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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Let's talk about chits.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Let's talk about chits. Whoa, yeah, let's do it. Let's
talk about let's talk about those things. Right now, I
hit the intro. It's the tangent giving you all this
ship we couldn't talk about on the air.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
All right, Okay, now tell us about him. Go tits
and dicks.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
I'm familiar with both, very familiar. Yes at the same time. Yeah,
one was reconstructed on me. The other one I never
had so couldn't speak.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Yeah, you was reconstructed.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Go on the room, everybuddy, b we all got them
in here.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Wow. Yeah, good times.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I always think it's funny when a woman says, stuck
my dick. I think that's funny, Like that makes me laugh,
Like if you ever said that to me, and I
hope there would never be a time where you would
need to be that assertive, but I think that's funny,
Like that just makes me laugh.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, I've been known to talk about my dick.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Caitlyn, you wanted to bring up some drama in the room.
There's some drama on the show because apparently Kiki is
a bad business owner, and that's right, and someone in
the room is already calling it out, But you're starting
to sound kind of like my mom. Paulina, go ahead,
tell the story. So you complained to Kiki her T
shirt business to benefit a foundation that she's building called
(01:20):
Kiki's Angels for for kids.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Whose parents died. That's why.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
No, that's exactly right. It's not it's not even a
for profit organization. To go ahead, why don't you explain
about how you were Paulina, Karen, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
I wasn't a bit a Karen. So we were sitting
at the table the porch this morning, five in the morning,
five in the morning, took.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I hadn't even sat down yet. No, no, I hadn't
even sat down.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Kaylee was rocking.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
She's got her shirt. She's rocking her new shirt from
Kiki's from.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Her Which which part of the collection? Did you get?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Always lie?
Speaker 4 (01:52):
I always lie?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
She dropped a new line and I was like, oh crap,
I hey, friend is okay.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I know it's not my business, but we might want
to slow down on the drops because you know, like,
I don't know how you get people to buy any
of them if you just keep releasing them.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Okay, all right, I feel like you need.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
To sell out of you know, one sort of round
and then maybe we move on to another one car
number two, right, number number three actually, because didn't your
aunt already complain?
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Yeah she was the number one actually, yes, okay, anyway,
so I got three hats.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
But be a s Yeah, everybody's a business owner.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
So then you know, Kiki was complimenting Kaylen's shirt. Oh
you got your shirt, that's awesome, and I was like,
here's my shirt, Like, I haven't gotten my shirt. I
ordered it weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I haven't gotten it.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Weeks ago, mind you.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I ordered mine and I had it like before I
was done ordering it, like it showed up the next day.
I was like, why didn't we have this for our
stuff like back when we were doing it.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
Reminded her that I not only watched her order it,
I think on Thursday, which I don't know what, which
is a couple of days ago depending on when you're
listening to this, and also that Kiki has access to
when she orders them.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Yes, so the two weeks was not you know, but
do you have access to where it is right now?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Like where it's been less than a week with a
weekend and a holidays.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
This day, right, Kiki, what's going on in business.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
I'm excited to wear my shirt.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Where is the merchandise discovered? Scammers?
Speaker 4 (03:25):
It says Friday was coming. I'll give you this, Kiki.
It's coming tonight. It's coming tonight. It's not Friday tonight.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
I'm amazing how fast this stuff did come. Yes, yes,
thank you, thank you. I work very hard. I mean
lex and I.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Because you had me convinced this morning that you were
actually mailing them yourself. And then I was like, well
then why didn't you just bring it to me? And
I would have just given you money, you know, And
then you're like, no, it's fulfilled somewhere.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Yeah, I have a I have a factory that I run.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yes, I am yes, yes, I don't ire Paulina. Is
she a liar?
Speaker 1 (03:58):
No? It was very funny to it.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
I don't grow your business so quick like you can
help you.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Okay, first step, get in business and I will help
you to grow the business.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
We gotta make moneys for kikiS t's for Kiki's angels.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
We go, we gotta make money. We're going to be
sending bags, okay to kids. Well one way. I hope
there aren't as many customers as you who.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Complained, it's been weeks and weeks and my product hasn't arrived.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
That's exactly what she did for it.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
It's been weeks that I haven't got my shirt, weeks
and we haven't even been open for weeks, exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Angels Man, Yeah, another one.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
You start to sound like my mom. You know, it's
just like I didn't get that. I didn't receive that.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
That never is It's just ridiculous. And then it turns
out like you.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Didn't even I love you, mom, but like you know,
you didn't even do it right, like you didn't hit send.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
You know.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
It's like the one that's really getting me these days,
off topic is the I didn't get that. It's like,
you know, or it'll be like I'll send her a
text and then it's like, oh, I didn't receive that,
but but you did because it says delivered and you
have your read receipts on that, so lady, you did.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
You did.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
So either I'm worried about your you know, mental acuity,
or or you just want me to do it again
because you you don't want to have to go look
for it. But that's the one is oh I didn't
get that. It's twenty twenty five. You got it, okay. Now,
whether you deleted it or skipped over it or thought
it was spam or I don't know what you did
(05:37):
with it, but like you got it okay, cause because
it doesn't matter where in the world. Almost everywhere you
can get the text I sent that'ts.
Speaker 6 (05:46):
Don't matter with parents, No, they do not know it
does it's whatever they say.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
And I just gave up.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
I'm sorry, I I didn't get it.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, okay, But now what I do is I send
a screenshot of the original message. That's right, well know,
cause it's like know you did, you did, But anyway,
it's okay. I mean, she doesn't have a jitterbug like
she's got a real phone, the same one I have,
so you know whatever. Yeah, I think you should stop
complaining about your business.
Speaker 6 (06:13):
I want to.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I can't believe the business the customer service has been.
I don't know that I've ever seen turnaround like that. Like, honestly,
I ordered the ship I had like three days later.
I'm like, what, how I did not even existed when
you ordered it.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
I was so upset. I would have ordered that day too.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
You know, maybe it would have been nice if you had,
then you could have worn the save that cat shirt
on national television as well.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
You didn't match you and not.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
I just got asked to do another thing for TV,
but luckily they asked me ahead of time, so I
can remember not to wear my save that cat shirt
for the whatever it is you can.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Yes, I might wear that one. That's better than save
that cat.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
You need.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
That's a great message to put on tving. Okay, you
are inspiring.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
People promote that message, so don't. I don't know that
you should save the cat.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I feel like people should pet the cat before they
buy it, you know. I feel like you know, and
you should pet the dog too before you buy it.
I mean, this isn't a one way deal.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
I don't know. I feel like you need to sample
the goods.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
You need to test drive the car, like you know,
unless you're not going to have sex with anybody ever
before then I think you need to test herd. If
you had sex with anyone, then I do not think
that you should say, you know what, willy nilly, we're
just not going to do it before we get married,
because you have some expectation of what it could be,
especially if it was ever good Now, if you're like Bella,
(07:38):
our intern, you know who who was very vocal about this.
She shared this. I'm not outing her, but you know
she was a virgin when she got married and he
was too.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Wasn't he the Hebrew Hammer?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I think, yeah, the Hebrew Hammer was so like, Okay,
I guess if you're going to do that, because you
got nothing to compare it to really, so it's not
like you just committed to a whole life of average
if you're able to discern what average is.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
But I'm telling you you do not need to sit.
You should not.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I'm not saying you should let everybody pet the cat,
but I do think if you're getting serious with someone,
you should the pat the there should be petting of
the cat.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Now, how much importance do you think we should be
placing on that?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I don't know that's a good question. Maybe, I mean
there has to be I think you got to gauge,
like what we're working with now and where we can go. Okay,
you know, I think you got to be like, Okay,
there's there's at least there's chemistry, Like we got to
work on the technique, but like we're into it, like
we're vibing like yeah, sure, yeah, you just got to gauge,
(08:39):
like we got something we can work with here, you know,
because we've all probably had partners, you know, who were
more successful in the partnership than others, And I'm sure
they would say the same about us, because you know,
I don't think everyone's meant to do everything with everybody.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
That's deep.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, I'm sit think about that one for a minute,
but like I don't know, Like I think that there
are people, you know, you could line up, you could
have two or three different partners, and then you could
do something to someone and that it could be very effective,
and then the next person's like, I don't want that
at all. So I think you got to kind of
figure out, like where can we go here, Especially if
you have context and I'm not saying like you have
(09:15):
a moral stance or whatever, then that's fine. Then I
think in that case, you're saying that the moral aspect
of it might be more important.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
To you, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Like, I think it's a big risk to take to
partner with someone for life one and two to do
it in a pure way where you don't have any comparison.
But I think in that case, aren't you saying that
my commitment to my morality or my commitment to faith
or whatever it is comes before my need for immediate
satisfaction in this regard, right Isn't that kind of the point?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (09:47):
Yeah, I don't know. I just think like I would
be scared, Like if the chemistry isn't good or doesn't
stay good, then people will start to stray or look elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
But I think most of the people who are doing
this are are in theory, not the kind of people
who are going to run and get a divorce, because
like if you're if you're maintaining celibacy or something or
or purity because of your religion, that I would like
to believe that you're you know that, that you would
then prioritize other aspects of the marriage and and like
(10:16):
working at it in something like you know what I mean.
I guess it would be weird in my opinion, You're
not weird, but it would be sort of counterproductive to
say I'm going to remain pure for for faith and
then the moment that you have bad sex, divorce the
guy or girl.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
It's a long life though, to think that, like you,
it's a lot of dedication to keep that sort of
thinking up for the rest of your life.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
But if you had nothing to compare it to, then
I guess you wouldn't know necessarily if it were like
exceptional or really really bad or just average. But how
many people, how many people really do that?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
You know?
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Like like if you if you've been with a couple
of people and then you decide with my husband here like.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
We're gonna we're going to abstain.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I think that you might be asked for it, Like
I think, and I'm not saying that you don't marry
the person if the chemistry's not there, but like I
think you really got a question is this is is
can we do something here that's going to sustain me
for you know, the rest of my life. I think
it's a fair question.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
For sure.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
I do think that even though you may not have
anything else to compare it to, I do think even
a virgin would be able to tell if there's not
chemistry in a situation, you know what I mean, Like
before I was doing it all the way, like I
could still tell if I had chemistry with someone, you know,
So I think you could get into that position and
be like, oh.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
We're not compatible in the bedroom at all, you know.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
Yeah, I mean you could learn technique, but I think
chemistry is something that you can't learn.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
But haven't you ever had chemistry with someone and then
it was flat or it didn't Like, I don't know
that just because you have chemistry that gets you in
bed with someone means that you're congruent because you can
have chemistry, but then people can have other sorts of
needs or preferences that you may not want to meet.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
Yeah, technique is like a different thing, but I think
chemistry translates through throughout all parts of like a hookup
or a kiss or But.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I guess it's the technique part that I mean, yes,
the chemistry is mandatory, but like the technique, I don't know,
you got to figure out like this person, is this
person coachable?
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Like can I get him there? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Or do I want to get him there? Like do
I even want to have to do that? Do I
want to be to one? There are people out there
who are like, oh no, I want to teach him.
I want to teach him to do it my way.
And then there are people like I don't want to
have to teach you anything. I just want you to
get it done.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I think you always have to teach someone to some degree.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
I think there's some level of like, but I think
chemistry is like a whole separate thing in my just
in my opinion, like based on what I felt.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
And didn't agree with that.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
But yeah, I definitely think everyone's like, hey, you know,
I like this, or let's try that, or a little
to the left.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah, always to the left, almost never to the right.
But I also think, and I don't put this on
men or women, but I do think like, if you're
someone who doesn't have a firm understanding, whether it's like
self exploration or like, if you don't know what works
on you, I think it's unfair to expect someone else
to be able to figure that out. So I'm again
(13:06):
that's not me saying that if you're, for example, I
think women, you know, typically it can be more complicated
than men to reach that point. And I'm not saying
it's your fault at all, but it's certainly helpful if
you know what you like and can sort of identify. Now,
if the guy doesn't give a shit, or he's not capable,
or is not patient, or he's not trying, or he's
not listening or receptive, well then fuck him. But like,
(13:28):
if you don't know, then I think it's hard to
get frustrated with someone else for not being able to
figure it out, because like we're not mind readers.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
We don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
And the same would go for a dude, Like, if
you know what you like, then I think you should
to Camelin's point, I think you should communicate that because again,
there's a whole bag of tricks and I don't know
which way.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
You know, where are we going?
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Right?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
You know which one works best on you?
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Exactly?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
I got we got to figure that out, right, Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah, I think everyone should expect me do both?
Speaker 3 (14:00):
What like know you're what you like? Want? What's both? Though?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Like both?
Speaker 3 (14:05):
You weren't paying attention. Sorry, that was asking me about
we'll talk. You got to do both. I'm like, no,
it's one or the other. It's a great point, friend,
And I really wanted.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
To hear where she was going with this. Don't tell
me more, tell me more about both, because.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
It was it was it was both men and women both.
You know what.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Let me tell you that you gotta be you got
to be knowledgeable and clueless all at the same time.
You know, you gotta be both. You gotta be you
gotta be eligible. You got to be clueless too. I mean,
that's that's what it is.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
That's what it is. That's it and shop at kiss
dot com. Hello, period, I was with you, and the
more the story, like you.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Have to want to like be able to learn and
take in the information list.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
But you're a very good friend. I love that about That's.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
She has no idea what I said, And I can
tell me. I can tell when when I'm talking to you,
guys are losing. I can tell right away. I can
see you in your eyes. So the difference is the
difference is most of you don't don't feel the need
to then say something if you don't know what I
just said. Because what you missed, Pauline is I just
went on this whole thing about.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Married one we needed you would have been very helpful.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
But guys, I mean before I was married, yes, like
I we had the sex.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I didn't go into this a virgin, really, I.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Mean you were pregnant at your wedding. That is not
surprising information, Tramp. I can't believe I supported that wedding, Tramp.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Unbelievable, ilievable, you had sex before your life.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
I hate to be the one to telling you. I
thought that was somebody else's kids. Crazy. They're telling me
how you're telling me it's his time.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
On the show, you break it on the podcast.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
If you have a kid? What guys, the more you
know you had before marriage? Both wow? Both?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Was it more chemistry or was it more willingness to learn?
Do you feel like chemistry?
Speaker 4 (16:15):
For sure? I lead with chemistry like there is no
we're gonna like, yes, we'll learn, but like learning to
me is more not even just like oh like teaching someone,
because you should never teach a grown ass man. I'm sorry,
it's my hot tache. Like, but I can talk or
tell them like things that I would want do that
makes sense, or like hey, I'm more into this than this.
That's different.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
That's what I think.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
It's helpful if you can tell me like where on
the menu you know you like to eat, you like
me to eat, or you know something period, Yeah, that
that kind of thing, you know.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Yeah, But I'm not teaching a grown man. Absolute, I'm
not teaching like how to funk. Like that's.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Like I understand that.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I guess that's what I mean, though, it's like if
you're both virgins, we don't mean, I guess you know
if it's really good, but you're not gonna know if
it's like the worst, because you don't really know what
to compare it to, or you just expect that it's
not going to be that good because you know one
of you know what you're doing. But if you have
a little experience and then you're like, no, we're gonna
wait thicker than a snicker period, they can. I just
(17:18):
I think you're asking for it. I think you're asking
for it. Yeah, so all right, well there you go.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Both. I think both, Well which one is it?
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Said?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
I think you should wait, and I think you should find.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
That you made during I think you should both.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I think you should remain celibate, but also be a
total horror is what you should do.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
I think both. I think you should be a celibate
horror both. Yeah. Yeah, me to me, I can't believe
you had sex before your marriage. Unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
I don't look at me different.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah, it's gonna take me a few days to get
over it, about as long as will take me to
get my kiki se. When it arrives, everything will be fine.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
In the world. All right, it's the Tangent. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
A bunch of episodes on the iHeart app and wherever
you listen to podcasts, and the regular show, The Fred
Show on demand. That's also up there, YouTube and all
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The Fred Show.
Let's talk about chits.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Let's talk about chits. Whoa, yeah, let's do it. Let's
talk about let's talk about those things. Right now, I
hit the intro. It's the tangent giving you all this
ship we couldn't talk about on the air.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
All right, Okay, now tell us about him. Go tits
and dicks.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
I'm familiar with both, very familiar. Yes at the same time. Yeah,
one was reconstructed on me. The other one I never
had so couldn't speak.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Yeah, you was reconstructed.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Go on the room, everybuddy, b we all got them
in here.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Wow. Yeah, good times.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I always think it's funny when a woman says, stuck
my dick. I think that's funny, Like that makes me laugh,
Like if you ever said that to me, and I
hope there would never be a time where you would
need to be that assertive, but I think that's funny,
Like that just makes me laugh.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, I've been known to talk about my dick.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Caitlyn, you wanted to bring up some drama in the room.
There's some drama on the show because apparently Kiki is
a bad business owner, and that's right, and someone in
the room is already calling it out, But you're starting
to sound kind of like my mom. Paulina, go ahead,
tell the story. So you complained to Kiki her T
shirt business to benefit a foundation that she's building called
(01:20):
Kiki's Angels for for kids.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Whose parents died. That's why.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
No, that's exactly right. It's not it's not even a
for profit organization. To go ahead, why don't you explain
about how you were Paulina, Karen, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
I wasn't a bit a Karen. So we were sitting
at the table the porch this morning, five in the morning,
five in the morning, took.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I hadn't even sat down yet. No, no, I hadn't
even sat down.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Kaylee was rocking.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
She's got her shirt. She's rocking her new shirt from
Kiki's from.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Her Which which part of the collection? Did you get?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Always lie?
Speaker 4 (01:52):
I always lie?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
She dropped a new line and I was like, oh crap,
I hey, friend is okay.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I know it's not my business, but we might want
to slow down on the drops because you know, like,
I don't know how you get people to buy any
of them if you just keep releasing them.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Okay, all right, I feel like you need.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
To sell out of you know, one sort of round
and then maybe we move on to another one car
number two, right, number number three actually, because didn't your
aunt already complain?
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Yeah she was the number one actually, yes, okay, anyway,
so I got three hats.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
But be a s Yeah, everybody's a business owner.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
So then you know, Kiki was complimenting Kaylen's shirt. Oh
you got your shirt, that's awesome, and I was like,
here's my shirt, Like, I haven't gotten my shirt. I
ordered it weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I haven't gotten it.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Weeks ago, mind you.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I ordered mine and I had it like before I
was done ordering it, like it showed up the next day.
I was like, why didn't we have this for our
stuff like back when we were doing it.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
Reminded her that I not only watched her order it,
I think on Thursday, which I don't know what, which
is a couple of days ago depending on when you're
listening to this, and also that Kiki has access to
when she orders them.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Yes, so the two weeks was not you know, but
do you have access to where it is right now?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Like where it's been less than a week with a
weekend and a holidays.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
This day, right, Kiki, what's going on in business.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
I'm excited to wear my shirt.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Where is the merchandise discovered? Scammers?
Speaker 4 (03:25):
It says Friday was coming. I'll give you this, Kiki.
It's coming tonight. It's coming tonight. It's not Friday tonight.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
I'm amazing how fast this stuff did come. Yes, yes,
thank you, thank you. I work very hard. I mean
lex and I.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Because you had me convinced this morning that you were
actually mailing them yourself. And then I was like, well
then why didn't you just bring it to me? And
I would have just given you money, you know, And
then you're like, no, it's fulfilled somewhere.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Yeah, I have a I have a factory that I run.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yes, I am yes, yes, I don't ire Paulina. Is
she a liar?
Speaker 1 (03:58):
No? It was very funny to it.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
I don't grow your business so quick like you can
help you.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Okay, first step, get in business and I will help
you to grow the business.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
We gotta make moneys for kikiS t's for Kiki's angels.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
We go, we gotta make money. We're going to be
sending bags, okay to kids. Well one way. I hope
there aren't as many customers as you who.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Complained, it's been weeks and weeks and my product hasn't arrived.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
That's exactly what she did for it.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
It's been weeks that I haven't got my shirt, weeks
and we haven't even been open for weeks, exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Angels Man, Yeah, another one.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
You start to sound like my mom. You know, it's
just like I didn't get that. I didn't receive that.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
That never is It's just ridiculous. And then it turns
out like you.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Didn't even I love you, mom, but like you know,
you didn't even do it right, like you didn't hit send.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
You know.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
It's like the one that's really getting me these days,
off topic is the I didn't get that. It's like,
you know, or it'll be like I'll send her a
text and then it's like, oh, I didn't receive that,
but but you did because it says delivered and you
have your read receipts on that, so lady, you did.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
You did.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
So either I'm worried about your you know, mental acuity,
or or you just want me to do it again
because you you don't want to have to go look
for it. But that's the one is oh I didn't
get that. It's twenty twenty five. You got it, okay. Now,
whether you deleted it or skipped over it or thought
it was spam or I don't know what you did
(05:37):
with it, but like you got it okay, cause because
it doesn't matter where in the world. Almost everywhere you
can get the text I sent that'ts.
Speaker 6 (05:46):
Don't matter with parents, No, they do not know it
does it's whatever they say.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
And I just gave up.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
I'm sorry, I I didn't get it.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, okay, But now what I do is I send
a screenshot of the original message. That's right, well know,
cause it's like know you did, you did, But anyway,
it's okay. I mean, she doesn't have a jitterbug like
she's got a real phone, the same one I have,
so you know whatever. Yeah, I think you should stop
complaining about your business.
Speaker 6 (06:13):
I want to.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I can't believe the business the customer service has been.
I don't know that I've ever seen turnaround like that. Like, honestly,
I ordered the ship I had like three days later.
I'm like, what, how I did not even existed when
you ordered it.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
I was so upset. I would have ordered that day too.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
You know, maybe it would have been nice if you had,
then you could have worn the save that cat shirt
on national television as well.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
You didn't match you and not.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
I just got asked to do another thing for TV,
but luckily they asked me ahead of time, so I
can remember not to wear my save that cat shirt
for the whatever it is you can.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Yes, I might wear that one. That's better than save
that cat.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
You need.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
That's a great message to put on tving. Okay, you
are inspiring.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
People promote that message, so don't. I don't know that
you should save the cat.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I feel like people should pet the cat before they
buy it, you know. I feel like you know, and
you should pet the dog too before you buy it.
I mean, this isn't a one way deal.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
I don't know. I feel like you need to sample
the goods.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
You need to test drive the car, like you know,
unless you're not going to have sex with anybody ever
before then I think you need to test herd. If
you had sex with anyone, then I do not think
that you should say, you know what, willy nilly, we're
just not going to do it before we get married,
because you have some expectation of what it could be,
especially if it was ever good Now, if you're like Bella,
(07:38):
our intern, you know who who was very vocal about this.
She shared this. I'm not outing her, but you know
she was a virgin when she got married and he
was too.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Wasn't he the Hebrew Hammer?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I think, yeah, the Hebrew Hammer was so like, Okay,
I guess if you're going to do that, because you
got nothing to compare it to really, so it's not
like you just committed to a whole life of average
if you're able to discern what average is.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
But I'm telling you you do not need to sit.
You should not.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I'm not saying you should let everybody pet the cat,
but I do think if you're getting serious with someone,
you should the pat the there should be petting of
the cat.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Now, how much importance do you think we should be
placing on that?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I don't know that's a good question. Maybe, I mean
there has to be I think you got to gauge,
like what we're working with now and where we can go. Okay,
you know, I think you got to be like, Okay,
there's there's at least there's chemistry, Like we got to
work on the technique, but like we're into it, like
we're vibing like yeah, sure, yeah, you just got to gauge,
(08:39):
like we got something we can work with here, you know,
because we've all probably had partners, you know, who were
more successful in the partnership than others, And I'm sure
they would say the same about us, because you know,
I don't think everyone's meant to do everything with everybody.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
That's deep.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, I'm sit think about that one for a minute,
but like I don't know, Like I think that there
are people, you know, you could line up, you could
have two or three different partners, and then you could
do something to someone and that it could be very effective,
and then the next person's like, I don't want that
at all. So I think you got to kind of
figure out, like where can we go here, Especially if
you have context and I'm not saying like you have
(09:15):
a moral stance or whatever, then that's fine. Then I
think in that case, you're saying that the moral aspect
of it might be more important.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
To you, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Like, I think it's a big risk to take to
partner with someone for life one and two to do
it in a pure way where you don't have any comparison.
But I think in that case, aren't you saying that
my commitment to my morality or my commitment to faith
or whatever it is comes before my need for immediate
satisfaction in this regard, right Isn't that kind of the point?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (09:47):
Yeah, I don't know. I just think like I would
be scared, Like if the chemistry isn't good or doesn't
stay good, then people will start to stray or look elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
But I think most of the people who are doing
this are are in theory, not the kind of people
who are going to run and get a divorce, because
like if you're if you're maintaining celibacy or something or
or purity because of your religion, that I would like
to believe that you're you know that, that you would
then prioritize other aspects of the marriage and and like
(10:16):
working at it in something like you know what I mean.
I guess it would be weird in my opinion, You're
not weird, but it would be sort of counterproductive to
say I'm going to remain pure for for faith and
then the moment that you have bad sex, divorce the
guy or girl.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
It's a long life though, to think that, like you,
it's a lot of dedication to keep that sort of
thinking up for the rest of your life.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
But if you had nothing to compare it to, then
I guess you wouldn't know necessarily if it were like
exceptional or really really bad or just average. But how
many people, how many people really do that?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
You know?
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Like like if you if you've been with a couple
of people and then you decide with my husband here like.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
We're gonna we're going to abstain.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I think that you might be asked for it, Like
I think, and I'm not saying that you don't marry
the person if the chemistry's not there, but like I
think you really got a question is this is is
can we do something here that's going to sustain me
for you know, the rest of my life. I think
it's a fair question.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
For sure.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
I do think that even though you may not have
anything else to compare it to, I do think even
a virgin would be able to tell if there's not
chemistry in a situation, you know what I mean, Like
before I was doing it all the way, like I
could still tell if I had chemistry with someone, you know,
So I think you could get into that position and
be like, oh.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
We're not compatible in the bedroom at all, you know.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
Yeah, I mean you could learn technique, but I think
chemistry is something that you can't learn.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
But haven't you ever had chemistry with someone and then
it was flat or it didn't Like, I don't know
that just because you have chemistry that gets you in
bed with someone means that you're congruent because you can
have chemistry, but then people can have other sorts of
needs or preferences that you may not want to meet.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
Yeah, technique is like a different thing, but I think
chemistry translates through throughout all parts of like a hookup
or a kiss or But.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I guess it's the technique part that I mean, yes,
the chemistry is mandatory, but like the technique, I don't know,
you got to figure out like this person, is this
person coachable?
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Like can I get him there? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Or do I want to get him there? Like do
I even want to have to do that? Do I
want to be to one? There are people out there
who are like, oh no, I want to teach him.
I want to teach him to do it my way.
And then there are people like I don't want to
have to teach you anything. I just want you to
get it done.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I think you always have to teach someone to some degree.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
I think there's some level of like, but I think
chemistry is like a whole separate thing in my just
in my opinion, like based on what I felt.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
And didn't agree with that.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
But yeah, I definitely think everyone's like, hey, you know,
I like this, or let's try that, or a little
to the left.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah, always to the left, almost never to the right.
But I also think, and I don't put this on
men or women, but I do think like, if you're
someone who doesn't have a firm understanding, whether it's like
self exploration or like, if you don't know what works
on you, I think it's unfair to expect someone else
to be able to figure that out. So I'm again
(13:06):
that's not me saying that if you're, for example, I
think women, you know, typically it can be more complicated
than men to reach that point. And I'm not saying
it's your fault at all, but it's certainly helpful if
you know what you like and can sort of identify. Now,
if the guy doesn't give a shit, or he's not capable,
or is not patient, or he's not trying, or he's
not listening or receptive, well then fuck him. But like,
(13:28):
if you don't know, then I think it's hard to
get frustrated with someone else for not being able to
figure it out, because like we're not mind readers.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
We don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
And the same would go for a dude, Like, if
you know what you like, then I think you should
to Camelin's point, I think you should communicate that because again,
there's a whole bag of tricks and I don't know
which way.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
You know, where are we going?
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Right?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
You know which one works best on you?
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Exactly?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
I got we got to figure that out, right, Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah, I think everyone should expect me do both?
Speaker 3 (14:00):
What like know you're what you like? Want? What's both? Though?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Like both?
Speaker 3 (14:05):
You weren't paying attention. Sorry, that was asking me about
we'll talk. You got to do both. I'm like, no,
it's one or the other. It's a great point, friend,
And I really wanted.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
To hear where she was going with this. Don't tell
me more, tell me more about both, because.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
It was it was it was both men and women both.
You know what.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Let me tell you that you gotta be you got
to be knowledgeable and clueless all at the same time.
You know, you gotta be both. You gotta be you
gotta be eligible. You got to be clueless too. I mean,
that's that's what it is.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
That's what it is. That's it and shop at kiss
dot com. Hello, period, I was with you, and the
more the story, like you.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Have to want to like be able to learn and
take in the information list.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
But you're a very good friend. I love that about That's.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
She has no idea what I said, And I can
tell me. I can tell when when I'm talking to you,
guys are losing. I can tell right away. I can
see you in your eyes. So the difference is the
difference is most of you don't don't feel the need
to then say something if you don't know what I
just said. Because what you missed, Pauline is I just
went on this whole thing about.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Married one we needed you would have been very helpful.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
But guys, I mean before I was married, yes, like
I we had the sex.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I didn't go into this a virgin, really, I.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Mean you were pregnant at your wedding. That is not
surprising information, Tramp. I can't believe I supported that wedding, Tramp.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Unbelievable, ilievable, you had sex before your life.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
I hate to be the one to telling you. I
thought that was somebody else's kids. Crazy. They're telling me
how you're telling me it's his time.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
On the show, you break it on the podcast.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
If you have a kid? What guys, the more you
know you had before marriage? Both wow? Both?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Was it more chemistry or was it more willingness to learn?
Do you feel like chemistry?
Speaker 4 (16:15):
For sure? I lead with chemistry like there is no
we're gonna like, yes, we'll learn, but like learning to
me is more not even just like oh like teaching someone,
because you should never teach a grown ass man. I'm sorry,
it's my hot tache. Like, but I can talk or
tell them like things that I would want do that
makes sense, or like hey, I'm more into this than this.
That's different.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
That's what I think.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
It's helpful if you can tell me like where on
the menu you know you like to eat, you like
me to eat, or you know something period, Yeah, that
that kind of thing, you know.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Yeah, But I'm not teaching a grown man. Absolute, I'm
not teaching like how to funk. Like that's.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Like I understand that.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I guess that's what I mean, though, it's like if
you're both virgins, we don't mean, I guess you know
if it's really good, but you're not gonna know if
it's like the worst, because you don't really know what
to compare it to, or you just expect that it's
not going to be that good because you know one
of you know what you're doing. But if you have
a little experience and then you're like, no, we're gonna
wait thicker than a snicker period, they can. I just
(17:18):
I think you're asking for it. I think you're asking
for it. Yeah, so all right, well there you go.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Both. I think both, Well which one is it?
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Said?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
I think you should wait, and I think you should find.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
That you made during I think you should both.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I think you should remain celibate, but also be a
total horror is what you should do.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
I think both. I think you should be a celibate
horror both. Yeah. Yeah, me to me, I can't believe
you had sex before your marriage. Unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
I don't look at me different.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah, it's gonna take me a few days to get
over it, about as long as will take me to
get my kiki se. When it arrives, everything will be fine.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
In the world. All right, it's the Tangent. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
A bunch of episodes on the iHeart app and wherever
you listen to podcasts, and the regular show, The Fred
Show on demand. That's also up there, YouTube and all
the other places too. You can find a search for
The Fred Show.
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