Male Birth Control

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, so what do you say? Let's do attend

(00:03):
at ten shine. Everyone hit the intro Bellahamine or Paulina.
Whoever hits a hit it. H's the tangent giving you
all this shit we couldn't talk about on the air.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
I'm hitting it, hit it, I stay hitting.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Are you hitting it? I'm hitting it well, I can't
feel it if you hit it first.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Guys, there is the I guess we're very close the
potential for a hormone free male birth control pill. This
time that has passed a safety trial. There might be
the option for men to take birth control methods into
our own hands. Currently there are only two birth control
methods for men, condoms and vasectomies. That's really it. Women,

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of course, see all different kinds, all hormones, IUDs, blah
blah blah.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
All kinds of stuff.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
So according to the University of Minnesota, the new drug
called YCT five nine right exactly, is a first in
class hormone free and orally administered male contraceptive developed in
collaboration with Columbia University and some other company. It works
as a contraceptive by stopping the production of sperm, and

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there are no detected side effects, not to mention the
results are overwhelmingly positive across the board. Researchers found that
the drug caused infertility in male mice, being ninety nine
percent effective in preventing pregnancies within four weeks of use.
It also lowered sperm counts within two weeks in non
human male primates. Of course, these effects were temporary. I
mean that both groups regained fertility after stopping the drug.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
So I guess you would take.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
It, and then if you wanted the effects to stop,
then you would stop taking it. A safe and effective
mail pill will provide more options to couples for birth control,
said the corresponding author of the study and a professor
of pharmacy at the University of Minnesota. It will also
I'm always stuttering today. I think I'm tired. I shouldn't
be as tired of Jason Brown. You're not stuttering.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Oh no.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
It will allow more equitable sharing of responsibility for family
planning and provide reproductive autonomy for men. So they've completed
a phase one clinical trial. It's being tested in a
second clinical trial. Would we trust men or men in
our lives to take the pit You wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Just in general, no, I know, I was just kidding.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
I think if anyone wants to not be pregnant, they
themselves have to also take the proper precautions. I don't
think I would now. I'll tell you I've recently gotten
off birth control. Everybody's scared to get on it. No
one told me getting off it was going to be
a bit emotionally crying all the time. Yeah, and I

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talked about it on our podcast and people were dming
me like all these crazy things getting off of it.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
So that's what everyone should be scared of.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Really, Yeah, it's time.

Speaker 5 (02:55):
It's time for men to take birth control so that
y'all hormones can be all over the play share here
and fall out, you can get fat. All the side
effects that come on birth patrol is time for you.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
A guess what, None of them? None of them.

Speaker 6 (03:05):
That's what they told us too, and when they signed
us up.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
I've always heard there were side effects.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
I've never heard of a female birth control pill that
was just free of anything.

Speaker 5 (03:16):
Okay, well, look, I want you guys to take this
one and let me know how it works out for you.

Speaker 6 (03:20):
It's time to put the responsibility on the man.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
But here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
I think the person who's going to find out how
it works for them is you. You, because nothing happens
to me. If it doesn't work, you're the one that
gets pregnant.

Speaker 6 (03:31):
Well that's true, so then you but eighteen years.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
So we're gonna fire. We're gonna find out, but we're
gonna find out together. You over here going, well, you
take it. You see what happens. You know, we're going
to find out together what happens apparently if it doesn't work.

Speaker 6 (03:45):
Yeah, but see I'm not taking it.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
I understand what you're saying that like that we should
both take precautions. And then I would say, statistically it
would be very very very difficult improbable that that you
would get pregnant, but that would defeat the purpose and
so ways, because the problem that women have with the
pill is that all these side effects and all the
emotional side effects and everything else. So then if you
still have to do that, then then I guess it

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doesn't really benefit you much for me to take it.
It's one more layer. But I mean, I guess the
point of this would be if I can take something
and do something easy and you don't have to, well,
then that's that would be the true benefit.

Speaker 6 (04:20):
That's what you should do.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
I just don't like when like if a girl gets
pregnant and a guy's like you sue your own birth control.
It's like the only way to not have a baby
is if you're you make one hundred percent damn sure
on your end as well, that was where I was
coming from of like, oh, you're not taking your put
like whatever, Like okay, then don't hit it raw like
with someone you just fucking met.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
I do, Well, that's true. I do agree with you.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
But like if I'm in a relationship, right and we
have it and we have an adult conversation and we say, like,
what what method are we using here? And we decide
because for me, it's either gonna be a GONDI a sectomy,
or we use a condom, that's gonna be that. That
would be what I can contribute to this. So if
you were to say, well, I have an IUD or
I'm going to take the pill, like I've been in
I have been in a relationship more than once. Really,

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one time was enunciated to me where it was I'm
on the pill. Here are the rules. I'm comfortable with this,
I'm comfortable with that, and we had that conversation. It
was established, only for me to find out that she
doesn't really regularly take it, she's not consistent with it. Yeah,
that's not great, right, And so then I'm not gonna
say I got pissed because I understand your argument that, yeah, well,

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but you're you know, if you're going to blow somebody up,
then you've got to be prepared for the outcome. I
agree with you, except for the fact that we decided,
we decide, and we did decide. It wasn't just hey,
you're taking the pill.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
She was on it. I'm good, We're fine. Here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Yeah, so that I do that, I am relying on
you to count I am counting on you to take
it every day, and for some reason you don't. Then
I think it's just fair that you would say like, oh,
I've missed a few days, or I'm really bad at
this or whatever, because again, that's not me putting the
onus on you. It'd be one thing is if as
a man, I'm like, hey, this is what you're doing
so that I don't wind up with a kid. But

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if we decide, and the same would be true for
me if there were a male birth control pill and
you were like, Hey, this is what we're doing. You're
taking it every day and then I fuck it up
and don't take it. I think you have a right
to be mad at me, because yes, yeah, because I
now have a responsibility to do it. Yeah, And if
I don't do it and I don't tell you and
I'm still out here like I did, well, then I think, honestly,

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I think you have a right to be pissed off.
And again, if you're taking it every day and then
something happens, or you take it and then you take
an antibiotic, and I know there's a lot of like parameters, yeah,
and they're not necessarily in your control, and that things
can happen that you didn't intend to and you were
still being responsible. That's one thing. But like again, if

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it's oh I missed four or five days, sorry about that?

Speaker 3 (06:47):
What do you mean? Sorry about that? Sorry about that?

Speaker 4 (06:51):
Also, let's just enunciate what you just said. Yes, antibiotics
can make your birth control not work. I know many instances. Yeah, exactly,
So just beware.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
I just think we got to communicate that stuff though,
Like I think it's kind of hey now, maybe not
now kind of thing, you know whatever. And again I'm
not putting blame on anyone. I'm just saying if we
agree to something, then that's what we got to do,
and if we're not going to do it, then we
at least have to say we're not doing it.

Speaker 6 (07:16):
Yes, right, I hear you.

Speaker 5 (07:17):
But I feel like for years and years men have like,
you know, I didn't want this baby. Man, she put
this baby on me. Man, Now you have an option
to take birth control and protect yourself.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
Yeah. I mean, I think it all comes down to trust.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Because what I mean, would I okay, let me ask
you this, would I have Would you support me in
being angry if my if I had a girlfriend or
wife said I'm on birth control, only for me to
find out that they weren't.

Speaker 6 (07:44):
Oh yes, I think that's very deceptive.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Because again, you could make the argument, well, hey, you're
you're doing what you're doing. But again, if you if
you're saying to me we're good and we're in fact
not good, that's a lie. And again, am I like
not responsible? No, I'm still responsible, But I think I
have a right to be pissed off, which is why
if this is the case with men and this pill

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is a real thing. Well, then now I can take you. Know,
you can do you, I can do me. To Kaitlin's point,
and we are all good. Yeah, And I have a
little bit more control over what's going on, and I
can be responsible for it, whether I take it or not.
And if I'm the one who chooses not to take
this thing, then so be it.

Speaker 6 (08:23):
But a little nervous for the population.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Why could you think guys will suck it up?

Speaker 5 (08:27):
No, I think like you guys would take it a
little too far, like you're never gonna have a baby,
like you're just gonna be screwing and nobody. You know
what I'm saying, We kind of need some slip ups
to keep this world. You know, all of us were
not planned. I know I was planned.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
There's a wider political argument about that. I mean, Republicans
if you like the JD. Vans of the world. And
I'm not saying I believe in this, I actually don't.
But you know he's out here saying guys like me
are selfish focks that are are not. You know that
it's my obligation to get married and have kids to
populate the world. You know that I'm a diket for
not you know that I'm selfish for not doing it.
I would argue there are people out there with kids
who are selfish as fuck who shouldn't have their probably

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shouldn't have had kids in that dynamic anyway, And how
is that affecting the kids' lives?

Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yeah, and that kind of thing. So I think you
could argue both sides of that.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
I guess I thought you were supposed to fall in
love with someone and then the child was supposed to
be a result of a big, happy fan you know,
a happy dynamic and whatever else. I didn't realize I
was supposed to get married and have a kid because
that was my job. Yeah, that's kind of not how
I guess I view having a kid.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
Some people do.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Some people put the kid before the relationship. They want
the family, they want the kids. So the guy, whoever
the guy is, I guess he'll do.

Speaker 6 (09:34):
Some people the girl is he and don't want the person.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Which is also fine, which is also fine. But we've
had this conversation before. But as a single dude in
my you know, mid forties at this point, I mean
I've considered a a sectomy because I really don't think
it's going to happen, and if I were that compelled,
I could go back and get it reversed. But I
and maybe now people wouldn't think it was weird. But
as a childless, single guy, if you're in your thirties

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and maybe you're on the fence, if I tell you
that I can't do it, I think that would not
only kind of say something about what I might be
out here doing, but I think it also I think
it limits me. Like I think the fact that there
wouldn't be a choice might deter women from going out
with me or continuing to go out with me, Because
even people who aren't sure, wouldn't they still want the option.

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Like if you met a guy and you were like,
I like this guy, I'm going to date him, and
you're still able to have children, and it still would
make sense maybe, but you're not decided, and I'm like, well,
I've already shut that down. What are your initial thoughts
about that? As women, what would you initially think?

Speaker 5 (10:36):
It depends on how much I like you. I mean,
there's other options we can adopt, we can do other things.
You can have it reverse, so it would be a conversation.
But yeah, ultimately it's up to you. And if you
really don't want kids, I don't want to change your mind.
I don't want to be the person to try to
convince you to have a kid, because then you'll resent
me when the kid is crying in the middle of
the night, like you know, resent you yes, because you're like, kad, damn,

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I didn't want this kid.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
You want it.

Speaker 6 (11:04):
You're not the crying.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
But would it would I say something about me or
does it say something about a man if if a childless,
never married man has a I understand men who have
already had kids and maybe they got divorced. Maybe they
had kids they didn't know they were going to get
divorced and they were like, no more kids, and they
got to a sect me they get divorced. Now they're
out here dating and it's like I hear about this.
It's like, well, I mean I can't have kids. I've

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already done it, and maybe you haven't. So maybe that
person's like, why I'm not going to date you because
I want to have a kid and you can't do it,
so whatever. But I mean, a single guy with no kids,
never married, with a vasectomy, like I know, a dude
in his late twenties, who has he got a aseectomy?
Like he just decided, I don't. I never want to procreate,
like for various reasons. I never my DNA didn't need

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to be replicated, like he just said, forget about it.
But he said his late twenties got a viseect to me,
now what I mean do you think that that? Does
that say something about that person, fairly or unfairly.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
That's like you literally went to get a procedure instead
of wearing a condom.

Speaker 6 (12:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
That's like tough for me.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Yeah, you said no, like like you're like, we're.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
Not, like you want to get your cohones, like literally
surgery on your cohones.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
And I know how you guys feel about your cohones, but.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
I will say this, Yeah, well, if it comes down
to me getting that or you having a hysterectomy that
has nothing to do with the C section, then then
fuck you. If you're a dude who's not willing to
go in there and get snipped, because there is no
way that I can now if you, let's say that
you have to have a female procedure in there in
there and that's part of it or something Okay, that

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has nothing to do with that. Or you have a
c section and it's like, hey, you want me to
sniff this while I'm here. My understanding is it's that
simple if you're already doing that, if we're already in there,
But for me to be like, no, go have invasive
abdominal surgery because I won't let you make a half

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inch incision and in my in, my in, my fucking
taint to get snipped like it's apparently it's not great,
but it's not great for a couple of days and
we're back in business like versus you having to have
abdominal surgery because I was too much of a dick
to go do it. No, guys, step up, thank you,

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because you can do all that while I'm away. They
gotta put you under. In some cases, they're in there
digging around. That's not good. There's risk there. There's a
whole lot more risk in that, it is my understanding.
Then there would be for me to go have a
little something, little something done. Breach I did, I said it.

Speaker 6 (13:36):
You stand up, get your balls clip man.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah, get your balls clipped? And and uh, would you
trust having to take the pill?

Speaker 3 (13:43):
Actually?

Speaker 7 (13:44):
Yeah, I would because he would, like he's not a liar,
but he also is very responsible. I'd be worried about
me not taking the pill me too, you know what
I mean. Yeah, that's why I got the IU.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
D Io you got you and Io you.

Speaker 5 (13:57):
Yeah, I owe you.

Speaker 7 (13:58):
And I feel like it hasn't affected my body, I
mean for a year, but like I don't know, because
I have to birth control my whole life. Like that's
the biggest flex in life. I don't know if it's
a flex, but it's my flex.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
Did it hurt like shit? Toge? Haven't put in?

Speaker 1 (14:09):
No?

Speaker 7 (14:09):
And I only say that because I think I was
still like postpartum, like fresh. I was six weeks fresh,
and I feel like it just didn't really hurt. Everyone
said it was like the most painful thing.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
I've heard stories that it is fucking unbelievable, unbelievable.

Speaker 7 (14:21):
I was so scared, but no, doctor Mike was just
you know, yapping with me, asking about life, and you know,
I'm going back to work all these things and he's
just putting it in And I was like, that wasn't
that bad?

Speaker 3 (14:30):
No kidding.

Speaker 7 (14:31):
I wonder if it's because I was fresh off the
baby table, you know, like give him birth table.

Speaker 6 (14:35):
I really don't know.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
Maybe he's just that good or he's just that good.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
That's kind of weird that I've met the guy who's
like been inside of you many Oh, I've met several guys.
I mean, I right, well, that's what I mean, That's
what I mean.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
But but I don't know.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
It's a little different. Like when when doctor Mike came
out to our thing that we did, uh you know
that whatever, we call it, the Thank You thirteen tour,
and we're at the little diner and like and and
he's his office is there. So I'm like talking to
this guy and he's delivered your baby and he has
a lot of information on the brain, you know what
I mean. Like that's yeah, I don't know, Angel shout

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out to him. Okay, So it didn't hurt that bad, No,
but I wouldn't.

Speaker 7 (15:14):
Trust myself to take a pill. And I felt like
I didn't want to do the arm thing. I don't know,
like creep me out a little bit. People say they
could like see it if you move your arm a
certain way.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
Oh yeah, you can see him.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (15:23):
I was like, let's just do let's just do that.
But I honestly, I want to.

Speaker 7 (15:26):
I told Hobby I want to get off of it.
And it's for no reason, like nothing's happening. But I
I mean, I'm hormonal sometimes, but that's just me. But like,
I don't want to be on anything. I'd rather him
do that, but he's not sold yet on the idea.
I don't know why we're not having more kids. Well, well,
I'm not like he doesn't trust it. I don't think
he's just scared. I think most men are just they're scared.
I'd be scared too, if you're gonna stit my balls,

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you know, i'd be.

Speaker 6 (15:48):
A little besect to me.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
I think about the pill, I'm like.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
What is he scared? No?

Speaker 6 (15:51):
No, no, the vasectomy.

Speaker 7 (15:52):
I feel like he would do it, but he's hesitant,
but then he's leaning into it. He's very much like,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Okay, I think I'm a friend who won't do it
and they're done having kids, and he, honestly, like straight up,
straight face, is like, but what if I divorced? What
if we get divorced and then I marry someone younger?

Speaker 6 (16:08):
Oh good damn.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
Like that's just dead ass, straight faced answer.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
I will say I would think less differently about you
getting of a sectomy than your friend in his twenties,
because I just feel like that's so young, and you
change so much throughout your life that I think that
that would seem a little more drastic to me than
you getting one now, like you've felt the same for
so many years.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Well, and if I had, if I had gotten of
a sectomy at twenty five, I wouldn't my dick would
have fallen off by now, Yeah, Because the truth is,
I I think I was more concerned. I mean, I've
always been concerned about some sort of disease or infection
or something, and knock on would but I would say,

(16:49):
but before that, my concern was pregnancy. Like, yeah, first
and foremost in my brain was don't get pregnant or
don't get someone pregnant, and then second was don't get
a disease. It probably should have been the other way around. Yeah,
but I like when I put a condom on, it
was first and foremost, don't get someone pregnant, and then well,
this will be good because I probably won't get hurt pies.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
Yeah, I mean I will probably honest though, like men
don't show symptoms for HPV and I do think think
that's that's very dangerous because so many women get it
because a dude didn't know he had it, and you
there's no way for you to tell it either.

Speaker 6 (17:24):
I don't think for men, no, So.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
I think you know, the gard to silo vaccine and
stuff is good, but it can be very dangerous still
to fuck without a condom, you know, if you don't
know what's going on.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
I'm probably I don't pray on how much time anyway,
So what I mean, I've had my life's half over,
so Christopher, and that's if I'm lucky ninety that's I mean,
that's a long time.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
No, I'm good.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
I mean I probably got I probably got twenty twenty
five years stops.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
I would guess, yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
And I also still want you to be fucking like
I want that for almost.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
That's what I mean. Though.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
It's like, as long as i'm as long as I
don't know I got any kind of shit, and I don't,
and as long as I don't get anyone pregnant who
doesn't want to be pregnant or who I don't want
to get pregnant, well then I'm gonna be out here
fucking yeah. But uh, that's a different topic. I've slowed
way down. Oh my god, I basically retired.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
That's what I'm sad.

Speaker 6 (18:13):
You're on the streets.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
It's so hom just yeah, you know what, I've joined you.
I've joined you for different reasons. Poably.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
You know, the streets are calling, they're still calling, but
I'm not I'm not responding. I'm not answering the phone.
I'm not calling them back either.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
I just don't know you. Wow, It's not that I
don't I just don't really fucking care.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Okay, you know, if I met somebody that sounds like
a good idea, great, but it's not the driving force.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Like it's not like I gotta get late.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
And I think I used to be kind of like, fuck,
I gotta get this, you know, just out here getting
getting trying to get some and maybe if something comes
from it, great. Now I think I'm more like, maybe
something should come from something, and then then I'll start fucking.
I don't know what happened. And it's not low tea
because it's I mean, I'm sure I'm sure that it
has something to do with it. Like I'm sure it's

(19:06):
lower than it was when I was twenty that's just natural.
But like everything be rocket, you know, like I don't
need blue chew yet or viagua as not yet.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
I heard these men taking testosterone want to fuck all
the time, Like I would be kind of annoyed.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah, maybe I maybe I should go. Maybe I should
go get jacked up a little bit. See what happens then.
But it's not a bad thing.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah, your tea is fine, just leave it.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
But it's not a bad thing.

Speaker 6 (19:29):
Yeah, what are you doing with all the extra time?

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Well, I tell you, like hobbies. You know, I've got hobbies.
I've Wow, I have another job. You go to Canada, UT,
I go to Canada.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
I like Canada. I like Canada.

Speaker 6 (19:43):
You guys, Canada Canada there. I don't believe, like I
need to know what you're doing.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
I love Canada. Okay, let's just let's just put that out.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
I've been to Toronto. There's no reason to go that
many times.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
We wait, manut.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
I went once for work with Kiki, okay. I went
back with my neighbors another time right to swing. Yeah,
and then I can't. I went back this weekend because
I have a friend there who I didn't see the
last time. And then I like the airport and it's
a quick flight and it kind of feels a little
it feels a little festive, you know, it feels a
little international, but like it yet to set that far away.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
So it's great.

Speaker 6 (20:18):
Didn't got a lady like it.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
That much there.

Speaker 5 (20:19):
I love Toronto, love it. She was there there, I
would live there, but I it was it's some fucking
going on with you.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
There wasn't no fucking going on this weekend.

Speaker 6 (20:31):
One who fucking would say, I'm not really fucking anymore.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
Yeah, well that's what someone was. I wasn't.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
But I wasn't fucking. I can tell you right, I
can look you all in the eye. I wasn't fucking
this weekend.

Speaker 6 (20:41):
It's just like the couch. Oh yeah, we never saw
his couch either, too.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Well, the couch is in't in Torontos. I wasn't fucking
on it this weekend. I guess couch. No. Next is Montreal.
I'm going Montreal next. I really do want Montreal. Nope,
now I'm going there. I don't. I don't know why not?
Why not? Where was that? I don't want to go
to New York. I don't like that. I don't New York's.

Speaker 6 (21:02):
Fine an endorsement.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
Race.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
I you know what, I probably would live in Toronto
and Chicago give extremely similar vibes.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Extreme.

Speaker 6 (21:13):
I hated it just cleaning Toronto.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yes, I did not like it. I didn't understand the hype.
I like, I think Chicago is a million times better.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
It's very I didn't say Chicago wasn't better. It's very similar,
but it's more international in Toronto, which I like. I
do like that, and I'm not paying the tax there though.
Fuck that no absurd. It's if you thought it was
bad here, it's way worse there. Vancouver is beautiful. I
can't afford to live there. I mean, I was shopping
for condos in Vancouver. I was like, this is amazing.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
No.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
I sat there and I was like, dude, how much
are these ones that look over the water and all
this stuff? I'd like millions and millions of dollars for
the same thing that I already have. Yeah, millions and
millions and millions for in America. Well, I'm planning on it.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
I want to go to vanf vanf bam, bam.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
My price say, Vans is my understanding is it's that picture? Like, oh,
that's it. If you're from BAMF you know or whatever.
I don't mean to offend you, but and I'm sure
there's more around there. But like I know people who
went and they were like, oh, I saw that picture.
I wanted that picture. I wanted to you know, the
unbelievable background. Yeah, it's just gorgeous. But my understanding is like,

(22:17):
that's that's what's going on in Bama.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
That's in Canada.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah, so yeah, it's cool and like you could look
at that, but it's kind of like the Grand Canyon
for me, Like the Grand Canyon's fine, like, but you
I don't need to see eight different viewpoints of.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
The Grand I felt the same.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
By the way, I'm from there, right, like the Grand
Canyon State. That's where I grew up. I'm very proud
to be from Arizona.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
I said, all right, I got it, and I walked away.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
We went to two, and I was young. We went
to like two or three different vantage points. I'm like, Okay,
it's the same view Okay, like maybe if you're gonna
hike it, I guess, but even I guess hiking it's
kind of it's not an easy hike.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
It is grand and it is a canyon.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
You get a bottom and you get to like.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
If I can sleeping bag and ship like I'm good,
Like I'm fine, but no, it's it's beautiful. But I mean, okay, one, okay,
that's cool, then maybe another okay.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
Right, dumb people taking selfies off the edge get make
me so nervous kind of the barriers.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
But we don't need to see, you know, fourteen different
views of the same hole in the ground in my opinion. Yeah,
so I'm trying to think of I have ever been
anywhere that was like that, where it was like, okay, wow,
I came all this way and this is what we did.
Huh No, because I don't. I don't really, I'm not
like a like a hype beast guy, like I don't.
I'm not going to go somewhere because everybody else is going.

(23:29):
And you know what I mean, I will say when
I go someplace I haven't been before, I do go
to Instagram and see where people are taking the most pictures,
because every now and again you'll find sometimes you'll find
stuff that like you didn't, I didn't know it. And
I don't mean like you know, if you go to
I don't know Paris, everyone in front of the Eifel Tower.
Everyone in front of the loop. Everyone want that stupid
fucking picture with their finger at the top of the

(23:51):
doing that now everybody. There's everybody that you know, there's
a few places in Tokyo. When I was there, everybody
takes a picture and say, okay, got it. But then
there were a couple other places. I was like, where's that.
That's cool, and they're not that many pictures of it,
and so I you know, I went there, and then
sometimes you show up and you're like, oh, this was
a picture only. But then I don't know. Sometimes I'm like, oh,

(24:11):
this is kind of hidden, this is kind of cool.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
TikTok is great for that. Yeah, clean trips, I will say,
But my mom, he'll never forget. Took me to a
geyser Old Faithful in Yellowstone and she was.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
All excited nature and we watched it and I'm she
was like, you were like, really, you dragged me here, lady.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
That might be a good example. Same thing.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
It's like okay, oh wow, look, and then once it
goes off, you're like okay.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Okay, Like I don't know, I'm not changed for having
seen that.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
I felt that way about a few hot springs in
my life, Like I went to one in Iceland where
I was.

Speaker 6 (24:40):
Like, Okay, did you go to the Blue Lagoon?

Speaker 1 (24:44):
I did not, and that I didn't. That to me
sounded like a tourist trap. And I've heard different takes
on that. I've heard go and I've heard don't go.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
But I did not go.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
That to me looked like a hole in the ground
with a Disneyland built around it. And that was not
my scene.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah, I wanted that photo of you in there.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
I went to a different hot spring that fewer people
went to, but no, I did not go to the
Blue Lagoon.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
And maybe I missed out. Maybe I missed out.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
But it's everybody arrives in Iceland at like six to
seven in the morning and goes right from the airport
in a fucking bus to this blue lagoon thing, and
I'm like, great, so everyone's pissing in the blue lagoon.
You hate every fucking nasty person I was on the
plane with is now the same body of water with me.
You all been rolling around in fucking germs for the
last it's eight hours, and now we're all in the

(25:29):
same body of water.

Speaker 6 (25:30):
I just tried.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
I just tried to get rid of all of you,
like I escaped the plane, like now I don't have
to do this anymore.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
And then it's like, wait a minute, I know you.
You were in seventeen B.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
So no, I didn't go there to the Blue Lagoon,
but maybe maybe I don't want to missed out. All right,
well I guess well, let's take a trip. Let's take
a class trip to Montreal. I love that very French there.
I think they speak French more than they speak English.
We wee ooh yeah, so you ever get on you
dua lipa and figure that one out for our class trip.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
All right, there you go.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
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Speaker 3 (26:22):
Thank you,