April 23, 2025 • 42 mins
NFL Network Insiders Tom Pelissero, Ian Rapoport, Mike Garafolo and Judy Battista assemble on the eve of the 2025 NFL Draft. The Insiders are joined by a plethora of analysts, including Sara Walsh, Cam Wolfe, Bucky Brooks, Brian Baldinger and Jane Slater as plenty of question marks remain ahead of the draft... Who will the New York Giants take at No. 3? Will Shedeur Sanders fall to the Steelers? When will the top cornerbacks be taken? all that and more on this edition of the Insiders Podcast.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
The Toy twenty five l Draft kicks off tomorrow night,
and Green Bay is ready to get this party started.
We've got all the latest rumors and reports, including one
team making trade calls that could really shake up the
top five. Derek Carr's future New Orleans remains in flux,
as does Kirk Cousin's future in Atlanta for very different reasons.
(00:29):
Hear what Saints and Falcons brass said today about big
decisions lying ahead with their veteran quarterbacks. Who will the
Packers take in round one before the hometown crowd tomorrow night?
And we'll see what Josh Jacobs is rooting for when
he joins us right here at lambeau Field. Always a
great conversation with the real mayor of green Bay. Take that,
(00:50):
Eric Enrick, welcome inside with the insiders alongside Mike Garritfolo,
Judy Battista, Ian Rappaport, I am Tom Pelly Zero. Big
Night right here on NFL Network one hour from right now,
Daniel Jeremiah will drop his final mock draft. We know
some of the hits that he's had in the past,
(01:11):
both in terms of picks and trades. It's all in
a special mock Draft Live beginning one hour for right now.
Twenty four hours after that, the actual draft, the real one,
no more mocking, it will begin. Cam Ward Travis Hunter,
Ashton Genty. Where do they go? On Thursday night we
will finally get answers. Speaking of mock drafts, Charles Davis
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put out his third and final mock draft earlier tonight.
He's got Chalk at the top, cam Ward Travis Hunter,
Abdul Carter, He's got Mason Graham at number eight. He's
got no other quarterbacks in his first round. One of
many scenarios that we certainly have discussed as a part
of this show. Meanwhile, Ian, you see there, that's what
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a lot of people are thinking happens in the top five.
You said something a short time ago. It would really
make Can those mock drafts basically be able to be
set on fire?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Let's focus in on the Jacksonville Jaguars at number five.
My understanding is the Jaguars new general manager, James Gladstone
and Liam Cohen, the new coach, all sorts of new brass,
kind of a not a new way of thinking, but
a bold way of thinking in Jacksonville. That has been
my understanding of where they stand out. They are going
to be bold. They're not going to be timid. They're
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going to put themselves out there now if they choose,
if they stick at five, I would expect an offensive player,
they have an offensive head coach.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
But what if they don't.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
My understanding is, at least in the realm of conversation,
is the Jacksonville Jaguars going from five to two the
Cleveland Browns have number two. I think a lot of
people believe they would take Travis Hunter at number two,
playment receiver, sprinkle them in at corner a little bit.
But what if the Jaguars go from five to two
in trade out for them? It would cost a lot
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and it would be a big, bright, shiny object in Jacksonville.
Let the Cleveland Browns collect some picks, continue to elder team.
At least those conversations are expected to go on as
we a closer to tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Night, and that would really really shake up some My
understanding and talking to people is that right now we
would be considered unlikely that the Browns trade the number
two agree all pick. But there's not a lot of
players or picks in this league that there is not
a price at which you would consider it that somebody
make a Godfather type offer. We will find out sometime
in the next twenty five hours and change. We do
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feel pretty comfortable saying that the presumptive number one overall
pick and the guy taking number one in every mock
draft on the internet, it's gonna be Miami quarterback cam Ward,
a guy who's already gotten to know one of his
potential receivers in Tennessee.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Well, it's real good me and Kyle. He has a
great personality, good teammate, especially him being for Florida, so
we know a lot of same people. But he's one
of the lead raw runners in the NFL, I believe,
and you know, if I'll get a chance to play
with him and we gonna make people play.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
What'd you guys meet?
Speaker 1 (03:58):
He said, what'd you guys end up crossing paths? Just
over the phone?
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Okay, just made on social media at the phone. So
I got a chance to just finally talk to him
FaceTime and just bob with him.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
What do he tell you about particularly being a team nighte.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
He'll love it, you know, especially you know quarterback who
can get him the ball whenever he needs it. Who's
gonna be able to listen to him, and he's also
gonna have to, you know, take some listener for me.
Hold all my players accountable, and I hope they do
the same to me.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
By Friday morning, cam Moore could be on a plane
to Nashville, a flight that Sarah Walsh took not that
long ago. She is covering the Titans for us. Here
all signs Sarah for a couple of months now bean
pointing toward cam Ward being the number one overall pick.
If indeed that is the case, What is the feeling
around that city, in that building.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
Well, I can tell you right now it is relatively
quiet here in Tennessee at the Titans facility. I'm actually
up on the third floor. They only use this area
when they expect large contingencies of the media to gather,
which is what they're expecting tomorrow night. Behind me is
where Brian Kelly had is going to address the media
right after the Titans make that first pick. And how
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do we know that they're keeping that first pick? Well,
because their GM Mike Morganzi basically told us that figuratively
their phone lines are closed. They are not entertaining any offers.
They are going to make the first pick in the draft,
and everyone on the planet, as you said, expects that
to be cam Ward. Now, this is a guy unheralded
out of high school, unheralded at several stops in college,
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and really unheralded in this draft process. If you think
about who's gotten a lot of the headlines throughout this
entire thing, that all changes clearly tomorrow if he has
taken one overall, and some of that journey, a unique
journey is Brian Callahan describes it, says it has him
equipped to do well in the NFL, having to play
at different colleges, learn new places, new faces, new offenses.
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Callahan said, he feels good about where they're going, where
they are headed, and how they're going to get there
and tom Really the only mystery it feels like here
now is what time that plane is going to be
arriving on FT with cam Ward on it.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Sarah, thank you very much. A lot more from you
as this draft continues to approach. So if it's cam
Ward at number one that puts the Browns on the
clock at number two and the mock drafts, we've got
it right now with NFL dot Com or Reflective of
public sentiment. Is it Travis Hunter, is it Abdual Carter?
Could potentially we even have a trade if we do.
(06:23):
Cameron Ward is going to be Cameron Ward, Cameron Wolf.
I knew this was gonna happen. I've been saying this
was gonna happen. That's cams easy Cleveland. Cam Ward is
definitely not Camwolf will be all over this for us.
Can tell me, man that was bound to happen. Tell
me what's going on there? And Brian.
Speaker 7 (06:43):
Yeah, the Browns are unofficially on the clock with the
Titans set to take cam Ward, and their head coach
Kevin Stefanski said today they're gonna play a four corners offense,
essentially a stall tactic.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
They're gonna use all of the clock.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
They've done their homework.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
I'm actually told they're finishing up a team dinner of
the key execs for the Browns right now to kind
of put the hay in the barn. But from talking
to people here in the building and around the league,
the belief is they're going to choose between Abdul Carter
and Travis Hunter, and most of the folks I talk
to think Travis Hunter is going to be the pick,
but you guys mentioned it a few minutes ago. What
I'll be tracking over the next twenty four hours is
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do some of the calls they've received get home.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
You guys mentioned the Jaguars.
Speaker 7 (07:22):
I'm told multiple teams have called the Browns to see
what that price would be to get them off of
number two. Of course, they have their eyes on a
potential unicorn SHOWEO Tani was the comparison that GM Andrew
Barry gave.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
To Travis Hunter.
Speaker 7 (07:36):
You don't get rid of the chance to get a
unicorn unless something crazy comes about.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
I expect them as.
Speaker 7 (07:41):
Of right now to stay at two and make their pick,
but could get spicy over the next couple of days.
This could be the main team to watch on Draft Day.
I'm told they also have made preliminary calls to teams
in the back end of the first round to see
potentially about getting back in maybe four quarterback if it
rolls right their way on Draft.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Day, cam Wolf has you covered all the way up
until end, not Cam worstro out of the draft banks
seeing on Thursday night. All right, now, you got the
Giants sitting there at number three, and if in fact
it goes as a lot of people believe in Travis
Hunter goes at two. This is where things could get wild.
You see the options right here. Charles Lance Buckiet Mark
(08:19):
based there to say, Hey, whoever they don't take it
number two, that's the guy who goes to the Giants.
There are still no questions about whether or not potentially
they could end up going with a quarterback at that spot.
For now, Abduall Carter seems pretty pretty confident.
Speaker 8 (08:33):
What about your Philly roots?
Speaker 9 (08:35):
And if you did play in New York, what would
that be like?
Speaker 1 (08:39):
I'd be dope.
Speaker 8 (08:39):
But obviously you know, once I go to New York,
I'm all in New York.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
I'm have to leave Philly behind.
Speaker 8 (08:43):
So we'll see.
Speaker 9 (08:44):
What does Philly mean to you?
Speaker 8 (08:45):
It means Everything's where I come from, my roots, that's
where my family's from.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
So it means a lot. Yeah, all you heard it
right there from Abduall Carter, who certainly seems to believe
Judy that he's going at number three. But how does
this If it's war to one, if it's Hunter at two,
what are you feeling right now? Could be the direction
of three?
Speaker 10 (09:07):
Well, it's really been the same story with the Giants
now for weeks months. Really they've done a lot of
homework on the quarterbacks, but it comes down to do
they like one of the quarterbacks enough to take one
at number three That would presumably be Shdor Sanders if
they were going to do it, or do they go
best player available and in that case it would be
either Travis Hunter or obdil Carter, whoever the Browns do
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not take. The Giants have also Joshane told us the
Giants have also received calls from teams looking to move up.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
That was last week.
Speaker 10 (09:36):
He said that the decision is going to come down
to a question of do you go best player available
or do you go for a need? And Joe Shane
may have given a hint about the way he was
going to go when he talked to reporters last week
and he said, you know when you go for need,
that is when you can make mistakes. They feel like
they have upgraded their quarterback room this offseason when they
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signed Russell Wilson and j Miss Winston. They do not
feel like their feet or to the fire where they
have to take a quarterback. He said, the value has
to be there, So we will see how it plays
out tomorrow night. But certainly they are going to have options,
and possibly one of them could be even moving back.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
A lot of those veteran quarterbacks have found landing spots already.
One guy who is not still Atlanta Falcon, Kirk Cousins,
who actually showed up for work this week, is the
voluntary off season program got underway. He's doue twenty seven
point five million dollars fully guaranteed this season. Another ten
million dollars is fully guaranteed out in twenty twenty six.
My understanding, the Falcons have not exactly pushed the idea
(10:38):
so far of trading Kirk Cousins. Here's what Terry Fontineau
had to say today.
Speaker 11 (10:45):
Particularly with now in reference to Kirk. You know, with
any player, like we've always said, hey, look what we're
going to do what's best for this football team, whether
that's a trade or whatever it is, and so so
we're open to whatever it is if it's gonna help
it team. Those calls are really important too in terms
of the trades in which you want to really get
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a feel for going into the draft, knowing who's aggressive
and who actually wants to come up, who's looking to
move down. You want to get a feel for those Now,
they don't really materialize until the actual draft because it
depends on what's there. But that's how those calls go.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
And beyond materializing, you would also need Kirk Cousins to
sign off Mike because he does have a no trade
clause and certainly seems as if he is not going
to be afraid to wield it as necessary he does.
Speaker 12 (11:31):
And we touched on this a little bit last night,
Tom with the game between the Falcons and Kirk Cousins,
starting with the Falcons saying well, we don't have to
trade you. We're comfortable paying you that twenty seven and
a half million, which the guarantee went up to thirty
seven and a half over the next two years by
holding on to him through that deadline in March, and
Cousins now showing up for offseason workouts, which is definitely
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a message back to the team saying well, look, if
I get so far deep into this thing, I'm just
going to stay here as your backup quarterback, and then
you're gonna have to pay me all that money, which
ideally you don't want to do if you've got a
rookie or quarterback on a rookie deal that allows you
the ability to spend money elsewhere on the roster, but
if you're paying a chunk of that to your backup,
well that'll limit you a little bit in that regard.
(12:13):
And then there's the notion of whether you want Kirk
Cousins looking over Michael Pennock's shoulder. I know he didn't
play well last year, but he's an accomplished veteran. And
if Pennix all of a sudden starts to struggle, you know,
some folks will then be clamoring for Cousins. So this
is a way of him kind of pushing back and saying, look,
you know, I want out.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I've made that clear.
Speaker 12 (12:31):
It's got to be something that works for both sides,
is what you guys have said. So make this happen
during the draft. Otherwise you could have me around for
a while, which I know the Falcons have said all along,
we're comfortable doing that. So maybe that'll wind up being
the case, or maybe he gets moved in the next
couple of days.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
We shall see.
Speaker 12 (12:45):
We certainly looked at Cleveland before, I think we now
we're going to.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Look at Pittsburgh as well.
Speaker 12 (12:49):
They don't have an answer yet on Aaron Rodgers. Could
Kirk Cousins wind up being the veteran option for them?
Speaker 1 (12:53):
We shall see. It is a fascinating approach here. Everybody's thinking,
you stay away and show your displeasure, or you show
up and make everybody go Here. I am the guy
who's the leader of your football team. For most of
last year, it's an uncomfortable situation. Although for a year
since they took Michael Pennox last year, Mike, they've seemed
comfortable with the uncomfortable. Yeah, no doubt about that.
Speaker 12 (13:14):
Well, now we're looking at Shador Sanders this year as
potentially the guy that could get drafted into a team
where they already have a gu or maybe not, maybe
to a team like the Pittsburgh Steelers with a twenty
first overall pick. Should he slide that far, and if
he doesn't go to the Giants, it's very well within
the realm of possibilities that he could get to that point,
which is why our guy Bucky Brooks, who was sitting
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right next to me alongside Brian Baldinger, has him mocked
to the Steelers at.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Number twenty one.
Speaker 12 (13:40):
Do you feel like that would be a good fit
for Shador Sanders, if he winds up there with Mike
Tomlin and the Steels, will probably.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Be the best fit that he could find.
Speaker 13 (13:46):
And when you're a young quarterback, the thing that you
want a stability. You want a hair coach that's gonna
believe in you just gonna put the structure there that
is necessary to be able to be successful. But more importantly,
you want the weapons on the outside, DK Metcalf, George
Pickens to be able to play the way that you
want to play. When you go back and look at
this tape of Colorado, he's one of the best deep
ball passes that we find.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Touch time actually is all there.
Speaker 13 (14:06):
And when I think about the still his brand and
how Mike Tounlan is kind of able to weather the
bullets when people attack certain players, I think it's the
perfect environment for him to land because the coach is
going to do everything to make sure it's a good environment.
Speaker 14 (14:18):
But you know, Mike, you're the insider. We don't know
what Aaron Rodgers' status is at this point. If I
knew that, if we knew that, it'd be a little
easier to mock shduor Sanders to Pittsburgh. If we had
doubts about Aaron Rodgers showing up. But if we kind
of knew that and Mason Rudolph was there, I don't
think he was any pressure for Pittsburgh to have to
draft basically the successor to Ben Roethlisberger, because that's what
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they've been trying to do for the last five years,
and so that still needs to get done. But to
Bucky's point, if you like shaduor Sanders, just to the
point where all the assets that Bucky just explained put
him there on a rookie contract, whether Aaron Rodgers is
there or not, you get to at least a year
to learn, and you still have a rookie contract where
you can build your team around that quarterback going forward.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
I'll tell you one thing.
Speaker 12 (15:05):
If should or Sanders gets to that point and goes
to the Steelers and he's with Aaron Rodgers, Roger's gonna
be able to tell him about that chip on the
shoulder from lasting that long in the draft, because if
it's gonna be eighteen long picks if he doesn't go
to the Giants and then he gets to the Steelers,
which of course brings in the possibility of some of
these teams including the Giants then trading into.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
The first round to grab him on the back.
Speaker 14 (15:25):
If the smile will return if the Steelers take him
at twenty one, Yeah, like it might go away for
a little while. Yeah, as that camera is peeking in
on him. You know, I don't think he swetched though,
Like that that smiles.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
There, Yeah, you know it always smiles. Tom Pallisero never
not smiling. Blby twenty years ago today, Aaron Rodgers had
a long wait. I would fairly say, if you're gonna
get stuck in the green room, they've upgraded substantially. It's
no longer just a bunch of circular chairs with your
circular tables with like the folding chairs around them.
Speaker 15 (15:55):
Here.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
This is this is pretty posh over there in the
Rush Events Center, part of a really cool draft experience here.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I mean that that's a lounge need bottle service out
of that thing.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Some players will its going.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
To be it advisable?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeah, I agree that I would agree.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
All right, let's get into an article Tom that you
post on NFL dot com over the course of the
last twenty four hours, a twelve thousand word article, as
you do every year, digging deep on the quarterbacks who
are likely to get drafted. What was the most important
or interesting thing you learned.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I think it was pretty clear in talking with a
number of people around the league, from coaches to scouts
to executive is that beyond cam Ward, there is really
not a second quarterback that is a consensus, surefire starting
type of a player. That includes Shador Sanders, who we've
talked about a ton on the show. It includes Jackson
Dart who also was a potential first round pick, Jaylen Milroe,
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even Tyler Schuck potentially in that first round mix. But
there's These are all projections, and these are all things
that teams see holes as well as they see positives.
But it comes specifically to Shador. And there was one
particular quote that got pulled out of that story that
people didn't read. The other eleven nine hundred plus words
of it out Shador Sanders and one particular coach saying
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it was the worst formal interview he's ever been in,
and that Sanders is entitled among other things here. What
I would tell you is this that was not the
only person who had that opinion and expressed that they
were not exactly impressed by what they heard and their
interaction with Shadoor Sanders. But it goes far more broad
than this. He's been a very accurate quarterback. He's been
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really really tough. He came to a program that would
won one game before he got there at Colorado, and
you saw the progress with him and his father, Dion,
and the steps forward that they were able to take
over the past couple of years. But this is a
one of one type of an evaluation when it comes
to Chador Sanders. There's nobody else in this draft who
is the son of maybe the greatest multi sport athlete
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we've ever seen in the NFL and in Major League
Baseball certainly, there's nobody else who then has been coached
by that superstar father going all the way up through
high school and then into four years of college here.
And one of the major questions the teams have here
is when you put him in a different type of
an accountability structure where it's not having his father there,
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it's not everything being structured around the way that Schaduur
wants it, or who he wants the coaches to be
or the plays that he wants to be called. How
is he going to react and is there going to
be some level of a culture shock that comes with it.
I had one GM who is spent time with Shadueur
Sanders in this process, saying, hey, you just got to
like them. There's not going to get probably one hundred
percent consensus in any building, but it's still possible that
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the Giants take him. That really still seems to be
one of the possibilities for Shaduur Sanders going into draft day.
The Giants at three the Steelers at twenty one would
be another. If it's not one of those two teams,
it may come down to somebody trading up into the
first round, or also be schadu Sanders still waiting for
his name to be called on Friday Night. We've also
got some sad news to share tonight out of Chicago.
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Steve McMichael, one of the legendary Bears a Hall of
Fame defensive I'man, passed away today at age sixty seven
after a long battle with als. Jared Payton, the son
of Walter Payton, is the family spokesperson, gave the news
on social media, saying with deep sorrow, I shared that
Steve McMichael passed at five twenty eight pm after a
brave fight with als, surrounded by loved ones. I'm grateful
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to have been with him in his final moments. Please
keep Steve and his family in your prayers, Say with
Michael played in a franchise record one hundred and ninety
one consecutive games from nineteen eighty one to nineteen ninety
three and ranks second to Richard Dent on the Bears
all time sacks list with ninety two and a half.
Michael played on the Bears nineteen eighty five Super Bowl
championship team, was an All Pro in nineteen eighty five
(19:40):
and nineteen eighty seven. He was inducted into the Pro
Football Hall of Fame in twenty twenty four. Steve Bongo
McMichael passing away today at age sixty seven, and here's
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the hand off.
Speaker 13 (20:04):
Jacobs bounce it to the right, touch down, Love dumps
it off over him.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
He's got Tacus how to get back to the end.
Speaker 16 (20:11):
So right, I got an idea.
Speaker 9 (20:14):
How about if it's the Jacobs.
Speaker 14 (20:17):
Hand off goes to Jacobs running world left side, thirty
breaks a tackle, twenty five twenty times five touchdown crane
knife packers.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
When the NFL Draft is in Green Bay, who better
to welcome us than none other than that guy, Josh Jacobs.
What's going on, man, good.
Speaker 9 (20:36):
To see it.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
It's good man, Thanks for having Yeah, absolutely so. I
mean it's crazy out there right now in the parking lot.
I don't know if you saw the draft stage. And
what does it feel like to have the draft in
your backyard here?
Speaker 8 (20:45):
I mean, I know it's real big for this community.
I mean, first time I ever having it here. I
think it's gonna be special. I think it's gonna I
think it's gonna be a.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Real good one.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
How much do you get into the draft, gyman? Are
you are you looking at maybe players pickers could take?
Are you looking at running back to being like, all right,
I like what this guy does?
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Not a big fan?
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Like?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
How much do you get into it? Oh?
Speaker 8 (21:06):
I would say a little bit of both. I would
say definitely, you know, just talking to the team, you
know about things that we think that we can, you know,
feel in certain spots and things like that. And then
obviously the guys that I like, the guys that I
have relationships with and things like that. I tend to
watch a lot more so six.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Years ago this week, you have your draft experience, you
go in the first round of the rads.
Speaker 15 (21:26):
Just take me through what you remember most from that day.
I remember that day being a lot of work. I
remember he was that young guy right there. That's a
good shoot. Yeah, I remember that day being a lot
of work.
Speaker 9 (21:39):
It was.
Speaker 8 (21:40):
It was a lot more that went into it that
I than I expected. But it was a memorable moment,
you know, for me and my family. So it was fun.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Uh, there's a that's a strong possibility that we see
running back taken in the top ten or maybe in
the top five.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
We'll see Ashton genty h. We've seen highlight it's all
over the place. He has done a ton.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
What do you think of his game?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Does he does he remind you of anyone? Kind of
take me through what it's like watching him.
Speaker 8 (22:08):
Man, He's he's phenomenal. Man, He's he's going to be
a guy in this league. I think he's going to
have success early no matter what team he goes to. Honestly,
I think for him, the biggest thing is just going
to be, you know, learning a new system of getting
adjusted to the NFL and you know, finding out what
works for him and what doesn't work on this level.
But I think that he's gonna have a lot of success.
(22:30):
I try to tell the rookies all the time that
the second year is a lot harder than the first.
And I feel that way because you know, defense is
tending a scheme for you a little bit more, guys
know you a little bit more. It's more film on you,
you know, and things like that. So when you come in,
you should hit the ground running. Especially for a guy
that's elite like him, I think he's going to do fine.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
You said, you know some guys in this straft right
personal relationship?
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Who do you know?
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Who do you like in this draft?
Speaker 8 (22:55):
I like a lot of the running backs, man, I'm not.
I think this is one of the biggest, you know,
deepest running back drafts you know, in recent years. And
I just try to, you know, peep peep the game,
you know, the competition a little bit, but also just
seeing what the guys are doing and uh, seeing what's
gonna translate.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
I think that, you know, with the way that the
NFL is now.
Speaker 8 (23:16):
Especially for the running back position, how how it's coming
full circles, is becoming more of a you know, uh
a thing. Again, I think that the way that you
have to play as a running back is starting to change.
You have to be able to do everything, especially if
you want to be a guy that you know that
gets the bigger contracts and things like that, and you
got to be able to do it at a you know,
at a decent level for you know, and be consistent
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at doing it. So I think that a lot of
these young guys that's coming in, they have a lot
of potential. Hopefully they get in the right systems and
be able to be around some vestas you know, teach
them how to play the game and how to be
a pro and things like that, and they're gonna be fine.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
When you were talking to the Raiders about a new
contract that eventually obviously come to the Packers, you were
one of the guys we're fighting for real running back
money kind of help build up this running back market.
Now you look at him and obviously Sake One got
a new deal recently, you had a really nice deal.
It's this running back market has sort of been rebuilt.
You mentioned coming full circle with all of these good
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backs in this draft now in the position maybe feels
like getting as much respect as we've seen in a
long time, Like, how does that kind of make you
feel thinking about all that.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
I mean, I'm happy for him obviously. I mean, I'm
still in this, so I'm happy for myself too, But
I'm happy for the guys, you know, like Bjon and
all of these guys. Their contracts are coming up, so
I think that whatever they get is kind of going
to be like set the tone for you know, what
it's looking like over the next few years. But it's
headed in the right direction for sure.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
So you work with USAA this week the official Salute
the Service Partner of the NFL at an event coming up.
Tell me about it.
Speaker 8 (24:49):
Yeah, so we're doing the event, you know with USAA
Salute the Service Team do with the NFL. Clay Matthews
is actually going to be there too, so it's gonna
be my first time being able to pick his brain
in a little bit. But I mean, it's a lot
for me, and it means so much to me to
be able to give back to the veterans because those
are guys that I feel like, men and women that sacrifice,
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you know, on a daily basis for the basic rights
and needs that we take, you know, advantage of every day.
Not only that my grandfather and my uncle was was,
you know, veterans. So for me, it just hits a
little differently. I've seen like the ups and downs that
what comes with you know, being the you know communicat,
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I mean committed to you know, doing that type of
service and the things that they sacrifice on a day
to day basis.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
I think it's huge.
Speaker 8 (25:40):
So for me, any little thing that I could do
to give back, you know, and some of the people
from Wisconsin's veterans are actually going to be there, So
anything I could do to give back, you know, whether
it's talk to kids from a fallen soldier or whatever. Man,
it's it's all. I'm all for it.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I think it's a big deal. Last thing before we
let you go Packers on the number twenty three pick,
you made a comment or were in the off seasoned
number one receiver when you're when you're listening or watching
wherever you're gonna be on Thursday, who do you hope?
Who do you hope goes number twenty three? Man? I
really don't know.
Speaker 8 (26:11):
I feel like, you know, the draft, it's it's hard, really,
you know, it's their jobs are really hard because you
know a lot of the guys that I feel like
that you'd be looking at kind of be off the
board or may or may not be there, like so
do you take the best guy available or not? I
don't know. I know that we've been, you know, as
a team for us, been putting together some some players
in this off you know, off season, like Nate Hobbs
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and you know, McCole, Harmon and things like that.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I think we're gonna be all right.
Speaker 8 (26:35):
I think these these group that we have, give them
another year of you know, being able to play in
the NFL, another.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Year of experience and things. We're gonna be fine.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
If bump into Goody, just just ask for us, find out,
let us know it's gonna be Josh Jacobs takes a ton, man.
I appreciate you here man.
Speaker 13 (26:50):
Thanks V.
Speaker 12 (26:53):
Now today into the NFL Network, we continue to monitor
the Derek Carr situation down there in New Orleans with
his shoulder injuries. Saints general manager Mickey Loomis hadn't yet
spoken on the issue, did speak about it today, well,
at least very briefly.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
He does have an issue with his shoulder.
Speaker 16 (27:12):
We're hoping he gets some resolution and clarity on that
in the near future, and when we do, I'll report
back to you otherwise, I don't have anything more to
state about Derek, but I'm open to any pre draft
questions that you might have.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
That's time for ask the aces.
Speaker 12 (27:32):
Ace Slater joining us presented by Ace Ac Slater, A
Slater Jane Slater is along with us. Jane, you're down
there in New Orleans for the draft. Before we get
your take on what the Saints are going to do
at number nine, let me add a little bit more context,
since Mickey Lewis didn't seem like he was interested in
doing that. It is a throwing shoulder injury to Derek Carr.
He is not at the team's offseason workouts right now.
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That's because he is going through the process with his
own medical folks right now. But there's been constant communication
with the New Orleans Saints, the sides trying to figure
out what is the best path to move forward now
with Derek Carr, which still could include surgery. So we'll
continue to monitor that and see where we get any
updates with regard to that. So that being said, the
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Saints again sitting there at number nine, what do we
think happens there and beyond in the draft for them?
Speaker 17 (28:21):
Before people lose anything from that report. Mike, it may
not seem like a lot, but I do think it's
very interesting that he's got his people getting eyeballs on
that throwing shoulder. And while he might be keeping the
Saints in communication, a lot of teams like to keep
their eyeballs on these things themselves, don't they. So I
think that's very very interesting as we look at this
pick nine, just because we've heard this news, as you're saying,
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they're this possibility that it could jeopardize next season, Well,
shouldn't that automatically mean that the Saints are then going
to draft a quarterback?
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Not necessarily.
Speaker 17 (28:52):
If you listen to Mickey Loomis today, he talked about
one of the bigger changes happening in the building right
now is the fact that you've got Brandon Staley coming
in here with a three four defense.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Why is that a big deal?
Speaker 17 (29:03):
Well, the Saints have been a four to three for
several years. When you're typically looking at a three four defense,
you're going to need more athletic guys, you know, thinner
and build guys that can come off the edge. Now,
I do know the Saints have done a lot of
scouting at Georgia, and they've got two really intriguing guys
that you should keep an eye on at nine, Mikel
Williams and of course Jalen Walker, who's got some Micah
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Parsons tendencies to him there. Now, I'm not saying they
completely avoid the quarterback situation. I'm sure they're going to
address that later.
Speaker 18 (29:31):
And a guy like Kellen Moore.
Speaker 17 (29:32):
Certainly was used to helping develop a guy they found
in a fourth round, Dak Prescott there in Dallas.
Speaker 12 (29:38):
There will be options at the top of the second
round and beyond for the Saints. We'll see if they
wait until then to address the issue. Thank you, Ace Slater.
It's been asked the aces presented by Ace Hardware, Judy.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
All right.
Speaker 10 (29:52):
From pick number nine to pick number ten, that is
the Chicago Bears here. It's where some of our guys
have them going, edge, running back, offensive tackle, offensive tackle.
They did a lot of work in free agency to
support Caleb Williams, who of course was the number one
pick at this time last year. You know, he's got
all The answers on this are Stacey Dale's. She's in Chicago.
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She will be with the Bears tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Stacy.
Speaker 10 (30:16):
As we said, Caleb Williams was number one last year
to the Bears. They did a lot of work in
free agency to put stuff around him.
Speaker 18 (30:22):
What are they going to do in the draft, Well,
they start at ten, Judy. They have seven picks in
this draft, but they have four golden picks through seventy two,
which allows Ryan Poles and his team to do some
things movement wise and movement speaking of it, he spoke
this week about he expects a lot of movement in
this draft. There's a lot of really good players, a
large pool of players, and when you're looking and staring
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down number ten, the Bears see a lot of really
good players right there to pick at ten, they certainly
could move down. But because of the fact that Ian Cunningham,
the assistant GM touched on it, there's a lot of
power players in these pools going to have similar value.
I think they stay there at ten. And you could
also ask are they going to move up? Well, they
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only have seven picks and they need some more picks.
They had five total last year in the draft, and
they certainly added to their roster. But I wouldn't be
surprised if they add a little bit more they have
thirty nine, forty one, and seventy two. Maybe they move
down with those guys, but they're going to get not
just a player by position at number ten, They're going
to get a value pick at number ten. Best available
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is the philosophy, and I certainly anticipate them to use
it and get the best available because there's going to
be a bunch. We'll see where Shador Sanders goes, though,
as you know, Judy the domino could change there. With
the quarterbacks, they're going to get a really good player,
doesn't mean it has to be in the trenches. Could
be another skill player like eh Hashton Genti or Tyler Warren.
The tight end, we'll see.
Speaker 10 (31:49):
Big opportunity to put more pieces around Caleb William Stacey
Dale's thank.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
You very much.
Speaker 10 (31:55):
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Speaker 5 (32:14):
Obviously, the expectations that he's had, you know, throughout his
college career and then taking Colorado to new heights like that.
You know that's not easy.
Speaker 19 (32:22):
The knock is a little bit of the arm strength,
and then you know, holding the ball took a lot
of sacks with.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
My experience of playing, like if I can show my
guys you know that I can get hit and then
keep going, that just shows a lot about you know,
your leadership and just being able to learn to get
the ball out, play within the timing of the offense
and concepts. I think those are things that he has
and will continue to learn.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
And develop, no doubt.
Speaker 10 (32:48):
Well, you just heard Josh Jacobs say at the running
back is back. How high will Ashton gent go tomorrow night?
Spoiler alert, It could be pretty high. We'll discuss it
when we return on the Insiders.
Speaker 15 (33:12):
Here here we go.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
It's not do or die, but it's close.
Speaker 19 (33:16):
I was fourth down and goal to go against Texas.
You know, I knew we had to have a big stop.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Pressure comes, knock it out, picks it up.
Speaker 19 (33:25):
I remember the ball bouncing right up to me and
I just saw you know, nothing but green grass and
I hit about the fifty. I'm like, man, I better
have some blockers so I might get hot down. One
of my best memories ever as a Buckeye is, you know,
looking back at about the thirty for the last time,
and all I see is, you know, a bunch of
my brothers just running down the field with me with
their hands in the air. And that's why I knew
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I was going to get in.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
That dagger for eighty two yards.
Speaker 19 (33:49):
You know, I couldn't draw it up any better. So
I was thankful to really help our team win a
national championship by punching our ticket. Jack Sawyer Defensive end
number thirty three the Ohio State University.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
It's Ohio State.
Speaker 14 (34:06):
Together at the mountaintop, champions of college football.
Speaker 19 (34:09):
Being a local kid growing up in Columbus, you know,
dreaming about putting on the scarletand gray, and you know,
being able to be there for four years and deciding
to come back for my senior year with the rest
of my guys, and to eventually come out on top
as national champions. It was such a surreal and once
in a lifetime experience.
Speaker 17 (34:24):
That's something I'll never forget.
Speaker 19 (34:28):
I remember my first day in pads. You know, we're
lining up, We're doing a tackling drill. I'm going against kid.
It's like a couple of years older than me and
a little bigger than me. At the time, I remember
getting ran flat over on my back put on my ass.
About ten minutes later, I got my wits back to me.
I'll put with the pads back ons. I want that
guy again. And you know I was able to take
him down.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
He is flattened by Jack Sawyer.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Guys, there's Jack Sawyer.
Speaker 19 (34:51):
If I fly around, I'm physical, I play fast, I
hit people in the mouth, and I make big plays
my team. I think the skills I have that I
separated myself from the other It was my toughness and
the way I played with so much grit and passion
and the ability to stop the run and play the
pass at the same time. Both my parents love football.
My dad played football. I thank God for this opportunity
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and the gives he's blessing with since the first time
I ever picked a football up is dreaming about being
able to play in the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
It's a dream come true and I thank God for
every second of it.
Speaker 12 (35:28):
Jack Sawyer, we're listening for his name on day two.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Maybe someone will trade up to select him.
Speaker 12 (35:32):
Speaking of trades, here were all your Day one trades
last year, including the Buffalo bill saying we're going to
pass on a couple of Xaviers at the wide receiver position.
Let him go to the Chiefs and the Panthers, Bucky Brooks,
Brian Baldinger here with me, Mike Garraffalo. As we look
at this year's draft, you wouldn't be surprised if Dot
filling the bank.
Speaker 13 (35:53):
Buddy Oh, say three wide receivers go in the first round,
and I'm saying three, and debt does not include Travis
Sunnier because we can call him as a two way
when we think about Treff's under he goes. But how
about Taed McMillan, Matthew Golden and Amika a Buka going
off in the first round. When we get to the
bottom of the first round, there's some teams that need
some guys to step in and be quality playmakers' quality additions.
And though I would say that I don't see any
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of these as a true number one, they're teams that
need those complimentary playmakers on the outside. To me, this
is a solid class, not an elite class, but a
solid class and key contribute.
Speaker 14 (36:25):
I would not be surprised if Ashton Gent goes as
high to five to Jacksonville, Oh, man, I wouldn't be surprised.
They've been trying to run the ball foreven and you
know we've seen Travis CTN. Maybe he's hit the wall,
but he's gone backwards. They need help for Trevor Lawrence. Sometimes, Bucky,
you can build a wall in front of you and
just plug it back in and that works. But sometimes
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you just see a special back that can make everybody
look good. I blocked for Dorset and Eric Tickerson.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
They made me look good, all right.
Speaker 14 (36:53):
So sometimes you need the back to make the guys
up front look good. Sometimes your quarterback, it's good if
you just three hundred times Toordia sees just hands.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Off to a guy like Cash.
Speaker 14 (37:02):
To Judge, I can see Jacksonville with the whole new
regime here, from Boselli to Gladstone de Liam Cohen saying,
let's start with the running back.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Bucky. There's no doubt Bald and Bucky.
Speaker 12 (37:12):
There's no doubt what Sa Kwon Barkley did this year
and Derek k It's made the running back position back.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
In vogue with the draft, right, Yeah, we're back into talent.
The talent is there this year too.
Speaker 14 (37:22):
That also helps.
Speaker 12 (37:22):
Gotta have the talent as well, You guys always have
the talent.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
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Speaker 2 (37:58):
Yeah, well, life, four weeks away from the draft. I
don't think it hit me yet, you know, Dom about
to get drafted.
Speaker 12 (38:06):
The twenty first pick in the NFL Draft.
Speaker 9 (38:10):
Today we finished our last part of the pro day,
the last event in the pre draft process.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Telling what's up, my brother, how you doing? It feels
great to be back in Mizoo, you know, see my
old teammates.
Speaker 9 (38:23):
Kind of a lot to take in on that this
is your last time throwing truly in the in the
Ducks uniform, and I mean.
Speaker 18 (38:31):
This is where the standards are set. This is where
we find out your next path in our life.
Speaker 9 (38:37):
All that work that you put in for this dream
that you want to accomplish, and man, this is it.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Johnny's comes to in the end, New Ones beginning, time
out to play a little more. NFL Draft fact or
Fiction with me, Tom Pila Sero, and Ian Rappaport high
above lambeau Field. The NFL Draft kicks off in just
a little bit more than twenty four hours. Okay. In
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fact or fiction, there will be zero trades in the
top ten.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
That's sort of the common line of thinking, because you know,
you don't see teams clamoring to trade up. I'm gonna
go with fiction. I'm gonna go with fiction. Here's why
this is going to be a weird.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
And wild draft for a variety of reasons.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
And there was going to be some player, probably one
player that's gonna slip through to maybe eight or not.
Maybe it's a tackle. Maybe it's like the last really
good offensive tackle. Maybe it's a defensive tackle, and someone's like,
I gotta go up and get him, maybe just a
couple quick spots, but I do believe.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
We see a trade in the top ten.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
How about this one fact or fiction, the first cornerback,
not quarterback, cornerback does not come off the board in
the top twenty.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
I'm going with fact on that one.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
And you know, i know, early on in the mock
draft process, seemed that was going to be like maybe
a top ten corner, maybe a top fifteen corner.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
I'm not sure we see that now. It's not a
great corner class.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
And even the ones who are really good, like everybody
loves John Ay Baron, Maxwell Harriston, they really like different guys.
Baron could be a nickel, Harriston's kind of a more
slight guy. I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see
one until maybe twenty and one of those guys probably
the first corner off the board, which you'd ask me
a month or so ago, I would have said, that's insane.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
That's what it's like.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
With some injuries and other issues affecting that process with
the corners. One name that somebody in the league told
me today it would not be surprised as the first
corner off the board Chavon Ravel from East Carolina coming
off of torn acl the player has been making good progress.
Might have been the top one if you weren't hurt.
Could he still be talk about that more right now
that you got news on a different dB.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
The Detroit Lions have agreed to terms with They're all
pro safety Kirby Joseph. He gets a four year, eighty
six million dollars deal twenty one point five million dollars
per year in a contract done by agent Lewis, being
now the highest paid safety and NFL history eurer. Last year,
the Lions had a couple big time extensions on their
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stars right before the draft when he was in Detroit.
This year, it is Kirby Joseph getting the bag. Who
would expect Aiden Hutchinson potentially to be next for the line.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Also a friend of the show. Congrats to Herby Joseph.
Back in twenty sixteen, Mitchell Van Vorn was the young
man chosen to announce the Dolphins that selected a tight
end in the seventh round of the draft. Fast forward
nine years, Mitchell Van Vorn is now a tight end
who potentially could be a late round pick in this draft.
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He's from right up the road in Pestigo, was an
All Big East hurdler at Marquette was a grand transfer,
played at Division three satan Auber College, which is right
over there into Peer. The Packers worked him out, the
Browns worked him out. For what I've told, he's got
a couple of other teams interested too. This would be
one of the great full circle moments. Not to mention
Ian that he would be getting drafted right here in
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his backyard.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Well, I kind of wonder to take this a little further,
like what happens. Does he does he go there and
like announce it or go like does he walk up
and say his own name?
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Would they let him do that?
Speaker 1 (42:09):
And then that would be That would be very solid, Mike,
What would you like to see happening?
Speaker 12 (42:13):
This would be like Ian who threw out the first
pitch in the Mets game recently starting Game one of
the World Series. And that's total fantasy because the Mets.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Are never going back to the World Series.
Speaker 10 (42:25):
Four game sweep, Buddy, four game sweep the Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Pctum, you did, Let's go Mets.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Hey, we got Daniel Jeremiah unveiling his mock draft right now.
That is next level. Over twenty four hours draft inside
it back on Monday, DJ's next, see you
The Toy twenty five l Draft kicks off tomorrow night,
and Green Bay is ready to get this party started.
We've got all the latest rumors and reports, including one
team making trade calls that could really shake up the
top five. Derek Carr's future New Orleans remains in flux,
as does Kirk Cousin's future in Atlanta for very different reasons.
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Hear what Saints and Falcons brass said today about big
decisions lying ahead with their veteran quarterbacks. Who will the
Packers take in round one before the hometown crowd tomorrow night?
And we'll see what Josh Jacobs is rooting for when
he joins us right here at lambeau Field. Always a
great conversation with the real mayor of green Bay. Take that,
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Eric Enrick, welcome inside with the insiders alongside Mike Garritfolo,
Judy Battista, Ian Rappaport, I am Tom Pelly Zero. Big
Night right here on NFL Network one hour from right now,
Daniel Jeremiah will drop his final mock draft. We know
some of the hits that he's had in the past,
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both in terms of picks and trades. It's all in
a special mock Draft Live beginning one hour for right now.
Twenty four hours after that, the actual draft, the real one,
no more mocking, it will begin. Cam Ward Travis Hunter,
Ashton Genty. Where do they go? On Thursday night we
will finally get answers. Speaking of mock drafts, Charles Davis
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put out his third and final mock draft earlier tonight.
He's got Chalk at the top, cam Ward Travis Hunter,
Abdul Carter, He's got Mason Graham at number eight. He's
got no other quarterbacks in his first round. One of
many scenarios that we certainly have discussed as a part
of this show. Meanwhile, Ian, you see there, that's what
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a lot of people are thinking happens in the top five.
You said something a short time ago. It would really
make Can those mock drafts basically be able to be
set on fire?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Let's focus in on the Jacksonville Jaguars at number five.
My understanding is the Jaguars new general manager, James Gladstone
and Liam Cohen, the new coach, all sorts of new brass,
kind of a not a new way of thinking, but
a bold way of thinking in Jacksonville. That has been
my understanding of where they stand out. They are going
to be bold. They're not going to be timid. They're
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going to put themselves out there now if they choose,
if they stick at five, I would expect an offensive player,
they have an offensive head coach.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
But what if they don't.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
My understanding is, at least in the realm of conversation,
is the Jacksonville Jaguars going from five to two the
Cleveland Browns have number two. I think a lot of
people believe they would take Travis Hunter at number two,
playment receiver, sprinkle them in at corner a little bit.
But what if the Jaguars go from five to two
in trade out for them? It would cost a lot
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and it would be a big, bright, shiny object in Jacksonville.
Let the Cleveland Browns collect some picks, continue to elder team.
At least those conversations are expected to go on as
we a closer to tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Night, and that would really really shake up some My
understanding and talking to people is that right now we
would be considered unlikely that the Browns trade the number
two agree all pick. But there's not a lot of
players or picks in this league that there is not
a price at which you would consider it that somebody
make a Godfather type offer. We will find out sometime
in the next twenty five hours and change. We do
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feel pretty comfortable saying that the presumptive number one overall
pick and the guy taking number one in every mock
draft on the internet, it's gonna be Miami quarterback cam Ward,
a guy who's already gotten to know one of his
potential receivers in Tennessee.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Well, it's real good me and Kyle. He has a
great personality, good teammate, especially him being for Florida, so
we know a lot of same people. But he's one
of the lead raw runners in the NFL, I believe,
and you know, if I'll get a chance to play
with him and we gonna make people play.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
What'd you guys meet?
Speaker 1 (03:58):
He said, what'd you guys end up crossing paths? Just
over the phone?
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Okay, just made on social media at the phone. So
I got a chance to just finally talk to him
FaceTime and just bob with him.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
What do he tell you about particularly being a team nighte.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
He'll love it, you know, especially you know quarterback who
can get him the ball whenever he needs it. Who's
gonna be able to listen to him, and he's also
gonna have to, you know, take some listener for me.
Hold all my players accountable, and I hope they do
the same to me.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
By Friday morning, cam Moore could be on a plane
to Nashville, a flight that Sarah Walsh took not that
long ago. She is covering the Titans for us. Here
all signs Sarah for a couple of months now bean
pointing toward cam Ward being the number one overall pick.
If indeed that is the case, What is the feeling
around that city, in that building.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
Well, I can tell you right now it is relatively
quiet here in Tennessee at the Titans facility. I'm actually
up on the third floor. They only use this area
when they expect large contingencies of the media to gather,
which is what they're expecting tomorrow night. Behind me is
where Brian Kelly had is going to address the media
right after the Titans make that first pick. And how
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do we know that they're keeping that first pick? Well,
because their GM Mike Morganzi basically told us that figuratively
their phone lines are closed. They are not entertaining any offers.
They are going to make the first pick in the draft,
and everyone on the planet, as you said, expects that
to be cam Ward. Now, this is a guy unheralded
out of high school, unheralded at several stops in college,
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and really unheralded in this draft process. If you think
about who's gotten a lot of the headlines throughout this
entire thing, that all changes clearly tomorrow if he has
taken one overall, and some of that journey, a unique
journey is Brian Callahan describes it, says it has him
equipped to do well in the NFL, having to play
at different colleges, learn new places, new faces, new offenses.
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Callahan said, he feels good about where they're going, where
they are headed, and how they're going to get there
and tom Really the only mystery it feels like here
now is what time that plane is going to be
arriving on FT with cam Ward on it.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Sarah, thank you very much. A lot more from you
as this draft continues to approach. So if it's cam
Ward at number one that puts the Browns on the
clock at number two and the mock drafts, we've got
it right now with NFL dot Com or Reflective of
public sentiment. Is it Travis Hunter, is it Abdual Carter?
Could potentially we even have a trade if we do.
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Cameron Ward is going to be Cameron Ward, Cameron Wolf.
I knew this was gonna happen. I've been saying this
was gonna happen. That's cams easy Cleveland. Cam Ward is
definitely not Camwolf will be all over this for us.
Can tell me, man that was bound to happen. Tell
me what's going on there? And Brian.
Speaker 7 (06:43):
Yeah, the Browns are unofficially on the clock with the
Titans set to take cam Ward, and their head coach
Kevin Stefanski said today they're gonna play a four corners offense,
essentially a stall tactic.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
They're gonna use all of the clock.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
They've done their homework.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
I'm actually told they're finishing up a team dinner of
the key execs for the Browns right now to kind
of put the hay in the barn. But from talking
to people here in the building and around the league,
the belief is they're going to choose between Abdul Carter
and Travis Hunter, and most of the folks I talk
to think Travis Hunter is going to be the pick,
but you guys mentioned it a few minutes ago. What
I'll be tracking over the next twenty four hours is
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do some of the calls they've received get home.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
You guys mentioned the Jaguars.
Speaker 7 (07:22):
I'm told multiple teams have called the Browns to see
what that price would be to get them off of
number two. Of course, they have their eyes on a
potential unicorn SHOWEO Tani was the comparison that GM Andrew
Barry gave.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
To Travis Hunter.
Speaker 7 (07:36):
You don't get rid of the chance to get a
unicorn unless something crazy comes about.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
I expect them as.
Speaker 7 (07:41):
Of right now to stay at two and make their pick,
but could get spicy over the next couple of days.
This could be the main team to watch on Draft Day.
I'm told they also have made preliminary calls to teams
in the back end of the first round to see
potentially about getting back in maybe four quarterback if it
rolls right their way on Draft.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Day, cam Wolf has you covered all the way up
until end, not Cam worstro out of the draft banks
seeing on Thursday night. All right, now, you got the
Giants sitting there at number three, and if in fact
it goes as a lot of people believe in Travis
Hunter goes at two. This is where things could get wild.
You see the options right here. Charles Lance Buckiet Mark
(08:19):
based there to say, Hey, whoever they don't take it
number two, that's the guy who goes to the Giants.
There are still no questions about whether or not potentially
they could end up going with a quarterback at that spot.
For now, Abduall Carter seems pretty pretty confident.
Speaker 8 (08:33):
What about your Philly roots?
Speaker 9 (08:35):
And if you did play in New York, what would
that be like?
Speaker 1 (08:39):
I'd be dope.
Speaker 8 (08:39):
But obviously you know, once I go to New York,
I'm all in New York.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
I'm have to leave Philly behind.
Speaker 8 (08:43):
So we'll see.
Speaker 9 (08:44):
What does Philly mean to you?
Speaker 8 (08:45):
It means Everything's where I come from, my roots, that's
where my family's from.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
So it means a lot. Yeah, all you heard it
right there from Abduall Carter, who certainly seems to believe
Judy that he's going at number three. But how does
this If it's war to one, if it's Hunter at two,
what are you feeling right now? Could be the direction
of three?
Speaker 10 (09:07):
Well, it's really been the same story with the Giants
now for weeks months. Really they've done a lot of
homework on the quarterbacks, but it comes down to do
they like one of the quarterbacks enough to take one
at number three That would presumably be Shdor Sanders if
they were going to do it, or do they go
best player available and in that case it would be
either Travis Hunter or obdil Carter, whoever the Browns do
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not take. The Giants have also Joshane told us the
Giants have also received calls from teams looking to move up.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
That was last week.
Speaker 10 (09:36):
He said that the decision is going to come down
to a question of do you go best player available
or do you go for a need? And Joe Shane
may have given a hint about the way he was
going to go when he talked to reporters last week
and he said, you know when you go for need,
that is when you can make mistakes. They feel like
they have upgraded their quarterback room this offseason when they
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signed Russell Wilson and j Miss Winston. They do not
feel like their feet or to the fire where they
have to take a quarterback. He said, the value has
to be there, So we will see how it plays
out tomorrow night. But certainly they are going to have options,
and possibly one of them could be even moving back.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
A lot of those veteran quarterbacks have found landing spots already.
One guy who is not still Atlanta Falcon, Kirk Cousins,
who actually showed up for work this week, is the
voluntary off season program got underway. He's doue twenty seven
point five million dollars fully guaranteed this season. Another ten
million dollars is fully guaranteed out in twenty twenty six.
My understanding, the Falcons have not exactly pushed the idea
(10:38):
so far of trading Kirk Cousins. Here's what Terry Fontineau
had to say today.
Speaker 11 (10:45):
Particularly with now in reference to Kirk. You know, with
any player, like we've always said, hey, look what we're
going to do what's best for this football team, whether
that's a trade or whatever it is, and so so
we're open to whatever it is if it's gonna help
it team. Those calls are really important too in terms
of the trades in which you want to really get
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a feel for going into the draft, knowing who's aggressive
and who actually wants to come up, who's looking to
move down. You want to get a feel for those Now,
they don't really materialize until the actual draft because it
depends on what's there. But that's how those calls go.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
And beyond materializing, you would also need Kirk Cousins to
sign off Mike because he does have a no trade
clause and certainly seems as if he is not going
to be afraid to wield it as necessary he does.
Speaker 12 (11:31):
And we touched on this a little bit last night,
Tom with the game between the Falcons and Kirk Cousins,
starting with the Falcons saying well, we don't have to
trade you. We're comfortable paying you that twenty seven and
a half million, which the guarantee went up to thirty
seven and a half over the next two years by
holding on to him through that deadline in March, and
Cousins now showing up for offseason workouts, which is definitely
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a message back to the team saying well, look, if
I get so far deep into this thing, I'm just
going to stay here as your backup quarterback, and then
you're gonna have to pay me all that money, which
ideally you don't want to do if you've got a
rookie or quarterback on a rookie deal that allows you
the ability to spend money elsewhere on the roster, but
if you're paying a chunk of that to your backup,
well that'll limit you a little bit in that regard.
(12:13):
And then there's the notion of whether you want Kirk
Cousins looking over Michael Pennock's shoulder. I know he didn't
play well last year, but he's an accomplished veteran. And
if Pennix all of a sudden starts to struggle, you know,
some folks will then be clamoring for Cousins. So this
is a way of him kind of pushing back and saying, look,
you know, I want out.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I've made that clear.
Speaker 12 (12:31):
It's got to be something that works for both sides,
is what you guys have said. So make this happen
during the draft. Otherwise you could have me around for
a while, which I know the Falcons have said all along,
we're comfortable doing that. So maybe that'll wind up being
the case, or maybe he gets moved in the next
couple of days.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
We shall see.
Speaker 12 (12:45):
We certainly looked at Cleveland before, I think we now
we're going to.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Look at Pittsburgh as well.
Speaker 12 (12:49):
They don't have an answer yet on Aaron Rodgers. Could
Kirk Cousins wind up being the veteran option for them?
Speaker 1 (12:53):
We shall see. It is a fascinating approach here. Everybody's thinking,
you stay away and show your displeasure, or you show
up and make everybody go Here. I am the guy
who's the leader of your football team. For most of
last year, it's an uncomfortable situation. Although for a year
since they took Michael Pennox last year, Mike, they've seemed
comfortable with the uncomfortable. Yeah, no doubt about that.
Speaker 12 (13:14):
Well, now we're looking at Shador Sanders this year as
potentially the guy that could get drafted into a team
where they already have a gu or maybe not, maybe
to a team like the Pittsburgh Steelers with a twenty
first overall pick. Should he slide that far, and if
he doesn't go to the Giants, it's very well within
the realm of possibilities that he could get to that point,
which is why our guy Bucky Brooks, who was sitting
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right next to me alongside Brian Baldinger, has him mocked
to the Steelers at.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Number twenty one.
Speaker 12 (13:40):
Do you feel like that would be a good fit
for Shador Sanders, if he winds up there with Mike
Tomlin and the Steels, will probably.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Be the best fit that he could find.
Speaker 13 (13:46):
And when you're a young quarterback, the thing that you
want a stability. You want a hair coach that's gonna
believe in you just gonna put the structure there that
is necessary to be able to be successful. But more importantly,
you want the weapons on the outside, DK Metcalf, George
Pickens to be able to play the way that you
want to play. When you go back and look at
this tape of Colorado, he's one of the best deep
ball passes that we find.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Touch time actually is all there.
Speaker 13 (14:06):
And when I think about the still his brand and
how Mike Tounlan is kind of able to weather the
bullets when people attack certain players, I think it's the
perfect environment for him to land because the coach is
going to do everything to make sure it's a good environment.
Speaker 14 (14:18):
But you know, Mike, you're the insider. We don't know
what Aaron Rodgers' status is at this point. If I
knew that, if we knew that, it'd be a little
easier to mock shduor Sanders to Pittsburgh. If we had
doubts about Aaron Rodgers showing up. But if we kind
of knew that and Mason Rudolph was there, I don't
think he was any pressure for Pittsburgh to have to
draft basically the successor to Ben Roethlisberger, because that's what
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they've been trying to do for the last five years,
and so that still needs to get done. But to
Bucky's point, if you like shaduor Sanders, just to the
point where all the assets that Bucky just explained put
him there on a rookie contract, whether Aaron Rodgers is
there or not, you get to at least a year
to learn, and you still have a rookie contract where
you can build your team around that quarterback going forward.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
I'll tell you one thing.
Speaker 12 (15:05):
If should or Sanders gets to that point and goes
to the Steelers and he's with Aaron Rodgers, Roger's gonna
be able to tell him about that chip on the
shoulder from lasting that long in the draft, because if
it's gonna be eighteen long picks if he doesn't go
to the Giants and then he gets to the Steelers,
which of course brings in the possibility of some of
these teams including the Giants then trading into.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
The first round to grab him on the back.
Speaker 14 (15:25):
If the smile will return if the Steelers take him
at twenty one, Yeah, like it might go away for
a little while. Yeah, as that camera is peeking in
on him. You know, I don't think he swetched though,
Like that that smiles.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
There, Yeah, you know it always smiles. Tom Pallisero never
not smiling. Blby twenty years ago today, Aaron Rodgers had
a long wait. I would fairly say, if you're gonna
get stuck in the green room, they've upgraded substantially. It's
no longer just a bunch of circular chairs with your
circular tables with like the folding chairs around them.
Speaker 15 (15:55):
Here.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
This is this is pretty posh over there in the
Rush Events Center, part of a really cool draft experience here.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I mean that that's a lounge need bottle service out
of that thing.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Some players will its going.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
To be it advisable?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeah, I agree that I would agree.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
All right, let's get into an article Tom that you
post on NFL dot com over the course of the
last twenty four hours, a twelve thousand word article, as
you do every year, digging deep on the quarterbacks who
are likely to get drafted. What was the most important
or interesting thing you learned.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I think it was pretty clear in talking with a
number of people around the league, from coaches to scouts
to executive is that beyond cam Ward, there is really
not a second quarterback that is a consensus, surefire starting
type of a player. That includes Shador Sanders, who we've
talked about a ton on the show. It includes Jackson
Dart who also was a potential first round pick, Jaylen Milroe,
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even Tyler Schuck potentially in that first round mix. But
there's These are all projections, and these are all things
that teams see holes as well as they see positives.
But it comes specifically to Shador. And there was one
particular quote that got pulled out of that story that
people didn't read. The other eleven nine hundred plus words
of it out Shador Sanders and one particular coach saying
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it was the worst formal interview he's ever been in,
and that Sanders is entitled among other things here. What
I would tell you is this that was not the
only person who had that opinion and expressed that they
were not exactly impressed by what they heard and their
interaction with Shadoor Sanders. But it goes far more broad
than this. He's been a very accurate quarterback. He's been
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really really tough. He came to a program that would
won one game before he got there at Colorado, and
you saw the progress with him and his father, Dion,
and the steps forward that they were able to take
over the past couple of years. But this is a
one of one type of an evaluation when it comes
to Chador Sanders. There's nobody else in this draft who
is the son of maybe the greatest multi sport athlete
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we've ever seen in the NFL and in Major League
Baseball certainly, there's nobody else who then has been coached
by that superstar father going all the way up through
high school and then into four years of college here.
And one of the major questions the teams have here
is when you put him in a different type of
an accountability structure where it's not having his father there,
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it's not everything being structured around the way that Schaduur
wants it, or who he wants the coaches to be
or the plays that he wants to be called. How
is he going to react and is there going to
be some level of a culture shock that comes with it.
I had one GM who is spent time with Shadueur
Sanders in this process, saying, hey, you just got to
like them. There's not going to get probably one hundred
percent consensus in any building, but it's still possible that
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the Giants take him. That really still seems to be
one of the possibilities for Shaduur Sanders going into draft day.
The Giants at three the Steelers at twenty one would
be another. If it's not one of those two teams,
it may come down to somebody trading up into the
first round, or also be schadu Sanders still waiting for
his name to be called on Friday Night. We've also
got some sad news to share tonight out of Chicago.
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Steve McMichael, one of the legendary Bears a Hall of
Fame defensive I'man, passed away today at age sixty seven
after a long battle with als. Jared Payton, the son
of Walter Payton, is the family spokesperson, gave the news
on social media, saying with deep sorrow, I shared that
Steve McMichael passed at five twenty eight pm after a
brave fight with als, surrounded by loved ones. I'm grateful
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to have been with him in his final moments. Please
keep Steve and his family in your prayers, Say with
Michael played in a franchise record one hundred and ninety
one consecutive games from nineteen eighty one to nineteen ninety
three and ranks second to Richard Dent on the Bears
all time sacks list with ninety two and a half.
Michael played on the Bears nineteen eighty five Super Bowl
championship team, was an All Pro in nineteen eighty five
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and nineteen eighty seven. He was inducted into the Pro
Football Hall of Fame in twenty twenty four. Steve Bongo
McMichael passing away today at age sixty seven, and here's
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the hand off.
Speaker 13 (20:04):
Jacobs bounce it to the right, touch down, Love dumps
it off over him.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
He's got Tacus how to get back to the end.
Speaker 16 (20:11):
So right, I got an idea.
Speaker 9 (20:14):
How about if it's the Jacobs.
Speaker 14 (20:17):
Hand off goes to Jacobs running world left side, thirty
breaks a tackle, twenty five twenty times five touchdown crane
knife packers.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
When the NFL Draft is in Green Bay, who better
to welcome us than none other than that guy, Josh Jacobs.
What's going on, man, good.
Speaker 9 (20:36):
To see it.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
It's good man, Thanks for having Yeah, absolutely so. I
mean it's crazy out there right now in the parking lot.
I don't know if you saw the draft stage. And
what does it feel like to have the draft in
your backyard here?
Speaker 8 (20:45):
I mean, I know it's real big for this community.
I mean, first time I ever having it here. I
think it's gonna be special. I think it's gonna I
think it's gonna be a.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Real good one.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
How much do you get into the draft, gyman? Are
you are you looking at maybe players pickers could take?
Are you looking at running back to being like, all right,
I like what this guy does?
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Not a big fan?
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Like?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
How much do you get into it? Oh?
Speaker 8 (21:06):
I would say a little bit of both. I would
say definitely, you know, just talking to the team, you
know about things that we think that we can, you know,
feel in certain spots and things like that. And then
obviously the guys that I like, the guys that I
have relationships with and things like that. I tend to
watch a lot more so six.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Years ago this week, you have your draft experience, you
go in the first round of the rads.
Speaker 15 (21:26):
Just take me through what you remember most from that day.
I remember that day being a lot of work. I
remember he was that young guy right there. That's a
good shoot. Yeah, I remember that day being a lot
of work.
Speaker 9 (21:39):
It was.
Speaker 8 (21:40):
It was a lot more that went into it that
I than I expected. But it was a memorable moment,
you know, for me and my family. So it was fun.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Uh, there's a that's a strong possibility that we see
running back taken in the top ten or maybe in
the top five.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
We'll see Ashton genty h. We've seen highlight it's all
over the place. He has done a ton.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
What do you think of his game?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Does he does he remind you of anyone? Kind of
take me through what it's like watching him.
Speaker 8 (22:08):
Man, He's he's phenomenal. Man, He's he's going to be
a guy in this league. I think he's going to
have success early no matter what team he goes to. Honestly,
I think for him, the biggest thing is just going
to be, you know, learning a new system of getting
adjusted to the NFL and you know, finding out what
works for him and what doesn't work on this level.
But I think that he's gonna have a lot of success.
(22:30):
I try to tell the rookies all the time that
the second year is a lot harder than the first.
And I feel that way because you know, defense is
tending a scheme for you a little bit more, guys
know you a little bit more. It's more film on you,
you know, and things like that. So when you come in,
you should hit the ground running. Especially for a guy
that's elite like him, I think he's going to do fine.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
You said, you know some guys in this straft right
personal relationship?
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Who do you know?
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Who do you like in this draft?
Speaker 8 (22:55):
I like a lot of the running backs, man, I'm not.
I think this is one of the biggest, you know,
deepest running back drafts you know, in recent years. And
I just try to, you know, peep peep the game,
you know, the competition a little bit, but also just
seeing what the guys are doing and uh, seeing what's
gonna translate.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
I think that, you know, with the way that the
NFL is now.
Speaker 8 (23:16):
Especially for the running back position, how how it's coming
full circles, is becoming more of a you know, uh
a thing. Again, I think that the way that you
have to play as a running back is starting to change.
You have to be able to do everything, especially if
you want to be a guy that you know that
gets the bigger contracts and things like that, and you
got to be able to do it at a you know,
at a decent level for you know, and be consistent
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at doing it. So I think that a lot of
these young guys that's coming in, they have a lot
of potential. Hopefully they get in the right systems and
be able to be around some vestas you know, teach
them how to play the game and how to be
a pro and things like that, and they're gonna be fine.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
When you were talking to the Raiders about a new
contract that eventually obviously come to the Packers, you were
one of the guys we're fighting for real running back
money kind of help build up this running back market.
Now you look at him and obviously Sake One got
a new deal recently, you had a really nice deal.
It's this running back market has sort of been rebuilt.
You mentioned coming full circle with all of these good
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backs in this draft now in the position maybe feels
like getting as much respect as we've seen in a
long time, Like, how does that kind of make you
feel thinking about all that.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
I mean, I'm happy for him obviously. I mean, I'm
still in this, so I'm happy for myself too, But
I'm happy for the guys, you know, like Bjon and
all of these guys. Their contracts are coming up, so
I think that whatever they get is kind of going
to be like set the tone for you know, what
it's looking like over the next few years. But it's
headed in the right direction for sure.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
So you work with USAA this week the official Salute
the Service Partner of the NFL at an event coming up.
Tell me about it.
Speaker 8 (24:49):
Yeah, so we're doing the event, you know with USAA
Salute the Service Team do with the NFL. Clay Matthews
is actually going to be there too, so it's gonna
be my first time being able to pick his brain
in a little bit. But I mean, it's a lot
for me, and it means so much to me to
be able to give back to the veterans because those
are guys that I feel like, men and women that sacrifice,
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you know, on a daily basis for the basic rights
and needs that we take, you know, advantage of every day.
Not only that my grandfather and my uncle was was,
you know, veterans. So for me, it just hits a
little differently. I've seen like the ups and downs that
what comes with you know, being the you know communicat,
(25:32):
I mean committed to you know, doing that type of
service and the things that they sacrifice on a day
to day basis.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
I think it's huge.
Speaker 8 (25:40):
So for me, any little thing that I could do
to give back, you know, and some of the people
from Wisconsin's veterans are actually going to be there, So
anything I could do to give back, you know, whether
it's talk to kids from a fallen soldier or whatever. Man,
it's it's all. I'm all for it.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I think it's a big deal. Last thing before we
let you go Packers on the number twenty three pick,
you made a comment or were in the off seasoned
number one receiver when you're when you're listening or watching
wherever you're gonna be on Thursday, who do you hope?
Who do you hope goes number twenty three? Man? I
really don't know.
Speaker 8 (26:11):
I feel like, you know, the draft, it's it's hard, really,
you know, it's their jobs are really hard because you
know a lot of the guys that I feel like
that you'd be looking at kind of be off the
board or may or may not be there, like so
do you take the best guy available or not? I
don't know. I know that we've been, you know, as
a team for us, been putting together some some players
in this off you know, off season, like Nate Hobbs
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and you know, McCole, Harmon and things like that.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I think we're gonna be all right.
Speaker 8 (26:35):
I think these these group that we have, give them
another year of you know, being able to play in
the NFL, another.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Year of experience and things. We're gonna be fine.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
If bump into Goody, just just ask for us, find out,
let us know it's gonna be Josh Jacobs takes a ton, man.
I appreciate you here man.
Speaker 13 (26:50):
Thanks V.
Speaker 12 (26:53):
Now today into the NFL Network, we continue to monitor
the Derek Carr situation down there in New Orleans with
his shoulder injuries. Saints general manager Mickey Loomis hadn't yet
spoken on the issue, did speak about it today, well,
at least very briefly.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
He does have an issue with his shoulder.
Speaker 16 (27:12):
We're hoping he gets some resolution and clarity on that
in the near future, and when we do, I'll report
back to you otherwise, I don't have anything more to
state about Derek, but I'm open to any pre draft
questions that you might have.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
That's time for ask the aces.
Speaker 12 (27:32):
Ace Slater joining us presented by Ace Ac Slater, A
Slater Jane Slater is along with us. Jane, you're down
there in New Orleans for the draft. Before we get
your take on what the Saints are going to do
at number nine, let me add a little bit more context,
since Mickey Lewis didn't seem like he was interested in
doing that. It is a throwing shoulder injury to Derek Carr.
He is not at the team's offseason workouts right now.
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That's because he is going through the process with his
own medical folks right now. But there's been constant communication
with the New Orleans Saints, the sides trying to figure
out what is the best path to move forward now
with Derek Carr, which still could include surgery. So we'll
continue to monitor that and see where we get any
updates with regard to that. So that being said, the
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Saints again sitting there at number nine, what do we
think happens there and beyond in the draft for them?
Speaker 17 (28:21):
Before people lose anything from that report. Mike, it may
not seem like a lot, but I do think it's
very interesting that he's got his people getting eyeballs on
that throwing shoulder. And while he might be keeping the
Saints in communication, a lot of teams like to keep
their eyeballs on these things themselves, don't they. So I
think that's very very interesting as we look at this
pick nine, just because we've heard this news, as you're saying,
(28:43):
they're this possibility that it could jeopardize next season, Well,
shouldn't that automatically mean that the Saints are then going
to draft a quarterback?
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Not necessarily.
Speaker 17 (28:52):
If you listen to Mickey Loomis today, he talked about
one of the bigger changes happening in the building right
now is the fact that you've got Brandon Staley coming
in here with a three four defense.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Why is that a big deal?
Speaker 17 (29:03):
Well, the Saints have been a four to three for
several years. When you're typically looking at a three four defense,
you're going to need more athletic guys, you know, thinner
and build guys that can come off the edge. Now,
I do know the Saints have done a lot of
scouting at Georgia, and they've got two really intriguing guys
that you should keep an eye on at nine, Mikel
Williams and of course Jalen Walker, who's got some Micah
(29:24):
Parsons tendencies to him there. Now, I'm not saying they
completely avoid the quarterback situation. I'm sure they're going to
address that later.
Speaker 18 (29:31):
And a guy like Kellen Moore.
Speaker 17 (29:32):
Certainly was used to helping develop a guy they found
in a fourth round, Dak Prescott there in Dallas.
Speaker 12 (29:38):
There will be options at the top of the second
round and beyond for the Saints. We'll see if they
wait until then to address the issue. Thank you, Ace Slater.
It's been asked the aces presented by Ace Hardware, Judy.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
All right.
Speaker 10 (29:52):
From pick number nine to pick number ten, that is
the Chicago Bears here. It's where some of our guys
have them going, edge, running back, offensive tackle, offensive tackle.
They did a lot of work in free agency to
support Caleb Williams, who of course was the number one
pick at this time last year. You know, he's got
all The answers on this are Stacey Dale's. She's in Chicago.
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She will be with the Bears tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Stacy.
Speaker 10 (30:16):
As we said, Caleb Williams was number one last year
to the Bears. They did a lot of work in
free agency to put stuff around him.
Speaker 18 (30:22):
What are they going to do in the draft, Well,
they start at ten, Judy. They have seven picks in
this draft, but they have four golden picks through seventy two,
which allows Ryan Poles and his team to do some
things movement wise and movement speaking of it, he spoke
this week about he expects a lot of movement in
this draft. There's a lot of really good players, a
large pool of players, and when you're looking and staring
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down number ten, the Bears see a lot of really
good players right there to pick at ten, they certainly
could move down. But because of the fact that Ian Cunningham,
the assistant GM touched on it, there's a lot of
power players in these pools going to have similar value.
I think they stay there at ten. And you could
also ask are they going to move up? Well, they
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only have seven picks and they need some more picks.
They had five total last year in the draft, and
they certainly added to their roster. But I wouldn't be
surprised if they add a little bit more they have
thirty nine, forty one, and seventy two. Maybe they move
down with those guys, but they're going to get not
just a player by position at number ten, They're going
to get a value pick at number ten. Best available
(31:28):
is the philosophy, and I certainly anticipate them to use
it and get the best available because there's going to
be a bunch. We'll see where Shador Sanders goes, though,
as you know, Judy the domino could change there. With
the quarterbacks, they're going to get a really good player,
doesn't mean it has to be in the trenches. Could
be another skill player like eh Hashton Genti or Tyler Warren.
The tight end, we'll see.
Speaker 10 (31:49):
Big opportunity to put more pieces around Caleb William Stacey
Dale's thank.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
You very much.
Speaker 10 (31:55):
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Speaker 5 (32:14):
Obviously, the expectations that he's had, you know, throughout his
college career and then taking Colorado to new heights like that.
You know that's not easy.
Speaker 19 (32:22):
The knock is a little bit of the arm strength,
and then you know, holding the ball took a lot
of sacks with.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
My experience of playing, like if I can show my
guys you know that I can get hit and then
keep going, that just shows a lot about you know,
your leadership and just being able to learn to get
the ball out, play within the timing of the offense
and concepts. I think those are things that he has
and will continue to learn.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
And develop, no doubt.
Speaker 10 (32:48):
Well, you just heard Josh Jacobs say at the running
back is back. How high will Ashton gent go tomorrow night?
Spoiler alert, It could be pretty high. We'll discuss it
when we return on the Insiders.
Speaker 15 (33:12):
Here here we go.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
It's not do or die, but it's close.
Speaker 19 (33:16):
I was fourth down and goal to go against Texas.
You know, I knew we had to have a big stop.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Pressure comes, knock it out, picks it up.
Speaker 19 (33:25):
I remember the ball bouncing right up to me and
I just saw you know, nothing but green grass and
I hit about the fifty. I'm like, man, I better
have some blockers so I might get hot down. One
of my best memories ever as a Buckeye is, you know,
looking back at about the thirty for the last time,
and all I see is, you know, a bunch of
my brothers just running down the field with me with
their hands in the air. And that's why I knew
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I was going to get in.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
That dagger for eighty two yards.
Speaker 19 (33:49):
You know, I couldn't draw it up any better. So
I was thankful to really help our team win a
national championship by punching our ticket. Jack Sawyer Defensive end
number thirty three the Ohio State University.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
It's Ohio State.
Speaker 14 (34:06):
Together at the mountaintop, champions of college football.
Speaker 19 (34:09):
Being a local kid growing up in Columbus, you know,
dreaming about putting on the scarletand gray, and you know,
being able to be there for four years and deciding
to come back for my senior year with the rest
of my guys, and to eventually come out on top
as national champions. It was such a surreal and once
in a lifetime experience.
Speaker 17 (34:24):
That's something I'll never forget.
Speaker 19 (34:28):
I remember my first day in pads. You know, we're
lining up, We're doing a tackling drill. I'm going against kid.
It's like a couple of years older than me and
a little bigger than me. At the time, I remember
getting ran flat over on my back put on my ass.
About ten minutes later, I got my wits back to me.
I'll put with the pads back ons. I want that
guy again. And you know I was able to take
him down.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
He is flattened by Jack Sawyer.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Guys, there's Jack Sawyer.
Speaker 19 (34:51):
If I fly around, I'm physical, I play fast, I
hit people in the mouth, and I make big plays
my team. I think the skills I have that I
separated myself from the other It was my toughness and
the way I played with so much grit and passion
and the ability to stop the run and play the
pass at the same time. Both my parents love football.
My dad played football. I thank God for this opportunity
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and the gives he's blessing with since the first time
I ever picked a football up is dreaming about being
able to play in the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
It's a dream come true and I thank God for
every second of it.
Speaker 12 (35:28):
Jack Sawyer, we're listening for his name on day two.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Maybe someone will trade up to select him.
Speaker 12 (35:32):
Speaking of trades, here were all your Day one trades
last year, including the Buffalo bill saying we're going to
pass on a couple of Xaviers at the wide receiver position.
Let him go to the Chiefs and the Panthers, Bucky Brooks,
Brian Baldinger here with me, Mike Garraffalo. As we look
at this year's draft, you wouldn't be surprised if Dot
filling the bank.
Speaker 13 (35:53):
Buddy Oh, say three wide receivers go in the first round,
and I'm saying three, and debt does not include Travis
Sunnier because we can call him as a two way
when we think about Treff's under he goes. But how
about Taed McMillan, Matthew Golden and Amika a Buka going
off in the first round. When we get to the
bottom of the first round, there's some teams that need
some guys to step in and be quality playmakers' quality additions.
And though I would say that I don't see any
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of these as a true number one, they're teams that
need those complimentary playmakers on the outside. To me, this
is a solid class, not an elite class, but a
solid class and key contribute.
Speaker 14 (36:25):
I would not be surprised if Ashton Gent goes as
high to five to Jacksonville, Oh, man, I wouldn't be surprised.
They've been trying to run the ball foreven and you
know we've seen Travis CTN. Maybe he's hit the wall,
but he's gone backwards. They need help for Trevor Lawrence. Sometimes, Bucky,
you can build a wall in front of you and
just plug it back in and that works. But sometimes
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you just see a special back that can make everybody
look good. I blocked for Dorset and Eric Tickerson.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
They made me look good, all right.
Speaker 14 (36:53):
So sometimes you need the back to make the guys
up front look good. Sometimes your quarterback, it's good if
you just three hundred times Toordia sees just hands.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Off to a guy like Cash.
Speaker 14 (37:02):
To Judge, I can see Jacksonville with the whole new
regime here, from Boselli to Gladstone de Liam Cohen saying,
let's start with the running back.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Bucky. There's no doubt Bald and Bucky.
Speaker 12 (37:12):
There's no doubt what Sa Kwon Barkley did this year
and Derek k It's made the running back position back.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
In vogue with the draft, right, Yeah, we're back into talent.
The talent is there this year too.
Speaker 14 (37:22):
That also helps.
Speaker 12 (37:22):
Gotta have the talent as well, You guys always have
the talent.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Looking forward to hearing more from you. With the twenty
twenty five NFL Draft rapidly approaching, NFL prospects all over
the country are gearing up for the moment of a
lifetime For Oregon quarterback Dylan Gabriel and Missouri wide receiver
Luther Burden the third the final stretch brings reflection, resolve,
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Speaker 2 (37:58):
Yeah, well, life, four weeks away from the draft. I
don't think it hit me yet, you know, Dom about
to get drafted.
Speaker 12 (38:06):
The twenty first pick in the NFL Draft.
Speaker 9 (38:10):
Today we finished our last part of the pro day,
the last event in the pre draft process.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Telling what's up, my brother, how you doing? It feels
great to be back in Mizoo, you know, see my
old teammates.
Speaker 9 (38:23):
Kind of a lot to take in on that this
is your last time throwing truly in the in the
Ducks uniform, and I mean.
Speaker 18 (38:31):
This is where the standards are set. This is where
we find out your next path in our life.
Speaker 9 (38:37):
All that work that you put in for this dream
that you want to accomplish, and man, this is it.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Johnny's comes to in the end, New Ones beginning, time
out to play a little more. NFL Draft fact or
Fiction with me, Tom Pila Sero, and Ian Rappaport high
above lambeau Field. The NFL Draft kicks off in just
a little bit more than twenty four hours. Okay. In
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fact or fiction, there will be zero trades in the
top ten.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
That's sort of the common line of thinking, because you know,
you don't see teams clamoring to trade up. I'm gonna
go with fiction. I'm gonna go with fiction. Here's why
this is going to be a weird.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
And wild draft for a variety of reasons.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
And there was going to be some player, probably one
player that's gonna slip through to maybe eight or not.
Maybe it's a tackle. Maybe it's like the last really
good offensive tackle. Maybe it's a defensive tackle, and someone's like,
I gotta go up and get him, maybe just a
couple quick spots, but I do believe.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
We see a trade in the top ten.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
How about this one fact or fiction, the first cornerback,
not quarterback, cornerback does not come off the board in
the top twenty.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
I'm going with fact on that one.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
And you know, i know, early on in the mock
draft process, seemed that was going to be like maybe
a top ten corner, maybe a top fifteen corner.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
I'm not sure we see that now. It's not a
great corner class.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
And even the ones who are really good, like everybody
loves John Ay Baron, Maxwell Harriston, they really like different guys.
Baron could be a nickel, Harriston's kind of a more
slight guy. I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see
one until maybe twenty and one of those guys probably
the first corner off the board, which you'd ask me
a month or so ago, I would have said, that's insane.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
That's what it's like.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
With some injuries and other issues affecting that process with
the corners. One name that somebody in the league told
me today it would not be surprised as the first
corner off the board Chavon Ravel from East Carolina coming
off of torn acl the player has been making good progress.
Might have been the top one if you weren't hurt.
Could he still be talk about that more right now
that you got news on a different dB.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
The Detroit Lions have agreed to terms with They're all
pro safety Kirby Joseph. He gets a four year, eighty
six million dollars deal twenty one point five million dollars
per year in a contract done by agent Lewis, being
now the highest paid safety and NFL history eurer. Last year,
the Lions had a couple big time extensions on their
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stars right before the draft when he was in Detroit.
This year, it is Kirby Joseph getting the bag. Who
would expect Aiden Hutchinson potentially to be next for the line.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Also a friend of the show. Congrats to Herby Joseph.
Back in twenty sixteen, Mitchell Van Vorn was the young
man chosen to announce the Dolphins that selected a tight
end in the seventh round of the draft. Fast forward
nine years, Mitchell Van Vorn is now a tight end
who potentially could be a late round pick in this draft.
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He's from right up the road in Pestigo, was an
All Big East hurdler at Marquette was a grand transfer,
played at Division three satan Auber College, which is right
over there into Peer. The Packers worked him out, the
Browns worked him out. For what I've told, he's got
a couple of other teams interested too. This would be
one of the great full circle moments. Not to mention
Ian that he would be getting drafted right here in
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his backyard.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Well, I kind of wonder to take this a little further,
like what happens. Does he does he go there and
like announce it or go like does he walk up
and say his own name?
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Would they let him do that?
Speaker 1 (42:09):
And then that would be That would be very solid, Mike,
What would you like to see happening?
Speaker 12 (42:13):
This would be like Ian who threw out the first
pitch in the Mets game recently starting Game one of
the World Series. And that's total fantasy because the Mets.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Are never going back to the World Series.
Speaker 10 (42:25):
Four game sweep, Buddy, four game sweep the Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Pctum, you did, Let's go Mets.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Hey, we got Daniel Jeremiah unveiling his mock draft right now.
That is next level. Over twenty four hours draft inside
it back on Monday, DJ's next, see you
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