is a frankly,
it's a new sport for many, not for those who
are on the seven off seven because seven on seven
is flagged. For those who who've been around for decades
now they just say it's flag, but it's for many
of us it was seven on seven on seven. It's
a new sport. It allows us for to show people
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helmets off. You see the personalities of the players, which
is outstanding. We don't have enough of that. That's the
one challenge that we have as a sport. We got this,
you got this gladiator equipment on, so no one gets
a chance to see Peanut. No one gets a chance
to see Roman. And when you oh, he looks he's
actually a handsome young man or he smiles a lot,
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and you see the players with their families, and now
we have to keep reimagining. With that week, I think
that we have an opportunity to celebrate the young the
young student athletes, because right now all talks around in
nil and money, we forgot about the core of why
we do what we do. Ye man, we're still athletes.
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We're student athletes. If you think the money thing is
gonna make you happy, man, I'm telling you it's gonna
it's gonna be like you're gonna hit a wall of
bricks here sometime shortly, you and the family members everyone
that you're carrying. But let's continue to encourage the young
men and women, the young student athletes, the quality of
an education. So to celebrate talking to the National Football Foundation,
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hey would you consider doing like a Doak Walker Award.
I was with Jalen the Millroe and at the New
York Athletic Club celebrating, you know, his his accomplishment bringing
those kinds of things to the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
So you have that.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Week long of celebration, like no one's talking about this
young man, academic All American quarterback you know, played in
you know multiple big Bowl games. This is what we
want our young people to see.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
That would be awesome.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
So just those are the kind of things that we're
just thinking about have honors during that time where it
just becomes a week long celebration of the young student athlete,
both boys and girls, men and women, the collegiate. So
just asking are there any of those celebrations that we
can pull into that week and make it a week
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long celebration.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
And then on Sat. Sunday like they did this week.
The kids love it. That's the audience.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
No one's tuning into a three out there. You know,
they get enough of that during the regular season. Give
them something fun. They're staring their heroes, jumping a pile
of whatever, so pop line.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Yeah, my kids, they loved it. They were like crazy
all right.
Speaker 4 (43:41):
Which I just wanted to make sure I told you
that that I like the product. I like who you
guys are reimagining this, and I love that you're going
to bring in college people too, because then that allows
college players to be celebrated and then theirselfs being celebrated.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
For the right thing.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
Yes, and we ain't talking about none of the stuff
that people hate talking about, which is nil which nobody
really understands.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Also, what that platform does allows us to show the
reach of our game, like the international players coming over
and watching the young boys and girls like compete participate
from Panama in Canada, in Mexico. I saw Japan. I'm
looking at. I was looking at. I went to their
tournament and I'm saying, Okay, they got some they got
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some philosophy here, some layers like this you. I don't
know if they were thirteen or fourteen year olds, but
they were doing some some schematics like oh that's hot now,
you know, not two people in one spot.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
They had some decoy stuff coming out.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
So I'm like, okay, that's but it gives a chance
to showcase our game globally.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Didn't they beat us in a game like the adults?
Speaker 1 (44:47):
It was like yeah, like Mexican, Yeah, okay, especially with
LA twenty Olympics.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
Are you ready?
Speaker 4 (44:54):
Are you ready to play this game? It's called the
Troy Vincent Replay game.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
Ready. He just freestyleed that too, He just make it up.
I'm ready? How are you ready? I'm ready?
Speaker 2 (45:01):
All right?
Speaker 3 (45:03):
Do I have timeouts? No? You do not have timeouts?
And there's no replay. Got about ten seconds to answer right,
because we're on the clock.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
All right, We're gonna ask you three questions to see
if you remember, and it's about your playing career, which
you don't keep any memorabilia around either, so I'm really
interested to.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
See if you get this right. All right, do you remember.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
The six players that were drafted in front of you?
Speaker 4 (45:24):
Troy Benson was drafted number seven overall in nineteen ninety two,
Steve Adman number one correct, Quentin Corriott number two correct,
Desmond Howard number four correct, Terrell Buckley number five.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
Correct, and.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
I can't remember them.
Speaker 4 (45:46):
Ten Tecns are up, David Klingler, David Klanler quarterback, and.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
Sean Gilbert defensive tack So I should have it.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
I should have got that.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Well, I should have knew because I gave up that.
So that night before the draft, the Rams they came
to me to be the third pick. Okay, they were
doing a lot of pre draft deals at that time,
so Indianapolis wasn't sure if they wanted to take the
D tackle in the dB or D tackle in a linebacker.
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They ended up going with Quinton and the big fella.
So they called me at the hotel. I'm in New
York at the Hotel of Draft because I was always
projected one through five the latest. And when they called me,
those two had already signed four year deals and they
offered me a five year deal. But the way they
positioned it was, you don't want to be the third
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pick in the draft. And then I want to ask
them the terms. It was a year over more than
what the first two. That mean I was going to
hurt everybody else behind me. I didn't have an agent,
it was just me and my grandparents. So I was
in the hotel like, I don't want to hurt nobody
behind me. But if I signed this, accept this. And
they said, well, we're gonna call Sean Gilbert. He was
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that pit because Shawn gonna be there. I said, well,
if you want to be the third pick, that's fine.
I just wherever I go, wherever I go. So I
should have knew that Sean Gilbert third. Another great story.
All right, you ready number two quarterbacks? Do you remember
the quarterback that you got your first career interception on,
Jeff George? Yeah, okay, do you know if you had
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any return yards?
Speaker 3 (47:28):
No? I think I fell Lewis. I think Louis.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Oliver, you got some return yards.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
I thought I failed because I was so happy that
the ball was actually in my hand. I got my
first I thought I caught the ball and then and
then filled you took it back thirtyou thirty two yards okay,
and then got tackled.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Okay, But it was Jeff George correct. It was Jeff
George correct.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
All right.
Speaker 4 (47:50):
You have sacked five quarterbacks in your NFL career.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
Do you remember who they were?
Speaker 1 (47:57):
No?
Speaker 3 (47:58):
I do this, yes, not all.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
But the one that I just think about the most
because I see him every Sunday is Troy Aikman.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
Was that just Philly in Dallas? Okay?
Speaker 1 (48:08):
We don't really see ey eye and a lot of
different things. And when sometimes I hear them just on
Saturday talk or Sunday games, just it still comes back
to you.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
Gotta let them know. Just comes back to me.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
It comes back to me.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
So yes, and then Troy, and I do remember sacking
Rams from the Greatest Show on Turf. No, No, no,
that's that's that's not hurt.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
Yeah that you made that up. No, I thought we
were just back a week.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
You drint that.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
Gott.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
I thought I got Curt Okay, but it was only
Actually I didn't have many sacks.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
I didn't. They didn't blitz me often me either. Here
we go, you ready, who was it? I'll help you out.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
Trent Dilfert, Tampa nine season and ninety nine, Kerry Collins
two thousands season, Ryan Leaf oh one season Chargers.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
Yeah, I mean who else did you play for?
Speaker 1 (49:07):
Oh, I'm just I'm just okay, okay. And you got
him one and a half times, okay, all right? And
then Luke mcow oh four?
Speaker 3 (49:16):
Who is Luke playing for?
Speaker 4 (49:19):
Who's he playing for? Thomas in the corner. Gotta look
that up for us. I'm glad to check it. Check
the numbers on that one. But yeah, you got him,
know four Luke? Okay, see, thank you for that. Yeah,
we actually taught you something. Yes, it's normally doesn't happen
when you come in a ton. You got most sacks
and me I only got three.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
I didn't know that either. I didn't blitz that.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
Five five and a half.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
He played for the Browns, Okay, I know that.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
Yeah, see you go, I sacked somebody from sting from
from from from the Rams.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
But this is totally this has to be preseason.
Speaker 3 (49:58):
Okay, you.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
Okay, okay, you're gonna go back and make preseason status.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
That's that game. You're not it. Well, Troy Man, thank you.
I want to thank you all.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
I really enjoy listening to you all shared the game
and when I was asking earlier about just how are
we doing? Because you all talk about ball, You talk
about what people are doing, but you you keep the
main thing to you go back to ball, and that's
so important. And it's always great to see my colleagues
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do well. You're all extremely professional. Business is business, but
you do a hell of a job just honoring and
celebrating your colleagues. So I just thank you all for
what you do.
Speaker 4 (50:51):
I appreciate that man too, he called those colleagues even
though I was on Troy's level, appreciate.
Speaker 3 (50:59):
I like that colleague. We represented the game together well.
Speaker 4 (51:02):
Before we get out of here, what is the one
simple statement I can give to all the Kansas City
referee haters out there, like my wife, so I can,
like without just hitting it with the numbers, because not
everybody wants to hear the numbers.
Speaker 3 (51:14):
Joy Like. They don't want that. They don't want it
to make sense. Losers talk, that's loser talk. That's what
he said.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
That's losers talk. There's no referee or officiating favoritism towards
towards the chief chiefs. Is when someone's beating you so consistently,
that is that's where you will go. That's where people
(51:40):
will go, is you look for a reason of a
reason to point to why you lost. And that's every
team they've beat. I get it on Monday morning from
the coach to GM and then some time whether that's
the club, that that that club owner. Yeah, something, you
(52:04):
lost the game. We lost the game because of this
particular call or this call. No, you lost the game
because you had X amount of X, Y and Z.
You couldn't stay on sides. So that's what I was
just saying that. It just I got it. Just that's
that Drake talk. Yeah, it sounded like, Drake, just take that.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
You're taking ls.
Speaker 4 (52:24):
This is my last thing because last time last year
we talked at the Super Bowl, Taylor Swift was a
big deal and you were.
Speaker 3 (52:32):
Like, you know, I don't even really know.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
And then remember he talked about you didn't really not
remember it, and I would be honest, the NFL is
not She hasn't shown up on the TV screens as much,
and so is that for any particular reason or you
don't I don't.
Speaker 3 (52:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
I don't control the broadcast trucks and where their cameras go.
But when I spoke to you all last year, I
was one D transparent.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
It irritated me earlier on in the year, Yeah, because
I'm like, you know, I get I get a camera
count of Okay, how many cameras I got on a
head coach, how many cameras I got on a white hat?
How many cameras I got on the QB. And I'm
looking why we keep going there? And I'm saying, commissioner
out there? So you see the box you know that
(53:16):
the camera go to it. I'm like, commissioner out there,
the president is out there?
Speaker 3 (53:20):
Who's this?
Speaker 1 (53:23):
And doing one of the timeouts one of the breaks,
one of my colleagues.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
Was like, that's like, that's Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
I was like, who is Taylor Swift? And they looked
at me like you cannot be There's no way you
just said that.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
That's what I said to you. Like literally, I'm like,
who is she?
Speaker 1 (53:42):
She's what is she saying? Country? Like, what is she saying?
And they was like, no, she's a star. Then I
doubled down and did something. I was like like me,
I'll say You're like yeah, like I'm trying to make
a correlation. I'm seriously, I'm right in between the break.
I got four minutes, but I can tell my colleagues
didn't want me to say more in the room because
(54:03):
I was like, hey, why we keep putting the camera there, Like,
what's they're trying to say?
Speaker 3 (54:08):
If people are they were trying to save they were
trying to save you.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
It was like, yo, that's Taylor sweat. Okay, okay, Troy
appreciates you coming on the poet us out of here,
Peanut time.
Speaker 3 (54:18):
I appreciate you were good.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
Uh sure like subscribe, follow, iHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts.
Speaker 3 (54:26):
Check us out NFL YouTube channel.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
Yes, it's the new one. It's the new one. Tell
a friend and tell a friend of what. Tell a
friend baby, Hey, I'm peanut, that's wrong. That's Troy. This
is the NFL Player's second Acts podcast. We out the
(55:00):
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