November 27, 2024 • 42 mins
On the latest NFL Players: Second Acts podcast, former Baltimore Ravens All-Pro running back Jamal Lewis joins Peanut and Roman. Jamal talks about rushing for over 2,000 yards in 2003 and why getting benched in a week 16 blowout potentially cost him the all-time single season rushing record. He discusses how Ray Lewis gave him his welcome to the NFL moment during a practice, and what he’s seen from Derrick Henry this season. Jamal also explains how he became an entrepreneur, how he runs his business Southeast Exhibits, which builds trade show exhibits, and how he dealt with depression in retirement.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Jamal Lewis, Baltimore Ravens two thousand and two
thousand and nine. You can follow me Jamal thirty one
Lewis on Instagram and on X. This is the NFL
Player's Second X podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Thank you for tuning in to the NFL Player Second
Act Podcast. I'm Peanut Tillman. This is my guy, Roman
s Sec Harper.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
At least you switched it up from Ribot today. So
thank you all of our listeners and viewers out there.
Right here we are here in the Atlanta iHeartRadio studios
in the heart of it so right here in midtown.
So that's really great space. One of the best setups
we've had. You know, tell us who our special guest
is next. This is a good one. Is great, I'm sorry,
(00:48):
great one is a great one. All pro running back
ran more than ten thousand yards in ten years. I
don't even dry that far. I don't even dry as
far as far as that in my I don't know.
Just too much math for me. He's one of eight
running backs in the NFL to rush for more than
two thousand yards. Uh, Super Bowl champion, successful businessman and
(01:14):
in the retail design logistics and other ventures. Ladies and gentlemen,
please welcome to the show. Mister Jamal Lewis.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
That was great. That was great. That was great. Two
thousand yards Yeah, that's awsome.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
The only thing that I think is crazy that we
learned about you, U jamal Is when we started looking
at was that that was the only year you went
to a Pro Bowl. It was all pro like, that
was it?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
But you had a thousand yards every year?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, it was tough, man, It was tough
in theF nor Man Eddie George, Yeah, Eddie George, you
had not you had Bettists. Yeah, you had uh the
dad at the Jets, Curtis Martin Martin, you had Cord Dylon. Yeah,
you know, so it was always I was just competing
(02:01):
every year and I'm like, Manu, it short fell short
again this year, but look who you fell short behind? Like,
you know, it was just that type of you know,
running backs.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
It was scarce, you know, And that was when like
the Pro Bowl like meant something to the players.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, went got mad. You got mad. You didn't. He
thought you were supposed to make it.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
So it was one year that you thought you should
have went and you didn't make it because that happened
to me a couple of times when I looked at
my stats compared to other players, and I'm like, yo,
I got more picks, I got more touchdowns, I got
more fumbles or forced fumbles. But this particular player had
been twice before, so they kind of went off like
the popularity.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
The numbers don't lie, you know what I mean, I
didn't have the numbers, But at the same time, it's
not like I had a whole bunch of help at
the quarterback position either, So therefore, you know, it was
like you took what you got. I was, you know,
I got over a thousand yards, which was great, but
at the same time, you know, the other guys was
probably at twelve hundred and thirteen hundred, you know, or
(03:02):
more shoot fifteen sixteen hundred, you know. Yeah, so you
kind of had that that was just battling with.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
You're on a few running backs that didn't wear gloves. Yeah,
what's up with that? Like, what's up? Like, I know
you're ball tight, but to me, that always stood out
about Jamal Lewis. This guy never had gloves on, and
it'd be cold as hell on TV when I was young.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
When I was young playing here in Atlanta, we played
at Lakewood Stadium and it was like astro turf, you know,
so you know, I always my mom always would have
brought me sleeves and gloves and wristbands and all this stuff.
And when I would get it, by the time you know,
halftime came, I done took all that off. So I
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was like, I just never used it. I didn't know.
I didn't want anything between my hands and the ball.
So that's kind of where that went. I might have
had a few fumbles in there, too, so I was like,
forget that. I was blamed it on the gloves. But
I do remember John and Ogden one year, and this
was probably after my third or fourth year in the league,
(04:03):
and he was like, hey, why did you wear gloves?
And I was like, Cuz I just don't like him.
He said, well, you know they've changed, you know, a
lot more staff have a few fumbles to me, so
he was trying to hit something. But when I started
wearing gloves, my fumbles just went down drastically, Like, you know,
I might have had one fumble in a year, you
(04:24):
know what I mean, versus of three or four, you know.
But it just drastically went down. And then I started
wearing gloves rest of my career. But that's why I
did it earlier. Okay, okay, because you did wear them
in college.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
No, I didn't early on you did no swags.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Oh man, My kids, my kids right now, they look
at you, they're like, man, you look wrecked. Like I'm like,
I thought I was started, you know, but look I
was trying to go out there and you know, make
an impact. You know that's funny. Something look crazy. No sleeves.
You know what I'm saying, jash, you like, just see
them the guys.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Honestly, that's why I took my sweatshirt off, because the
guys that don't wear.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
No sleeves, they'd be out there ask you with no gloves.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I'm like, don't care about life, you know what I mean.
That says a lot to do about that person who
never said one word he about business.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah, don't care about nothing, just crazy about it.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
He don't care about So when you went into that
locker room, so I know, I get drafted. I come
in the locker room. You know, I got olen crews,
I got the Mike Brown's, I got the brown earl
Loackers and you coming straight out of college, it's it's
a little intimidating, right, So how was it when you
got drafted and you went to Baltimore when you stepped
into that veteran locker room with all those players.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
So the only person that I really knew was with
Shannon Shark okay, and I used to train with Shannon
in the off season when I used to come home
from college for like two weeks, I would go train
with Shannon, so I kind of knew him, yeah, on
that team. But I never really watched like football. I
never really followed football, So I didn't.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Know ray Lewis when you were in college, you when
you weren't playing, you didn't watch it.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
No, I never watched it, but I hear I would
listen to people talk, you know, so I kind of
my boys would talk about Rod Woodson and ray Lewis
and all this type of Stuffespecially when I got drafted
there They're like, oh, man, You're going to play with
all these dudes, And I'm like, don't know who they are,
but you know, when you get there, you know you
in you in a pack of lions up there. You
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know what I'm saying. There's a bunch of leaders and
just how Ozzie knew some structured that team from a
standpoint of experience to youth, you know what I'm saying.
And uh, the guys that were there, they was just
you know, you had Rod Woodson, Sarah Goosa, Rod Burnett, McCreary,
you know, yeah, yeah, Peter Ball where that was defensive
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side offence. You had, you know, Jonathan Ogden, had Shannon
the quarterback was it, yes, Del for Tony Banks of course,
But at the same time, you had a lot of
guys there with a lot of experience, you know, that
you could feed off of. And me as a rookie,
I just jumped in and and I didn't know, you know,
(07:15):
just how soon I was going to play or start
or whatever, but I knew it was expected. But at
the same time, I just went up under Ray and
we started hanging out and Shannon and and we just
you know, we just became a little click. And uh,
you just learned a lot from those guys and how
they move and and everything else. And I think that
dynamic is what Ozzie and the organization is really trying
(07:37):
to put together. Knowing that you had you was trying
to build a squad. You know, we had just opened
what ninety six, so that was two thousand when I
got there, So uh uh, it was it was it
was structured that way, and it was uh, it was
impactful going through the season and learning even learning who
these guys were and and you know that they was
great players, and I think that's what resulted in a
(07:59):
Super Bowl up and downs.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
So tell me this, what was it like going again
at practice going against that defense? You mentioned a couple
of them, Sam Adams, Sarah Guci McQuary, Robertnette, ray Lewis,
Jamie Sharper, Dwayne Starts, Chris mccowster, all these great corners,
Rod Woodson, Kim Herring Like, how what was that going
(08:21):
against those guys because you guys hit two back then. Yeah,
it was not like yeah, we're now off, you know.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Coach. Yeah, Coach came in and he was like, you know,
you knew it was because everybody, even right you come
in to the locker room, they're like, oh, oh oh,
live bullets, live hoods today. I'm like, okay, So coach said,
you know we're going live you know, gold line, certain
areas what definitely go But I can remember one particular
time we had. It was it was goal line and
(08:51):
coaches I think priest that just went and then coach
was like all right, big back, like your your turn.
So I went in and I got huddle and we
was like, you know, the one yard line, and I
remember they called the play of course, go lines, just
just drop step and hit it. So I dropstep hit it.
And when I got to the line, you know, things
(09:13):
opened up and I got there and all of a sudden,
like wow, somebody met me in the hole. They were
fifty two. So I so I was like, okay, you know,
we didn't get it. So I went back to the huddle.
They called the same play, so I said, okay, they're
trying to see what we got. You know what I
got at least. So he called the same play, same
(09:33):
sad thing happened the one yard line and I hit
it and it just and next thing, you know, fifty
two just filled it. So we get back to the
huddle and I'm like, you know, I say, who got
who got fifty two? And it was like it was
like nobody, that's ray Lewis. I was like, damn, okay,
all right, that's what it's gonna be let's do it.
(09:54):
But I went back, same play three times, same thing happened,
never crossed the line, and I knew what I knew
what they were in and they knew what I was.
And that's what I got my respect. And it was like,
you know, you kind of knew who the guys were
over there, you know, and what that defense was really about.
And uh, it set the stage was that that was, yeah,
(10:15):
you're welcome to the NFL.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
That was three times in a row.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Who who got fifty two last? So that's when I realized.
I said, Okay, I see what, I see what's up.
But guess what. There was a lot of times we're
playing games down the road and coach you say, look,
we're gonna have eight men in the box and one
of them gonna be yours. So you know, you gotta,
(10:44):
you know, you gotta take it, take it as it comes.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
So I know my uh, everyone the NFL, they're infamous
for for rookie nights, right, I know, my rookie night.
We had to pay for dinner, pay for some limos,
and some some some evening activities when we went out.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Uh, like you clean that up? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yeah, I know there was an incident with you and
you had to pay for some limbos for the for
the team. Talk talk about that, Well, what was that experience?
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Well, I did well, Well, it wasn't even the team.
It was just Ray shinning and uh Corey at the
time and uh Rod okay, because we would all go out. Yeah,
but it was like Thursday, Friday, you know, you come
back after you know, Saturday, ain't doing nothing. Sunday after
(11:31):
the game, you might do something. It might just be
me and Ray going to d C or whatever. But
you know, you're getting a limo three four times a week,
you know what I'm saying, And at the end of
the day, I'm the one getting dropped off, you know.
So it just became a pattern. And the dude that
was the limo guy, you know that I used, you know,
(11:53):
he was just you know, getting me the bill and
I'll be like here you go, you know, like fifteen
hundred fifty one hundred, fifteen hundred pop. Because we're going
all day, you know what I mean, We're going all day.
So it's like and I'm like, damn, how do I
always end up? So I started thinking about Okay, So
but but at the same time. Now I'm paying for
limos with these guys. And then I got to bring doughnuts, uh,
(12:17):
Christma Kream doughnuts and Pipee's chicken chick, you know. And
Travis Taylor he was a rookie too. He was the
first round but he was just he was bucking the system.
So somebody had to I had to step up and
bring it. But the limbos was like that get taxing
over a sixteen week season, I tell you that.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah, people don't know about that Popey's chicken for the
game now like I had. I had to do it too.
Almost missed my plane going to get the chicken.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
That's a rich that was like a richie. Yeah, you
have on a nice suit walking across the Tara mat
with and chicken. You's sweating and everything. You got a
nice suit. You just about this and you gotta get
on the plane. And he was smelling like chicken smelling.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Like And there's no excuse for young players to mess
this up. Now, Okay, you guys have door dash, you
have so many different ways to get the chicken to
the plane. There's no excuses to not have the yardbird
on the plane. You got that is mandatory.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Excuse.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
This is what's been going on the NFL for as
long as since the Ninthes.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Guys. Don't bring Mama's chicken, don't bring somebody else, you
better bring verse pop up. Yeah we have. We had
to go to the hood to go get it. But yeah,
that's no excuse. Shield.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I don't care one time. This true story. Hot sauce
guys be spilling on the shirts.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
It was. It was all messed up. It was all
messed up, all right.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
So two thousand and three, Week sixteen, all right, you
ran for two hundred and five yards on twenty two
carries versus the Cleveland Browns you got were up twenty
eight to nothing. So you get pulled out of the game,
all right, Brian Billy said, I want to save you
for the playoffs, but you probably could have broke the
(14:12):
rushing record, right you feel that way, kind of take
us down this whole story and kind of fill us
in how you were feeling looking back at it.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Would you have changed anything in that game? I kind
of knew. I kind of knew we could at least
put up some numbers that could make it lighter going
into the end of the season to actually get over
the record, not just two thousand. We knew we could
probably hit two thousand, but it was the record. What
you're going for, Yeah, what was the record? Twenty five?
(14:43):
Twenty one oh five, Yeah, twenty one oh five, So
going away finish twenty sixty six, right exactly. Not closer
than Adrian Peterson. That's even worse, you like. But it
was like, we knew that the come out hot, and
they did, and you know, it was cold as I
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don't know what out there anyway, so it took a
while to warm up. So we kind of knew, like
the second second half we'll kind of pick up, maybe
second quarter, second half, we'll pick it up. And it
started breaking and we started hitting it, and I'm like,
here we go, Like we got it. It didn't take
but a few carries, probably one out of three hours,
gonna pop it, you know. And then coach, you know,
(15:24):
he he came and pulled me out and he was like,
you know, we need you, you need you for the playoffs,
you know. And I was a team guy, you know
what I mean. I'm like, all right, you know whatever,
But in my head, I'm thinking, it don't matter if
we go to the playoffs anyway. We're going to the playoffs.
But at the same time, I don't think we're going
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deep in it. You know, I don't let me going
deep cause I done got some miles on these legs.
I'm tired, you know, running for two thousand yards, that's
that's that's tiring. And I had I think I finished
up with three hundred and eighty carres or something crazy.
So but I kind of felt like, Okay, you know,
at the time, you're like, I need to get more
so that I can probably make it easier. But it
(16:06):
just made the work that much harder. And I wish
I would have stayed in at least to kind of
eat up a few more yards, but you know, I
was taking it for the team so I could be healthy,
nothing happens and get hurt whatever. But I do wish
we would have we would have left me in.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Listening to you talk about that, I want to know, like,
as that season progresses and you're getting closer to two
thousand yards and like this season clearly just felt different,
like did you just pop more? Like what was it
like being on a heater like that where you just
breaking runs? I remember you just watching you know, prime
time when Chris Birmingham all the time talking about you
(16:44):
breaking these long runs week after week after week.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
What was it like being on that type of heater
type water. So it was so early in the season, like,
well not early in the season, but training in the
off season. Me and my training at the time, you know,
I saw Cord Dillon go for two seventy four and
I was like, that can be done, Like, but you
gotta hit it early. Yeah, you gotta break one early,
you know. And I always said that when he did that,
(17:09):
and I think that was my rookie year. I think
he did it against Denver and I just saw how
he ran it. I watched that, you know multiple times,
and I'll just tell my my trainer every year, like
we got to go for that record. We gotta go
for that record. And then he was like, let's just
go for two thousands. Like two thousand, it's doable. It's doable.
So like, okay, we'll we'll put it on up there,
you know whatever, and we shall fall we fall short,
(17:33):
We'll still be good, right. And I trained, you know,
train like hell, and and one of my main.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Thing differently as far as how you train.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
My training that all season was mainly I did a
lot of boxing and then I also did you know
on my on my speed training, I worked more on
my back end finish, keeping it, to keep it and
stay so when I get to the second level, you know, boom,
I could go and finish and hit the home run.
So that was my because my power was good. I
(18:04):
was good at that, but my stride length was kind
of it was off. So we worked on that pretty
much all off season. But you know, going into that
first game, I think I end up getting fifty yards
or something, but uh, the quarterback got hurt, Kyle Bowler
got hurt, Anthony Wright stepped in, and that's when coach said, hey, look,
we need you need us to run the ball twenty
(18:24):
five thirty times game And I'm like perfect, Like I'm
built for it. I'm ready for you. And when we
got in that game and they threw the ball to
first play and I'm like like, really, y'all do tripping,
you know, And then they handed it off the second
play and I took it for like eighty something and
then when we did that, I think we had a
(18:45):
few more runs after that. And that's when I Charson
Nogden was like, hey, you know, going there for a halftime,
He's like, we're ad about one eighty and I'm like,
damn one eighty. He was like, we should just go
for the record. I said, that's on y'all and you
ray the troops and of course, you know, that's where
good veterans come in. And he went and talked to
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Kavanaugh and Bill it and got them on board. And
then we came out the second half and they just
started feeding it. And the Cleveland Browns they just did
the defense. They were just when you you saw it
in their eyes like it was over with. They didn't
want none of it. And it was like every time
you touched it, and it was like, wonder when you
watch watch Michael Jordan back in the day in the zone,
(19:31):
I wonder what that felt like, Like that's what it felt. Yeah, okay, good,
because that's that's that's what I felt like. It was
like everything popping, everything, the timing right, offensive line, everything
is in sync. It's just everything to one accord, which
that's what you want right when you're playing, but rarely
(19:51):
do it all happen, and it happened that game. And
then every week we just build on that and build
on that and you know, you facing seven an eight
million box you know or whatever every week. So it was,
you know, everything had to be perfect. But they put
a good emphasis on the running game, which actually helps too. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah, you know, I'm sure the lineman got good Christmas
presents that year.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, I'm sure you took care of
the boy. Yeah. I forgot what the why. I bought
them all watches or something. It wasn't no Rolex, And
I bought them all.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Watches different times, different times.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Right, So with Derrick Henry almost you know, he leaves Tennessee,
he's in Baltimore now and he's chasing two thousand yards.
You're getting a lot of attention, right, you know how
good does that feel? Because I mean, in your prime
at that time, you was, you was him.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Well yeah, it's it's good. It's good, especially with him
being at the Ravens, you know. And I knew when
they picked him up that it was perfect. I'm like,
what else do you need? But the biggest thing was hired.
They're gonna use it. Yeah, and a big guy like him,
you know, in a runner like him, a featured back
like he is. How do you spread this thing? Around
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with you know, Lamar, Lamar got to get touches. Yeah,
he told touching every play, But what they do with
it and how they do it that's the question. And
then also knowing that, you know, running like that, you
need to be in the eye, you know, or whatever,
and he's an I style back, so how are they
going to do that? And it started out slow, but
then they picked up and now they're figuring it out
(21:28):
a little more. And you got the offense coordinator just
giving in to the run and saying, look, this is
what we got to do. We might not go out
here and they be you know, pretty, but at the
same time, we're gonna grind it out. That's gonna really
help November December. But I like the attention. I like
talking about running the football. You know, the running back
position has been downgraded and devalue over the years too,
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So it's good that we got you know, we have
in some of these conversations. We're gonna take a short
break and we'll be right back.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Know for me specifically, I don't think I knew when
I was going to retire. I just figured I'd go
until I got injured, until the wills fall off and
That's exactly what happened going into my last season.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Uh, TORMESL you will fill off.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
My will fall off. Literally my will fell off. So
I was like, uh, I'm thirty four, thirty five whatever.
No one's picking up a corner with the with the
torn acl So that led me to retire from the league.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
In that two thousand and nine season.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Did you I think you said you knew going into
that season you were going to retire.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
What led you to that decision? Well, I instet a
goal anyway, coming in ten years. I said I wanted
to play ten years. That was just the mark. I said,
that's what I wanted to do. And when I dig
I had a I got knocked out like the first
game and that kind of I had a little concussion
issue going on at that time. You didn't know about
(22:55):
no rescussion, but you just I'm just like, you know,
going through week the week, and I end up going
to our about five games left in the season and
and I just you know, it was like, you know,
I think the doctor said something about, you know, were
worried about you twenty years from now or not right now?
And I was just like I said, ten years here
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we going thirty, like, I'm done. You know, I'm just
I'm gonna just hang it up, you know, after the
season and and it was time. You know, I was
on my second team third season. Man, Genie was in Cleveland,
so you know, unless it was going somewhere else, I
was like, I'm not gonna be here, you know, or whatever.
(23:38):
But but I just, you know, I was done, man.
I just it's you know, it's the training that is.
It's not playing on Sunday. It's not playing on Sundays.
Sundays is good, dealing with the guys. Whether you win
little losing that that don't. That's not the issue. Is
it's when January hit well, shooting down it's later. But
(23:59):
you know when when off season hits, like, I jumped
right back into it, started training that process and started
getting building up, and I sacrificed everything, didn't do nothing,
you know, it was just all about getting ready for
the next season. And that's where that training with with
Shannon Sharp as a sixteen seventeen year old kid, I
(24:19):
saw how they trained, I saw his mentality, I saw
what he did his routine, and I kind of followed
that and it was just sacrificing everything for that. And
at the end of the day, I got the ten
years of doing that. It's like like you're breaking your
body down to build it up, you know, and held
it up to break it down. Yeah. Yeah, and then
doing that, you know, year and year out. It's just
(24:41):
like I just couldn't see it going in to another
year doing that. You know. Now, were you at peace
when you made the decision to retire? You were you?
Just like, I think I'm good. I feel good about it.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
No second thoughts, no regrets, no doubts.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Well I did. I did entertain the Saints probably probably
a few months before the season or something like that,
or maybe it was a little bit before the off season. Well,
during the off season, I did entertain that. I went
down to visit and they just needed a big bag
(25:16):
for you know, short yardist goal line because I think
Reggie Bush was there at time, Pierre one of them cats.
But I did entertain it, and I remember sitting there
with the GM at the time and he asked me,
you know, he asked me the question of like why,
like why, and I'm like why what? And he was
(25:37):
just like, well, why do you want to continue? You know? Playing? Wow?
You know, after ten years, why do you want the
team playing? And my answer was that you know, you
called me, so that's why I'm here. You know what
I mean. You called me so that's why I'm here.
(25:57):
You know what I mean. They didn't like that, and
it was like, you know, they didn't know if I
was going to buy into and that's that's when I said,
you know what, I'm really done. It wasn't inspiring.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Two been a great year to be there, though, Right,
it's crazy you got your second ring. Then we might
not have Mike Bell and we might have some of
the guys, our big power guys would have been.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
So no, that's it's crazy. I didn't even know that.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah, tell me this though, when did you get the
entrepreneurial buck?
Speaker 1 (26:31):
My my dad? My dad, man, I can't remember being
a five six year old, seven year old kid laying
the ball of my dad and he would just be watching,
uh to get rich quick? You know, guy is talking
about commercial investing and flipping your houses and all this
type of stuff. And I just remember my dad. He
(26:53):
ended up he worked for the railroad and then he uh,
he ended up returning and got a law shoot or
something with them, and he took his money and the
first thing he went to bought was a bunch of houses.
And uh so when I was growing up, that's what
he did, you know, and that's what that was, this thing,
you know, so that's what I saw. Uh My mom
(27:14):
was awarded at a prison, so she went to work
here nine to five every day, and then he would
just be in and out doing his thing. And I
kind of liked that, you know, what he was doing,
you know what I'm saying. So so basically when I
first got into the league, you know, that's when I started,
you know, and even in college, I would be around
boosters and guys like that. They had businesses, and I
(27:34):
was more intrigued with what they were doing, you know,
and how they was making their money. You know, I'm
trying to get to the NFL, but they're doing something else,
just trying to take dollars hands. I like it, the
n il So correction. So that's kind of how I
kind of got the bug. And when I did have
(27:55):
some money to go and invest and do my thing,
that's when I got into logistics and kind of started
you know, buying, you know, doing different businesses and trying
to jump into it and I lost my answer a
bunch of times, and I won a couple of times.
But at the same time, it's just something about going
in and and bringing the pieces together and building a
(28:16):
business and then seeing it, you know, either thrive or
or not in understanding what you did wrong and trying
to go back to the drawing board. So uh, that's
that's pretty much where I got it from.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
And you got a couple of them. Like so, I
never had the entrepreneur book, Entrepreneur buck like that just
that wasn't for me. Maybe as I get older, I'm
trying to, you know, be my own boss. Specifically for
this podcast, I try to be my own boss. But
we got a producer that is just like very himself,
So I'm trying to be my own boss and produce
(28:48):
my own shows.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I'm trying to.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Get him over throwing his hands and yeah, yeah, Thomas,
I'm joking. But you got you got to of them.
You got buyers connected in Southeast Exhibits. Can you talk
about or tell us what each of those companies does?
Speaker 1 (29:03):
So Southeast Exhibits and Events, we basically do a design
and build trade show. Boots.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I saw that on your website, so I thought these
companies just did that themselves, oh not knowing. This is
like third partied out that it's just easier.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah, so we're a third that's we're right, We're a
third party exhibit house. Yes, so you know some companies
they do do their own, okay, and they figure out
how hard it is and how much time goes into it.
So basically, we have the design team, we have everybody
to go and put the structure together. We got all
the components if it's if it's custom, we got wood
(29:42):
shop to build certain things whatever. We got the print
and the whole nine. So we deliver everything turn key
to our customers so they don't have to really do that.
So design, build, set up, breakdown, storage, so all the
way through the whole cycle of them going to a show,
ending the show, and then going to their next show,
(30:03):
and we will position all of that. So you got
some companies that got three stout shows a year. You
got some companies got twenty five, thirty fifty shows a year.
So we'll pretty much manage their whole event process. You know,
one stop shop, Yeah, one stop shop. Yeah. The website
is awesome, dude.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
It looks like when you know you're you're ordering like
the birthday situation for your your kids or you know,
you got the whole you know, the step and repeat background,
and you got the different options of what you want
to do here and this one and there.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
It's pretty dope, I was. But yeah, but you got
some boost that up like one hundred by one hundred.
So you got big hanging signs, you got walls, and
we got frames. It's like legos, you know, you just
build them and you have certain components so you can
add your doors, you can add you know, whatever you
really want. Can we can do it if you got
the money to pay for it, Like, but you'd be
(30:54):
surprised that would company pay for their marketing. That's marketing, right. Yeah,
So you know some of these companies going to these shows,
who was writing million dollar pos? So that booth is
what draws that person into that customer and so we
basically take their idea, you know, from ideation all the
way to reality to the show and a buyer connected.
(31:14):
We basically I started that company around you know labor.
You know, we have a lot of labor. So retail,
big box retail. So we go in and do the
resets remodels, refreshes, and things of that nature. When they
want to change around. If you go into Lows and
they have the lumber department or the plumbing department, they
(31:35):
want to change certain bays around and move product here
or there. Because not selling. We will go in and
rearrange that whole department at night. So when you go
into a home depot and you see something that's different,
it's not the same place it was two weeks ago.
They change it up, which is in the app and
stuff now. But you know, we'll go in at night
(31:56):
and execute that whole program. So we do the legit
six and everything else around that too, So making sure
the fixtures and everything get there. So like an Apple store,
you know, making sure that they have tables, they have
their wall, you know, units and things like that. I'm
not saying we do bitters with Apple, but at the
same time, it's a good picture. We most of us
(32:16):
have been into an Apple store, right, yes, So when
you see that, you know, speak, go and put it
out there for the people.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
So when you walk into these meetings with these potential clients,
like what's the impression the first impression you you usually
get when they see you.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
They well, the biggest barriers you gotta break, and being
a they don't really know.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
They don't take you serious. Okay, do they know it's
you initially? Sometimes yeah, go yeah, because I.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Go, I go to LinkedIn, I know to them or whatever,
and I, you know, I hit them up and and
I try to make that connection and then get that
meeting or whatever. So it's one of the things where
you can set the meeting, get the meeting, and I
might bring a partner or somebody within the space or whatever,
but sometimes I go by myself. But at the same time,
a lot of times they don't take you serious. They'll
(33:08):
ask you, you know, who am I supposed to be
talking to?
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Or who do do I need to talk to?
Speaker 1 (33:16):
And it's like you need to talk to me. But
once you get into the business and you started talking
about it and they know that you know what you're
talking about and you can answer the questions and this,
that and the other, and you're just not the face
or and all of that, then that's when you know
they kind of take you serious. But the first initial
(33:37):
thought is, you know, he's an athlete, you know whatever.
They look at what you did on the field and
this that and the other, and then it's your job
is now to flip that. You know, we can talk
about that, but then we flip it and then we're
gonna go into it. But at the same time, also
it's not like you're just gonna get business because of
who you are. Sometimes you can, but you got to
(33:58):
go and I prove that you work. Yeah right, yeah,
right right.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Do you ever just take time to sit back and just.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Look at yourself and sit down. I did that.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
I accomplished this, like look at look at you know,
I come from homebole beginnings. You know my background. I
struggle a little bit. I made it through the struggle.
I came out and clean on the other side. Like
you ever, just take time to just sit back and
just say, oh man, this is I got it pretty good.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Right now, I'm feeling pretty blessed. Yeah. Well, you know,
finishing up in two thousand and what nineteen and then,
you know, I had a truck and company at the
time that was spiraling just because of bad management and
me not being there or whatever and retiring and then
now having to go and fix that and try to
(34:45):
fix that and jump into a business that you've been
you know, you've had for six years plus and it
was doing great, and then you come to find out, oh, shoot,
you know it's been mismanaged or whatever. Right, that was hard.
You know that was hard because you know it either way,
it ate away money, you know what I'm saying. And
then you get into other trouble because you got all
(35:06):
this equipment, you got all these assets, and somebody they
won't come and say, hey, look we need to get that,
you know, or whatever. But going through those financial struggles,
going through those those business struggles or whatever like it
took me back to football. It made me regroup to say, like,
you are two thousand yard Russia, you are a national champion,
(35:28):
you are a Super Bowl champion. You have been instilled
a lot of different things. Now you got to use it.
And that's when I looked myself in the mirror and
regroup and basically started applying a lot of that. Now.
It took about ten years for me to rebuild, but
at the same time, I just stayed with it, sacrificed,
(35:49):
worked hard, dedicated myself to it. And then next thing
you know, it just started, it started turning. So, you know,
I've had a lot of businesses, but these are two
that it's stuck, you know what I'm saying. And I
found too that stuck and then I just kept working
at them. But you know, it's it's one of the
things where now I look back at it because football,
(36:10):
I made a lot of money playing football, and it's
it's great. But I didn't think about money while I
was playing football because I love to play the sport
and I could do it for free. But at the
same time, when you go out and you start a
business and you start earning capital and you got somebody
that like your product or your service, that's more gratifying
to me, honestly, And uh that's now I look at
(36:32):
myself and say, you've you know, you've done it, you know,
and just keep doing it.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
It's crazy how you take more pride in making the
dollar this way than when you were just playing football.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
You like, did I did that for free? I didn't
think of it that way.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
But going out and earning the dollar another way where
I'm doing it from a business point, how much more
pride you're taking that naturally, Just hearing you talk about
that's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
And just building it up and you know, it's like
jumping into another industry of going to do another thing.
Like you know, you went from from youth football to
middle school football, to high school to college and every
step was a different one and you had to get
in there and get your angle and figure out how
you're going to fit in. And I think that after
(37:18):
retiring from football, you got to do the same thing
because you ain't play football no more. Yeah, so now
let's go, let's get over here this lane, and let's
go try to be successful.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
So in twenty eighteen in a Bleacher Report article, you
said in the interview that you a battle with depression
and suicide and wasn't sure how you'd feel in five, ten,
fifteen years from that.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
That was in twenty eighteen. It's been six years. How
do you feel. I feel good, man, I feel good.
But I think knowing and learning how to cope with
those things depression and you know, the thoughts that I've had,
and a lot of that was when stuff hit the fan,
you know, whatever, and it's a deep dive. That's when
(38:03):
you start having those current thoughts whatever. But you know, now,
that's why, you know, with business it's so helpful and
it's like therapy because when I can go out and
I can sell a deal or I can get a
deal closed. That's a when you know what I mean,
and some of my worst days or when you know
you're not getting some of them wins and it's passing
(38:24):
you by, or the economy is down, or you know,
nobody spending money and you know it's at a hole,
and that's when you kind of got to realize where
you're at and know how to address it. And that's
that's that's hard. But now I feel I feel pretty good,
you know whatever. But I still deal with certain things.
(38:44):
But it's knowing how to deal with it. And I
got good family and friends and people like that, and
the good support and cast around me, so that's helpful. Yeah,
I've had a lot of people. I've had a great
supporting cast.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Helped me in my life and through my ups and downs,
my successes, my failures. I've always had my crew of
people kind of right there next to me. If you
had four people to pick on Mount Rushmore, who would
those four people be that has helped you get to
where you are today?
Speaker 1 (39:15):
I had to say my mom, I had to say
my dad, my mom. She was always just there, you
know what I mean, Like then, no matter what, Yeah,
and you know, rubbing my legs down when I'm tired,
or in you know, running track in high school, or
I wanted a new pair of shoes or whatever. She
was gonna make sure that happened. My dad, because he
(39:36):
threw me out the car and made me go play football,
got me out of the house, and you know, provided
made sure that I had everything I needed in order
to be successful with my brother, because he just instilled
hardworking me and how to go out there and outwork
your opponent and outwork your teammates and do things different.
And I would say my high school coach because he
(39:56):
basically got me to start running track. And he actually,
you know, was one of those guys that you didn't
want to disappoint and you saw him every day at school,
so you had to behave at school. You had to
make good grades because he was going to approach you.
And he just he saw something in me early on
that I didn't and he was just like he put
(40:17):
me in that, you know, that category. And because I remember,
I asked him like why, you know, why can't I
go to camps? Why can't I go here there? You
know that these are these little deals, and he was
like you know, because you recruited by everybody, you know,
I mean, you can go there to college you want
to go to. So honestly, like, why go to that?
Because he said, I know your I know your weaknesses.
(40:38):
They don't, so why go out there show you know
what I mean? So he told me that later on too,
so it was like I was like, Okay, that's why.
But but yeah, but those are the four. Those are
good four. I love it.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Hey, man, we appreciate you coming on the show.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
This is a good conversation. Yeah, man, I never got
the chance to meet you up.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
I just know you from a far for a very
long time, from Tennessee, being a you know, being from
Alabama growing up in the SEC. Seeing you have a
great college career, continue to dominate right through the NFL,
sharing great stories, personal stories, even your trials and tribulations,
and being on the other side of it, hey being
a check his website the trade show stuff. I definitely legit.
(41:21):
I remember reading about it. I just never did I
didn't go to the Honesty website. Last night, bro, I
was just like, man, this is nice. We like, very nice.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Man.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
I appreciate you, no man doubt man, And hey, look
just keep doing your thing, keep staying on this side
of it.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Man.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
We appreciate you for pouring into us, and hopefully everybody
else will see this and we'll continue to pour into
Jamal and everything else that he has going on, and
he will continue to.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Pour out to us.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
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I appreciate that man.
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
At least you switched it up from Ribot today. So
thank you all of our listeners and viewers out there.
Right here we are here in the Atlanta iHeartRadio studios
in the heart of it so right here in midtown.
So that's really great space. One of the best setups
we've had. You know, tell us who our special guest
is next. This is a good one. Is great, I'm sorry,
(00:48):
great one is a great one. All pro running back
ran more than ten thousand yards in ten years. I
don't even dry that far. I don't even dry as
far as far as that in my I don't know.
Just too much math for me. He's one of eight
running backs in the NFL to rush for more than
two thousand yards. Uh, Super Bowl champion, successful businessman and
(01:14):
in the retail design logistics and other ventures. Ladies and gentlemen,
please welcome to the show. Mister Jamal Lewis.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
That was great. That was great. That was great. Two
thousand yards Yeah, that's awsome.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
The only thing that I think is crazy that we
learned about you, U jamal Is when we started looking
at was that that was the only year you went
to a Pro Bowl. It was all pro like, that
was it?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
But you had a thousand yards every year?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, it was tough, man, It was tough
in theF nor Man Eddie George, Yeah, Eddie George, you
had not you had Bettists. Yeah, you had uh the
dad at the Jets, Curtis Martin Martin, you had Cord Dylon. Yeah,
you know, so it was always I was just competing
(02:01):
every year and I'm like, Manu, it short fell short
again this year, but look who you fell short behind? Like,
you know, it was just that type of you know,
running backs.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
It was scarce, you know, And that was when like
the Pro Bowl like meant something to the players.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, went got mad. You got mad. You didn't. He
thought you were supposed to make it.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
So it was one year that you thought you should
have went and you didn't make it because that happened
to me a couple of times when I looked at
my stats compared to other players, and I'm like, yo,
I got more picks, I got more touchdowns, I got
more fumbles or forced fumbles. But this particular player had
been twice before, so they kind of went off like
the popularity.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
The numbers don't lie, you know what I mean, I
didn't have the numbers, But at the same time, it's
not like I had a whole bunch of help at
the quarterback position either, So therefore, you know, it was
like you took what you got. I was, you know,
I got over a thousand yards, which was great, but
at the same time, you know, the other guys was
probably at twelve hundred and thirteen hundred, you know, or
(03:02):
more shoot fifteen sixteen hundred, you know. Yeah, so you
kind of had that that was just battling with.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
You're on a few running backs that didn't wear gloves. Yeah,
what's up with that? Like, what's up? Like, I know
you're ball tight, but to me, that always stood out
about Jamal Lewis. This guy never had gloves on, and
it'd be cold as hell on TV when I was young.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
When I was young playing here in Atlanta, we played
at Lakewood Stadium and it was like astro turf, you know,
so you know, I always my mom always would have
brought me sleeves and gloves and wristbands and all this stuff.
And when I would get it, by the time you know,
halftime came, I done took all that off. So I
(03:41):
was like, I just never used it. I didn't know.
I didn't want anything between my hands and the ball.
So that's kind of where that went. I might have
had a few fumbles in there, too, so I was like,
forget that. I was blamed it on the gloves. But
I do remember John and Ogden one year, and this
was probably after my third or fourth year in the league,
(04:03):
and he was like, hey, why did you wear gloves?
And I was like, Cuz I just don't like him.
He said, well, you know they've changed, you know, a
lot more staff have a few fumbles to me, so
he was trying to hit something. But when I started
wearing gloves, my fumbles just went down drastically, Like, you know,
I might have had one fumble in a year, you
(04:24):
know what I mean, versus of three or four, you know.
But it just drastically went down. And then I started
wearing gloves rest of my career. But that's why I
did it earlier. Okay, okay, because you did wear them
in college.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
No, I didn't early on you did no swags.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Oh man, My kids, my kids right now, they look
at you, they're like, man, you look wrecked. Like I'm like,
I thought I was started, you know, but look I
was trying to go out there and you know, make
an impact. You know that's funny. Something look crazy. No sleeves.
You know what I'm saying, jash, you like, just see
them the guys.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Honestly, that's why I took my sweatshirt off, because the
guys that don't wear.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
No sleeves, they'd be out there ask you with no gloves.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I'm like, don't care about life, you know what I mean.
That says a lot to do about that person who
never said one word he about business.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah, don't care about nothing, just crazy about it.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
He don't care about So when you went into that
locker room, so I know, I get drafted. I come
in the locker room. You know, I got olen crews,
I got the Mike Brown's, I got the brown earl
Loackers and you coming straight out of college, it's it's
a little intimidating, right, So how was it when you
got drafted and you went to Baltimore when you stepped
into that veteran locker room with all those players.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
So the only person that I really knew was with
Shannon Shark okay, and I used to train with Shannon
in the off season when I used to come home
from college for like two weeks, I would go train
with Shannon, so I kind of knew him, yeah, on
that team. But I never really watched like football. I
never really followed football, So I didn't.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Know ray Lewis when you were in college, you when
you weren't playing, you didn't watch it.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
No, I never watched it, but I hear I would
listen to people talk, you know, so I kind of
my boys would talk about Rod Woodson and ray Lewis
and all this type of Stuffespecially when I got drafted
there They're like, oh, man, You're going to play with
all these dudes, And I'm like, don't know who they are,
but you know, when you get there, you know you
in you in a pack of lions up there. You
(06:32):
know what I'm saying. There's a bunch of leaders and
just how Ozzie knew some structured that team from a
standpoint of experience to youth, you know what I'm saying.
And uh, the guys that were there, they was just
you know, you had Rod Woodson, Sarah Goosa, Rod Burnett, McCreary,
you know, yeah, yeah, Peter Ball where that was defensive
(06:53):
side offence. You had, you know, Jonathan Ogden, had Shannon
the quarterback was it, yes, Del for Tony Banks of course,
But at the same time, you had a lot of
guys there with a lot of experience, you know, that
you could feed off of. And me as a rookie,
I just jumped in and and I didn't know, you know,
(07:15):
just how soon I was going to play or start
or whatever, but I knew it was expected. But at
the same time, I just went up under Ray and
we started hanging out and Shannon and and we just
you know, we just became a little click. And uh,
you just learned a lot from those guys and how
they move and and everything else. And I think that
dynamic is what Ozzie and the organization is really trying
(07:37):
to put together. Knowing that you had you was trying
to build a squad. You know, we had just opened
what ninety six, so that was two thousand when I
got there, So uh uh, it was it was it
was structured that way, and it was uh, it was
impactful going through the season and learning even learning who
these guys were and and you know that they was
great players, and I think that's what resulted in a
(07:59):
Super Bowl up and downs.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
So tell me this, what was it like going again
at practice going against that defense? You mentioned a couple
of them, Sam Adams, Sarah Guci McQuary, Robertnette, ray Lewis,
Jamie Sharper, Dwayne Starts, Chris mccowster, all these great corners,
Rod Woodson, Kim Herring Like, how what was that going
(08:21):
against those guys because you guys hit two back then. Yeah,
it was not like yeah, we're now off, you know.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Coach. Yeah, Coach came in and he was like, you know,
you knew it was because everybody, even right you come
in to the locker room, they're like, oh, oh oh,
live bullets, live hoods today. I'm like, okay, So coach said,
you know we're going live you know, gold line, certain
areas what definitely go But I can remember one particular
time we had. It was it was goal line and
(08:51):
coaches I think priest that just went and then coach
was like all right, big back, like your your turn.
So I went in and I got huddle and we
was like, you know, the one yard line, and I
remember they called the play of course, go lines, just
just drop step and hit it. So I dropstep hit it.
And when I got to the line, you know, things
(09:13):
opened up and I got there and all of a sudden,
like wow, somebody met me in the hole. They were
fifty two. So I so I was like, okay, you know,
we didn't get it. So I went back to the huddle.
They called the same play, so I said, okay, they're
trying to see what we got. You know what I
got at least. So he called the same play, same
(09:33):
sad thing happened the one yard line and I hit
it and it just and next thing, you know, fifty
two just filled it. So we get back to the
huddle and I'm like, you know, I say, who got
who got fifty two? And it was like it was
like nobody, that's ray Lewis. I was like, damn, okay,
all right, that's what it's gonna be let's do it.
(09:54):
But I went back, same play three times, same thing happened,
never crossed the line, and I knew what I knew
what they were in and they knew what I was.
And that's what I got my respect. And it was like,
you know, you kind of knew who the guys were
over there, you know, and what that defense was really about.
And uh, it set the stage was that that was, yeah,
(10:15):
you're welcome to the NFL.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
That was three times in a row.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Who who got fifty two last? So that's when I realized.
I said, Okay, I see what, I see what's up.
But guess what. There was a lot of times we're
playing games down the road and coach you say, look,
we're gonna have eight men in the box and one
of them gonna be yours. So you know, you gotta,
(10:44):
you know, you gotta take it, take it as it comes.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
So I know my uh, everyone the NFL, they're infamous
for for rookie nights, right, I know, my rookie night.
We had to pay for dinner, pay for some limos,
and some some some evening activities when we went out.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Uh, like you clean that up? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yeah, I know there was an incident with you and
you had to pay for some limbos for the for
the team. Talk talk about that, Well, what was that experience?
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Well, I did well, Well, it wasn't even the team.
It was just Ray shinning and uh Corey at the
time and uh Rod okay, because we would all go out. Yeah,
but it was like Thursday, Friday, you know, you come
back after you know, Saturday, ain't doing nothing. Sunday after
(11:31):
the game, you might do something. It might just be
me and Ray going to d C or whatever. But
you know, you're getting a limo three four times a week,
you know what I'm saying, And at the end of
the day, I'm the one getting dropped off, you know.
So it just became a pattern. And the dude that
was the limo guy, you know that I used, you know,
(11:53):
he was just you know, getting me the bill and
I'll be like here you go, you know, like fifteen
hundred fifty one hundred, fifteen hundred pop. Because we're going
all day, you know what I mean, We're going all day.
So it's like and I'm like, damn, how do I
always end up? So I started thinking about Okay, So
but but at the same time. Now I'm paying for
limos with these guys. And then I got to bring doughnuts, uh,
(12:17):
Christma Kream doughnuts and Pipee's chicken chick, you know. And
Travis Taylor he was a rookie too. He was the
first round but he was just he was bucking the system.
So somebody had to I had to step up and
bring it. But the limbos was like that get taxing
over a sixteen week season, I tell you that.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah, people don't know about that Popey's chicken for the
game now like I had. I had to do it too.
Almost missed my plane going to get the chicken.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
That's a rich that was like a richie. Yeah, you
have on a nice suit walking across the Tara mat
with and chicken. You's sweating and everything. You got a
nice suit. You just about this and you gotta get
on the plane. And he was smelling like chicken smelling.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Like And there's no excuse for young players to mess
this up. Now, Okay, you guys have door dash, you
have so many different ways to get the chicken to
the plane. There's no excuses to not have the yardbird
on the plane. You got that is mandatory.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Excuse.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
This is what's been going on the NFL for as
long as since the Ninthes.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Guys. Don't bring Mama's chicken, don't bring somebody else, you
better bring verse pop up. Yeah we have. We had
to go to the hood to go get it. But yeah,
that's no excuse. Shield.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I don't care one time. This true story. Hot sauce
guys be spilling on the shirts.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
It was. It was all messed up. It was all
messed up, all right.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
So two thousand and three, Week sixteen, all right, you
ran for two hundred and five yards on twenty two
carries versus the Cleveland Browns you got were up twenty
eight to nothing. So you get pulled out of the game,
all right, Brian Billy said, I want to save you
for the playoffs, but you probably could have broke the
(14:12):
rushing record, right you feel that way, kind of take
us down this whole story and kind of fill us
in how you were feeling looking back at it.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Would you have changed anything in that game? I kind
of knew. I kind of knew we could at least
put up some numbers that could make it lighter going
into the end of the season to actually get over
the record, not just two thousand. We knew we could
probably hit two thousand, but it was the record. What
you're going for, Yeah, what was the record? Twenty five?
(14:43):
Twenty one oh five, Yeah, twenty one oh five, So
going away finish twenty sixty six, right exactly. Not closer
than Adrian Peterson. That's even worse, you like. But it
was like, we knew that the come out hot, and
they did, and you know, it was cold as I
(15:04):
don't know what out there anyway, so it took a
while to warm up. So we kind of knew, like
the second second half we'll kind of pick up, maybe
second quarter, second half, we'll pick it up. And it
started breaking and we started hitting it, and I'm like,
here we go, Like we got it. It didn't take
but a few carries, probably one out of three hours,
gonna pop it, you know. And then coach, you know,
(15:24):
he he came and pulled me out and he was like,
you know, we need you, you need you for the playoffs,
you know. And I was a team guy, you know
what I mean. I'm like, all right, you know whatever,
But in my head, I'm thinking, it don't matter if
we go to the playoffs anyway. We're going to the playoffs.
But at the same time, I don't think we're going
(15:44):
deep in it. You know, I don't let me going
deep cause I done got some miles on these legs.
I'm tired, you know, running for two thousand yards, that's
that's that's tiring. And I had I think I finished
up with three hundred and eighty carres or something crazy.
So but I kind of felt like, Okay, you know,
at the time, you're like, I need to get more
so that I can probably make it easier. But it
(16:06):
just made the work that much harder. And I wish
I would have stayed in at least to kind of
eat up a few more yards, but you know, I
was taking it for the team so I could be healthy,
nothing happens and get hurt whatever. But I do wish
we would have we would have left me in.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Listening to you talk about that, I want to know, like,
as that season progresses and you're getting closer to two
thousand yards and like this season clearly just felt different,
like did you just pop more? Like what was it
like being on a heater like that where you just
breaking runs? I remember you just watching you know, prime
time when Chris Birmingham all the time talking about you
(16:44):
breaking these long runs week after week after week.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
What was it like being on that type of heater
type water. So it was so early in the season, like,
well not early in the season, but training in the
off season. Me and my training at the time, you know,
I saw Cord Dillon go for two seventy four and
I was like, that can be done, Like, but you
gotta hit it early. Yeah, you gotta break one early,
you know. And I always said that when he did that,
(17:09):
and I think that was my rookie year. I think
he did it against Denver and I just saw how
he ran it. I watched that, you know multiple times,
and I'll just tell my my trainer every year, like
we got to go for that record. We gotta go
for that record. And then he was like, let's just
go for two thousands. Like two thousand, it's doable. It's doable.
So like, okay, we'll we'll put it on up there,
you know whatever, and we shall fall we fall short,
(17:33):
We'll still be good, right. And I trained, you know,
train like hell, and and one of my main.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Thing differently as far as how you train.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
My training that all season was mainly I did a
lot of boxing and then I also did you know
on my on my speed training, I worked more on
my back end finish, keeping it, to keep it and
stay so when I get to the second level, you know, boom,
I could go and finish and hit the home run.
So that was my because my power was good. I
(18:04):
was good at that, but my stride length was kind
of it was off. So we worked on that pretty
much all off season. But you know, going into that
first game, I think I end up getting fifty yards
or something, but uh, the quarterback got hurt, Kyle Bowler
got hurt, Anthony Wright stepped in, and that's when coach said, hey, look,
we need you need us to run the ball twenty
(18:24):
five thirty times game And I'm like perfect, Like I'm
built for it. I'm ready for you. And when we
got in that game and they threw the ball to
first play and I'm like like, really, y'all do tripping,
you know, And then they handed it off the second
play and I took it for like eighty something and
then when we did that, I think we had a
(18:45):
few more runs after that. And that's when I Charson
Nogden was like, hey, you know, going there for a halftime,
He's like, we're ad about one eighty and I'm like,
damn one eighty. He was like, we should just go
for the record. I said, that's on y'all and you
ray the troops and of course, you know, that's where
good veterans come in. And he went and talked to
(19:07):
Kavanaugh and Bill it and got them on board. And
then we came out the second half and they just
started feeding it. And the Cleveland Browns they just did
the defense. They were just when you you saw it
in their eyes like it was over with. They didn't
want none of it. And it was like every time
you touched it, and it was like, wonder when you
watch watch Michael Jordan back in the day in the zone,
(19:31):
I wonder what that felt like, Like that's what it felt. Yeah, okay, good,
because that's that's that's what I felt like. It was
like everything popping, everything, the timing right, offensive line, everything
is in sync. It's just everything to one accord, which
that's what you want right when you're playing, but rarely
(19:51):
do it all happen, and it happened that game. And
then every week we just build on that and build
on that and you know, you facing seven an eight
million box you know or whatever every week. So it was,
you know, everything had to be perfect. But they put
a good emphasis on the running game, which actually helps too. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah, you know, I'm sure the lineman got good Christmas
presents that year.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, I'm sure you took care of
the boy. Yeah. I forgot what the why. I bought
them all watches or something. It wasn't no Rolex, And
I bought them all.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Watches different times, different times.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Right, So with Derrick Henry almost you know, he leaves Tennessee,
he's in Baltimore now and he's chasing two thousand yards.
You're getting a lot of attention, right, you know how
good does that feel? Because I mean, in your prime
at that time, you was, you was him.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Well yeah, it's it's good. It's good, especially with him
being at the Ravens, you know. And I knew when
they picked him up that it was perfect. I'm like,
what else do you need? But the biggest thing was hired.
They're gonna use it. Yeah, and a big guy like him,
you know, in a runner like him, a featured back
like he is. How do you spread this thing? Around
(21:06):
with you know, Lamar, Lamar got to get touches. Yeah,
he told touching every play, But what they do with
it and how they do it that's the question. And
then also knowing that, you know, running like that, you
need to be in the eye, you know, or whatever,
and he's an I style back, so how are they
going to do that? And it started out slow, but
then they picked up and now they're figuring it out
(21:28):
a little more. And you got the offense coordinator just
giving in to the run and saying, look, this is
what we got to do. We might not go out
here and they be you know, pretty, but at the
same time, we're gonna grind it out. That's gonna really
help November December. But I like the attention. I like
talking about running the football. You know, the running back
position has been downgraded and devalue over the years too,
(21:50):
So it's good that we got you know, we have
in some of these conversations. We're gonna take a short
break and we'll be right back.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Know for me specifically, I don't think I knew when
I was going to retire. I just figured I'd go
until I got injured, until the wills fall off and
That's exactly what happened going into my last season.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Uh, TORMESL you will fill off.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
My will fall off. Literally my will fell off. So
I was like, uh, I'm thirty four, thirty five whatever.
No one's picking up a corner with the with the
torn acl So that led me to retire from the league.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
In that two thousand and nine season.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Did you I think you said you knew going into
that season you were going to retire.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
What led you to that decision? Well, I instet a
goal anyway, coming in ten years. I said I wanted
to play ten years. That was just the mark. I said,
that's what I wanted to do. And when I dig
I had a I got knocked out like the first
game and that kind of I had a little concussion
issue going on at that time. You didn't know about
(22:55):
no rescussion, but you just I'm just like, you know,
going through week the week, and I end up going
to our about five games left in the season and
and I just you know, it was like, you know,
I think the doctor said something about, you know, were
worried about you twenty years from now or not right now?
And I was just like I said, ten years here
(23:17):
we going thirty, like, I'm done. You know, I'm just
I'm gonna just hang it up, you know, after the
season and and it was time. You know, I was
on my second team third season. Man, Genie was in Cleveland,
so you know, unless it was going somewhere else, I
was like, I'm not gonna be here, you know, or whatever.
(23:38):
But but I just, you know, I was done, man.
I just it's you know, it's the training that is.
It's not playing on Sunday. It's not playing on Sundays.
Sundays is good, dealing with the guys. Whether you win
little losing that that don't. That's not the issue. Is
it's when January hit well, shooting down it's later. But
(23:59):
you know when when off season hits, like, I jumped
right back into it, started training that process and started
getting building up, and I sacrificed everything, didn't do nothing,
you know, it was just all about getting ready for
the next season. And that's where that training with with
Shannon Sharp as a sixteen seventeen year old kid, I
(24:19):
saw how they trained, I saw his mentality, I saw
what he did his routine, and I kind of followed
that and it was just sacrificing everything for that. And
at the end of the day, I got the ten
years of doing that. It's like like you're breaking your
body down to build it up, you know, and held
it up to break it down. Yeah. Yeah, and then
doing that, you know, year and year out. It's just
(24:41):
like I just couldn't see it going in to another
year doing that. You know. Now, were you at peace
when you made the decision to retire? You were you?
Just like, I think I'm good. I feel good about it.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
No second thoughts, no regrets, no doubts.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Well I did. I did entertain the Saints probably probably
a few months before the season or something like that,
or maybe it was a little bit before the off season. Well,
during the off season, I did entertain that. I went
down to visit and they just needed a big bag
(25:16):
for you know, short yardist goal line because I think
Reggie Bush was there at time, Pierre one of them cats.
But I did entertain it, and I remember sitting there
with the GM at the time and he asked me,
you know, he asked me the question of like why,
like why, and I'm like why what? And he was
(25:37):
just like, well, why do you want to continue? You know? Playing? Wow?
You know, after ten years, why do you want the
team playing? And my answer was that you know, you
called me, so that's why I'm here. You know what
I mean. You called me so that's why I'm here.
(25:57):
You know what I mean. They didn't like that, and
it was like, you know, they didn't know if I
was going to buy into and that's that's when I said,
you know what, I'm really done. It wasn't inspiring.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Two been a great year to be there, though, Right,
it's crazy you got your second ring. Then we might
not have Mike Bell and we might have some of
the guys, our big power guys would have been.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
So no, that's it's crazy. I didn't even know that.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah, tell me this though, when did you get the
entrepreneurial buck?
Speaker 1 (26:31):
My my dad? My dad, man, I can't remember being
a five six year old, seven year old kid laying
the ball of my dad and he would just be watching,
uh to get rich quick? You know, guy is talking
about commercial investing and flipping your houses and all this
type of stuff. And I just remember my dad. He
(26:53):
ended up he worked for the railroad and then he uh,
he ended up returning and got a law shoot or
something with them, and he took his money and the
first thing he went to bought was a bunch of houses.
And uh so when I was growing up, that's what
he did, you know, and that's what that was, this thing,
you know, so that's what I saw. Uh My mom
(27:14):
was awarded at a prison, so she went to work
here nine to five every day, and then he would
just be in and out doing his thing. And I
kind of liked that, you know, what he was doing,
you know what I'm saying. So so basically when I
first got into the league, you know, that's when I started,
you know, and even in college, I would be around
boosters and guys like that. They had businesses, and I
(27:34):
was more intrigued with what they were doing, you know,
and how they was making their money. You know, I'm
trying to get to the NFL, but they're doing something else,
just trying to take dollars hands. I like it, the
n il So correction. So that's kind of how I
kind of got the bug. And when I did have
(27:55):
some money to go and invest and do my thing,
that's when I got into logistics and kind of started
you know, buying, you know, doing different businesses and trying
to jump into it and I lost my answer a
bunch of times, and I won a couple of times.
But at the same time, it's just something about going
in and and bringing the pieces together and building a
(28:16):
business and then seeing it, you know, either thrive or
or not in understanding what you did wrong and trying
to go back to the drawing board. So uh, that's
that's pretty much where I got it from.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
And you got a couple of them. Like so, I
never had the entrepreneur book, Entrepreneur buck like that just
that wasn't for me. Maybe as I get older, I'm
trying to, you know, be my own boss. Specifically for
this podcast, I try to be my own boss. But
we got a producer that is just like very himself,
So I'm trying to be my own boss and produce
(28:48):
my own shows.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I'm trying to.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Get him over throwing his hands and yeah, yeah, Thomas,
I'm joking. But you got you got to of them.
You got buyers connected in Southeast Exhibits. Can you talk
about or tell us what each of those companies does?
Speaker 1 (29:03):
So Southeast Exhibits and Events, we basically do a design
and build trade show. Boots.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I saw that on your website, so I thought these
companies just did that themselves, oh not knowing. This is
like third partied out that it's just easier.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah, so we're a third that's we're right, We're a
third party exhibit house. Yes, so you know some companies
they do do their own, okay, and they figure out
how hard it is and how much time goes into it.
So basically, we have the design team, we have everybody
to go and put the structure together. We got all
the components if it's if it's custom, we got wood
(29:42):
shop to build certain things whatever. We got the print
and the whole nine. So we deliver everything turn key
to our customers so they don't have to really do that.
So design, build, set up, breakdown, storage, so all the
way through the whole cycle of them going to a show,
ending the show, and then going to their next show,
(30:03):
and we will position all of that. So you got
some companies that got three stout shows a year. You
got some companies got twenty five, thirty fifty shows a year.
So we'll pretty much manage their whole event process. You know,
one stop shop, Yeah, one stop shop. Yeah. The website
is awesome, dude.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
It looks like when you know you're you're ordering like
the birthday situation for your your kids or you know,
you got the whole you know, the step and repeat background,
and you got the different options of what you want
to do here and this one and there.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
It's pretty dope, I was. But yeah, but you got
some boost that up like one hundred by one hundred.
So you got big hanging signs, you got walls, and
we got frames. It's like legos, you know, you just
build them and you have certain components so you can
add your doors, you can add you know, whatever you
really want. Can we can do it if you got
the money to pay for it, Like, but you'd be
(30:54):
surprised that would company pay for their marketing. That's marketing, right. Yeah,
So you know some of these companies going to these shows,
who was writing million dollar pos? So that booth is
what draws that person into that customer and so we
basically take their idea, you know, from ideation all the
way to reality to the show and a buyer connected.
(31:14):
We basically I started that company around you know labor.
You know, we have a lot of labor. So retail,
big box retail. So we go in and do the
resets remodels, refreshes, and things of that nature. When they
want to change around. If you go into Lows and
they have the lumber department or the plumbing department, they
(31:35):
want to change certain bays around and move product here
or there. Because not selling. We will go in and
rearrange that whole department at night. So when you go
into a home depot and you see something that's different,
it's not the same place it was two weeks ago.
They change it up, which is in the app and
stuff now. But you know, we'll go in at night
(31:56):
and execute that whole program. So we do the legit
six and everything else around that too, So making sure
the fixtures and everything get there. So like an Apple store,
you know, making sure that they have tables, they have
their wall, you know, units and things like that. I'm
not saying we do bitters with Apple, but at the
same time, it's a good picture. We most of us
(32:16):
have been into an Apple store, right, yes, So when
you see that, you know, speak, go and put it
out there for the people.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
So when you walk into these meetings with these potential clients,
like what's the impression the first impression you you usually
get when they see you.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
They well, the biggest barriers you gotta break, and being
a they don't really know.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
They don't take you serious. Okay, do they know it's
you initially? Sometimes yeah, go yeah, because I.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Go, I go to LinkedIn, I know to them or whatever,
and I, you know, I hit them up and and
I try to make that connection and then get that
meeting or whatever. So it's one of the things where
you can set the meeting, get the meeting, and I
might bring a partner or somebody within the space or whatever,
but sometimes I go by myself. But at the same time,
a lot of times they don't take you serious. They'll
(33:08):
ask you, you know, who am I supposed to be
talking to?
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Or who do do I need to talk to?
Speaker 1 (33:16):
And it's like you need to talk to me. But
once you get into the business and you started talking
about it and they know that you know what you're
talking about and you can answer the questions and this,
that and the other, and you're just not the face
or and all of that, then that's when you know
they kind of take you serious. But the first initial
(33:37):
thought is, you know, he's an athlete, you know whatever.
They look at what you did on the field and
this that and the other, and then it's your job
is now to flip that. You know, we can talk
about that, but then we flip it and then we're
gonna go into it. But at the same time, also
it's not like you're just gonna get business because of
who you are. Sometimes you can, but you got to
(33:58):
go and I prove that you work. Yeah right, yeah,
right right.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Do you ever just take time to sit back and just.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Look at yourself and sit down. I did that.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
I accomplished this, like look at look at you know,
I come from homebole beginnings. You know my background. I
struggle a little bit. I made it through the struggle.
I came out and clean on the other side. Like
you ever, just take time to just sit back and
just say, oh man, this is I got it pretty good.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Right now, I'm feeling pretty blessed. Yeah. Well, you know,
finishing up in two thousand and what nineteen and then,
you know, I had a truck and company at the
time that was spiraling just because of bad management and
me not being there or whatever and retiring and then
now having to go and fix that and try to
(34:45):
fix that and jump into a business that you've been
you know, you've had for six years plus and it
was doing great, and then you come to find out, oh, shoot,
you know it's been mismanaged or whatever. Right, that was hard.
You know that was hard because you know it either way,
it ate away money, you know what I'm saying. And
then you get into other trouble because you got all
(35:06):
this equipment, you got all these assets, and somebody they
won't come and say, hey, look we need to get that,
you know, or whatever. But going through those financial struggles,
going through those those business struggles or whatever like it
took me back to football. It made me regroup to say, like,
you are two thousand yard Russia, you are a national champion,
(35:28):
you are a Super Bowl champion. You have been instilled
a lot of different things. Now you got to use it.
And that's when I looked myself in the mirror and
regroup and basically started applying a lot of that. Now.
It took about ten years for me to rebuild, but
at the same time, I just stayed with it, sacrificed,
(35:49):
worked hard, dedicated myself to it. And then next thing
you know, it just started, it started turning. So, you know,
I've had a lot of businesses, but these are two
that it's stuck, you know what I'm saying. And I
found too that stuck and then I just kept working
at them. But you know, it's it's one of the
things where now I look back at it because football,
(36:10):
I made a lot of money playing football, and it's
it's great. But I didn't think about money while I
was playing football because I love to play the sport
and I could do it for free. But at the
same time, when you go out and you start a
business and you start earning capital and you got somebody
that like your product or your service, that's more gratifying
to me, honestly, And uh that's now I look at
(36:32):
myself and say, you've you know, you've done it, you know,
and just keep doing it.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
It's crazy how you take more pride in making the
dollar this way than when you were just playing football.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
You like, did I did that for free? I didn't
think of it that way.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
But going out and earning the dollar another way where
I'm doing it from a business point, how much more
pride you're taking that naturally, Just hearing you talk about
that's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
And just building it up and you know, it's like
jumping into another industry of going to do another thing.
Like you know, you went from from youth football to
middle school football, to high school to college and every
step was a different one and you had to get
in there and get your angle and figure out how
you're going to fit in. And I think that after
(37:18):
retiring from football, you got to do the same thing
because you ain't play football no more. Yeah, so now
let's go, let's get over here this lane, and let's
go try to be successful.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
So in twenty eighteen in a Bleacher Report article, you
said in the interview that you a battle with depression
and suicide and wasn't sure how you'd feel in five, ten,
fifteen years from that.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
That was in twenty eighteen. It's been six years. How
do you feel. I feel good, man, I feel good.
But I think knowing and learning how to cope with
those things depression and you know, the thoughts that I've had,
and a lot of that was when stuff hit the fan,
you know, whatever, and it's a deep dive. That's when
(38:03):
you start having those current thoughts whatever. But you know, now,
that's why, you know, with business it's so helpful and
it's like therapy because when I can go out and
I can sell a deal or I can get a
deal closed. That's a when you know what I mean,
and some of my worst days or when you know
you're not getting some of them wins and it's passing
(38:24):
you by, or the economy is down, or you know,
nobody spending money and you know it's at a hole,
and that's when you kind of got to realize where
you're at and know how to address it. And that's
that's that's hard. But now I feel I feel pretty good,
you know whatever. But I still deal with certain things.
(38:44):
But it's knowing how to deal with it. And I
got good family and friends and people like that, and
the good support and cast around me, so that's helpful. Yeah,
I've had a lot of people. I've had a great
supporting cast.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Helped me in my life and through my ups and downs,
my successes, my failures. I've always had my crew of
people kind of right there next to me. If you
had four people to pick on Mount Rushmore, who would
those four people be that has helped you get to
where you are today?
Speaker 1 (39:15):
I had to say my mom, I had to say
my dad, my mom. She was always just there, you
know what I mean, Like then, no matter what, Yeah,
and you know, rubbing my legs down when I'm tired,
or in you know, running track in high school, or
I wanted a new pair of shoes or whatever. She
was gonna make sure that happened. My dad, because he
(39:36):
threw me out the car and made me go play football,
got me out of the house, and you know, provided
made sure that I had everything I needed in order
to be successful with my brother, because he just instilled
hardworking me and how to go out there and outwork
your opponent and outwork your teammates and do things different.
And I would say my high school coach because he
(39:56):
basically got me to start running track. And he actually,
you know, was one of those guys that you didn't
want to disappoint and you saw him every day at school,
so you had to behave at school. You had to
make good grades because he was going to approach you.
And he just he saw something in me early on
that I didn't and he was just like he put
(40:17):
me in that, you know, that category. And because I remember,
I asked him like why, you know, why can't I
go to camps? Why can't I go here there? You
know that these are these little deals, and he was
like you know, because you recruited by everybody, you know,
I mean, you can go there to college you want
to go to. So honestly, like, why go to that?
Because he said, I know your I know your weaknesses.
(40:38):
They don't, so why go out there show you know
what I mean? So he told me that later on too,
so it was like I was like, Okay, that's why.
But but yeah, but those are the four. Those are
good four. I love it.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Hey, man, we appreciate you coming on the show.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
This is a good conversation. Yeah, man, I never got
the chance to meet you up.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
I just know you from a far for a very
long time, from Tennessee, being a you know, being from
Alabama growing up in the SEC. Seeing you have a
great college career, continue to dominate right through the NFL,
sharing great stories, personal stories, even your trials and tribulations,
and being on the other side of it, hey being
a check his website the trade show stuff. I definitely legit.
(41:21):
I remember reading about it. I just never did I
didn't go to the Honesty website. Last night, bro, I
was just like, man, this is nice. We like, very nice.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Man.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
I appreciate you, no man doubt man, And hey, look
just keep doing your thing, keep staying on this side
of it.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Man.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
We appreciate you for pouring into us, and hopefully everybody
else will see this and we'll continue to pour into
Jamal and everything else that he has going on, and
he will continue to.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Pour out to us.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
For all of our viewers and listeners out there, Thank
you guys for always tuning in.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Make sure you give us a five star rating.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
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Give us a like, review, comment, subscribe anything else. Watch
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Speaker 1 (42:02):
I knew I was gonna get I'm gonna get one
of the I'm can get one today. All you do.
I appreciate that man.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
That's you alsome, my guy, because I'm gonna tell you
the tell a friend to tell a friend to do
what tell a friend? Check us out, man, wherever you
pick it up at Peanut, y'all watching us. I'm Peanutsman.
This Roman Harper our special guest, Jamal Lewis a We
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