The Season with Peter Schrager: Emptying the Combine Notebook with Mike Garafolo

Peter is back from the Combine and both he and Mike Garafolo have loaded notebooks worth of gossips, rumors, and real information. They go through the various quarterbacks that will be hitting the open market (Darnold, Rodgers, Fields, Russ, Daniel Jones, Carson Wentz, Jarrett Stidham), hit the various teams that are in need of a QB (Titans, Browns, Jets, Giants, Raiders, Colts), and then go deep into their free agency notes to talk about some of the lesser known names who may strike it rich next week. Mike also was firsthand for the Ian Rapoport-Jordan Schultz "altercation" and gives us his account of the insider vs. insider showdown that rocked the Internet last week. 

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
The Season with Peter Schrager is a production of the
NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio. What's Up, Everybody, This is
Peter Schrager, the host of the Season with Peter Schrager.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
I have fresh off the Combine.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
I wanted to wait this week to record our podcast
till after the franchise tag deadline has arrived. It is
a parent approximately four to five pm Eastern as I'm
recording this, and we've got our franchise tags, so we're
good to talk openly without having a foot in our
mouth when we start talking about some of these contracts.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
My guest joining shortly is gonna be Mike Garafalo.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
My longtime colleague at Fox and now my longtime colleague
at NFL Network, and my favorite people in the biz.
We were both at Combine together. Lots of laughs, also
lots of conversations. We're gonna recap all of that real quick.
Some notes as I empty the notebook from Combine. Number one,
Saquon Barkley becomes the highest paid running back in football today.

(01:10):
The Eagles are smart, they take care of their guys.
They do it so you're not in a bind in
a year down the road, you've got a bitter player
and an agent that wants to take you to the woodshed.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Saquon earned every last dollar.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
As that, we know, the Eagles are going to have
to say farewell to several top talent. I would imagine
guys like Milton Williams and Josh Sweat, and we saw
them cut Darius Lay and James Bradbury. I'm curious if
they can bring back Zach Bond. All those guys are
in limbo. Let's take care of our own and let's
remain with the core.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Saquon gets what he wants.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
He had a beautiful post thinking the Eagles organization, and
there's a Heylo effect to this if you're if you're
an NFL player, you see that and you're like, oh wow,
they took care of him. They sign him to a
blow market deal, even though it was very it was
very attractive combined to compared to what the Giants were offering,
but they signed him to a blow market deal. He
might have taken less money than what was offered by

(02:05):
the by the I believe the Texans are the other
team that.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
We're in the on Saquon.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Either way, you take care of him now. So he
gets his contract extension, He's not going anywhere. And as
certain players will be leaving the room, Saquon isn't going anywhere.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Respect it.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
I also respect the optics right before a free agency
when players are going to be leaving and Eagles fans
might be freaking out, don't worry.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
We did what we had to do. We brought Saquon back.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
I would think Lane Johnson might get a similar situation
in the next couple of days. Keep an eye on
that one lane cornerstone piece entering a part of his
contract wherever negotiations does seem to matter and seems to
make a lot of sense there, so keep an eye
on those. That's one note number two. The quarterback carousel

(02:53):
really interesting conversations throughout my time in Indianapolis, and I
think there are more teams that need a quarterback than
there are quarterbacks available, which means in the NFL Draft
you might see these guys go a little earlier than
you might think they belong on a big board that's

(03:13):
in a vacuum, meaning cam Ward could go one, Shador
Sanders could go two, and they may have no right
going that way if you're just looking at pure overall board,
who the best players in this draft. I don't think
anyone would tell you they're one and two. But based
on quarterbacks going where they're going, and based on the
teams at the top of the draft and the free

(03:33):
agents available, that might be how this shakes out. Let's
just do a quick game of mix and match before
we even get to free agency, which starts really in
Earnest on Monday. All Right, Sam Darnold doesn't get the
franchise tag, right, I still think he goes back to Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
That's my big swing here.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
I think they offer him two years, let's say seventy million,
thirty five million apiece. He makes great money. It's way
bigger than what he was making. And it's with those
two wide receivers. It's with O'Connell, and for the next
year he competes with JJ McCarthy. Then you go into
another year of Okay, is McCarthy truly the guy?

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Is he ready to go? Or is it one of
these guys's trade bait.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
I don't think coming off the injury McCarthy had, coming
back to setback he had at one point, I don't
think I'm sold on JJ McCarthy.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Just taking this team.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
As far as Sam Donald, I think there's still more
to chew on that contract, and there's still more chew
on that Donald bone. Now here's the fact of the
matter is, if Sam Donald doesn't play two of the
worst games of his NFL career in his final two
games as a Minnesota Viking last year, there is a
line a mile wide and a mile long lining up
for his services. But he revealed enough works in those

(04:43):
two games where I don't think the market is there.
I don't think anyone's offered him fifty million. I don't
think anyone's offered him forty five million. So you take
the money in hand. If Minnesota can make it work,
you go back to Minnesota, you compete with JJ McCarthy
for that starting job, you beat out JJ McCarthy, you
have another sensational season, and then you hit free agency again,
or you get traded and you get a new contract

(05:04):
out of that deal. So that's Donald. Then there's a
giant gap between what's next. That's why Aaron Rodgers is
getting talked about for the Raiders and Giants, like where
else are you going to go? Justin Fields is probably
the next name that's got a market. I think Steelers
and Jets are both going to be very interested in
Justin Fields. I mean, he didn't beat out Russell Wilson

(05:24):
this year. Is that the most viable I don't know.
But he's young, great kid, smart as hell, has n't
complained one bit his entire career, whether he was in
Chicago or Pittsburgh and got benched last year. Justin Field
is going to be an NFL starter next year. Now
is it Pittsburgh or the Jets. We'll see what happens there.
Now you're ticking off teams and you still have a giant,
gaping hole at quarterback for Minnesota, for Cleveland, for the Giants,

(05:50):
for the Jets, for the Raiders.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
So you fill him out, You fill him out how
you want to fill him out. And is Russell Wilson
going to a team maybe? Is Kirk Cousins going to
a team?

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Maybe?

Speaker 1 (06:00):
But at the end of the day, there are still
too many teams that need a quarterback and not enough
quarterback talent that's available and free agency or via trade
that I think when it's all said and done, and
I don't know who the teams are going to be,
who trade up or maneuver or whatever, but I think
it's a really good chance that it goes cam Ward
one Shador Sanders too, and don't be shocked if Jackson
Dart or Tyler Shuck or one of these other guys

(06:23):
quinn Ewers shoots up the board a little bit and
it's at the end of the first round or middle
of the first round too. Plenty of more stuff I
want to bring in our guests, though. Mike Garifolo is
on the ground with me in Indianapolis. We're gonna get
Mike in here now. We're gonna shoot it around a
little bit, and then I'm gonna wrap up the pod
with some more gossip and rumors I got while I was.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
An Indian.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
With no further ado.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
It's my favorite person in our business, a true real
friend and someone I worked with at Fox for many
years and then of course now at NFL Network. In
an alternate world, we have the number one podcast in
the universe and we're just crushing it together.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Mike Garrafolo, Hello.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
Parallel universe. Is that what it is? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Ta alternate like, and there's still plenty of time for
us to eventually just just run this universe. Eventually, it
could be it's like, I feel like we're thumbling, Louise
just in the car.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Just let's just hold hands and go.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
All right.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
So the Rappaport Schultz.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Thing, I'm not going to get into Jordan Schultzen who
he is or Ian Rappaport and what he's all about.
But they have their conflict, but to go behind behind
the scenes as PFT commenter and Mike Florio write up
these odes and these explanations, how I found out was
a text chain of separate NFL people that you're included
on and just hilarity insuing with jokes and memes.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
You were there that day, What do you want to share?

Speaker 3 (07:48):
So I'll cop to the picture that was my picture
that I took. Now, I didn't leak the picture. Okay.
If I did leak the.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
Picture, TMZ would have had it and I would have
had ten grand in my pocket, which is probably what
I should have done.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Did TMC run the picture of Schultz hulking over.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
Rappaport, I don't know, but they wrote a story on it,
so you know, if they wrote a story on it,
they think it's news.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
And if they think it's news, they would have loved
the visual. So way to go. Dummy could have made
you know on this one.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
But here's here's how I, like, I can cop to
this and tell you that I took it, but I
didn't leak it because I was actually sending that picture
live right.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
I was like, Hey, look.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Who's having a chat and it's like giggling, like these
two are finally because we know that behind the scenes
there has been enough little like pissing match on Twitter.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
Yeah, yeah, there's there's there's always that. I'll link and
get into the details of that. But it quickly I
realized it was not as cordial as I thought it was.
But by that point I had already sent the picture
out to like five people, which one of them actually
brought it back on a group chain.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
It was like who leaked the picture? And I was like,
why is that guy here?

Speaker 4 (08:50):
I didn't send it to him, And the other person
was like, oh, so now there's a whole different you
knowin that it may have tested the photo off of Yeah,
it's like it's like Doc Brown explaining the alternate nineteen
eighty five and back to the future, where it just.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Breaks off this way. I stopped taking pictures once.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
I realized it was a It was more adversarial than
I thought. And uh, you know, at some point you
want to let your friend, he's an adult, handle his business.
But I was nearby. Should intervention be needed? And that
should some protection be needed? So they finished their conversation
and internet lore. Next, Oh here comes uh Brian McCarthy,

(09:31):
NFL PR guy introducing.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
Me to UH is Justin? Was his name Justin? He's
with NFL Security. I said over there, all right, I'm
real quick.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
That happened to disclose the loop on it because the
story has passed.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yeah, it's funny because you know, we love we love
this media on media, like when I see as as
annoying when you're in the middle of it, and we've
been in the middle of it with other reporters, like
you hate it and it's everything, but like from Afar,
when it doesn't involve you, it's kind of funny. It's
just ridiculous. The fact that it happened in front of
a Starbucks. And I said this on Bill Simmons podcast today,

(10:06):
J W.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Marriott. Starbucks to me is the hell spot. It's like
it's like Sodom and Gomorrah.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
It is like the it is like first and first,
like on Seinfeld or like really it's like times square,
it is. And for that to go down there, there
is probably one hundred people in the vicinity when that happened.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
Oh there was a lot. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
I don't know how many solid or knew exactly who
was having a conversation.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
There were enough, I mean when he So we came
out of a meeting.

Speaker 4 (10:32):
It was the nfl OPS meeting and Ian had just
planted himself there for an hour because that's the crossroads
of everything. You get to see as many people and
you get to check a bunch of boxes.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
And I think Sean Payton sits there from Monday to Sunday,
just sits there at a table. If you want to
talk to Sean Payton, just just yeah, that's it. He's
always just permanently sat there.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
Yep, there you go. Okay, I didn't know that.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
So we come out of the meeting and Ian's still
there and he was talking to somebody that I had.
I said, well, let me, I had the fire off.
Here's what came out of the nfl OPS meeting. The
overtime changes, the uh virtual the chin blinding, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
A chain game inside the fire. So let me just
sit here and do that and then I'll you know.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
So I'm waiting for Ian to finish this conversation and
firing this stuff off, and I look up and here
comes Jordan, and I said, okay, Jordan's going for who
Ian was talking to. And I said, but I don't
know if he sees I in there. No, he saw
he went right for He went right for him. And
then whoever they were talking to peeled off and it
was just the two of them and everybody's kind of around.
And it didn't hit me until ten minutes later that

(11:31):
it happened in front of a Starbucks.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
I actually looked at the picture and I was like,
this happened in front of us with the little and
I said, I gotta win a I better win a
Pulitzer for this picture. I probably won't.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
But the logos, I know that giant. What is that logo?
It's a mermaid? Like what is the Starbucks logo? Logo?
It's a one? Yeah, what is it?

Speaker 3 (11:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
There's I I've definitely looked it up and I've checked
it before, and it just escaped my memory and was
replaced by the uh, I don't know, the the the
millions per year for each.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Position of the franchise tag.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Probably yeah, yeah, that's in your break series. What what
is the Starbucks Hold on? Let me get this here, siri?

Speaker 3 (12:10):
What do you say Starbucks? Oh, hey Siri, yeah, hold on,
this is good.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
This is good radio. I'm sure a lot of people
are taint the wizing here I again, help me one.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
It's like, hey, Siri, what is the Starbucks logo?

Speaker 4 (12:22):
This is like Francesa when he counts, Sally goes in
a one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, nine nine.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
All right, what do you got Starbucks logo?

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Oh, it's evolved it Wait now, it takes me to
like a Starbucks like pr site.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
This may not be worth it. Digi Insights.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
The Starbucks logo, the famous Siren, which of course from
Greek mythology, is a female who sings and lures you
in Itit's seeductively at the center of the Starbucks cup,
defines the brand. Today, the Starbucks logo is synonymous with
more than tasty coffee. It's about the entire experience of
getting one and drinking one. When someone walks by with
that logo on a Starbucks cup, there are associations made

(13:01):
around people's backgrounds and lifestyles. There's something mysterious and yet
simple in the sirens face. She lures millions of coffee
lovers into Starbucks.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
Wow. Yeah, Wow.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
The allure of caffeine is that siren is singing.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Discus could not resist the siren song.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Now, traditional traditional.

Speaker 4 (13:23):
Seattle natives and longstanding Seattle residents and natives tell me
that they don't drink Starbucks.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
No, Well, the same apparently moved the SuperSonics to Oklahoma City,
so I don't think they've built about that. They had
Kevin Durant for a hot minute, then before we know it,
that's that time.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
So that was the rappaport.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
And then I told Ian, I'm like, dude, there's a
lot of ways you could play this, And I think
Ian kind of played it right where he was like
tongue in cheek fun about it, but also wasn't looking
to have it. And then like the rest of like
McAfee and eyes and they were just hammering it, and
then it got kind of played out, and I was like,
all right, the story's over. But there was a window
in time where Ian could have leveraged that into a
dunkin Donuts play. He could have leveraged that into a

(14:04):
coffee bean play. He could have done a lot of things,
and I think he might have missed the boat, but
it's probably better off long term. You don't want to
capitalize on being in an altercation or verbally accosted at
the combine. Right.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
Well, the next day he was.

Speaker 4 (14:17):
Talking about duncan on on the Maxazine show, and.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Look what I'm getting, ironically.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
Giving it away for free. I was like, that's unlike Ian.
Why would he do that? Right?

Speaker 2 (14:29):
I think there was a play.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
Maybe he was laying the groundwork. You know, you give
him a little bit and you hope for a lot
more in return. That would be amazing if he gets
on that deal and unveils it, let's say at the draft.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
There's time to get that done before that. It would
be amazing, a huge all right.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
So I started off this thing in an monologue just
talking about how I think there's a lot of teams
that need quarterbacks and there might not be enough quarterbacks available,
which means come the draft as much as we want to,
you know, talk about Shador slipping out of the first
and all of a sudden, like you know, what happens,
They all get bumped up and we'll see where we
land out as we head to free agency. I'm going
to throw out a couple of names for you and

(15:04):
just give me your armchair quarter slash insider read on
how these situations could go down and really some fun
stuff about like we'll just banner back and forth on
like how the situation could play out. So the first name,
first name is Donald, and I think going back to
the Vikings on a small lure, not a huge ever,
like makes sense for both sides. But is there a

(15:26):
stalking horse that might blow Donald away? Or is there
a chance where Donald actually does get that fifty million
dollar contract somewhere?

Speaker 4 (15:32):
I know that the Vikings not tag. They were asking
questions back at the Senior Ball. Was like, hey, the
Vikings are asking you know, what do you hearing about
Donald out there? They wanted to know if there was
a team that was gonna.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
And they never really truly wouldn't know. It would be
more of a leap of faith.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
But yeah, in their mind the number at forty to
tag him was too high and he wasn't going to
get there. And I think they're right. I mean, if
Stafford had gone elsewhere and maybe that opens up the Rams,
maybe that's a little bit different. But the fact that
Stafford stayed put, now you're seeing some of these other
guys potentially stay put and don't.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
I don't know that Vegas is that.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
High on on Sam Donald, which would be the other
place that he could potentially go to. Then going back
to New York if he goes to the Giants, I
mean obviously not the Jets. I mean, my my fever
dream was he would go to the Jets.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
Would just be awesome. I would just love to just
see it. But there's no way he was he was
gonna go back.

Speaker 4 (16:18):
And then in the end, the Vikings understand that Darnold
knows what the best situation is for him. It's the
one that every other quarterback wants right now, Addison Jefferson
and Kevin O'Connell calling the shots like that.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
So the question is, you know, how big of a
cut do you take?

Speaker 4 (16:34):
And I think we all in our minds were thinking, well,
he's going to be in the forties.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
I don't know that he's gonna get there.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
No, certainly, yeah, right like thirty to forty.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
So now you're to the point where it's like, all right, look,
we understand and you understand that we want to be here.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
How do we make this fair?

Speaker 4 (16:50):
Right?

Speaker 3 (16:50):
I mean I go back. There was a couple of
years ago.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
Nick Foles, after the Super Bowl with the Eagles, signed
with the Jaguars for twenty two, which is a big
number at the time. The time, it was huge, and
they were really sort of bidding against themselves, right, there
was nobody else out there.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
But it's like, you can't sign a quarterback for at.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
The time, I don't know, fifteen and then say oh,
here's our new franchise quarterback.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Yeah, he had to make it respectable. Right, there's a
great analogy.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
I remember that whole situation.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
It was like we had to pay him that because
we wanted to show our faith in him and our
confidence in him. And it was more almost like pr
as well, you know.

Speaker 4 (17:20):
Yeah, and you want him to be happy about it,
and you want him to feel good about the new
start that he's in.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
Now, Donald would be an extension.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
So look, he proved himself in a way last year,
and now it's time for the double proof, right, Like,
now it's time to prove that what happened at the.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
End was an aberration.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
Right now, I can't play consistently through the end of
the season and maybe even raise my game at the
right period at the right time, and then hope for
better options.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Next year, because there's not there's not a lot of
great options happening now. The Giants, Jets.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
We'll get through it.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
But like here's my yeah, all right, So those two
games in a matter of eight days. I could argue
it costs Sam Darnald more money than any player in
the history of the NFL.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
What was it before, you're my it was fifty before
that and wound.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
I thought, you know, you have Tennessee, you got Pittsburgh,
and then it's like these teams are like, eh, I
don't know, you know, Like, I'm sure there were teams,
and I don't think there's a market right now besides
and soda. But if it guess to a certain point
numbers wise, maybe it perks up.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
But like this is my other question, do you.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
I can't help but think that this is a at
least a window into they're not as high and over
the moon over JJ McCarthy as everyone has been saying
all season.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
Yeah, I think there's an element of that.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
I also believe that maybe he played at least for
a period of time last year above their expectations.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
Donald, that is right, and so.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
You want to sort of run that back because if
McCarthy doesn't beat him out, Right, if you bring him
back and he doesn't beat him out, and if you're
paying him thirty million, it's gonna be tough.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
Like the tie is going to go to Sun Donald
in that situation.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
But if McCarthy doesn't beat him out, you want to
make sure you have the best possible solution at the
quarterback position. So it's a delicate balance, right, Like you're
still sort of committed to McCarthy, and I know that
Quacy Adolpha Mensa really was looking forward to let's get
a good quarterback on a rook deal, which allows us
the flexibility to spend elsewhere. Well, that sort of went
out the window when he didn't play his rookie year

(19:12):
because now let's say he plays next year for this
upcoming season and he plays the year after day, you're
only getting two years at that point because he didn't
won an extension at that point, So that window sort
of got muddled a little bit.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
I also think you bring in Donald for whatever thirty
thirty five. Let's say that you have JJ on the
rookie deal. If they both play well, or they both
are doing well in camp, you could still trade either
one of them, Yeah, into one of these quarterback media teams.
And Donald's contract is not so prohibitive where it would
be like that's a crippling contract for a.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Team to take on.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
Coincidentally, Donald could wind up being Sam Bradford who was
traded to Minnesota when Teddy Bridgewater.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Labor Day. That was it.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Philly had Wentz, Philly had who else? It was Wentz.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
I know exactly who else because I know why because
they went from Wentz jumped over Chase Daniel, who had
gotten a really good deal.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
I had a million is the.

Speaker 4 (20:07):
Backup, and you're it's like, wait a minute, you had
Bradford for because they signed I think they signed Daniel
first and then Bradford. I forget how it was, but
it was like there's like forty seven million dollars invested
in your.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
Quarterback, which was a ton at that time.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
And then so they jumped Daniel and I remember reporting
that day that that Daniel was was pissed, right, yeah,
and Chase I got a call from his agent or whatever,
and Chase was pissed off, and I talked.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
To me a lot. Do you remember was it Jeff Nally? Maybe?

Speaker 2 (20:34):
And so guys.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
So next time I'm down in the locker room, I said, hey, Chase,
can we talk? And we go outside the locker and
we talk. He's like, yeah, but you made it seem
like you know, I said, were you pissed?

Speaker 4 (20:43):
He goes, yeah, it was pissed, like, you know, I
want to start, I want to be the guy.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
And you know, I was like, well, that's all I said.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
He goes, yeah, but like, you made it seem like
I wasn't going to be supportive of Carson.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
I said, I didn't say that. All I said was
you were disappointed. You want to be the starter. You know,
you're a competitive guy. You should be pissed. And we
had it. We had a great conversation. And he's now
in the media and he's doing a nice job.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, so fine, all right, So that's Vikings.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
All right.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
The listeners on this podcast are often Jets and Giants fans.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Let's start with Giants.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
Because there's been a lot of suboarding, a lot of.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Stuff that's inaccurate that's been out there.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
I think you and I are both fairly plugged in
with that market and fairly plugged in with that team.
I think there was a lot of truth to they were,
you know, on the Stafford talk, there were parameters to
trades being talked about with the Rams, and then once
once Thursday hit and you know, the Rams kind of
you know, ghosted everybody and they were like, all right,

(21:37):
Friday morning, it's going to be Stafford talking with McVeigh.
It was a done deal. And they already had been pivoting,
so they weren't left at the altar. They were just
engaging and everything. What leaves them now is the third pick,
which means they can't just sit there and get cam
Ward and talk of Rogers, which from what I gather,
isn't out of pocket and is also a very real

(21:58):
possibility considering what the number might be and the thought
that he wasn't so bad last year. Teammates like him,
and he and Dable kind of with a chip on
both of their shoulders.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
This year, let's team up and let's let's do this
thing together.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
He's one of the best options out there.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
I mean, I know he was in a great season
with the chance, but look around, it's not a great,
and it's not gonna cost you a ton of money.
He's gonna have to make a decision at this point
because we talked about, you know, him being a possibility
with the Rams, and you know, as somebody mentioned to me,
he wants to go to San Francisco. I'm like, well,
but San Francisco's paying party. That's never gonna happen. And

(22:32):
then somebody else said, well, you know, I know he
wants to go to Minnesota potentially if they're interested in him,
and it's like, well, it's.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Just they've got other options there.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
And then it's like, well, at some point do I
want to continue playing, And if I do, it might
have to be with the Giants. He has said he's
willing to mentor a young guy. He did that with
Zach Wilsoner tried to do that with Zach did so
he is open to doing that. It's not like he's
some kind of selfish guy who's not going to help out.
I don't know if he has any relationship with cam Ward,
what he thinks of him or anything of that stuff.

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He's just gonna have to get to a point where
he goes, you know what, am I willing to go
back into the New York market. Am I willing to
play with a team that you know, are we picking
the Giants to win the Super Bowl? Peter Schrager, who's
done a great job of picking the Super Bowl winner?

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Probably Also I also picked Rogers to.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
The m v P and win the AC.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
I was I was optimistic that he was gonna bounce better.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
He was banged up also early in the foot. Yeah,
so you know, I know, I know. It's it's an
option there. I got to see if if Aaron's willing
to make. That's the part I can't really put in
the place right now, is if he's willing to go
there and to play. And even if you do, you
got to do something in this draft. I mean, you
need your quarterback of the future. It sucks that you

(23:44):
lost to the Colts, right, it sucks. It can't looks
like win that game. Excuse me, it was a loss
in the draft order, but it's a win. You can't
win that game. You just can't win that game.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
The Lak Neighbors is going to the Hall of Fame
after that game.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
I mean, and I would say, because John Maer always
wants to win, he's anti tanking, but I would say
if John Mara had told Brian Dable and Joe Shane
before that game that you guys are going to be
safe no matter what, maybe a different outcomeing.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
I guess, yeah, all right, so Rogers and then maybe
schaudor at three if he's there, or you trade back
and you get Jackson Dart or you yeah, or you
wait for Tyler Shuck in the second round. Trinee wers,
like I think they have to draft a quarterback, and
if they can't get cam Ward, the pool is awfully

(24:30):
shallow this year in the draft class.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
I wonder then if they what they do at at three.

Speaker 4 (24:34):
They have talked about how they've had good meetings and
good interactions with Shadora Sanders coming out of the combine
a lot of rumblings that he's no longer a top
ten guy in the minds of evaluators and teams around
the league. It only takes one team though, that does
so I hate I hate to kind of like say,
because if nine out of ten teams are telling you
now forget it and going in the top ten, it

(24:56):
was kind of like Jalen Carter with that sort we
are not taking this guy in the top ten. Well,
the Eagles were the team that said we are taking
them in the top ten.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
I did tell you there were teams I told he's
not on their board, and then they drafted him and
the Eagles got them. And now everyone's like, well they
really they should have taken the Carter. Well, trust me,
the stuff coming out of Georgia was not good.

Speaker 4 (25:16):
Yeah, so it's hard to paint this stuff with broad
strokes here, but I just feel like, you know, at three,
if they if they're at three and it goes cam
Ward one, whether it's a Tennessee or somebody else, and
then it's Abdul Carter and you're sitting there and you
got Travis Hunter in front of you, who could be
an impact player on two sides of the ball. It's
hard to pass him up for a guy at that
point that you know a lot of folks are thinking

(25:38):
maybe he's not he's not worthy of that three pick.
I know that there's supporters in that building for Jackson
Dart in well positioned place yea with that team.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
So and there's a history though there's a lineage as
an on this quarterback.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
They had that with with Eli and like Jackson Dart
was the number one high school recruit in the country,
went to the USC Treasures of all this, he's won
ten games the last two years.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
It's not like he's some stiff or a bust like.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
Jackson Dart can play.

Speaker 4 (26:01):
Yeah, I think that there's members of that coaching staff
that feel like he'd be a good.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
Fit for what they want to do offensively. So uh
so we'll see.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
And then you know, if you add the if you
add the veteran piece, which they're going to at some point,
if you add the veteran piece, gives you a little
bit of comfortability that at least, well, maybe we can
win with this guy this year, because they've got to win.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
They've got to win.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
I mean when when when they retain both of these guys.
I said, I know what happens next. John Marrack comes
out and basically says that the way that I phrased it,
and people were calling me, Yeah, there's there's no playoff mandate. Okay, Manda,
but at the end of the last couple of weeks
of this upcoming season, we better be talking more about

(26:41):
playoff positioning than we are about draft positioning for the Giants,
because if that's the case we know what's going to happen.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Am I crazy that I look at their roster and
I don't think they're that far off though.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
There's talent, right, there is talent.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Like I sound like, I sound like a loon, but
I look at their front seven and I'm like, all right,
between Lawrence and Burns and Thibodeaux, and then you get
their offensive line if Andrew Thomas is healthy, and then
you got Tracy and Neighbors, and like, there's talent.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
It's there, just they don't quarterback.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
Yeah, Neighbors and Tracy were the first rookie tandem since
two thousand and six.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
I want to say it.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
Was Marquez Coulston. Maybe it was even earlier that I
think it was two thousand and six. Reggie, Yes, right,
it was six. Reggie Busch and Marcus Coulson the first.
They go for one thousand total yards each, and I
think if Tracy had gotten a thousand yards rushing, they
would have been the first duo would ever do that.
So they've got they've got guys that can play. They'll
add some pieces in free agency. The question is how

(27:36):
much depth is there. Because they they had their their
rookie class last year that had four or five guys
up playing a bunch. It's like, look at all these
and it's like, well, did they play so much because good?

Speaker 3 (27:48):
Did they play so much because you got nothing else
you needed to play?

Speaker 1 (27:51):
These guys like newb Been played well, Phillips played well,
like they were happy with those guys.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
Johnson the tight end, Leo Johnson.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
So I don't know, I always I mean, maybe I'm
biased because I like him as a guy and I've
known them for years, but like, you know, I saw
someone posted like when Saquon got the new deal, like
Joe Shane has to be rolling in his gray.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Like Joe Shane has to be you know, you just
kicking the punching the air.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
I'm like, Saquon wasn't having the season he had in
Philly as a New York Giant, And I don't think
if they had to do it over again, the Giants
would still have Saquon on the roster.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Like I don't.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
I don't think you have to keep on pounding the
Giants over letting Saquon walk I was best for both sides.

Speaker 4 (28:27):
Well, the question you got to ask is going back
a year ago, the Daniel Jones here right, would they
would they have tagged or would they have extended Saquon
and tagged Daniel. Yes, And even even at the point
where they tagged Saquon in March and then had a
chance to do a deal in July and they weren't

(28:47):
far apart, they were close, Like at that point, would
you do that moment differently? Because after that then that
was it. Once they got into that last season like
it was never going to.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
Happen, he was never coming back.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
It was done.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Okay, Brown's real quick schefter comes out and says, the
one thing I know is the Browns are drafting a quarterback,
but it might not be that clean. I know that
that's Adam just taking a shot in February. It doesn't
really mean he's putting his name on it for March
and April, but it did perk everyone's eyes up. I
don't think Deshan Watson's the quarterback moving forward. I know
Flacco's no longer there and he's been gone two years,

(29:19):
and like, I don't think they're going to roll out
the UCLA kid who I forget his name, who played
a bunch of snaps this season. So they do need
a quarterback, but like there's very little chatter about what.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
The Browns are doing at two.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Everyone just assumes they're going to have a quarterback, but
who's that quarterback going to be?

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Well, they're doing a good job because I've talked to
at least two three.

Speaker 4 (29:41):
Agents in the last day who have all said like there,
guys were, yeah, like we got a shot at the Browns
and I'm like, okay, So I don't think it's all
three of you. So they're doing a good job of
getting and that's just the Veneran guys, not the rookies, right,
which is good because they all sounded excited about it.
So if you're Andrew Berry, you got to feel good

(30:02):
about the fact that multiple guys feel good about you
being there, and maybe that'll help Miles Garrett feel better.
If it's Kirk Cousins here, I'll we'll get I know
we're jumping around, We'll go right to Cousins here.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
I don't think Cousins happens anytime, nothing quickly.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
I think that's through the draft, okay, because Cousins last
year went and signed with the team and then that
team drafted somebody.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
So unless it's like.

Speaker 4 (30:26):
Pittsburg where's Pittsburghs pick that's late in the first round,
twentieth twentieth maybe maybe Pittsburgh, But even then you're risking
the chance that they could potentially take somebody there. So
Kirk Cousins learned his lesson last year. I think he's
gonna play hardball. He's got that no trade clause. Atlanta's
saying they're going to sit on him, So they'll sit
on him for a while and then through the draft then.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
I think he's gonna make his decision.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
I think at that point you'll see what's gonna happen
with Cousins.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Someone told me if they were to cut Kirk Cousins,
which they won't, he would have had one year for
ninety million on the Atlanta Falcons.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
Well there's offset, like he could get paid going forward
and they could offset, you know. So look, he's got
he's got leverage in this case. He knows what the
deal says, he knows what the situation that that Atlanta's in. Anyway,
I mentioned him for the Browns because if Cleveland wants
to do that, they could potentially see what happens through
the draft and then circle back on Cousins.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
There's not enough.

Speaker 4 (31:15):
You mentioned that there's not enough quarterbacks out all these
seats capably. So I think if your cousins, you're comfortable
waiting because at that point, now you've got a team that,
oh we have three free agency trades, the draft, we.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
Really didn't get what we needed. We want to explore
this option at this point, all.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Right, we're gonna rap quickly, but I want to give
you a couple more teams.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Jets, I have no idea. I mean I've heard justin Fields, yeah,
but I think Steelers are good.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
I think has his choice.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
He's going to stick in Pittsburgh over going to the
Jets and another rebuilding thing.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
But who knows, we'll see.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
I mean, money talks.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
But if it's not justin Fields. They can't go back
to Rogers, they can't go back to Darnold. They're too
far back in the draft to get cam Ward. They
have all these star players at different positions, but they
have a giant, gaping hole at quarterback. Could they really
roll out Tyrod Taylor as their quarterback next year?

Speaker 3 (31:59):
I mean, you keep saying these names. At what point
do you get to the level of Tyrod Taylor?

Speaker 2 (32:03):
You go, okay, well, and.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
There are other options.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
I mean, you could draft the guy late, maybe he
develops a while you're setting yourself up potentially to draft
the guy next year as well.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
So there are other options. I mean, have we mentioned
Daniel Jones yet?

Speaker 4 (32:18):
No name?

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Russell Wilson and then a name that they're not great options.
They're not a name that I keep getting told by
teams that are like, well, you can always go to
that next year. You're gonna laugh. But Jared Stidham's name
keeps on coming up. Stidy like, well, you know, if
you miss out on all of them, Stidham can at
least hold the fort. And you're like, geez, are we
really talking about I mean, I guess, like, but that's
where we're at.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
Yeah, yeah, I think Daniel Jones.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
I've heard his name connected to the Indianapolis Cults a bunch,
which would make sense for him, right, that's that's a
spot for him, although they do from what I heard,
Indy does want a guy potentially that could help Anthony
Richards and you know, Daniel Jones, I gotta go in
there and say, let me help this guy.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
No, they are going to go into makes the company
guy out.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
So Indy's got to walk that fine line of we
got to get somebody here who's gonna help. But we
also if he's not the guy, if we eventually this
year go you know what, we're out on Anthony Richardson.
We need somebody that can win because again, just like
the Giants, they're in a position where they have.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
To win to make it come on their jobs.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
In twenty six, I saw Chris Ballor doing media again
this week. I'm like, this guy just keeps out, you.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Know, and it's like, you gotta hit on one of
these quarterbacks after all these years, all right, gat Raiders,
so many cooks in the kitchen from Afar.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
I look at this thing and it's.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Like, you've got you've got Brady now involved, you got
Chip who's got an opinion. You've got spytech who's going
to try to be If you got Pete an opinion.
Of course, Pete has history with both Russell Wilson and
Gino Smith. If they want to do a trade, there
you've got. I mean, Brady's got his thoughts on these quarters,
like what do the Raiders do? And they've got the
sixth overall pick again just out of the cam Ward
window where you could just sit and wait and take on.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
Yeah, they made their push for Stafford. I thought for
a hot minute that they had a real shot to
make it happen, and I think that that was an
incredible disappointment when that didn't happen for them.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
You mentioned that's funny Gino Smith.

Speaker 4 (34:08):
At some point, Seattle's got to decide, like do we
want to extend this guy?

Speaker 2 (34:13):
They keep kicking the can on this guy. He's been
there five years.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Is one year deal, one year deal, one year deal,
one year deal.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
If you're going to trade him, his value is not
higher than it is right now. It's never gonna he's
getting older, and so you know, I know that there's
interest from Pete Carroll on that, but he's got to
convince John Spytech, who's in charge as the general manager.
So keep an eye on that one. That could be
an interesting one. They've got a bunch of irons in
the fire there. I think it's more Russ wants to

(34:39):
get to Vegas than Vegas wants Russ to get there,
right which even last year when Russ visited the Giants
that was initiated by by Russell Wilson.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
I believe he flew himself there. From what I was
told is that is whatever that's But then we're laughing.
Russ could be a quarterback for the New York Giants
week one this season, you know the way it's working
like carousel, all right? And then my last one, it's
like I mentioned and I mentioned, we mentioned Daniel Jones,
but like then you've got like the Carson Wentz, the

(35:11):
Jimmy Garoppolo's like, is there a wild card in this
thing that like the Taylor Heinekes, Like one of these
guys is gonna get more money than you expected.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
And it's gonna be like the Donald.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Like people forget Donald signed a one year, ten million
dollar contract with the Vikings, and a lot people are
on the league rolling their eyes, being like ten million
dollars for Donald, and.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
It's like, yeah, one of these guys is gonna get
a deal. Like is there a name that we're not
thinking about in the quarterback room.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
I'll mention once Kansas City once Wentz back apparently had
a really good year and Andy Reid told him, we'd
love to have you back, similar deal or whatever, but
you deserve a shot to go be a starter. Again,
it's not an une question starter it's not a franchise guy,
but it's one of these situations like you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
And if anybody calls Andy Reid, I mean, maybe it's.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
Not somebody in the division. If it's the Raiders who
we're talking about. If anybody calls Andy Reid, he'll tell
them that, and he will. You know, Andy's pretty good
about helping his players, you know, get better opportunities if
the better opportunity ends up being elsewhere. So yeah, keep
an eye on Onz.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
It wouldn't surprise me.

Speaker 4 (36:11):
Jimmy Garoppolo, I think I think the Rams would like
to have him back. Yeah, a similar situation to Wentz,
like they'd like to have him back. Okay, but let's
go see what what else is out there, because there's
just not enough good capable quarterbacks that are gonna fill
all these starting jobs potentially a these bridge jobs. So yeah,
keep an eye on the two of those guys. If
one of them starting week one wouldn't surprise.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Me, all right, And then ending this thing, cam Ward
got great reviews all kind of Shador. It seems like
it's kind of split and polarized. Is there a nugget
you have on Shador that's worth sharing to this audience,
because every fan base is going to try to talk
themselves into Shador even though he's getting trashed by a
lot of people in the media right now.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
Yeah, but I when I talk to Jet fans, I
mean not one hundred percent, but I hear one you know, Yeah, yeah,
I hear I hear a lot of them go at
that point, take a shot right at that point seven? Yeah, sure, yeah,
like if they're if they're saying, well, if we're the Giants,
we're up at three and we need a quarterback and
we're desperate, like we can't do that. But it's a
new regime, and if he last that long, we're good

(37:07):
with taking a shout on him.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
At that point, we'll see.

Speaker 4 (37:11):
I don't know, I don't have enough of that feel.
I know that there's you know, the whole interview thing.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Oh he came in and he acted. What did you expect? Like,
you know what he's about, And I don't think he's
a bad dude. No, he said in an interview.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
With Jane Slater at the Shrine Bowl our Jane Slater,
our friend Jane Slater. He's like, you know what people
don't know about me is I'm I'm a pretty humble guy.
And he had this huge chain on diamonds everywhere, and
he goes, I'm a.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Pretty humble guy, as it flashed in the lights.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
I do you know, I do think that there is
a level of humility to him. You know, he's he's
been around his dad and and and the family, and
we know how Dion things and and and and Dion's
thing is not just you know, acting that way. To
act that way, It's about empowerment. It's always been about empowerment.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
He's always been that way, and and and I respect it.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
And I also would say this, say what you want
about Shador and like whether he came off as arrogant
or cocky or cockture, like you kind of need that
as a quarterback. And also, he got the absolute crap
kicked out of him for two years at Colorado, and
that guy just got up and kept playing football.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
And I think that goes a lot further.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
It's not like he's been a diva quarterback with all
pros at every position. Yes, Travis Hunter was there, but
was playing behind a different offensive line than the one
that Quinn Ewers and Will Howard have been playing behind.

Speaker 4 (38:26):
Yeah, and some might say, though, that some of those
shots were unnecessary. He should have got the ball quicker,
which is going to be a part of his development
in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
We saw from Caleb. Caleb tried to escape through the
back of the pocket.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
It's a lot harder to do ye in the NFC
North than it is in the PAC twelve.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
So I'll say this.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
I know it was the combine.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
So everyone's watching and Dion's the dad, but like, yeah,
you know Rich Eisen's talking about oh and Chadure in this,
and like who's your favorite, who's in Stacy Dale's there
with him, and who's your favorite?

Speaker 2 (38:56):
You know, who's Deon's favorite? Kid? Ranco and Dion's tweeting
right at the show, and like that stuff's real.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Dion is he is up, He's a he's got a
big voice, he's universally respected and whether or not it's
insecurity or whatever. But like some teams might just look
at all that and say, I'm trying to provide for
my family. I'm a GM, I'm a coach.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
I don't want that.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Yeah, that's really as negative as that sounds, and that
sucks for the kid. But like that, there might be
those who are scared of taken on not only you know,
a player that we're not sure is going to be
an All pro whatever, a quarterback, but also all that
comes with it, whether that should be positive or negative.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
Plus a head coach who goes, if we draft this guy,
is Dean going to be looking over my shoulder as
you know, Well, I'm gonna take because he already said
like if your coaches in the NFL, I forget the
exact quote, but I'm going to coach post on kids.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
Yeah, exactly. Multiple, Well, a whole lot to Peter.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
You're on the Insiders Show seven pm Eastern day.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
You do awesome work. I really love you.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
And also free agency next week is going to be
probably world of wall for you.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
What's the schedule.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Yeah, we're Monday to when we start on Sunday. We've
got free agency frenzy Monday. I believe all day Tuesday,
all day you're joining actual You better be joining us
for this coverage we need.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
They don't. They don't ask me.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
I'm asking you, Peter. I'm gonna massage.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
What can I offer?

Speaker 1 (40:14):
I'll offer you a couple a couple of nuggets here
and there that I get.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
But you guys got it pretty good, you Tom.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
And you got more than you let on, Peter. We
all know that. We all know that.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Here's my here's my question though.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
The Sunday show is just to Sun to set the
table and then Monday they can actually legally tamper. But
we usually know come that legally, like that's when we
start firing off. The sources indicate they have intentions to sign.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Right, Yeah, you can reach a verbal agreement. They changed that.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
The NFL kind of sort of did this and said, well,
we're tampering.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
So we're going to open up a legal window where
you can talk.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
And then all of a sudden, during that period they
were having negotiations and finalizing deals. So the NFL said, well,
we're just going to make that the point at which
you can talk and finalized deals.

Speaker 5 (40:56):
So what time is that? That's twelve eastern Monday, So
so Wednesday moved up to Monday. It's yeah, I think
it's twelve eastern on Monday. So basically now it's like, well,
they tamper ahead of the tampering window, so it's like
it just all it did was move it up a
couple of days.

Speaker 4 (41:10):
But I remember our coverage the first year when they
did this, they were stunned by the number of deals.
We weren't wall to wall. And then the next year
it was like, well we got to be you know,
on for twelve hours.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Well, i'll tell you what it was.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
It was we didn't know how it's going to go
down because I was a part of it. Monday and Tuesday,
every deal is down, and then Wednesday, every deal is
already done.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
And it was like, welcome to Fridge.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
And.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Yeah, yeah, so we adjusted our coverage here, So give.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Me your favorite free agent, like a guy that you know,
you got this whole list of Fridge. I'm gonna give
you my guy who I think is one of my
favorite players in the NFL that I don't know what
his market is, but I can't wait to see how
it works out.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Who's yours?

Speaker 3 (41:45):
Are we going under the radar? Are we got either one?

Speaker 4 (41:48):
You could say whoever you want, Like, like, Milton Williams
is fascinating to me, and I think he's gonna make
a ton of money as a defensive tackle.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
My favorite player on the Chiefs for multiple I think
Nick Bolton being a free agent is fascinating.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
You're watching that guy he's a scud missile. I think
he's great, and.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
I don't know, linebackers don't make the money that they
used to make. But like, I just some curiously where
he ends up because so many times these chiefs guys
and it'd rather be Wally Gay or Lagarious need to
end up on these crap teams and they just go
vanish into the night. And it's like, well they got
the money, and like we're happy for him, but like,
where does Nick Bolton go? Because that guy I only
I only picture him playing in huge games.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
Yeah, it's I mean, it's not it's not a sexy club.

Speaker 4 (42:29):
The draft and free agency is kind of bl Yeah,
I'm here, but no, we're gonna we're gonna do it
like Nick Westbrook. Akine is an interesting one right here
touchdowns last year?

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Like is that guy gonna hit big?

Speaker 4 (42:42):
And uh, who's I'll give you my sleeper free agent?

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Who's who's the Who's the guy?

Speaker 4 (42:48):
Uh that I was being told is going to actually
surprise people in the edge.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Let's you up over under on this?

Speaker 3 (42:57):
You want to do it over under?

Speaker 1 (42:59):
Well, because I'm like money wise, Yeah, okay, Well I
don't know because the new salary cap, it's talk going
to be bunched up. I'll never forget. I I forget
what year was it. There was a guy and it
was like we all were just like what, like what, Oh?

Speaker 3 (43:12):
It was the Wide It was.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Sammy Watkins making what he got from the Chiefs that
year is probably twenty seventeen, and it came out of
nowhere and Sammy Watkins got this massive deal from the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
So we were like, yeah, I guess that's it.

Speaker 6 (43:25):
So so the one guy that I was somebody mentioned
this to me, Doe o' dangbo from the Colts, that
this guy's gonna make a ton of money.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
And this is not this is not his agent telling
you this.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
No, No, that's what you know.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
When it's the agent, it's like, all right, you take
it with you take it with a grain of salt.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Here.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
But I don't even know if a dio Doe, Let's okay,
Dao dang bo.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
If that dude makes a ton of money, I will
tip my cap to the person that told me that.
But Patrick Jones from the Vikings is the guy that
I heard that.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Patrick Jones, not Daniel Patrick.

Speaker 4 (43:58):
Patrick Jones from the Vikings, not Daniel Jones. Yeah, who
makes more money? Patrick or Daniel Jones? Still finish?

Speaker 2 (44:07):
Put a pull up?

Speaker 1 (44:08):
Who makes more a free agency Daniel Jones or Patrick Jones.

Speaker 4 (44:11):
Daniel Jones or Patrick Jones or Patrick Jones from the
Vikings from what I heard is gonna have a lot
of interest. Is a guy that can show they can
do a bunch of different things, and that.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Guy could surprise people. So there you go. There's my
there's my free agent.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
All right, everybody tune into NFL Network and when Patrick
Jones gets drafted, tweet me and Mike it's at Mike
Garafalo on Twitter.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Yeah you know, I love it, Thanks for joining.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
You got it the off season with Peter Schrager.

Speaker 7 (44:36):
Appreciate you, dude. All right, So that's Mike Garatfollo.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
I bring on Aaron wan Kaufman, my co host, who's
about to be on vacation for a couple of weeks
before we get to all the free agency frenzy and
all that. Your reaction, give me one thought on on
either a A Jordan Schultz, who is an NFL insider
altercation with Ian Rappaport in front of a Starbucks.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Jordan's dad is the former CEO Starbucks.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
You can't write the script any better or any of
the quarterback stuff we heard. I know you've got a
view of this stuff that's different than us who live
and breathe it and are in all these conversations. You
kind of look at it as voice of the fan,
but also an educated fan.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
What are your thoughts?

Speaker 8 (45:23):
I'll I'll give you two. First, on the Schultz Rappaport thing.
I loved your take that rap Port should have seen
if he could have gotten a you know, go go
to Caribou Coffee, get it, get an endorsement or something there.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
I'm not I'm not an ambulance chaser, but pardon me.
Thought take a punch and this thing is totally different.
Like Instigator, This is a different story if you take
a nice little sucker punch to the face and it's
on camera.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
I mean, come on.

Speaker 8 (45:48):
I also wonder how many other times I don't know
anything about Jordan Schultz, how many other people has he
tried to intimidate at a Starbucks.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
I honestly think Jordan's a nice pacifist Like this was
very specific, and the backstory is Jordan had a report
on Matthew Stafford and Tom Brady and Ian's tweet about
that report was so dismissive that even I said who
he called it like an erroneous internet rumor and clarified it.
And then this was like, Hey, you're gonna talk smack,
let's let's talk in person.

Speaker 8 (46:17):
And this is the Stafford is visiting Brady's house in Montana.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Let me break let me break this down for us
because I don't live in this one percent world, but
a lot of these football players do. Here's the deal.
There's something called the Yellowstone Club. It's a Melman property,
It's Discovery Land, It's this whole thing, and this is
where it is. Justin Bieber has one of these places,
you know, I mean, Gretzky is one of these places.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
When you're uber uber, uber, uber wealthy, you can.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Pay for a home and with the home comes all
the amenities you could imagine.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
It's basically, you live on one of the nicest golf
courses in the world. You have a.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
Comfort station, you have amazing kids activities like These properties
are insane and they're all inclusive, and you buy one
of the homes for a crazy amount of money and
you just have a place to go where there's no
paparazzi allowed, and there's something. So Tom Brady has one
in Montana at the Yellowstone Club. Guess who else does
Matthew Stafford. So they both were there at the same
time and they talked, and that happens. You can have

(47:12):
a conversation. Jordan's tweet positioned it as Brady, the owner
of the Raiders, hosted Stafford and they had not, and
then Ian was just basically like, that's wrong, that you
don't get it, and then Jordan didn't like how that
was positioned. You add in the fact that he's the
son of the Starbucks CEO, you add him the fact
that he's got this Fox Sports label. I'm not sure
his role at Fox Sports or what that means part time,

(47:32):
full time, but you add in that and that Brady's
the number one highest paid person at Fox Sports, and
there's all these different sorts of like, well, wait, I'm confused,
is he Fox?

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Is he gat this from Brady?

Speaker 1 (47:44):
So that was that, But yes, Caribou Coffee could be
a really nice deal for Ian Rappaport if he wants
to go down that road.

Speaker 8 (47:51):
And then on the quarterbacks, I was not expecting that
much discussing On, Carson wentz of all people, right, the
idea that he could get another starting gig, that's that's amazing.
To think of his transition we run. Yeah, to think
of how he kind of lost in Philadelphia, I mean,
that's not offensive. Everyone knows he lost the name Jalen Hurts.
And to think that he could possibly get another gig

(48:14):
that one surprised me. I was not expecting that name.
I feel like, you know, heard the Jimmy g talk already,
and also excited to see what the Colts do. I'm
not not like a Colts fan or anything, but the
mystique of Anthony Richardson continues to live, and so it
would be great to see him really do well and
get a quarterback that can kind of take him under

(48:36):
their wing and help him get to what we all.
I remember that his draft night and how exciting it
was he got drafted, and I was with someone who
was a Colts fan, and I was like, you must
be thrilled right now, and he.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Went forth overall bro Yeah, and then but once you
tap out of a game, I know it sounds so
superficial and so manly, and like people see that. I
don't think he's made the developments that necessarily and he's
been injured a bunch, you know, he's got the shoulder
injury and all this stuff.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
So we'll see.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
So it's just like just they brought in Flaco to
compete with them, and they went back and forth and
then we'll see if But if I'm Daniel Jones, then
I know they already is a guy there.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
I don't know if I'm signing with the Colts.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
If I'm Daniel Jones, I think the Browns is more attractive,
or if there's another team that's willing to let me
compete for the starting job and I think I can
win it, like that might be better off. So the
Colts were the early team that was mentioned, but I
don't think. Look, I don't know what the market is
for Daniel Jones, but if there's another team, I think
he'd be willing to talk to them too.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
The teams that interested me.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
The most Jets and Raiders, because they don't have a
draft pick that's high enough to just like just say, okay,
we'll just take one of the top two. They might
both be gone, and they're so tortured at that position,
and they've got new brass coming in so like, I
don't know, I do like what I suggested, and we'll
see if it could happen that like Chip Kelly, Tom

(49:53):
Brady and Pete Carroll go to Seattle and they're like
Gino Smith to the Raiders and let's compete.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
I don't know, we'll see.

Speaker 8 (50:00):
That's another one that I really I really like that
Geno discussion.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
But he's under contract, he's got a free so it's like, yeah,
Rogers to the Giants. I still think it's very possible.
I know people have put all this damp water on it.
They're like, you know, he can't. I could see it.
I could see Rogers to the Giants, and I could
see that happening in both sides being like, let's f
the world, let's go do this and let's prove people wrong.

Speaker 8 (50:25):
Yeah, it'd be interesting to see him in that stadium.
Oh wait, we just got a season that we just
got that. Yes, it could could be fun. I mean,
as much as I hate to admit it, he wasn't
horrible last year. He wasn't He played some good games
at the end, especially with DeVante Adams. I don't know
if Adams is gonna go back to stay on the
East coast or if he wants to go to the

(50:46):
West coast. But it could be interesting with him on
the Raiders, I mean sorry, with him on the Giants.
I was just thinking. I texted one of my friends
is a huge Giants fan a couple of days ago
about the possibility of Rogers going to the Giants, and
he was very upset.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
He just I think all the Giants fans are down
on this, Like, there's not one Giants fan who wants
the Jets. Like the Jets, it's got rid of Rogers.
No Giants fan wants the Jets leftovers and like what
they dismissed. But it's a different deal. It's a different deal,
all right, Aaron, enjoy some time off. I'll probably be
back on next week with some free agency stuff once
that starts flying off. But the season with Peter Schrager

(51:22):
continues to roll on. And hey guys, we're back. It's
the off season. It's when we're at our best. Combine awesome.
No fights for me. I just hung in the pocket
and do what I do and just trying to get
through unscathed.

Speaker 9 (51:35):
Thanks for listening to everybody.

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