REP: Best of The Rich Eisen Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Rich Podcast, Starry Chris Bruckman. When it
comes to determining the favorite team of your kids, your
kids really don't have free will unless they're actively rebelling

(00:21):
against you. But you know what, I really didn't like
my dad, So I started rooting for the Dodgers. Chris Law,
Joe Phi, Joe Pesci, Joe Peshi, Martini in and free all.
And it was a hot day, so I went to
hydrate myself at the at the bar and he walks
up with his Martini. Barrett, Barrett, they tell you the
strangers for me? There, He goes, yes, Mr Peshi. He goes,

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it's funing awful, make eye contact. I keep looking forward.
I just don't know what to do. And then he
looks at me and he goes Beard, and here is
your host, Riches. And that is so incredible. Welcome to

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the Rich Eyes and Podcast No No Rich Eyes. And
today we're taking Rich Eyen the two Chris is myself,
Brockman Law behind the Glass. We're kind of taking over
this week Riches um bowling out and so we're doing
a little bit different. Well, we're gonna do a best
of Yeah, I thought it would be a good idea
if we put together. You know, we've had so many
good episodes over the three and a half, actually almost four,

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almost too many to count the podcast. So I went back.
I cut up a couple of short sound bites, you know,
stuff from thirty seconds to a minute and a half,
and you dipped away back into the archives, way back.
We went back as far back actually the dates on
everything as well. In case you you like a little
excerpt of what you heard, you can almost always go
back and and then downloaded. I think that we go

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as far back is September twenty, two thousand eleven, which
we'll get to that one in a second, but before
we do, to quick shout out that open came courtesy
of Ivan Nietzschevich. From where was he from? From Sweden? Well,
there's no doubt you screwed up his name. That that
open is is just just beyond beyond epic. I think

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we're definitely gonna be talking about that, you know, thirty
years from now. Yeah. I love the open, the way
it's cut. It makes you sound like you don't like
your dad. And I say the F word twice in
the open, right, And the funny thing is it makes
me seem like I'm a Giants fan, which I'm not.
If you listen to this show, I'm a Red Sox fan.
And so in that analogy, I would have said, like,

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my dad doesn't even like baseball. Yeah, so, but I
was just using it was Colin Hanks here that day
or what were we talking about? I think it was whenever.
It was actually when I was gone. I think that's
when I was in New York for a site service.
Rich was we're talking about richest kids. Yeah. Rich was
talking about Zanders being on the Red Sox for his
t ball team, and Rich was really worried. Rich was

(02:58):
really worried that Xander's going to grow up not liking
the Yankees, which is Riches Riches team. His whole family
is from Boston and has gave Xander tons of tons
of Red Sox gear growing up. That's really funny. Yeah,
I just like that. I have top billing. I'm like
Peter Dinklin, have I have the first first name on

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the well? After Rich got scored. We'll steer clear of
any spoilers, but what an episode? Oh what Rich got
scolded for? What? You know? People people saying spoiler this
spoiler that you can't be talking about it. Oh yeah,
I guess we we won't talk about it. But this
week's Game of Thrones was fantastic. Two left can't wait. Usually, uh,

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in this show and other shows of recent years, the
big thing happens in the penultimate episode, and I think
we're finally going to get the trial by combat coming
up uh in two weeks. No episode of Game of
Thrones this week for Memorial Day weekend, which is a
major bummer, but just a little NFL tie into Game
of Game of Thrones. The character of the Mountain was

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introduced last week, and the Mountain has been around since
season one, but he's been played now by three different actors. Yeah.
The guy that's the latest actor playing the mountain six
ft nine. He's a mountain. He's so giant. The guy's
last name is or his name is Thordson And apparently

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the Colts looked at him last year for a tryout
for the team, said they opt for Trent Richardson. How
how do you not sign that guy? His his instagram,
um Dan hansis around the league wrote a little article
and uh, they linked back to his instagram and the
man is just he's like Magnus. Magnus is right. You

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thought Vince will Fork was a run stopper in the middle.
This guy is nine inches taller and has sixty more
pounds on his frame than Vince Wilfork in sat Some
other news just kind of around the league. The big
the big story of the day obviously a Super Bowl
UH two going to Super Bowl fifty two in Minneapolis.
Speaking of the North, if you build it, they will come.

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Build a stadium, get a super Bowl. That seems to
be uh that seems to be the thing. Other folks
down on nine could certainly use that, because there's no
reason that San Diego shouldn't be in the road. Yeah, absolutely,
other than the old stadium. A lot of people tweeting
out Farmers Almernac links to average weather in mid February
or early February Minneapolis. Uh, I saw a lot of negatives.

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We saw a lot of that with the New York
Super Bowl, and look at it was Minneapolis in February
and the game's indoor. I mean, look, I went to
my first of all working for the league was going
to the one in indian Indianapolis, and I had a
tremendous experience that that the downtown city was so close together,
which we know every year from combine. Well, the great
part about Indianapolis is everything is connected by the walkways.

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You don't even really have to go outside if if
you don't want to. But uh so that that puts
it at. Super Bowl is in Glendale, Arizona, fifty is
in Santa Clara, San fran fifty one is in Houston,
and then fifty two up in Minneapolis. Now you have it.
And by the way, not the first super Bowl in Minneapolis.

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Super Bowl that was Thurman Thomas forgetting his helmet on
the sideline m VP of that game. Well, Mark Rippin
rip them. And his daughter is a lingerie league quarterback
right now, hey, now, hey, now I did not know that.
But and then also big news today, expanded playoffs, Roger

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Goodell said, looking looking likely in two thousand fifteen. Definitely
not gonna happen this year, which is good. No schedules
are set TV. You know, TV times are all pretty
much locked in. So two thousand fifteen, with the addition
one team per each league, it looks likely. I'm still
on the fence. I really like the exclusivity of the
NFL playoffs, and you know you look at look at

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the NBA playoffs. If you're going on right now, the
Stanley came Playoffs are going right now. More than fifty
percent of the teams in both the NBA and the
NHL make the playoffs. It's it's like, what's your problem
if you can't make the playoffs? Whereas the NFL it's
so tight, twelve teams each year out of thirty two,
twenty teams looking on the outside looking in every single year,

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but yet you still have that turnover from year to year.
I'm just afraid. You know, at some point the bubble
is gonna burst. And you have such a good thing
right now, you're buying into the Cuban I buy into.
At some point you can only raise prices and then
see because season ticket holders, you know, if you if
you want your season, your your playoff tickets, you have
to buy those in advance. And you know the product,

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product is so good right now, why why not constantly tweaking?
Constantly tweaking, that's like getting better. But you also to
know when you have a good thing and you should
just let it. I thought the funniest quote of them all,
and I guess it didn't surprise me when I heard
when I heard the quote and then heard who said it,
Jerry Jones saying, of course he's in favor of the

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expanded playoffs because you know, at eight and eight every year,
Dallas now has a better chance of making it. Did
he say he said, Oh, well, he said that. He's like,
of course, I can't do a good Texas accent. But
by the way, thank you for all those tweets. Got
a lot of tweets about that riches Jerry Jones phone
call from last week. But Jerry Jones said, oh, yeah,

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of course he's for it because it helps his team. Well,
by the way, uh, just kind of speaking of NFL
dot com and that, uh your article got up. Did
you get any reactions? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got You know.
The funny thing is so uh so I did thirty
two teams of thirty two draft slots. I did the
best pick of the last ten years in the worst,

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so sixty four sixty four slots. You know that I
ended up writing about and I got so much grief
really on like two or three of them. So if
you do the math, well, Josh Freeman one for me
was a little bit that Josh Freeman was the one.
But Josh Freeman through for four thousand yards in this
league and one eleven games and took his team to

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the playoffs. I think it's a little early to call
it Josh Freeman a gigantic bus when you look who
who else was in there. Um, But but the backstory
to that was, well, there's only one or two You
wrote the article. You were, you know, you're hawking it
right here, right on here, and then I read it.
I thought it was good and it's something that I
knew would would do on the site. So yeah, threw

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up a little slide show. It came out, came out cool. People,
people took people, People took issue to me calling the
bus burger flippers, which I mean, people stopped stopp being
so serious about everything. I I too once flipped burgers
back in the day. I'm not burger flipper shaming people.
All Right, you got flack for absolutely, Let's let's have

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a sense of humor about everything opposed to the raising
of the minimum wage for I mean, but uh so, no,
back to the episode at hand. Um, you know, Richards
taking a little break obviously after a three day run
a draft that was insane and then coming in and
think things up. So, as we said at the top
of the show, we're gonna kind of play back some
some of our our fondest memories from over the years.

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A couple that we'll get to a little later where
we're gonna play extended versions. Um, that just stand out
in our mind was for me in particular, Coach Bill Courtney,
the coach of the Manassas Tigers. Um, Brockman, you remember
that when he came in. They went on to win
the documentary. We're gonna play about a fifteen minute portion
of that Oscar winner for Best Documentary. Yeah. Um, Peter Berg.

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Peter Berg came in. Uh, didn't really care to talk
much about his movie. We wanted to talk more about
We got into some great Friday night light stuff. Peter
Berg was in here shilling Battleship and didn't want to
talk about Battleship. Apparently he must have known something. Let
me tell you what. One of the best bad movies
I've seen. I still have time. It is always on HBO,
and no matter what I'm doing, I stop and watch.

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It's one of those. I mean, you've got Tim Riggins,
you got Brooklyn Decker, Rihanna Neson, Rihanna, you got Land
from Friday Night Light, you got, you got Eric from
True Wood, you got I mean Greg Cast, a friend
of the podcast, Jerry ferraras in it. Uh great cast.
Speaking of Jerry, Jerry will be in next Tuesday. I

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talked to him. He's coming to next Tuesday's gonna talk
about a little Giants draft. Odell Beckham he's gotta think
like a man too, coming out shot the Entourage movie
and he's playing uh got He's playing uh Gotti right, yeah,
true Gotti Gotti boxing. By the way, if we can't
parlay uh that into an invite to the Entourage premier,

(11:37):
we're doing something. We're doing something wrong, something wrong. We
gotta get over to Fat Sous at some point too.
We're all over the place right now. We are. Let's
let's get this entire episode is gonna kind of be
all over the place. What we'll do is we'll let
you know the date of the episode and if you
ever want to go back and listen to it, go
for it. This first one just just very brief. It's
from um. We've had We've had Charles Barkley on the

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podcast a few times, and uh, if you recall a
few years ago he got into a challenge with with
Dick Pavetta where he raced Dick Pavetta, the longtime NBA official. Yeah,
the long who is what seventy two at the time.
No Way definitely would say in his eighties. In his eighties,
and and and Berkeley, you know, being Berkeley was was

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loud and talked, talked trash to him. So Warren Sap
started talking a little trash to to to Charles, and
then Rich brought up the fact that that Warren uh
said he could beat Charles in a race, and Charles
didn't take two kind to it. This is about a
thirty second clip here you go. I was highly highly offended.
He could not run me. I'm not sure if anything

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in life but that anything in the world of Warren
cannot outrun me any time any place I'll be there. Really,
Warren Sap is a big defensive lineman. He cannot run
out run me. I guarantee that. And it's any time
anywhere we could is at forty yards any distance, I mean,

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so to add a little context to that, So when
that happened, that's when we had the TV show. I
think Spoon was still involved in this. Was you were
there for This was in September and we brought it
back up. I want to say it was like week
ten of the season, uh, Thanksgiving, it had come around
and there there was there was some reason why while

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why it got brought up, and then we were this
close to having Charles come to Combine and race to
race Sap and like make this happen as part of
the Combine special that year, and then it just kind
of all fell apart. But just one of those behind
the scene things that that one's always stuck with me,
by the way, and I remember being one of the
only people who thought Charles would win. Yeah, yeah, that's right.

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I was one of the few guys on Team Barkley.
And then Rich told you to, uh, to make sure
to not run into Sap in the halls right after that, right,
And I avoided SAP for us solid year because of that.
But no, we've had Charles on a bunch of times since,
and obviously it's actually been a while since we had
Warren on. We gotta get him back, and I think
when it's been a while, Warren, I feel like, no
Warren invaded when we had John Lynchin. He's invaded a lot.

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Warren is a good runner in her. We used to
do SAP straighthan straighthand Sap. We brought that back together. Um,
then those two went off the rails at each other
and then they got back together. Now. No, Warren invaded
a podcast up here in the studio once. Also, yeah,
that's right, but I can't remember who it was. We
had Olivia money in and the other studio as well,

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and uh, a rack Bo got there because raos and
and a rack Bo had kind of a posse and
they were all because She's went to Oklahoma and a
rack Po went to Texas. So a little red River shootout, right,
there's happening over there in the in the v O booth.
Have you seen these rumors where she is reportedly dating

(14:58):
Aaron Rodgers? No, yeah, that's that was hitting the old
gossip blogosphere. I did not know that over the weekend
news to me. Um so yeah, obviously Barkley. Uh, I
mean he's crushing it on on the t NT post
right now. Oh absolutely, did you see did you watch

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on on Monday night? Did you watch the Spurs Oklahoma
City game? I had our basketball we played a weekly basket. Right, Okay,
that's right. I was there. You had to work, so
you weren't You weren't there? Yeah, Barkley was going off
on San Antonio about he was. He was eating uros
and ice cream, which I can't really blame him. Both

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both those treats are very delicious. All right, So if
you want to go back, that's from September two eleven.
Another one from from two thousand eleven. A couple of
weeks later, we had The Sandman in Studio and this
was you were still This is when you were just
This was the my last episode before before I went
to Third to work on Thursday night and Michael Hayden

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was coming, so we had another television producer kind of
rotating in. Um. The Samman in Studio is one of
our first big in studio guests to come in for
the TV show. That was on a sound set, so
it's pretty cool we got to you know, we had
him out on the stage and that wasn't even part
of the special or anything. We just had in in
and was like, Adam Sandler, too big, we have to

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shoot it on the stage. Yeah, So he was in
to promote Jack and Jill at the time he got
about that movie. His his movie that was coming out
after Jack and Jill was That's My Boy, and it
had leaked that Rex Ryan, jets coach was in That's
My Boy. And not only was he in That's My Boy,
but he's a diehard Patriots fan and That's My Boy lawyer.

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Adam Sandler's a lawyer in the movie. So we're kind
of in a tough spot of you know, the Sam
Man's in to promote Jack and Jill, but it's all
we really care about is the NFL. As we want
to hear about this Rex Ryan and shooting with Rex Ryan.
And the funny thing is is is I think most
our listeners know um DP Dan Patrick has has been
in what the ten twelve. Yeah, he is an Adam
Sadler movie staple at this point. And Rich isn't afraid

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to ask for anything, and he's kind of he's kind
of needling into two Sandler and dropping hints like, you know, DP,
you know, get some new blood in there, get some
new energy in there. So here's a little clip of
of Rich kind of trying to get his way into
more more more depth of a role in upcoming Sandler movies.

(17:27):
But I think, um, if you started putting other people
absolutely from the sports world in that in those roles,
well you started off you're in this next one, then
you do a voice over, you don't play really yourself.
I mean people might know it's fine, but that's fine, Adam.
I'll take whatever. That's where you stuck. That's the next thing.

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I just want Dan to start hearing my footsteps. He
feels really. Number one, you were Rich Eyes and the
second movie, I say, Brad Hirshberg being I could, I
could channel my inner Brad Hershberg, loyal to you. When

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I used out of Here, Brad, I saw a rich
tweet out. This was like three months ago. Some guy
I guess was watching That's My Boy on HBO or
whatever and he asked rich if, hey, are you the
voice at the end of the race when the fact
guy wins the race? And Rich ree tweeted the guy

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and he's like, yeah, that's me because he remember he
was the voiceover, right, because that fat guy runs a
marathon or something, yeah, and then didn't didn't didn't sailor
like bet a ton of money and the fact guy
to win or something something ridiculous like that, but didn't
we go see that movie toge? Yeah, that's what I think.
The first night you met Charah, that's true. That's true.

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We went to a press creating of That's My Boy. Yeah,
and and um, that's also what spawned the lost invitation
to the after party after That's My Boy and the
Aaron Andrews meeting. Oh yeah, because you guys went to
that dot com thing you did. Yeah, that's right, that's right.
And you thought at Aaron Andrews. Was Jenn Brown? I
did not think, definitely thought Aaron Andrews. I didn't realize

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that Aaron Andrews had gotten pulled off of Thursday night
football because I don't watch because I don't watch college
Thursday night footballing work because we work here on Thursday night.
And that was before Jen Brown started working for us. Yeah,
and I had asked her. I was like, oh, how
are Thursday Nights going? And like, I definitely ticked her
off a little bit because she thought shocking. But anyway,

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that's smooth. But anyway, uh, and sand has got a
new movie coming out this weekend, actually, which is another
reason why I thought. One of the nicest guys I
think I've ever met. I mean, one humble, just down
to earth guy for somebody who's has reached the level
of fame that he's reached. I remember what I remember

(20:08):
most about Sandler being here is, um, he might have
actually been wearing sweatpants, but he had like this big,
baggy green shirt on. And he's from New Hampshire. And
you know, I lived in Maine for the last twenty years.
My mom and my sister are still there, and we
were just talking about New England, uh for five or
for five ten minutes, and uh, you know it's just

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a real normal conversation. He he introduced, you know, he
stuck out of his hands. Is Hi, my name is Adam.
I'm thinking myself, get no kidding, Like I know who
you are, Like I've been watching Who since I was fifteen.
Oh yeah, no, there's a there's a couple. Because I
listened back to not the entire interview of all these
and I was just trying to pull some of this sound.
But uh, he talks about how he had a run
in with Brady, and Brady just thought that because he's

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from New England, he was a New England fan, right,
Sandler is one of those New Englanders who's a New
York sports Yeah, exactly. So he had to then like
maneuver the conversation, and he didn't know whether or not
to break it to Tom that he wasn't and I
think he left it as he just left Tom believing
that he was a Patriots fan and then tell him.
I'm sure Tom knows by now. But yeah, that's great.

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But it was good. So that's from November three or
two thousand eleven, if you want to go back and
check that one out. Definitely a good one. Another one, Uh,
that was uh. I think one of our most underrated guests.
He's been in a bunch. Uh. He would come in
prior to the Super Bowl every year because he would
do a home and home with rich Carson Daly when
he had Last Call with Carson Daly. That's still on.

(21:36):
It's it's finishing up because he's now in New York
doing the The Today Show for the mornings and then
he comes out to l A maybe twice a week
for the regular on The Today Show. Yeah, he's now
a regular on The Today Show. Good for him, Yeah, no,
great for it, totally deserved and one of the nicest guys. Again,
absolutely one of the nicest guys ever when the when

(21:56):
the camera comes off. But for for a couple of
years in a row, he would come in with his
production crew and they would shoot Rich on the stage here. Um,
kind of a cool thing. They bring in their own cameras.
They shoot with five D and seven D cameras, about
four or five cameras. Takes twenty minutes. They'll put it
together in post and then and then obviously it airs
on on last. Not not too similar to what we do, no, yeah,

(22:18):
not not too much different from what we're doing. Um.
And then we would always sit him down after so Rich,
I don't I wouldn't say Rich was nervous. He wasn't
nervous at all. But he was supposed to interview Madonna
that year the super Bowl in Indianapolis, and Carson with
his you know, huge background in music and as an

(22:39):
MTRL baby, I've been to it. I went to a taping.
Hold on a second, tr hold on, you've been to
a taping of TRL in the Times Square studio and
with Carson Dalia. What year was this? The crazy thing
is this was Monday, September two thousand, No kidding, Yeah,
I went to a Michael acting concert that night at

(23:01):
Madison Square guarld Oh, yeah, I've heard that story. I
did not know you went to TRL, and I left
that out of the story on purpose before. Well, yeah,
hold on, you went to TRL Monday September tweah and
with in Times Square with with my buddy and two
of the other buddies couldn't get in, so they went
off and walked on to F A. O. Shortz and

(23:22):
checked it out. Yeah, that's incredible. Who was on TRL
that day? Who was the in studious personality? I can't remember.
I want to say it was Britney Spears, but I'm
not because that day then became well that night, she
was there at the concert performing. There were a lot
of famous acts that sang Michael Jackson songs. And then obviously,

(23:45):
you know, that night was a big night. And then
we ended up leaving the city. I got a parking
ticket at one in the morning, so we went back
September eleven at about two in the morning back to
Pennsylvania luckily. Um, but and then obviously everything happens and
you were what a freshman in college? Oh, I was
a senior in high school. Senior in high school. Yeah, wow,

(24:08):
that's incredible. But um, anyway, not to get too far
off on a on a tangent here, but um with
with his big background in music, you know, Rich started
asking for pointers. Of course, the Madonna interview. So this
is one of my favorites. I think we've used some
of this and some cut ups and uh potentially it
might have made an open once or twice. So here's
Carson Daily from his appearance on January two thousand twelve.

(24:33):
Madonna is a different ball of wax here, now do
I okay, let's be on. I'm never going to get
this interview. It's not serious. Yeah, it's not gonna happen.
Are you serious? I don't think it will be surprised.
She famously doesn't do anything really, I mean Madonna. I
don't know how much NFL Network or VH one she
watches or anything. I don't know either. So if she's
gonna know who you are, let's say what happens? If right,

(24:58):
because you gotta how do I handle this interview yourself?
If you're good at what you do, talk music, let
her promote. Don't look her in the eye. Rich, you
are done, don't you dare, don't even look. Don't even
look like like Madonna is Medusa, Like you can't look
her in the aisle, you're turn or you'll turn to

(25:19):
stone in front of a live audience. What I love
from that interaction was Rich goes, I don't know how
much you know she watches on a phone network or
v H one, because Rich does I love the nineties
and he's been on a bunch of those. Carson didn't
really pick up on it at first, and they moved
out of the next thing, and then he picks up
and he's like, oh, you want to know if she'll
know who you are? No chance, a chance, no chance,

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but you know what as I do recall, Rich destroyed
that interview And one of the funniest things that we
ended up using in our post Super Bowl TV show
back then was remember Mike del Tufo. Rich handed Mike
del Tufo, a steamed NFL audio guy, his BlackBerry to
get photos of Rich with Madonna. And those photos are

(26:06):
like Richard Madonna are like little black dots on the
scream because del Tufo couldn't operate. His fingers were too
big to hit the zoom and it could not and
you know the blackberries. That's when Rich Still three years
ago when Rich Still rocked the BlackBerry right, and you
know BlackBerry phones three years ago had like a two
point oh mega pixel camera. Incredible, and I think we

(26:29):
we ripped on. Yeah, we still frames. We put all
three of del two photos in the TV show because
they were so hideous. Yeah. Part of the fun of this,
I mean for us, it's just this like we're we're
recalling some of this just on the fly. I haven't
heard I mean you you put all these clips together yesterday,
and uh, I have no idea what's coming. So just

(26:51):
this is kind of what's fun about it. Um. But
hopefully this is hopefully this is as funny for you
guys listening as it is for the two of us,
because tripped trip down memory Lanes, uh are a good
time from time to time. Absolutely. So that again was
January twelve, the same episode. This was our Super Bowl
special from that year, so we actually had six guests.

(27:12):
By the Patriots lost at Super Bowl. Wes Welker passed
through the hands who we had Westwalker and sit down
on the Super Bowl Special, correct, and we also had
Tom Brady on. To kick off the season, Rich went
up to New England to do that luncheon or whatever
the event was for the crafts and sat down with Tom. Yeah,

(27:34):
perhaps the Lost Time TV has been on as Rich
As Rich said, that's a tough two shot, very tough
two shot. So from the same episode, Um the star
or one of the stars of thirty Rock. We just
had Tracy Morgan on. A couple of weeks ago, we
had Alec Baldwin on, and uh, Alec told a funny
story of um, you know, we never know kind of

(27:55):
how big a football fans some of these guys are,
aren't right, and he got into a funny story worry
about um wanting to catch a pass and Roger Starbuck
in his in his charity. So here's uh, here's Alec Baldwin,
just a short little clip from him. On January twelves,
my brother Stephen knew of a charity football game that

(28:17):
they played down there in Dallas for some youth group
or something that Starback had with Danny White. I wind
up on the phone with Starbucks office and with his
assistant and the woman was as nice to me and
she said, well, Mr Baldwin, the only problem me is
this is kind of a local charity and uh, we
don't fly people here. We don't put people up in

(28:37):
hotels and such. We don't have the budget for that.
I said, lady, I'll find myself down there, and I'll
put myself in a hotel and I'll write your charity
and check for fifty dollars and start back throws me
one pack And she said, do you really meant you
being seriously? I said, lady, you don't get it. That's incredible,

(28:58):
that is incredible. Who was your boyhood quarterback on Ido?
Was it Randall Cunninghall? Cunningham? So you know, if you
were in a position like Baldwin where you could just
scratch a check like that, what would you pay to
run a fly pattern and have Randal Cunningham throw you
a seventy yard bomb? Oh see, I can't. I can't

(29:20):
see myself cutting the check for fifty k. But uh,
I mean if you were in both, if I have
f you money and I'm right, just fifty grand to
catch a pass from stopby, if we're going to go
to a charity, I would do it. If it's going
to to Cunningham, I don't think. I still don't think
I could do it, just on principle alone. He's then
going to go to a charity. I would pay. I

(29:42):
would pay about that. I mean when I first started
watching football, uh man, I wanted to be Joe Montana
in Montana in the worst way when I was seven
or eight years because you were up in Alaska, right, Yeah,
you know, we moved all around and whatnot. But you know,
when I first really got into football, I was eight
and we had just moved to Alaska, and so you know,
I was a big I like the forty nine is

(30:03):
probably it had to do with them winning all the time,
and but hey, what do you want me to do?
I'm eight, But for me to go out there and
recreate the catch with Joe, I mean, fifty thousand seems
like five bucks. I think I would do that in
a second. Yeah, we always used to do because at
the time Randall had those infamous you know, jumping over
the pilots, and we would spend summers down in in

(30:24):
South Jersey. So anytime we were go in the ocean,
whenever we would break the line of the wake, we
were always it was always in a football in her
hand and we were jumping over. We would yell Randall
cutting in over the top, like that that was it
every time it was. It's pathetic when I look back
on it. Who's the Eagles play by play guy and
you're doing the Meryl. Don't call it exactly, it's classic,

(30:47):
it's fantastic. That's bottom. Now. Now this next one holds
a special place in my heart because it came up
so spontaneously. Um. We had we had rapper Iced Tea
in who was promoting, Uh, he was promoting his documentary
film he had out called Something from Nothing The Art
of Rap. Fantastic doc If you haven't seen that, it's incredible,

(31:08):
and he gets interviews with pretty much everybody, every single
big rapper from the eighties and nineties. Yeah, and so
right before he was supposed to come in, I'm making
up this time because I don't have it exactly, but
we'll call it. He was supposed to comitt eleven and
I think he came in ten minutes fifteen minutes early,
which is uncharacteristic for Sadly a lot of and by
the way, we were really hoping that Coca was going

(31:29):
to make an appearance, were Sadly at the time. And Uh,
I think like five or so minutes beforehand, I was like, hey,
you know, it would be funny Rich if you did
like a little rap, And there was one of those
are Rich looked and he's like, I don't know, come
off as hokey, and we were like, yeah, but it could.
And he's like, all right, write something up and and
and he goes in to do the interview. So they're

(31:49):
about fifteen minutes into the interview and we then start
writing up a rap for we hasn't seen it. He's
absolutely we are. We are just throwing words down on
paper with rhymes at the end. And it's not like
we we obviously want to set Rich up to look good.
And it's iced tea and can't you can't. You can't

(32:12):
fake it with iced tea. This is God. This is
one of the originators of gangs to wrap. He is
the real O g He will know. So if you're
a quote front and on him, like, we're not looking
to rhyme fat and hat here. We're looking to like
mix up words and have some depth to it. And
let's let's play the clip. This clips a little longer,
it's about two minutes, and then we'll kind of talk

(32:33):
through it after. But this one obviously made the open
for a while you'll notice when you hear it back
full this time the way we cut the open. We
you know, we stole some some laughs and some some
stuff from certain places. But here's uh Rich wrapping to
Iced Tea. One of the best parts, though, is at
the beginning, Iced Tea says, I was just at keyt
l A and the weather man. The weather man meant

(32:54):
to be like basically saying, like any idiot, every idiot
comes up to be and has to spit a few
bars and the richest credit riches like, well, I'm going
to do it now too, and here here it is.
I was on ktl A this morning. The weather man
bust the rhyme. That was a record? Did how was it?
Is it any good? It was what you expect from
a weather man. I'd love to see I'd love to

(33:18):
see that. And in that respect, um, just to prove again,
um that it does take some skill. Um, I have
to let you know it does seem to have a
comprehensive list of people that you have spoken to. You
did leave one person out, and that would be that
would be me. Oh here we go, yeah, here we go. Okay,
got you got skills? Well, I wouldn't spell it with

(33:41):
a Z. I mean, but I have I have, I
have skills. Okay, let's see, but can you I've got
I've got a rap right, a capella. I'm gonna. I'm gonna,
but you you help me if please, if you feel
I need, I'll do. I'll do the X fact. Okay,
don't turn that's about to say. It's better than the voice.
I don't want you to turn your back on me,

(34:03):
because it is. This is a package, you know what
I mean. It's a visual and an audience. Let's feel
it like this. You're gonna find out in the movie
they say. The first thing is you must be original. Okay, original, right,
I see, I ain't seen the wrapping the only one
in product that's maybe be the only one. Okay, here
we go. My name's Rich Eyes, and I have a podcast,
Mrs scheduled appearance, and I'll put you on blasts. New

(34:26):
York is my home, the island of Staaten. I've conquered Bristol,
even Manhattan. Now I'm on the West Coast, relaxing and chill,
living on the mead streets of Beverly Hill. Rapping isn't
my forte. In case you couldn't tell. I'm more relaxed
on the network NFL. That was coal right there, that
was cold syllables, was in pocket. Your delivery was tight.

(34:49):
You said it like you meant it. You way better
than a lot of rappers that are making right now. Yes,
way bad for them. Way better. I'm telling you, man,
you know, I'm really impressed. Thank you. I'm really you guys. Well,
maybe next time, when you do another film, come around
with me. I'll talk about my craft. I could sell
you took a little time and you thought about that.

(35:11):
That's that's the best part. That's the absolute best part.
Rich gave no thought to that law and I literally
threw bars down and handed him a piece of paper.
I listened back to it, and I'm like, I could
have made it. We could have made it so much
better at certain parts, but it's still know what it works.
I like the in case you couldn't tell, and then
finishing it with the network NFL. Yeah, I mean that's right.

(35:33):
I mean that just says a lot for our writing
ability that I see. I t was given us some
props like that, and then of course afterward, one of
it was my Twitter avatar for a long time me
and Iced Tea throwing up a west side Yeah what
little west side? He wasn't in west side connection. That
was like such a white moment, but I had to
do it. But but that was Yeah, that was a

(35:55):
real good time. That's that's one of those that's up there.
That entire interview is is really good because I mean
he's a guy that came from you know, rapping about
cop killers. Now he plays a cop on on a
TV and just talk about full circle. You know. We've
had a lot of guests that kind of are like that.
But um, definitely that was from June eight of two

(36:16):
thou twelve if you want to seek out that one.
He was a solo guest on that podcast, so he's
the only one. Um another one, Uh that this one
got a little late text. Um not gonna lie. I
can't Uh. This was our first in studio guest where
we also tried to incorporate a phoner um. This is

(36:39):
Frank Caliendo coming in studio and I can't remember this.
I think this Rich had had the idea for it.
I don't know. It might have been it might have
been me, I'm not it might have been you. I'm
I can't remember fully, We're gonna try to get Mooch
on the phone. We're gonna get Mooch on the phone,
and we're gonna pretend that Caliendo's Madden. I'm pretty I'm
pretty sure it was. It was my idea, but I
don't want to take credit. It was so uh what

(37:02):
we had working against us though, unbeknownst us, and that
we didn't know this, right. Yeah, two weeks before um
Steve Mariucci hosts a bocci ball tournament for charity, and
Mooch is really close with Madden. They're both up in
the Bay Area, close friends, but you know they could
probably still go a month to months without seeing and
Madden plays in this bocci tournament every single year. And

(37:26):
what we didn't know that it was like ten days, right,
And so when we sold, we were trying to to
full Mooch with Calienda doing the Madden voice. We told
Mooch that Madden was in studio. Yeah, that was where
we what we did was we said, we said, he's like, oh,
you have John down there? What he took the bus

(37:47):
down And and then the other problem where I got
a little latext. Although I blame delto Fo because this
was still in the days of Del Tufo and we
were over because we're doing this side of the v
O both out of our So right now we're in
a self contained podcast studio where I kind of run
the board and they mix it. We used to have
an audio engineer that would that would mix it. Um,

(38:07):
Frank Calander didn't have i f B in so he
couldn't hear Steve Mary, so we had to we had
to pause, pause, and stop down and get an IFB
in and it kind of in real time ruin the moment.
But here here's the playback of it. Um. It would
have been so good if it worked. It's still a
fun little segment though, and Mooch being one of the
best guys, he has had fun with it. So this

(38:28):
is about five minutes long. Well, here's what I'd like
to do. I'd like to get Marriuchi on the phone.
He's tight with Madden friends done a lot of things together.
In fact, they just did their annual charity bocci ball tournament.
And if there I mean, if there's a thing that
you wish could be bi annual, is that biannual or
semi annual it's flat out once a year, that's right,

(38:51):
And so they just did it. And uh, Mooch loves Madden,
loves him, he's known him for years. They're so tight.
Um they're texting. Madden will text him every now and then.
And I've stunned that Madden knew how to text. You
know how I learned that? He is true? This is true.
Troy taught me how to text. And I mean it's

(39:14):
a it's a there you go. So I've when I
knew you were coming on, I texted Mooch yesterday. By
the way, he did not know. Six years ago. Mooch
did not know how to text when we first came up.
Dion taught him that the little closed yellow envelope on
the top of his phone means he has a text.
I swear to you that actually happened. So now now
he's a texting fiend. He's even on Twitter. It's he's

(39:36):
just come a long way, Mooch. But anyway, he has
in a lot of ways. So I told Mary, I'm
like listening, I've got John Madden as my guest on
the podcast this week. He thinks John Madden is on
the podcast. Can we call him up? And have you
essentially punk him. Yeah, we'll see how long this lasts
with a guy who I just saw a couple of

(39:56):
days ago. You know, here we go, ready, bro, Okay,
here we go. H do we have Mooch on the phone, Chris?
All right, because you're about to be patched in. Well,
this is gonna be a great podcast moment um in
studio the great legendary John Madden. And then on the phone,
fresh off of your bocci ball tournament together, coach is
somebody you know very well, Steve married She said, say, uh,

(40:17):
say hi there, Mooch. You know John is down in
Los Angeles. He took his bus all the way down there,
and I didn't catch a ride with him. Yeah. I
mean sometimes you just have to, you know, do the
things that you do with nobody. You know, if you
you know, you don't you go out of your way
and you ask somebody and you think, hey, I don't
think they would want to go, and you don't want

(40:39):
to make them feel like they might go or if
they have to go, And so a minute, wait a minute,
wait a minute, wait a minute, is that John? Yeah?
Hey John, Okay, So how'd you doing the baccy tournament.
John didn't didn't win against you, I'll tell you that much.
I mean, I mean, that's the thing. You watch a

(41:01):
guy like you're, watch him play, and you say you
sniff that out so quickly. They told me you would
be way too dumb to get this, you thought, you
thought just because I'm a you for that John Madden,
who I know me too well. And now that guy

(41:25):
is pretty good, pretty good, pretty good. But when you
know somebody, you just gotta you know, because I know
he would have been dragging on me about something else,
you know, and the topic was off kilter a little bit,
and I was trying to play nice there. I mean,
I wanted to go after you. I mean, I'm saying
the way you play it, you know, I'm like, you
should say him sleep, You should say him sleep. I mean,

(41:45):
you think you think the way talks is funny. I've
seen this guy. He just falls asleep on your couch. Okay,
you got the laugh down mats for sure. Working out
of the room. John wasn't laughing much at the BOCI
tournament because he was awful. Track team from the Raiders
beat him. See that's the thing, though, is I like

(42:06):
to make other people feel good about themselves. If you
know one thing about John Madden as I'm a giver
and that was given, that was given. Just sniffed that out, man.
I thought I could at least get you for a
solid sixty seconds. It's just not exactly the same. It's good,
it's good. Believe me, it's good. But you know, it's

(42:27):
like if you would have been impersonating, I would catch
it right away. I don't know what he calls you.
It would be one of those things where I don't
know what he calls you or something like that. I mean,
you know, does he call you mooch? What does he? Yeah?
If I if I'd have been more at that, you know,
you you cheat it again, you know or something. I mean,

(42:47):
you thought you look like you had it, then you
weren't going to have it, and somehow I made it
came through. I didn't think. I mean, of all the
things that Steve Mary, she's known for, and there's a
lot of things, and some of them are good and
some of them aren't so good. But in the middle
there's It's just one thing I like to say is
if you think I mean, I would like to say,

(43:09):
Bruce Bocci just because that's the kind of stuff that
makes you feel good about yourself. Okay, taking me thirty
years to the moment when Mooch figures out that it's
not Madden is amazing. It's like the apple falling on

(43:31):
Newton's head. It's so and before that, if you actually
go back and you you do happen to download the
entire episode or or just Caliendo's portion. He does invitations
of about seven other He does Jim Rome, which he
crushes like Dogan Freeman, Morgan Freeman. Yeah, uh, I'm I
love watching or hearing people do impersonation, like whenever Hank

(43:54):
comes in and he does some of the Simpsons characters,
or when we had j More on and he was
doing all those guys. To me, it's just one of
those things like I can watch that all day. I
love that. Galiando one of the nicest guys. He was
really cool, very cool dude. Um and also on that
episode a little bit different if you do happen to
uh to listen to it. We had one of our
listeners in studio on that episode, Chris barba Um. He

(44:18):
won a contest for Stepan Riches shoes and you got
the most listeners subscribe. Yeah that's true. And he came
up and he got a pair of Eisen's autographed forty combine. Yeah. Yeah,
that's awesome. So he was an international guy. Shout out
to Barba. Yeah exactly. So. Uh, kind of a little
bit of a hodgepodge there up next. One of our

(44:41):
all time favorites. This one a little a lot more recently,
so if you're a newer listener to the podcast, you
may have heard it Originally. We're gonna play two portions
of this interview. There's actually three we were gonna play,
but I think I'll just keep it to the two
unless you vote me out or just said you do
want the third one in Brockman, we can maybe add
it in. But um, our friend Bobby kind of Valley
in studio told multi multiple hilarious stories. I mean, this

(45:07):
guy just just Rich and I were just sitting here
man crushing on Bobby so badly. We had Bobby on
the phone, uh first, yeah, maybe a year prior, right,
And then that convinced me to watch because I had
watched Boardwalk Empire, and I was like, because Wahlberg kind
of spoiled the ending of season one for me, and

(45:29):
then Bobby came on like no. Rich was like, no,
you got you trust me. This guy, Bobby kind of
Volley just crushes Boardwalk Empire as the villain Chipp Rossetti.
You have to watch. And this guy came on. He
was cool New Yorker. He had that angry Jets fan
thing going on and the accent. I was like, all right,
you know what, I'll give it a whirl. This guy

(45:50):
just destroyed his season of boardwalking. So all right, amen.
And so he comes in studio. Oh, he's never had
on the West coast. He was never around on the
West coast shooting a movie with Pacino. He was which
he had just gonna play Glen Garry, Glen Ross. I
don't need to tell you it all. It actually starts
the interview right from the beginning. I'm gonna play the
first three minutes of the interview. He tells a good, uh,

(46:12):
a good funny Pacino story. Then we'll stop down and
set up the next portion of the interview with him.
But this is Bobby kind of Volley from Let's see
Bobby kind of Volley from August twelve, two thousand, Good
to see you, Bobby kind of VOLLI in the flush.
Nice to be here in God's Country, Culver City, California.
It is there is there is something uh beatific about

(46:35):
Culver City. Beautiful out here. I thank you very much
for company. Yeah, I know you're You're in New York.
You're an East Coast through and through, so you're being
out here in l A. This is not usual for you.
Would you say, all, this is the longest I've ever
spent in l A. I've been here for four weeks. Now,
how you doing for it? How you how you doing?
I'm doing all right, man. I'm hanging out with Pecino

(46:56):
a lot so I can keep it real. Is that so? Yeah?
Well I'm working said in this movie out here with him.
So which movie are you doing right now? It's called Imagined.
So I'm spending a lot of time at his rented house. Um,
you know he'll only rent the house out here. You know,
he rents the house because he's He's like, if I
get a place, then I have two means I'm here
to stay. So he's been renting the same house in

(47:17):
the flats and Beverly Hills. Like like, it's okay for
me to say this because everybody in the world knows
where Pacino lives because he lives literally on the road,
like like there's a bus that goes by, you know
those tours, they all stop in front of his house
and shoot his and shoot. He sits in the front
yard and he waves. Everybody knows where Al lives. And
you know what, and so does that mean that you

(47:39):
stumble downstairs and you see Al Pacino just rummaging through
the fridge in his skivvyes and stuff like that. You
could literally go on one of those double decker I
recommend the double decker, so you can get up tops,
you can see over the fence and you'll probably see
Al drinking his forty eight cup of coffee on his
front porch by noon. Yeah. That is so cool because

(48:00):
you just did Glen Garry Glenn Ross with him on Broadway,
which I saw and you were superban night as well. Yeah,
and so now you've did that and now you're you're
doing this film with him. Yeah. So yeah, it worked out.
I mean, it's a good thing I did that play.
That is fantastic. Yea, the play led to this, the
play let, Yeah, I think so. I mean I had
such a good time on that and I think I'll
had a good time and and then he was he's
been like he's been trying to get this movie made

(48:21):
for a few years. It's really it's really great. What
is it. It's called imagined. Guy named Dan Fogelman, really
wonderful writer director. He wrote Crazy Stupid Love and that's
a funny movie. Yeah and uh, and so he's been
developing this with Al for a few years. And Al
plays this like Neil Diamond type character, this sort of
superstar singer, you know, and um, and he's like tired
of singing the same song. You know, he's got like

(48:42):
a sweet Caroline song and he doesn't want to sing anymore,
and so he decides to give it all up. You know.
He's like he's like a drug addict and like, you know,
he's like he just wants to sing his new songs
and nobody wants to hear it. So he tries to
go find the son he never you know, he had
on son and on one night stand forty years ago
and that's me and um, it's a pretty funny and
he sort of high jinks abound and Chris Plumbers in

(49:03):
it and At Benning and Jennifer Garner, Um, please my
wife and it's good man, it's really good little film.
But um, yeah, I had to come out here. I
mean like really, I haven't been out here for this
long ever, So I did it really for him. Okay,
So that was just kind of wanted to get that
Pacino story in there, because did you imagine walking downstairs

(49:23):
and just seeing al Pacino, like eating cheerios or on
his cup of coffee. I recommend the upper deck at
the Double Decker. I like the idea of Pacino just
sitting out in his lawn waving at the Star tours
going through Beverly Hills. Absolutely love it. But this next parts,

(49:43):
by the way, that movie is supposed to come out
this year two imagine Yeah, what was the director's name?
He said, the guy from Our Stupid Yeah, I'm all
in on that movie, Dan Fogelman. He wrote it and
directed it and Crazy Stupid Love. If you how I've
not seen that movie, check it out the Gosling Yeah,

(50:05):
and uh, what's the Emma Stone too? But so that
kind of tease up the second part of kind of
Alley Here, which I think it's the best. He's talking about, um,
how he first met they're talking about kind of boy
hit hood crushes and meeting them, which we kind of

(50:26):
mentioned earlier with cunning Ham or you know, if we
met cunning Hammer, if you met Montana and throwing a
ball and uh at this time, Bobby, Bobby is a
big Jets fan and this was the time of the
Sanchez headband and and all of that, and he mentions,
you know, he's ripping on Sanchez for the headband, and
then he talks about his mint green Vespo scooter that

(50:47):
he was on when he saw Reggie and Reggie kind
of shunned him. So it goes through that. Rich tells
a little bit of a maddeningly story about meeting Mattingly
and then freaking out in the moment, and then it
goes into his Jeter story which was in the infamous open.
So play play. This whole thing is incredible. This is
about six and a half minutes. Is so awesome and
it's worth every every minute of it here. So Bobby

(51:08):
kind of all the same episode and here you go.
Have you ever have you ever met Reggie Jackson? Have
you ever come across him at anything? But you know
what I did one time. I'm really bad with athletes.
I'm terrible I just become a nerd. I was on
my vest but bad enough judging the head judy my
headband on the vest. But but I'm not the quarterback

(51:28):
of the Jets. So I'm on my Vespa green, riding
the vet green vest, but riding, and I passed, and
I'm at a red light and I see Reggie on
the corner of like at the reach St. Regis, and
I lose my mind. I just lose it. I just
started screaming. When was this just like two years ago?
Here an adult. He was not cool. He was like,

(51:51):
he gave me like, yeah, what do you think it
was the Vespa screaming guy. No, because he's seen the
screaming guy before. He may never have seen the screaming
It wasn't that cool. But but I mean, but Reggie, Yeah,
you're right, I mean yeah, Reggie produced, and Reggie was

(52:11):
kind of Legit was always sort of Reggie. The reason
why I bring it up is he's small. He's not
a tall man at all. If that but that he was,
and the way he would swing to he he would
corkscrew himself in the ground. He had the greatest, most
grandiose swings and misses of all time, there would be
those shots when he'd be turned completely around with his

(52:34):
knee about an inch off the ground. Yeah, like a cartoon,
But I would you know, I'm like that. I'm my
way with Mattingly. Mattingly is my all time favorite baseball player.
I've got a story for you. Then, Okay, this is
my favorite all time don Mattingly. Sorry have I told
this on the podcast before I may here. I'm a
I'm a freshman at the University of Michigan six and
this is the Donny baseball era where he's wearing the

(52:55):
mullet and Steinbrenner is all over him for the mullet
and the way he's got his facial are all of
that stuff, and he's going into his walk year, and
I think it's George released a statement to like Saturday
Afternoon Baseball that Vince Scully read on NBC about Mattingly
and it's getting ugly and it's terrible, And I feel
when he pulls into Detroit that next week, I am

(53:16):
going to personally take this situation out of the fire
and I'm gonna go down to Tiger Stadium and be
the first one in the stadium and tell him Donnie
what you mean to guys like me from Staten Island,
New York and Yankee fans everywhere waiting for these championships again.
You are the bridge from the great years of the
late seventies early eighties, even though you're ben't playing them too.

(53:37):
Now you stand for those guys and you cannot listen
to with George Steinburner has to say, you have got
to stay. You got to stay for people like us
who appreciate you. Thought about all this, got him, rented
a car, wasn't investpa rented a car, drove from ann
Arbor to Detroit. Sure enough, got to Tiger Stadium, gates locked, unlocked,
gates first in, belly up to the Yankee dugout. I'm there,

(54:00):
I'm ready. First guy to the dugout is Don Mattingly.
He goes. I go to him. We do before his
eyes get his biggest saucers. He pirouettes and goes right
back into the clubhouse. I blew it. Years later, I
go to I'm on Sports Center, and I go to

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the All Star Game in Seattle, and I'm covering for
ESPN one of the celebrities softball teams, and I'm one
of the sideline reporters and the captain of the team
manager of the team is Don Mattingly. Go up to
him in the dug and in the clubhouse. I walk
up to him and I'm like, Don, I just want
to introduce myself to you, and he goes, I love

(54:42):
your work on Sports Center and I'm just like, oh
my god, exactly. I had that look. I melted and
I'm like, Don, that means so much to me, and
I just want to let you know, you know, um
what you mean to me and what you mean Yankee Finch,
thank you, thank you. Had a nice conversation for a minute.
He goes, so nice to meet you, and I'm like,
we have met before. Tell him the whole story again.

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And at the end of the story, like a fan,
I go, do you remember and he goes, nope, nope,
I felt this big again. Yeah, I'm the I am.
I am the same way. Man. I get crazy, I
get so stupid. I've told you my Derek Jeter story.
I think I told you last night. Oh man, it's
like nineteen. This is seen with my son born. Yeah,
so it's like six. It's the first year of Third Watch.

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It's a TV show. I was on there like like
two weeks before that first day on Third Watch, I
was working in a bar, so it was the first
thing I ever did, you know. And it's on NBC
and NBC has the has the World Series, and they
fly me down to Yankees Atlanta, uh down to Atlanta
for the World Series. Sitting right next to the Yankee
dug out behind the on deck circle, it's me Um,

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Michael Beach, Eddie Cibrian from the show. And then in
the row is is Jesse Jet, Reverend Jesse Jackson, Spike Lee,
George Steinbrenner, and I am I'm not like a professional yet.
I haven't been on television before and I've never done this.
And these guys were on so they were all cool.
I'm the only one in a Yankee jersey and a
Yankee hat. These guys are camera ready and whatever designer

(56:12):
dressed him, and I'm in full regalia and I spend
the entire the entire game screaming my head off, bro
screaming my hat off. Cameras on, it's costas going, you know,
it's the stars of the news show Third Watch, and
I'm freaking out, like and every time Jeeter comes up,
I'm screaming, screaming. I'm like as close as I am
to you. Now, I'm right behind him, and you know,

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behind the on deck circle, screaming, screaming, screaming, nothing, nothing, nothing.
He doesn't even look at me. Cool as hell. These
guys are laughing at me, and I hear Steinbrenner going,
he's ignoring him, and I like, like I was care less, screaming, screaming. Finally,
last at bat, a thinning Jeeter comes up. I'm horseman,
I'm just just turn around, man, just turn around. Finally,

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he like tell him he does the thing with the weight,
he's about to go up. He turns and he looks
at he goes, bro, I hear you, it was so good,
and turned around. Still haven't met him though since then,
but I would totally ask him if you remember the
bro I can hear you, guys, I'm that guy, bro,

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I hear oh man, I mean that is just because
you know, we've all been there, Yeah, we've all been
there screaming at our favorite players, just hoping they turn
around and acknowledge us. And this is an Emmy Award
winning actor admitting this is a grown man. Grown man
eight rows back at the Yankee Stadium screaming like a

(57:39):
lunatic at Derek Jeter. I love that he's like Eddie
Cybrian and his designer jeans or whatever, the fashion, the
fashion lady, whoever, whoever dressed dressed him. There's NBC execs there,
Steinbrenner's there, and he's just yell. He's wearing a jersey
full regalia like a mediac, like a mediac. I mean,
it's so great because we've all been there, We've all

(58:01):
we've all been That was a fun episode. There was
another clip I'm gonna play, but I'll tell you what.
We'll save it and definitely if you haven't heard it,
go back and check it out. But he was shooting
a movie with Woody Allen. Right, he was up in
San France. Third I think he said he shot thirteen
straight days. And there's a great story of him kind
of just nagging. He just kind of follows Woody around.

(58:22):
Harrison I meant, yeah, he just follows Woody Allen around. Uh,
and wood he just you know, he's just kind of
looking at him, like we leave me alone. Yeah, and
he's he's he's just watching Woody Allen. He's like, I'm
watching this guy, he's pulling up his phone. He's watching
magic clips on you on YouTube. He likes magic and
and uh, there were just some good intricacies. So that

(58:42):
guy is an all timer, Bobby kind of Volley. Can't
wait to get him back in. Yeah, we got to
get him back in. And I want to check out
that movie. You're right, Yeah, absolutely it should be coming
out this year. There was no date on IMTP, but
a good pool that that one UM was up, So
that that's kind of all if you want to check
it out August twelve from tween from this year. UM,
next up is uh is that this one these next

(59:04):
three get a little bit longer because Uh, I think
these were just you kind of need to hear a
little bit more of the story and we're only still
even playing for you guys a fraction of it. Uh.
Two that we didn't include at all, that I think
our must listens for us if you've seen all of
Breaking Bad is definitely the Vince Gilligan one. I didn't
want to bring that one back just because the spoilers

(59:25):
and I feel like, uh, that's one where you just
need to listen to the full What was it? Oh
my goodness, he was here for a yeah, an hour
and a half probably, Yeah, that was one of the
all times. And then um, our guy Bruce Tern to
he he was he was great. And you know we've
we've played that one. That one was more recent and
we've kind of you know, hit on that one a
lot with some open stuff. So um, definitely if you

(59:49):
miss Bruce Tern, go go seek it out. But this
one's this is coach Bill Courtney of the Manassas Tigers.
I I take special pride in this one because, um,
I was pushing for this guy for a little while
to come on. And um, even before their their documentary
got nominated, somebody most likely from the Weinstein Company I believe,
sent me a copy of the DVD and I've watched

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it and I remember I was going on a work
flight somewhere, and I mean it was hard to not
get emotional while watching it, and uh, you know, I
said to Richard, like, we we got to get this
guy on. He said, well, you know, what are we
gonna talk about? And just watch the doc just watched
the documentary and he watched it and he's like, this
is gonna be great. And the director actually came in

(01:00:32):
with us with him as well. We didn't include it,
but it was directed by Dan Lindsay and t J. Martin.
For those that don't know Undefeated, UH, it's a documentary
that chronicles it pretty much follows three underprivileged student athletes
that uh that are in inner city Memphis and coach
Bill Courtney is a volunteer coach trying to kind of
help them beat the odds. Um really both on in

(01:00:53):
and off the field. And he doesn't do it in
a preachy way or his approach is just he may
He's one of those guys that makes you just have
pause and think about the way you do stuff, and
they're like, man, kind of I kind of wish I
had either you know, those patients or this or that.
Um So, for me, it's one of one of my

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favorites that we've ever had on but um, here it is.
This is Coach Bill Courtney from February twelve. Uh, it's
gonna gonna play a sixteen minute portion of the interview
here on this podcast and obviously an NFL media group
and NFL network, we're constantly caught up and what the
NFL is all about winning, losing, Who's to blame? Who

(01:01:37):
is skyrocketing to fame and things of that nature, and
who should make the Hall of Fame, who gets snubbed?
I mean, that's basically what we talk about in the
NFL all the time. And then there's UH the side
of football that saves lives, that means so much to
so many people who will never touch the NFL in

(01:01:58):
their lives. It is is remarkable when you think it's
it's the same sport, it's the same ball, it's the
same concept of teamwork and and sacrifice, but it's just
in a different place at different level. And into that respect,
there's a superb film called Undefeated. It is a documentary
about the Manassas Tigers in North Memphis High School UM

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and UH. It is nominated for an Oscar And part
of the reason why it is is because the story
that is told and the lives that are saved and
the lives that are made in the lives that are
UH put on display for all of us to be
shocked by, be awed by, be impressed with, and and
emotionally involved UH and following and the reason why it

(01:02:45):
is nominated in that respect, the reason why the Manassas
Tigers were quite a story and of interest and rooting
for is is my guest here on the podcast, the
coach of that team, Bill Courtney. Good to see you,
Good to see you all. I guess I should call
you the the former coach of the Manassas Tigers. Right
was my last year ut Minassas moved on. Now, I

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guess for for somebody who has maybe not heard of
this film or not yet seen it, the first scene
of it and I'm not telling any tales out of schools.
Essentially you going through some of the trials and tribulations
that you, as a coach have had to endure with
this team. And it was a great way to start
the film because it opens your eyes as to what

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was going on with this team. Can you recount for
some of us some of the issues that that you
had with Manassas and your and your and your team. Well,
I mean it's it's the neighborhood is is. Um suffers
an abject poverty and all of the cliches that you
hear and think about when you talk about dinner city

(01:03:48):
do really exist. UM. Not many fathers in the household,
lots of UM, lots of very young ANDWD mothers, lots
of grandmothers, and aunties raising kids and UM doing the
very best they can with what they have. But you know,
buy and large, the kids just kind of grow old.

(01:04:09):
They don't really grow up, you know. And UM, so
you know, you you enter into an environment that UM,
the basic tenants and fundamentals of what a young man
should be are deficient. And UM. Consequently you get kids

(01:04:31):
getting shot, you get gang beatings, you get kids getting
arrested and UM. And and these are kids who, outside
of those issues and a one on one situation, are
screaming for discipline and love and nurturing and have an
enormous amount of good in them. And they're just lonely
and sad and hurt and they act out. And in

(01:04:54):
that environment, you know, a temper tantrum can manifest itself
and someone getting shot and going to jail, and UM,
a lot of that happened. I mean, there was again
I'm I'm gonna try and conduct this interview without giving
away too much of the film, but there was a
moment the film that really hit me. I guess it
was the first win that your your team had in

(01:05:15):
the season. Is you want to go across the field
to shake the coach's hand, and the local police stepped in,
yeah and prevent there was. There was a lot of
banner back, and that's that's a cross time rival that
Manassas had never beaten. And um, those kids know each
other intimately across neighborhoods, and you know there's a lot

(01:05:37):
of banner and texting and whatever kids do back and
forth that that, you know, there was regardless of how
the game turned out, there was gonna be. It was
on afterwards, and um, you know, it's kind of funny
to hear, um the suburban teams play were ready before
games because we ready is not a long it's root

(01:06:00):
is an inner city a Bonox phrase for you're gonna
get in my face bringing on. We're ready. And that's
what was going on the whole week before that game,
is everybody was ready. And so the police wouldn't even
allow us to sit close to each other after the games.
And I was very concerned about it. One, I didn't

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want anybody get hurt. But from a coaching standpoint, in
the in the state Tennessee, if you get thrown out
a game for fighting, you're suspended for two games. So
if you know twenty of the kids got in a fight.
You know, I even have a team to play the
next two weeks, and so it's just from a coaching standpoint,
from mentoring standpoint, all kinds of things. It was probably
a good decision on the police's on the on the

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on the police's part not to let us check hand.
And I saw how you in the final throws of
that game went to everybody's keep your keep your chimp
straps on, do not do anything stupid. We've been tattled
and rocked before in the neighborhood, and um, unfortunately nobody
ever got hurt. Maybe a window broke and I have
a bus or something. But you know, that was an

(01:07:03):
emotionally charged game that we were well you have to
see the movie to understand how it comes out, but
I mean it was. There was just an enormous amount
of motion leading up to that game for a week.
There's enormous amount of emotion in that game. I kind
of I kind of prepped the team for that game
in terms of, you know, it's almost a good versus
evil kind of thing. We're trying to do things the

(01:07:25):
right way. I didn't think they did things the right way.
And you know, in the end, are we're pretty matched
up physically, uh evenly, and I just felt like a
character and discipline in the end would win out in
that in that matchup. And um, and I just didn't

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want the excitement of that evening evening to end on
a bad note. Of course, And and because it's interesting,
because it is just a game and it all just
comes down to it. But the part this film that
really blows blows me away, and blow will no doubt
blow anybody who sees this a way, is that this game,

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it's just a game, but it is savings. You know,
the fact that this game exists in your program with
that is that is humbling. And I'm I'm honored for
you to say that, but respectfully, I disagree with you. UM.
I felt like if we instill character and discipline and

(01:08:28):
commitment and loyalty and honesty and selflessness and putting the
team before oneself, I don't feel like I was saving lives.
I feel like I was trying to bolster fundamentals so
that they could save their own lives because at the
end of the day, I wasn't going to be their
form forever and they needed to be there for themselves.

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So when they're forty years old and they look back
on football. They remember the tackles, they remember the touchdowns.
But more importantly, they have when they when they're ball
as far as them when their wife leaves them, when
a children, God forbid, gets sick and dies, are they
gonna Are they going to fold up camp or they
gonna fall back on the fundamentals that they learned. So
if I saved their life, the next thing that hits

(01:09:13):
them in the mouth when I'm not there, They're screwed.
So I didn't. I didn't. I mean, really, it's no
false humility here. I did. All I did was want
to give them a foundation with on which they could
go save their own lives and and do things for themselves.
But this is a program that had been losing for years. Yes, okay,

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part of this film chronicles the season, and the goal
was just to win a single playoff game, which the
school and it's what one hundred plus years had a
hundred years had never done never once. So all of
this through, uh, you're that is sort of the the
carrot at the end of the stick here, right, I mean?

(01:09:56):
And and through it all again, even though that it
would be critically important, that is really low on the
list of of priorities with these young men. Here's here's
the best thing. Here's the best way I can explain
that to you tonight when you go home, Um, stop
over at Dick Sporting Goods or whatever sporting good story

(01:10:16):
you got, and fill a football up and get in
the living room and stand on it, and I bet
within ten seconds you'll fall flight on your rear end.
And if you make the foundation of what you do
as a coach the football, you're gonna follow on your end.
If you make the foundation character, commitment, discipline, and all

(01:10:36):
of the tenants that we talk about, and you build
from that, you can hold a hundred footballs in there
as long as you want to. So the playoff game
and the winning seasons and turning the program around and
bringing kids in is not about xs and os in football,
Because if that's what it's about, your fundamentally, you're you're

(01:10:59):
fundamentally defic shot. If if you make it about the
character and commitment, all the things that you want to
grow young men to be, then the football come. And
so that's what it's about. I'm sure a lot of
fans might be hearing this, maybe some coaches are hearing
this right now, this all sounds really good. And then
you see it in all seriousness, it sounds really good.

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You see it in the film. You see it work.
It's clearly working. How do you make it work? Certainly
when there are a lot of hardheads you're trying to crack,
and there are a lot of moments in the film
where you are exasperated. Walk it. You are, you are
in the car going home? Walk it? What does that mean?
Walk it? If you're gonna say it, walk it. Kids
are unbelievably I mean they're they're unbelievable. Good judge of character.

(01:11:45):
And if they're just their lives and theirs and it's
in their simplicity um and and the and and the
age that's not on them. Allow them to look at
things for what they are. And if you all all
this stuff and then go live another way, you're just
another sellout, You're just you're just another joke, You're just

(01:12:07):
another like everybody else. But you do this consistently, you
say it every day, and then you walk it and
you live it, and you show how those things changed
my life for me when I was a young man
and allowed me to have a four children and a wife,
in a beautiful family, in a business. Because I walked
it and I live it daily, then you then you

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can be an example for him. But you have to
be consistent. You have to walk it, and if you
walk it, they'll follow it. If you don't, then it's
just a bunch of crap. They're gonna stand on a
knee and listen to it then to practice and go
do whatever they want to do. But there are moments
in the film as well. Um there's one character, Chavis Daniels,
who comes back after I guess a fifteen months day

(01:12:52):
in a juvenile detention center, comes back and he's you're
throwing them back on the team, and he immediately gets
into who fights including with with an angel on your team?
I mean he was this kid, uh nobody on that
team head Wings. But in terms of what this this
this young man money in the film, I mean you immediately,

(01:13:15):
you immediately root for him. Okay, you immediately And again
I don't want to give away his story now and
how it works in it, because that is truly one
of the more moving moments of the film is his
story winds up. Um, but he immediately slaps him in
a meeting and a team meeting in front of the
whole team, and you as a coach or now faced.
I was sitting and watching this, I'm like, wow, Okay,
I want to see how coach Courtney handles this one,

(01:13:37):
because here comes a kid who just comes in sort
of dropped into the scene. Obviously, the the young man
on your team know who he is, know what his
background is, but he's dropped into the mix. Chemistry is huge.
How you handled this moment could could have, in my
way my view, could have tilted the entire direction of
your team if you didn't handle this moment right, What

(01:13:59):
are you thinking when you see this right in the
middle of your meeting room, right in the middle of
the gravity of all that didn't weigh on me at
that particular time. I had I had a kid acting
out being a complete jerk, and I had a kid
getting um getting hit for no reason, and then I

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had verbal stuff and the whole thing and the immediate
reaction to it is one, stop it and to discipline it,
and and three make it right between the two kids.
And I mean, look, I mean we can take this
a whole another direction, but I will just say this,

(01:14:42):
um uh, forgive your trespasses and forgive those who trespass
against you, and um, that is also a fundamental tenant
that I live my life by and expect those kids
to live their life by. And so, you know, it
takes some time to forgive, but to forgive, forgiveness has

(01:15:04):
to be asked for and it took chave us a
long time to get there. But had we just thrown
him off the team, what what lesson does he learn? What?
How does he get How does he get better from this?
If if we threw him off the team? How does
money get better for this? Because money needs to understand
what it is to have a forgiving heart. And there's
there's just too much invested in the moral fiber of

(01:15:28):
these two kids to let that situation be anything more
than what it was, which was a miss step. That's
going to get punished, it's going to get disciplined, but
we're gonna learn from it. And and it takes a
big man task for forgiveness, and it takes a big
man to forgive. Small men can harbor grudges forever. And
you know, we talked about that a lot and it

(01:15:51):
eventually came around. But I mean, yeah, but I wouldn't
have handled that differently with those two kids and any
other two kids on the team. That's just how in
my mind, it's pretty simple. That's how you do it.
But do you ever doubt what you're doing at any point?
Do you ever sit there and think, am I doing
the right thing? Because sure, sure there's there's no there's

(01:16:12):
no manual, and um, it sounds like parenting, you know
what I mean? It is it absolutely because I've heard
that I've got two young kids at home. I've heard
that a lot. Hey, there's no manual, you know it is.
And and look, I'm I am. We're all failed, all
of us, and I am no moral authority by any

(01:16:34):
means and do terrible things on a daily basis that
I'm ashamed of. And you know, so, yeah, of course,
I mean I think, don't you doubt yourself? Sometimes? Yeah? Okay,
I'm wondering if I'm asking you the right questions right now,
you know, because I want to make sure that that
that everybody at home understands what's going on. But yeah,

(01:16:54):
obviously there are sometimes when I'm on live TV or anything,
but my you know, what I'm gonna do, Whether Dion
Sanders is set up appropriately to give his analysis, or
Michael does not in my mind, you know, equate to
the weight of what your words means. Appreciate that, But

(01:17:18):
that's that's your world. And of course you and and
of course I doubt, and of course I'm wonder and
I look back on things, both xs and os and
on the field, wise and off the field, I mean
all of it. Sure. I mean, look, here's the deal.
You take a piece of paper and your draw a
line down the middle of it. You put the pluses
on the left side and the negatives on the right side.
If the negatives outweigh the pluses, and you find that

(01:17:40):
a failure working with these kids will eat you alive,
you will become an alcoholic and jump off a bridge.
All right. What you have to understand is the negatives
are inherent and going to be there, and you can't
do anything about them. But those few pluses allow you
to exact some measure of change. And that's good enough. Wow,

(01:18:06):
I mean pretty uh powerful stuff. And that's only a
portion of it too. I mean they go on for
a little while longer and than the director Dan Lindsey
comes in and joins. If you haven't seen the Undefeated. Up.
It's on Netflix. Reach out and watch it. It's guaranteed
worthwhile two hours and it will people say this all

(01:18:28):
the time. It will change your life. It's that good.
It's that powerful man the heartstrings for sure seeing seeing
this guy at the Oscars because I was there that year. Um,
him walking the red carpet with puff Daddy is is
one of the most kind of surreal moments I'm sure
in his own life. Bill Cortney, guy who never thought

(01:18:50):
that he'd ever you know, be on the Hollywood stage
so to speak, was awesome. Um. We talked to Harvey
wins in that year about about Undefeated. We tried to
get uh, we tried to get puff Daddy. Kevin Fraser
hung us out to dry. He said he was gonna
send puff Daddy down and Bill Courtney when he was

(01:19:11):
done with them to us because because puff Daddy was
one of the producers day at executive as an executive producer,
that's why he was. He was there. But and they
ended up winning. Just just just remarkable, a remarkable doc. Yeah,
So I mean, definitely seek that out. Listen to the
rest of the interview. It's it's I think, certainly worthwhile. Um,

(01:19:31):
just an update on coach Courtney. I think I think
he actually says it in the latter part of the interview,
but he he that was his last year at Manassas.
He went on to another school in the in the
Memphis School District. I think they were runner up his
first year as a state champions and they wanted his
second year. And then as of last he uh, he
quit coaching high school and went and coaches his son's

(01:19:52):
eighth grade football team. And it looks like he just uh,
he just wrote a book as well, with Phil Jackson
writing the forward. So things are going going pretty well
for him. UM up next, kind of shifting now to
to Peter Berg, kind of still staying on that focus
of UM kind of youth football. UM Pete. Peterburg is

(01:20:13):
obviously a well known Hollywood director um actor as well
one of my favorites of all time Aspin Extreme he
played Dexter Rhutucky. Yeah you know what you are. You
are the king of loving terrible movies. Please, that's a
phenomenal movie. Gosh, I will not have you talked about
t J and Dexter like that. But um. He also

(01:20:35):
was a part of Friday Night Lights, the excellent NBC series.
He directed the movie. Yeah, he directed the movie based
off Buzz Bussinger's book, and then it spun off into
the NBC TV series to which he was an executive
producer behind, and he directed the first episode, the pilot episode,
which I think is one of the greatest hours of
TV ever. The pilot episode of Friday Night Lights is unbelievable.

(01:20:58):
And I mean, let's not Connie Brittain, Amy t Garden,
Uh was what was Jeter's Minka, Kelly Sarason and Street
Scott Porter who's always here, uh, you know, Zach Guildford,
and of course Coach Taylor. Yeah. So he he comes
into NFL Network Studios, um, and he's got a blockbuster

(01:21:20):
movie coming out. He's got huge battleship, oh two hundred
million dollar movie Battleship coming out. And he walks in
and uh, you know, we sweatpants, sweatpants T shirt and
at T shirt had he hadn't shaved, and uh, you know,
we kind of before we get started, just kind of
telling hey, you know, we're gonna you know, we'll talk
on this right on the movie. And in a polite

(01:21:41):
but nonchalant way, He's like, I don't. I don't care
about the movie. He's like, there's more important things I
want to talk about. And he's a huge part of
the what now has become the Heads Up Football Initiative,
but essentially getting coaches certified to be able to coach,
especially youth coaches. Yeah, around the country. Because I think
you'll hear him make the point in the interview he

(01:22:02):
says is all you need pretty much as a driver's
license and a night at Chuck for nine dollars or
something like that to to be able to coach. And
he witnessed while scouting for Friday Night Lights, the TV show,
he went to a state championship game in Austin, Texas,
and he witnessed a kid. To this day, when I
hear think of the story, I still get chills, um,

(01:22:23):
he said, fifty screaming fans. He witnessed the kid break
his neck on a tackle, and that was the inspiration
for the Jason Street character to uh become paralyzed in
the first episode because this kid became an instant quadriplegic
and then died. So it's just one of those interviews
that I left just saying having such an appreciation UM
for for for his storytelling ability and um just his

(01:22:47):
passion and love for the game in general. So here's uh,
here's Peter Berg, the director UM from May tent two twelve. Again,
this is just a portion of the interview. It starts
off heavy on some Friday Night Light stuff and then
gets into, uh, into some of the heads up stuff
as well. Uh, You've you've got some Friday Night Lights alums.

(01:23:09):
Taylor kitch Is in this film. You've got Landry Jesse,
Plemons and Riggans are buddies in this film. And I'm
I love both of those guys, and I love working
with people over and again over again. So as a
as a not to all our Friday Night Lights fans,
those guys are in action together. Let me tell you something,
Peterburg about Friday Night Lights. I mean, I've I've told

(01:23:30):
you this off the air and the times that we've
we've crossed paths um again, the film, we we we've
we've been there and that and done that. The television show.
I don't know if we've ever discussed that is. It's
a work of art. And I truly mean this, and
it's not because I'm a football guy or you know,

(01:23:51):
I talked football for a living. To me, the best
scenes where between the coach and his wife, coach and
his family, or the coach struggling with an idea in
regards to his players or his team. And you know,
we had the coach who was featured in the movie
the I mean the Oscar when Undefeated. He was sitting
in the very chair in which you're seeing. We had

(01:24:12):
him on Coach Courtney and I asked him the questions
it always seemed that that your coach was struggling with
on the show. How do you think about stuff on
the spot? How do you deal with stuff on the spot?
Because you think coaches are infallible and that they know
exactly where they're going with each move, and even when
things happen adversity strikes, they always know the right chord
to strike. No, they don't. They don't. And to me,

(01:24:33):
that's what I loved about your television shop and the
chicks were hot. Obviously that helped you. But I mean
all of that together, I don't even have a question
for you. It's just basically congratulations. Appreciate that. And I
have to give a whenever someone says that, I quick,
I'm quick to give credit to our showrunner, Jason Kadam's who. Uh,
you know, it's interesting because I couldn't. I did the

(01:24:54):
pilot and I kind of gave birth to it, and
I need someone to run it. And um, I've met
with four or five guys and uh, you know, they're
all big football fans. I want to talk football. And
and Jason Kiddams came in and said, you know, I
don't really like football and I don't really follow it
that closely. That yeah, and he said, he said, I
I see this as a show about the things you're

(01:25:15):
talking about, human beings. Um. And what I love about
the pilot, you know I've done this pilot is you know,
I get the football and I appreciate it, but but
my strength will be bringing humanity to it and bringing um,
trying to find the truth in those moments of moments
of failure because Buzz Messenger's book it was about failure
more more than more than victory certainly, and then finding

(01:25:38):
the grace and the nobility and the humanness and failure
was kind of what I what I liked about the book.
And Kadams is the one that you know, demonstrated an
understanding of that and I think that's kind of a
lot of what you're talking about. And just the way
you also kept the show alive. It just seemed that
the the stars were very rarely along mind for this show.

(01:26:01):
We didn't. We just refused to quit, you know that
when when because we suffered from you know, ratings from
the get go. But we had such a rabid fan base.
And you know, the the interesting thing about television today is,
you know, with Hulu and with with um Ti vo
and you know, some other ways of recording shows, it's
very hard to gauge how many people are ever watching anything.

(01:26:22):
And we knew that more people were watching the show.
We could tell just from you know, I could tell
from walking through an airport and the amount of encounters
I had people wanting to talk about the show, and
you know, parents thanking me for giving them a way
to talk to their children about sex or drugs, or
racism or you know, any issues that you know, normal parents, violences,
all sorts of issues were raised in this television show

(01:26:46):
through the prism of a small town and and football
and what football meant to this small town. How how
how many real life experiences were woven into this show. Well,
I mean a lot, you know, the main one beinging
um quarterback getting paralyzed and the and the very first
show which was based upon, uh, you know, an experience

(01:27:07):
that when we were I something I experienced when we
were making the film Friday Night Lights. We would film
real high school football games and we were in Austin
filming a game between Austin Westlake, which is a five
A powerhouse high school football team, and a team from
San Antonio San Antonio Madison. And in the fourth quarter
of that game, a young cornerback, David Edwards, left his feet,

(01:27:30):
lowered his head and tackled the receiver kidnamed Coyani and
David Edwards shattered his two vertebrates in his neck, him
an instant quadriplegic. And that was a life changing experience
for me, and that was really what motivated the desire
to make the television show. And you know, so the
Jason Street storyline, a young quarterback at QB having QB one,

(01:27:52):
having everything and and shattering his neck was all based
on something that I had really seen and has since
become a life changing experience for me. Yeah, and you're
and you are. Let's get to this right now then,
Um you because we can revisit the battleship and the
TV show in a minute. You are currently right now. UM,

(01:28:17):
a part of a movement to I guess, teach young kids,
get them really early at the Pop Warner level, how
to tackle that. That is one of the things that
you were dealing. Can you explain to people what this is? Also,
after I saw David Edwards, UM, you know, break his neck,

(01:28:38):
get paralyzed and then eventually die at the age of sixteen,
I became very close with a group called Gridiron Heroes,
which is out of Texas. It's a father's son, Chris
and Eddie Canalis. Chris Canalis was paralyzed in high school UM,
and he was from San Antonio also, and they've sort
of made it their life's work to bring attention to

(01:28:59):
the catastrophic spinal cord injuries. And that's something I got
very became very involved in it. Met dozens of young
high school age boys who have become quadity politics from
playing football. UM, and that then led to they also
worked with concussions and people have suffered brain injuries, and uh,
I couldn't be more I guess current the NFL and

(01:29:22):
so um as my son who's now twelve and a
huge football fan, got closer to you had been playing
flag football, he got closer to the tackle level, and
he finally said, OK, I'm ready that I want to
play tackle football. I was literally paralyzed within decision, and
I couldn't having seen so much um uh tragedy, spinal

(01:29:44):
cord in and concussion, concussive injury, whether it's Jim McMahon
um uh, and you know, or David Edwards, you know,
I've seen so much of this of this problem is
is really resonated personally to me. I was I didn't
know how I could let some play football, and I
was not sure whether I was going to until I

(01:30:04):
found out there was a guy named Bobby Josea who
is becoming more popular, who along with LaVar Arrington, they're
both have both kind of sad sort of said look,
we we feel that we there's no one singles, you know,
one single game changing solution to this problem, but we
but they felt a big part of the solution is

(01:30:25):
if you look at what's happening at the entry levels
of USA football, Pop Warner Football, you get eight year
old kids who were being you know, brought in and
want to play tackle football, and they have coaches who
basically are you know, the requirements for being a coach
today for peewee football. As you get a fingerprint, if
you don't have a felony, okay, you're in. You don't
have to demonstrate anything other than you know, you can

(01:30:47):
love to play Madden and Fantasy football. You have no felonies.
You are now responsible for eight nine ten year old boys.
And these kids have no fundamental training in the physics
of how to tackle. So luck of the draw, whether
you get a coach who knows what he is doing,
what she is doing, and or or not, it's a

(01:31:08):
complete random As long as they have no felony, that's correct,
they're in. And parents it's you know, people have made
the comparison. It's kind of like, Okay, a kid goes
and joins the army. There's no basic training, there's no
boot camp, there's no weapons training. You join the army,
you're giving a gun, you're giving a radio, a helmet,
and you're fighting, go go, and you know that. And
and as a result, kids physically do not understand them

(01:31:31):
the mechanics of how to tackle. It's not that they're
they're lowering their heads to be vicious. They're lowering their
heads because it's easier for a young body to bend
at the waist rather than dip at the hips. It's
easier when the kid gets nervous to lower his head.
And that's how the great majority of the concussions and
spinal cord injuries are happening. People are lowering their heads,
they're bending at the waist. So, I mean, that's just

(01:31:54):
a portion, and they go on for quite a while longer. Um,
but you can just you can just tell that that
it's a guy that cares and and obviously the story
he told us I mentioned he is, without a doubt,
one of the most intense individuals I've ever met. Yeah,

(01:32:15):
I mean, when this guy gets behind a cause that
he believes in, there's no stopping him. And you've seen
it with the heads up football. It's incredible. And obviously
he's a guy too that that has that cares about causes.
We you and I went to see a movie Loan
Survivor together. We were hoping to get Peter back on

(01:32:36):
as well as some of the cast for that show
for that movie. Um, So we went to a screening
a lone Survivor, and I mean that movie about a
war veteran who everyone everyone knows the story, but uh
a a group of soldiers for soldiers who go into
the Acayan mountains pretty much and you know, one guy
comes out and just the way it was shot, the

(01:32:57):
intensity in which he was shot, the way he veterans
in the movie, and throughout like you did with Battleship, UM,
definitely a guy we root for. Yeah. Absolutely, anytime you
know Peter Burke's doing a project, you know what you're
gonna get and you know it's going to be worth
checking out. Absolutely. Um So I know we said also

(01:33:17):
we were going to get to the one of the
ones that I think has been the most impactful, and
we've gotten some of the most responsible, which is Brian Banks.
But hey, we're running a little long and and be
it falls into that category of even even spending three
minutes on it or five minutes on it, you need
to listen to the entire interview. It's one of those

(01:33:39):
stories you need to hear beginning to end, not just
the clip of Yeah. So again, for anyone that's kind
of newer to the podcast. Last June, we had Brian
Banks on UM Brian Banks. It was the wrongfully accused
high school football player at Long Beach cal Poly, same
school that William mc ginnis went to, same school that

(01:33:59):
DeShawn J. Bacson went to, just down the road from
us here uh in in Los Angeles, and he was
falsely accused of rape and in prison for five years
and then parole for another five in the California Innocence
Project just got him off UM and cleared his name.
Last year, actually about two years ago now, he had

(01:34:20):
a try out with the Seahawks, didn't work out, came
back on board with the Falcons last year, made it
through camp UM and then eventually did get cut after
we had him on our show. But he's got a
movie in the works with Spielberg. Um, he's doing the
speaking tour circuit. I mean, this guy's story is it's
it's beyond powerful. It uh it got a little dusty

(01:34:42):
in here, and it also gets you angry that that,
you know, the legal system could do someone so wrong.
And I thought Rich did a great job handling the
interview too, because you know, we had we had notes
and we had some stuff worked out for him, but
we also learned a lot during that interview that we
had no I D and I don't. That's that's again
where we've talked about it a lot, but where the

(01:35:04):
podcast medium comes into play, because the sixty minutes piece
that was on him was phenomenal, but it was ten
minutes long. Any other interview he does anywhere else, it's
ten maybe fifteen minutes. You know, we talked to him
for over an hour, and uh, you know, I think
we got a little bit more out of the story
than you're gonna get most places. But um, definitely seek
that out. We're not gonna play any portion of it now.

(01:35:24):
Was the date on that June of two, and um, yeah,
cook special thanks to his agents Ryan and Bruce Tolner,
who also wrapped a big Ben who helped help make
that one happen. But um, we'll shift gears a little
kind of make the hard the hard right hand turn
from uh, you know, we kind of got a little

(01:35:44):
serious there with Coach Courtney and with Peter Berg and
with with Brian Banks. But um, uh do you know
who are most frequent guests on the podcast has been
uh probably Hankers area, Yeah, Jeff Schaefer and Hank I
think or one or one too and Hank. Hank himself
has only been on the episode on our show three

(01:36:06):
times as himself as an actual Hank, He's been on
eight times as Jim Brackman two seasons ago. We used
to do um place in the month every month with them.
This past year we took him to Super Bowl. He
interviewed Burman. But uh, the last time that Hank was
on as Hank July twenty, my birthday. He was in

(01:36:30):
to promote Smurfs Too, and Rich asked him to tell
the story. Uh. He asked him to tell two stories,
but one of the ones was from the movie Heat
that he shot with Pacino, and the other story was
from Mr Alaska with with with Burt Reynolds and Russell
Crowe and that he could not tell on air, and

(01:36:51):
he almost He's like, hold on, let me think if
there's a way, and then he can't tell. He wanted
to tell it, but he couldn't tell it. He told
us it off air and it's amazing story. I'm sorry
you can't hear it, but the Heat story is second
to none. But the Heat story is good. And do
us a favor because I I didn't realize to see
the after you listen to the Heat story. Google it,

(01:37:12):
google the scene and you can see the video and
it compliments it. It compliments it so well. But this
is Hankas Area from his uh, his appearance on July
twenty two. It's just a short, little, uh, about three
minute clip and he's telling this, uh, this great Pacino story.
Actually it's about four minutes. Here's Hankas Area. I want
to ask you these two questions, and you tell me

(01:37:33):
if you're comfortable, can you tell us the story from Heat?
Can you tell that story on this podcast? Can you
tell that story of you doing the scene with al
Pacino and Heat? Yeah? I could probably get tell about
eighty three percent of can you tell the Yeah, I can.
I can tell that you're in the film Heat. Um,
I think I've told it elsewhere. I think you have.

(01:37:56):
But this is this is many people have seen this film.
Obviously I've seen in which you're you're in with Pacino
with the al Pacino. Yeah, right, Will you please tell
the story of I'll tell that story. Um, very excited
doing a scene with al Pacino where he's interrogating me

(01:38:17):
in the movie Heat. A little a little um tidbit
trivia sideline here it was both our we both have
the same birthday a and it was it was our birthday.
And I remember this, it was my thirtieth birthday and
I actually shot twenty four hours this day. I shot
all night on heat and then I went and shot
all day on the birdcage next day. But that's so

(01:38:38):
that's kind of an amazing you went from that to
being Agador Sparta did what a birthday? It was a
crazy thirtieth birthday. So dare I'm doing the scene with
Al and he's amazing and uh um, he's you know,
he's with with Michael Manner directed it. If you do
one take, you do like ninety you do a lot
of takes of things, and it leaves a lot of

(01:38:59):
room for all to laying around improvised and go crazy.
And I was very if I if I were to
do that scene now as an experience veteran actor, I
would just kind of keep up with Alan improvised them.
But I was nervous and I didn't want to step
on anybody's toes or directors, the writers or als. And
it's like I said to Michael, men should I should
I know, be batting the ball back with Alan? He

(01:39:20):
was like, thought about for a second and went na
just just say what's written with all And so I'm
not improvising at all. I'm just kind of sticking to
the script while Al kinda does this thing um and
uh so Al has a line I say to Al, oh,
why did I get mixed up with this stupid bit,
which is kind of a rhetorical question, and Al answers.

(01:39:42):
His character answers because she's got a great ass, and
you've got your head all the way up in and
on most takes he would just say that, but on
a certain take and you might want to adjust the
volume here, stuttering John On on one of the takes,
I'll just right in my face went like is because
she got a gruadass, you got your head all the

(01:40:05):
way up, which scared the Jesus literally, I mean I
terrified me. Not I don't mean terrified my character in
the movie. I mean terrified me, thirty year old, thirty
year old Hankers area. I was frightened and not acting
at all. I went Jesus, as I said, Jesus, which

(01:40:27):
is not scripted. And uh, I'll improvised off of anyone.
I'm sorry. Something happens to me when I think about
almost asked whatever he said after that? And of course
the one line that I ad libbed that entire night
made it into the film. Yes, because I wasn't acting
at all. I was so when people watch heat and

(01:40:47):
hear you say, you'll see I'll scream that line and
you'll see me. I'm off camera, but you will hear
me say Jesus, I'm watching it right now. And the
reaction on your faces. Your expression is natural, right, you don't.
You don't see me say Jesus, you just hear it.
But the expression when he says then when they cut
back to me, I am absolutely. Look, I don't know
which take out of the but I am. I'm probably

(01:41:12):
it's one where I am genuinely terrified about. Yeah. Oh,
that's one of my favorites. And and um, can you
tell the mystery Alaska story? I cannot? You cannot. Okay, Now, next,
what is the context behind I don't want to say.
I'm not going to go really I can't. It's to
be too talking out of school. There's other people who

(01:41:34):
be angry. I don't want to do that. That's why
I know it's good stuff. I wish I hate that
I can't. That is truly one of my all time favorites. Yeah,
I'm trying to let me just go through the let
me process and see if I can tell any portion
of it. Now, I can't. You can't share. I mean, gosh,

(01:41:55):
I could listen to Hank tell stories for days. I
mean and Heat, uh go, that's one of those movies
you talk about Battleship, good bad movie, Heat, great, awesome
movie that is so rewatchable. You can pick it up
at any given moment if you're just flipping around and

(01:42:15):
it happens to be on TV and you're just locked in,
You're locked in for the for the duration of the movie,
no matter what point it is. I want to see.
Off the top of my head, I think he came out.
I'm not sure. I don't think i've seen that movie since.
Probably I need to go back and watch. I own
it on DVD two he came out. I'm pretty sure

(01:42:37):
that I've seen Heat within the last month on TV somewhere,
and I'm just I just happen to be flipping Val Kilmer, uh,
Tom size More obviously, Pacino and de Niro, Um President
President Palmer, Dennis. Yeah, I gotta I gotta watch it again.
I gotta watch it again. I mean, I remember Rank,

(01:42:59):
I remember Ashley Judd. Who else Danny Trejo is in it? Uh,
it's just it's so remarkable. I can't believes it's been
fifteen years since you've seen that movie. I gotta, I
gotta watch it. Maybe that's got a four day weekend
coming up. I might get to it this week. Oh
you get a four day weekend. Friday's a holiday. Oh well,
I'll be here working here at NFL Network. Well you're getting,

(01:43:22):
you're getting, and I'll be here on Monday, so a
regular to day week. You're here on Monday. Oh yeah,
what are you doing here on Monday? No rest for
the Wicked? My friend? Oh boy? Well, why, we've been
kind of going through some of this, not not any
major news, but the p a t for preseason for
the Hall of Fame game in the first two weeks
of the of the regular seat, or the first two

(01:43:43):
weeks of preseason, they're moving it back to the fifteen
yard line, so they're gonna snap it from so that
essentially it's going to be a thirty three yard extra point,
not gonna make it a chip shot. So that's good.
But although percentages on thirty three yard field goals are
probably way what probably a chip shot? Yeah, pretty much, unless,
of course, who is the Billy Kundiff the last second

(01:44:09):
in the championship game. I can't wait to be trolled
by Ravens fans after that. Bring it on, Ravens fans,
get a real kicker. So we're gonna wrap this up
with one last, one, last little clip here. As I mentioned,
Hank has been the most frequent guests on the podcast.
His Jim Jim brock Meyer uh character has been on

(01:44:29):
eight times. Seek out those videos to those are NFL
dot com. You go to NFL dot com and you
just search Jim brock Meyer or you just go to
Google type of NFL dot com space Jim Brockmeyer. All
of his video archives will come up. The one from
Media Day this year that that we threw together for
the TV show, I mean, the audio is hilarious, one

(01:44:50):
of my videos supplementing it, having the video to go
along and just seeing the look on Chris Berman's face,
him not having any clue who Hank is or what
this character is, and then him repeatedly looking at his
watch and finally just being I gotta go. I gotta go.
I gotta thanks like okay, thanks? Uh So here it is.

(01:45:13):
This is Jim Brockmayer dating back, uh man, I think
I want to say all the way back to uh
the first time we had him on was thousand eleven?
Was I think late two even it might have been
two thousand eleven. I'll to double check that. But here's
the best of Jim Brockmyer. Your legendary career sadly coming
to a screeching halt a few years ago, and the

(01:45:33):
Funnier die video about your life helped really put you
back on the map. I just have to ask you
the question right off the bat about your ex wife,
which is what really sent you into a tizzy on
the air a few years ago. Is everything all right?
Those dark days are in my past. I am very
sorry to my ex wife. I apologize Lucy for all

(01:45:54):
the names that I called you publicly. Only only about
of those were accurate. I don't know where I got
some of that stuff. I called her a Bourbon Streets trumpet,
which is just ridiculous because she's never even been in
New Orleans. Run that special deflection play to Frank o'
harris they've been working on at practice all week. It's
all draftback. He throws the ball, bounces and it works
too perfection. Oh and Harris ba ba ba Betty and

(01:46:16):
the Jets himself down the sideline for the score. I
had no idea. You saw the immaculate reception play in practice.
I saw practice that week. They were trying to work
that out. They had brand show throwing throwing that ball
at everything like it, benches with seats, at passing dogs
that were passing, and at lacquers. Let's see how the
bounce would go. They had to plan for almost every

(01:46:38):
possible trajectory contingency and it paid off for him. And
here's Sam Bradford throwing a Cadillac Williams who doesn't seem
to realize it's a backward pass that is a live football,
and the Giants Michael Boley picks it up and returns
it for the touchdown, then wants this. He tries to
fire it into a wall, but in turn, Marcia Brady's
face gets in the way. You know in my day
and intern how to know how to duck, Otherwise Cosel

(01:47:00):
would nail him right in a kisser with a tumbler
full of Canadian whiskey. I do love watching Team I
gotta say he just he combines all the fiery leadership
of ray Lewis with the with the throwing ability of
ray Lewis. And he is a good kid though he's
he does have uh, everything you want in a franchise quarterback,
except for accuracy, of course, and h and footwork and

(01:47:22):
I guess ball security too. He doesn't have that. And
also the ability to read an NFL defense uh or
just take his nap under center. He's got none of that.
But other than that, he's you know what, he's a
He's a nice kidding, a good looking kid. Here's another
kickoff Mark Maryanny or the Titans attempts to return, but
look who makes the tackle. Texans kicker near Wreckers and
then Rackers celebrates like a single annaly one World War

(01:47:43):
two or something. I'll tell you what. Only a kicker
would throw himself a sideline party for making a tackle.
I mean, you're a football player, sir, that is your job.
You don't hear me celebrating the sound of my own
amazing boys do it? It makes me sick? Can I
just say it? I'm choking on my own bio rich eyes,
and I hate kickers. Careful now, I can't stand though.
I hate hate anybody that kicks anything. I hate sucker players,

(01:48:05):
anybody Francis the mule an. I want to kick the habit.
I hate kickers, and I think they should be drummed
out of the human race. I had an altercation, a
bit of a bit of a tiff with Brent Musburger
about fifteen years ago. I still want to kill the guy.
You think he watches this show? You think so? I'm sure, Hey, Brett,
where was my camera right there? Musburger? You watching this thing?
Because if you are, you see me crossing the street,

(01:48:27):
you better go the other way, pal, because I will
fishhook that smug look right off of your face. Wow,
and how long does this go? Back? Musburger and I
got an argument over the proper pronunciation of the legendary
first Basement Kent total back. Okay, how to pronounce his name?
How do you pronounce the Ryan Fitzpatrick tosses a touchdown
to David Nelson, who then jogs over and gives the

(01:48:49):
ball to his cowboy shooting with a girlfriend. Hey, David,
here's some free advice. Don't volunteer to give them your Okay,
my ex still has mind and it's the reason I
scream into a pillow every night before I go to bed.
And did you know that it's almost impossible to get
tear stains out of Egyptian cop If you're winning ugly,
you cannot stop winning rich eyes and because then you're

(01:49:10):
just ugly. You know. It's like that actor Steves. You know,
he's a wonderful actor. Big starg got his own lovely
TV series on HBO. But if he did not have
success as an actor, he would just be weird snaggle
to Steve, the really too intense guy at the c
see at the office, he got a monkey riding a
dog while being chased by a goat. Now, normally I

(01:49:31):
have to go to one of those small Matt Damon
own zoos to watch three animals get to me at
the same time, But instead I get it during this
very cost effective Denver Broncos halftime show. Hey, maybe next
season they could have a tuxedo to orangutang smoking a
cigar or something at the coin flip and just you know,
go full Red Knick circus on us. Where'd you watch
the game? We rented a baseball stadium. Like you know,

(01:49:54):
I love baseball. I'm a JumboTron. Watched it and what
a group of people we had. Eddie Mecca from the
Vernon Shirley Loda Falana was there. She was my date
for the evening. Do you know that I broke up
with Joe Heatherton to be with Loda. That's what happened. Well,
those are the days. That was last Tuesday, he loos
of the date. All right, I'm excited for this one,

(01:50:14):
rich eyes. And here is Billy Condiff as he sets
up a thirty two yard field goal to send the
a f C Championship game to over time. Okay, center
of the field could not be easier, right, Oh no, no, no, no, no,
Mama Baker Pie and give it to Grandpa because Condiff
gag and pushed it wide left. I was ecstatic, all right.

(01:50:37):
I had to consult my doctor because Condiff's miss kick
gave me that lasted more than four out. And on
that note, we can't say erection on this show. I
think you can just say the word, but in that
contact context, I don't think you can say so interesting.

(01:50:58):
I don't know if I just got bleep. That's always
Oh my gosh, I could listen to Hank do dude
brock Meyer. Well that was fun. I mean I think
you know, hey, you forget about some of this stuff
and be yeah, no question. Hopefully people enjoyed. Um, either
anyone that's new to the show that may not have
heard some of that old stuff, they'll go back and

(01:51:18):
listen to it, or just maybe some of the behind
the scenes kind of stories we were able to fill in.
Speaking of speaking of Latex, how's that website coming with
all the archives? Oh? Well, good, better news. We don't
We didn't need to archive them. We we got a
we we changed uh storage in RSS feeds, you can

(01:51:39):
only have so much, right, We were able to change
some stuff around where uh, we didn't have to create
a secondary archived rich Eyes and Lips and RSS podcast
feed which everything I just said probably nobody understands. I
don't even understand that. But yeah, you're only allowed so
much data storage. So we were able to finangle some

(01:51:59):
st around and get get nothing got deleted, nothing's deleted,
everything's back up. We had to take about a hundred
episodes offline for a month, um, and now they're all
back up, so people can really go back into the
archives without people can go navigating to another site the
full way back and uh and get anything they want.
Episode one with Dan Patrick and Ray Lewis. Episode one

(01:52:20):
DP and ray Lewis, I believe that this. I'll get
your account on the episode here and just one second.
This has gotta be three three, but we're in the
upper two's. Um we are at. This is to seventy four.
This will be episode to seventy lucky number. Yeah. Back
next week though, as we said, Jerry Ferrara in studio,

(01:52:42):
we're efforting one of the uh one of the higher
selected draft picks from the two thousand, uh fourteen NFL draft,
The man himself Rich will be back in studio as
well next week. But that's all I got brought in.
You get an international shoutout. Yeah, that's uh. I mean
you could if you want to tap dance for a second,
Yeah I will. Actually, I uh, I wanted to give
a shout out to UM the Undisputed podcast folks down

(01:53:05):
in uh in New Zealand. Oh I did their podcast?
Were you just on? Yeah? They had me on before
the draft, They had me on. Those guys are great
big rams fans. Yeah. Well, Eagles and Rams fans. Uh.
And then I did another podcast. Remember I met the
guy um uh James Dixon who uh yeah, he emailed

(01:53:27):
us talking about his his weight loss and he was
running a marathon. Yeah, I ran a marathon. Got engaged
him and will they do uh the Tuesday Morning Podcast,
the Tuesday Morning UK podcast. I did that today, so nice.
Shout off to those guys for having me on and
talked about my trip over there that is coming up
in late August. So sweet. Thanks to them. Uh international

(01:53:49):
shout out this week. I can't remember if I did
this guy last week. I don't think so. You did
Slovenia last week? Yeah? Okay, good great? I got Randy
Nason At Randy Nason, he says, traveling through Albania listening
to Monday's episode. This was a couple of weeks, a
couple of weeks ago with the Goods and Tracy Morgan.
Of course I love this Go pats hashtag international shout out.

(01:54:12):
Thanks Randy, and thank you to all of you who
listen to this wonderful program. Awesome metal. Do it for
us for at Chris law that is, at Chris Brockman
for at the EIS and podcast We'll see you next week. Guest,
did you just shout out yourself first? Peace out, stay listening,

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