September 10, 2020 • 29 mins
Jaguars reporter Ashlyn Sullivan welcomes Gardner Minshew's dad, Flint as the first guest on The Shlyn Show, presented by Vystar. You will learn what Gardner was like as a kid, where he got his competitive nature from and the real reason why Flint was in the stands for Gardner's first game last season.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Let's end our first episode of the office. It I
drooled on my sofa. No, he's a dog. I love
my sink. Pick your musty at the shop. If I'd
say everything wrong, I'm reading me and it was the
best day of my life. Welcome to The Slynn Show
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podcast presented by by Star, where we're not afraid to
mess up, We're not afraid to have a little fun.
Come on, and where you'll hear stories about your favorite
Jaguars from the people who know them best. I'm Ashlyn Sullivan.
You're gonna hear from none other than Flint Minshew. That's right, Gardner,
Minshew's dad. We're gonna find out the true origin of
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the statue and how Mississippi Boy has transforms into an
NFL starting quarterback. Flinch, you must be so excited and
so honored that you are the first guest. I'm absolutely honored. Um,
I would hate to see the list of people that
turned you down before you finally got to but but no,
thank you. I always appreciate you guys covering Gardner. We
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don't take any of that stuff for granted. I'd love
to hear that. So take me through the off season.
What has the family been up to. I know you've
been in Jacksonville for a little bit, going back and forth. Right, Yeah,
So Gardner got a house uh this summer, and and
actually my middle daughter, who just graduated from Mississippi State,
moved down there with him. So not only the first wave.
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My well, I went down and kind of checked out everything,
and then my wife went down and made him by
furniture and things like that. Um, you know, she was
worried to death it was gonna be milk crates and
you know, like like spools, these big spools like that
people use for poker tables and stuff like that. So
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she made him get out and buy some furniture and
decorate it. And my my my daughter Meredith, who's living
with him, Um, and that'll be a good break too.
And she's got a doll dog. And and so to
his credit, Gardner asked if she would, uh, if she
wanted to come live with him. I mean, so, of course,
I'm sure there's some swapping out of some duties there
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as far as house cleaning and laundry and things like that.
You guys seem like a very close knit family, and
Gardner seems very close to his sisters, what what kind
of brother is he? Is he the protective kind? Like
I see that Kelly has a boyfriend? Now, so how
did that work? Was it? Really? And Meredith does as
well too. Um, you know, it's kind of different. So
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it's different with Meredith because they're so close in age
and they ran kind of in the same circles. And
and then like with Kellie, her being I guess she's
what about five years younger than him. She she accuses
him of being dad two point oh, because we're we're
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real big on you know, hey, what did you do
as far as working out? Are you doing this? Are
you doing that? Then she gets away from me, and
then Gardner's asking her the same thing. So, um, so
it's a different relationship. They're all pretty very close. We've
been very fortunate that we, you know, doing what Kim
and I do, we were all able to spend a
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lot of time together, and you know, all these tournaments
and you know, soccer, volleyball, baseball, you you get spent
a lot of time together and athletic family, to say
the least, that's for sure. I tell people Ashland all
the time, I'm married. Well, you know that's a that's
a huge part of it. I tell my kids too.
I'm like, look, I'll be bringing home any little mules.
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I'm like, uh, I don't want to be embarrassing to
watch my grandkids play ball. Yep, they better choose wisely
if they're listening. That's right, that's right, that's try. So
tell us about Gardener as a kid. Do you have
any funny stories like my mom is always so embarrassing.
She tells the story of how I got my head
stuck under a sink when I was eight year old
and I took chip my tooth, and she always tells
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this embarrassing story about me. Is there an embarrassing story
about Gardner that he's gonna be all mad that you
share with us? I don't know, because we're all pretty,
you know, pretty thick skinned anyway, as far as I mean,
we're always you know, there's a little minshew sarcasm out
there that we all kind of share in that sense
of humor. I'll tell you one time, and I always
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tell this because it was a big part of his
I think his development, even though he was so young
at the time, he had played based a little coach
pitch baseball, and it was when we still lived in Carthage,
a little town of people. He didn't make the All
Star team, and he was kind of pissing and moaning
about that. And boy, his mom let into him and said, look,
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you don't deserve to be an All Star. Your dad
would try to get Now, this is like he's six,
seven years old. She was like, every time your dad
had tried to get you outside the hit or two
to throw. You didn't want to do that. She wanted to,
you know, play with us or play with that. You
don't deserve to be an All Star. And I tell you,
from that point on, it kind of flipped the switch
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with him. I mean really and from that point on,
like I said, he really took to practice and it
didn't matter what it was. And to the end, to
the point to where he passed. Forward a couple of
years later, if we went out and lost a baseball game,
and there again, I'm talking to seven or eight year
old little red baseball. You know, if if a couple
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of kids stunk and they had not been to practice,
you know, he wanted me to beat up the kid's
dad's for not bringing them to practice. You know, over
there crying and just like Nash and to teeth, you know,
just like so and so sucks their dad won't bring
him to practice. They can't catch a flyball. Dad beat
the shout of it. And I'm like, Sonny can't say,
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you know, And I'm like, but I get it. I
don't like your dad either, because I was just as
bad as he was. So just little things like that
early on, like I think him thought for a while
he might need therapy, I mean, just because he was
so over the top. And it's like, well, you can
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take that and back it off and hopefully keep him
out of prison. At a soccer tournament, and fast forward
a couple of years, they came in second, and you
know how, they get together under Villon and pass out
the medals for the first and second place team. And
he's walking up and getting his and and he didn't understand,
Like he's distraught, you know, and and his teammates are
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asking around, laughing, and he doesn't understand that number one,
so he's even more mad. And then number two, like
they put the medal on his and he walks by
the garbage can and just throws it in the garbage
And we're just kind of sitting there and I'm you know,
we get to the car and I'm like, look, man,
I get it, but you can't throw away the medal
in front of the name tournament director and all this mess,
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and like you gotta just you know. And so there
was always things like that that that you knew early on.
He was really competitive and he equated early on hard
work to success. It seems like the competitive nature has
a definitely paid off to say the least, use it
for good. Yeah, and hey, and and he got it. Honest,
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Kim and I are the same way. I can't say
that we don't know where that came from. I mean
we're you know, because and once we'd get in the
car and I'd be like that some of them he
needs to bring that kid to practice, he can't, you know.
So so we were yeah, yeah, you know, we're talking
freaking eight year old kid, bitch baseball. You know, nothing
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wrong with that. Let's talk with a little ball. Shall
we go back to high school? The lack I think
most Jaguar stands no gardener story, how he was really
successful in high school but had that lack of offers
that was hanging over him. But now fast forwarding, how
do you think that shaped him going forward. So there
it was some very hard, hurtful times, you know, because
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he was super productive. I mean he won. He won
as a day ninth grader. I mean you know, he
won and and was productive, could make the throws and
and and just could do what he need to do. Um.
And I say at the end of the day, and
I still say it, these guys that recruit our sheep.
You know, nobody wants to go out and say, hey,
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I don't know what these other guys are thinking, but
that that's my guy. You know, he's won fifty games
in high school and six a ball. He's done this
and done that, and so uh and hey, I'm still
better about it, Like, uh, somebody I want to call
who the coach is, but somebody brought him up and
I'm like, oh, screw that guy. Man, he's a piece
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of and because he's one of the guys that led well.
And I tell you what it was, he led Gardner
long on through and at the end of the day
he was just planning on trying to get him to
walk on. And somebody's like, man, why are you still
like that? It worked out good for Gardener? And I'm like, look,
you worked out good for Jesus too, but he's not
inviting Judas over for supper, and he goes that's pretty extreme.
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So and I'm kind of rambling on you here, and
I'm sorry about that. Going back to high school, those
those things always shaped him. But at the end of
the day, he never he was more about winning the
ball game. And that's one thing I'm super proud of
because he he just wanted to win and the other stuff.
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You know, we always felt like it would take care
of itself. Now, there was some times there that we
were like, guys, damn you know what, you know, just
this kid needs a break. I mean, you know, all
three in state schools here not only passed on him
Ashland out of high school, they passed on him out
of junior college, and then they passed on him when
he graduated from East Carolina. I mean Old Miss Mississippi
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State and Southern Miss Southern Miss Okay who played on
TV last night, you know lost of South Alabama, but
all passed on you know, three times. So, um, there's
a lot of comments I can make about that whole
process there. At the end of the day, I think
a lot of these guys are just cheap, and they
don't want to make a decision that might hurt there.
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It's a really easy to offer a guy that's got
a bunch of other offers because then if you don't
because then if he doesn't work out, you can go well,
you know he had offered from so and so and
so we were all wrong. But yeah, so, um so anyway,
I could go on for hours if we need. If
you ever get the court here, but yeah, if you
ever get stuck from material, let's talk recruiting one day
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and um and I'll really I'll really light into it. Well,
have the whole episode about the recruiting process and send
it to every single college coach. I'll show Yeah, yeah,
I give my cell phone. If you disagree with me,
call me. Yeah, let's let's talk about it and let
me tell you the other part of that. And I'm
a big believer in this. They say, hey, we want leadership,
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we want grades, we want that. That is bullet because
Gardner was four point plus graduated early thirty plus on
the A C T. You know Mr Brandon High school.
So so if anybody ever tells you that, say, look
to sell that to somebody else. That's a crop yep.
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My friend Flip Minshew said, I don't think that's right.
You can disagree with him his her cell phone. All hey,
I'll give my wife cell phone. She'll really like it.
We don't need that. We don't need that. All right,
let's last forward to UH to Washington State. That's when
I was, I guess born to the Minshew media. That's
when I found out who Gardner Minshew was. I remember
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watching college game day and then being at Washington State.
So when for your family, when did you guys kind
of look at each other and say, all right, this
is for real. Gardner's got a solid shot here, you know.
So going back even like to East Carolina, and we
always knew, hey, he'll be able to get in the
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camp somewhere and just proven when we and we literally
thought that's what he's gonna to do. He's gonna be
an undrafted free agent. He's going to get into camp,
maybe get on a practice squad, catch a break here.
So we we were never and even when the whole
stuff about going to Alabama, he was not hanging up
his cleats. Our thought was, hey, if he goes to Alabama,
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he'll even if you doesn't play it down, somebody will
pick him up for camp, you know. Um, so we
get to Washington State, you know, in his first games
out Woming and you know, they win, and then um,
and then you get like second or third week there
at at em Pullment and you start seeing all these
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people with the mustaches in the stands. And let me
tell you that's a great place up there. Um. Pullman
is way different than most people think about. Like, um,
the state of Washington is actually a very rule agricultural,
you know, grassroots type of people when you take out
Seattle and and and a couple of cities like that.
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So it's really a lot like the people in Mississippi.
I mean just just and they're like the people there
in Jacksonville as well. So um, and they just embraced
him and and you know, it was kind of a
perfect storm. And I don't want to say that. Um.
You know, they had been through so much with the
Halenzk Tyler Herlenski passing in January, and I mean they
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were just they were hurting. The team was hurting, the
coaching staff. And so when Gardner goes in there kind
of you know, and and and he was just wanting
to go win games there again, he was thrilled to
be playing for Leech. He had been running elements of
Leeches system his whole football career, and um and so.
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And I think when he got there too, the journey
he had, he appreciated the opportunity more than a typical
kid with that age, because you think about and in
East Carolina, they were just not good. I mean, and
they had fired a coach and everybody loved, you know,
just didn't win a lot of games, and and and
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so to get up there and even have an opportunity
to win six seven, eight games to go to a
bowl game, you know, I kind of kid about it.
I mean, we just wanted to go to the freaking
wheat uh poolan we eat our bowl, you know, because
he had never gotten to go to a bowl, you
know what I'm saying. I mean, he was always done.
Last game of the season. Do you remember thinking, Wow,
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my son's on TV and it's all about his mustache.
That's kind of weird. H Well, but you know, and
a good thing was he was leaving the country and passing,
and the whole mustache thing, like that goofy kind of
stuff that doesn't that didn't bother he had always gone
the mustache for camp, like to try to get the
other quarterbacks, just to kind of do something and uh
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and up there, people just kept asking about it, you know,
when you're gonna shave the mustache and when, don't you know?
And he's and it just kind of evolved. And at
the end of the day, I was just glad. He
was happy. They were winning ball games, having fun. You know,
he was healthy. Like the whole time at East Carolina.
He had had a left shoulder that would you know,
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he had a problem with and finally had surgery on that.
And that's what he wants for Jacksonville. I mean, that's
I mean, he wants to go help him win ball games.
And if he if that meant, you know, handed off
forty times a game, and he would be fine with
it because at the end of the day, and we
learned this at East Carolina, you can have individual success
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and it could still be miserable. Right, definitely has the
will to win. So let's go last season game one,
chiefs Gardner goes in, where are you are you watching
on TV? Are you at the game? No, I'm actually
at the game. And so it was one of those
things that I was like, man, he's not gonna play.
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I'm not gonna go. And really, at the end of
the day, Kim had some kitchen stuff she wanted me
to bring down for his apartment, and she was like, Hey,
you really ought to go. It's his first game. You know,
I've been to all the preseason games. She's like, you
really ought to go. And at the end the back
of her mind, I think she really just wanted me
to take off his kitchen stuff down to it. But
it's funny. So last night I was at the Southern
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Miss game and um and Logan Cook's dad was there
and we were visiting. Uh he he lives down that
way and we're only an hour and a half from there,
and um, and we were talking about because you know,
Logan when that happened, he was the emergency quarterback and
uh and like limb, his dad is on the phone
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calling like our text and some of his family and
like they're getting sick because they're thinking, man, he's gonna
have to go in. And and so even Logan said
he started watching and every time Gardner get hit, he'd
be like, oh no, it's a getting up, you know,
and stuff like that, and UHU and his dad saw
him fitting them what you know what the quarterback has
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a helmet with a speaker in it and all that,
and they saw him fitting them with that and giving
him arm band, and it was a chain reaction, you know.
And there again actually, and I know this sounds so clicheous,
but it's so true. Um. I really just like when
he got in, Okay, we're down, let's get a first down.
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Let's you know, let's try to go down and put
together a score and drive. Um. That was really what
I was thinking more than anything. And now we went
to uh Calfred chop House that night after the Oh
my gosh, yes, I mean there's a few great places
there over that place. Um, and he and I kind
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of sit down and we kind of look at each
other and we're like, man, what the hell just happened here? Like,
you know, we know Nick's out, and we're like, oh
my gosh, you know, and you just went in and
you did well. And at the end of the day
you still, you know, lost a game, but you're like,
all right, now, man, you just played. I mean, this
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is it. So it was kind of surreal, and you know,
it was great to be there and share that with him,
just because I literally been there since he played his
first you know, plagued football game, and so it was awesome.
So you're forever thankful for your wife that had kitchen
stuff to go down to go. Yeah. Absolutely absolutely. And
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then obviously Thursday night football against the Titans, that for
I think us was really the shining moment that, Wow,
we are in the heat of this. This is so cool, Minshew.
Magic is is everywhere. And I remember you standing on
the stage NFL Network the postgame interview and it's you
and your family and you're looking around. What's going through
your head at that moment? Well, okay, so back up
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a little bit. So it's late, it's like in the
fourth quarter, and you know, we were ahead, but we
weren't that far ahead. And so one of the one
of the ladies with the Jaguars is like, hey, we
want you and your family to come down. And I'm like, okay,
we'll come down. And she's like, well come on, I'm
like I'm not coming right now. This game and over.
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You know, I'm gonna sit right here and watch. And
so she stood there and watched with us because you know,
like I said, I wouldn't go in anywhere. I wouldn't.
So we get down there and they never told us.
They said, hey, we want you all to be down there,
just a surprise gardener he's gonna be on and I'm like, okay, cool.
And then we get down there. They start miking me up.
They start biking me up and everybody around me. He's like, uh,
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let's see gonna you know, yeah, at least the game's over.
I'm not gonna blurt something out, you know. And so
we really didn't know we were going on stage. So
we were going on stage. You know. Of course you
go up there and there's Mikeelerbers. I think Maurice Joan
Drew was there as well, wasn't Yeah, and then uh,
Steve Smith. People ask you, oh man, you work out,
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and you know, I always just say something stupid, like
you know, now I do this or do that. I
think I said I run marathons or something you did.
I watched the interview this morning. Yeah yeah, and it's like,
you know, what do you say to that? Yeah? I work, yeah,
you know, so, um, and I tell you one cool
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thing that really and this wasn't on camera, And I
don't mind sharing it. So Michael Irvin. You know how
he dresses. Man, He's always dressed. Yeah. So his shoes
matched his his suit, like the same pattern. And so
we're walking off the stage, you know, you know, cameras
are off and all that, and uh, I said, hey, Mike,
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I said, I noticed some shoes right there, and he goes, Man,
I appreciate that, brother, he said. Let me tell you something.
He said the NFL. He goes, I commend you on
being a father. He goes to NFL Nie needs more families,
and you know in bobed in here and and that
that kind of stood out to me. I really appreciated that.
But you know, it's so true because we deal with
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so much stuff and all this, and and I think
a lot of things would be a lot better, you know,
if if there were more family unity like that. Yeah,
I mean, you think about it. I can't remember another
time like that where it's a postgame interview and a
family like that is on the stage. Yeah. Yeah, of course.
My wife's always given me craps. He's like, what did
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you do? Did you go down? I'm like, no, they
asked me to come down. You made them on stage. Yeah, exactly.
We can't talk about all the antics. And I think
that's what makes him so fun to be around, to
be a part of this team. I think the first
thing that stands outs are in a press conference and
he's telling us how he took a hammer to his
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hand you to get a medical red shirt in college,
and we're thinking, what the heck is this kid? I
can just chuckle. He says, well, hey, let me tell
you the bad part about that is he and I
talked about that. Now. I didn't know it was gonna
be a hammer, but I mean, so when he went
to East Carolina, he was supposed to go there and
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red shirt, and they have one quarterback quit and then
another one got hurt, and then Phil gets hurt and
he has to go I mean, he has to go
in and we're like, dang, you know, and so the
red shirts blown and and at this point now we're
on the phone. I'm at home in Mississippi and he's
up there and it's like, yeah, I mean I kind
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of get it. I mean, you know, I'm like, what
are you gonna do. I'm like, you're gonna slam me
hand in a card or I'm not saying, hey, you
need to do this by any means, but I know
he's gonna do it anyway, so I'm trying, you know.
And and what's bad is when that story came out,
my wife comes to me and she goes, hey, did
you know about that? And I'm like, well, yeah I did,
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and She's like, oh my god, you like Father of
the Year. So yeah. But the good thing about all
that is, and Ashton, you've been around him enough to
know and your teammates would know that's just him, you know. Uh,
if you were trying to be fake about that, I mean,
y'all would have seen through that by game six last year.
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You know, it doesn't work. So that's that's just his personality.
And one thing I always tell him before is four
games and ill was, Hey, go out there and have
fun because that's what that's what it's supposed to be.
And the day it doesn't become fun, I mean, that's
a that's a sad day. Gardner and I are the
same age, and I always find it interesting. He seems
like such an old soul. I remember going up to
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Jaguars Lunch one day. Yogurt part fay bar, best part
of Jaguars Lunch. Gardners sme there speaker phone. The Doobie
Brothers is playing. The only reason I know the Doobie
Brothers is because my mom made me go to a
concert two weeks ago. I'm thinking of your old guy
is willingly listening to the Doobie Brothers. Well, and part
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of that might be my fault becomes, you know, like
riding around a lot of these parents put the radio on,
you know, Radio Disney or Kids Bop or some crap
like that. Now we were we were rolling with Led
Zeppelin and Almand Brothers and everybody else. So it might
be one of those things that he just, you know,
didn't really have a choice, that's what he knows, uh,
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But now he does. He and um, y'all got a
guy there in Jacksonville that what his dad was in
the Almond Brothers or uh Tedesky is right, And he
actually got to meet him and spend some time with
him this week. And so he's been trying to learn
to play the guitar. And that's another one of those
things he's doing just so when he gets home, he's
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not thinking about ball. He's just practicing the guitar. But
you know, it wasn't much Britney spears or anything like
that going on in my truck. You seem like Britney
spears at a guy that surprises me. Well, you know,
she is a Mississippi girl. But I mean, let's just
don't tell anybody, you know, um um, anybody asked, If
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anybody asked, it's it's it's Almond Brothers. So it's interesting.
Gardner said something a couple of weeks ago that definitely
we've taken notice too, is this is his first camp
since high school coming in that he knew he was
the starting quarterback, and we're already already noticing a difference,
and it's confidence. He definitely is carrying himself like a starter.
What have you seen from him this offseason? What conversations
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have you had that that makes you think he's definitely
taking this opportunity to his advantage. I think that's one thing.
He has a perspective that it could all end pretty quick.
And you know, he's worked his whole life to be
where he is right now, but he doesn't. He's not
satisfied where he is right now. I think the only
way he knows how to go about it is to compete.
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We got all these little minshewisms around the house that
they heard his kids growing up, and one of them is, hey,
if you're not getting better, you're getting worse. You don't
ever stay the same and so and there's a lot
of truth to that. I mean, they got sick of
hearing it, but uh, but you know, that's just kind
of ingrained at them, and and he took to it.
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They need to go out there and have a good
start against Indianapolis, figure out who they are, and then
uh and what works and what doesn't work. I'm not
a big expectations guy because I know, I mean, you
just look at last year, and nobody talks about this
with Jacksonville. Like I remember at one point last year,
it was later in the season, He's like, I literally
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don't know half the guys on the defense. There were
so many injuries, you know, and then like you look
at a guy like like dam Josh Oliver, you know,
and just how fragile it is when you got fifty
three guys out there and man, five or six of
those guys get hurt and you're like, oh my god.
And then everybody else is kind of going through some
of that, and so they're trying to pick up the
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pieces and put back together. And you know that. I
hate to say there's a little luck involved, because you
make your luck, but you better you better be ready
to roll with the changes and because there's gonna be
some you know, every week. I do think that what
the Jaguars are doing. I get tickled at the whole
tanking thing because and I think Gardner said this other
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day and his interview, and it's like, dude, if they tank,
they're gonna lose their freaking jobs. I mean, I mean
card Is Gardners included cal Well, all the coaches. I mean,
you know, nobody keeps guys around because they like them.
You've got to be productive. I mean that that just
people are that naive or you know, and I guess
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people just want an excuse, you know, they want to
be angry about stuff, you know. And I think they
got a good core group. They got guys that want
to be there. And I think that's part of what
Carl Well at Marone, not that I'm privy to any
kind of conversation, and in truth, he told Gardner and
I don't talk about stuff like that. You can't. You
can't convinced me that they're not trying to do what's
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best for the team right now, because they like said
that if they don't, they're not They're not gonna be
here in January. Anyway. Yep, I couldn't agree more. Flipman, Shoot,
thanks so much for being our first guest on The
Shlin Show on Right around the Corner. Yeah, hey, little
little trivia. As far as my podcast history, I was on.
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I was the first guest on the Golic Family podcast
as well. And yeah, and they actually gave me Guests
of the Year. But another part of that caveat to
that too is uh I was the only guest they had.
So anyway, you know what you said, A high bar.
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I'm gonna give you guests the years now, Yeah, I said,
I hope you can upgrade weekly. If not, I'm afraid
your podcast will fast for you long. You said a
high bar, don't worry so much. Thank you, and if
you need anything to fall, we'll do. Thanks. I'll talk
to you soon. Can't thank Flintmanto enough for being our
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first guest this week and setting the bar so very high.
I hope everyone found him as entertaining as I did.
And we learned a little bit more about q B one.
So many great people to think for getting this podcast
up and running finally after months of hard work. Joe
fort Tonado, our producer making it sound all nice, Eric
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and Nick and Jags Productions for getting its social media ready,
Savannah Wood for posting, and so many more. I hope
this episode did not make your ears bleed and you
actually somewhat liked it and you'll come back and listen.
If not, we're not friends anymore. See up. Have a
nice life, that's all,
Let's end our first episode of the office. It I
drooled on my sofa. No, he's a dog. I love
my sink. Pick your musty at the shop. If I'd
say everything wrong, I'm reading me and it was the
best day of my life. Welcome to The Slynn Show
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podcast presented by by Star, where we're not afraid to
mess up, We're not afraid to have a little fun.
Come on, and where you'll hear stories about your favorite
Jaguars from the people who know them best. I'm Ashlyn Sullivan.
You're gonna hear from none other than Flint Minshew. That's right, Gardner,
Minshew's dad. We're gonna find out the true origin of
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the statue and how Mississippi Boy has transforms into an
NFL starting quarterback. Flinch, you must be so excited and
so honored that you are the first guest. I'm absolutely honored. Um,
I would hate to see the list of people that
turned you down before you finally got to but but no,
thank you. I always appreciate you guys covering Gardner. We
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don't take any of that stuff for granted. I'd love
to hear that. So take me through the off season.
What has the family been up to. I know you've
been in Jacksonville for a little bit, going back and forth. Right, Yeah,
So Gardner got a house uh this summer, and and
actually my middle daughter, who just graduated from Mississippi State,
moved down there with him. So not only the first wave.
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My well, I went down and kind of checked out everything,
and then my wife went down and made him by
furniture and things like that. Um, you know, she was
worried to death it was gonna be milk crates and
you know, like like spools, these big spools like that
people use for poker tables and stuff like that. So
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she made him get out and buy some furniture and
decorate it. And my my my daughter Meredith, who's living
with him, Um, and that'll be a good break too.
And she's got a doll dog. And and so to
his credit, Gardner asked if she would, uh, if she
wanted to come live with him. I mean, so, of course,
I'm sure there's some swapping out of some duties there
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as far as house cleaning and laundry and things like that.
You guys seem like a very close knit family, and
Gardner seems very close to his sisters, what what kind
of brother is he? Is he the protective kind? Like
I see that Kelly has a boyfriend? Now, so how
did that work? Was it? Really? And Meredith does as
well too. Um, you know, it's kind of different. So
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it's different with Meredith because they're so close in age
and they ran kind of in the same circles. And
and then like with Kellie, her being I guess she's
what about five years younger than him. She she accuses
him of being dad two point oh, because we're we're
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real big on you know, hey, what did you do
as far as working out? Are you doing this? Are
you doing that? Then she gets away from me, and
then Gardner's asking her the same thing. So, um, so
it's a different relationship. They're all pretty very close. We've
been very fortunate that we, you know, doing what Kim
and I do, we were all able to spend a
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lot of time together, and you know, all these tournaments
and you know, soccer, volleyball, baseball, you you get spent
a lot of time together and athletic family, to say
the least, that's for sure. I tell people Ashland all
the time, I'm married. Well, you know that's a that's
a huge part of it. I tell my kids too.
I'm like, look, I'll be bringing home any little mules.
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I'm like, uh, I don't want to be embarrassing to
watch my grandkids play ball. Yep, they better choose wisely
if they're listening. That's right, that's right, that's try. So
tell us about Gardener as a kid. Do you have
any funny stories like my mom is always so embarrassing.
She tells the story of how I got my head
stuck under a sink when I was eight year old
and I took chip my tooth, and she always tells
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this embarrassing story about me. Is there an embarrassing story
about Gardner that he's gonna be all mad that you
share with us? I don't know, because we're all pretty,
you know, pretty thick skinned anyway, as far as I mean,
we're always you know, there's a little minshew sarcasm out
there that we all kind of share in that sense
of humor. I'll tell you one time, and I always
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tell this because it was a big part of his
I think his development, even though he was so young
at the time, he had played based a little coach
pitch baseball, and it was when we still lived in Carthage,
a little town of people. He didn't make the All
Star team, and he was kind of pissing and moaning
about that. And boy, his mom let into him and said, look,
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you don't deserve to be an All Star. Your dad
would try to get Now, this is like he's six,
seven years old. She was like, every time your dad
had tried to get you outside the hit or two
to throw. You didn't want to do that. She wanted to,
you know, play with us or play with that. You
don't deserve to be an All Star. And I tell you,
from that point on, it kind of flipped the switch
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with him. I mean really and from that point on,
like I said, he really took to practice and it
didn't matter what it was. And to the end, to
the point to where he passed. Forward a couple of
years later, if we went out and lost a baseball game,
and there again, I'm talking to seven or eight year
old little red baseball. You know, if if a couple
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of kids stunk and they had not been to practice,
you know, he wanted me to beat up the kid's
dad's for not bringing them to practice. You know, over
there crying and just like Nash and to teeth, you know,
just like so and so sucks their dad won't bring
him to practice. They can't catch a flyball. Dad beat
the shout of it. And I'm like, Sonny can't say,
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you know, And I'm like, but I get it. I
don't like your dad either, because I was just as
bad as he was. So just little things like that
early on, like I think him thought for a while
he might need therapy, I mean, just because he was
so over the top. And it's like, well, you can
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take that and back it off and hopefully keep him
out of prison. At a soccer tournament, and fast forward
a couple of years, they came in second, and you
know how, they get together under Villon and pass out
the medals for the first and second place team. And
he's walking up and getting his and and he didn't understand,
Like he's distraught, you know, and and his teammates are
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asking around, laughing, and he doesn't understand that number one,
so he's even more mad. And then number two, like
they put the medal on his and he walks by
the garbage can and just throws it in the garbage
And we're just kind of sitting there and I'm you know,
we get to the car and I'm like, look, man,
I get it, but you can't throw away the medal
in front of the name tournament director and all this mess,
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and like you gotta just you know. And so there
was always things like that that that you knew early on.
He was really competitive and he equated early on hard
work to success. It seems like the competitive nature has
a definitely paid off to say the least, use it
for good. Yeah, and hey, and and he got it. Honest,
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Kim and I are the same way. I can't say
that we don't know where that came from. I mean
we're you know, because and once we'd get in the
car and I'd be like that some of them he
needs to bring that kid to practice, he can't, you know.
So so we were yeah, yeah, you know, we're talking
freaking eight year old kid, bitch baseball. You know, nothing
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wrong with that. Let's talk with a little ball. Shall
we go back to high school? The lack I think
most Jaguar stands no gardener story, how he was really
successful in high school but had that lack of offers
that was hanging over him. But now fast forwarding, how
do you think that shaped him going forward. So there
it was some very hard, hurtful times, you know, because
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he was super productive. I mean he won. He won
as a day ninth grader. I mean you know, he
won and and was productive, could make the throws and
and and just could do what he need to do. Um.
And I say at the end of the day, and
I still say it, these guys that recruit our sheep.
You know, nobody wants to go out and say, hey,
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I don't know what these other guys are thinking, but
that that's my guy. You know, he's won fifty games
in high school and six a ball. He's done this
and done that, and so uh and hey, I'm still
better about it, Like, uh, somebody I want to call
who the coach is, but somebody brought him up and
I'm like, oh, screw that guy. Man, he's a piece
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of and because he's one of the guys that led well.
And I tell you what it was, he led Gardner
long on through and at the end of the day
he was just planning on trying to get him to
walk on. And somebody's like, man, why are you still
like that? It worked out good for Gardener? And I'm like, look,
you worked out good for Jesus too, but he's not
inviting Judas over for supper, and he goes that's pretty extreme.
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So and I'm kind of rambling on you here, and
I'm sorry about that. Going back to high school, those
those things always shaped him. But at the end of
the day, he never he was more about winning the
ball game. And that's one thing I'm super proud of
because he he just wanted to win and the other stuff.
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You know, we always felt like it would take care
of itself. Now, there was some times there that we
were like, guys, damn you know what, you know, just
this kid needs a break. I mean, you know, all
three in state schools here not only passed on him
Ashland out of high school, they passed on him out
of junior college, and then they passed on him when
he graduated from East Carolina. I mean Old Miss Mississippi
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State and Southern Miss Southern Miss Okay who played on
TV last night, you know lost of South Alabama, but
all passed on you know, three times. So, um, there's
a lot of comments I can make about that whole
process there. At the end of the day, I think
a lot of these guys are just cheap, and they
don't want to make a decision that might hurt there.
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It's a really easy to offer a guy that's got
a bunch of other offers because then if you don't
because then if he doesn't work out, you can go well,
you know he had offered from so and so and
so we were all wrong. But yeah, so, um so anyway,
I could go on for hours if we need. If
you ever get the court here, but yeah, if you
ever get stuck from material, let's talk recruiting one day
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and um and I'll really I'll really light into it. Well,
have the whole episode about the recruiting process and send
it to every single college coach. I'll show Yeah, yeah,
I give my cell phone. If you disagree with me,
call me. Yeah, let's let's talk about it and let
me tell you the other part of that. And I'm
a big believer in this. They say, hey, we want leadership,
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we want grades, we want that. That is bullet because
Gardner was four point plus graduated early thirty plus on
the A C T. You know Mr Brandon High school.
So so if anybody ever tells you that, say, look
to sell that to somebody else. That's a crop yep.
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My friend Flip Minshew said, I don't think that's right.
You can disagree with him his her cell phone. All hey,
I'll give my wife cell phone. She'll really like it.
We don't need that. We don't need that. All right,
let's last forward to UH to Washington State. That's when
I was, I guess born to the Minshew media. That's
when I found out who Gardner Minshew was. I remember
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watching college game day and then being at Washington State.
So when for your family, when did you guys kind
of look at each other and say, all right, this
is for real. Gardner's got a solid shot here, you know.
So going back even like to East Carolina, and we
always knew, hey, he'll be able to get in the
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camp somewhere and just proven when we and we literally
thought that's what he's gonna to do. He's gonna be
an undrafted free agent. He's going to get into camp,
maybe get on a practice squad, catch a break here.
So we we were never and even when the whole
stuff about going to Alabama, he was not hanging up
his cleats. Our thought was, hey, if he goes to Alabama,
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he'll even if you doesn't play it down, somebody will
pick him up for camp, you know. Um, so we
get to Washington State, you know, in his first games
out Woming and you know, they win, and then um,
and then you get like second or third week there
at at em Pullment and you start seeing all these
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people with the mustaches in the stands. And let me
tell you that's a great place up there. Um. Pullman
is way different than most people think about. Like, um,
the state of Washington is actually a very rule agricultural,
you know, grassroots type of people when you take out
Seattle and and and a couple of cities like that.
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So it's really a lot like the people in Mississippi.
I mean just just and they're like the people there
in Jacksonville as well. So um, and they just embraced
him and and you know, it was kind of a
perfect storm. And I don't want to say that. Um.
You know, they had been through so much with the
Halenzk Tyler Herlenski passing in January, and I mean they
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were just they were hurting. The team was hurting, the
coaching staff. And so when Gardner goes in there kind
of you know, and and and he was just wanting
to go win games there again, he was thrilled to
be playing for Leech. He had been running elements of
Leeches system his whole football career, and um and so.
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And I think when he got there too, the journey
he had, he appreciated the opportunity more than a typical
kid with that age, because you think about and in
East Carolina, they were just not good. I mean, and
they had fired a coach and everybody loved, you know,
just didn't win a lot of games, and and and
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so to get up there and even have an opportunity
to win six seven, eight games to go to a
bowl game, you know, I kind of kid about it.
I mean, we just wanted to go to the freaking
wheat uh poolan we eat our bowl, you know, because
he had never gotten to go to a bowl, you
know what I'm saying. I mean, he was always done.
Last game of the season. Do you remember thinking, Wow,
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my son's on TV and it's all about his mustache.
That's kind of weird. H Well, but you know, and
a good thing was he was leaving the country and passing,
and the whole mustache thing, like that goofy kind of
stuff that doesn't that didn't bother he had always gone
the mustache for camp, like to try to get the
other quarterbacks, just to kind of do something and uh
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and up there, people just kept asking about it, you know,
when you're gonna shave the mustache and when, don't you know?
And he's and it just kind of evolved. And at
the end of the day, I was just glad. He
was happy. They were winning ball games, having fun. You know,
he was healthy. Like the whole time at East Carolina.
He had had a left shoulder that would you know,
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he had a problem with and finally had surgery on that.
And that's what he wants for Jacksonville. I mean, that's
I mean, he wants to go help him win ball games.
And if he if that meant, you know, handed off
forty times a game, and he would be fine with
it because at the end of the day, and we
learned this at East Carolina, you can have individual success
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and it could still be miserable. Right, definitely has the
will to win. So let's go last season game one,
chiefs Gardner goes in, where are you are you watching
on TV? Are you at the game? No, I'm actually
at the game. And so it was one of those
things that I was like, man, he's not gonna play.
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I'm not gonna go. And really, at the end of
the day, Kim had some kitchen stuff she wanted me
to bring down for his apartment, and she was like, Hey,
you really ought to go. It's his first game. You know,
I've been to all the preseason games. She's like, you
really ought to go. And at the end the back
of her mind, I think she really just wanted me
to take off his kitchen stuff down to it. But
it's funny. So last night I was at the Southern
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Miss game and um and Logan Cook's dad was there
and we were visiting. Uh he he lives down that
way and we're only an hour and a half from there,
and um, and we were talking about because you know,
Logan when that happened, he was the emergency quarterback and
uh and like limb, his dad is on the phone
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calling like our text and some of his family and
like they're getting sick because they're thinking, man, he's gonna
have to go in. And and so even Logan said
he started watching and every time Gardner get hit, he'd
be like, oh no, it's a getting up, you know,
and stuff like that, and UHU and his dad saw
him fitting them what you know what the quarterback has
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a helmet with a speaker in it and all that,
and they saw him fitting them with that and giving
him arm band, and it was a chain reaction, you know.
And there again actually, and I know this sounds so clicheous,
but it's so true. Um. I really just like when
he got in, Okay, we're down, let's get a first down.
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Let's you know, let's try to go down and put
together a score and drive. Um. That was really what
I was thinking more than anything. And now we went
to uh Calfred chop House that night after the Oh
my gosh, yes, I mean there's a few great places
there over that place. Um, and he and I kind
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of sit down and we kind of look at each
other and we're like, man, what the hell just happened here? Like,
you know, we know Nick's out, and we're like, oh
my gosh, you know, and you just went in and
you did well. And at the end of the day
you still, you know, lost a game, but you're like,
all right, now, man, you just played. I mean, this
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is it. So it was kind of surreal, and you know,
it was great to be there and share that with him,
just because I literally been there since he played his
first you know, plagued football game, and so it was awesome.
So you're forever thankful for your wife that had kitchen
stuff to go down to go. Yeah. Absolutely absolutely. And
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then obviously Thursday night football against the Titans, that for
I think us was really the shining moment that, Wow,
we are in the heat of this. This is so cool, Minshew.
Magic is is everywhere. And I remember you standing on
the stage NFL Network the postgame interview and it's you
and your family and you're looking around. What's going through
your head at that moment? Well, okay, so back up
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a little bit. So it's late, it's like in the
fourth quarter, and you know, we were ahead, but we
weren't that far ahead. And so one of the one
of the ladies with the Jaguars is like, hey, we
want you and your family to come down. And I'm like, okay,
we'll come down. And she's like, well come on, I'm
like I'm not coming right now. This game and over.
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You know, I'm gonna sit right here and watch. And
so she stood there and watched with us because you know,
like I said, I wouldn't go in anywhere. I wouldn't.
So we get down there and they never told us.
They said, hey, we want you all to be down there,
just a surprise gardener he's gonna be on and I'm like, okay, cool.
And then we get down there. They start miking me up.
They start biking me up and everybody around me. He's like, uh,
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let's see gonna you know, yeah, at least the game's over.
I'm not gonna blurt something out, you know. And so
we really didn't know we were going on stage. So
we were going on stage. You know. Of course you
go up there and there's Mikeelerbers. I think Maurice Joan
Drew was there as well, wasn't Yeah, and then uh,
Steve Smith. People ask you, oh man, you work out,
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and you know, I always just say something stupid, like
you know, now I do this or do that. I
think I said I run marathons or something you did.
I watched the interview this morning. Yeah yeah, and it's like,
you know, what do you say to that? Yeah? I work, yeah,
you know, so, um, and I tell you one cool
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thing that really and this wasn't on camera, And I
don't mind sharing it. So Michael Irvin. You know how
he dresses. Man, He's always dressed. Yeah. So his shoes
matched his his suit, like the same pattern. And so
we're walking off the stage, you know, you know, cameras
are off and all that, and uh, I said, hey, Mike,
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I said, I noticed some shoes right there, and he goes, Man,
I appreciate that, brother, he said. Let me tell you something.
He said the NFL. He goes, I commend you on
being a father. He goes to NFL Nie needs more families,
and you know in bobed in here and and that
that kind of stood out to me. I really appreciated that.
But you know, it's so true because we deal with
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so much stuff and all this, and and I think
a lot of things would be a lot better, you know,
if if there were more family unity like that. Yeah,
I mean, you think about it. I can't remember another
time like that where it's a postgame interview and a
family like that is on the stage. Yeah. Yeah, of course.
My wife's always given me craps. He's like, what did
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you do? Did you go down? I'm like, no, they
asked me to come down. You made them on stage. Yeah, exactly.
We can't talk about all the antics. And I think
that's what makes him so fun to be around, to
be a part of this team. I think the first
thing that stands outs are in a press conference and
he's telling us how he took a hammer to his
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hand you to get a medical red shirt in college,
and we're thinking, what the heck is this kid? I
can just chuckle. He says, well, hey, let me tell
you the bad part about that is he and I
talked about that. Now. I didn't know it was gonna
be a hammer, but I mean, so when he went
to East Carolina, he was supposed to go there and
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red shirt, and they have one quarterback quit and then
another one got hurt, and then Phil gets hurt and
he has to go I mean, he has to go
in and we're like, dang, you know, and so the
red shirts blown and and at this point now we're
on the phone. I'm at home in Mississippi and he's
up there and it's like, yeah, I mean I kind
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of get it. I mean, you know, I'm like, what
are you gonna do. I'm like, you're gonna slam me
hand in a card or I'm not saying, hey, you
need to do this by any means, but I know
he's gonna do it anyway, so I'm trying, you know.
And and what's bad is when that story came out,
my wife comes to me and she goes, hey, did
you know about that? And I'm like, well, yeah I did,
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and She's like, oh my god, you like Father of
the Year. So yeah. But the good thing about all
that is, and Ashton, you've been around him enough to
know and your teammates would know that's just him, you know. Uh,
if you were trying to be fake about that, I mean,
y'all would have seen through that by game six last year.
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You know, it doesn't work. So that's that's just his personality.
And one thing I always tell him before is four
games and ill was, Hey, go out there and have
fun because that's what that's what it's supposed to be.
And the day it doesn't become fun, I mean, that's
a that's a sad day. Gardner and I are the
same age, and I always find it interesting. He seems
like such an old soul. I remember going up to
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Jaguars Lunch one day. Yogurt part fay bar, best part
of Jaguars Lunch. Gardners sme there speaker phone. The Doobie
Brothers is playing. The only reason I know the Doobie
Brothers is because my mom made me go to a
concert two weeks ago. I'm thinking of your old guy
is willingly listening to the Doobie Brothers. Well, and part
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of that might be my fault becomes, you know, like
riding around a lot of these parents put the radio on,
you know, Radio Disney or Kids Bop or some crap
like that. Now we were we were rolling with Led
Zeppelin and Almand Brothers and everybody else. So it might
be one of those things that he just, you know,
didn't really have a choice, that's what he knows, uh,
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But now he does. He and um, y'all got a
guy there in Jacksonville that what his dad was in
the Almond Brothers or uh Tedesky is right, And he
actually got to meet him and spend some time with
him this week. And so he's been trying to learn
to play the guitar. And that's another one of those
things he's doing just so when he gets home, he's
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not thinking about ball. He's just practicing the guitar. But
you know, it wasn't much Britney spears or anything like
that going on in my truck. You seem like Britney
spears at a guy that surprises me. Well, you know,
she is a Mississippi girl. But I mean, let's just
don't tell anybody, you know, um um, anybody asked, If
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anybody asked, it's it's it's Almond Brothers. So it's interesting.
Gardner said something a couple of weeks ago that definitely
we've taken notice too, is this is his first camp
since high school coming in that he knew he was
the starting quarterback, and we're already already noticing a difference,
and it's confidence. He definitely is carrying himself like a starter.
What have you seen from him this offseason? What conversations
(25:31):
have you had that that makes you think he's definitely
taking this opportunity to his advantage. I think that's one thing.
He has a perspective that it could all end pretty quick.
And you know, he's worked his whole life to be
where he is right now, but he doesn't. He's not
satisfied where he is right now. I think the only
way he knows how to go about it is to compete.
(25:54):
We got all these little minshewisms around the house that
they heard his kids growing up, and one of them is, hey,
if you're not getting better, you're getting worse. You don't
ever stay the same and so and there's a lot
of truth to that. I mean, they got sick of
hearing it, but uh, but you know, that's just kind
of ingrained at them, and and he took to it.
(26:15):
They need to go out there and have a good
start against Indianapolis, figure out who they are, and then
uh and what works and what doesn't work. I'm not
a big expectations guy because I know, I mean, you
just look at last year, and nobody talks about this
with Jacksonville. Like I remember at one point last year,
it was later in the season, He's like, I literally
(26:37):
don't know half the guys on the defense. There were
so many injuries, you know, and then like you look
at a guy like like dam Josh Oliver, you know,
and just how fragile it is when you got fifty
three guys out there and man, five or six of
those guys get hurt and you're like, oh my god.
And then everybody else is kind of going through some
of that, and so they're trying to pick up the
(26:59):
pieces and put back together. And you know that. I
hate to say there's a little luck involved, because you
make your luck, but you better you better be ready
to roll with the changes and because there's gonna be
some you know, every week. I do think that what
the Jaguars are doing. I get tickled at the whole
tanking thing because and I think Gardner said this other
(27:20):
day and his interview, and it's like, dude, if they tank,
they're gonna lose their freaking jobs. I mean, I mean
card Is Gardners included cal Well, all the coaches. I mean,
you know, nobody keeps guys around because they like them.
You've got to be productive. I mean that that just
people are that naive or you know, and I guess
(27:41):
people just want an excuse, you know, they want to
be angry about stuff, you know. And I think they
got a good core group. They got guys that want
to be there. And I think that's part of what
Carl Well at Marone, not that I'm privy to any
kind of conversation, and in truth, he told Gardner and
I don't talk about stuff like that. You can't. You
can't convinced me that they're not trying to do what's
(28:02):
best for the team right now, because they like said
that if they don't, they're not They're not gonna be
here in January. Anyway. Yep, I couldn't agree more. Flipman, Shoot,
thanks so much for being our first guest on The
Shlin Show on Right around the Corner. Yeah, hey, little
little trivia. As far as my podcast history, I was on.
(28:24):
I was the first guest on the Golic Family podcast
as well. And yeah, and they actually gave me Guests
of the Year. But another part of that caveat to
that too is uh I was the only guest they had.
So anyway, you know what you said, A high bar.
(28:44):
I'm gonna give you guests the years now, Yeah, I said,
I hope you can upgrade weekly. If not, I'm afraid
your podcast will fast for you long. You said a
high bar, don't worry so much. Thank you, and if
you need anything to fall, we'll do. Thanks. I'll talk
to you soon. Can't thank Flintmanto enough for being our
(29:05):
first guest this week and setting the bar so very high.
I hope everyone found him as entertaining as I did.
And we learned a little bit more about q B one.
So many great people to think for getting this podcast
up and running finally after months of hard work. Joe
fort Tonado, our producer making it sound all nice, Eric
(29:26):
and Nick and Jags Productions for getting its social media ready,
Savannah Wood for posting, and so many more. I hope
this episode did not make your ears bleed and you
actually somewhat liked it and you'll come back and listen.
If not, we're not friends anymore. See up. Have a
nice life, that's all,
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