November 17, 2024 • 16 mins
Team insiders Ryan Mink and Garrett Downing break down the Ravens' 18-16 loss to the Steelers, including a rough day for the offense, the concern level with Justin Tucker, and a rebound day from the defense.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm Ryan in here with Garrett Downing and we are
going to give you our breakdown from the Ravens eighteen
to sixteen loss here in Pittsburgh. Tough loss for the
Ravens in a game where you know, it just feels
like the Ravens haven't been able to put it together
on both sides of the ball, right. The defense plays better,
the offense struggles against the Steelers, and it felt like
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just another Ravens Steelers game that goes the wrong way, right,
Like this is the script for the Steelers to beat
the Ravens, and it just they just seem to bring
out kind of the worst in the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
It feels like, Yeah, I think when you go back
and look at the Steelers have now won eight of
the last nine against the Ravens, and when you look
at that those games, a through line is that the
Ravens have hurt themselves in a lot of these situations.
And you look at this game. The Ravens turned them
all over three times. They fumbled on the second play
of the game, they missed two field goals, missed some
open wide receivers. You have a play that looks like
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a shared catch that turns out to be an interception. Penalties,
of course, how can I leave that one out? And
so you have you basically.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Have you have.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
You have turnovers, penalties, special teams, miscues, and then some
not being as sharp as you could be in certain situations.
All those things combined to a game where you don't
give up a touchdown, but you still lose.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
The fact of the matter is, the Steelers have made
the Ravens play on their terms too often in this
rivalry in recent years, and they did so once again today.
This was the Steelers blueprint, right. They keep the game close.
It's a kind of a defensive slug fest. They make
you make mistakes, you make self inflicted mistakes, they turn
the ball over.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
It's just it feels like I've watched.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
This game too many times now, and it's a tough one.
The Ravens have to figure out a way to get
over this hurdle when it comes to Pittsburgh, because you know,
I also to a degree, I think, yes, the Ravens
hurt themselves the penalties, the turnovers and all these things,
but the Steelers, the Steelers defense just beat them just
beat the Ravens offense, like you can't just take it
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away from the Steelers defense. On the the other hand,
either right, it wasn't like the Ravens other than the
penalties were clicking by any means. Offensively, they were out
of sorts. They had no rhythm throughout the whole game.
They hit a few chunk plays. That was about it.
I mean, the defense just flat out beat the Ravens offense.
They met their match today, this high scoring number one
in the league offense.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
When you talk about turnovers too, like those were not
plays that were just gifted to the Steelers. You have
Patrick Queen, for example, forced that turnover on Isaiah likely
he ripped that ball out that he popped on it,
you know, so like that he gets credit for that play.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
The turnover. The interception was.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
A ridiculous It was a ridiculous play and there's a
little bit of flukiness evolved in that. But the defender
made a great play on that to be able to
put his hand up there and then he came down
with the football when they were wrestling around with it
on the ground like that was a great play by
the linebacker and so like, yes, you can say, oh,
we shot ourselves on the foot, but those are also
the Steelers making plays in those situations. So I think
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that's I think that's a fair point. It was interesting
in terms of the offense and we talk about them
being out of sorts all game, like what was it was?
What were the Steelers doing to make it difficult? And
the common theme and hearing from the Ravens, both John
Harbaugh and Lamar Jackson, they pointed to the penalties and
shooting themselves in the foot and finding themselves in these situations,
whether in second and fifteen or first in twenty and
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they're starting at their own fifteen yard line because of
a special team's penalty. Basically, the penalties just put them
in bad situations and that's really what they felt like,
got this offense out of sorts.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I think there's a degree of that, but that's not
the only thing. I think that there's too much pressure.
I think, you know, Lamar, again, the narrative of Lamar's
struggles against the Steelers is going to continue. You know,
this was I think probably not it was not his
sharpest game when sixteen to thirty three, in part because
he was pressured so much. And look the guy made
some spectacular throws in the fourth quarter and made something
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out of nothing, one of which was dropped, you know,
another one wiped out by penalties. You know, I mean
he kind of willed them back into this game in
the fourth quarter. But two any missed opportunities early in
this game, you know, fades, things like that, overthrows, and
you know, to his credit, he was only sacked twice.
Ran his way out of a lot of those sacks,
but he was under pressure a lot. And the Ravens
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the rape. The fact of the matter is the Ravens
just really did not have many answers for the Steelers. So, yes,
the penalty is putting them behind the chains and first down,
second down.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
That hurt. That was not the only thing that hurt.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Yeah, And in the turnovers where you have you opened
the game. The second play of the game, Derrick Hennery,
who's about a surehand as you can get as running back,
coughs it up.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
It kind of it kind of set the tone.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Now, Lamar made the point that like, now we brushed
that thing off, it didn't really affect us. But I
think that the narrative that exists when these two teams
play you're like, oh, here you go, this is this
is a script. This is not the way you want
to start that game. And and then and then the
turnover right before halftime. Those are two situations where big
turnovers by the offense, and then the Steeler converted those
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into six points on short fields.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
And so the defense, as.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
We're going to talk about, the defense probably had its
best game of the season, but on those six points
came on short fields, and the offense just put them
in a really difficult position and turn it over twice there.
And that's part of why the offense just wasn't able
to able to have success. I mean, Henry's happened on
the second drive of the game. The Isaiah likely play.
The Isaiah likely fumble happened on the first play of
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that drive. And so you have these drives that are just.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
The second drive of the game. It was the second play.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Yeah, Henry Henry second play of the game.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
And then and then the Isaiah likely fumble happened on
the first play of that drive. So you have two
drives to just immediately end with turnovers, right, that's not.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
The had plenty of drives to make something happen. The
defense gave them many chances, and so they just didn't
have the answers point blank. I mean, comes down to
a two point conversion, where again they didn't have the answer, right.
I mean, they end up running the ball to run
left with Lamar just a quarterback keeper right. It wasn't
an r p O, just a quarterback run to the left,
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and blown up in the backfield basically forced him backwards
and that kind of threw off the whole timing of
the play, the blocks of the play, and he ended
up having to just kind of try to fling it
to make something happen. But that play just got blew up,
blown up by the Steelers.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
I mean that him playing it was kind of almost
like a fubble Rooski.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
It's just.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
There was no throw option there. It was run all
the way completely and they just blew it up in
the backfield. Get the block, got inside Nelly Lamar had to.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Cut it back a little bit, got pushed back a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Linderbaum then couldn't get across for his block, and Pat
McCarey couldn't get pool and get their blocks.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
And that's all she wrote. It's a shame they had it.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
They had to run to the right, called up and
the Steelers were granted the timeout. Just I guess as
the ball was snapped and uh uh so the Steelers
got a free look at that at what their play
number one was, and then the Ravens had to go
with play number two basically and it was another Lamar
run but it didn't work out.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Yeah, you know, I just I go back to just
big picture wise, this game just felt like this is
Ravens Steelers. The Ravens offense has been so good this year,
and then all of a sudden you get in the
situation where they're playing the Steelers and the offense is
out of sorts, and you're like, wait, what what is this?
And it's and it's the in both teams. I mean,
the Steelers didn't score touchdown. The Steelers got had their
entire offense was Chris Bossel. He had eighteen points today
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and they didn't score touchdown. It just felt like the
old adages, the cliches, these two hard news teams is
gonna be a lot of defense in this game. I
kind of felt like that was not gonna be the
case in this game, Like that's that's old school, that's
that's nineteen ninety four or ninety four ninety.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Six year existence exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
That's old.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
That's that's the old Ravens Steelers rivalry. I didn't expect
that to be the case in this game.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
But it was.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
It was a defensive slug fest where neither offense was
really moving the ball consistently and play and the Steelers
had a big play and they came up with the
turnovers and they just made life really difficult on this
Ravens offense.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Absolutely, I mean this is what it looks like when
it's a one sided rivalry, right, Like the Steelers have
made the Ravens play to their kind of game, like
I said before too many times now, and they made
him play it again today, right. They took their offense,
got them off off the tracks. They got them, you know.
Marlon Humphrey said he was more emotional than he's ever
been in the game today. It was super chippy. They
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were full on scrums breaking out. Patrick Queen spent the
whole game yap in it Ravens players, and credit to him.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
He had a great game.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Let him in tackles, had a huge force fumble like
the Steelers. They forced the Ravens into the worst version
of themselves than they play, and it's going to be
hard for the Ravens to get where they want to
go unless they fix that.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
They they got to get over that.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, Lamar made an interesting point, and you know, broadly
speaking and feeling like this team has beaten itselves in
some really big games and moments of situations, and he said,
he goes back to the AFC Championship game last year
against Chiefs, goes back to the season opener against the Chiefs,
the Raiders, the Browns again today, basically feeling like this
team when they lose, they beat themselves, and how do
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you avoid that. I'd think that that's kind of a
complicated answer, Like I don't think there's one fix for
how do you not beat yourself? And I don't I
think it's more technical than it is emotional thing.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
In part, you beat yourself when you're getting beat, right,
I mean the Steelers defense is beating them. Yeah, and
that's when you get holding penalties and you get some
of those things.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
When you get beat you beat yourselves.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
In part.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
That's why they beat themselves against good teams jeeves, you know.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
But yeah, there's validity to that there's literity to that.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah. So now are the things that can clean up?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yes, there's some like you know, Pat McCarey wandering up
field and an eligible receiver downfield or an eligible block
or whatever. You know, when he's just kind of wandering,
he's out of the play and he's just kind of
lost track of where he was. Like, yeah, that stuff
you clean up. But some of the holding penalties is
because you're getting beat.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
So.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
You know, it's a tough loss.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I mean, I think obviously a big talking point coming
out of this is justin Tucker. The two misses proved
to be huge, you know, especially on a day when
their kicker chrisp Oswal sink six.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Yeah, six or six including some long ones too, over fifty.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Correct, and so you know, where are you at on
Tucker And how concerned are you? Is it panic button time?
Speaker 1 (10:13):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Right?
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Well, he missed forty seven and fifty and then he
did come back and hit a fifty four yard or so.
I thought that was really big for him come back,
and I mean it was big in the game, and
I thought it was big mentally emotionally. We did talk
with him after the game and he did. To me,
it did not sound like somebody who's lost his confidence.
He talked about it from a technical standpoint and said,
on that last kick they did make an adjustment for
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from a swing standpoint where he was aiming all.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Not a swing standpoint, but just where he was Basically,
he's like, they keep going left, so I'm going to
aim further right. It was like the most like Layman's
explanation of it, like this is what a fan at
home would be like if he just left aim right further.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
That's what he did.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Well, it's like it's weird because he's basically like, they
don't know why he keeps going left.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
A year again, it just keeps going left.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
I'm going to aim for the right, and he's sat
that time and he said that there's no consistent theme
as to why in his mind, why all of them
have gone left, even though every miss he's had has
been wide left this year.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Right. I mean, let's not kid ourselves, like Justin Tucker,
as much as we call him at automat Tuck right
like he's human.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
And yes, he said, I'm confident.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
I'm gonna make every kick from here on out, But
he's a person right, Like, you'd have a tough time
convincing me that, like, even for somebody that's had as
much success as him, this many of misses he's had
six on the season seven if he include the extra
point miss that he had last week, that's more than
he had all last season seven misses period. If you're
just saying, including the extra point is ties his career high? Yeah, right,
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And you'd be hard pressed to convince me that Justin
Tucker doesn't have something. It's tough mentally for somebody like him,
that there's a little bit of a hurdle that he
needs to get over at this point.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Yeah, there's probably truth in that.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
He's not going to say that, right, He's gonna say,
I'm confident.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
You have to be you have to be and you
keep working and and you have to approach every kick
one at a time. That's what That's what it's made him,
you know, as good as he is, right, the best,
the goat that we've called him all these years, right,
And like, can he pull out of this?
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Yeah? He can.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I don't think like Justin Tucker is you know, broken,
but I think he's hurting right now and he needs
to make some kicks and figure out why he keeps
pulling this thing left.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Yeah, I think it just comes down to the fact
that he needs to make him Like there's I do
think that from a game situation standpoint, there could be
future games where you have a decision to make, like
where in previous years you might say, okay, hey, fifty
six yard or no problem, just go ahead and said
Tucker out for that. I think that that no problem
will send him out there.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
You can drill that. That has changed.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I think in shorter yards just yeah, if you're looking
to fourth and three and it's a fifty seven yard
field goal, you might say, I'm going for it, yeah,
and you're not going to you know, it's a fourth
and fourth and four, you're not, of course, right, but like, yeah,
I think it could make them a little bit more
aggressive on offense.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
And so I do think that, Like I'll be honest,
if it was going.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
If if Tucker had lined up for a game winner,
if they had gotten that ball back, I would have
had confidence that he's going to make it. I still
think in high pressure, clutch situations he can drill those
kicks and make those kicks. So I still believe in
that but I do think that he's going to have
to overcome this hurdle, and so that's what he's going
to go to work on. All Right, we'll take a
quick break. When we come back, we'll give you our
final thoughts on this game. You're listening to the Ravens
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had the best, their best game of the season. They
don't give up a touchdown. The pass rush was really
bringing a lot of heat on Russell Wilson, lib By A. Dafeoway,
who had three sacks, should have had a fourth on
a play that didn't end up counting, but ends up
having three sacks in this game. And the defense they
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had a day and it's disappointing that the Raves aren't
able to get a win on a day where the defense, Wait,
they took a half.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Sack away from Oway. He got it on the statue here.
They got him with two and a half. Steve a
half sack.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Initially, that's cool, should have had four, and he just
keeps going down.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
That is cold.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
So it goes I guess two and a half.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
But disappointing to have that kind of showing for the
defense and then not able to get to win. But
it's positive that the defense did have a good game.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
That's correct.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
It's just frustrating that, like the Ravens have really only
put it together on both sides of the ball at
the same time in one game this year against the Bills,
you know, every other game it's like one side struggling
and they just you know, I still believe that this
team has the talent, it has the players and everything
that like, when they put it together on both sides,
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I think they can beat anybody and not even it
be a runaway. Like, when they put it together on
both sides, they're gonna be impossible. I shouldn't say impossible,
very tough to beat.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
But they haven't done it right now.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
The good news is, like the offense has really been
stymy by the Steelers defense these past years. But that's
a bit about it, right, Like, so I have confidence
that this offense is going to turn things around quickly.
It's The great news is like, defensively, it's been a
trend of issues and I thought that have they turned
a corner or was this a turning point in the
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defense's season potentially, So I think part of it is
gonna is Roquan Smith hurt. Well, yeah, it just suffered
a hamstring injury.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah, Rokwon had a hamstring injury. Did not return. No
update on his status. The Ravens also did make some
changes in the secondary. Our Darius Washington stepped in for
Marcus Williams and played that safety that safety position. Also,
Kyle Hamilton played a little bit more deep safety than
he had previously, and they will see the final snap count,
but Nate Wiggs was out there a lot and that
a looted Morelin Humphrey to play in the slide at times,
and so I think that I think that inserting our
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Darius Washington and having Kyle Hamilton play a little bit
more traditional safety may have been part of the recipe
for this team. Marlon of course, had a pick in
this game, so it was encouraging to see this from
the defense. We'll see if they're able to continue off
of this, but I think it was a good step.
It was a step in the right direction for this defense.
And then also I like by this soft from Tredevious White,
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his first game as a Raven, broke up a couple
passes in the end zone, which was good to see
from him, and I think he's only gonna to me.
He showed this guy should be on the field and
his snapshare could increase in future weeks.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yep, definitely, Ravens fall to seven and four. They have
the LA Chargers up next on Monday Night Football, little
extra rest after a physical.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Game here against the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Ravens are still in good position when it comes to
making the playoffs, but now they have a one and
a half game deficit to overcome with the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Hey, we still get to play them at Mton Banks Stadiums.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Still time, still plenty of times. So this one stings,
But Ravens fans will be bound. We'll be back with
you next week and we'll bounce back.
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm Ryan in here with Garrett Downing and we are
going to give you our breakdown from the Ravens eighteen
to sixteen loss here in Pittsburgh. Tough loss for the
Ravens in a game where you know, it just feels
like the Ravens haven't been able to put it together
on both sides of the ball, right. The defense plays better,
the offense struggles against the Steelers, and it felt like
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just another Ravens Steelers game that goes the wrong way, right,
Like this is the script for the Steelers to beat
the Ravens, and it just they just seem to bring
out kind of the worst in the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
It feels like, Yeah, I think when you go back
and look at the Steelers have now won eight of
the last nine against the Ravens, and when you look
at that those games, a through line is that the
Ravens have hurt themselves in a lot of these situations.
And you look at this game. The Ravens turned them
all over three times. They fumbled on the second play
of the game, they missed two field goals, missed some
open wide receivers. You have a play that looks like
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a shared catch that turns out to be an interception. Penalties,
of course, how can I leave that one out? And
so you have you basically.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Have you have.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
You have turnovers, penalties, special teams, miscues, and then some
not being as sharp as you could be in certain situations.
All those things combined to a game where you don't
give up a touchdown, but you still lose.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
The fact of the matter is, the Steelers have made
the Ravens play on their terms too often in this
rivalry in recent years, and they did so once again today.
This was the Steelers blueprint, right. They keep the game close.
It's a kind of a defensive slug fest. They make
you make mistakes, you make self inflicted mistakes, they turn
the ball over.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
It's just it feels like I've watched.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
This game too many times now, and it's a tough one.
The Ravens have to figure out a way to get
over this hurdle when it comes to Pittsburgh, because you know,
I also to a degree, I think, yes, the Ravens
hurt themselves the penalties, the turnovers and all these things,
but the Steelers, the Steelers defense just beat them just
beat the Ravens offense, like you can't just take it
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away from the Steelers defense. On the the other hand,
either right, it wasn't like the Ravens other than the
penalties were clicking by any means. Offensively, they were out
of sorts. They had no rhythm throughout the whole game.
They hit a few chunk plays. That was about it.
I mean, the defense just flat out beat the Ravens offense.
They met their match today, this high scoring number one
in the league offense.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
When you talk about turnovers too, like those were not
plays that were just gifted to the Steelers. You have
Patrick Queen, for example, forced that turnover on Isaiah likely
he ripped that ball out that he popped on it,
you know, so like that he gets credit for that play.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
The turnover. The interception was.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
A ridiculous It was a ridiculous play and there's a
little bit of flukiness evolved in that. But the defender
made a great play on that to be able to
put his hand up there and then he came down
with the football when they were wrestling around with it
on the ground like that was a great play by
the linebacker and so like, yes, you can say, oh,
we shot ourselves on the foot, but those are also
the Steelers making plays in those situations. So I think
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that's I think that's a fair point. It was interesting
in terms of the offense and we talk about them
being out of sorts all game, like what was it was?
What were the Steelers doing to make it difficult? And
the common theme and hearing from the Ravens, both John
Harbaugh and Lamar Jackson, they pointed to the penalties and
shooting themselves in the foot and finding themselves in these situations,
whether in second and fifteen or first in twenty and
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they're starting at their own fifteen yard line because of
a special team's penalty. Basically, the penalties just put them
in bad situations and that's really what they felt like,
got this offense out of sorts.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I think there's a degree of that, but that's not
the only thing. I think that there's too much pressure.
I think, you know, Lamar, again, the narrative of Lamar's
struggles against the Steelers is going to continue. You know,
this was I think probably not it was not his
sharpest game when sixteen to thirty three, in part because
he was pressured so much. And look the guy made
some spectacular throws in the fourth quarter and made something
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out of nothing, one of which was dropped, you know,
another one wiped out by penalties. You know, I mean
he kind of willed them back into this game in
the fourth quarter. But two any missed opportunities early in
this game, you know, fades, things like that, overthrows, and
you know, to his credit, he was only sacked twice.
Ran his way out of a lot of those sacks,
but he was under pressure a lot. And the Ravens
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the rape. The fact of the matter is the Ravens
just really did not have many answers for the Steelers. So, yes,
the penalty is putting them behind the chains and first down,
second down.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
That hurt. That was not the only thing that hurt.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Yeah, And in the turnovers where you have you opened
the game. The second play of the game, Derrick Hennery,
who's about a surehand as you can get as running back,
coughs it up.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
It kind of it kind of set the tone.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Now, Lamar made the point that like, now we brushed
that thing off, it didn't really affect us. But I
think that the narrative that exists when these two teams
play you're like, oh, here you go, this is this
is a script. This is not the way you want
to start that game. And and then and then the
turnover right before halftime. Those are two situations where big
turnovers by the offense, and then the Steeler converted those
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into six points on short fields.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
And so the defense, as.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
We're going to talk about, the defense probably had its
best game of the season, but on those six points
came on short fields, and the offense just put them
in a really difficult position and turn it over twice there.
And that's part of why the offense just wasn't able
to able to have success. I mean, Henry's happened on
the second drive of the game. The Isaiah likely play.
The Isaiah likely fumble happened on the first play of
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that drive. And so you have these drives that are just.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
The second drive of the game. It was the second play.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Yeah, Henry Henry second play of the game.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
And then and then the Isaiah likely fumble happened on
the first play of that drive. So you have two
drives to just immediately end with turnovers, right, that's not.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
The had plenty of drives to make something happen. The
defense gave them many chances, and so they just didn't
have the answers point blank. I mean, comes down to
a two point conversion, where again they didn't have the answer, right.
I mean, they end up running the ball to run
left with Lamar just a quarterback keeper right. It wasn't
an r p O, just a quarterback run to the left,
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and blown up in the backfield basically forced him backwards
and that kind of threw off the whole timing of
the play, the blocks of the play, and he ended
up having to just kind of try to fling it
to make something happen. But that play just got blew up,
blown up by the Steelers.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
I mean that him playing it was kind of almost
like a fubble Rooski.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
It's just.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
There was no throw option there. It was run all
the way completely and they just blew it up in
the backfield. Get the block, got inside Nelly Lamar had to.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Cut it back a little bit, got pushed back a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Linderbaum then couldn't get across for his block, and Pat
McCarey couldn't get pool and get their blocks.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
And that's all she wrote. It's a shame they had it.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
They had to run to the right, called up and
the Steelers were granted the timeout. Just I guess as
the ball was snapped and uh uh so the Steelers
got a free look at that at what their play
number one was, and then the Ravens had to go
with play number two basically and it was another Lamar
run but it didn't work out.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Yeah, you know, I just I go back to just
big picture wise, this game just felt like this is
Ravens Steelers. The Ravens offense has been so good this year,
and then all of a sudden you get in the
situation where they're playing the Steelers and the offense is
out of sorts, and you're like, wait, what what is this?
And it's and it's the in both teams. I mean,
the Steelers didn't score touchdown. The Steelers got had their
entire offense was Chris Bossel. He had eighteen points today
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and they didn't score touchdown. It just felt like the
old adages, the cliches, these two hard news teams is
gonna be a lot of defense in this game. I
kind of felt like that was not gonna be the
case in this game, Like that's that's old school, that's
that's nineteen ninety four or ninety four ninety.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Six year existence exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
That's old.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
That's that's the old Ravens Steelers rivalry. I didn't expect
that to be the case in this game.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
But it was.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
It was a defensive slug fest where neither offense was
really moving the ball consistently and play and the Steelers
had a big play and they came up with the
turnovers and they just made life really difficult on this
Ravens offense.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Absolutely, I mean this is what it looks like when
it's a one sided rivalry, right, Like the Steelers have
made the Ravens play to their kind of game, like
I said before too many times now, and they made
him play it again today, right. They took their offense,
got them off off the tracks. They got them, you know.
Marlon Humphrey said he was more emotional than he's ever
been in the game today. It was super chippy. They
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were full on scrums breaking out. Patrick Queen spent the
whole game yap in it Ravens players, and credit to him.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
He had a great game.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Let him in tackles, had a huge force fumble like
the Steelers. They forced the Ravens into the worst version
of themselves than they play, and it's going to be
hard for the Ravens to get where they want to
go unless they fix that.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
They they got to get over that.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, Lamar made an interesting point, and you know, broadly
speaking and feeling like this team has beaten itselves in
some really big games and moments of situations, and he said,
he goes back to the AFC Championship game last year
against Chiefs, goes back to the season opener against the Chiefs,
the Raiders, the Browns again today, basically feeling like this
team when they lose, they beat themselves, and how do
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you avoid that. I'd think that that's kind of a
complicated answer, Like I don't think there's one fix for
how do you not beat yourself? And I don't I
think it's more technical than it is emotional thing.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
In part, you beat yourself when you're getting beat, right,
I mean the Steelers defense is beating them. Yeah, and
that's when you get holding penalties and you get some
of those things.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
When you get beat you beat yourselves.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
In part.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
That's why they beat themselves against good teams jeeves, you know.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
But yeah, there's validity to that there's literity to that.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah. So now are the things that can clean up?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yes, there's some like you know, Pat McCarey wandering up
field and an eligible receiver downfield or an eligible block
or whatever. You know, when he's just kind of wandering,
he's out of the play and he's just kind of
lost track of where he was. Like, yeah, that stuff
you clean up. But some of the holding penalties is
because you're getting beat.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
So.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
You know, it's a tough loss.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I mean, I think obviously a big talking point coming
out of this is justin Tucker. The two misses proved
to be huge, you know, especially on a day when
their kicker chrisp Oswal sink six.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Yeah, six or six including some long ones too, over fifty.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Correct, and so you know, where are you at on
Tucker And how concerned are you? Is it panic button time?
Speaker 1 (10:13):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Right?
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Well, he missed forty seven and fifty and then he
did come back and hit a fifty four yard or so.
I thought that was really big for him come back,
and I mean it was big in the game, and
I thought it was big mentally emotionally. We did talk
with him after the game and he did. To me,
it did not sound like somebody who's lost his confidence.
He talked about it from a technical standpoint and said,
on that last kick they did make an adjustment for
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from a swing standpoint where he was aiming all.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Not a swing standpoint, but just where he was Basically,
he's like, they keep going left, so I'm going to
aim further right. It was like the most like Layman's
explanation of it, like this is what a fan at
home would be like if he just left aim right further.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
That's what he did.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Well, it's like it's weird because he's basically like, they
don't know why he keeps going left.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
A year again, it just keeps going left.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
I'm going to aim for the right, and he's sat
that time and he said that there's no consistent theme
as to why in his mind, why all of them
have gone left, even though every miss he's had has
been wide left this year.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Right. I mean, let's not kid ourselves, like Justin Tucker,
as much as we call him at automat Tuck right
like he's human.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
And yes, he said, I'm confident.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
I'm gonna make every kick from here on out, But
he's a person right, Like, you'd have a tough time
convincing me that, like, even for somebody that's had as
much success as him, this many of misses he's had
six on the season seven if he include the extra
point miss that he had last week, that's more than
he had all last season seven misses period. If you're
just saying, including the extra point is ties his career high? Yeah, right,
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And you'd be hard pressed to convince me that Justin
Tucker doesn't have something. It's tough mentally for somebody like him,
that there's a little bit of a hurdle that he
needs to get over at this point.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Yeah, there's probably truth in that.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
He's not going to say that, right, He's gonna say,
I'm confident.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
You have to be you have to be and you
keep working and and you have to approach every kick
one at a time. That's what That's what it's made him,
you know, as good as he is, right, the best,
the goat that we've called him all these years, right,
And like, can he pull out of this?
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Yeah? He can.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I don't think like Justin Tucker is you know, broken,
but I think he's hurting right now and he needs
to make some kicks and figure out why he keeps
pulling this thing left.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Yeah, I think it just comes down to the fact
that he needs to make him Like there's I do
think that from a game situation standpoint, there could be
future games where you have a decision to make, like
where in previous years you might say, okay, hey, fifty
six yard or no problem, just go ahead and said
Tucker out for that. I think that that no problem
will send him out there.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
You can drill that. That has changed.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I think in shorter yards just yeah, if you're looking
to fourth and three and it's a fifty seven yard
field goal, you might say, I'm going for it, yeah,
and you're not going to you know, it's a fourth
and fourth and four, you're not, of course, right, but like, yeah,
I think it could make them a little bit more
aggressive on offense.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
And so I do think that, Like I'll be honest,
if it was going.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
If if Tucker had lined up for a game winner,
if they had gotten that ball back, I would have
had confidence that he's going to make it. I still
think in high pressure, clutch situations he can drill those
kicks and make those kicks. So I still believe in
that but I do think that he's going to have
to overcome this hurdle, and so that's what he's going
to go to work on. All Right, we'll take a
quick break. When we come back, we'll give you our
final thoughts on this game. You're listening to the Ravens
Lone podcast. We are coming chief from the Sea Geek Studio.
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had the best, their best game of the season. They
don't give up a touchdown. The pass rush was really
bringing a lot of heat on Russell Wilson, lib By A. Dafeoway,
who had three sacks, should have had a fourth on
a play that didn't end up counting, but ends up
having three sacks in this game. And the defense they
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had a day and it's disappointing that the Raves aren't
able to get a win on a day where the defense, Wait,
they took a half.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Sack away from Oway. He got it on the statue here.
They got him with two and a half. Steve a
half sack.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Initially, that's cool, should have had four, and he just
keeps going down.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
That is cold.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
So it goes I guess two and a half.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
But disappointing to have that kind of showing for the
defense and then not able to get to win. But
it's positive that the defense did have a good game.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
That's correct.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
It's just frustrating that, like the Ravens have really only
put it together on both sides of the ball at
the same time in one game this year against the Bills,
you know, every other game it's like one side struggling
and they just you know, I still believe that this
team has the talent, it has the players and everything
that like, when they put it together on both sides,
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I think they can beat anybody and not even it
be a runaway. Like, when they put it together on
both sides, they're gonna be impossible. I shouldn't say impossible,
very tough to beat.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
But they haven't done it right now.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
The good news is, like the offense has really been
stymy by the Steelers defense these past years. But that's
a bit about it, right, Like, so I have confidence
that this offense is going to turn things around quickly.
It's The great news is like, defensively, it's been a
trend of issues and I thought that have they turned
a corner or was this a turning point in the
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defense's season potentially, So I think part of it is
gonna is Roquan Smith hurt. Well, yeah, it just suffered
a hamstring injury.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah, Rokwon had a hamstring injury. Did not return. No
update on his status. The Ravens also did make some
changes in the secondary. Our Darius Washington stepped in for
Marcus Williams and played that safety that safety position. Also,
Kyle Hamilton played a little bit more deep safety than
he had previously, and they will see the final snap count,
but Nate Wiggs was out there a lot and that
a looted Morelin Humphrey to play in the slide at times,
and so I think that I think that inserting our
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Darius Washington and having Kyle Hamilton play a little bit
more traditional safety may have been part of the recipe
for this team. Marlon of course, had a pick in
this game, so it was encouraging to see this from
the defense. We'll see if they're able to continue off
of this, but I think it was a good step.
It was a step in the right direction for this defense.
And then also I like by this soft from Tredevious White,
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his first game as a Raven, broke up a couple
passes in the end zone, which was good to see
from him, and I think he's only gonna to me.
He showed this guy should be on the field and
his snapshare could increase in future weeks.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yep, definitely, Ravens fall to seven and four. They have
the LA Chargers up next on Monday Night Football, little
extra rest after a physical.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Game here against the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Ravens are still in good position when it comes to
making the playoffs, but now they have a one and
a half game deficit to overcome with the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Hey, we still get to play them at Mton Banks Stadiums.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Still time, still plenty of times. So this one stings,
But Ravens fans will be bound. We'll be back with
you next week and we'll bounce back.
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