December 9, 2024 • 27 mins
On this episode of the Coach McVay Show, Los Angeles Rams general manager Les Snead joins J.B. Long and D’Marco Farr to reflect on Sunday's Week 14 win over the Buffalo Bills, discuss wide receiver Puka Nacua's explosive game, evaluate the impact of tight end Tyler Higbee's potential return, preview the San Francisco 49ers matchup, and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
All right, welcome to a week fifteen edition of the
Coach McVeigh Schopers any by Microsoft Surface with our special guest,
Less Snead. Thursday Night football is on the horizon, a
trip to Santa Clair to try and sweep the San
Francisco forty nine ers. So Marco far JB. Long, this
is always your favorite week of the season, d far
I know that you got a different look in your eye, Oh.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Niner week, of course, Yeah I was. I've been mad
since the game ended, so let's get to it. But
you know what's funny. I mean, you just beat Buffalo
and you still haven't smiled yet. Less, can just one
one smile? No, not yet, there's one yet? Yeah, I
smile for you. It was interesting you, I think we
as as. This is probably the third time I've been
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on the show. Maybe I don't know the first time.
The second time I do remember it.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Was post Miami I mentioned I mentioned, right, there's it's
a seventeen round somewhat battle fight. We're you know, we're
moving on to what is it? Round fourteen? And then
we got fifteen sixteen seventeen. So this time of year,
beating Buffalo is worthy of a smile. But because it's
(01:09):
Thursday night game, where was Thursday or Sunday? The neat
thing about winning this time of year is right, the
next game becomes even more meaningful based on you putting
yourself in position to right to make a run In December.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Sure seven and six above five hundred for the first
time controlling your own playoff fate. That was a special
game and I appreciate it more of these last twenty
four hours. Did you have a sense when you're watching
it in real time as it unfolded that that was
going to be an instant classic.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
More than likely? Yes. I remember even thinking when we
blocked upon him, like, uh oh, that drive was too short.
However long it took us to block the punt, scoop
and score, I'm like, we were going to need some
and we had a lot of them. Where we had
some five, six, seven, eight minute drives to score of
possession was gonna be important. And also you think about Buffalo.
(02:07):
You get up by fourteen seventeen ten plus, right, they're
gonna probably not run the ball as much. They're gonna
go into we got to score mode and when you're
let's call it snapping the ball to Josh Allen in
score mode, and a lot of times sometimes four down
(02:27):
somewhat four down. You know, each draft could be four
down territory, four down situations. It's a lot of pressure
on your defense.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
So yeah, I had to remind myself to breathe. I mean,
both quarterbacks. I mean, it was a hell of a game.
One of the more exciting games I think I've ever seen,
one of the more exciting games. Since the team has
come back to LA it's been special. But to get
over the hump, to beat a team that everyone thought
was the best team in the NFL, do you think
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that gives this group, your group a lift? I know
you got third, they coming up, but to do that,
to turn the NFL on its ear, do you think
that gives us team?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
It's definitely I think that that based on who they were,
how they were playing, that that you could say that
game right from a mytholical mythological perspective, weighs a little
more than another game because of the magnitude of right
who they are, where there are, and where they are
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in the standings you know, in twenty twenty four, But
again probably mathematically doesn't weigh any more than the other
it's it's it is interesting though, I do think is
we've played a very when you look back on it,
a lot of teams that we have played are winning
a lot of football games or in the playoff hunt.
But I do think when you go down the stretch
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and and you beat a team the caliber of Buffalo,
it can mean a little bit like, okay, we can
play with anyone, right, That's I think Sometimes teams, let's
just say you were playing and you win four straight
or three out of four, but it was teams, you know,
let's call it below five hundred, and then all of
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a sudden you're playing a heavyweight who's above five hundred
leading their division. There might be an element when you
walk into Cell Stadium, Okay, can we can we do
this against this caliber team? But it is interesting since
you know, since we dug ourselves the whole early in
the season, we have played a lot of quality teams
and beaten some. So that was definitely.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah. What about for those of us who love and
follow the Rams just seeing the offense put one of
those games together? Like in terms of where you're trying
to go, we've all been waiting multiple months here for
this team to get healthy, to get the right people
in the right seats. Now that we know that they
still got the juice that can put up forty in
a game, that's got to elevate your hopes and expectations.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
That definitely again there's efficacy there, and a lot of
times I use the word efficacy over confidence in that
when you've if you drill down on it, efficacy always
it's something. It's like riding a bike. You actually rode
the bike. You now know when you get on a bike.
I think DeMarco like you might you might not have
ridden the bike in a long time, but whenever you
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learn how to ride a bike and you did it,
you feel like you can get on that bike today. JB.
I know you ride a bike. I remember the LMU
you're riding the bike to work. Point being when you
get on the bike, you know you can ride it.
So it's not this, it's that that's efficacy. You know
you can do it, and I think that's what you know,
that's what scoring for. You know you now can go
score forty four points.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
When is the last time ride a bike?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah? This month, I can ride a bike. Come on now,
not a station. But look at me, I can't ride
a skateboard, but I can ride a bike.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Though that is true, I cannot ride a skateboard and
I have no efficacy in the I won't.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Get on either. But I like what you had to say.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
And it sometimes gets lost, especially you know, mid season
or whatever, because we're always talking about playoffs, division, the
race or whatever. But to dig yourself out of a
hole to get to five hundred, yeah, then get beyond
five hundred, that's the stuff no one talks about. I
wouldn't say miracle, but a hell of a coaching job,
and what a job circling the wagons to get to
this point in the season.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Definitely, it's and that's what it's interesting. I mentioned to
Sean probably this week, you think about if you call
it the marathon that it is, I called the psychological
toughness that you have to have. And you can think
back we started. We're talking about bikes and LMU and
the Starbucks there on campus at LMU when I ran
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into and you need to ridding your bike to work. But
it's some random Tuesday in August and you're working on something,
some nuance, some situation, and let's say that day went awry,
and Shawn's really really not in a good mood, right,
and you I was joking with him, I said, you
(06:49):
know what, when you get to December and it seems
like August was so long ago, and all the adverts,
all the things you go through, I might do you
even remember why you were mad on that Tuesday?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Right?
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Don't the whole point? It's a lot of months that
are put together, so there there is, there's all that
goes into this whole thing. I forget the question now
that I just answer that's fine.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
You're probably just wondering why is that guy wearing his
helmet in Starbucks where you.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Were in a helmet in Starbars.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
That's gotta be safe, though, Do you believe in the
clutch gen Like when you see Matthew Stafford the way
that he's played in December over the years, over the
course of his career, all these game winning drives, you
think he's got something different.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
I think I do. Think. I usually say it's a
you called it a gene genetics, whatever it is, always
say central nervous system. Some people, right when they get
into a situation where where's their heart rate? How does
that affect? Right? The next the execution of their job.
So I think there's definitely certain people who get to
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a level of the video game and and things get tighter.
We see it in sports all the time, and and
I can say this, you may have you may be
on the right side of that gene. And still you
know what that's called, miss the lay up, miss the
free throw, miss the throw that you're gonna No one's perfect, right,
And again, especially when you're in competition and usually you're
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playing an opponent, and there their entire jobs to disrupt you, right,
their entire jobs to to if you're if you're shooting
the free throw to win the game, and you're playing
in a in a if you're playing an away game,
everybody in the stadium's there to disrupt you. So you
can't have that gene and not be perfect. But I
do think there is an element of being able to
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handle those moments and people people that when you look
at the math and there's a pattern of right making
that shot, making that throw more than not, there's probably
some truth to it.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
It's it's fun watching him and you can be a fan,
but I just it's a level of respect seeing him play.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
He's got that that killer instinct.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
You can tell by his eyes, like you think this
guy's good watch this And I love that because you
can see what happens on the sideline when he makes
a play.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
It just lifts everyone.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
So your quarterback's making plays, it makes you believe you
guys can do anything.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
And I think you have one of them.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
There were there were two teams on the field yesterday,
for sure, and and all fifty three played a part,
but if you went micro right, there were two qbs
that were at the end of the day. It got
to a point, as you said, did you think this
game was going to be some version of a classic?
And it got to a point where, okay, you're whoever
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punts first is going to lose this game, right. It
got to I mean, you you can't afford one punt,
And we ended up punting to in the in the
in the and I call it our second punt was
a strategic right, game winning punt per se. So uh
and and and probably it got that tight right because
we did have the ball and we had to have
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you know, they forced us to make our first punt
really really late in that game and gave them a
shock to come back from let's call it a non
point lead with not a lot of time left on
the game to at least make it a class.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
And Marco, do you remember being in these seats somewhere
in the middle of last year when Puka's doing his
thing and we've already asked you about and we've already
told his draft story. We've all been impressed, and it's like,
what more can we say about this rookie? We ran
out of things. Well, here we are a year later,
and given what he's done in this last sequence of games,
what's your updated perspective?
Speaker 3 (10:19):
The update is if last year was a rookie, that
was probably easier than this year. You're sophomore. Everyone everyone
knows who you are now, and there's opposing right defenses,
defensive coordinators that are trying to disrupt you, keep you
from being Puka. And yesterday was one of those days
where I'm sure Buffalo right, I'm sure there was someone
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on their practice field on their look team wearing number seventeen,
and when seventeen went in motion that the Buffalo defense
everyone was keyed up on seventeen. But again, I think
that's a big reason we started fast, is there was
some plays where it was third down and guess what,
it was just right, kind of a one on one situation.
(11:06):
Everyone playing good. Pokah wins that down right, and oh,
by the way, all of a sudden a new set
of downs leads to leads to seven points instead of
a punt and things like that. So I always say,
more impressive when you're a sophomore. I think it was
that I called the Aaron Donald rule in this interesting
air and you say, Okay, you're good one year. I
(11:26):
want to see you be good your third year, not
your second year. He was more like, look, once they
know you're good, then we'll find out if you're good.
Because now they know you're good. By that, it means
they're going to plan to keep you from being good.
And if you can still be good?
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, what did Mojo say on that toe tap catch?
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Was like Michael Jackson? He he absolutely yeah, you know
how one?
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Do you think? So too?
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Everything? But I didn't think he caught it.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
There's no way he got his feet down, and sure
enough he did, so there is more to him. Do
you think good offenses or football requires a number one guy,
number one receiver? Because I guess what most people say
is now Pooka his Stafford's favorite target, and I'm like,
I'm not so sure. I think that's just the guy
that's open. Do you think an offense require helping guy.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
I'm not sure. Its requirement definitely helps, and and and
again it because you're gonna need at times right to
again when when when things are on schedule, when everyone
does their job, that it's always helpful. And especially games
like that that are really close margin for air, very
very close. It's a two point game. Uh you know
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margin it's a two point game because we had somewhat
of a bad snap, couldn't get the extra point point
being is in those games. It does help when you
have some version of a player step up and make
a number one play. You know that if you want
to call it a number one, number one receiver, I can.
You know. Good offenses distribute the ball, Good offenses attack
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the weaknesses of defenses. Sometimes right that might not be
Let's call it a number one receiver because when you
can't look at this way, you can just be a
number one receiver. And some teams will take the number
one out and say, hey, we're gonna make you drouble
left handed and the other four eligibles that are right
on the other side are going to have to beat you.
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So it can it can be a negative to it,
but does help.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
That's why my level of appreciation for Cooper has only
grown because he's been that guy. He's had that triple
Crown season and you look at the role he's filling
right now in this offense, even to get that kickout
block on that receiver screen. Like we know how receivers
are wired, how they have to be wired to have
the level of success that they do. How many do
you know that can go from Super Bowl MVP to
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what he's doing now willingly capably, Like that's one of
one right there.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Right, I would say, so not many to do it
and to not bat an eye and be good at
just about everything you do.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
You're the GM.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Have you seen more guys like that that can make
that transition from being this guy?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
It's not the easiest transition, but again, at the end
of the day, it's at the end of the day
when you're for the collective right. Usually usually the Warriors
will do what's right for the collective right in some
version of a sacrifice, and that that's that's team sports.
The best teams are going to have individuals making some
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subset of a sacrifice to the for the ecosystem. And again,
and you look at us yesterday, whether whether it was
two to two on the fourth down, whether it was
DeMarcus making a few big plays, and and I know
one of his got called back, but he's been someone
that scored for since. It's when you again, when you
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go into I called it your basketball team. You talked
about a number one receiver. When when when other teams
can take away right your top one or two, but
you can still distribute the ball and make shots. I
think that's when you become a much more tougher collective
to truly defend.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
I keep forgetting how big Kooka is.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Just talk to him right before you came in, and
I did that, Like he's bigger than what you think.
So just imagine what that looks like for a smaller
corner out in the perimeter when he catches it good
or anybody come in the block.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Well, there's element right. You can see the mentality I
call it use your sides to bully, use your sides
to let's call it be punishing when you get yards
after the catch, not just get yards after the catch.
That's that's just different.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Can the Rams layer Tyler Higbee into this thing maybe
as soon as this Thursday night? And what would that
bring to your offense?
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Less?
Speaker 3 (15:45):
You know, I think what we got to do is
figure out where he's at physically, mentally, psychologically. So is
something we're going to discuss. Not there yet in that, okay,
And the interesting about this game right here is where
not going to practice a lot, be a little more
walk through, so we'll I think it's definitely going to
be something that there's what we do know. Here's what
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I do know about Higby. He brings there's something about
his spirit when he's on the field, the way he
competes when he's in the huddle. There there's an element
of chemistry and ignition that he brings, not only in
let's call it a catch and a run or a block,
but there's a there's an element where he ignites people
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in the field. So we're definitely talking through that. It's
getting closer sooner than later.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I love the fact that he's still on the sideline,
he's still involved, even though he's not in uniform. There's
a guy that you can clearly tell wants to get
back on the field.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Yeah, he enjoys the the collective, right, chemical part of
a team. That's not everyone does. He's one of them.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
That slide one question about the defense. When you were
scouting Jared Verse, Did he talk this much in school?
Speaker 3 (16:58):
We did? We did. Yes, he was. He enjoyed if
you want to call it talking smack, right, there was
something that he's world class. He is definitely world class,
my goodness, like everybody. And it works and he's good
and he backs it up with play. That's the thing
that like, he's a good trash talker and he's a
good football player. So that's what he looked like in
college as well. Definitely, And we were intentional. I know
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Sean's been intentional about right. It's called using that element
of your game in a strategic way, right, because it
can be a net negative sometimes, So there's an element of, right,
how do you make that part of your game then positive?
But we were aware of it. Yeah, and we're on
it from the beginning. But if you were at our
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first OTAs right, he was. We weren't in pad yet
and he was. We heard a little smack.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
This is how I know he's good. Jab.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
He gets everyone to react. Everyone he talks to reacts back.
That's how you know you're good at trash talking. Some
people just talking. Whatever he gets in your head. That's
a weapon. I'm glad you said that. That is something
you use against an offense to take them off their game.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
What about as a defense on a short week, coming
off the challenge that they just faced and the numbers
they just gave up. How do they respond? What do
you telegroup like that going to San Francisco?
Speaker 3 (18:17):
That's I think you know what, you probably look at
it like this. They you could say from a defensive
but you got them off the field. First drive, had
the unfortunate penalty, they drove down, scored, but you did
stop them. You kept them from scoring at the end
of a half and you stopped them coming out of half.
Those are two two very big series is because they
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could have they could have scored and scored and taking
the momentum the let's call it the math advantage away.
So what's gonna end up happening is you play Josh
Allen and it got into one of those games that
let's be let's be jack. We got them to call
at least one time out on the last if they
I don't know where they started that drive. If it
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was the thirty, it took sixty nine yards before we
got him the call of timeout. But you know what,
we finally got him the call of timeout, and getting
them the call of time out more than likely that
was probably the winning as much as a winning play
as any play. We still had to recover the own
kick things like that, but that was going to allow
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you basically to do what we did at the end
of the game. If we didn't get them the call
of time out and they stop us right there, we're
punting the ball and they have, however many you know,
forty plus seconds left to go down kick the game
winning field goal.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Outside of that guy and the way he's playing, that
effort probably wins you the foot. You might shut somebody out.
It's not like you were getting blocked. You just couldn't
get the guy in the ground. So there's a lot
of good stuff that happened. He just kind of overcame it.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Be glad he's not on your schedule a lot.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Two questions about Emmanuel Forbes, who the Rains claimed last
week from Washington. One, what is that process like you're
kind of entering a raffle and waiting to see the
next day whether you win it. Right when you put
in a waiver claim, and then going back in time,
what did you like him in the pre draft process
that kind of you looked at that report and said
he's worth taking a second chance on.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
You probably played in the SEC very competitive league. Uh,
touched the ball a lot, obviously had still if you
want to call it, let's call it the positives of
his frame. Very long, lengthy corner. Obviously a lean corner,
but played strong, not heavy, but played strong. I call
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it wirey strong where there's a lot of muscle there.
But in it was really the touching the ball and
the movement skills in a very very tough conference, and
at the end of the day, it was one of
those where, you know what, we really really appreciated the
skill set coming out. Let's make the claim again. You
gotta wait and see if you get him, and and
and then at that point, hey, it's a bonus draft
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pick that we didn't have, and and and now we'll
put in our ecosystem and try to do our part
in developing him to make a contribution along the way.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Are we in the ecosystem right now? That's matrix, But
as far as position goes, it's part of it.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
That's what I thought. We're in the ecosystem right now,
right just making sure.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
When less is in the room.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yes, we're not in okay, But acclimating a corner to
your defense is a lot different than acclimating a quarterback
to an offense. Is that fair? It's easier to get
a corner on the field that it is the other
side of the ball. Yes, so at some point we
may actually get the same. I'm of the opinion that
you can never have enough good corners.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Is that fair?
Speaker 3 (21:39):
That is very fair.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
I feel like you're asking is he going to impact
winning this season or is he a dart for next season?
Speaker 3 (21:46):
I think I think we to answer that if you
if we were healthy from here on out, maybe he
is a dart for next year. But as you said,
you can never have enough corners because there is attrition
that does occur. So I think I think it's in
and because of he's experienced, he's been in the NFL,
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it'll be a little easier to onboard him, acclimate him,
and I wouldn't be surprised if if because of the
attrition that there is a there is a time when
he's on the field.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
N Yeah makes sense.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah, I mean a guy with that much ability, Uh,
at some point he'll probably find his way to the
field because that could help you no matter what you have.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Yeah, to put it in perspective in that, I mean
we've had uh you know cam Lampton and who's on
our practice squad right now from CFA from Washington State.
He's been active right and on the field for us
to show it's it's not it's not a far reach
to say, hey, he might get on the field, because
there's a lot of corners that do get on the field.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah. How do you feel about forty nine a week?
Does it land any differently on the general manager?
Speaker 3 (22:56):
You know what this stuff? You you realize it's a
it's a rivalry, So you feel similar to to Marco there,
I mean the DeMarco there's a you know it. You're
well aware that there is a rivalry that you know
date back a while. And it's a division game. So
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if we get into math and you play them twice
in division games, weigh a lot in records in division
means something when you have tie breakers and things like that.
So all those things. Yet the answer is yes, this
is this is a different game, same game, but different
based on all those variables.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
It's the next one on the schedule. It just has
a lot involved. The stakes are higher, and it happens
to be them. So two birds, one stone, you know
what I mean. So, but the short week, but they're
coming off a short week, and it's just one of
those weird things like postgame, you see the guys you're you're,
and I noticed you in the in the locker room
after and I told JB, you'd never know they won
(23:58):
because it seems so calm, as if they either knew
they were going to win or they're just getting ready
for Thursday. It's just one of those weird things going
from Sunday to third.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
I think it's all of those things plus the magnitude
or the way that game played out. I think it
was just like, Okay, that ended and we have more
points than them.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
But is that what I'm picking up?
Speaker 3 (24:20):
But there was an element, and I think Sean did
a nice job in his in his postgame monologue if
you want to call it that, Okay, hey, that right.
That game was special. But Oh, by the way, it's
we have a Thursday game. So that's why the that's
why the therapists were in this room, and they were going
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to help the players begin recovering. So there was no
time for if you want to call it a baseball
you know, popping the champagne. So there was probably two
full But I do think in that type of game
there is an element of emotional exhaustion that goes into.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
It, and there's no victory Monday when there's Thursday football.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Get ready again yep, and it's them, yep.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Where'd you come down on the college football stuff? Texas?
What land of the five seed? Im home to Clemson
first round?
Speaker 3 (25:11):
I know they got a home game that comes in.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I don't think that a SEC championship game.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
You know what it's it seemed SEC championship ESQ right,
heavyweight fight that goes to that goes to overtime, right too.
I say this, it's it's hard to score in that
league sometimes in those games, and it was one of
those you just had similar to our game but different.
Somewhere along the way in that game you knew that, Okay,
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this thing is gonna come down, come down to the end.
And there's gonna be some bounces of the ball or
some plays made that end up tilting it one way
or the other. But definitely heavyweight fight.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
I just like it that an old PAC twelve team
is sit at the top right now.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
So.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
There's no way there's it's gonna clan or a game.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I'm claiming conference, I'm not claiming school. I'm just saying,
that was the weirdest thing I've ever seen you do.
I can't believe you've pulled it.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
You dub is out come on Yeah too much.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
You dubble was in it last year though.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
We were you were there. Yes, I'll never forgive Blake
Corn for that though.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
That's okay though, So you're reading so you're rooting for
Oregon to win the.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
N the old PAC twelve team, and that's as far
as I'm rooting for them too. That's shocking. That's weird
to see them and the A State is in the
mix and you can't call them PAC twelve anymore.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
That just it still doesn't compute with me. Yeah, I
didn't say it though.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Stop What was it about the PAC twelve that couldn't
quite get there?
Speaker 2 (26:38):
We're not going ten, they don't have enough time so
you're out of the ecosystem now.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Thanks for stopping by last yes on a short week.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Good to see you.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Appreciate your insight for lest Nee, for the Marco far
I'm JB.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Long.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
The Coach and Fay Show, always presented by Microsoft Surface
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Eight
All right, welcome to a week fifteen edition of the
Coach McVeigh Schopers any by Microsoft Surface with our special guest,
Less Snead. Thursday Night football is on the horizon, a
trip to Santa Clair to try and sweep the San
Francisco forty nine ers. So Marco far JB. Long, this
is always your favorite week of the season, d far
I know that you got a different look in your eye, Oh.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Niner week, of course, Yeah I was. I've been mad
since the game ended, so let's get to it. But
you know what's funny. I mean, you just beat Buffalo
and you still haven't smiled yet. Less, can just one
one smile? No, not yet, there's one yet? Yeah, I
smile for you. It was interesting you, I think we
as as. This is probably the third time I've been
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on the show. Maybe I don't know the first time.
The second time I do remember it.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Was post Miami I mentioned I mentioned, right, there's it's
a seventeen round somewhat battle fight. We're you know, we're
moving on to what is it? Round fourteen? And then
we got fifteen sixteen seventeen. So this time of year,
beating Buffalo is worthy of a smile. But because it's
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Thursday night game, where was Thursday or Sunday? The neat
thing about winning this time of year is right, the
next game becomes even more meaningful based on you putting
yourself in position to right to make a run In December.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Sure seven and six above five hundred for the first
time controlling your own playoff fate. That was a special
game and I appreciate it more of these last twenty
four hours. Did you have a sense when you're watching
it in real time as it unfolded that that was
going to be an instant classic.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
More than likely? Yes. I remember even thinking when we
blocked upon him, like, uh oh, that drive was too short.
However long it took us to block the punt, scoop
and score, I'm like, we were going to need some
and we had a lot of them. Where we had
some five, six, seven, eight minute drives to score of
possession was gonna be important. And also you think about Buffalo.
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You get up by fourteen seventeen ten plus, right, they're
gonna probably not run the ball as much. They're gonna
go into we got to score mode and when you're
let's call it snapping the ball to Josh Allen in
score mode, and a lot of times sometimes four down
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somewhat four down. You know, each draft could be four
down territory, four down situations. It's a lot of pressure
on your defense.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
So yeah, I had to remind myself to breathe. I mean,
both quarterbacks. I mean, it was a hell of a game.
One of the more exciting games I think I've ever seen,
one of the more exciting games. Since the team has
come back to LA it's been special. But to get
over the hump, to beat a team that everyone thought
was the best team in the NFL, do you think
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that gives this group, your group a lift? I know
you got third, they coming up, but to do that,
to turn the NFL on its ear, do you think
that gives us team?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
It's definitely I think that that based on who they were,
how they were playing, that that you could say that
game right from a mytholical mythological perspective, weighs a little
more than another game because of the magnitude of right
who they are, where there are, and where they are
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in the standings you know, in twenty twenty four, But
again probably mathematically doesn't weigh any more than the other
it's it's it is interesting though, I do think is
we've played a very when you look back on it,
a lot of teams that we have played are winning
a lot of football games or in the playoff hunt.
But I do think when you go down the stretch
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and and you beat a team the caliber of Buffalo,
it can mean a little bit like, okay, we can
play with anyone, right, That's I think Sometimes teams, let's
just say you were playing and you win four straight
or three out of four, but it was teams, you know,
let's call it below five hundred, and then all of
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a sudden you're playing a heavyweight who's above five hundred
leading their division. There might be an element when you
walk into Cell Stadium, Okay, can we can we do
this against this caliber team? But it is interesting since
you know, since we dug ourselves the whole early in
the season, we have played a lot of quality teams
and beaten some. So that was definitely.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah. What about for those of us who love and
follow the Rams just seeing the offense put one of
those games together? Like in terms of where you're trying
to go, we've all been waiting multiple months here for
this team to get healthy, to get the right people
in the right seats. Now that we know that they
still got the juice that can put up forty in
a game, that's got to elevate your hopes and expectations.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
That definitely again there's efficacy there, and a lot of
times I use the word efficacy over confidence in that
when you've if you drill down on it, efficacy always
it's something. It's like riding a bike. You actually rode
the bike. You now know when you get on a bike.
I think DeMarco like you might you might not have
ridden the bike in a long time, but whenever you
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learn how to ride a bike and you did it,
you feel like you can get on that bike today. JB.
I know you ride a bike. I remember the LMU
you're riding the bike to work. Point being when you
get on the bike, you know you can ride it.
So it's not this, it's that that's efficacy. You know
you can do it, and I think that's what you know,
that's what scoring for. You know you now can go
score forty four points.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
When is the last time ride a bike?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah? This month, I can ride a bike. Come on now,
not a station. But look at me, I can't ride
a skateboard, but I can ride a bike.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Though that is true, I cannot ride a skateboard and
I have no efficacy in the I won't.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Get on either. But I like what you had to say.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
And it sometimes gets lost, especially you know, mid season
or whatever, because we're always talking about playoffs, division, the
race or whatever. But to dig yourself out of a
hole to get to five hundred, yeah, then get beyond
five hundred, that's the stuff no one talks about. I
wouldn't say miracle, but a hell of a coaching job,
and what a job circling the wagons to get to
this point in the season.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Definitely, it's and that's what it's interesting. I mentioned to
Sean probably this week, you think about if you call
it the marathon that it is, I called the psychological
toughness that you have to have. And you can think
back we started. We're talking about bikes and LMU and
the Starbucks there on campus at LMU when I ran
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into and you need to ridding your bike to work. But
it's some random Tuesday in August and you're working on something,
some nuance, some situation, and let's say that day went awry,
and Shawn's really really not in a good mood, right,
and you I was joking with him, I said, you
(06:49):
know what, when you get to December and it seems
like August was so long ago, and all the adverts,
all the things you go through, I might do you
even remember why you were mad on that Tuesday?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Right?
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Don't the whole point? It's a lot of months that
are put together, so there there is, there's all that
goes into this whole thing. I forget the question now
that I just answer that's fine.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
You're probably just wondering why is that guy wearing his
helmet in Starbucks where you.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Were in a helmet in Starbars.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
That's gotta be safe, though, Do you believe in the
clutch gen Like when you see Matthew Stafford the way
that he's played in December over the years, over the
course of his career, all these game winning drives, you
think he's got something different.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
I think I do. Think. I usually say it's a
you called it a gene genetics, whatever it is, always
say central nervous system. Some people, right when they get
into a situation where where's their heart rate? How does
that affect? Right? The next the execution of their job.
So I think there's definitely certain people who get to
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a level of the video game and and things get tighter.
We see it in sports all the time, and and
I can say this, you may have you may be
on the right side of that gene. And still you
know what that's called, miss the lay up, miss the
free throw, miss the throw that you're gonna No one's perfect, right,
And again, especially when you're in competition and usually you're
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playing an opponent, and there their entire jobs to disrupt you, right,
their entire jobs to to if you're if you're shooting
the free throw to win the game, and you're playing
in a in a if you're playing an away game,
everybody in the stadium's there to disrupt you. So you
can't have that gene and not be perfect. But I
do think there is an element of being able to
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handle those moments and people people that when you look
at the math and there's a pattern of right making
that shot, making that throw more than not, there's probably
some truth to it.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
It's it's fun watching him and you can be a fan,
but I just it's a level of respect seeing him play.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
He's got that that killer instinct.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
You can tell by his eyes, like you think this
guy's good watch this And I love that because you
can see what happens on the sideline when he makes
a play.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
It just lifts everyone.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
So your quarterback's making plays, it makes you believe you
guys can do anything.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
And I think you have one of them.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
There were there were two teams on the field yesterday,
for sure, and and all fifty three played a part,
but if you went micro right, there were two qbs
that were at the end of the day. It got
to a point, as you said, did you think this
game was going to be some version of a classic?
And it got to a point where, okay, you're whoever
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punts first is going to lose this game, right. It
got to I mean, you you can't afford one punt,
And we ended up punting to in the in the
in the and I call it our second punt was
a strategic right, game winning punt per se. So uh
and and and probably it got that tight right because
we did have the ball and we had to have
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you know, they forced us to make our first punt
really really late in that game and gave them a
shock to come back from let's call it a non
point lead with not a lot of time left on
the game to at least make it a class.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
And Marco, do you remember being in these seats somewhere
in the middle of last year when Puka's doing his
thing and we've already asked you about and we've already
told his draft story. We've all been impressed, and it's like,
what more can we say about this rookie? We ran
out of things. Well, here we are a year later,
and given what he's done in this last sequence of games,
what's your updated perspective?
Speaker 3 (10:19):
The update is if last year was a rookie, that
was probably easier than this year. You're sophomore. Everyone everyone
knows who you are now, and there's opposing right defenses,
defensive coordinators that are trying to disrupt you, keep you
from being Puka. And yesterday was one of those days
where I'm sure Buffalo right, I'm sure there was someone
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on their practice field on their look team wearing number seventeen,
and when seventeen went in motion that the Buffalo defense
everyone was keyed up on seventeen. But again, I think
that's a big reason we started fast, is there was
some plays where it was third down and guess what,
it was just right, kind of a one on one situation.
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Everyone playing good. Pokah wins that down right, and oh,
by the way, all of a sudden a new set
of downs leads to leads to seven points instead of
a punt and things like that. So I always say,
more impressive when you're a sophomore. I think it was
that I called the Aaron Donald rule in this interesting
air and you say, Okay, you're good one year. I
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want to see you be good your third year, not
your second year. He was more like, look, once they
know you're good, then we'll find out if you're good.
Because now they know you're good. By that, it means
they're going to plan to keep you from being good.
And if you can still be good?
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, what did Mojo say on that toe tap catch?
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Was like Michael Jackson? He he absolutely yeah, you know
how one?
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Do you think? So too?
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Everything? But I didn't think he caught it.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
There's no way he got his feet down, and sure
enough he did, so there is more to him. Do
you think good offenses or football requires a number one guy,
number one receiver? Because I guess what most people say
is now Pooka his Stafford's favorite target, and I'm like,
I'm not so sure. I think that's just the guy
that's open. Do you think an offense require helping guy.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
I'm not sure. Its requirement definitely helps, and and and
again it because you're gonna need at times right to
again when when when things are on schedule, when everyone
does their job, that it's always helpful. And especially games
like that that are really close margin for air, very
very close. It's a two point game. Uh you know
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margin it's a two point game because we had somewhat
of a bad snap, couldn't get the extra point point
being is in those games. It does help when you
have some version of a player step up and make
a number one play. You know that if you want
to call it a number one, number one receiver, I can.
You know. Good offenses distribute the ball, Good offenses attack
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the weaknesses of defenses. Sometimes right that might not be
Let's call it a number one receiver because when you
can't look at this way, you can just be a
number one receiver. And some teams will take the number
one out and say, hey, we're gonna make you drouble
left handed and the other four eligibles that are right
on the other side are going to have to beat you.
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So it can it can be a negative to it,
but does help.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
That's why my level of appreciation for Cooper has only
grown because he's been that guy. He's had that triple
Crown season and you look at the role he's filling
right now in this offense, even to get that kickout
block on that receiver screen. Like we know how receivers
are wired, how they have to be wired to have
the level of success that they do. How many do
you know that can go from Super Bowl MVP to
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what he's doing now willingly capably, Like that's one of
one right there.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Right, I would say, so not many to do it
and to not bat an eye and be good at
just about everything you do.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
You're the GM.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Have you seen more guys like that that can make
that transition from being this guy?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
It's not the easiest transition, but again, at the end
of the day, it's at the end of the day
when you're for the collective right. Usually usually the Warriors
will do what's right for the collective right in some
version of a sacrifice, and that that's that's team sports.
The best teams are going to have individuals making some
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subset of a sacrifice to the for the ecosystem. And again,
and you look at us yesterday, whether whether it was
two to two on the fourth down, whether it was
DeMarcus making a few big plays, and and I know
one of his got called back, but he's been someone
that scored for since. It's when you again, when you
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go into I called it your basketball team. You talked
about a number one receiver. When when when other teams
can take away right your top one or two, but
you can still distribute the ball and make shots. I
think that's when you become a much more tougher collective
to truly defend.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
I keep forgetting how big Kooka is.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Just talk to him right before you came in, and
I did that, Like he's bigger than what you think.
So just imagine what that looks like for a smaller
corner out in the perimeter when he catches it good
or anybody come in the block.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Well, there's element right. You can see the mentality I
call it use your sides to bully, use your sides
to let's call it be punishing when you get yards
after the catch, not just get yards after the catch.
That's that's just different.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Can the Rams layer Tyler Higbee into this thing maybe
as soon as this Thursday night? And what would that
bring to your offense?
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Less?
Speaker 3 (15:45):
You know, I think what we got to do is
figure out where he's at physically, mentally, psychologically. So is
something we're going to discuss. Not there yet in that, okay,
And the interesting about this game right here is where
not going to practice a lot, be a little more
walk through, so we'll I think it's definitely going to
be something that there's what we do know. Here's what
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I do know about Higby. He brings there's something about
his spirit when he's on the field, the way he
competes when he's in the huddle. There there's an element
of chemistry and ignition that he brings, not only in
let's call it a catch and a run or a block,
but there's a there's an element where he ignites people
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in the field. So we're definitely talking through that. It's
getting closer sooner than later.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I love the fact that he's still on the sideline,
he's still involved, even though he's not in uniform. There's
a guy that you can clearly tell wants to get
back on the field.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Yeah, he enjoys the the collective, right, chemical part of
a team. That's not everyone does. He's one of them.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
That slide one question about the defense. When you were
scouting Jared Verse, Did he talk this much in school?
Speaker 3 (16:58):
We did? We did. Yes, he was. He enjoyed if
you want to call it talking smack, right, there was
something that he's world class. He is definitely world class,
my goodness, like everybody. And it works and he's good
and he backs it up with play. That's the thing
that like, he's a good trash talker and he's a
good football player. So that's what he looked like in
college as well. Definitely, And we were intentional. I know
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Sean's been intentional about right. It's called using that element
of your game in a strategic way, right, because it
can be a net negative sometimes, So there's an element of, right,
how do you make that part of your game then positive?
But we were aware of it. Yeah, and we're on
it from the beginning. But if you were at our
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first OTAs right, he was. We weren't in pad yet
and he was. We heard a little smack.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
This is how I know he's good. Jab.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
He gets everyone to react. Everyone he talks to reacts back.
That's how you know you're good at trash talking. Some
people just talking. Whatever he gets in your head. That's
a weapon. I'm glad you said that. That is something
you use against an offense to take them off their game.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
What about as a defense on a short week, coming
off the challenge that they just faced and the numbers
they just gave up. How do they respond? What do
you telegroup like that going to San Francisco?
Speaker 3 (18:17):
That's I think you know what, you probably look at
it like this. They you could say from a defensive
but you got them off the field. First drive, had
the unfortunate penalty, they drove down, scored, but you did
stop them. You kept them from scoring at the end
of a half and you stopped them coming out of half.
Those are two two very big series is because they
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could have they could have scored and scored and taking
the momentum the let's call it the math advantage away.
So what's gonna end up happening is you play Josh
Allen and it got into one of those games that
let's be let's be jack. We got them to call
at least one time out on the last if they
I don't know where they started that drive. If it
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was the thirty, it took sixty nine yards before we
got him the call of timeout. But you know what,
we finally got him the call of timeout, and getting
them the call of time out more than likely that
was probably the winning as much as a winning play
as any play. We still had to recover the own
kick things like that, but that was going to allow
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you basically to do what we did at the end
of the game. If we didn't get them the call
of time out and they stop us right there, we're
punting the ball and they have, however many you know,
forty plus seconds left to go down kick the game
winning field goal.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Outside of that guy and the way he's playing, that
effort probably wins you the foot. You might shut somebody out.
It's not like you were getting blocked. You just couldn't
get the guy in the ground. So there's a lot
of good stuff that happened. He just kind of overcame it.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Be glad he's not on your schedule a lot.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Two questions about Emmanuel Forbes, who the Rains claimed last
week from Washington. One, what is that process like you're
kind of entering a raffle and waiting to see the
next day whether you win it. Right when you put
in a waiver claim, and then going back in time,
what did you like him in the pre draft process
that kind of you looked at that report and said
he's worth taking a second chance on.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
You probably played in the SEC very competitive league. Uh,
touched the ball a lot, obviously had still if you
want to call it, let's call it the positives of
his frame. Very long, lengthy corner. Obviously a lean corner,
but played strong, not heavy, but played strong. I call
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it wirey strong where there's a lot of muscle there.
But in it was really the touching the ball and
the movement skills in a very very tough conference, and
at the end of the day, it was one of
those where, you know what, we really really appreciated the
skill set coming out. Let's make the claim again. You
gotta wait and see if you get him, and and
and then at that point, hey, it's a bonus draft
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pick that we didn't have, and and and now we'll
put in our ecosystem and try to do our part
in developing him to make a contribution along the way.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Are we in the ecosystem right now? That's matrix, But
as far as position goes, it's part of it.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
That's what I thought. We're in the ecosystem right now,
right just making sure.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
When less is in the room.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yes, we're not in okay, But acclimating a corner to
your defense is a lot different than acclimating a quarterback
to an offense. Is that fair? It's easier to get
a corner on the field that it is the other
side of the ball. Yes, so at some point we
may actually get the same. I'm of the opinion that
you can never have enough good corners.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Is that fair?
Speaker 3 (21:39):
That is very fair.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
I feel like you're asking is he going to impact
winning this season or is he a dart for next season?
Speaker 3 (21:46):
I think I think we to answer that if you
if we were healthy from here on out, maybe he
is a dart for next year. But as you said,
you can never have enough corners because there is attrition
that does occur. So I think I think it's in
and because of he's experienced, he's been in the NFL,
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it'll be a little easier to onboard him, acclimate him,
and I wouldn't be surprised if if because of the
attrition that there is a there is a time when
he's on the field.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
N Yeah makes sense.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah, I mean a guy with that much ability, Uh,
at some point he'll probably find his way to the
field because that could help you no matter what you have.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Yeah, to put it in perspective in that, I mean
we've had uh you know cam Lampton and who's on
our practice squad right now from CFA from Washington State.
He's been active right and on the field for us
to show it's it's not it's not a far reach
to say, hey, he might get on the field, because
there's a lot of corners that do get on the field.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah. How do you feel about forty nine a week?
Does it land any differently on the general manager?
Speaker 3 (22:56):
You know what this stuff? You you realize it's a
it's a rivalry, So you feel similar to to Marco there,
I mean the DeMarco there's a you know it. You're
well aware that there is a rivalry that you know
date back a while. And it's a division game. So
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if we get into math and you play them twice
in division games, weigh a lot in records in division
means something when you have tie breakers and things like that.
So all those things. Yet the answer is yes, this
is this is a different game, same game, but different
based on all those variables.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
It's the next one on the schedule. It just has
a lot involved. The stakes are higher, and it happens
to be them. So two birds, one stone, you know
what I mean. So, but the short week, but they're
coming off a short week, and it's just one of
those weird things like postgame, you see the guys you're you're,
and I noticed you in the in the locker room
after and I told JB, you'd never know they won
(23:58):
because it seems so calm, as if they either knew
they were going to win or they're just getting ready
for Thursday. It's just one of those weird things going
from Sunday to third.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
I think it's all of those things plus the magnitude
or the way that game played out. I think it
was just like, Okay, that ended and we have more
points than them.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
But is that what I'm picking up?
Speaker 3 (24:20):
But there was an element, and I think Sean did
a nice job in his in his postgame monologue if
you want to call it that, Okay, hey, that right.
That game was special. But Oh, by the way, it's
we have a Thursday game. So that's why the that's
why the therapists were in this room, and they were going
(24:42):
to help the players begin recovering. So there was no
time for if you want to call it a baseball
you know, popping the champagne. So there was probably two
full But I do think in that type of game
there is an element of emotional exhaustion that goes into.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
It, and there's no victory Monday when there's Thursday football.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Get ready again yep, and it's them, yep.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Where'd you come down on the college football stuff? Texas?
What land of the five seed? Im home to Clemson
first round?
Speaker 3 (25:11):
I know they got a home game that comes in.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I don't think that a SEC championship game.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
You know what it's it seemed SEC championship ESQ right,
heavyweight fight that goes to that goes to overtime, right too.
I say this, it's it's hard to score in that
league sometimes in those games, and it was one of
those you just had similar to our game but different.
Somewhere along the way in that game you knew that, Okay,
(25:37):
this thing is gonna come down, come down to the end.
And there's gonna be some bounces of the ball or
some plays made that end up tilting it one way
or the other. But definitely heavyweight fight.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
I just like it that an old PAC twelve team
is sit at the top right now.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
So.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
There's no way there's it's gonna clan or a game.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I'm claiming conference, I'm not claiming school. I'm just saying,
that was the weirdest thing I've ever seen you do.
I can't believe you've pulled it.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
You dub is out come on Yeah too much.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
You dubble was in it last year though.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
We were you were there. Yes, I'll never forgive Blake
Corn for that though.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
That's okay though, So you're reading so you're rooting for
Oregon to win the.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
N the old PAC twelve team, and that's as far
as I'm rooting for them too. That's shocking. That's weird
to see them and the A State is in the
mix and you can't call them PAC twelve anymore.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
That just it still doesn't compute with me. Yeah, I
didn't say it though.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Stop What was it about the PAC twelve that couldn't
quite get there?
Speaker 2 (26:38):
We're not going ten, they don't have enough time so
you're out of the ecosystem now.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Thanks for stopping by last yes on a short week.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Good to see you.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Appreciate your insight for lest Nee, for the Marco far
I'm JB.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Long.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
The Coach and Fay Show, always presented by Microsoft Surface
Speaker 3 (27:00):
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