In this episode, Cam is joined by Pro Bowl pass rusher Josh Allen at the Sack Summit Weekend Cam co-hosted with Maxx Crosby and Von Miller in Las Vegas. Josh sits down to reflect on his breakout 17.5 sack season, and break bread with Cam on how to take his game to the next level. Cam and Josh discuss the goals of the Sack Summit and the importance of sharing their knowledge with the young bucks coming up. Josh also shares how changing his entire routine, from reading books from Kobe Bryant’s mentor, to listening to jazz, to sitting in a dark room, were keys to his breakout season. He also talks about why he and Trevor Lawrence are on the same page about what it’ll take to bring a Super Bowl to Jacksonville. All this and more. So, tap in!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Here we are on off the Edge with me, your
host Cam Jordan, and I'm just overly blessed, overly happy
to be here in Las Vegas at the annual Sack Summit,
which has become a thing now you know me, Von Miller,
Max Crosby, first collaboration. We're gonna take off from here.
But I'm sitting here with my guy, Josh Allen. When
(00:23):
I say paid is an understatement. We're not gonna put
numbers out there, but he just got paid this offseason.
We are so excited for him to join the show.
When I say pro bowler, we're talking about Josh Allen.
When I say, you know a guy who had seventeen
and a half sacks this past season, a threshold that
is hard to get to. You know, there's been a
lot of seasons you can put together, have ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen.
(00:48):
Once you get beyond that fifteen, you get in a real,
real rare air and you hit seventeen a half marks
and seventeen half sacks for the mark this is past season.
I'm just gonna say congratulations on your congratulations on getting paid,
Congratulations on everything you've done at this point, and I
know there's so much more, but I appreciate you tapping
in on the.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Show Man to be here with your big bro. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Indeed, indeed you've been to Saxon before, right, I have
ten years ago, I'll say I was one of them years.
I was like, all these all these sex I'm start
to blend together. I was like, you've definitely been here,
and was it three years ago? And now you're coming
back you know where where it's bigger and better than ever.
What are you looking forward to?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Uh? Communication? Uh, blending with the guys, learning, growing and
also spreading my knowledge and wealth things that I you know,
learned throughout these years that I could pass on the
other guys, spreading wealth.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Can I get a dollar wealth, the well wealth of
of knowledge? Got excited?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I can help you make some money, you know, Okay,
no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yeah, amazing. Uh speaking of you, you know, just the the
success that you've had, have you have? You had a
big spurs yet I know you got a fami. I
know you got kids beyond moms, and I know you
took care of the fam. I know you got a wife.
He probably got a nice purse out of it.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
What did you get you I got a new car. Oh,
we'll say double r Oh. I had to get it.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Oh big big, big big dog. Okay, I'm saving that.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
What a driver?
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Oh does it come with the driver? But does a
double art come with the driver? You gotta sell it separately.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
It's easy. You gotta get it separately. But it's easy
to get one, especially in jackson A lot of people.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, Jacksonville really small baby. Oh your boy.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I'm not gonna lie to you.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
When I first got to Jacksonville, my my big homie
Tyson Lululu was drafted. Was that twenty ten first time
I ever got through Jacksonville, was like, there's nothing here.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Nope, that's why it's easy to make people people connections.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Fourteen years later, it actually looks like it's like a
solid city now.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah, it's growing. It's definitely grown. With the new stadium
being built to I think that's gonna bring a lot
more revenue, a lot more a lot more money in
the city. Uh, and then bringing the four seasons into
our owner bringing the four seasons in and y'all got
a four seasons in Jacksonville, were making one. Yeah, so
we're doing something. Man, and you know, hopefully that just
keeps growing and growing for us.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Right right, You got my you got my former d
line coach Ryan Nilsen as your decordinator. Now you've had
you know, a little off season with them. How do
you like him so far?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I mean, so far, so good? You know for me,
you know, he called the first time. The first thing
he talked about when I talked on the phone with
him was you going forward. That's all I need to hear. Now,
put the ball in my court. Let me beat me
and we can do that. And I think the conversations
that we had he kind of lets you, you know,
take a chow because I think in his defense, you know,
the ends need to be need to be elite, you know,
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needs to be those guys. And where I'm at and
where my trajectory is going in my career, I can
only see myself going up. So if you allow me
to go right, trust me that I'm gonna go. And
but now this year, man, I did that last year
by myself. Now it's trying to spread that well to
the others. You know. Uh, got Trey who's coming up.
(04:11):
Got Eric that's new, and we got a lot of
younger guys that I can kind of like, let's let's
do this movie like this. You know, you got a
monster in the middle, and I'm already knowing. Man, I'm happy.
I'm happy kid in the store the show.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Uh, I mean, you know, it seems like you guys
got a strong collective. You know, a couple of years
ago they paid the wide receiver Kirk. You know, they
they kept They're starting to keep their own you. You know,
Trevor Lawrence, how does how does it make you feel
that organization, you know, wants to love the players, wants
to you know, pay their loyalty towards players like you
(04:47):
and Trevor.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I mean, it means a lot. Uh. It means we're
going in the right direction. You know, things that haven't
been done in a very long time. You know. For
me to be the first you know, one hundred million
dollar player in organization, like in the whole organization, Uh,
it's kind of crazy, but it's a it's a humble experience,
and you know, I'm thankful for that. But we're in
the right directions. We're keeping our top players, our best players,
(05:10):
and our core players as well, so we can continue
to keep building on that, keep bringing the younger guys up.
That's why we put these guys in these roles to
I mean, you played for the Saints, you had none
but young guys and build them up and now you
see them go here, go there. But they helped that
organization build as well. That's all I want to do.
Put my name on the map and never be forgotten
in Jacksonville history, right right, But I mean, just.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Keep your core guys in there. Keeps your locker room
integrity good too, like the vibes, the ability for you know,
in the season, you're going to have adversity, you're going
to have those wins by twenty points, some losses by
threes that hurt way more than a blowout loss. But
that core locker room keeps it going. Like, tell me
about that. Tell me about your locker room. How does
it feel? Because you know every locker room is different,
so I'm always intrigued to know, like what is your
(05:54):
locker room feel like? Is there is you know, I
don't see any dancing or or like you know, now,
we got.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
A cool locked room. We got a lot of young guys.
This is one of two things that we I think
we need to implement this year moving forward to build
that team chemistry. I think right now, we too were
too blocked off, you know where we got one one
one group of like D line in one area, old
line another area. I think we need to mix that up.
Uh and just just know you know your teammates and
(06:24):
I think that kind of bang. I think that would
bring a lot more chemistry with each other offense and defensively.
But other than that, we got a young locker room.
We'd like to have fun.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Who gets control of the ox?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
You know, I keep boom box, you know, so I
usually but I like the old schools and so if
I'm on it, you know, I'm usually playing cards with
the guys and I'm playing you know, my jams and stuff.
It's old school for you, sir.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
You were born in.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
The oh So I like you know, I like a
little Luther, you know, I like a little I like
a little music soul child. You know, I like the
viz bro. I like to keep it cause we all
we go out on the field. We listened in that rap.
We go in the weight room, were listening in the rap.
You know, all this stops rolling around kind of need
(07:09):
it in the locker room. Just keep a nice chill vibe.
Everybody talking vibbing out. Like I said, we're playing cards.
We got a basketball hoop. You know, we got a
nice little you know.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Game room.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Guys go chilling. We do jack. You mean, like like
I said, we got it's like a little lounge, a
little LOUNGEO. We got pers fours, golf simulator, pink pong table. Yeah,
come on, man, we're doing it.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Man, Okay, I love it. I love it. I mean, uh,
we know obviously you're you're you're a leader on the team.
You lead by example. What's it like to have you know,
Trevor Lawren's former number one overall pick from Clemson. Uh,
what is he like as a quarterback? I mean when
(07:55):
I when I came to the league, I had Drew
Brees and like so the epitome of a leader. I
know exactly what that looked like. You know, for you
you come in and then you get you get Trevor Lawrence,
and he clearly is a clear cut got to be
a leader. The way he plays, the way he you know,
implements his style to the game. What is he like
as a leader.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
One thing that I can say about Trevor man is
the consistency that he has with the routine. You know,
I think the more older I get is you know,
you have to have a routine, but you can't be
a robot to that routine. But you have to have
a routine. And I remember, you know, his second year
and he just wasn't playing as good every morning because
(08:35):
we're like early birds. So I come in there, he
right there. So it's like seeing that every single day
from now, from then to now, it's consistent. You know,
He's always had the same demeanor of like, we gonna
get it. You know what I'm saying, We're gonna command this,
We're gonna take control, you know, but we just have
to keep seasoning the moments. And but so for me,
just to see him stay disciplined, to see him stay
(08:57):
locked in Lilliam State, trusted in his craft, and for him,
you know, I like to see that. And uh, he's
been doing that ever since. And I know it's gonna
pay off. You know. I think he's gonna have a
you know, breakout year this year, and I think he's
gonna lead us the right way and lead us to
you know a lot of victories.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Okay, Okay, I mean, yeah, that the AFCU out there
scrapping ya ya y'all y'a heavy sacks with backs, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
It's it's uh, it's the D line, you know how
I'll say the d lin Ley.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
You know, the Battle of Trench is really gonna play
a part. And I think I think the investments y'all
made the last time y'all had success into into the
playoffs was you know, back when it was Saxonville. Yes, sir,
So like what y'all what y'all creative? With the addition
of Eric Armstead, y'all have potential to get back get
back to it, you know. Like it's like I said
in the intro, you had seventeen seventeen and a half
(09:48):
sacks this past season. Uh, how do you talk this
last season in terms of production?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
I think, you know, I think last year, man, last
year was a difficulty. It wasn't. It was difficult for me,
you know because I feel like I couldn't rely on
anybody else mentally. So it's like two people, three people communication,
no communication. I'm gonna get it. I'm gonna meet the
band in front of me. I studied this dude since,
uh since since July, since June. You know, I know
(10:15):
my matchup and I'm gonna work this dude in front
of me. And I think, you know, that gave me
a lot of success individually, but I think it kind
of I could where I could have spreaded that wealth
all over the line and build this person and build
that person up. I think it was just like I
did it by myself. Now let me see if I
can do this, but added add the value to everybody else,
(10:37):
you know, and bring them to my level. Don't I
won't go to nobody else's level. I don't want to
bring everybody up to my level. And obviously adding Eric,
a guy that's been played at the high level for
so long, played with guys that played at the high level,
play with Nick defensive play of the Year, so he
knows what that work ethic is and he knows what
that competitive is. So it's like, if I can bring
that to my other guys and take more control right
(10:58):
there the CEFI, we go as a whole D line now.
And that's why I say, like AFC South young quarterbacks,
you know, we got guys really throwing that ball there,
and who's gonna win up front? And if you look
at every super Bowl. You know who who's taking over.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
You know the heats and you see which one's gonna win.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
And I told him, was that right? I want to
be the best one. We're gonna be the best D
line and we're gonna be the best D line. But
I want to be the best one. So you know
that's my that's my challenge for them, and you know
they accept. They know that. They know they accept that
for me, and I accept that for them as well.
Like Trey, Me and Trey talk all the time. It's
like my little brother, and like he know and I
know he knows, I'm gonna be the top dog Tree.
(11:39):
You gotta come give me well, he said, Josh, I'm
gonna be top doll. We're gonna work. You know what
I'm saying. It's that competitive edge man. We need to compete.
You know. I want to be the best. You want
to be the best. We want to be the best together,
and we keep we got to keep proving it right.
Everybody can do it one time, everybody, look do it
two times, three times.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
That's where I got to get to the world. The
world tries to crown people king over one year. If
you've been in this Lee long enough. I'm like, yeah,
but show me three four years. You can do it
three four years. I believe in the height. If you
do it for one year, anybody can catch a lick. Anybody,
anybody can roll the dice and be amazing off one roll.
Show me if you can continue, you know, and then
you got to keep it like that that building like
(12:18):
and and the greatest thing about you just said is
you know, like i'ma be topped doll, but I want
you to come get me. It's like I used to
tell the d Lion. I'm telling d Lion all the time.
I like, Yo, if y'all can shine as bright as
y'all can, Like if y'all bring in everything y'all do,
y'all be amazing as you can think about how much
more amazing I'm gonna look too, Because like if you say, bro,
if you're if you're a sword and you're your sword
(12:39):
and your sword everybody is what is these gleaming swords
call me Excalibur, Like I'm gonna be like I'm a
king slayer, you know what I'm saying. Like, and you
have to have that mentality in this game. So when
you come to it, like I want to make Brian
Bezi the best he can be. I want to be uh,
I want to I want to make Carl Grant's and
the best that he can be because by doing that,
that base their play, which is gonna push myself to
(13:02):
work even harder.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Sir.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
So, I mean, I just want to say, like, what
did you what did you do this differently? You know,
for years previous to this break, this huge monster's here.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
You just had uh staying locked in.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
You know.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I did a lot more reading this past year, my
audio books. Uh, lots more.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Audio books, like books protecting.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Football or just mental mental mindset brooks, you know, being
able to stay locked in, uh, being able to control,
you know, control what you could control. So for me
game days, man, I didn't listen to any music. You know.
I was really big on, you know, if anything was
to happen, I didn't want music to be the reason
why I didn't perform, you know, or it didn't I
didn't play my song. I didn't do this, just like
(13:43):
little things. So it was really big on how mentally
can I be in the game, Like I'm mentally confident.
I know. I studied this dude for so long. I
studied his offense. For so long there was no music.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
How did you keep your cane.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
A lot there? I'm just breathing, watching the whole time. No,
I get in a dark room. So my first thing,
my people find me a dark room. I get a
dark room. I go in there. I just chill out,
control my thoughts in the stadium, in the stadium, in
the locker room.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Once you once you get to the stadium.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I find you know, my people give me a dark room.
I go in there, and you know, I take a
little nap. I read my book. First of all. I
read my book so I can like get off of football,
get off of you know, any feeling that I'm about
to feel, and just have like a you know, I
got better off of reading, you know, and I'm reading
things that's that can apply to me in this game.
(14:34):
So I'm reading these books. I'm taking naps. I listen
to a little jazz here. And I got that from Lebron. Uh,
I got that from Brin. I definitely take that from Bro.
And you stay on the first page I read, Okay,
I read I've been reading this uh Relentlessness by Tim Grover,
and you know he talks about three areas of people.
(14:57):
You got a cooler, cleaner, you got a cool you
got a cleaner, and you got a closer. I'm a cleaner.
You know, look.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Cleaner, cleaner. What's the cleaner?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Guy that do it right? You know a guy that
do it right half the time, and you got to
cooler that guy that's just out there. You know, I
don't want to. You know they talking about clutch people.
You know, clutch people come come in clutch moments. I
want't be a player that come in at all moments.
And so if I can continue to have that mindset,
continue to challenge myself, continue to push myself in practice,
(15:35):
first one on the field, last one to leave. Really
doing things that's applying myself to get better during practice.
You know, I do things pre practice to get better
during practice, and then I do the things that after
practice that I didn't do right in practice. So every
day I just feel like I'm getting better. You know,
I'm eating right. You know, my family, My family is situated.
(15:56):
I make sure that my wife is you know, stable
enough that if I'm not in a house we're covering
my body or sleeping in this hyperbarrick, that everything's okay
and make sure I spend time with my kids and
obviously tell them, let them know why I'm doing what
I'm doing. And also I take them with me sometimes,
so you know, making sure everything in my life is
is what it's supposed to be so I can play.
(16:18):
That's why kids like we had to chill out on
the kids.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
You know, three three is a plenty.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
There is a lot.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
It gets to be a lot, especially in season. You know, wife,
you need a date night, we.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Can do day night, Tuesday night. We day nights Tuesday, Tuesday,
today night.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
You guys do like a defensive line dinner defense.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
So again, so you know, un fortunate. We've been building
our house for three years and it just got finished
right before I signed my contract. You know, so prior
to that, I was like what, I don't know what
we're gonna do, you know, like we're gonna sell it,
We're gonna move here, we gotta do this. And then
we get our house done, and then a couple days
ago we signed our contract. So it's like this is
our future. We built it for our family and so like,
(16:59):
and now we got built to where we can entertain,
like we have spaces for the kids. And then we
have people now we can have people over, So I
kind of want to That's where he said, take more
control and take more lead, come over. You know we
did dinners. Yeah, but I want to do more of
like a chill like come to the crib. Maybe we'll
watch the game, maybe watch some tape. You know, I
got a good setup to where I can entertain a
(17:21):
lot more people, and I want to take more control
in that. And you know, this is my team. They
pay me to be that guy. Yeah, you know, so
it's time to take over.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Yeah, act accordingly. Look on our defense. We do defense
every defense, dinners every other Thursday, and like it just
goes from like the pecking order, ogill pay the you
know the so it's now it's me the oldest guy
in the room. Pay the next time that it just goes,
you know, from whoever on and then every other week
(17:53):
the d line will go eat you know. So then
so it's always just like camaraderie. It's always like trying
to figure out how like what motivates my teammates off
the field, on the field, whatever it is, so I
can be just have that relatable moment like in game
if things get huge, it's like all right, bro, Like,
I just need you to lock in with me, like
we've gone through enough. I know enough about you, like
I know how to lock you in, you know, like
whatever it is. And I feel like those off the
(18:16):
field moments creates that trust and that camaraderie that you
sort of need to achieve success in the season. Yes, sir,
for you to have folks up to the house. Man,
I ain't no way with the kids. It ain't no
way only because I know I'm not helping clean nothing.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Hey, that's why you hire help.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Facts. At the end of the day, my wife gonna
look at me like are you helping? And I'm gonna
look at her like these hands is broke.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
I gotta take I can take the trash help, you know.
I do a little dishes, you know. That's why you
got to have the paper plates, and you throw a
lot of stuff away, you know. So we we kind
of we kind of been planning on this from minute now.
I got you to take out the trash and that's
where I take the trash out quick and we got
it right to.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
It opening doors right there. Hey, I'm big on take
off the trash. That's where it stops. Though, this has
been here for a while, you're talking to me. I
love you. I load the dishwashing.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
It's a slippery slope unloaded, unloaded. I don't know. I
just feel like I'm like, why it takes so long?
But loading the dishwasher. Dishwasher?
Speaker 1 (19:28):
No, no, no, no no, I said while we was dating,
I said that precedents very Hey, hey, I can take
the trash out. I ain't got nothing for you after this,
so I'm stay consistent.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yes, sir, stay tuned.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
We'll be right back. So you're being at the sack summit, right,
How does this? How's this fitting to your goals of improving?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Man? Just I like to learn, I like to see
see my already came. I already got questions that I
want to ask certain people, and you're one of the
people I wanted to definitely chop it up with on
just you know how you I know how I break
down film, But like, what other tendencies do you look
at when you you know, when you're looking at a tackle,
you're looking at an offensive scheme? Like what is what
(20:11):
is telltale signs that you can see on film? You know?
Like that's really what I want to get to, you know,
I'm not big social outside. You know this that you know,
if I catch you, I catch you. Just like when
we played, y'all, you know, it was my moment. We
had a little time. I'm gonna go say what's up?
Told you you know what I'm saying, like, show my
respect Clays. And I was with Clays and one thing
(20:32):
he told me, Man, if you really love his game,
you gotta respect it. You got to respect the people
who paid it for you. So for me, it was like,
I've always you know, and I loved the game. I
always loved the game. So for him to say that
to me, so it's like when I do play against
another guy, I have to you know, I respect you know,
I respect the game. I respect what you've done. Not
a lot of people have done what you've done. So
it was a moment for me to show, you know,
(20:54):
show show, show show. My value to you is that
I'm coming to get you, bro, and I respect what
you do and I love it because I want to
be there one day.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
And that club it's a club for a reason. Come
join me. I gotta get push. I'm gonna push this
bard over for twenty five thirty sacks and come on
now you know what I'm saying that just like it,
and you all got goals.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Because because Ryan, he's been showing me a lot of
your tape man, and so I've definitely been tapped in
a lot more so, you know, and I like what
you do. Yeah, I appreciate that, but I can't do
what you do.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
No. I mean, look, there's a lot of boods that
you do that. I'm like, ah, I'm not, but I
know me got a lot of masks to him.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Ryan Nilson came in probably like year six or seven.
For me, it was like hey, man, mask kicks, I
need you big. And I was like, well, say lest
I'm your guy from beginn But I mean it's crazy
that you now you got Ryan Nielsen. He's different as
a decordinator than it was his D line coach. You
get like the relaxed Ryan Nielsen Ryan Nilson DL coach
(22:00):
hands on twenty four to seven. I believe he like
like he feeling the need to fire you up at
every moment. You're like, just take a breath, let me
talk to you over here. Let me let me talk
to you over here. So we don't have to we
don't have to have this, you know, because like you know,
when a new coach comes in, you know, it's like
he's he pays the way. It's like, hey, my way
to the highway, and I'm like, come to this highway
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real quick. We're gonna make it our way.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah, for sure, you know. And that's that's real that
you said that, because you know, I know what I
do best, you know, and what I do best kind
of doesn't it's not it's not like what he's was
like teaches to do. So to have that conversation that
sitting down with him, to have that conversation, he coach,
this is what I do best, right, and but I
(22:43):
do like what he did help me out. He said
to to He said three different things. Rush angles, you know,
speed rush, got to change the power angle rush. And
he made me simplified. He made me like made it
so simple. Give him power and he's gonna stop his feet.
What you got office a linement are dumb?
Speaker 1 (22:59):
So like it that the same going It was half
of the linement, like they're literally cattle.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah, what you do last?
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Like which way did you go?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
George?
Speaker 1 (23:07):
That's the top of the lineman in general, and like
there's smarter ones I'm sure that can count the three,
but like, you know, for real, it's like it's like
if you kill him with the speed, move one one one,
put one down, like you can literally just be like
all right, now here's my counter. Like all they remember
is the last.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Now that's it, and it's yeah, he told me. He
told me those things, and I was like, I want
to go train on my own. I'm like, he just
made it a lot easier for me. So when I
want to study, it's like, you know, when I watch
your tape, what angle is he rushing at? Especially if
we're playing against a guy that we're about to see
this year, Like he worshed with his speed, and what
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did his feet do? His feet kept going, his feet stopped?
So this is my counter. So it's like, you know,
putting moves that a lot of people do, But what
move can I do? You know, I'm a cross chop. Absolutely,
side saisions is not my thing, right, but cross chop?
How can I threaten you to get the same reaction
that you just got to put him in this position?
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You know? So there's just things things I think I.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Stole my side swipe from like Alex okafort I becoming
like whatever it is. As I'm watching film, like, you know,
my my arm over I've been doing forever, but I
took I took that. I took that power move from
from Klay's campbell. I'm like, oh that was like after
I was like to catch my arm over. I can
try and work and work back inside with this. I'm
never going to be a hump guy, but I.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Like I can throw that thing.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I can, I can try to throw it, like I
still I still like different angles from all different rushers.
I look at Danil Hunter and I'm like, oh, that
long arm crazy and that like he has that that's
like his chop is just like vertically down. I'm feeling
moves at every like as much film as I watched.
I stopped watching film on officeive linemen and started watching
film on concepts, schemes and other defensive ends because I
(24:57):
love I love the way you know we rush or
how you rush or how Trayvon rushes.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
When did you get when'd you When did you get
out of that? When did you get out of that? Realm?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Probably like year three, I was like so focused on like, oh,
what's he doing? What's he doing? I could care less
what he's doing because it's like he has to work
in work within the scheme. He has to work in
like if they're a pulling team or motion team, whatever
it is, he has to work in his confinements. And
then again, offensive linemen like if they were if they
were actually athletes, they would have played on the defensive side.
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And that's like you'd be like, oh, man, he used
to be you know, he was a basketball player and
now he's fat, so he's an offensive lineman. Or like
oh he was a de tackle and he was a tackle,
but then he got fat and now he's a guard.
You know, like if you were twitchy, you would be
on this side. If you you know, if you were
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as fast as they say, you be on on this side.
So I look at them as just you know, they're like,
oh he has great obstacles, Like his one job is
to hold dear life for three seconds.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Do you know it's crazy that you say that, because
I look at these dudes, that's how can I get
them to this arm slab? So when I was here
to when I was here for the last summer and
they had me up there speaking, but I was so
in shock. I'm like, I'm here breaking out my tape.
I'm like, uh. And I was talking to uh uh
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justin Houston, and he was like, Bro, you gotta work
on you gotta work on the arm, you know, on
the arm sleds. You better be on there every single day,
every single day. You gotta know what you do. You
gotta trust what you do, because right now I don't
like your trusting what you're doing. You gotta go into
the trust real. And I'm telling I got you every
day I've been to this day, still do I even
(26:44):
one at the crib. I got my kids, I got
my kids. I'm trying to tell you. I tell my kids.
I say, hey, boys, what daddy do for living sack quarterbacks?
What y'all do for living sack quarterbacks? So let's do it.
It's like training. I get it. Come on, we work,
let's work this cross shot. I get my oldest, I
(27:05):
gotta work with the eyes closed. I switch it up
on my poset and I get back on and got
my second boy. He getting quicker on it now, six
years old.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Out there work.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah, we get it because I feel like if I
can train them to do it, then I'm always keeping
it on my mind. You know what I mean, so
I think it kind of that's what I do. So
it's like if I can do what I do just
without thinking, then it's like who can stop me? In
my mind? Because if you if I can't cross chopping,
I'm gonna run down your face and start that. And
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now you're thinking about me running out your face.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
And that I cross I'm thinking at it.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
So it's you know, everything got a plan in my mind.
But you know right now to eighty five Oh me too,
eighty five dollars system, Yeah, come.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
On in mass kicks ass more power, Okay, And I've
been liking it.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Okay, I've been liking it.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Look you say that until you like fifty snaps in
in that back.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
That back. They told me, they, Josh, I know you
like to play, well, we're gonna have to rotate you
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
I'm like, I gotta fill it out, coach. And we
argued about that for a little bit. But I'm starting
to understand the reason and of the madness. But I
like to play, right. I got that from Kalayis. Kalays
he never want to get out the game. I used
to hate playing behind class, but Clays, I got you
it's it's ten players in class. I'm good, man, I'm good.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I'm good.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
I'm about the game. Bro Come on, man, let me
get it up. But uh, but I feel like the
longer I can get into a.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Groove, you feel, you feel the flow, and you feel like.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
I'm seeing I ain't see this. Look at this hill
he leaning on he rockets, you know. It's like, you know,
those are things I get when I'm in the when
I'm in the game. If i'm watching, I'm not I'm
watching this day, I'm looking at the ball, rust a
run or it's I'm not you.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Know, absolutely, that flowed the game.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
It's serious, it's real.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
We'll be right back.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Now.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Tell me about this. You like, you've had You've had rushers,
but now you've got Trayvon Walker on the other side. Uh,
what if you've given him so his game is like
you become a counterpart to him, you know, so they
have to worry about you and him, you know, they
double team you. They got to work about Trayvon or
you know, whatever whatever he's doing. You know, if you
guys switch sides, it's like, what are you looking looking
(29:22):
at his moves or is he looking at you? Or
it's like, how are you guys rushing the corrala quarterback?
Speaker 2 (29:26):
I think it's a trust. I always tell him to
trust himself. You know you didn't. You didn't get here
for no reason. You know, and trust your process and
trust your moves. You know what I'm saying, Like I
just told you, I know what moves. I know I
can win on. I've trained it, I've trusted it. I've
instilled it in my mind and body that I can
work these moves and you and now I can do it. Trey,
(29:46):
you have to do the same thing. You have to
mold your body. What do you do best? His get off?
His get off is insane, Like getting to point A
to point B is probably the best I've ever seen
in person. You know, he's strong, he's long. So it's
just like, okay, you're fighting this dude. Your get off
is five yards, ten yards and two steps? Right now?
(30:10):
You on them because you just naturally like that, Well,
how are you gonna beat him? Now? Like when you
get on them, what are you gonna do? What's your plan?
Speaker 1 (30:18):
You know?
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Run down? Well, okay, well if he started that, then
what's your next plan? Now? It's angles? So now if
you keep running with this, you know, you power angle them,
but you get him sized scissors? Right, How is that working?
Speaker 1 (30:31):
How are you making it?
Speaker 2 (30:32):
You know what I'm saying. So you gotta really you know,
And there's been games where Bro just consistently just whipping dudes,
you know, because he knows what he's doing, you know
what I'm saying. So I think just consistently like being
on top of him and helping him out because you know,
I always felt like, you know, I'm just do this
by myself, but also be accountable for everybody else. But
(30:54):
now it's like trade. But we've also had times with Trade,
you know, right, we know that they running a time
or not inside. All right, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
I'm gonna go. You go hard quarterback flush and you
know you really feed if you step up, it's me
if he if he flushed around, it's got to be you.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Absolutely, And that's one thing with Tray two is like
having that trust with each other because it was it
all changed for me. We played Miami in the preseason
and we did a flush game and like in practice,
we did it and Tray stopped, like he didn't finish
the flush. He just stopped and the quarterback just flushed out,
(31:33):
and so it was like, bro, you gotta do it.
And then in the game we did it, did the
same thing. He stopped at the quarterback flushed out. So
it was like it was like that moment where it
was like, no more, everything that we do, everything that
we trained for in practice is going to happen. So
let's not train bad habits in practice and walk through
and all the things that we do. Let's make sure
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we're excellent and everything we do so when we get
into the game, is it's even better or it's better,
you know what I mean, Like at least have that
habit of doing it. So you know, that's one thing
that we just talk about all the time, like in practice,
Like you know, when we communicate, we communicate it ain't
know like yeah, yeah, I hear you. Nah. If you
tell me you want to work something, you want to
work something, I trust you. I trust what you see.
(32:16):
I'm gonna do it. And it goes vice versas, but
not only us, but the interior as well. Hey hey,
I got an exit right here. I've been watching on
tape second and long. He likes to just tag like
a kickset, so boo, and that's gonna give you a
lot Hey texted, texted, or goose it or you know
what I'm saying, hit that ads because he's coming out
to me, or we can run a quick exit because
he's bailing. So it's just like having that trust, and
that's where I want to get to. It's like having
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that trust between the line that you know, when me
and Clay's rushed it said one thing. We said one
or two things to each other and it was like
sack because we trusted each other. He said something, Hey,
Jo's run a text.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
You're all right, cool, gotta run it. Boom, I'm hitting it.
Text sack.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Hey, Clay's exit, exit, got you your fellow but booom
exit Sack. You know what I'm saying. So, but we
had that trust, and that was the thing that we
was hanging out outside the building as well. So it's
like we had like I want to bring that officially
to Jacksonville, you know, and I think we got a
lot of we got a good core now that's been there. Yeah,
So it's like I know what we're getting into and
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I know what we can be.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Think about this when you're setting up moves right on
the edge to understand angles. It's a lot like hooping, right,
It's about getting your man off centered. So like in
my mind, if I'm on the edge and I'm like yo,
and like you know, when you're really teeing off you
have two three sacks or you're just killing your dude,
he go to the sideline. I'm like, I'm hooping right now.
(33:38):
I'm in my bag. I heard you. I heard you
hoop back in the gap, right, got a little little
basketball to you. Does that Do you think that helps
you out to play football? Uh?
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah, it definitely care But you don't want to have
that mindset, that basketball mindset playing for nobody. I said,
that's what I said.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
I'm just saying, like the ability to isol the ability
to shift your weight to shift angles, like you know
when you exactly that band for sure.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Yeah, I mean definitely when I look at uh, when
I watched Vron, you know back in because I told
you I've been on the Super Bowl journey, right, So
when I watched back to the fifteen when he went
on that little run, he was the best player in
the playoffs whole every game. And the way for him
to work that bending keep going full speed is just
(34:27):
how do you do that? How do you work that?
How do you get to that angle? Like what was
your mindset? What was your what was your thought process?
Like what what did you do to get yourself in
that position at all times? If that was the that
was because he was just power rushing and as soon
as he stopped his feet just running around him. So
it's like that's the that's like you're about to cross.
(34:49):
So I can see it all relate. Obviously. I come
from a basketball family as well. Right If you know
my sister in w n B A, So I watch
her a lot, and she a big post player, and
I love seeing her get in the post because the
idea get a post, everybody back on the sheet work
in that spere. So I think body position all matters.
You having a power angle, I'm rushing you, I just
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ran down your face. I might know I might not
a one, but you felt me run on your face.
So now when I give you that same illusion, just
like you said, they don't get that same illusion, you're
gonna stop your feet getting ready.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
To catch it.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Now you can't recover. So I think it, dude, got
a good you know, I think it does matter.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Foundation where it transfers over absolutely, now do you agree with?
You know, was that a month ago, a month and
a half ago when Austin Rivers hit everybody with the
there's more NBA players that could transfer over to the NFL,
the NFL, the NBA, And I was like, that don't
make sense, Like we're talking about height differential. And even then,
(35:49):
who like Austin Rivers. I'm like, I'm saying, who would like?
Who would who could? Who could play? Who could have
a successful career from the NBA to NFL?
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Right? Them dudes is huge, They're tall, bro Polo. I
went to the Magic playoff game man and I took
a picture. But I'm big, right, you know. I took
a picture about this dude. This dude is mass tall.
How do you play?
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Like?
Speaker 2 (36:11):
What do you play? Would you play? You play tight end?
Speaker 1 (36:14):
You're dying, You're you're getting her, You're dying. You can't
you can't run over the middle. But it's over. It's
over anything six seven and above you at tight end,
you're just a red zone threat or your your career
is over.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Them boys not playing receiver, right, the boys not playing running?
But who playing running back?
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Look? I see I see basketball players like like run
routes and they look like Buddy off of off of
American whatever, bro, And I'm like, like, it's it's just
be upset, like, man, I really got it like that.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
But guys can really hoop like we got hooping. We
got there's some people in the in the NFL that
can really holp like and we the same size as them,
something somewhat to threes. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
We got a lot of fire one two threes for sure.
Translatable for I'm not gonna lie to you. There's not
twenty guys that are six eight and above.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
And Trayvon shout out to Trey. Trey's a dog. He's
a whole. Yes, Travon Walker, He's a dog like dog
in the post. Yeah, you know, I used to be
trying to hate because like but then I'm really watching
like damn, I got it, damn like big body like
(37:33):
and it looked good too, bro, real smooth, okayes.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Who's the Who's the h last? What I have for
you is is who's the best dresser on your team?
Best dressed game? They fits in and out, not just
not just oh he was killing them one week consistency.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
We got a couple of guys. We had a couple
of guys. Can I put myself in it? You can
if you think if you can definitely put myself on there.
You know, I'm more of a classical you know, if
you know, you know type of dude, you know, but
looking really clean. We got Roy who wears like a
lot of colorful, you know, suits and who can really
put it together. Big Roy, Big Roy. And you got
(38:10):
got Cisco, Roy Robinson, Robinson Harris, Yeah, you got him.
And then you got Andre Cisco, who's more of the
you know, the the uh retro or more up to
date fashion trends. He come out with some stuff I like, uh, Kurt.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Kurt Kirk is like five. Now that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
I'll be good one hundred ten pounds Okay. He used
to fit everything, thank you. Okay, Just like I say
that with shoe sizes, like, dude, man, you can't cut
to me on the you wear thirteen, dude, I can't
wear those dudes.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
I gotta see.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
I gotta win my Zenians dogs just to wear black sneakers.
You know what I'm saying. I got the Gucci, I
got I got I got wear Zena shoes, right, But
it's all for the big guys.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Bro, Like, it gets hard, it gets hard to drip,
and yet we find the way. You don't say drip,
don't drown.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
No, what's the hair do this year? Bro?
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Man, I'm just too stranding up, bro, I'm just just
saying light. I've been I've been playoff list for for
like three years. I'm focused in. I might even chop
it all off, just like I could kill all maintenance work.
But I'm I'm focused in. I'm locked in. We're gonna
make it real simple. I was gonna have fun with it.
I was like, bro, like three years of no playoffs,
you don't get to have fun. I need to win
a super Bowl, like I've got. I got two years
(39:22):
left in this thing. You know, congratulations too, they just
get paid.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
No, that's just an extension, bro, Like yeah, congratulations though.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
I'm just like, give me a Year fifteen. Man, we
just slide in.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Congratulations on that too, but put the same franchise. It's tough,
you know. I'm trying to be right behind.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Year fourteen coming in doing a super Bowl. I said,
hopefully I'll see you there, yescause I'm being that thing, yes, sir,
but appreciate you jumping on the pod. Shout out to
everybody who has made you the man that you are today,
because clearly you got your head on the right way.
And I just want to say thank you for stopping
by off the edge with me and your host Cam
(40:05):
j Hey, I just like looking back at him to
look back at you, to look back at him.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Appreciate you bro always brother, Appreciate you having me on
Here we are on off the Edge with me, your
host Cam Jordan, and I'm just overly blessed, overly happy
to be here in Las Vegas at the annual Sack Summit,
which has become a thing now you know me, Von Miller,
Max Crosby, first collaboration. We're gonna take off from here.
But I'm sitting here with my guy, Josh Allen. When
(00:23):
I say paid is an understatement. We're not gonna put
numbers out there, but he just got paid this offseason.
We are so excited for him to join the show.
When I say pro bowler, we're talking about Josh Allen.
When I say, you know a guy who had seventeen
and a half sacks this past season, a threshold that
is hard to get to. You know, there's been a
lot of seasons you can put together, have ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen.
(00:48):
Once you get beyond that fifteen, you get in a real,
real rare air and you hit seventeen a half marks
and seventeen half sacks for the mark this is past season.
I'm just gonna say congratulations on your congratulations on getting paid,
Congratulations on everything you've done at this point, and I
know there's so much more, but I appreciate you tapping
in on the.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Show Man to be here with your big bro. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Indeed, indeed you've been to Saxon before, right, I have
ten years ago, I'll say I was one of them years.
I was like, all these all these sex I'm start
to blend together. I was like, you've definitely been here,
and was it three years ago? And now you're coming
back you know where where it's bigger and better than ever.
What are you looking forward to?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Uh? Communication? Uh, blending with the guys, learning, growing and
also spreading my knowledge and wealth things that I you know,
learned throughout these years that I could pass on the
other guys, spreading wealth.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Can I get a dollar wealth, the well wealth of
of knowledge? Got excited?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I can help you make some money, you know, Okay,
no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yeah, amazing. Uh speaking of you, you know, just the the
success that you've had, have you have? You had a
big spurs yet I know you got a fami. I
know you got kids beyond moms, and I know you
took care of the fam. I know you got a wife.
He probably got a nice purse out of it.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
What did you get you I got a new car. Oh,
we'll say double r Oh. I had to get it.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Oh big big, big big dog. Okay, I'm saving that.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
What a driver?
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Oh does it come with the driver? But does a
double art come with the driver? You gotta sell it separately.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
It's easy. You gotta get it separately. But it's easy
to get one, especially in jackson A lot of people.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, Jacksonville really small baby. Oh your boy.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I'm not gonna lie to you.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
When I first got to Jacksonville, my my big homie
Tyson Lululu was drafted. Was that twenty ten first time
I ever got through Jacksonville, was like, there's nothing here.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Nope, that's why it's easy to make people people connections.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Fourteen years later, it actually looks like it's like a
solid city now.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah, it's growing. It's definitely grown. With the new stadium
being built to I think that's gonna bring a lot
more revenue, a lot more a lot more money in
the city. Uh, and then bringing the four seasons into
our owner bringing the four seasons in and y'all got
a four seasons in Jacksonville, were making one. Yeah, so
we're doing something. Man, and you know, hopefully that just
keeps growing and growing for us.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Right right, You got my you got my former d
line coach Ryan Nilsen as your decordinator. Now you've had
you know, a little off season with them. How do
you like him so far?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I mean, so far, so good? You know for me,
you know, he called the first time. The first thing
he talked about when I talked on the phone with
him was you going forward. That's all I need to hear. Now,
put the ball in my court. Let me beat me
and we can do that. And I think the conversations
that we had he kind of lets you, you know,
take a chow because I think in his defense, you know,
the ends need to be need to be elite, you know,
(03:50):
needs to be those guys. And where I'm at and
where my trajectory is going in my career, I can
only see myself going up. So if you allow me
to go right, trust me that I'm gonna go. And
but now this year, man, I did that last year
by myself. Now it's trying to spread that well to
the others. You know. Uh, got Trey who's coming up.
(04:11):
Got Eric that's new, and we got a lot of
younger guys that I can kind of like, let's let's
do this movie like this. You know, you got a
monster in the middle, and I'm already knowing. Man, I'm happy.
I'm happy kid in the store the show.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Uh, I mean, you know, it seems like you guys
got a strong collective. You know, a couple of years
ago they paid the wide receiver Kirk. You know, they
they kept They're starting to keep their own you. You know,
Trevor Lawrence, how does how does it make you feel
that organization, you know, wants to love the players, wants
to you know, pay their loyalty towards players like you
(04:47):
and Trevor.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I mean, it means a lot. Uh. It means we're
going in the right direction. You know, things that haven't
been done in a very long time. You know. For
me to be the first you know, one hundred million
dollar player in organization, like in the whole organization, Uh,
it's kind of crazy, but it's a it's a humble experience,
and you know, I'm thankful for that. But we're in
the right directions. We're keeping our top players, our best players,
(05:10):
and our core players as well, so we can continue
to keep building on that, keep bringing the younger guys up.
That's why we put these guys in these roles to
I mean, you played for the Saints, you had none
but young guys and build them up and now you
see them go here, go there. But they helped that
organization build as well. That's all I want to do.
Put my name on the map and never be forgotten
in Jacksonville history, right right, But I mean, just.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Keep your core guys in there. Keeps your locker room
integrity good too, like the vibes, the ability for you know,
in the season, you're going to have adversity, you're going
to have those wins by twenty points, some losses by
threes that hurt way more than a blowout loss. But
that core locker room keeps it going. Like, tell me
about that. Tell me about your locker room. How does
it feel? Because you know every locker room is different,
so I'm always intrigued to know, like what is your
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locker room feel like? Is there is you know, I
don't see any dancing or or like you know, now,
we got.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
A cool locked room. We got a lot of young guys.
This is one of two things that we I think
we need to implement this year moving forward to build
that team chemistry. I think right now, we too were
too blocked off, you know where we got one one
one group of like D line in one area, old
line another area. I think we need to mix that up.
Uh and just just know you know your teammates and
(06:24):
I think that kind of bang. I think that would
bring a lot more chemistry with each other offense and defensively.
But other than that, we got a young locker room.
We'd like to have fun.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Who gets control of the ox?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
You know, I keep boom box, you know, so I
usually but I like the old schools and so if
I'm on it, you know, I'm usually playing cards with
the guys and I'm playing you know, my jams and stuff.
It's old school for you, sir.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
You were born in.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
The oh So I like you know, I like a
little Luther, you know, I like a little I like
a little music soul child. You know, I like the
viz bro. I like to keep it cause we all
we go out on the field. We listened in that rap.
We go in the weight room, were listening in the rap.
You know, all this stops rolling around kind of need
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it in the locker room. Just keep a nice chill vibe.
Everybody talking vibbing out. Like I said, we're playing cards.
We got a basketball hoop. You know, we got a
nice little you know.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Game room.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Guys go chilling. We do jack. You mean, like like
I said, we got it's like a little lounge, a
little LOUNGEO. We got pers fours, golf simulator, pink pong table. Yeah,
come on, man, we're doing it.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Man, Okay, I love it. I love it. I mean, uh,
we know obviously you're you're you're a leader on the team.
You lead by example. What's it like to have you know,
Trevor Lawren's former number one overall pick from Clemson. Uh,
what is he like as a quarterback? I mean when
(07:55):
I when I came to the league, I had Drew
Brees and like so the epitome of a leader. I
know exactly what that looked like. You know, for you
you come in and then you get you get Trevor Lawrence,
and he clearly is a clear cut got to be
a leader. The way he plays, the way he you know,
implements his style to the game. What is he like
as a leader.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
One thing that I can say about Trevor man is
the consistency that he has with the routine. You know,
I think the more older I get is you know,
you have to have a routine, but you can't be
a robot to that routine. But you have to have
a routine. And I remember, you know, his second year
and he just wasn't playing as good every morning because
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we're like early birds. So I come in there, he
right there. So it's like seeing that every single day
from now, from then to now, it's consistent. You know,
He's always had the same demeanor of like, we gonna
get it. You know what I'm saying, We're gonna command this,
We're gonna take control, you know, but we just have
to keep seasoning the moments. And but so for me,
just to see him stay disciplined, to see him stay
(08:57):
locked in Lilliam State, trusted in his craft, and for him,
you know, I like to see that. And uh, he's
been doing that ever since. And I know it's gonna
pay off. You know. I think he's gonna have a
you know, breakout year this year, and I think he's
gonna lead us the right way and lead us to
you know a lot of victories.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Okay, Okay, I mean, yeah, that the AFCU out there
scrapping ya ya y'all y'a heavy sacks with backs, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
It's it's uh, it's the D line, you know how
I'll say the d lin Ley.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
You know, the Battle of Trench is really gonna play
a part. And I think I think the investments y'all
made the last time y'all had success into into the
playoffs was you know, back when it was Saxonville. Yes, sir,
So like what y'all what y'all creative? With the addition
of Eric Armstead, y'all have potential to get back get
back to it, you know. Like it's like I said
in the intro, you had seventeen seventeen and a half
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sacks this past season. Uh, how do you talk this
last season in terms of production?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
I think, you know, I think last year, man, last
year was a difficulty. It wasn't. It was difficult for me,
you know because I feel like I couldn't rely on
anybody else mentally. So it's like two people, three people communication,
no communication. I'm gonna get it. I'm gonna meet the
band in front of me. I studied this dude since,
uh since since July, since June. You know, I know
(10:15):
my matchup and I'm gonna work this dude in front
of me. And I think, you know, that gave me
a lot of success individually, but I think it kind
of I could where I could have spreaded that wealth
all over the line and build this person and build
that person up. I think it was just like I
did it by myself. Now let me see if I
can do this, but added add the value to everybody else,
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you know, and bring them to my level. Don't I
won't go to nobody else's level. I don't want to
bring everybody up to my level. And obviously adding Eric,
a guy that's been played at the high level for
so long, played with guys that played at the high level,
play with Nick defensive play of the Year, so he
knows what that work ethic is and he knows what
that competitive is. So it's like, if I can bring
that to my other guys and take more control right
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there the CEFI, we go as a whole D line now.
And that's why I say, like AFC South young quarterbacks,
you know, we got guys really throwing that ball there,
and who's gonna win up front? And if you look
at every super Bowl. You know who who's taking over.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
You know the heats and you see which one's gonna win.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
And I told him, was that right? I want to
be the best one. We're gonna be the best D
line and we're gonna be the best D line. But
I want to be the best one. So you know
that's my that's my challenge for them, and you know
they accept. They know that. They know they accept that
for me, and I accept that for them as well.
Like Trey, Me and Trey talk all the time. It's
like my little brother, and like he know and I
know he knows, I'm gonna be the top dog Tree.
(11:39):
You gotta come give me well, he said, Josh, I'm
gonna be top doll. We're gonna work. You know what
I'm saying. It's that competitive edge man. We need to compete.
You know. I want to be the best. You want
to be the best. We want to be the best together,
and we keep we got to keep proving it right.
Everybody can do it one time, everybody, look do it
two times, three times.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
That's where I got to get to the world. The
world tries to crown people king over one year. If
you've been in this Lee long enough. I'm like, yeah,
but show me three four years. You can do it
three four years. I believe in the height. If you
do it for one year, anybody can catch a lick. Anybody,
anybody can roll the dice and be amazing off one roll.
Show me if you can continue, you know, and then
you got to keep it like that that building like
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and and the greatest thing about you just said is
you know, like i'ma be topped doll, but I want
you to come get me. It's like I used to
tell the d Lion. I'm telling d Lion all the time.
I like, Yo, if y'all can shine as bright as
y'all can, Like if y'all bring in everything y'all do,
y'all be amazing as you can think about how much
more amazing I'm gonna look too, Because like if you say, bro,
if you're if you're a sword and you're your sword
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and your sword everybody is what is these gleaming swords
call me Excalibur, Like I'm gonna be like I'm a
king slayer, you know what I'm saying. Like, and you
have to have that mentality in this game. So when
you come to it, like I want to make Brian
Bezi the best he can be. I want to be uh,
I want to I want to make Carl Grant's and
the best that he can be because by doing that,
that base their play, which is gonna push myself to
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work even harder.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Sir.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
So, I mean, I just want to say, like, what
did you what did you do this differently? You know,
for years previous to this break, this huge monster's here.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
You just had uh staying locked in.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
You know.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I did a lot more reading this past year, my
audio books. Uh, lots more.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Audio books, like books protecting.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Football or just mental mental mindset brooks, you know, being
able to stay locked in, uh, being able to control,
you know, control what you could control. So for me
game days, man, I didn't listen to any music. You know.
I was really big on, you know, if anything was
to happen, I didn't want music to be the reason
why I didn't perform, you know, or it didn't I
didn't play my song. I didn't do this, just like
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little things. So it was really big on how mentally
can I be in the game, Like I'm mentally confident.
I know. I studied this dude for so long. I
studied his offense. For so long there was no music.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
How did you keep your cane.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
A lot there? I'm just breathing, watching the whole time. No,
I get in a dark room. So my first thing,
my people find me a dark room. I get a
dark room. I go in there. I just chill out,
control my thoughts in the stadium, in the stadium, in
the locker room.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Once you once you get to the stadium.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I find you know, my people give me a dark room.
I go in there, and you know, I take a
little nap. I read my book. First of all. I
read my book so I can like get off of football,
get off of you know, any feeling that I'm about
to feel, and just have like a you know, I
got better off of reading, you know, and I'm reading
things that's that can apply to me in this game.
(14:34):
So I'm reading these books. I'm taking naps. I listen
to a little jazz here. And I got that from Lebron. Uh,
I got that from Brin. I definitely take that from Bro.
And you stay on the first page I read, Okay,
I read I've been reading this uh Relentlessness by Tim Grover,
and you know he talks about three areas of people.
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You got a cooler, cleaner, you got a cool you
got a cleaner, and you got a closer. I'm a cleaner.
You know, look.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Cleaner, cleaner. What's the cleaner?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Guy that do it right? You know a guy that
do it right half the time, and you got to
cooler that guy that's just out there. You know, I
don't want to. You know they talking about clutch people.
You know, clutch people come come in clutch moments. I
want't be a player that come in at all moments.
And so if I can continue to have that mindset,
continue to challenge myself, continue to push myself in practice,
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first one on the field, last one to leave. Really
doing things that's applying myself to get better during practice.
You know, I do things pre practice to get better
during practice, and then I do the things that after
practice that I didn't do right in practice. So every
day I just feel like I'm getting better. You know,
I'm eating right. You know, my family, My family is situated.
(15:56):
I make sure that my wife is you know, stable
enough that if I'm not in a house we're covering
my body or sleeping in this hyperbarrick, that everything's okay
and make sure I spend time with my kids and
obviously tell them, let them know why I'm doing what
I'm doing. And also I take them with me sometimes,
so you know, making sure everything in my life is
is what it's supposed to be so I can play.
(16:18):
That's why kids like we had to chill out on
the kids.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
You know, three three is a plenty.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
There is a lot.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
It gets to be a lot, especially in season. You know, wife,
you need a date night, we.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Can do day night, Tuesday night. We day nights Tuesday, Tuesday,
today night.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
You guys do like a defensive line dinner defense.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
So again, so you know, un fortunate. We've been building
our house for three years and it just got finished
right before I signed my contract. You know, so prior
to that, I was like what, I don't know what
we're gonna do, you know, like we're gonna sell it,
We're gonna move here, we gotta do this. And then
we get our house done, and then a couple days
ago we signed our contract. So it's like this is
our future. We built it for our family and so like,
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and now we got built to where we can entertain,
like we have spaces for the kids. And then we
have people now we can have people over, So I
kind of want to That's where he said, take more
control and take more lead, come over. You know we
did dinners. Yeah, but I want to do more of
like a chill like come to the crib. Maybe we'll
watch the game, maybe watch some tape. You know, I
got a good setup to where I can entertain a
(17:21):
lot more people, and I want to take more control
in that. And you know, this is my team. They
pay me to be that guy. Yeah, you know, so
it's time to take over.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Yeah, act accordingly. Look on our defense. We do defense
every defense, dinners every other Thursday, and like it just
goes from like the pecking order, ogill pay the you
know the so it's now it's me the oldest guy
in the room. Pay the next time that it just goes,
you know, from whoever on and then every other week
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the d line will go eat you know. So then
so it's always just like camaraderie. It's always like trying
to figure out how like what motivates my teammates off
the field, on the field, whatever it is, so I
can be just have that relatable moment like in game
if things get huge, it's like all right, bro, Like,
I just need you to lock in with me, like
we've gone through enough. I know enough about you, like
I know how to lock you in, you know, like
whatever it is. And I feel like those off the
(18:16):
field moments creates that trust and that camaraderie that you
sort of need to achieve success in the season. Yes, sir,
for you to have folks up to the house. Man,
I ain't no way with the kids. It ain't no
way only because I know I'm not helping clean nothing.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Hey, that's why you hire help.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Facts. At the end of the day, my wife gonna
look at me like are you helping? And I'm gonna
look at her like these hands is broke.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
I gotta take I can take the trash help, you know.
I do a little dishes, you know. That's why you
got to have the paper plates, and you throw a
lot of stuff away, you know. So we we kind
of we kind of been planning on this from minute now.
I got you to take out the trash and that's
where I take the trash out quick and we got
it right to.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
It opening doors right there. Hey, I'm big on take
off the trash. That's where it stops. Though, this has
been here for a while, you're talking to me. I
love you. I load the dishwashing.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
It's a slippery slope unloaded, unloaded. I don't know. I
just feel like I'm like, why it takes so long?
But loading the dishwasher. Dishwasher?
Speaker 1 (19:28):
No, no, no, no no, I said while we was dating,
I said that precedents very Hey, hey, I can take
the trash out. I ain't got nothing for you after this,
so I'm stay consistent.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yes, sir, stay tuned.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
We'll be right back. So you're being at the sack summit, right,
How does this? How's this fitting to your goals of improving?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Man? Just I like to learn, I like to see
see my already came. I already got questions that I
want to ask certain people, and you're one of the
people I wanted to definitely chop it up with on
just you know how you I know how I break
down film, But like, what other tendencies do you look
at when you you know, when you're looking at a tackle,
you're looking at an offensive scheme? Like what is what
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is telltale signs that you can see on film? You know?
Like that's really what I want to get to, you know,
I'm not big social outside. You know this that you know,
if I catch you, I catch you. Just like when
we played, y'all, you know, it was my moment. We
had a little time. I'm gonna go say what's up?
Told you you know what I'm saying, like, show my
respect Clays. And I was with Clays and one thing
(20:32):
he told me, Man, if you really love his game,
you gotta respect it. You got to respect the people
who paid it for you. So for me, it was like,
I've always you know, and I loved the game. I
always loved the game. So for him to say that
to me, so it's like when I do play against
another guy, I have to you know, I respect you know,
I respect the game. I respect what you've done. Not
a lot of people have done what you've done. So
it was a moment for me to show, you know,
(20:54):
show show, show show. My value to you is that
I'm coming to get you, bro, and I respect what
you do and I love it because I want to
be there one day.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
And that club it's a club for a reason. Come
join me. I gotta get push. I'm gonna push this
bard over for twenty five thirty sacks and come on
now you know what I'm saying that just like it,
and you all got goals.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Because because Ryan, he's been showing me a lot of
your tape man, and so I've definitely been tapped in
a lot more so, you know, and I like what
you do. Yeah, I appreciate that, but I can't do
what you do.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
No. I mean, look, there's a lot of boods that
you do that. I'm like, ah, I'm not, but I
know me got a lot of masks to him.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Ryan Nilson came in probably like year six or seven.
For me, it was like hey, man, mask kicks, I
need you big. And I was like, well, say lest
I'm your guy from beginn But I mean it's crazy
that you now you got Ryan Nielsen. He's different as
a decordinator than it was his D line coach. You
get like the relaxed Ryan Nielsen Ryan Nilson DL coach
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hands on twenty four to seven. I believe he like
like he feeling the need to fire you up at
every moment. You're like, just take a breath, let me
talk to you over here. Let me let me talk
to you over here. So we don't have to we
don't have to have this, you know, because like you know,
when a new coach comes in, you know, it's like
he's he pays the way. It's like, hey, my way
to the highway, and I'm like, come to this highway
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real quick. We're gonna make it our way.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah, for sure, you know. And that's that's real that
you said that, because you know, I know what I
do best, you know, and what I do best kind
of doesn't it's not it's not like what he's was
like teaches to do. So to have that conversation that
sitting down with him, to have that conversation, he coach,
this is what I do best, right, and but I
(22:43):
do like what he did help me out. He said
to to He said three different things. Rush angles, you know,
speed rush, got to change the power angle rush. And
he made me simplified. He made me like made it
so simple. Give him power and he's gonna stop his feet.
What you got office a linement are dumb?
Speaker 1 (22:59):
So like it that the same going It was half
of the linement, like they're literally cattle.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah, what you do last?
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Like which way did you go?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
George?
Speaker 1 (23:07):
That's the top of the lineman in general, and like
there's smarter ones I'm sure that can count the three,
but like, you know, for real, it's like it's like
if you kill him with the speed, move one one one,
put one down, like you can literally just be like
all right, now here's my counter. Like all they remember
is the last.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Now that's it, and it's yeah, he told me. He
told me those things, and I was like, I want
to go train on my own. I'm like, he just
made it a lot easier for me. So when I
want to study, it's like, you know, when I watch
your tape, what angle is he rushing at? Especially if
we're playing against a guy that we're about to see
this year, Like he worshed with his speed, and what
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did his feet do? His feet kept going, his feet stopped?
So this is my counter. So it's like, you know,
putting moves that a lot of people do, But what
move can I do? You know, I'm a cross chop. Absolutely,
side saisions is not my thing, right, but cross chop?
How can I threaten you to get the same reaction
that you just got to put him in this position?
(24:10):
You know? So there's just things things I think I.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Stole my side swipe from like Alex okafort I becoming
like whatever it is. As I'm watching film, like, you know,
my my arm over I've been doing forever, but I
took I took that. I took that power move from
from Klay's campbell. I'm like, oh that was like after
I was like to catch my arm over. I can
try and work and work back inside with this. I'm
never going to be a hump guy, but I.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Like I can throw that thing.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I can, I can try to throw it, like I
still I still like different angles from all different rushers.
I look at Danil Hunter and I'm like, oh, that
long arm crazy and that like he has that that's
like his chop is just like vertically down. I'm feeling
moves at every like as much film as I watched.
I stopped watching film on officeive linemen and started watching
film on concepts, schemes and other defensive ends because I
(24:57):
love I love the way you know we rush or
how you rush or how Trayvon rushes.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
When did you get when'd you When did you get
out of that? When did you get out of that? Realm?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Probably like year three, I was like so focused on like, oh,
what's he doing? What's he doing? I could care less
what he's doing because it's like he has to work
in work within the scheme. He has to work in
like if they're a pulling team or motion team, whatever
it is, he has to work in his confinements. And
then again, offensive linemen like if they were if they
were actually athletes, they would have played on the defensive side.
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And that's like you'd be like, oh, man, he used
to be you know, he was a basketball player and
now he's fat, so he's an offensive lineman. Or like
oh he was a de tackle and he was a tackle,
but then he got fat and now he's a guard.
You know, like if you were twitchy, you would be
on this side. If you you know, if you were
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as fast as they say, you be on on this side.
So I look at them as just you know, they're like,
oh he has great obstacles, Like his one job is
to hold dear life for three seconds.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Do you know it's crazy that you say that, because
I look at these dudes, that's how can I get
them to this arm slab? So when I was here
to when I was here for the last summer and
they had me up there speaking, but I was so
in shock. I'm like, I'm here breaking out my tape.
I'm like, uh. And I was talking to uh uh
(26:22):
justin Houston, and he was like, Bro, you gotta work
on you gotta work on the arm, you know, on
the arm sleds. You better be on there every single day,
every single day. You gotta know what you do. You
gotta trust what you do, because right now I don't
like your trusting what you're doing. You gotta go into
the trust real. And I'm telling I got you every
day I've been to this day, still do I even
(26:44):
one at the crib. I got my kids, I got
my kids. I'm trying to tell you. I tell my kids.
I say, hey, boys, what daddy do for living sack quarterbacks?
What y'all do for living sack quarterbacks? So let's do it.
It's like training. I get it. Come on, we work,
let's work this cross shot. I get my oldest, I
(27:05):
gotta work with the eyes closed. I switch it up
on my poset and I get back on and got
my second boy. He getting quicker on it now, six
years old.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Out there work.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah, we get it because I feel like if I
can train them to do it, then I'm always keeping
it on my mind. You know what I mean, so
I think it kind of that's what I do. So
it's like if I can do what I do just
without thinking, then it's like who can stop me? In
my mind? Because if you if I can't cross chopping,
I'm gonna run down your face and start that. And
(27:33):
now you're thinking about me running out your face.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
And that I cross I'm thinking at it.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
So it's you know, everything got a plan in my mind.
But you know right now to eighty five Oh me too,
eighty five dollars system, Yeah, come.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
On in mass kicks ass more power, Okay, And I've
been liking it.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Okay, I've been liking it.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Look you say that until you like fifty snaps in
in that back.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
That back. They told me, they, Josh, I know you
like to play, well, we're gonna have to rotate you
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
I'm like, I gotta fill it out, coach. And we
argued about that for a little bit. But I'm starting
to understand the reason and of the madness. But I
like to play, right. I got that from Kalayis. Kalays
he never want to get out the game. I used
to hate playing behind class, but Clays, I got you
it's it's ten players in class. I'm good, man, I'm good.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I'm good.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
I'm about the game. Bro Come on, man, let me
get it up. But uh, but I feel like the
longer I can get into a.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Groove, you feel, you feel the flow, and you feel like.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
I'm seeing I ain't see this. Look at this hill
he leaning on he rockets, you know. It's like, you know,
those are things I get when I'm in the when
I'm in the game. If i'm watching, I'm not I'm
watching this day, I'm looking at the ball, rust a
run or it's I'm not you.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Know, absolutely, that flowed the game.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
It's serious, it's real.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
We'll be right back.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Now.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Tell me about this. You like, you've had You've had rushers,
but now you've got Trayvon Walker on the other side. Uh,
what if you've given him so his game is like
you become a counterpart to him, you know, so they
have to worry about you and him, you know, they
double team you. They got to work about Trayvon or
you know, whatever whatever he's doing. You know, if you
guys switch sides, it's like, what are you looking looking
(29:22):
at his moves or is he looking at you? Or
it's like, how are you guys rushing the corrala quarterback?
Speaker 2 (29:26):
I think it's a trust. I always tell him to
trust himself. You know you didn't. You didn't get here
for no reason. You know, and trust your process and
trust your moves. You know what I'm saying, Like I
just told you, I know what moves. I know I
can win on. I've trained it, I've trusted it. I've
instilled it in my mind and body that I can
work these moves and you and now I can do it. Trey,
(29:46):
you have to do the same thing. You have to
mold your body. What do you do best? His get off?
His get off is insane, Like getting to point A
to point B is probably the best I've ever seen
in person. You know, he's strong, he's long. So it's
just like, okay, you're fighting this dude. Your get off
is five yards, ten yards and two steps? Right now?
(30:10):
You on them because you just naturally like that, Well,
how are you gonna beat him? Now? Like when you
get on them, what are you gonna do? What's your plan?
Speaker 1 (30:18):
You know?
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Run down? Well, okay, well if he started that, then
what's your next plan? Now? It's angles? So now if
you keep running with this, you know, you power angle them,
but you get him sized scissors? Right, How is that working?
Speaker 1 (30:31):
How are you making it?
Speaker 2 (30:32):
You know what I'm saying. So you gotta really you know,
And there's been games where Bro just consistently just whipping dudes,
you know, because he knows what he's doing, you know
what I'm saying. So I think just consistently like being
on top of him and helping him out because you know,
I always felt like, you know, I'm just do this
by myself, but also be accountable for everybody else. But
(30:54):
now it's like trade. But we've also had times with Trade,
you know, right, we know that they running a time
or not inside. All right, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
I'm gonna go. You go hard quarterback flush and you
know you really feed if you step up, it's me
if he if he flushed around, it's got to be you.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Absolutely, And that's one thing with Tray two is like
having that trust with each other because it was it
all changed for me. We played Miami in the preseason
and we did a flush game and like in practice,
we did it and Tray stopped, like he didn't finish
the flush. He just stopped and the quarterback just flushed out,
(31:33):
and so it was like, bro, you gotta do it.
And then in the game we did it, did the
same thing. He stopped at the quarterback flushed out. So
it was like it was like that moment where it
was like, no more, everything that we do, everything that
we trained for in practice is going to happen. So
let's not train bad habits in practice and walk through
and all the things that we do. Let's make sure
(31:55):
we're excellent and everything we do so when we get
into the game, is it's even better or it's better,
you know what I mean, Like at least have that
habit of doing it. So you know, that's one thing
that we just talk about all the time, like in practice,
Like you know, when we communicate, we communicate it ain't
know like yeah, yeah, I hear you. Nah. If you
tell me you want to work something, you want to
work something, I trust you. I trust what you see.
(32:16):
I'm gonna do it. And it goes vice versas, but
not only us, but the interior as well. Hey hey,
I got an exit right here. I've been watching on
tape second and long. He likes to just tag like
a kickset, so boo, and that's gonna give you a
lot Hey texted, texted, or goose it or you know
what I'm saying, hit that ads because he's coming out
to me, or we can run a quick exit because
he's bailing. So it's just like having that trust, and
that's where I want to get to. It's like having
(32:37):
that trust between the line that you know, when me
and Clay's rushed it said one thing. We said one
or two things to each other and it was like
sack because we trusted each other. He said something, Hey,
Jo's run a text.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
You're all right, cool, gotta run it. Boom, I'm hitting it.
Text sack.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Hey, Clay's exit, exit, got you your fellow but booom
exit Sack. You know what I'm saying. So, but we
had that trust, and that was the thing that we
was hanging out outside the building as well. So it's
like we had like I want to bring that officially
to Jacksonville, you know, and I think we got a
lot of we got a good core now that's been there. Yeah,
So it's like I know what we're getting into and
(33:15):
I know what we can be.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Think about this when you're setting up moves right on
the edge to understand angles. It's a lot like hooping, right,
It's about getting your man off centered. So like in
my mind, if I'm on the edge and I'm like yo,
and like you know, when you're really teeing off you
have two three sacks or you're just killing your dude,
he go to the sideline. I'm like, I'm hooping right now.
(33:38):
I'm in my bag. I heard you. I heard you
hoop back in the gap, right, got a little little
basketball to you. Does that Do you think that helps
you out to play football? Uh?
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah, it definitely care But you don't want to have
that mindset, that basketball mindset playing for nobody. I said,
that's what I said.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
I'm just saying, like the ability to isol the ability
to shift your weight to shift angles, like you know
when you exactly that band for sure.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Yeah, I mean definitely when I look at uh, when
I watched Vron, you know back in because I told
you I've been on the Super Bowl journey, right, So
when I watched back to the fifteen when he went
on that little run, he was the best player in
the playoffs whole every game. And the way for him
to work that bending keep going full speed is just
(34:27):
how do you do that? How do you work that?
How do you get to that angle? Like what was
your mindset? What was your what was your thought process?
Like what what did you do to get yourself in
that position at all times? If that was the that
was because he was just power rushing and as soon
as he stopped his feet just running around him. So
it's like that's the that's like you're about to cross.
(34:49):
So I can see it all relate. Obviously. I come
from a basketball family as well. Right If you know
my sister in w n B A, So I watch
her a lot, and she a big post player, and
I love seeing her get in the post because the
idea get a post, everybody back on the sheet work
in that spere. So I think body position all matters.
You having a power angle, I'm rushing you, I just
(35:11):
ran down your face. I might know I might not
a one, but you felt me run on your face.
So now when I give you that same illusion, just
like you said, they don't get that same illusion, you're
gonna stop your feet getting ready.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
To catch it.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Now you can't recover. So I think it, dude, got
a good you know, I think it does matter.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Foundation where it transfers over absolutely, now do you agree with?
You know, was that a month ago, a month and
a half ago when Austin Rivers hit everybody with the
there's more NBA players that could transfer over to the NFL,
the NFL, the NBA, And I was like, that don't
make sense, Like we're talking about height differential. And even then,
(35:49):
who like Austin Rivers. I'm like, I'm saying, who would like?
Who would who could? Who could play? Who could have
a successful career from the NBA to NFL?
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Right? Them dudes is huge, They're tall, bro Polo. I
went to the Magic playoff game man and I took
a picture. But I'm big, right, you know. I took
a picture about this dude. This dude is mass tall.
How do you play?
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Like?
Speaker 2 (36:11):
What do you play? Would you play? You play tight end?
Speaker 1 (36:14):
You're dying, You're you're getting her, You're dying. You can't
you can't run over the middle. But it's over. It's
over anything six seven and above you at tight end,
you're just a red zone threat or your your career
is over.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Them boys not playing receiver, right, the boys not playing running?
But who playing running back?
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Look? I see I see basketball players like like run
routes and they look like Buddy off of off of
American whatever, bro, And I'm like, like, it's it's just
be upset, like, man, I really got it like that.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
But guys can really hoop like we got hooping. We
got there's some people in the in the NFL that
can really holp like and we the same size as them,
something somewhat to threes. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
We got a lot of fire one two threes for sure.
Translatable for I'm not gonna lie to you. There's not
twenty guys that are six eight and above.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
And Trayvon shout out to Trey. Trey's a dog. He's
a whole. Yes, Travon Walker, He's a dog like dog
in the post. Yeah, you know, I used to be
trying to hate because like but then I'm really watching
like damn, I got it, damn like big body like
(37:33):
and it looked good too, bro, real smooth, okayes.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Who's the Who's the h last? What I have for
you is is who's the best dresser on your team?
Best dressed game? They fits in and out, not just
not just oh he was killing them one week consistency.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
We got a couple of guys. We had a couple
of guys. Can I put myself in it? You can
if you think if you can definitely put myself on there.
You know, I'm more of a classical you know, if
you know, you know type of dude, you know, but
looking really clean. We got Roy who wears like a
lot of colorful, you know, suits and who can really
put it together. Big Roy, Big Roy. And you got
(38:10):
got Cisco, Roy Robinson, Robinson Harris, Yeah, you got him.
And then you got Andre Cisco, who's more of the
you know, the the uh retro or more up to
date fashion trends. He come out with some stuff I like, uh, Kurt.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Kurt Kirk is like five. Now that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
I'll be good one hundred ten pounds Okay. He used
to fit everything, thank you. Okay, Just like I say
that with shoe sizes, like, dude, man, you can't cut
to me on the you wear thirteen, dude, I can't
wear those dudes.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
I gotta see.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
I gotta win my Zenians dogs just to wear black sneakers.
You know what I'm saying. I got the Gucci, I
got I got I got wear Zena shoes, right, But
it's all for the big guys.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Bro, Like, it gets hard, it gets hard to drip,
and yet we find the way. You don't say drip,
don't drown.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
No, what's the hair do this year? Bro?
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Man, I'm just too stranding up, bro, I'm just just
saying light. I've been I've been playoff list for for
like three years. I'm focused in. I might even chop
it all off, just like I could kill all maintenance work.
But I'm I'm focused in. I'm locked in. We're gonna
make it real simple. I was gonna have fun with it.
I was like, bro, like three years of no playoffs,
you don't get to have fun. I need to win
a super Bowl, like I've got. I got two years
(39:22):
left in this thing. You know, congratulations too, they just
get paid.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
No, that's just an extension, bro, Like yeah, congratulations though.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
I'm just like, give me a Year fifteen. Man, we
just slide in.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Congratulations on that too, but put the same franchise. It's tough,
you know. I'm trying to be right behind.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Year fourteen coming in doing a super Bowl. I said,
hopefully I'll see you there, yescause I'm being that thing, yes, sir,
but appreciate you jumping on the pod. Shout out to
everybody who has made you the man that you are today,
because clearly you got your head on the right way.
And I just want to say thank you for stopping
by off the edge with me and your host Cam
(40:05):
j Hey, I just like looking back at him to
look back at you, to look back at him.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Appreciate you bro always brother, Appreciate you having me on
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