August 12, 2025 • 42 mins
NFL Network Insiders Tom Pelissero and Judy Battista report on James Cook returning to the practice field and ending his nine-day hold-in from Bills camp. They turn their attention to Commanders camp, where Mike Garafolo explains why Terry McLaurin has decided to continue his hold-in. Brian Baldinger and Steve Wyche check in to discuss their concern over Matthew Stafford's back injury, and Brian shares his top takeaways from Preseason Week 1. Then, Brian and Mike break down the quarterback situations for both New York teams. Michael F. Florio stops by to share his Week 1 overreactions from a fantasy perspective. Plus, Jane Slater reports on the “risk” the Cowboys are taking with Micah Parsons, and Steve Wyche explains why Tyler Shough has made a valiant effort thus far in his pursuit of the starting QB position. Finally, Brian and Steve weigh in on rookies who need a “well-rested win” in Week 2 of the preseason!
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Running back on the field again, But is this just
the latest false start in a long drive towards the deal.
We will tell you the latest on James Cook's contract
talks as the NFL's leading touchdown score returns the practice.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Terry McLaurin was also.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Back on the field today, but just out there having
a nice little chat with GM. Adam Peters, still not
in uniform as his hold in continues. Hear what Commanders
coach Dan Quinn had to say about the veteran wide
receiver's status. The Packers also will not have their quarterback
Jordan Love on the field anytime soon thanks to surgery
today for a thumb injury. We will break down why
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Green Bay brass says they are not concerned about Love
hurting again. Welcome inside with the Insiders, presented by SATFA
alongside Judy Batista. I am Tom Pellisero. Mike Girofolo will
be along shortly. We are twenty three days out right
now from the opener, just three days away from the
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second full preseason week, and maybe just maybe a small
sign of progress for one of Buffalo's most important players
to be out there prior to week one. That is
running back James Cook, the pro bowler who was on
the field today, had begun a hold in about a
week ago by telling reporters at the time it was
business well, that business is not yet complete. He does
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not have a new contract, leading reporters to ask Sean
mcderbott today, what changed.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
I would say so, I would say so that things
have changed to Lena with and yes, we've had conversations
with James, good conversations, as I've mentioned before, and the
information that we're getting is that he is moving in
the direction of practicing today.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
So this has been an ongoing process, Judy, going all
the way back to February and March, where we saw
all those deals the Bills got done with the likes
of Christian Benford and Greg Russo in the offseason, James Cook.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Was the priority. They couldn't get a deal done.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Then it's been this back and forth on and off
between Cook and the Bills. To me, just looking at
this from the outside in, this appears to be a
show of good faith from James Cook. I'll get back
on the field now, let's see if we can actually
bring this thing across the goal line.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
I feel like the last few weeks with all of
these hold in and hold out situations where like reading
the tea leaves and trying to read body language. And
I think on this one, right, this is sort of
an incremental step in the right direction. Sean McDermott was
very careful to say, not to say that the hold
in is over right. They're not going to jump ahead here,
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but he is practicing, which is a change. He was
not practicing for a while. Remember the game last weekend.
He dressed and then did not play in the game,
which caught some of them by surprise. So this seems
to at least be a little bit of a thaw
in where the relationship was just a few days ago.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And that's a good thing. They need him.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
He scored sixteen rushing touchdowns last season. This team is
ever so close to getting to the Super Bowl. They
need James Cook to be on the field. And I
know Tom, in the past you've reported they're not really
that far apart. So I mean, this certainly seems to
be on the James Cook side, maybe not extending the
olive branch, but at least stepping forward and trying to
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meet the team halfway. As we get further into the preseason,
and you get closer to the opener. All of these
teams that have these contract situations unresolved, you would think
they're going to want to start to wrap things up
now coming up in the next week to two weeks.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
This James Cook situation is also unfolded in a rare
public fashion surrounding the bills. You have not had hold
ins since Brandon Bean and Sean McDermott got there. They've
not had things play out in the media. But of
course you had some comments back in the spring, and
negotiations did not go the way that James Cook wanted to.
He said at one point I want fifteen million dollars
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per ye, which would put him in that rare air
with the likes of Christian McCaffrey and more recently Saquon
Barkley and Derrick Henry on their extensions. My innerstanding is
at this point he's not asking for fifteen He's looking
at a number that is closer to Kyron Williams, who
just got done at eleven million dollars per year. It
would seem like that created an extremely clear baseline for
these negotiations here, but there's always a back and forth.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
I have said it one hundred times.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I'll make it one hundred and one right here, Judy,
They're not that far apart. But there is no close.
There's only done, and this deal is not yet done.
Terry McLaurin and the Commanders, on the other hand, not
seemed all that close. In fact, have been on very
different pages throughout the offseason. Now we're putting this in
the hold in bucket, even though technically Terry McLaurin is
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on the physically unable to perform list, had a real
ankle injury and the last season rehabited for a while.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
That's what he's been doing.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
But today, for the first time, he was at least
spotted on the field during in practice.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Here's what coach Dan Quinn had to say.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
Look, you want everybody as to coach out on the
field at every practice, every game. I also know that that's
that's not reality either, and so I just try to
make sure a man like just keep pouring into the guys,
keep digging into it. But I know it is, you know,
part of our game where you know you don't have
everybody all the time. It does in some ways there's contingencies.
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How do you work how he featured guys, and so
I was kind of referring to like debo maybe getting
more connection time to go. But as far as like
where I'm at, I also like, I'm aware things happen,
you know, and you adjust, and that's kind of what
coaching is, you know, and you don't have your full
roster all the time.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Mike has ended his hold in from the show about
five minutes in here Mike, Terry McLaurin and the Commanders.
This one has also played up publicly. There's been a
recent trade request. It's obvious everybody acknowledges that Terry McLaurin
needs to get an upgrade on his contract, But there's
a difference between everyone acknowledging, Hey, he does deserves more money,
and how much more money that actually is?
Speaker 6 (06:03):
Where do we stand right now? For what you understand
and w wasthed it? Yeah, I wasn't asking for more money.
I just went to a parking spot. Chris Brown, I'm
at Giants. Chris Brown's playing MetLife Stadium the night. Who
knew Chris Brown? Still a thing? All those people knew.
So if you sell a car driving over grass and
medians and curbs, you're probably cursing me out. I'm sorry,
I wasn't going where you're going. I'll make it up
to you have a spot for you in about fifty
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four minutes. As for Terry McLaren, that conversation that he
had with Adam Peters on the field today at Camp,
a lot of folks said, oh, that's great.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Look at that. They're communicating. They've been communicating.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
Let's not forget Terry McLaren hugged owner Josh Harris the
day that we were at camp there. This is not
something where they're just walking through the hallways and giving
each other dirty looks and obscene gestures. I mean, this
has been a professional thing the whole time. It's just business. Tom,
you talked about the numbers for James Cook. Terry McLaren
is looking at a wide receiver market that's up to
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forty million dollars per year. He ain't looking for that,
I can promise you he's not looking for top of
the market. But he went somewhere a little bit lower
than that. We saw DK metcalf come in the mid thirties.
So Terry McLaurin looking for something more in that neighborhood.
Washington has been obviously well below that so this conversation, sure,
this is all good. His presence, it's all good. But
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like you said, Tom, there is no close until this
thing gets done. And I don't get the sense that
they are close until this thing gets done.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
We are not close.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
This has been like the most respectful holdout hold in
I've ever seen. The reporters who were there at Commander's
practice today said that that conversation that we just saw
on tape there ended with the GM patting him on
the back. So that's how nice everybody's being. Fact of
the matter is they need Terry McLaurin. As the practice
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today showed. They had like an intrasquad game Burgundy versus Gold,
and the reports from that game are that the defense,
the first team defense, completely shut out the first team offense.
Jayden Daniels could not get any going Jade and Daniels
apparently had one of his worst practices of the summer.
That is part of the problem that without Terry mcluurin,
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there are other than Deepo Samuel, none of the other
wide receivers have really stepped forward to seize a big role.
So it's imperative that they get Terry McLaurin in He
is so important to Jade and Daniel's development and his
continued success. The fact that they are not close is
not great, but the fact that they have been so
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respectful and so professional about this at least gives you
a hope that at some point they're going to be
able to have a meeting of the minds because it
hasn't splintered, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
A decade ago, there was no such thing as a
hold in. Nobody did this. It's become more commonplace, but
you'd be hard pressed to find a lot of years
where you're sitting there August twelfth, left and four weeks
out from week one, and you got five of them.
At least. There's some other ones that are questionable. The
guys have real injuries. Are they choosing not to practice?
But James Cook, Terry mclaur and Michael Parsons, we'll talk
about that a little later on with Jane Slater. Trey
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Henderson that one's been at a standoff since he reported
about a week INDO camp, and then Cam Hayward coming
out publicly yesterday and saying just one year after he
signed a new three year deal, he again wants his
contract upgraded. Here has not been fully participating through the
course of training camp. So five situations with five pretty
big name players to keep an eye on. No bigger
name right now in Green Bay than Jordan Love, who,
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on this play right here where he kind of got
sandwiched in the preseason oper ended up suffering what was
described as.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
A ligament issue in his thumb.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
He is now set to go undergo surgery that happened
earlier on this morning. GM Brian Goodakoons doesn't sound all
that concern.
Speaker 7 (09:39):
Jordan is having a little procedure done on his left
thumb that he heard in the game.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
We'll put him out a little bit a while.
Speaker 7 (09:45):
Hope I'm back at practice next week and shouldn't miss
any reglar season time.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
The hope is the Jordan Love will be back on
the field in about a week or so. The hope
is that Matthew Stafford was going to only miss a
week or so at the start a Rams training camp.
Yet here we are still know Matthew Stafford on the field.
This situation ramping up and maybe cause a little more
concerned in the past few days given the fact that
Sean McVay had said over the weekend that Stafford went
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through about a sixty five throw workout. Everything went well,
no restriction is going to be out there Monday to
individual drills, and then Monday came and went No Stafford.
Still no Stafford today, as we welcome in our Brian
Baldier to the conversation as well as Steve White. Steve,
you based out here. You spent a lot of time
around this team. The optics are one thing, but in
the building, what is the level of concern right now
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in Stafford?
Speaker 8 (10:34):
It doesn't seem like it's a ton of concern right now.
First off, the RAMS training staff is among the best
in the NFL, and these guys know Matthew Stafford. Sean
McVay is not a guy who operates out of urgency.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
But that said, the RAMS aren't if they're not worried.
Speaker 8 (10:47):
About Matthew Stafford. Possibly get in Week one, that's one thing,
but can he get through Week seventeen that's the other thing.
Let's not forget Matthew Stafford is thirty seven years old.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
And Baldy, when I look at this, I just can't
think of how we.
Speaker 8 (11:00):
Kind of downplayed matt Ryan at the end of his
career when he was around the same age with shoulder injuries,
Drew Brees the same, Aaron Rodgers the same look. As
you age, you don't heal as quickly or as strongly.
I think with Matthew Stafford, the issue, more so when
it comes to concern, is getting him through the season,
because this is a vastly different team with Matthew Stafford
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and a healthy Matthew Stafford and not having him or
at least having him where he's actually capable and functioning
like Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
So here's the big question here, Baldy, there's an unknown.
Of course, it's a low back issue. These can be unpredictable.
I speak on that from experience and not even play
quarterback in the NFL. In the world though, where Matthew
Stafford is not ready to go, how big of a
drop off is it to the number two option, a
guy in Jimmy Garoppolo, who in a very similar system
we've seen play well enough to get to a Super Bowl.
Speaker 9 (11:50):
Well, I mean, Jimmy's got over sixty career starts, so
he started a game for the Rams a year ago.
At the end of the season. They're capable hands, but
there is no replacing matt Stafford in his arm and
his vision and how he sees the field and the
timing that he has with Puka and some of the
receivers is it's very rare. His anticipation they're throwing it
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to a spot. I mean, he's rare. To Steve's point here,
I'm not concerned. I mean, anytime you have a disc injury,
you're concerned about the health of the player, like that's
not to be fooled around with him.
Speaker 10 (12:23):
They're not.
Speaker 9 (12:24):
But at the same time, this might almost be a
blessing and that it's all about getting this team to
the postseason. Stafford has played seven postseason games for the Rams.
They've got a Super Bowl, they won another one, and
so missing time right now isn't paramount. It's not urgent.
I believe that if he sat out up until September fifth,
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he'd be ready to go against Buffalo, you know, in
that opening game of the season. And so just because
of his ability to see the field and make every throw,
he can still do all of that. But Jimmy Garoppolo's
next guy up. Tom They'll ride Jimmy if there is
any issues this year. He's been really very healthy. Talking
about Stafford, very healthy the last two years, a lot
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of playoff appearances, six playoff games the last two years,
and a Super Bowl. So he has figured out how
to manage the season. That's what they're trying to do
right now.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
As Sean McVay said on Monday, when I asked about
the possibility surgery, that's not been any part of the conversation.
If some of this did become long term and the
coaches weren't comfortable with Jimmy Garoppolo, there is a guy
in Atlanta who's had some success playing this exact offense,
is currently making twenty seven point five million dollars as
a backup. We'll stay tuned on that. We are still
looking back here, Balty. We have not talked to you
since Week one of the preseason ended.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Here.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
What's your biggest takeaway? What were you saying coming out
of that first week?
Speaker 9 (13:43):
Well, you know, the team that I saw in my
training camp tour was and the best team I saw
was Baltimore. And when you watch Baltimore and you watch
him practice, and you know obviously Lamar and Derrick Henry
and you know all the big names, but this Mike Green,
the rookie Mike Green, Marshall, their second round pick who
fell to them because of some off the field issues
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in college.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
I mean I watched him.
Speaker 9 (14:06):
He played thirty three snaps in the opening preseason game,
and he threw every kind of pass rush move you
could throw at somebody. I saw five different moves like
he had no fear, Like this spin right there, obviously
against Ohio State was caught a lot of people's eyes.
But I saw him spin. I saw him speed, the power.
I saw him dip and rip, I saw him crosschop.
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I mean, he was not afraid to throw his repertoire
in the preseason, and it caught my eye because he's
being coached by Chuck Smith, who's a great pass rush
specialist coach to begin with. He's in an organization that
recognizes what a true edge pass rusher looks like. They
led the league in sacks two years ago in this
type of defense. I just think that he's got a
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very bright future. Sometimes it takes a rookie defensive lineman
a red shirt year to figure it out, but I'm
not going to be surprised if he has success this
year with his ability.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Right now, Baldy, I love you talking about edge. You guys.
Speaker 8 (15:02):
That means I get to talk about offensive lineman. And
I want to go to the Minnesota Vikings because in
watching their preseason game, first off, JJ McCarthy coming back,
he looked very clean thirteen play opening drive.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
In their series.
Speaker 8 (15:14):
But let's go guard center guard all three new players,
right They've got Will Fryes, the rookie Donovan Scott and
then Ryan Kelly and Bawd. You know this, More and
more teams are building their team guard to guard guard
center guard, and they look real solid right there. So
that's a good thing for McCarthy. You're seeing it bouncing
it a little bit here, but this is going to
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help their run game. This is going to stop some
those a gap blat a gap blitzes that teams like
to get through. And I also want to make a
note on the other side of the ball. One thing
the Vikings do well is they're undrafted free agent takes.
Elijah Williams upper ninety nine, the defensive tackle out of
Morgan State, the MIAC Defensive Player of the Year, showed
up two tackles, two quarterback hits, someone to keep an
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eye on. To add to depth of a very strong
defensive front.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Hard Grave, Jonathan Allen together editions. They're trying to build it.
This is what they analyzed in the offseason was we
need to get bigger and more physical on the interior
of booth lines. There's been a lot of money to
do it. We'll see how that shakes. We get to
the real thing. Monday Night football in week one.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
And half for the.
Speaker 11 (16:17):
Giants back to throw Dart out of the shotgun, goes
to the left side, touchdown Giants, but.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Jordan Huckphrey pulling it in.
Speaker 11 (16:28):
And Jackson dot Texas Steel on his big blue Korea
said hey, that's it.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
There's let's do it again. Go through first touch past
bringing down Darty. He love you all boys, now step stacking.
Here we go big.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
All four Giants quarterbacks played last week and pretty good
outing by all of them. Of course, that is the past,
the touchdown pass that everybody is talking about Jackson Dart.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Here is Brian Dabele on his rookie quarterback.
Speaker 12 (17:23):
Just to continue to improve, be some good learning experiences
like there for every practice or every preseason game, and
go out there and compete and you know, probably make
some mistakes, learn from them and continue to grow everything.
Every practice every preseason game, every joint practice is important,
particularly for a young quarterback.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Mike and Baldy join me, Judy Batista. All right, Mike,
you and I were out at the Giants a few times.
We know how excited they are about Russell Wilson and
Jackson Dart. Russ is the current starter. Jackson Dart they
hope is the future starter. But they've got four guys
on the roster right now. How does all of this shakeout, Judy?
Speaker 6 (18:01):
I mean, you're gonna have to make a tough decision
at some point if you're the Giants, because let's say
it's Tommy DeVito, who's fourth in the pecking order right now,
a guy that has won games for your franchise before.
I mean potentially, and there are teams with some quarterback
needs out there. This could be a cutdown day type
of thing, and maybe some kind of a pick swap
and you're getting some value. I know that there's been
people talking about Jamis, but I know they love what
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Jamis brings to this building, what Jamis brings to that
quarterback room, So I just don't see them moving him
at that point.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
So maybe you get.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
Some value for DeVito, or maybe you've got to move
on from him, and he needs to get a fresh
start somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
But I know that when they're looking at Jackson Dart.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
Right now and Jamis was listed as the two, could
Dart show them enough or has he showed them enough?
Speaker 2 (18:43):
And can he continue to do that?
Speaker 6 (18:44):
Baldy to say, this is a guy that you're confident
in as your number two, that if something happens to
Russell Wilson early in the season, that you can go
right to Jackson Dart.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Can he show that.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
He's able to run the operation as smoothly as he
did in Buffalo. He gonna be a challenge for him
the next couple of games here.
Speaker 9 (19:03):
Well, he played thirty snaps Mike, and you know, obviously
in a second drive he threw the touchdown to little
Jordan Humphrey. It was a great throw and he got
hit on the play. He stood tall in the pocket,
took the hit. I don't even think he saw the
completion he was on the ground. However, he did a
great job of taking care of the ball, protecting the
ball under pressure, navigating the pocket for some scrambles, led
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the team in rushing with three scrambles. He did a
lot of good things, and so you know what Mike
said in what Brian Dables said was, you know, continue
to improve. Everybody wants to see him this weekend. I'm
going to see himorrow morning with a scrimmage to the Jets.
I'm looking forward to seeing just how he practices, if
some of the things we saw on tape this weekend
carry over to the practice field and then carry over
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to the preseason game against the Jets. But there's a
lot of optimism because of all the little things that
he did, protecting the ball, navigating the pocket, not taking
off when protection broke down a little bit.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I thought it was really.
Speaker 9 (20:02):
Really a clean game on his part and a reason
why I think every Giant fan is excited at this point.
And the fact that he broke the team down one, two, three,
Go Blue. I mean, that's got to be a good
feeling right there in that locker room amongst a lot
of veteran players.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
All Right, the Giants and Jets are actually having joint practices.
They had one today, they will have one tomorrow, and
then of course they play the Giants Jets game this weekend.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
So let's talk about the Jets.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
They have a new quarterback too, and he did pretty
well in week one. Also Justin Fields. Here's Aaron Glenn
on his quarterback.
Speaker 13 (20:38):
It seemed like I keep telling you guys the same
thing every day about who he is. He's a mature
man and the outside noise does not bother him. And
I don't know how many times I got to say this,
but it's not going to change with him. He's going
to continue to get better and better and better and
not allow anything on the outside to bother him and
just do his job and keep improving.
Speaker 10 (20:58):
Man, those are.
Speaker 13 (20:59):
Like, really some trace that I liked about him, that
he's just unphased and he's always.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Here, all right, Pauldi, you and I were out there
back together weekend at the Jets, so we got an
early glimpse of Justin Fields. Where were your impressions of
how he and the offense operated this weekend?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Well?
Speaker 9 (21:15):
The offensive line played well. Joe Tipman played left guard
for John Simpson. He played very well. Armand Membu the
rookie played very well. They ran the ball very well
this past weekend, and Justin Fields was a benefactor of
all of that.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
They protected him very well up front.
Speaker 9 (21:29):
Right here, he took what the defense gave him up
in lambeau Field finished the drive off with this scramble
right here of thirteen yards for a touchdown. AG knows
coach Aaron Glenn knows that he could do this. He
did this as the Chicago Bear against the Lions quite
a bit. But I thought he saw the field very well.
He took what the defense gave him. It was a
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very productive opening drive there, and I thought the offensive
line really played well as a group. And you could
see that right side of Ali Vera Tucker along with
armand Membu. You can see the development and the timing
between those two players right there. And then you know,
Josh Myers is a competition at center right now. Josh
looked very good. He was former Green Bay Packers starting center.
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He was in there this weekend. But I thought the
group played real well, including the tight ends. And so
that's promising right now because if they can run the
ball the way they want to with three good backs,
I think that they've got the potential being a really
good offense.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
Yeah, and if he continues to play well in the preseason,
he'll get his confidence up. Their confidence in him. You
heard Eron Glenn talk about that they have a similar
disposition Aaron Glenn and Justin Field. Glenn probably a little
bit more fiery, right, and he comes from that defensive
my frame. But this is a good match and they
felt like that. This has been a good match this
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entire offseason and into the summer between these two guys,
and they knew each other well. I mean, Aaron Glenn
a game planned against Justin Field, so he knew what
he could bring. And I agree with that, and I
know that they feel that about Fields is that he's
unwavering and he's confident in himself. Like you can have
your criticisms about Justin Fields maybe not playing up to
his draft potential over this first portion of his career,
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but it's not because he melted. It's not because of
a lack of confidence. It's not because he can't handle
being a starting quarterback mentally in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
He can. And that's why they.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
Feel like they've got a good base to work with.
And all these stops that he's made along the way,
I mean a.
Speaker 10 (23:28):
Couple of stops.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
There's my two stops along the way have only prepared
him for right now and what he is going to
be for the Jets. They feel good about their starting
quarterback right now and his performance in Week one of
the preseasons.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Cemented that I agree, Aaron Glenn has been high on
Justin Fields really since they got Fields into the building.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Mike Baldi, thank you very much. I know you guys
will both be back.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
And when we are back, did you hear that Shador
Sanders had a really good NFL debut where you're going
to hear even more of it, and then Michael.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
F Florio is going to join us.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
We're going to be talking about fantasy over reactions when
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Browns fans, if you want to see Chador Sanders this preseason,
maybe the regular season. The way that he's playing, I
wouldn't say necessarily Week one, but certainly an impressive debut
for Sanders week one of the preseason, and even Miles
Garrett was impressed.
Speaker 14 (24:52):
I want to feel one of those swipes though, one
of his aggressive, like you know grabs. I want to
just see if I can get out of it.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Du you a good kid. I don't want to hurt you.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
Can't put your teammates in the in the graveyard there, Miles,
trust me, he's impressed. Michael f Florio, I'm always impressed
with you, and it is time for Week one overreaction. Wait,
and that's supposed to wait till Week one of the
regular season. Well, I guess we can do that in
the preseason as well. Some folks already overreacting against they're
getting ready for their fantasy drafts. A lot of folks said,
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Ashton Genty going to hit the ground running in the NFL.
Wait a second, am I overreacting to say he should
be lowered on some draft boards because of his Week
one preseason performance.
Speaker 10 (25:43):
Ashton Genty right now is free falling faster than my
Mets because everyone knows that three preseason calgories matters more
than running for twenty seven hundred yards and thirty touchdowns
in college, breaking the PFF mistackle sports record, and being
the sixth overall pick right like, it's a huge overreaction.
It is three carries, who cares. No one is going
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to remember this a week from now, let alone when
week one of the regular season hits. But people are
wondering where to draft ash and gent and I think
he is a good target in the second round. He
is going to be the focal point of this offense.
Pete Carroll loves to feed his RB one during his
heyday in Seattle when the Seahawks were at their best,
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the Seahawks routinely were top three in rushing attempts. Chip
Kelly runs the ball a lot. He is my RB eight,
fine second round pick. But Traveon Henderson he is climbing
up draft boards for me. I love Traveon Henderson. I
will keep saying it. It's like he was built in
a lab to succeed for fantasy football purposes. He has
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the elusiveness and the high end speed for plenty of
big plays. Strong pass blocker will get him on the
field in passing downs. Good receiver that should lead to
plenty of PPR points. And he is on Mike Rabral's offense.
Those teams have never ranked worse than eleventh in rushing
attempts in Rabel's entire time as a head coach. He
will be my most drafted running back this summer. I
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have him ranked at RB fifteen and I'm considering bumping
him up. But I'm already the high guy on Trevion Henderson.
You saw why last Friday. Make sure to target him
in the middle rounds of your fantasy drafts this summer.
Speaker 6 (27:22):
Rimandre s Davis has still there expected to see the football.
But yeah, I understand your optimism on Henderson after his
Week one performance. I was in Baltimore for the Colts
Ravens game and I saw Tyler Warren catch three balls
for forty yards, and I said, you know what size
jacket is? He start fitting them for Cannon Ken overreaction
or not that he's the next great tight end.
Speaker 10 (27:44):
I was in Canton this past weekend. I think they
were already sizing it up for him. Yeah, I don't
think this is an overreaction at all. I love Tyler
Warren heading into this season. It didn't matter who was
in at quarterback on Thursday, he was the top target
and I think that could be the case when the
season starts, because Warren is a huge target who can
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operate well in the middle of the field and is
a yak monster. And that matters because both Colts quarterbacks,
statistically in their career are at their best when they
are targeting the middle of the field. He is my
tight end six, and I think he continues this run
of great rookie tight ends for fantasies we've seen in
recent years Kyle Pitts, Sam Laporter, Brock Bauers, Tyler Warren,
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and then cam Ward Right the least talked about number
one overall pick in sports history. He looks good, but
making him a QB one in fantasy would be a
big overreaction. Look. I know he's got a strong arm.
He could run a bit. He's not going to run
enough to become a fantasy QB one like Jayden Daniels
or bow Knicks did last year. I still have him
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as a QB two, a low end one at that,
but there is upsid here and what I love more
than anything, he is going to help elevate the Titans
pass catchers. He was targeting Calvin Ridley early. Calvin Ridley,
I have him as a top twenty wide receiver even
though he's being drafted closer to thirty. And then Chig Aquonco,
the big talented tight end there. He is a sleeper
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in this offense as well. So cam Ward means good
things for all those Titan pass catchers.
Speaker 6 (29:16):
Yeah, last year, Michael f Florio, you helped me draft
my team, which, by the way, I think I may
need you to do again. We're Friday, I'm ready night
at seven o'clock Eastern. I think we have a show,
so we may do it live again. But we hit
on Jaydon Daniels last year, so you can hit on
a rookie and he can carry your team if you
get it right, and Michael left Floria often gets it right.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Thank you very much.
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Slash Network Terms and condition apply. Joe Milton did so
many positive things in his preseason Cowboys debut that Jerry
Jones said after the game he's got to pinch himself
that they were able to get Milton away from the
New England Patriots seventeen of twenty nine, a touchdown, an
interception and a stake to the claim of being the
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number two quarterback.
Speaker 15 (30:19):
Perhaps, I think you know our plan all along has
been that we need to find out about Joe Milton.
And again, under no circumstance do I am I panicked
or worried about Joe Milton. Joe Milton played really well
in the second half. He did some really good things.
He calmed down, he figured it out. But I'd be
crazy if I didn't say to you how impressed them
with Will Greer. I mean, all the guy does is
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when given opportunities, And like I said, we communicate very
clearly with our players. So like the scrimmage against the Rams,
we told them, hey, man, bunch, you drink some water
and hang out, and next thing you know, he's in
the game.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Welcome back to the Insiders, presented by Santa Tom Pelliserra
here in Los Angeles, joined now by Jane Slater Jay
And this is the first time in a number of years,
the Cowboys haven't had one of the more stable backup
quarterback situations in the NFL, with Cooper Rush having been
there and answered when called upon when Dak Prescott has
been hurt basia what you saw from Joe Milton to
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what you're hearing right now, where do we stand in
terms of the backup plan behind Deck?
Speaker 2 (31:18):
I think it's still to be determined.
Speaker 16 (31:20):
Brian Schottenheimer was asked this week if he was going
to start this weekend who his backups were, and Shoddy
essentially said that he doesn't feel pressed to make that
decision right now.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
He doesn't have to.
Speaker 16 (31:30):
What they're trying to do with the preseason is a
true evaluation of their quarterback situation. If you think about it, Tom,
you know you have OTAs with Will Greer and of
course Joe Milton, but you don't have a lot of
live action.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
So that's why you're getting him in the preseason now.
Speaker 16 (31:46):
Shoddy also pointed out he had his fastball, but at
times he needs to change it up.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
That's what we've seen in the times.
Speaker 16 (31:51):
I've been at camp, when I've looked at some of
these videos at some of the beat guys have put
out he's got an arm.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
I mean it's a cannon.
Speaker 16 (31:57):
I don't think I can say on air what it's
a golf term that Schottenheimer used to describe it last week.
I'll start it with a P missile. How's that that works?
So if you're familiar with the term and golf. But
the issue at times has been there, you go. The
issue at times has been his accuracy, and so I
think they liked that he just settled in a bit.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
He looked better towards the end.
Speaker 16 (32:19):
But why are we talking importance of a backup quarterback? Well,
thanks to our research department, I had him look this up.
Nine teams had a backup QB as their starter by
the end of the season, and almost half of the
league had their backup start a game at some point
during the season. And we have certainly seen in Dallas
Dak Prescott with some of his injuries, but also Dak
Prescott in his rookie campaign that twenty sixteen year. The
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Cowboys saw Tony Rummel get injured and then Kellen wore
and then obviously that led to the ascension of Dak Prescott.
So a backup quarterback in the absence of someone that
Cooper Rush, who has been so reliable for them had been.
It's important to figure out who your backup guy is,
and that's why we're talking about him here on The Insiders, Tom, you.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Know, the backup quarterback.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
When we're talking about that with the Cowboys, that means
there's not a ton of other issues, but they do
have one kind of big one here, and that is
Micah Parsons, who still is not practicing, has been on
and off the field because of supposed back soreness. Clearly,
he has made abundantly clear that he is not happy
with where things are at from a contract negotiation standpoint,
something that owner Jerry Jones has kind of danced around,
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including last night at his Netflix documentary premiere.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
You have bigger risk to paint or trade Figer. You
talk about risk, You know about risks. As far as
it is today, you've.
Speaker 15 (33:32):
Got all of outs.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
So there's Jerry.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
We have not really heard anything direct at this point,
Jane in terms of the Cowboys even being willing to
consider trade talks. We know Jerry has tamped all of
it down. Where do we stand right now from the
team's respectives, well with Mike's perspective about the lack of
really even communication in terms of trying to get an
extension done.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
You know, this trade talks interesting.
Speaker 16 (33:57):
You and I have talked about this offline over the
last two years Micah, about Micah and this possibility of trade.
In other words, there were whispers of it, but Jerry
was the one to shoot it down. And why was
MICA's name getting tossed around. Well, he's probably their best
player that they've had in a He's a generational player,
and if you're kind of resetting the team as they
did with Shotenheimer and some of the moves that they've
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made in the off season, he'd make a lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
I mean, you could get a generational haul for him.
Speaker 16 (34:23):
So trading him now doesn't make a lot of sense, Tom,
And that's because the Cowboys still have the rights to
his contract. He has one more year. They have two
franchise tags that they can use. Micah is saying and
maintains that he has a back issue.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
So that's why we haven't seen him at practice. It
hasn't been a hold.
Speaker 16 (34:39):
In so to speak, but the body language on the
sidelines you can tell it's he's getting frustrated. I think
more than anything, both sides are shocked, quite frankly, that
it's gotten to this point. If you listen to these
guys talk about their relationship throughout the last two years.
You know, I had Micah Parsons talking about me and
in his box the Super Bowl and bragg that he
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had Jerry Jones's cell phone number, and Jerry bragging that
he's one of the few players that had the cell
phone number. So the question is, why can't you just
work this thing out? I still maintain we've got August
nineteenth to circle. That's when the Gambler comes out. That'd
be really good press buzz for the Netflix. And if
you laugh at that notion and the possibility of that,
all I have to tell you is he essentially said
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what he has told us for years.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
This is not me being tongue in cheek.
Speaker 16 (35:25):
He will tell you when there's not something to talk
about with the Cowboys, he will find you something. It
is a soap opera around here, and so I think
it is very possible that we could still see that.
Keep in mind Seedee Lamb August twenty seventh, that got done,
and it was September tenth for Dak Prescott. So I
am still not pressed about this, and I find it
hard to believe that Micah would want to miss a
game check.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
I was at the premiere last night for that Netflix
documentary that dropped next Tuesday, was in Hollywood. Jerry talked
a lot about, and it's in the documentary, about how
much he values the marketing and the salesmanship of this.
So on some level, you don't have to pay in Jerry.
Right now you can make an objective argument that he
has the least interesting team, even within his own division.
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Let's see what the next do twenty three days or
so bring before that season opener.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Jane, thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
I'm sure we'll be talking with you about this more
again soon. Let's keep talking about Tyler Shock, who had
a bit of a roller coaster debut as the Saints
at this time number two quarterback, the rookie second round pick,
throwing that ugly pick six, and then coming back with
this one, the deep shot.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
That's what they're looking for.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Kellen Morris expressed that he was very pleased with how
Tyler Schuck bounced back from that early mistake on a
throw that Chuck said himself, he's.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Still make nine times out of ten.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Sometimes the defensive player makes the play, as we welcome
our Steve Whites. Back to the conversation Steve, when I
was at Saints camp a week ago and get in
this game, it was Spencer Ratler the first time out,
but you got to think the time is coming here
to roll out Tyler Shock. Let him go with the
ones or what's available to them of the ones, give
him an opportunity that since Draft day has seemed like
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it's sooner than.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Last I totally agree with you, Tom.
Speaker 8 (37:02):
I mean, frankly, you look at the Saints roster and
this is a veteran laden roster that's really built to
get after it this year, and so, frankly, I think
they should trade for Jamis Winston with a Giants who
maybe the odd man out with the sension to Jackson
Dart on that roster. However, let's go back to the
current roster and tylership.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
We talked about the.
Speaker 8 (37:19):
Amount of time he played in week one. He didn't start,
but he got more and more reps, right, so he
saw some things with some defenses, He got into the
flow of the game, he got better as the game
went a long time. So I think they're gonna keep
on ramping it up. They've got a joint practice this
week with the Rams before they get into this weekend's
preseason game.
Speaker 10 (37:38):
We'll see what the.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Reps look like.
Speaker 8 (37:40):
But again, I think with Shuck getting more and more
of them, he's going to get better.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
The roster is built to win this year. After this year,
it could be.
Speaker 8 (37:48):
Complete resets of getting Shuck started out as TV can play.
That might be the best Courseback and los Als remembered
a couple of months he turns twenty six years old.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
He spent seven years in college football. Usually they call
those people doctors. In this case, we call him quite
possibly a rookie starting quarterback for the Saints.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
Welcome back to the Insiders, presented by SATFA Our buddy
Chad Ryter doled out some rookie grades coming out of
Week one game. We were just talking about Ty Warren.
Not a surprise that he got an A. Chad gave
Shador a B plus, which I think is actually a
higher grade than Shador gave himself. Schmar Stewart, who held
out of the early part of camp, got a C plus.
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But you know what, it's time to talk about rookies
who could use a well rested win. It's time for
well rested wins, presented by SATFA. I'm joined by Steve
and Baldy. All right, Steve, let's start with you. What
rookie in week two could use a well rested win.
Speaker 8 (38:43):
A rookie hooper form well in week one, and that's
Carolina Panthers wide receiver tenor Roland McMillan. He had two
catches for forty three yards, including a thirty yarder, but
he ever looked a part of the eighth overall pick.
You see over the shoulder with the boundary give him
a tight window on a great throw. And then here
I think if he continues to grow, they're playing the Texans,
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so they got joint practices. He's going up against Derek
Stingley and Petrie and these guys this week to help
him get better. He's somebody in the week two who's
going to continue to elevate and help out that offense.
Speaker 9 (39:15):
Well, Steve, the guy that was picked right before t
Mac was armand Membu at a Missouri by the New
York Jets, and he played very well in his debut
this past weekend against Green Bay. You know, we knew
he was a powerful run blocker, and then you know,
he got working on his pass sets there a little bit,
so he got his feet wet at lambeau Field against
Rashan Gary, some really good players. He went toe to
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toe with some good players, a pro bowler in Rashan Gary.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
But I'm really excited to.
Speaker 9 (39:42):
See him in tomorrow's scrimmage against the New York Giants,
and see him against Kavon, to see him against Bernsey,
to see him against Abdul Carter. He'll probably see all
those guys in the scrimmage and then maybe the game
as well, so he'll get well tested against the Giants
and some of the guys that will be coming off
the edge for them. I want to see how he
stands up and holds up against some elite pass rushers.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
All right, Steve Baldy, you guys deserve well rusted wins.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Thank you both.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
When we return, we're going to talk about Taylor Swift
because everybody else in the United States of America is
talking about Taylor Swift today. We are going to join
in when we return on The Insiders presented by SOFTBA, the.
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Speaker 2 (40:52):
Such a nice color on you.
Speaker 10 (40:53):
Yes, I know, it's the color of your eyes, Sweete.
Speaker 8 (40:58):
So well.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Now, congratulations to Travis Kelcey, the biggest catch of his career.
Having Taylor Swift on the New Heights podcast. Everybody going
wild over Taylor Swift, who announced her latest album.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
They're posting things in.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Orange, including of course, the NFL Game Day account. The
Cleveland Browns were called brown, but they got orange helmets.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Of course, you got the bird to orange in Texas.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
You get the point. Everybody's going orange for Taylor Swift. Yes,
we got it. We got a controller of a lot
of people. Yep, it's a lot. It's all the social media.
Everything you see, it's all orange. And in honor of
that Judy, none of us wore orange.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
I just was thinking that that I actually have an
orange jacket I could have put on anyway. I am
very excited about this. I read something that the most
listened to podcast episode in history is one hundred and
forty four million views on YouTube. And the question is
ken NFL fans and Swifty's break that on New Heights.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Next, what's the one mark four millions?
Speaker 9 (41:57):
Mike?
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Do you know? No idea? What is it? What's the
one hundred and forty four million?
Speaker 4 (42:03):
I think it was something like how to succeed in relationships.
It was something that was done in Arabic and English. Okay,
not as good as Taylor smell does not, so I
get asked so terrible. You can ask Ai that these
days you don't have to listen to a whole podcast.
Speaker 6 (42:17):
They can deal with that.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
It's I'm a huge Flyers fan. They popped up on Instagram.
Speaker 6 (42:21):
They had an orange jersey with sparkles on it.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
I didn't understand it. I just figured out what it's about.
I had no idea. I'm letting in on the joke.
So you learn things when you watch the inside it.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
And here we thought that this storyline was going to
stop in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
You grabs the.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Taylor and I guess Travis forgetting her on the podcast.
All right, we're back tomorrow. Send me of Eastern time.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
See you, everybody
Running back on the field again, But is this just
the latest false start in a long drive towards the deal.
We will tell you the latest on James Cook's contract
talks as the NFL's leading touchdown score returns the practice.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Terry McLaurin was also.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Back on the field today, but just out there having
a nice little chat with GM. Adam Peters, still not
in uniform as his hold in continues. Hear what Commanders
coach Dan Quinn had to say about the veteran wide
receiver's status. The Packers also will not have their quarterback
Jordan Love on the field anytime soon thanks to surgery
today for a thumb injury. We will break down why
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Green Bay brass says they are not concerned about Love
hurting again. Welcome inside with the Insiders, presented by SATFA
alongside Judy Batista. I am Tom Pellisero. Mike Girofolo will
be along shortly. We are twenty three days out right
now from the opener, just three days away from the
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second full preseason week, and maybe just maybe a small
sign of progress for one of Buffalo's most important players
to be out there prior to week one. That is
running back James Cook, the pro bowler who was on
the field today, had begun a hold in about a
week ago by telling reporters at the time it was
business well, that business is not yet complete. He does
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not have a new contract, leading reporters to ask Sean
mcderbott today, what changed.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
I would say so, I would say so that things
have changed to Lena with and yes, we've had conversations
with James, good conversations, as I've mentioned before, and the
information that we're getting is that he is moving in
the direction of practicing today.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
So this has been an ongoing process, Judy, going all
the way back to February and March, where we saw
all those deals the Bills got done with the likes
of Christian Benford and Greg Russo in the offseason, James Cook.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Was the priority. They couldn't get a deal done.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Then it's been this back and forth on and off
between Cook and the Bills. To me, just looking at
this from the outside in, this appears to be a
show of good faith from James Cook. I'll get back
on the field now, let's see if we can actually
bring this thing across the goal line.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
I feel like the last few weeks with all of
these hold in and hold out situations where like reading
the tea leaves and trying to read body language. And
I think on this one, right, this is sort of
an incremental step in the right direction. Sean McDermott was
very careful to say, not to say that the hold
in is over right. They're not going to jump ahead here,
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but he is practicing, which is a change. He was
not practicing for a while. Remember the game last weekend.
He dressed and then did not play in the game,
which caught some of them by surprise. So this seems
to at least be a little bit of a thaw
in where the relationship was just a few days ago.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And that's a good thing. They need him.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
He scored sixteen rushing touchdowns last season. This team is
ever so close to getting to the Super Bowl. They
need James Cook to be on the field. And I
know Tom, in the past you've reported they're not really
that far apart. So I mean, this certainly seems to
be on the James Cook side, maybe not extending the
olive branch, but at least stepping forward and trying to
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meet the team halfway. As we get further into the preseason,
and you get closer to the opener. All of these
teams that have these contract situations unresolved, you would think
they're going to want to start to wrap things up
now coming up in the next week to two weeks.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
This James Cook situation is also unfolded in a rare
public fashion surrounding the bills. You have not had hold
ins since Brandon Bean and Sean McDermott got there. They've
not had things play out in the media. But of
course you had some comments back in the spring, and
negotiations did not go the way that James Cook wanted to.
He said at one point I want fifteen million dollars
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per ye, which would put him in that rare air
with the likes of Christian McCaffrey and more recently Saquon
Barkley and Derrick Henry on their extensions. My innerstanding is
at this point he's not asking for fifteen He's looking
at a number that is closer to Kyron Williams, who
just got done at eleven million dollars per year. It
would seem like that created an extremely clear baseline for
these negotiations here, but there's always a back and forth.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
I have said it one hundred times.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I'll make it one hundred and one right here, Judy,
They're not that far apart. But there is no close.
There's only done, and this deal is not yet done.
Terry McLaurin and the Commanders, on the other hand, not
seemed all that close. In fact, have been on very
different pages throughout the offseason. Now we're putting this in
the hold in bucket, even though technically Terry McLaurin is
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on the physically unable to perform list, had a real
ankle injury and the last season rehabited for a while.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
That's what he's been doing.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
But today, for the first time, he was at least
spotted on the field during in practice.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Here's what coach Dan Quinn had to say.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
Look, you want everybody as to coach out on the
field at every practice, every game. I also know that that's
that's not reality either, and so I just try to
make sure a man like just keep pouring into the guys,
keep digging into it. But I know it is, you know,
part of our game where you know you don't have
everybody all the time. It does in some ways there's contingencies.
(05:25):
How do you work how he featured guys, and so
I was kind of referring to like debo maybe getting
more connection time to go. But as far as like
where I'm at, I also like, I'm aware things happen,
you know, and you adjust, and that's kind of what
coaching is, you know, and you don't have your full
roster all the time.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Mike has ended his hold in from the show about
five minutes in here Mike, Terry McLaurin and the Commanders.
This one has also played up publicly. There's been a
recent trade request. It's obvious everybody acknowledges that Terry McLaurin
needs to get an upgrade on his contract, But there's
a difference between everyone acknowledging, Hey, he does deserves more money,
and how much more money that actually is?
Speaker 6 (06:03):
Where do we stand right now? For what you understand
and w wasthed it? Yeah, I wasn't asking for more money.
I just went to a parking spot. Chris Brown, I'm
at Giants. Chris Brown's playing MetLife Stadium the night. Who
knew Chris Brown? Still a thing? All those people knew.
So if you sell a car driving over grass and
medians and curbs, you're probably cursing me out. I'm sorry,
I wasn't going where you're going. I'll make it up
to you have a spot for you in about fifty
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four minutes. As for Terry McLaren, that conversation that he
had with Adam Peters on the field today at Camp,
a lot of folks said, oh, that's great.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Look at that. They're communicating. They've been communicating.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
Let's not forget Terry McLaren hugged owner Josh Harris the
day that we were at camp there. This is not
something where they're just walking through the hallways and giving
each other dirty looks and obscene gestures. I mean, this
has been a professional thing the whole time. It's just business. Tom,
you talked about the numbers for James Cook. Terry McLaren
is looking at a wide receiver market that's up to
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forty million dollars per year. He ain't looking for that,
I can promise you he's not looking for top of
the market. But he went somewhere a little bit lower
than that. We saw DK metcalf come in the mid thirties.
So Terry McLaurin looking for something more in that neighborhood.
Washington has been obviously well below that so this conversation, sure,
this is all good. His presence, it's all good. But
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like you said, Tom, there is no close until this
thing gets done. And I don't get the sense that
they are close until this thing gets done.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
We are not close.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
This has been like the most respectful holdout hold in
I've ever seen. The reporters who were there at Commander's
practice today said that that conversation that we just saw
on tape there ended with the GM patting him on
the back. So that's how nice everybody's being. Fact of
the matter is they need Terry McLaurin. As the practice
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today showed. They had like an intrasquad game Burgundy versus Gold,
and the reports from that game are that the defense,
the first team defense, completely shut out the first team offense.
Jayden Daniels could not get any going Jade and Daniels
apparently had one of his worst practices of the summer.
That is part of the problem that without Terry mcluurin,
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there are other than Deepo Samuel, none of the other
wide receivers have really stepped forward to seize a big role.
So it's imperative that they get Terry McLaurin in He
is so important to Jade and Daniel's development and his
continued success. The fact that they are not close is
not great, but the fact that they have been so
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respectful and so professional about this at least gives you
a hope that at some point they're going to be
able to have a meeting of the minds because it
hasn't splintered, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
A decade ago, there was no such thing as a
hold in. Nobody did this. It's become more commonplace, but
you'd be hard pressed to find a lot of years
where you're sitting there August twelfth, left and four weeks
out from week one, and you got five of them.
At least. There's some other ones that are questionable. The
guys have real injuries. Are they choosing not to practice?
But James Cook, Terry mclaur and Michael Parsons, we'll talk
about that a little later on with Jane Slater. Trey
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Henderson that one's been at a standoff since he reported
about a week INDO camp, and then Cam Hayward coming
out publicly yesterday and saying just one year after he
signed a new three year deal, he again wants his
contract upgraded. Here has not been fully participating through the
course of training camp. So five situations with five pretty
big name players to keep an eye on. No bigger
name right now in Green Bay than Jordan Love, who,
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on this play right here where he kind of got
sandwiched in the preseason oper ended up suffering what was
described as.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
A ligament issue in his thumb.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
He is now set to go undergo surgery that happened
earlier on this morning. GM Brian Goodakoons doesn't sound all
that concern.
Speaker 7 (09:39):
Jordan is having a little procedure done on his left
thumb that he heard in the game.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
We'll put him out a little bit a while.
Speaker 7 (09:45):
Hope I'm back at practice next week and shouldn't miss
any reglar season time.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
The hope is the Jordan Love will be back on
the field in about a week or so. The hope
is that Matthew Stafford was going to only miss a
week or so at the start a Rams training camp.
Yet here we are still know Matthew Stafford on the field.
This situation ramping up and maybe cause a little more
concerned in the past few days given the fact that
Sean McVay had said over the weekend that Stafford went
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through about a sixty five throw workout. Everything went well,
no restriction is going to be out there Monday to
individual drills, and then Monday came and went No Stafford.
Still no Stafford today, as we welcome in our Brian
Baldier to the conversation as well as Steve White. Steve,
you based out here. You spent a lot of time
around this team. The optics are one thing, but in
the building, what is the level of concern right now
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in Stafford?
Speaker 8 (10:34):
It doesn't seem like it's a ton of concern right now.
First off, the RAMS training staff is among the best
in the NFL, and these guys know Matthew Stafford. Sean
McVay is not a guy who operates out of urgency.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
But that said, the RAMS aren't if they're not worried.
Speaker 8 (10:47):
About Matthew Stafford. Possibly get in Week one, that's one thing,
but can he get through Week seventeen that's the other thing.
Let's not forget Matthew Stafford is thirty seven years old.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
And Baldy, when I look at this, I just can't
think of how we.
Speaker 8 (11:00):
Kind of downplayed matt Ryan at the end of his
career when he was around the same age with shoulder injuries,
Drew Brees the same, Aaron Rodgers the same look. As
you age, you don't heal as quickly or as strongly.
I think with Matthew Stafford, the issue, more so when
it comes to concern, is getting him through the season,
because this is a vastly different team with Matthew Stafford
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and a healthy Matthew Stafford and not having him or
at least having him where he's actually capable and functioning
like Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
So here's the big question here, Baldy, there's an unknown.
Of course, it's a low back issue. These can be unpredictable.
I speak on that from experience and not even play
quarterback in the NFL. In the world though, where Matthew
Stafford is not ready to go, how big of a
drop off is it to the number two option, a
guy in Jimmy Garoppolo, who in a very similar system
we've seen play well enough to get to a Super Bowl.
Speaker 9 (11:50):
Well, I mean, Jimmy's got over sixty career starts, so
he started a game for the Rams a year ago.
At the end of the season. They're capable hands, but
there is no replacing matt Stafford in his arm and
his vision and how he sees the field and the
timing that he has with Puka and some of the
receivers is it's very rare. His anticipation they're throwing it
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to a spot. I mean, he's rare. To Steve's point here,
I'm not concerned. I mean, anytime you have a disc injury,
you're concerned about the health of the player, like that's
not to be fooled around with him.
Speaker 10 (12:23):
They're not.
Speaker 9 (12:24):
But at the same time, this might almost be a
blessing and that it's all about getting this team to
the postseason. Stafford has played seven postseason games for the Rams.
They've got a Super Bowl, they won another one, and
so missing time right now isn't paramount. It's not urgent.
I believe that if he sat out up until September fifth,
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he'd be ready to go against Buffalo, you know, in
that opening game of the season. And so just because
of his ability to see the field and make every throw,
he can still do all of that. But Jimmy Garoppolo's
next guy up. Tom They'll ride Jimmy if there is
any issues this year. He's been really very healthy. Talking
about Stafford, very healthy the last two years, a lot
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of playoff appearances, six playoff games the last two years,
and a Super Bowl. So he has figured out how
to manage the season. That's what they're trying to do
right now.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
As Sean McVay said on Monday, when I asked about
the possibility surgery, that's not been any part of the conversation.
If some of this did become long term and the
coaches weren't comfortable with Jimmy Garoppolo, there is a guy
in Atlanta who's had some success playing this exact offense,
is currently making twenty seven point five million dollars as
a backup. We'll stay tuned on that. We are still
looking back here, Balty. We have not talked to you
since Week one of the preseason ended.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Here.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
What's your biggest takeaway? What were you saying coming out
of that first week?
Speaker 9 (13:43):
Well, you know, the team that I saw in my
training camp tour was and the best team I saw
was Baltimore. And when you watch Baltimore and you watch
him practice, and you know obviously Lamar and Derrick Henry
and you know all the big names, but this Mike Green,
the rookie Mike Green, Marshall, their second round pick who
fell to them because of some off the field issues
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in college.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
I mean I watched him.
Speaker 9 (14:06):
He played thirty three snaps in the opening preseason game,
and he threw every kind of pass rush move you
could throw at somebody. I saw five different moves like
he had no fear, Like this spin right there, obviously
against Ohio State was caught a lot of people's eyes.
But I saw him spin. I saw him speed, the power.
I saw him dip and rip, I saw him crosschop.
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I mean, he was not afraid to throw his repertoire
in the preseason, and it caught my eye because he's
being coached by Chuck Smith, who's a great pass rush
specialist coach to begin with. He's in an organization that
recognizes what a true edge pass rusher looks like. They
led the league in sacks two years ago in this
type of defense. I just think that he's got a
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very bright future. Sometimes it takes a rookie defensive lineman
a red shirt year to figure it out, but I'm
not going to be surprised if he has success this
year with his ability.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Right now, Baldy, I love you talking about edge. You guys.
Speaker 8 (15:02):
That means I get to talk about offensive lineman. And
I want to go to the Minnesota Vikings because in
watching their preseason game, first off, JJ McCarthy coming back,
he looked very clean thirteen play opening drive.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
In their series.
Speaker 8 (15:14):
But let's go guard center guard all three new players,
right They've got Will Fryes, the rookie Donovan Scott and
then Ryan Kelly and Bawd. You know this, More and
more teams are building their team guard to guard guard
center guard, and they look real solid right there. So
that's a good thing for McCarthy. You're seeing it bouncing
it a little bit here, but this is going to
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help their run game. This is going to stop some
those a gap blat a gap blitzes that teams like
to get through. And I also want to make a
note on the other side of the ball. One thing
the Vikings do well is they're undrafted free agent takes.
Elijah Williams upper ninety nine, the defensive tackle out of
Morgan State, the MIAC Defensive Player of the Year, showed
up two tackles, two quarterback hits, someone to keep an
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eye on. To add to depth of a very strong
defensive front.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Hard Grave, Jonathan Allen together editions. They're trying to build it.
This is what they analyzed in the offseason was we
need to get bigger and more physical on the interior
of booth lines. There's been a lot of money to
do it. We'll see how that shakes. We get to
the real thing. Monday Night football in week one.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
And half for the.
Speaker 11 (16:17):
Giants back to throw Dart out of the shotgun, goes
to the left side, touchdown Giants, but.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Jordan Huckphrey pulling it in.
Speaker 11 (16:28):
And Jackson dot Texas Steel on his big blue Korea
said hey, that's it.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
There's let's do it again. Go through first touch past
bringing down Darty. He love you all boys, now step stacking.
Here we go big.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
All four Giants quarterbacks played last week and pretty good
outing by all of them. Of course, that is the past,
the touchdown pass that everybody is talking about Jackson Dart.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Here is Brian Dabele on his rookie quarterback.
Speaker 12 (17:23):
Just to continue to improve, be some good learning experiences
like there for every practice or every preseason game, and
go out there and compete and you know, probably make
some mistakes, learn from them and continue to grow everything.
Every practice every preseason game, every joint practice is important,
particularly for a young quarterback.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Mike and Baldy join me, Judy Batista. All right, Mike,
you and I were out at the Giants a few times.
We know how excited they are about Russell Wilson and
Jackson Dart. Russ is the current starter. Jackson Dart they
hope is the future starter. But they've got four guys
on the roster right now. How does all of this shakeout, Judy?
Speaker 6 (18:01):
I mean, you're gonna have to make a tough decision
at some point if you're the Giants, because let's say
it's Tommy DeVito, who's fourth in the pecking order right now,
a guy that has won games for your franchise before.
I mean potentially, and there are teams with some quarterback
needs out there. This could be a cutdown day type
of thing, and maybe some kind of a pick swap
and you're getting some value. I know that there's been
people talking about Jamis, but I know they love what
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Jamis brings to this building, what Jamis brings to that
quarterback room, So I just don't see them moving him
at that point.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
So maybe you get.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
Some value for DeVito, or maybe you've got to move
on from him, and he needs to get a fresh
start somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
But I know that when they're looking at Jackson Dart.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
Right now and Jamis was listed as the two, could
Dart show them enough or has he showed them enough?
Speaker 2 (18:43):
And can he continue to do that?
Speaker 6 (18:44):
Baldy to say, this is a guy that you're confident
in as your number two, that if something happens to
Russell Wilson early in the season, that you can go
right to Jackson Dart.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Can he show that.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
He's able to run the operation as smoothly as he
did in Buffalo. He gonna be a challenge for him
the next couple of games here.
Speaker 9 (19:03):
Well, he played thirty snaps Mike, and you know, obviously
in a second drive he threw the touchdown to little
Jordan Humphrey. It was a great throw and he got
hit on the play. He stood tall in the pocket,
took the hit. I don't even think he saw the
completion he was on the ground. However, he did a
great job of taking care of the ball, protecting the
ball under pressure, navigating the pocket for some scrambles, led
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the team in rushing with three scrambles. He did a
lot of good things, and so you know what Mike
said in what Brian Dables said was, you know, continue
to improve. Everybody wants to see him this weekend. I'm
going to see himorrow morning with a scrimmage to the Jets.
I'm looking forward to seeing just how he practices, if
some of the things we saw on tape this weekend
carry over to the practice field and then carry over
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to the preseason game against the Jets. But there's a
lot of optimism because of all the little things that
he did, protecting the ball, navigating the pocket, not taking
off when protection broke down a little bit.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I thought it was really.
Speaker 9 (20:02):
Really a clean game on his part and a reason
why I think every Giant fan is excited at this point.
And the fact that he broke the team down one, two, three,
Go Blue. I mean, that's got to be a good
feeling right there in that locker room amongst a lot
of veteran players.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
All Right, the Giants and Jets are actually having joint practices.
They had one today, they will have one tomorrow, and
then of course they play the Giants Jets game this weekend.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
So let's talk about the Jets.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
They have a new quarterback too, and he did pretty
well in week one. Also Justin Fields. Here's Aaron Glenn
on his quarterback.
Speaker 13 (20:38):
It seemed like I keep telling you guys the same
thing every day about who he is. He's a mature
man and the outside noise does not bother him. And
I don't know how many times I got to say this,
but it's not going to change with him. He's going
to continue to get better and better and better and
not allow anything on the outside to bother him and
just do his job and keep improving.
Speaker 10 (20:58):
Man, those are.
Speaker 13 (20:59):
Like, really some trace that I liked about him, that
he's just unphased and he's always.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Here, all right, Pauldi, you and I were out there
back together weekend at the Jets, so we got an
early glimpse of Justin Fields. Where were your impressions of
how he and the offense operated this weekend?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Well?
Speaker 9 (21:15):
The offensive line played well. Joe Tipman played left guard
for John Simpson. He played very well. Armand Membu the
rookie played very well. They ran the ball very well
this past weekend, and Justin Fields was a benefactor of
all of that.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
They protected him very well up front.
Speaker 9 (21:29):
Right here, he took what the defense gave him up
in lambeau Field finished the drive off with this scramble
right here of thirteen yards for a touchdown. AG knows
coach Aaron Glenn knows that he could do this. He
did this as the Chicago Bear against the Lions quite
a bit. But I thought he saw the field very well.
He took what the defense gave him. It was a
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very productive opening drive there, and I thought the offensive
line really played well as a group. And you could
see that right side of Ali Vera Tucker along with
armand Membu. You can see the development and the timing
between those two players right there. And then you know,
Josh Myers is a competition at center right now. Josh
looked very good. He was former Green Bay Packers starting center.
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He was in there this weekend. But I thought the
group played real well, including the tight ends. And so
that's promising right now because if they can run the
ball the way they want to with three good backs,
I think that they've got the potential being a really
good offense.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
Yeah, and if he continues to play well in the preseason,
he'll get his confidence up. Their confidence in him. You
heard Eron Glenn talk about that they have a similar
disposition Aaron Glenn and Justin Field. Glenn probably a little
bit more fiery, right, and he comes from that defensive
my frame. But this is a good match and they
felt like that. This has been a good match this
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entire offseason and into the summer between these two guys,
and they knew each other well. I mean, Aaron Glenn
a game planned against Justin Field, so he knew what
he could bring. And I agree with that, and I
know that they feel that about Fields is that he's
unwavering and he's confident in himself. Like you can have
your criticisms about Justin Fields maybe not playing up to
his draft potential over this first portion of his career,
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but it's not because he melted. It's not because of
a lack of confidence. It's not because he can't handle
being a starting quarterback mentally in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
He can. And that's why they.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
Feel like they've got a good base to work with.
And all these stops that he's made along the way,
I mean a.
Speaker 10 (23:28):
Couple of stops.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
There's my two stops along the way have only prepared
him for right now and what he is going to
be for the Jets. They feel good about their starting
quarterback right now and his performance in Week one of
the preseasons.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Cemented that I agree, Aaron Glenn has been high on
Justin Fields really since they got Fields into the building.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Mike Baldi, thank you very much. I know you guys
will both be back.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
And when we are back, did you hear that Shador
Sanders had a really good NFL debut where you're going
to hear even more of it, and then Michael.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
F Florio is going to join us.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
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Speaker 6 (24:34):
Browns fans, if you want to see Chador Sanders this preseason,
maybe the regular season. The way that he's playing, I
wouldn't say necessarily Week one, but certainly an impressive debut
for Sanders week one of the preseason, and even Miles
Garrett was impressed.
Speaker 14 (24:52):
I want to feel one of those swipes though, one
of his aggressive, like you know grabs. I want to
just see if I can get out of it.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Du you a good kid. I don't want to hurt you.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
Can't put your teammates in the in the graveyard there, Miles,
trust me, he's impressed. Michael f Florio, I'm always impressed
with you, and it is time for Week one overreaction. Wait,
and that's supposed to wait till Week one of the
regular season. Well, I guess we can do that in
the preseason as well. Some folks already overreacting against they're
getting ready for their fantasy drafts. A lot of folks said,
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Ashton Genty going to hit the ground running in the NFL.
Wait a second, am I overreacting to say he should
be lowered on some draft boards because of his Week
one preseason performance.
Speaker 10 (25:43):
Ashton Genty right now is free falling faster than my
Mets because everyone knows that three preseason calgories matters more
than running for twenty seven hundred yards and thirty touchdowns
in college, breaking the PFF mistackle sports record, and being
the sixth overall pick right like, it's a huge overreaction.
It is three carries, who cares. No one is going
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to remember this a week from now, let alone when
week one of the regular season hits. But people are
wondering where to draft ash and gent and I think
he is a good target in the second round. He
is going to be the focal point of this offense.
Pete Carroll loves to feed his RB one during his
heyday in Seattle when the Seahawks were at their best,
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the Seahawks routinely were top three in rushing attempts. Chip
Kelly runs the ball a lot. He is my RB eight,
fine second round pick. But Traveon Henderson he is climbing
up draft boards for me. I love Traveon Henderson. I
will keep saying it. It's like he was built in
a lab to succeed for fantasy football purposes. He has
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the elusiveness and the high end speed for plenty of
big plays. Strong pass blocker will get him on the
field in passing downs. Good receiver that should lead to
plenty of PPR points. And he is on Mike Rabral's offense.
Those teams have never ranked worse than eleventh in rushing
attempts in Rabel's entire time as a head coach. He
will be my most drafted running back this summer. I
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have him ranked at RB fifteen and I'm considering bumping
him up. But I'm already the high guy on Trevion Henderson.
You saw why last Friday. Make sure to target him
in the middle rounds of your fantasy drafts this summer.
Speaker 6 (27:22):
Rimandre s Davis has still there expected to see the football.
But yeah, I understand your optimism on Henderson after his
Week one performance. I was in Baltimore for the Colts
Ravens game and I saw Tyler Warren catch three balls
for forty yards, and I said, you know what size
jacket is? He start fitting them for Cannon Ken overreaction
or not that he's the next great tight end.
Speaker 10 (27:44):
I was in Canton this past weekend. I think they
were already sizing it up for him. Yeah, I don't
think this is an overreaction at all. I love Tyler
Warren heading into this season. It didn't matter who was
in at quarterback on Thursday, he was the top target
and I think that could be the case when the
season starts, because Warren is a huge target who can
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operate well in the middle of the field and is
a yak monster. And that matters because both Colts quarterbacks,
statistically in their career are at their best when they
are targeting the middle of the field. He is my
tight end six, and I think he continues this run
of great rookie tight ends for fantasies we've seen in
recent years Kyle Pitts, Sam Laporter, Brock Bauers, Tyler Warren,
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and then cam Ward Right the least talked about number
one overall pick in sports history. He looks good, but
making him a QB one in fantasy would be a
big overreaction. Look. I know he's got a strong arm.
He could run a bit. He's not going to run
enough to become a fantasy QB one like Jayden Daniels
or bow Knicks did last year. I still have him
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as a QB two, a low end one at that,
but there is upsid here and what I love more
than anything, he is going to help elevate the Titans
pass catchers. He was targeting Calvin Ridley early. Calvin Ridley,
I have him as a top twenty wide receiver even
though he's being drafted closer to thirty. And then Chig Aquonco,
the big talented tight end there. He is a sleeper
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in this offense as well. So cam Ward means good
things for all those Titan pass catchers.
Speaker 6 (29:16):
Yeah, last year, Michael f Florio, you helped me draft
my team, which, by the way, I think I may
need you to do again. We're Friday, I'm ready night
at seven o'clock Eastern. I think we have a show,
so we may do it live again. But we hit
on Jaydon Daniels last year, so you can hit on
a rookie and he can carry your team if you
get it right, and Michael left Floria often gets it right.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Thank you very much.
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Slash Network Terms and condition apply. Joe Milton did so
many positive things in his preseason Cowboys debut that Jerry
Jones said after the game he's got to pinch himself
that they were able to get Milton away from the
New England Patriots seventeen of twenty nine, a touchdown, an
interception and a stake to the claim of being the
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number two quarterback.
Speaker 15 (30:19):
Perhaps, I think you know our plan all along has
been that we need to find out about Joe Milton.
And again, under no circumstance do I am I panicked
or worried about Joe Milton. Joe Milton played really well
in the second half. He did some really good things.
He calmed down, he figured it out. But I'd be
crazy if I didn't say to you how impressed them
with Will Greer. I mean, all the guy does is
(30:41):
when given opportunities, And like I said, we communicate very
clearly with our players. So like the scrimmage against the Rams,
we told them, hey, man, bunch, you drink some water
and hang out, and next thing you know, he's in
the game.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Welcome back to the Insiders, presented by Santa Tom Pelliserra
here in Los Angeles, joined now by Jane Slater Jay
And this is the first time in a number of years,
the Cowboys haven't had one of the more stable backup
quarterback situations in the NFL, with Cooper Rush having been
there and answered when called upon when Dak Prescott has
been hurt basia what you saw from Joe Milton to
(31:12):
what you're hearing right now, where do we stand in
terms of the backup plan behind Deck?
Speaker 2 (31:18):
I think it's still to be determined.
Speaker 16 (31:20):
Brian Schottenheimer was asked this week if he was going
to start this weekend who his backups were, and Shoddy
essentially said that he doesn't feel pressed to make that
decision right now.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
He doesn't have to.
Speaker 16 (31:30):
What they're trying to do with the preseason is a
true evaluation of their quarterback situation. If you think about it, Tom,
you know you have OTAs with Will Greer and of
course Joe Milton, but you don't have a lot of
live action.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
So that's why you're getting him in the preseason now.
Speaker 16 (31:46):
Shoddy also pointed out he had his fastball, but at
times he needs to change it up.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
That's what we've seen in the times.
Speaker 16 (31:51):
I've been at camp, when I've looked at some of
these videos at some of the beat guys have put
out he's got an arm.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
I mean it's a cannon.
Speaker 16 (31:57):
I don't think I can say on air what it's
a golf term that Schottenheimer used to describe it last week.
I'll start it with a P missile. How's that that works?
So if you're familiar with the term and golf. But
the issue at times has been there, you go. The
issue at times has been his accuracy, and so I
think they liked that he just settled in a bit.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
He looked better towards the end.
Speaker 16 (32:19):
But why are we talking importance of a backup quarterback? Well,
thanks to our research department, I had him look this up.
Nine teams had a backup QB as their starter by
the end of the season, and almost half of the
league had their backup start a game at some point
during the season. And we have certainly seen in Dallas
Dak Prescott with some of his injuries, but also Dak
Prescott in his rookie campaign that twenty sixteen year. The
(32:42):
Cowboys saw Tony Rummel get injured and then Kellen wore
and then obviously that led to the ascension of Dak Prescott.
So a backup quarterback in the absence of someone that
Cooper Rush, who has been so reliable for them had been.
It's important to figure out who your backup guy is,
and that's why we're talking about him here on The Insiders, Tom, you.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Know, the backup quarterback.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
When we're talking about that with the Cowboys, that means
there's not a ton of other issues, but they do
have one kind of big one here, and that is
Micah Parsons, who still is not practicing, has been on
and off the field because of supposed back soreness. Clearly,
he has made abundantly clear that he is not happy
with where things are at from a contract negotiation standpoint,
something that owner Jerry Jones has kind of danced around,
(33:23):
including last night at his Netflix documentary premiere.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
You have bigger risk to paint or trade Figer. You
talk about risk, You know about risks. As far as
it is today, you've.
Speaker 15 (33:32):
Got all of outs.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
So there's Jerry.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
We have not really heard anything direct at this point,
Jane in terms of the Cowboys even being willing to
consider trade talks. We know Jerry has tamped all of
it down. Where do we stand right now from the
team's respectives, well with Mike's perspective about the lack of
really even communication in terms of trying to get an
extension done.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
You know, this trade talks interesting.
Speaker 16 (33:57):
You and I have talked about this offline over the
last two years Micah, about Micah and this possibility of trade.
In other words, there were whispers of it, but Jerry
was the one to shoot it down. And why was
MICA's name getting tossed around. Well, he's probably their best
player that they've had in a He's a generational player,
and if you're kind of resetting the team as they
did with Shotenheimer and some of the moves that they've
(34:19):
made in the off season, he'd make a lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
I mean, you could get a generational haul for him.
Speaker 16 (34:23):
So trading him now doesn't make a lot of sense, Tom,
And that's because the Cowboys still have the rights to
his contract. He has one more year. They have two
franchise tags that they can use. Micah is saying and
maintains that he has a back issue.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
So that's why we haven't seen him at practice. It
hasn't been a hold.
Speaker 16 (34:39):
In so to speak, but the body language on the
sidelines you can tell it's he's getting frustrated. I think
more than anything, both sides are shocked, quite frankly, that
it's gotten to this point. If you listen to these
guys talk about their relationship throughout the last two years.
You know, I had Micah Parsons talking about me and
in his box the Super Bowl and bragg that he
(35:00):
had Jerry Jones's cell phone number, and Jerry bragging that
he's one of the few players that had the cell
phone number. So the question is, why can't you just
work this thing out? I still maintain we've got August
nineteenth to circle. That's when the Gambler comes out. That'd
be really good press buzz for the Netflix. And if
you laugh at that notion and the possibility of that,
all I have to tell you is he essentially said
(35:21):
what he has told us for years.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
This is not me being tongue in cheek.
Speaker 16 (35:25):
He will tell you when there's not something to talk
about with the Cowboys, he will find you something. It
is a soap opera around here, and so I think
it is very possible that we could still see that.
Keep in mind Seedee Lamb August twenty seventh, that got done,
and it was September tenth for Dak Prescott. So I
am still not pressed about this, and I find it
hard to believe that Micah would want to miss a
game check.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
I was at the premiere last night for that Netflix
documentary that dropped next Tuesday, was in Hollywood. Jerry talked
a lot about, and it's in the documentary, about how
much he values the marketing and the salesmanship of this.
So on some level, you don't have to pay in Jerry.
Right now you can make an objective argument that he
has the least interesting team, even within his own division.
(36:06):
Let's see what the next do twenty three days or
so bring before that season opener.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Jane, thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
I'm sure we'll be talking with you about this more
again soon. Let's keep talking about Tyler Shock, who had
a bit of a roller coaster debut as the Saints
at this time number two quarterback, the rookie second round pick,
throwing that ugly pick six, and then coming back with
this one, the deep shot.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
That's what they're looking for.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Kellen Morris expressed that he was very pleased with how
Tyler Schuck bounced back from that early mistake on a
throw that Chuck said himself, he's.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Still make nine times out of ten.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Sometimes the defensive player makes the play, as we welcome
our Steve Whites. Back to the conversation Steve, when I
was at Saints camp a week ago and get in
this game, it was Spencer Ratler the first time out,
but you got to think the time is coming here
to roll out Tyler Shock. Let him go with the
ones or what's available to them of the ones, give
him an opportunity that since Draft day has seemed like
(36:59):
it's sooner than.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Last I totally agree with you, Tom.
Speaker 8 (37:02):
I mean, frankly, you look at the Saints roster and
this is a veteran laden roster that's really built to
get after it this year, and so, frankly, I think
they should trade for Jamis Winston with a Giants who
maybe the odd man out with the sension to Jackson
Dart on that roster. However, let's go back to the
current roster and tylership.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
We talked about the.
Speaker 8 (37:19):
Amount of time he played in week one. He didn't start,
but he got more and more reps, right, so he
saw some things with some defenses, He got into the
flow of the game, he got better as the game
went a long time. So I think they're gonna keep
on ramping it up. They've got a joint practice this
week with the Rams before they get into this weekend's
preseason game.
Speaker 10 (37:38):
We'll see what the.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Reps look like.
Speaker 8 (37:40):
But again, I think with Shuck getting more and more
of them, he's going to get better.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
The roster is built to win this year. After this year,
it could be.
Speaker 8 (37:48):
Complete resets of getting Shuck started out as TV can play.
That might be the best Courseback and los Als remembered
a couple of months he turns twenty six years old.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
He spent seven years in college football. Usually they call
those people doctors. In this case, we call him quite
possibly a rookie starting quarterback for the Saints.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
Welcome back to the Insiders, presented by SATFA Our buddy
Chad Ryter doled out some rookie grades coming out of
Week one game. We were just talking about Ty Warren.
Not a surprise that he got an A. Chad gave
Shador a B plus, which I think is actually a
higher grade than Shador gave himself. Schmar Stewart, who held
out of the early part of camp, got a C plus.
(38:25):
But you know what, it's time to talk about rookies
who could use a well rested win. It's time for
well rested wins, presented by SATFA. I'm joined by Steve
and Baldy. All right, Steve, let's start with you. What
rookie in week two could use a well rested win.
Speaker 8 (38:43):
A rookie hooper form well in week one, and that's
Carolina Panthers wide receiver tenor Roland McMillan. He had two
catches for forty three yards, including a thirty yarder, but
he ever looked a part of the eighth overall pick.
You see over the shoulder with the boundary give him
a tight window on a great throw. And then here
I think if he continues to grow, they're playing the Texans,
(39:04):
so they got joint practices. He's going up against Derek
Stingley and Petrie and these guys this week to help
him get better. He's somebody in the week two who's
going to continue to elevate and help out that offense.
Speaker 9 (39:15):
Well, Steve, the guy that was picked right before t
Mac was armand Membu at a Missouri by the New
York Jets, and he played very well in his debut
this past weekend against Green Bay. You know, we knew
he was a powerful run blocker, and then you know,
he got working on his pass sets there a little bit,
so he got his feet wet at lambeau Field against
Rashan Gary, some really good players. He went toe to
(39:37):
toe with some good players, a pro bowler in Rashan Gary.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
But I'm really excited to.
Speaker 9 (39:42):
See him in tomorrow's scrimmage against the New York Giants,
and see him against Kavon, to see him against Bernsey,
to see him against Abdul Carter. He'll probably see all
those guys in the scrimmage and then maybe the game
as well, so he'll get well tested against the Giants
and some of the guys that will be coming off
the edge for them. I want to see how he
stands up and holds up against some elite pass rushers.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
All right, Steve Baldy, you guys deserve well rusted wins.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Thank you both.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
When we return, we're going to talk about Taylor Swift
because everybody else in the United States of America is
talking about Taylor Swift today. We are going to join
in when we return on The Insiders presented by SOFTBA, the.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
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Speaker 2 (40:52):
Such a nice color on you.
Speaker 10 (40:53):
Yes, I know, it's the color of your eyes, Sweete.
Speaker 8 (40:58):
So well.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Now, congratulations to Travis Kelcey, the biggest catch of his career.
Having Taylor Swift on the New Heights podcast. Everybody going
wild over Taylor Swift, who announced her latest album.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
They're posting things in.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Orange, including of course, the NFL Game Day account. The
Cleveland Browns were called brown, but they got orange helmets.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Of course, you got the bird to orange in Texas.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
You get the point. Everybody's going orange for Taylor Swift. Yes,
we got it. We got a controller of a lot
of people. Yep, it's a lot. It's all the social media.
Everything you see, it's all orange. And in honor of
that Judy, none of us wore orange.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
I just was thinking that that I actually have an
orange jacket I could have put on anyway. I am
very excited about this. I read something that the most
listened to podcast episode in history is one hundred and
forty four million views on YouTube. And the question is
ken NFL fans and Swifty's break that on New Heights.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Next, what's the one mark four millions?
Speaker 9 (41:57):
Mike?
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Do you know? No idea? What is it? What's the
one hundred and forty four million?
Speaker 4 (42:03):
I think it was something like how to succeed in relationships.
It was something that was done in Arabic and English. Okay,
not as good as Taylor smell does not, so I
get asked so terrible. You can ask Ai that these
days you don't have to listen to a whole podcast.
Speaker 6 (42:17):
They can deal with that.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
It's I'm a huge Flyers fan. They popped up on Instagram.
Speaker 6 (42:21):
They had an orange jersey with sparkles on it.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
I didn't understand it. I just figured out what it's about.
I had no idea. I'm letting in on the joke.
So you learn things when you watch the inside it.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
And here we thought that this storyline was going to
stop in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
You grabs the.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Taylor and I guess Travis forgetting her on the podcast.
All right, we're back tomorrow. Send me of Eastern time.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
See you, everybody
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