REP: Willie McGinest and Shaun O'Hara

Willie McGinest and Shaun O'Hara... After taking a few weeks off to enjoy a little summer vacation, the #REP is back with a fresh episode.  The National Football League is in the midst of its offseason and with Team USA advancing to the Round of 16 on Thursday in the 2014 FIFA World Cup, the guys shift the talk from pigskin to soccer. There are still plenty of NFL storylines taking place during the offseason, and to hit on those Rich welcomes in three-time Super Bowl champion Willie McGinest and Super Bowl XLII champion Shaun O’Hara to discuss a variety of topics. Will Johnny Manziel or Brian Hoyer be the starter for Cleveland in Week 1 vs. Pittsburgh? Will the Seahawks repeat or will another NFC West team knock them off? How important is the NFL Rookie Symposium and what more can be done to educate players?   Find out the answers to these questions and more on the latest edition of the #REP. Enjoy, and as always, thanks for downloading!.    

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(01:09):
Hello everyone, and thanks for joining us. I'm Richard Oisen.
I don't download many podcasts, but when I do, I
prefer Rich Eyes and Podcast. Here's your host, Rich Hey, everybody.
The Rich Eyes and Podcast has returned from a three

(01:30):
week hiatus. Welcome to the latest edition Miam Your Humble
host Rich eysen Um back in the NFL Network studios
for the podcast along with my good friends Chris Brockman.
Good to see you, sir, Rich. Happy birthday, buddy. Thank you.
I appreciate that turned the big four five on ju
I feel I feel, I feel great, forty five on

(01:52):
Chris law I appreciate what a new studio, Rich, I
don't really know what's happening. Well, yeah, if it sound different,
do we sound it? We're gonna sound gonna sound a
little this sound proved right were because the podcast studio
that we've been uh we and everyone else in the
NFL Media podcast group have been broadcasting from for the
last what year and a half? Two year? Not two years? Yeah? Yeah, Um.

(02:15):
That's being redone and retrofitted for for cameras. Is that
we're gonna have a few cameras in it. There's gonna
be connectivity right now. The building doesn't speak to the
rest of the building, so they're connecting to fibers. It's
going to be a little more easier to get some
stuff done. Are you saying that there's a left and
a right hand problem? And this organization, say, were we
just talking about wires not connecting between one spot? And

(02:36):
I don't want to get you in trouble, but I mean,
I just want to make sure it's wired. Situa. Okay,
I'm not even gonna say the word because I never
say it correct. What is it? Embidexter ambidextrous? No, ambidextrous,
It's not a dextrous. No, it's ambidext You're like, I
don't know what. We definitely added a value vowel or
and I just added a vowel to vowel. What is happening? Well,

(02:58):
here's the problem. It's freaking freezing. So that's the problem.
It's gonna have travel talking. We are. We're in the
corner of the Red Zone Studio Studio four, Stage four
for those keeping score at home in the NFL Network
stage playbook Rich, How long is Chris Brockman working? Scoring book? UM?
Five and a half almost five? This will be my

(03:19):
sixth season. So I tell Brockman, Hey, we're recording. Can
when we need to go grab William them? Can you
let them know we're on stage four. I didn't know
what you meant either. I've been here when you said
We're on stage four. I I s four, Chris. This
stage that we're in, it's the red Zone studio stage.
We are we are in house Hansen, to use the

(03:39):
Game of Thrones parlance, We're in the corner where I
guess we're in the with the northwest corner, okay, and
we are freezing. It is absolutely a meat locker in here,
probably degrees. It's terrible, Okay, So we're in here. This
used to be the control room for NFL Total Act

(04:00):
Excess when we launched eleven years ago. Makes because the
door all the way to that's being blocked by the
monitor screens that are behind Scott Hanson in studio Stage four,
whatever hell you want to call it. There used to
be a door there that during commercial breaks of Total Access,
I would walk from the stage through that door and,

(04:20):
you know, shoot the you know what with the folks
here and or or say what are we doing in
the next segment, or so they don't have to get
in my ear. I would just walk in and have
face to faces with the producer and the directors. Our
executive producer now Eric Weinberger would be the guy producing
the show. Jennifer Love, who is our I guess executive director. Um,

(04:44):
she would be directing the show and I would come
in through that door into this stage. That was a
control room until I think about five six years ago.
So I don't even know what. If you had said
the old total access control room, I would have known it.
But you said stage four. If you said the red
Zone studio, I have known it. I don't know that

(05:05):
there's a number of signed. Well, they shoot some other
stuff in here around the League, which is now going
to be called around the around the around the NFL.
Is that break? Is that breaking news? Um? Yeah, we
got the rights to do use the the the the
the NFL shield and the local I appreciated you pausing
earlier and saying s out of me. It's as opposed
to swearing because dot prood Gate one seven or bleeps

(05:30):
deep there was a new Well, I'm trying to be
on my best behavior, Chris, because this you know this,
this show, in this situation can go sideways at any
moment time, So you know, I'm just trying. I'm just
trying to behavior. Yeah, they could go at side bottom
at any moment um. So long story short is, we're
we're in a makeshift studio We're in late June, Come
hell or high water, rich, the show goes on. We

(05:52):
are in the dead period, the dead zone on the
National Football League annual calendar. This is truly when we
we can sit here or even at the NFL home
of the National Football Leagues media operations, we could say
there's nothing going on here. There's nothing going on here. Um.
This is certainly when the draft was later than ever

(06:13):
before and it pushed. I mean we saw what June
looked like. I think that's what the league was going for.
The league wanted to have more and more o t
a s go deeper into June and have more NFL
news spread out through the month of June than ever before.
And you know clearly that worked out as there were
media scrums all over Man's l and there was ot

(06:36):
a news coming every which way, a lot of mini
camps last week, the whole situation with Marshawn Lynch is
gonna show for training camp? Did he show here to
show there? They gave out the rings, the beautiful rings
for the Seahawks final were incredible. You knew when Paul
Allen's going to be I didn't see if Balmer, I
mean if Balmer. If Balmer can buy a h an

(06:56):
NBA team for two billion in cash, you know that
Paul Allen was there longer. You didn't sound I haven't
seen hi yet. It must be your stunnach. They're ridiculous,
they're off, They're stupid. My favorite was the green Jewel,
whatever it was to Emerald, the Emerald City, ridiculous, beautiful

(07:17):
in degreen jewel, whatever it was. I think it's got
to be an Emerald, It's got right. Well, um, so
you know that whole business has gone down. But now
clearly when people were working later into May and later
into June, this is the time when people go on vacations.
This is the time when weddings are planned in the NFL.
You know, coaches, when if you're gonna get married. As
the time and vacations actual vacations, general managers can actually

(07:41):
go someplace. This is where people that work here get married.
Also because it's the only time of year they can
play their babies around this. Everybody that you know still
gets married every weekend because you you go off to
a wedding. How many weddings and or bachelor parties have
you gone off to in the last several weekends and
weeks in the past four weeks gone to three and
us not. I got a wedding. One of the weddings

(08:04):
is still coming up, and I've I've turned down to
you've turned down to. Yeah. They were in early June,
late May, still kind of in busy season. I couldn't.
I couldn't make it, but you've gone to I don't
understand that, but let's be let those people are just
not as important to you know, they're they're important. But
the one in Maine is one of my my, my

(08:26):
best pals. I married them again. I did my second
wedding while I was mid Chris Long. It's kind of dulous.
A man who is world renowned for talking about dogs
and airplane aisles. It was a beautiful ceremony for marrying people.
It's a beautiful cere Shout out to h anybody. It's
just it's what he says. If anybody objects to this

(08:48):
holy matrimony, please go into the aisle and take a time.
I actually get on all fours. I didn't even raise
a leg. That's the that's his toast. Everybody get down
on all fours and raise legs. In the married tweet,
the event but we have to stop the proceedings and
change rooms because somebody has pooped. Sean hadn't one of

(09:14):
our guests who's coming out, John O'Hara and William McGinnis,
they're going to be joining us here when I was
asking them their schedules earlier before they come on a
little later. Uh. Scott Hansen is hosting Total accessy so
he was there and was the first time he saw
me since all this, and he was like, dude, that
just blew up. And Scott's like, Sean's like, what are
you talking about? And He's like, you didn't hear? And
then Scott told him the whole story. Sean was current,

(09:37):
that's like, that's like the story that was great. And
by the way, worms World Cup um analysis has turned
out to be in many ways spot on. Where he
said that Team USA would have no chance to advance
if it did not at least get a point from Ghana,
and if they won, they'd have a better chance to
get out. And the first matches of that group g

(10:01):
we're crucial, where the US beat Ghana and Portugal got
boat raced so badly by Germany that the US could
lost to Germany on the tape day here and still
got through because Portugal the gold differential had a poor
gold differentially. That was one of the things he got wrong.
Listener at Will gave from the UK shot me a
note saying, you want Germany to crush Portugal, not for

(10:24):
it to be close, because you want that gold differ
that worked out that I have watched so much of
it was so good. I just love it. It's just
it's just it really is great. Although the diving I
can't handle it. I can't handle the diving, the whole
business of getting hit and then going down in a

(10:48):
big heap and making a big deal of it for
a minute, and then getting the getting the spray on
whatever spot ails them, and then come back in and
run like a deer, run like a gazelle, like nothing
ever happened. But there was one game I figured what
it was. The guy played through the contact and it
led to a goal, and it was like, why don't
they all do this? Because they're trying to get a penalty,
they're trying to get a foul, trying to get a

(11:09):
free kick, all of them, and and and let's be honest,
some of them are actually hurt. They might be introduced
some serious contact that's going. When you saw Josie Altador
go down for the end in the first match, did
you just assume that he was kind of faking. I
assumed it was over. I assume, like, oh my god,
that's it for him and we may not see him

(11:29):
the rest of the tournament. No, I didn't get that.
There was one guy I forget who it was who
went down. He you know, concted's on a header and
went down in a heap. This isn't one of the
first matches of the tournament, and to the point where
all his teammates are standing above him and furiously waving

(11:50):
for help, and I thought, oh god, this is now
finally one of those World Cup injuries that's truly serious.
He gets up, and it was because he reacted in
such a way as did his teammates that the ref
was gonna kick him out of the game because he
had a head injury, and the player essentially waved his
finger at the ref like, no, you're not taking me

(12:11):
out of this game. And I think, if I'm not mistaken,
I think Eric Winston of the Players Association tweeted out
something along the lines of it might have been him,
or it could have been Fagitta. You know, I guess
there's no concussion protocols. And returning to World Cup game
where the player essentially told the ref you are not
taking me out of this game, ran around like a deer.

(12:32):
Be surprised that that doesn't happen more often with these
guys jumping up for headers on corner kicks. The elbows
that go up for the worst because when they get
you know, the competitive elbows by a kick on a
head of the guy's going for the header and his
kick comes up like a roquette, like comes up like
a roquette trying to kick it. Unbelievable. But I mean

(12:53):
all of that, even with all of that and the
American gamesmanship, they we don't do it. Our team doesn't
do it nearly as much as the best of of
of the World Cup field. The gripans, Oh, I forget
what which player took his sweet time checking in at
the end of the Portugal match where the the official
was going to give four minutes of extra time. Yeah,

(13:13):
at an extra minute in which Ronaldo gave the most
incredible cross. That's the thing about this also that I
love watching. How do you kick a ball from where
Ronaldo kicked it and and nail it into a point
where it's going to hit your teammate on the forehead
in the right spot. I mean, with the velocity and
the it's like a curveball, almost a pitcher of the way.

(13:35):
And how when Brewster came in and he made the
comment that football is opera. Soccer though, is more so
like it is such a finesse footwork timing sport that
when I saw some of this, that's what I thought of.
I thought of Bruce Tarn's line, football is opera, and
he had it right. With football, I think it's more

(13:56):
so the other football. I'd love to try and incorporate
the language of football in the first week of our
football where where we say Cleveland are going with Manzel
week one right nil nil out here, you know, refer

(14:17):
to that, refer to the team is the city is
the plural right, and call the field the pit browns,
the call of the pitch equalizer. If there's a flee flicker,
that's that's cheeky. That's cheeky. Can we get if if somebody,
if somebody has a personal foul, like in Dominican su
does something crazy it's a momentary bit of madness, right

(14:43):
can we do that? They're leggy? How long can we
keep that up? To you? Thanks? I think we could
probably last, you don't know before people got sick of it.
We do. We do a bit of madness a simulcast
podcast with the game and we have dirt comming and
call it played as a podcast. And I know a

(15:03):
lot of our UK listeners are are well aware of
his work. He has been just a pleasure. I got
a lot of tweets. He's a he's a boxing announcer
over there and people were saying how incredible that call is.
Martin Tyler is great too. I don't think he's doing
it for ESPN this year. We're saying the sportsmanship though.
One thing I watched we're taking this on a Thursday.

(15:24):
USA played earlier today. Um. One thing I saw that
was kind of cool when Dempsey went down late in
like the eightieth minute, he got another elbow to the head.
He went down. The Germans, to their credit, kicked they
had the ball clear possession. He kicked out of bounce
to give him time to get up. Then when the
US got the possession because they kicked it out the
us wrote it right back to the Germans and gave

(15:45):
them possession back. And I thought that was just a
cool sportsmanship moment, like you're playing for your life here
in the World Cup and they kick it out, we
give it back. Kind of a cool little moment. So
it's been fun watching the World Cup and to our
our US soccer teo, yeah, how about that. It's like
we're gonna get Belgium. Belgium's up one ya Italy, Yeah,

(16:07):
Italy's out, Italy's out, Spain's out. Both of them. Both
of them were favorites. It's not a big team out
of England. England, did you see that? No show? Did
you see that that photo? That that photo I tweeted
where it's a shot of Messy and it says carrying
Argentina and a shot of Naimar carrying Razil and then

(16:30):
a shot of a British Airways airplane saying carrying England.
Did you come up or did do you retweet that?
I retweeted that that's because that's great with that. I
don't want to do our UK listeners like that, but
I'm right. I did say in the whole conversation with
the Worm that England they're like the get Jets, just
waiting for the trapdoor to open up. And man, did

(16:53):
it almost right. They were three. A lot of tweets
about that, that analogy that they loved you. I'm not wrong.
I'm not wrong. I mean Wayne Rudy had a header
that I think hit the crossbar and the post right
or at the corner. He almost hit it, and as
he was diving into he had three chances and he
finally scored. At least at least he could. He went

(17:15):
plugs too, didn't he Alright, let's get our guys in
here and has promised here on our our show. Two
guys straight off the NFL Total Access set joining me,
three times Super Bowl champion Willia mc ginnis. Good to
see you and Willie. How are you, Bud, I'm great, Rich,
I'm here. We're having fun. We're about to have some fun. Yeah,

(17:38):
law you got him up, You got him potted up,
as they say in the business. I know, I know,
we already explained at the top of the show. I understand.
You don't need to keep repeating it. It's just another
it's just another fallback for the late texting thank you
uh and Super Bowl champion of the New York Giants,
Sean O'Hara. Good to see you, sir, Thank you rich,
good to be seen. Are you got and I could
see you? Uh? You have availed your off of the

(18:00):
free food outside? Yeah here, I've never met a drive
by grazing that I didn't like. Well, I mean, what
what what this is for? It's a It was a
I guess a conference in diversity. So um, and I
guess who better to graze the free food for diversity
than a white irishman like yourself, Shawn. So well done,
very very well done. Yeah, I know we're divers diverse, fying.

(18:23):
I'm actually black Irish. Are you really just like just
like black Irish? You're black Irish also, but a different
black guy, just like Louie Knicks. Right, yeah, he's Irish chocolate. Okay,
now that we've got that. Also, black Irish is light hair,
I mean a dark hair, light eyes. I didn't know that.
But your your Swiss? Well are you guys paying attention

(18:43):
to the World Cup? Are you guys locked in? I
watched it today? Well not just well listen, the not
just one thing. It's just that you're not just the USA, right,
I mean I'll watched the Nigeria, I watch Portugal, I
watched the Germany game yesterday, I watched Ghana. I watched
a bunch of games. Okay, you got it all gone,
you know it all gone. I don't have it all.
I don't have There's fift different scenarios how they can

(19:04):
get in and qualify, so I don't have it all down.
Apparently everybody gets in. Well we are. We are taping
this in the midst of the final UH group matches
of the two thousand and fourteen World Cup, and it's
just been it's just been fascinating to me, you know,
and and I know that's what everybody the rest of
the world calls their football. Um, it does have me

(19:26):
jonesing for the NFL a little bit to a little
bit more that we're on the cost obviously of of
training camps opening up in about three weeks time or
about a month away, but just seeing the big pageantry.
With all due respect to the NBA Finals and and
all due respect to the Stanley Cup, which was spectacular,
these World Cup events have the similar sensation to me.

(19:50):
That's it's closer you can get to an NFL took
me a little while to to sink my teeth into
this World Cup pun intended. It's nicely done. But I
will say this, the fan aspect of it. I mean,
I find myself riveted to the TV just I mean,
I I now know what fans experience on Sunday mornings

(20:10):
now when their team is out there and and and
they're hanging on every catch, every yard, every tackle cutter
and Russia first year. I mean, but this is exciting.
I mean, it's well, it really And but for what
you're saying, I mean, there's a nationalistic aspect of this
whole country you're watching. You know. I was explaining to

(20:31):
my oldest son when the Ivory Coast played UM Japan
in the first match of their tournaments, that this is
a team from Africa playing a team from Asia in
South America and you're a five year old boy sitting
in your house in North America and every place I
just mentioned is watching it. And it's entirety, every single

(20:52):
place is watching it. It's entirety. And and you know,
with the NFL, there is a obviously, regions are important.
The national interest in the game is something that we
don't see in any other American sports. But I mean,
this is kind of I mean, that's no. I'm talking
about nation wide, coast to coast in America. Every town

(21:14):
is interested in the game. Doesn't matter if you're a
Tennessee Titan fan taking on Jacksonville Jaguars are not. And
perhaps fantasy football has a lot to do with that.
But you know, it's pretty incredible. I have to be
the first to admit I wasn't a big soccer fan
and I just started watching and I'm not gonna watch
doing a regular season, but the World Cup, when you
see the energy and they have some of the best celebrations,
I didn't know it that they celebrate. They give them

(21:35):
time like they take a time they take a time out.
They take a time out to let the guys cell
and the guys come off the bench, I think, and
all that. Don't you think Belichick could use a little
Miguel Herrera in him, the coach of Mexico who's like
diving around and jumping up and down with every score.
With Belichick, Ever, what's the most you've ever seen Belichick celebrate?

(21:56):
He's jumped on guys. You see a lot of fist
pump and um. The Super Bowls, you get a lot
more because it's over. You know, you can let it
all go. He doesn't have to save anything. But you
know on big plays you catch him every now and
then jumping up and down. And what NFL coach would
be the best soccer coach? And Pete Carroll and Pete

(22:17):
Carroll and Rex, that would be bad? Rex went yeah
at the US Portugal, Yeah yeah, he was. Yeah. I mean,
why wouldn't you You run with the bulls, you might
as well go to a world key is he goes
from Pamplona to to He's blending in there. He is
binding in there. So what is the number one storyline

(22:39):
you think going into training camps? Willie? What he got
from me? Let's front load. We always like frontloading the
interview and the uh always frontloading the storylines. What do
you think? I don't know if it's the number one,
but I can I can tell you we're gonna talk
about if Manzell is gonna win the starting job in Cleveland.
I think the quarterback situation in Cleveland versus you're all

(23:00):
attention he's getting. He hasn't played one down. Uh. The
off the field appearance is just his just just just
his persona everything about him. Even at the Rookie Symposium,
they're asking other players, well, have you met Johnny Manzelia Like, no,
I haven't had an opportunity to meet him, but uh,
you know it sounds like a really good guy. I'm
gonna go over and introduce myself. I'm like, oh, you

(23:20):
guys are in the same playing field. Doesn't that mean though,
for sure? Just even in that respect, how does Petton
not give him the job? The only way is if
is if Manzelm spits up all over himself and shows
no um, no interest, just no interest in in nicely done,
but no interest in in the professionalism side of things,

(23:43):
which everybody has said pretty much to a man that
he he does have, that he does have that night
more than nine to five mentality. Right now, I think
what Mike Petton has going for right now is the
fact that Ray Farmer has already gotten in front of
that and he's basically taken control of this whole celebrity
of Hnni Man'zellen said, Look, he's our backup quarterback, and
you know what, we're gonna make him earn everything. So

(24:05):
the fact that it came from even above Mike. Now,
Mike and say all right, you know what, I don't
have to I don't have to really defend all of
that right now. But even with that shot, I think
that was a mistake. I think Rich when you said
give him the job, I think the one thing we
have to remember as going into training camp, everybody should
be with new coaching staff, knew everything. Everybody should be

(24:26):
on the even playing field. And if Johnny goes out
and earns the job in training camp in preseason, and
he is the better player, then I think he deserves
to start. I don't think you should give him anything
based on his celebrity, like you said, Sean, But if
he goes out and he outplays Harrier, then he deserves
the job. Now, if Horrier holds it down, he's clearly
the better quarterback, then you start the better quarterback. Whoever's

(24:49):
going to give you the best opportunity going into the
season to win football games and lead your team. I
think that's that's that's how it should be done. Well,
what if they're even in the preseason, who would you
gotta go with Joe Man just because comes to the experience,
Because of the experience, he's already had game experience, he's

(25:11):
already but but you're not going to win a super
Bowl in Cleveland this year, you might as well get
Johnny Manziel the redsul speed because he's Johnny Manziel in
that town just doesn't desperate need of but of something.
Freak thank you, thank you. It's another, it's another. It's
another way for Blake Bortles to get a red shirt

(25:33):
because he's not Johnny Manziel. And it's and it's and
it's Jacksonville. Okay, yes, And by what I say it's Jacksonville,
I mean that Jacksonville has been to the playoffs and
won a playoff game. Correct? Didn't they win a playoff
game to come to come visit you, to come visit you?
They want, they won the right to come together. They

(25:53):
were four two, they have won, They've won. I think
they Cleveland has only been to one playoff game since
coming back into exist two two. I was there for it.
We lost to Pittsburgh. We were up, We're up twenty points.
The same day that the Giants lost to the forty
niners in San franc We should have never lost that game.

(26:14):
Tommy Maddox came in and shredded our defense in the
second half. So you must know, you know the town.
I'm pulling for Cleveland. I mean, they need they need this.
They need Johnny Manziel to to come in and and
to beat everything that is hype is presenting him to be.
They need it. The town needs it. Especially was about

(26:36):
to say, especially after Lebron teaches them weeks. I mean,
there's been a cloud hanging over coming. He's coming back.
But but but that's what that's the challenge. The challenge
is how do we harness all of this hype for
the betterment of the team. I mean, everybody is putting
all of Cleveland's hopes on Johnny Manzel's shorts, whether it's
fair or not, and I get it. But I really

(26:58):
think that for the future about the Cleveland Browns, he
should not start Week one. I think that would be
too soon. Keep in mind he left as a junior,
so he's still young. I mean, he's he's I just
I think for Johnny Manzel, for his long term growth,
the best thing for him and for the Browns would
be for him to not be the starter. Doesn't hype
doesn't win football games. And I agree with Sean. I

(27:19):
was there with Brady Quinn the whole Brady Quinn. They
wanted him to be the starter, and he took him late.
He's Ohio guy. He's a fan favorite, and I think
the Cleveland Brown fans have learned from that experience. Yes,
he has a lot of hype and a lot of
celebrity and all that, but we want to it's time
for us to win football games. Who's gonna give us
the best chance to win football games. We love that

(27:40):
he does all these things and he's the social media
king and all that, but like Sean said, they deserved
to start winning football games, and who is better Johnny Manzel,
Brian Hoyer, Let's let's let's let's battle out on the field.
I love the I love how your guys brought this
up first. And I know there's gonna be some people

(28:03):
rolling their eyes listening to this show. So there just
goes Johnny Manziel again. There he goes everybody talking about
him again, peeps into everything. But he brother, he moves
the needle. I mean he absolutely does, There's no question
about it. And the last I hope he plays Week
one and against Dick lebow Ian hines Field. That would
be absolutely fan Let me just say that, absolutely stupendous.

(28:28):
It would be great for television, it would be great
for theater, as fan interest. As a player. If I'm
if I'm a veteran in the Cleveland Browns, I don't
want Johnny Manziel playing Week one. Listen. I came in
with Eli, all right, and I don't think Johnny Manziel
is even close to having the acute the mental acuity
that Eli did coming out of college. And I'm thinking
with Eli, with Peyton and with Archie, and and Eli

(28:50):
wasn't ready. And so I when I look at that comparison,
I said, Wow, Eli, Eli struggle when he first came
in and just grasping the offense, understanding everything that's going on,
and Hurt started that season. Now, and even when Eli
came in and started, we didn't win a game until
eli seventh and final start. Eli struggled mightily. I mean
he came in, he had a zero point zero quarterback

(29:11):
right against Baltimore Ravens. So if Johnny Manzel plays against
Pittsburgh Stealer and Dicla Bow and that defense, they're bringing
Mike bul Cross dogs in the A gaps all day long,
and they're gonna have Johnny Manziel running ragged. He's gonna
be He's gonna have his tongue out, But I might
be good for him, so that mightn't It won't be.
Look what happened to David Carr. I mean when I
was in Cleveland, Tim Couch. I came in two thousand,
that was his second year, and I think his growth

(29:34):
was stunted because he came in a ninety nine and
they expected him to resurrect this Brown's franchise and they
put it on Tim Couch and he wasn't ready for
it either. And wasn't Couch and Quinn, the two guys
you mentioned chosen with the same the greatest players in
SEC history. This isn't college Tim. There is a lot

(29:59):
of Dorsey Broke records. I mean, he had a great
college career too. It doesn't always translated to Kim Dorsey
another bus from THEE. That's what I'm saying. It doesn't
always resonate in the NFL. And when like shot alluded
to earlier, when you say a quarterback thrust it into
that position, we had perfect example last year with the
New York Jets. When Sanchez went down, we thought he

(30:22):
would probably go in as a starter. Geno Smith had
to come in and he struggled. I mean it was
up and down. Those sixteen starts should put him on
better footing this year. And the Jets weren't going to
win the Super Bowl last year, and Rex Ryan still
saved his job because the team played their asses off
for him and finished eight and eight anyway, so that's
better you lose one of your better receivers. I think

(30:44):
Petton should have a competition. And if it's anywhere in
your close, it's Johnny Manzel. Well if it's even, if
it's even, he's gonna get it anywhere close. Even if
Hoyer is even a slight step at he's just just
just saddle him up and see what he can do.
Already that that that's yes, Wow, it's correct. Hoyer is
is really the question mark in this whole thing because
one a few games and he did look good. He

(31:05):
did look he did look good. He's coming off of
an a c L of his own. And you won't
you guys know that Brady took a year to get
back from that sort of thing, you know, and so
you know, we we'll have to see how that think. Like.
So let's let's go let's go one A. Then if
that's one, I guess, I mean, what it is you
want to go right to the next the big story, Well,
I don't. I don't want to make it all about rookies.

(31:25):
I mean I think I think Peyton's gonna be I mean,
Payton's always a story. Um, that's gonna be interesting. Him
coming back after having the touchdown record breaking season in
the NFC West is the end all in battle. I mean,
that is the power division of this league now, I know,
and the Rams that I'm curious to see what they
are going to do and what they are going to

(31:46):
look like in Arizona in year two of Arians joining
this fight, that is the toughest in all of football.
That's the group of death. The NFL is the the
World Cup analogy right now. Yeah, let's keeping division. Let's
to us wasn't expected to come out, so maybe then
unexpected comes out of maybe. I know the Rams that
listen to Bradford can stay home. There you go about

(32:08):
the key. But if he can stay healthy and put
up decent numbers. They have a ton of talent there
they do, I mean a ton of offensive talent. Isn't
this this is Isn't this a big year for Sam Bradford.
I mean, they have to figure out what they're going
to have to figure out what they're gonna have to
do with him. This is pretty much they've done enough,

(32:30):
in my opinion, to put guys around them. You can't
you can't use as excuse anymore. It doesn't have weapons
around them. Um, the defense is going to be really good.
I think they've they've competed in that division the last
couple of years. They've been one of the teams that
really if you look at the San Francisco forty niners,
they have a winning record in the last two years
in that division. So they just got to get over

(32:53):
the outside of the division pretty much. Well, it's a
big season for Bradford two. And also everyone in St.
Louis that that that has decided to stick with him,
right because they passed up on r G three and
choose any quarterback in this year's draft. They passed up
on those two opportunities to replenish with a young quarterback.
But you know, Jeff Fisher has that, I mean and

(33:15):
less need has built I think maybe the best defensive
line in football. Am I wrong? I think that where
they you have to say they're in the top three.
They were, they were at the top three last year.
And then you add in Aaron Donald, Now I mean, yeah,
they they they are gonna wreak having So going back

(33:37):
to Sam Bradford now with that great defense, I think
the pressure is on him even more because he has
a great demons alec Ogletree. I thought he really played
well last year. You and you make him next ut
that division is brual um. I'm trying to imagine if
I'm trying to think what other division, what what division
plays the NFC West. I mean, I know the Giants

(33:59):
go out to Seattle, UM and Dallas. That's so I
think the NFC East does too. Yeah, because that was
that was one of the options for the first game
of the season, was Dallas and Seattle because it would
have been the Cowboys going there in the Romo like
the Romo Snap and all of that sort of business.
Instead they went they went to Fail Mary to start
the season. But yeah, it's the NFC East that's going

(34:21):
to play the NFC West this year, and holy smokes,
I mean they are so good. Seattle to me should
be the favorite to win and I say it. I
think absolutely why not they didn't they The only guy
they really lost of significance is on the defensive line, right,
And there's their their their NASCAR, so they get people

(34:43):
in there all the time. What they lost Red Bryan
and they lost um Clemens to the first time. So
so the question is, though, I mean, you take a
look at their defense. Otherwise they're untouched. Their coaching staff
is untouched. They lost two lost Brown and lost I
mean well, I mean they won the Super Bowl without

(35:05):
one of them, I know, and he was crucial. He
was crucial, that's true. So they did lose him too.
I think Seattle should be the favorites to win it
again and should always be as But every year though, no,
I mean with the Ravens coming into last season, everybody
thought because they lost Bolden and they got gutted ray
Lewis was retired and Read was gone, that the whole

(35:26):
mojo was changed, And sure enough we saw that was
the case. And then the year before that. You know,
with all due respect to the Giants, every year they
win it, they went you know, six and six before
going on a run for the Ages. So they aren't
really one of the only team that you could think
of in recent memory that you you could say they
should have repeated. Maybe the Packers, right, the Saints because

(35:49):
they went on such a great run the year before,
But the what why shouldn't seven and one, eight and
oh at home which means they only have to go
five hundred on the road, And if San Francisco slips
up at any point, that means they Seattle wins the division.
I think San France is the only reason why Seattle wouldn't,

(36:10):
so I agree. Do you think they did enough on offense?
Do you think Seattle did enough this offseason? On off
They had a superb Super Bowl get it with a
bunch of guys you've never heard of team now. I
think Golden Tater is going to be a nice addition
for Detroit. But in terms of a subtraction for Seattle,
I don't think that's in the Super Bowl like he
made that he made the difference on special teams, he

(36:31):
had a big return. Well he's been gone, yeah, but
we're he was invisible the whole year. Baldwin and Curse
were in the playoffs big time. If you compared to
Ford and IROs offense or the Seahawks office right now,
who would you take with the addition to Steve Stevie
Johnson coming over the forty ladies, higning going to be

(36:57):
just the Ohio State Carlos Horlos, I mean from South
Carolina is the best. They have the best old line
in the NFL right out of the fours. So few
years ago they drafted there too, those two guys Party

(37:17):
and uh Alex Boom. I don't know, man, I just
think special team seattles An. I like Seattle a lot.
You always have to give the champs in edge. You
always have to give the champce in age they get.
They get the advantage because they are the Super Bowl.
I'm very I'm very high. And field advantage is truly
a home field advantage. And I think you know, Rich,
you go on the road a lot with Thursday night

(37:38):
games and you see, I mean in the NFL, it
seems like the home field advantage is really kind of
disappeared as lately. But Seattle, it is absolutely an advantage
to go in there and to try to come away
the victory. I mean, Arizona the only team that did
it last year. Well, you guys both won Super Bowls.
What's that next year? Like? Is it. Is it an
individual thing as to who stays hungry or is it
a team thing because somebody's get complacent, right and you

(38:00):
think you've made to the top of the hill, and
you don't, you don't do what you did the previous offseason.
Maybe you know, Tom Coffin had a sign up in
our team meeting room that said practice and prepare as
if you lost your last game, and that was kind
of the mentality, and you try. It's hard to do
week in a week out. It's even harder to do
after everybody's been doing this all off season. Congratulations, great job.

(38:22):
So yeah, that hunger aspect of the eye the tiger.
I mean, look, I'm a big Rocky fan. You know,
you got the belt, you know, you win a couple
of defense titles, but you know at some point you
gotta get back in the gym, you gotta get hungry again.
So that's definitely that's a challenge for that for that
Seattle team, every one of them. I haven't seen the
latest one Rocky five got. I mean, Tommy gunn that

(38:44):
that was a little bit of a stretch. But one
thing I think that the latter four was phenomenal. The
last Rocky movie was also called Cocoon three. I thought
I gotta mixed up with the expendables. I didn't. I
don't know which one it was. Refused him on those
from you know, I think it also depends on your
on your coach. We went to a Super Bowl two

(39:04):
thousand one, We're flying high. I got a little complacent.
Didn't make the playoffs the second year. It was really humbling.
I mean it was it was humbling, and everybody kind
of came together. A group of guys we had were
special because we came together as like guys that wasn't us,
like we we kind of took it for granted and
we went back to work. And then Belichick also took
a little bit of blame and said, I let you

(39:25):
guys become complacent. That's my fault. So we wanted again
and it seemed like we didn't win a Super Bowl.
He when we went back into work, it was like, hey,
you guys, that's over. Like it was short lived. We
didn't get a chance to really. He kept us in
the same molde. He kept us, you know mentally, Uh,
the way we prepared everything is like who cares like

(39:47):
you gotta keep doing it if you want to be
known as one of the you know, the great teams
of all time. You could do it once. You know
a lot of teams can do it once. But if
you guys keep stringing together, then you put together something
special so that click for you know, and and there
you're still the last team to have repeated. And that's
why I just think that Pete Carroll is gonna get

(40:10):
that mentality right. I think he's already gotten that mentality right.
And on top of it all, I think Seattle is
still going to be able to play the chip on
the shoulder. I think that they're going to still that
that that Richard Sherman is still piste off that he
was taken in the fifth round, that all of these

(40:30):
guys are still piste off, that nobody thought that they
could do it last year with Peyton Manning coming in.
And I think I said this a couple of months
ago on the podcast that one of the things we're
going to realize this year is that Seattle is a
national team. They're not just this this hamlet in the
Pacific Northwest with the zany fans were really loud that

(40:53):
we're going to find out that that team is a
national following on of the likes of Green Bay and
Dallas in Pittsburgh, and um, we're gonna learn that this year.
And still their people don't take them that seriously because
they're different outside of their stadium blah blah blah blah blah.
And I think play that card. They're gonna play that card.

(41:15):
I talked to two guys, and it's interesting you say that.
I talked to Tate and I talked to Russell Wilson,
and these guys all feel like they were looked over,
you know, not not the high draft picks like Earl Thomas,
of course, but the Russell Wilson's, the guys that was traded,
Cliff Ariels, Uh, Michael Bennett who felt like he wasn't
wanted anymore in Tampa Bay. All these guys feel like

(41:37):
they they were looked over and and teams kind of
just said, hey, you guys are not good enough and
we're gonna keep going with Russell was the hype thing,
or you don't fit the prototype of a quarterback. So
speaking to him, he's still really because he still wants
to prove he can be one of the best quarterbacks
to ever play the game. Not just win super Bowls
and a guy like take, he just was walking around angry.

(41:58):
I was like the entire teams walking around with a
chip on their shoulder, like you said, rich And like
you said, I don't think one super Bowl is gonna
feed that appetite. I think they're gonna want more and
more and more, especially since they got a taste of it.
This week. Uh. Law Brockman and I were at a
premiere of of a TV show that's coming to the

(42:19):
Discovery Channel in July called American Muscle. It's about a
gym in Detroit, the Detroit area run by a fella
named Mike Barrows, who's one of the top strength coaches
in the last quarter century in the collegiate level. Who
after rich Rod got blown out in Michigan, Barrow's decided
not to go stay at a job, even though Brady
Hoak wanted him to stay. Um, he didn't go anywhere

(42:40):
except his own gym. And it's a it's a it's
a fascinating documentary about people who come to the gym
and um, you know, there's regular folk and then there's
top notch athletes. And in the premier episode that we
saw Richard Sherman stopped by the gym, and there is
a scene in this opener where they asked him what

(43:02):
happened between you and crab Tree. Now, this thing was
probably shot a good month and a half after after
the crab Tree probably about the same, Probably was late February,
a couple of weeks after this, because if you remember, um, yeah, yeah,
it was one of the kids was getting ready for
the combine and then Sherman called before his pro day.

(43:23):
So bottom line though, is the fires had cooled from
the field, and if you remember, Sherman bottled that whole
story up, and so did Seattle because they didn't want
to make that part of a week. And he was
asked about crab Tree. But he's sitting in a room
with seven other athletes. No, no, no gym instructor, no,
no one else. It's just other athletes. And another guy

(43:44):
asked him, So he's kind of in that comfort zone.
But he's fully where as you know, when Sherman was
fully where there were cameras there and Ratchet Sherman fully
is aware what his words mean and how how certainly
the post championship game and Super Bowl experiences hammered that
point home. Is how his words can resonate and and
how people, you know, certainly documentaries that are trying to

(44:06):
break through and the Discovery Channel might use the scene
of convenience. I'm telling you, you're gonna see it. You're
gonna hear it. What he said in response to Crabtree
was as off the charts as it was the day
he said it to Aaron Andrews and in the days subsequent,
and he was still pissed, Yes, pissed. Do you know

(44:29):
why he was pissed? Wish did he give it? Did
he give it to give you? He said, he Well,
he said that there was something that had gone on
between the two of them. Fire He would not he
did not fill in those blanks we heard Larry Gerald
there was something that happened. Okay, you're getting warm and
keep filling in the blanks. Well it happened, Well what happened.

(44:51):
There was a pool party of some sort for Larry
Fitzgerald celebrity thing, and Sherman came in to this event
and he was shaking hands his friends. A lot of
the San Francisco forty nine. He was shaking hands to
some of the guys and saying, what's up. So whatever
happened prior to one of the games a little little talk,
Sherman totally forgot about it, and he went up to Crabtree.

(45:13):
This is what I'm told from guys really really really
close to the situation, and he was like, what's up.
Crap and crap you know, said and you know certain
things I can't say. Get your soul and soul hands
out of my face. And he was like, dog, what's
what's wrong? Like Richard had totally forgot what took place
or what he was upset about. And Crabtree continued to

(45:36):
go on and on and on and kind of challenged
him to say, I should kick your you know what
right now, and they got going back and forth. So
it started back and forth like you know what we're at.
I don't want to disrespect you know, Larry's event when
we see each other. I'm gonna beat Joe you know
what on the field. Blah blah blah blah. Okay, So

(45:57):
now this game, the NFC Championship had I think, now,
now this gives it extra context to the extension of
his hand after the game, So now it becomes the
Twitter thing. Everybody's going back and forth is like if
I get you, give me my props. If you get me,
I'm gonna give you your props. So it comes down
to the final play. Sherman wins the play. He goes over, dog,

(46:22):
it's over. We want to give me my props, blah
blah blah, good game. Not only did he mushing, but
some words came out as well, and that's when Richard
Sherman lost it, and a lot of people don't know
that there were there were other words exchanged before Richard
Sherman went on his rank and it was disrespectful and

(46:44):
all he said was dog like, pretty much, give me
my props. Good game. This whole story and again when
you see this this show on the Discovery that are
good friends at Funny or Die At. The producers of
this show jum it's called American Muscle. And trust me though,
they're going to be smart funnier diets run by some
of the smartest people, and the producers are smart Discoveries.

(47:07):
People are smart. They're going to get this video out everywhere.
You will see it. It's not it is it is
not no American it's about actual it's not correct, So
you'll see it. And this whole story is exactly why
Seattle and San Francisco are going to play for our
Thanksgiving night pleasure. People cannot get enough of this. It

(47:28):
is truly going to be off the charts and I
cannot wait for it. And I think, and man, that's
the good. That's the question. I think, outside of the
outside of the man's illness of it all is how
many west the NFC. What's going to happen there, and

(47:52):
what's going to happen there? And who can somebody else
join that party? Who's gonna can can everybody join that party?
That's going to be Oh my gosh, I want to
be v I p at that party? Right, Well, apparently
you're the guy to know in this town. You are
really you are not. They're not playing a game here though.
If there's beef in the streets, they yeah, is there

(48:16):
any beaver update for the neighborhood? He was not a neighborhood.
He's gone right, Kardashian, she's she's in the neighborhood. She
took over the house. She bought that could be equally dangerous.
Chloe bought the Baber house. No, she did not. Did
you have two Kardas? Should I know that? If I
watched Keeping Up with the Kardashians, would I know? I
wouldn't know. She's kind of what do you mean if

(48:38):
I don't watch that show? I will readily admit to you.
I will readily admit to you. What the guiltiest pleasure?
I don't have a guilty pleasure watch? I really don't.
I only watch quality high house television programming all the time.
What the House Hunters TV? The Wife, I don't know.
I watched it all the time. It's cathetic. I don't know.

(48:59):
I don't know how to I didn't see that one.
If I had the guilty pleasure, I would, I would
tell you, but I just don't. Great. Yeah, I've been
totally I know that took over Twitter on Monday night.
I missed, I missed. Yeah, that's one of those bitch
viewings for for the Fall when you're on all those airplanes,
you just you just download it. Goodness. True Blood, True

(49:20):
Blood came back. Yeah, you're a true Blood guy. Yeah.
Did you see that? I stopped watching this friend our friend,
our friend Manganello got a little sukie yeah. Yeah, and
the and the opener. Yeah, Joe Manganello. We gotta get
him back. I'll tell you what you want to. You
want to get women to to get rid in the face,
you just say his name in their presence. They love well.

(49:41):
He he came on the show and he wore the
deep V. He will the next shirt. There's easily a
romance brewing. That was back when we were televised, when
this show was televised. Now we're just stuck in the
corner of stage four. It makes sense. You have Joe
on TV, now you're on radio. I we're jammed in
the corner. But my wife makes she watches The Bachelorette

(50:05):
or whatever, you know, a lot of stuff. So it's like,
you know, you share, you share remotes, you share quality time.
My wife doesn't. I can't. Like I sit there and
I actually yelled you because I'm like, this is so dumb.
We're not dumber. But I have to watch because it's
it's Q with wife. My wife does not watch those shows,
so you know, I don't. I'm not exposed to those
those shows at all, certainly not through my wife. What

(50:27):
she does is she watches shows after I've watched them,
like Breaking Back I did. I had to also convince
her of Game of Thrones me too, but she's all
in on that, and she was all in on Breaking Bad.
Breaking Bad. She watched all I think seventy episodes in

(50:48):
a span of like forty days, so she was not that.
I wish I could have kept going, Well, we can't.
We don't want to spoil it for those of my term.
I haven't. I don't watched. She's still not buying that one.
She still hasn't watched that one. The one that she's
catching up right now on is a True Detective watched.

(51:10):
She's catching up Sto'm watching them all that. It's kind
of deep and dark, That's what she said, because she
didn't watch Breaking Bed to begin with it because she
thought it was too dark. And I'm like, if you
thought Breaking Bed was too dark, True Detective makes that
look like the Flying Nun. I decided I wanted to
watch True Detective one night and I and I accidentally
watched the final episode No accident, Yeah it was, it

(51:31):
already started. I said, you know what, you could still
watch a ton of stuff. I gotta go. If the
big the big drama of the Yellow King gets revealed
in the final episode, but you don't want to He's
still it's still still the journey. The Journey Targo ended.
Great Fargo. By the way, we haven't discussed that. I

(51:52):
finally caught up. If did you guys watch Fargo? Oh
my lord, that was incredible. Ten episodes a mini series
based on the on the film if you saw the movie,
but loosely based on the film, It's just there is
a small connection to the movie. The the the TV
show is, however, totally reflective of the movie in the

(52:13):
mood and the style and the writing and the directing,
and it is awesome. Billy Bob Thornton was incredible. Our
buddy Colin Hanks was great. Oh my gosh, it was
really really good. I highly wrapped, pissed out on that.
I'm a Billy too. He was great. I think about
the best attack up, the best actor. Yeah, it is

(52:36):
going to be so loaded. It's and Ham and Billy Bob,
who could win the Oscar and Emmy those guys. Are
you talking about Magic Mac? No, no, no, I'm talking
about magic. Yeah. The Dallas Bobbs Club a category. Those
four guys, how do you I don't know if Philly

(52:56):
Billy Bob is going to be I think here's what
is going to happen. It's gonna be mini series. Yes, yeah,
it's but so true because I don't think I don't yes,
because you know, FX not to get to industry heavy year.
But f x UM exploded on the scene, you know
a few years ago because American Horror Story was winning

(53:18):
all those Emmys in the mini series categories. So that
is their clear, true, tested um Emmy Awards strategy performances.
Absolutely good to see you guys. Can I ask these
two guys one question? I don't know if they're good,
they're they're they're taping after you mentioned the Rookie Symposium

(53:40):
earlier and that just happened in Cleveland this past week.
What was your guys experience like at the Rookie Symposium
and based on how what it is you guys and
how well like this year we had we had on
our show Brian Banks a year ago and he told
his story on our show. They had him at the
Rookie Symposium this year, just kind of how can you

(54:01):
help guys either not go bankrupt in seventy six years
of the league, what can they do different to to
protect people? You know there's there they have so many
resources at these Rookie symposiums and throughout the throughout the year.
But to be totally honest with you, a lot of
these guys they don't pay attention. They don't they don't

(54:22):
take it's a difference between listening and hearing. Yes, they
it's one. It's in one year out the other one.
Some of the guys do it and they don't really
take advantage of it until they're in that predict into
there in that situation. And if we you know, Sean,
we talk all the time about things like this, if
we had all these resources and all these different things,
and you can go out and call a car in

(54:43):
NFL to come get you if you don't want to drive,
if you think you're gonna have a drink, I mean,
anything you could think of. They have a phone number,
or they have someone you can call, or you get
in touch with. And very few guys and it's not
it's not good. You know, very few guys take advantage
of it. Well, I can tell you from an undrafted guy.
My rookie supposing was very brief. I didn't get it.

(55:06):
I didn't go. But I was a player rep for
nine years and and the number one reason why I
became a player up was because of my third year
in the league. I was in those meetings when they
asked guys to sign up for a four oh one K,
and guys were like, Man, I'm not sign up for
a four one K. That's ten dollars. They didn't understand,

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you sign up for a four on K, You're you're
you're you're putting ten dollars into a program that they're
gonna match two to one, and it's it's it's like
free money. But they just didn't understand that. So I
took on that role because I wanted to educate these
guys and I didn't want anybody walking out that door
not knowing. But what Willie said is there is so
much out there for players, but the players have to

(55:49):
meet them halfway. They have to take the step, you know.
I mean, you can only take a horse to water,
you can't force him to drink. And that's that's where
we're our own worst enemies. And the biggest thing that
I say about these players, and I would love to
go to the rookie suppose you talk to these guys, um,
But the problem is that players there is player on
player crime. We see each other doing dumb stuff. And

(56:10):
nobody calls each other on it. Well, it's also the
I know of I forget the offensive lineman of the
of the Eagles who duped the media on Twitter with
a fake no Lane Johnson, No no, no, he do
he duped the media with with a fake six receipt
because somebody did actually tweet one of those out recently

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and everybody in the media was up in arms about it.
And the bottom line is this, I mean, if you're
gonna haze rookies to put him grand in the hole,
that is player on player crime in that regard like
that's that to me is beyond the pale. And again
I forget that the name of the Eagles line because Johnson,
because Johnson wasn't the one who tweeted that out. He
was the one that they said paid for because he

(56:55):
was the kie. Well and so so the bottom line
though is it's, you know, mean, you can make fun
of the media all you want, but that that is
disgusting in this day and age for for anybody to
be spending that much money on a meal, and on
top of it, to do it to a rookie, to
make them do that. But I also don't want this
conversation to be viewed in any way, shape or form
that the Players Association isn't concerned about it or trying

(57:17):
to do its best. That we hear so many times
about the NFL and the Players Association to bang them
heads and banging and not getting along and what's going
on with concussion lawsuits and what's going on with you know,
the uh um with with the h G H testing
blah blah blah blah blah. But the Rookie Symposium is
truly a hand in glove partnership between the NFL and

(57:41):
the Players Association, which are ringing their hands over making
the players who are there here not listen, but here
they have to be. They have to they have to
hear everything and then listen and act on it, you know.
And and they I mean you think you think about

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I've been to some of these ones and it gets
really intense and they're Yeah, they're powerful. When they bring
in the basketball player Harrison Chris Chris, they do every story.
They have these mos skits where they show the players
what could happen to them in a bar or they

(58:22):
come in during the season. And they also but I
think one of the the instrumental parts of the Rookie's
Imposium is when the players who've been through certain things
Chris Carter and Michael Irvin. Chris Carter, Michael Irvin, he
was he was really uh moving in in his when

(58:43):
he came and talked to some of the guys. One
of my favorite lines I heard Chris Carter say, because
he's sermonizes, he doesn't just say it's he's like, he's
a sermon can get there. Seriously, he's intense and uh.
He's talking about to beware of women that might not
have your best to interests in mind. And he said
to the crowd, he goes, if a really good looking

(59:04):
woman comes up to you out of nowhere in the bar,
or in the club or anywhere, just remember this. You're
not that good looking. You are not that good didn't
happen she knows something that you don't know. That was
really Mama, you in the Hall of Fame. That was great.
That was great. And by the way, fellow Ohio State Buck,

(59:24):
the Ohio State Buckeye was was asleep in the front row.
Fell asleep, I think, Chris Carter. And he goes back, now, yes,
he learned, hearn Yeah, but he was a mess that
that Brookie sympos um. He wasn't you know what I mean?
And that just goes to show that I saw, I meant.
And years old, these kids are coming out and they

(59:46):
have no idea what they don't know. Well, half that
room he's going to have to find a new job.
Half the room, on average in the NFL four years
is going to have to find another job. Just look
at this to also how many running backs, how many
players period would sign for marshall Fox career, every last
one of them. Marshall was, if I'm not mistaken, aged

(01:00:08):
thirty four when he had to find out something else
to do in his life. Thirty four and he had everything.
He had, the fame, he had, the rings, he had,
the respect, he had, uh the fortune. He had it
all and he still does and he found he's he's
made a superb second act straight hand Strand Strand right.

(01:00:29):
He had to be when he's thirty seven, how to
find out something else to do? Everybody has to find
out something else to do. If you play in the NFL,
exactly you I'm obviously preaching to acquire that rule by
age six, we'll have to figure something else to do.
What were you doing? I was in San Diego hanging

(01:00:52):
out pickup and working freelance production where he had barked
in at Tommy O's uh Cas Street down on Cast
Street there. Yeah, so a place called the Fishery delicious.
All right, guys, good to see you. Thanks, And we
didn't even have a Michigan. When when should we discuss

(01:01:14):
that next time? Would you really like to discuss that?
Let's let's do it. I don't know if we should. Really,
I don't know if that's gonna benefit should be monument,
let's just put it that way. I just I don't
I don't know if we should do that for your sake,
because I I really like you. Let McGuinness here on
the Rich Eyes in podcast huh fun chat Boys, fun
chat tho. It's good to be bad. It's good to

(01:01:34):
be bad. It's good to be the king. And we
got a lot of tweets about if we were you know,
so I was just I wrote back to people were
on a little summer breaks. There's lots going on, little
summer break exactly, There's lots going on. Well, this has
been a fun show. Unfortunately I can't feel three of
my tent toes unfortunately, so may have to do a

(01:01:56):
quick close here. Yeah, this is ridiculous, how cold it is.
I do think with next week being the fourth agion,
I'm out of part Yeah, and I knew that we
could do a second Best of You now my mom
will be here, she could fill in and Mary Pellus, Mary,
We're gonna do it. Mary Pellus a two fourteen hashtag.

(01:02:18):
If you want to fall Do you want to put
your mom on this show? You can do that. Go
for it. I mean, she'd be great, do it. Phone
her in and she's here here, she's gonna be hang
out these who they hang out got you know, she's
a week at Los Angeles. If you want to hear
the best of podcast they wanted people loved this bust
of Yeah, I got some good, good results the Best

(01:02:40):
of They loved you two guys taking over and doing it.
It was a great show. Just a couple of knuckleheads.
It was a great show. If you're up for doing
it again, please do it. I'd love if I can
get in the yet a beat tomorrow and I'd love
together something I'd love it would be I would appreciate that.
That'd be great. That'd be good listening for me on
the way home on the flat home. Who am I kidding?
I'm fly with three children? Are you to your mind?
What are the four of July plans? I will be

(01:03:04):
I will be on the island of of Nantoe, k
Tucket nice. And you're sticking on here. You're going to Vegas.
My mom's coming, so we're gonna do you know, last
time she was here two years ago, we kind of
did all the l A touristy things. So now we're
gonna get into LA's heart. She wants to go to
Las Vegas, never been, so we're gonna do that probably
on the fifth. Take the time and go to the

(01:03:25):
Hoover Dam too. I'm not taking my mom to the
Hoover Dam. It's it's twenty miles outside of Vegas, but
it's a big slab of concrete. And your mom has
never been in Las Vegas. Never don't don't don't you
don't take her to see That's what that's That's what
I'm saying. It's an impressive it is an impressive construct,
I'm sure. However, it's the reason we're here in southern California. Essentially,

(01:03:50):
we are going to um see Algeria Next Tuesday. UH,
team USA will face Algeria. Are they gonna work easter? No? No,
The group is won by know what we're gonna see.
We get Belgium, we get the one Belgium and Algeria
gets to see Germany next as h Russia. UH can
go back via horseback with their shirtless leader. Well and

(01:04:12):
we will see them next at the in the World
Cup as the host country in two thousand and eighteen. UM.
And you know again the coverage on the ESPN. Have
really enjoyed the camera work is done. I think, uh
internationally right, it's the world. Whoever the director is has
got a roving on. Definitely. I really enjoyed the the

(01:04:34):
exmo or the phantom cam shots with the reacts is great.
But you're talking about the crowd shots. Yeah, they like
out of the blue. It's just like whoa Okay. My
favorite one was did you see the guy dressed up
as Teddy Roosevelt in the Portugally USA match? On that
They've been some great get ups. There have been Grazil

(01:04:55):
place and they go to crowd shots. It will be
interesting to see who shows up a it's Uruguay. You
know what if there's gonna be any Swazi looking I'd
show I would show up. Who is Uruguay play? Do
we know that? I don't know. If I'd show up
like Hannibal Lecter with that with that mask, with Master
of the Animal elector with a Suarez jersey. That's how

(01:05:17):
I got tweet. I think that's the third one to
third time. He got a nine match band equivalent of
a hundred and twelve thousand point six percent of his
of his because it's a drop in the bucket to him. Yeah,
it's Columbia, Columbia and Uruguay. If if Columbia fans should
show up like Hannibal Lecter, great, Yeah. I hope Columbia

(01:05:41):
scores a lot because they're into the group dancing. If
you know the celebration soccer celebrations are great. So if
US gets past Belgium, they take on the winner of
Argentina and which looks like maybe a messy matchup day
after Wow, it's exciting. Guys were in the round six
made it, We made it through. I got a lot

(01:06:03):
of international. We gave an international shout out to the
beautiful game, didn't we I'm gonna give one to Mark
five m five eighties six, he says international shout out
for my boy at five decks. He's tying the not
next week in France. Best hashtag ever. UK, here we come. Well,
speaking of that, I have started to book some stuff

(01:06:25):
about around my trip and I think some of the
destinations are obviously Ireland, Dublin, London, and then looking for
suggestions beyond there. I'm definitely gonna do Paris, maybe Amsterdam
and some Italy. So let me know. Here you go
to UK, UK, here you come, but let me know alright, guys,
have a good July fourth week. This has been fun.

(01:06:45):
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I believe? So? I thought there was a sixty six. Yeah,
there's sixty six Harris sixty You look it up yourself
at Chris Agrannact, Chris Law at Rich Eyes and for
at the Eisen podcast. Hope you enjoyed, folks, stay listening

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to friends,