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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, guys, let's do a tangent. I'm feeling inspired
and motivated by a job posting that I saw, so
I hit the thing. Go ahead, it's the tangent giving
you all this shit we couldn't talk about on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
As you know, I've been doing this for a long time,
this radio thing. I've been in Chicago almost fifteen years.
I've been doing morning radio almost twenty and in radio,
I think I've been getting paid for radio for since
I was well, since I was twenty, but then I
was not paid when I was listened thirty years, almost
sixteen years old, when I was thirty years So I
(00:33):
think I might I might hang it up because I
saw a job posting. I saw a need. There's a
need out there. And the headline here is there's a
shortage of male porn stars. Oh there's a shortage. There
was a pilot shortage. I missed that, and I'm just
I'm done missing my calling. I really am, right. No,
(00:54):
it's like, look, I love this job and I'm very grateful,
but I missed a pilot shortage calling that it was
it was called my name, you know, it was dude.
You know, come on, man, like put on a uniform
and little stripes on your shoulder and like let's fly
to Omaha, Like let's do it, man. But I was man, No,
that's what That's what the universe was telling me. But no,
I stood that I stayed right here. I stayed right here,
(01:17):
that I did idea. But not this time, though, guys,
not this time.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
God, I'm not. I'm not going to do it.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
So apparently there is a lack How can this be though, Like,
that's my question, how how can that be possible? I
would think, if anything, there would be a lack of
female adult film stars. But I will say this man
of the consumer, right, So like and and and men
(01:44):
are into that sort of content. I mean, not that
women aren't, but like, would you say, is it fair
to say that a a man is more likely to
pay to look at a naked woman than a woman
is to look at a naked man just because of
how the game works in the straight world? Is that
a fair stay? Because I feel like women kind of
control the sex game, like men typically are chasing women,
(02:06):
women are typically gatekeeping. You're action, yes, well whatever, if
it's an aator, what societal or whatever it is? So
my guess would be that, you know, there would be
more women out there taking a clothes off for money
because there's a lot of male consumers who would buy
this kind of stuff. And that's not to say that
women don't like porn, but my guess would be there's
a much higher ratio of men paying for this than women.
(02:27):
Thus there would be more females than men making content
like this, right. But I would think that if there
were a job posting on indeed or something for porn star,
I would think that a lot of guys would would
sign up for that, whether they have the proper qualifications
or not. Calon, what are you looking for in a
good porn star? A good male porn star?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Okay, so that's.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Where you lose me because I don't love a male
porn star. It's very hard to find a dude that
I find hot in porn. They're usually a little cringe.
So honestly, I prefer to watch women. So I might
not be the demo. Yeah, I mean I want you
to not if I had to, like if I if
I am thinking of what I won't turn off if
(03:07):
I go and there's a man, don't be like overly
like you don't look like you go to the gym
five times a day, Like I don't want your your
your veins bulging out, like that's a little scary, you know,
and look like a like a normal dude might look.
You know, because I like to put myself in the scenario.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, because you guys, you guys watch the plot. Yeah,
and I don't. Do you watch the plot? Kiky?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Are you a plot person? Do you need to know
why why in fact the plumber's there?
Speaker 4 (03:37):
No, it just needs to look real, homemade.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
She likes mad.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Do you want to know how she got stuck in
the dishwasher? Like, I know it's not concerning to me.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
No, no, No, I don't need to know how. I
just need to know this, Like it needs to look believable.
I hate a fake moan and all that.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
I don't need it.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Well, I think a lot of it's fake, honestly, because
I've watched a lot of I've listened to podcasts, I've
watched TikTok videos about Like, it's not that it's not enjoyable,
But I think the one I said of the day
described it best.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
It's work.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
It's a job, so it's not it's not that they
don't like it a lot of times, but like it's
what they're it's I don't know, the mindset is not
this is for pleasure.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
The mindset is this is a performance.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
And that's like I feel like I can tell when
girls are actually having fun and when they're not, like
and so I'm like, that's why I'm like, I don't.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Think, well, this one guy. This is according to Metro
dot this is metro dot co dot UK. It's a
metro that's a British publication. According to them. A Japanese
porn actor claimed recently they're around seventy men to every
ten thousand women in the industry, which I guess that
would that would include like OnlyFans and stuff, because you know,
anybody can sell this stuff online, so I would it
(04:39):
doesn't surprise me that there's a lot of a lot
of people doing it. I guess that was the point
I was making before. But I'm trying to figure out,
you know, like what what the qualifications are, you know,
like what what would what would they be looking for
when casting? I mean, I assume size, I assume you know,
male size and fitness, but not all the guys are fit.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Yeah, no, I need you to look more realistic, Like
I don't want it to look like your arm's hurt
because you're gonna bulge out of them, like you know
sponge You don't watch SpongeBob, but when he pumped.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
His arms up, like that's what they look like.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Like I also feel like the ugly guys in porn
are due to like cast themselves, Like if you're if
you're an ugly fat guy in a porn, I feel
like you were the producer, like you.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Would like some people want what's ugly to one woman.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Maybe you know a treasure to someone else, one man's trash.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I guess. I mean you have to have talent, right.
Apparently there is an audition process where they, according to
this article, they want to see things like get hard
now and like get off now on command, which I
would think would be hard to do. My understanding is
that you have to you have to be able to
perform continuously over and over again all day. So I
(05:53):
know a lot of these folks use you know, performance enhancements,
be it VIAGRAA or other things because it's hard now, well,
because it's like it's not tenable to me. You might
if you're young you might you know, pop a couple
of times, but like in an hour or two. But
like me, I mean, I get I don't know, you
can't do it on command. Well, I don't have any.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Actually know that. Actually someone said I just got soft actually,
so like yell at it. It makes it work. Yeah
better if you scream hurry up.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
I don't know, it's hard faster yeah right, yeah. No. Unfortunately,
this this age, I don't have issues with that per se.
But I will say it's not like it. I mean, Jason,
we're not You're much younger than I am, but you're
like in the middle of where I think I was,
Like a strong wind would okay, so like early twenty
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teenager early twenties, a strong wind would come by and
I had to sit down because like things were happening
and nothing was happening. And then I would say thirties whatever,
And now I would say, it's not Fortunately, it's not
an issue of how well it works. It's just an
issue of like, what's my motivation And I'm just kind
of like, it just takes more.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, it takes more frequent. It's definitely not as frequent
or like.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
The drive isn't it's still there, but it's not like insatiable.
And I feel like there was a time in my
life where I couldn't get enough. Ye like it would hurt,
like right, oh my gosh, no this is true. Yeah no,
and this like a couple of times a day.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Or something it hurts.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah, Okay, it's still but yeah, do you could any
of you?
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Well, then they get into like you know, in this article,
it's like can you could you perform? How often can
you perform? Can you do things on command?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
You know?
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Can you get past the fact that you're doing this
very personal thing with cameras and lights and like subway
sandwiches in the catering department over like you know, kind.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Of lingering over there. At least they give you.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
I mean, I know there are some like gross stories
because I mean, you know, we're dealing with so things happen,
and I don't know, can you like desensitize yourself to that?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
I mean, can you?
Speaker 1 (08:05):
And then I think there's like the emotional sort of
you know, the intangibles like yeah, so you're getting laid
all day, but like again, how many times are you
having fun with it?
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Two?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
You're not choosing to do it? Three? It lives forever.
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
That's another thing people don't think about it. You may
think it's a great idea now, but like, are you
going to think it's a great idea in ten years
when you meet someone who you fall in love with
who maybe isn't cool with your past, or you have
kids someday, and that stuff's out there. So I think
there's like it's sort of a thoughtful component to all this.
But do you think you guys could do it? Could
any of you do it?
Speaker 2 (08:38):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I don't think I could either, No way, no nobody,
None of us sn't.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
So it's like, now that we're talking this out, I
guess I can maybe understand why there are probably a
lot of people out there who think they can do it.
But do you have all of that? Are you capable
of all of those things?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Depending on the pay, I might give it a good
old college try.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Getting six figures out.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah, I once saw how much it pays. It's not
it's not what you'd think.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
I mean, I'll film it, but just not for everyone
to see. Like I have no issue doing my own
motion page.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah. I always wonder that about like like you know
how people just put like porn on Twitter now.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Like like one, but it is porn, but like that's
so public, right, Like that's the social media that like
everyone can see.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Like so you could have past teachers, past like your
family members just like scroll upon your porn on Twitter
is crazy.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
I don't want that.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
And how do you just like, how do you turn
that off?
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I guess maybe, I guess if you don't have anyone
that's unfortunately that close to you from your past. But
but you feel me, I don't. I have filmed myself
and I don't enjoy watching it.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I'm highly self critical, Like I don't. I don't think
it looks that good.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Well, how bright were the lights?
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I mean you got to do like mood lighting.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I mean I didn't do it like in a surgical center,
like I didn't.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
No, no, it's been a long time, but I think
I like I had an actual or something. Well, I
had like a video camera, yeah, and I turned this
is like this is a long time ago, and I, well, no,
this is it. So I turned the night vision on
on the camera because this is like parasital. This was
(10:23):
like yeah, this was like mid mid two thousands. I
think I was like twenty something and I bought like
a camera, and somehow I knew I was hammered, but
some we were all hammered, But somehow I.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Knew we were off. No, it was me and the
other person.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
So I turned and then I was like, but I
don't know how to this day, if I still had
that cam court, I couldn't tell you how to turn
that mode on, but I somehow knew how to be.
And then I sat it on my nightstand and there
was a candlelight that was the only light in the room,
and I think and everyone knew what was going on
obviously because it was like we are both of us,
everyone involved, everybody involved, and the other person I knew
(11:11):
today everybody invod in a situation. But I think I
don't know if this person thought if she blew the
candle out that it would make it like less obvious
who it was. But all that did was just make
it crystal clear because the night vision was on and
the candle was blowing out the image and the video
(11:33):
of you watch it, it's like you can't really see anything,
and then you see her blow the candle out, and
then it's like crystal clear what's going on? But I
just I don't. I don't look like I think I
look doing that, and I am realistic about it and
I am self aware, and I just don't need to
watch myself do it.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Now.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
If somebody else wants to send me some content by themselves,
that's fine, but like I don't, I don't need to
watch myself do it. That does nothing for me. Yeah,
and I also don't think I need that evidence out there. Luckily,
this was on an actual tape that I destroyed, But
like the digital stuff scares me because I don't know
that stuff could wind up anywhere and you don't know, and.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
So destroy it.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
I like pulled the tape out of the thing. Oh okay,
oh yeah, like it's gone.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Gone like Hugh Hafner where he had all of his
videos put into a coffin and sealed and dropped into
one of the oceans.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
There was one, So yeah, I tossed it in Lake Michigan.
I don't know where.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Okay, go to the playpen everybody.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
See.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
But with my luck, I wouldn't throw it like far enough,
you know, I would like toss it, but someone else's
like a fucking bird would come out and pick it up,
and they.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Like, yeah, disperse it.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Yeah, and the bird would the bird would put it
on you porn and send it to everyone.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Honestly, we need that, like we need a scandal.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Finally a scandal, But it could be one of you, guys,
because nobody wants to see that.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Nobody wants to see that.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Everybody has a market.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Nobody wants to see that.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
I read our text. I read Keeky's DMS where she
gets this woman up into thinking they'll get to marry you.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah, I don't right, no, But I mean, you guys
have known me long enough, you've heard the story. But
I've had more than one person who I was casually
dating but we hadn't slept together yet, Like, very very
very early on, I've had more than one woman send
me a video of them with another man telling me
that that's what they want me to do to them.
I don't like, and I'm like, no, this one girl,
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this was a long time ago, and like, I don't know,
we were talking, we went on a date.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
I get home from the date. We didn't do anything.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
I think we kissed, and I get this text from
her and I figure it's like that I'm home text
and she was certainly home. No, I don't know, but anyway,
it was a video and it was taken from like
the male perspective behind a woman, so it was like
POV like looking down at the action, like doggy style action,
and it was the dude, Like the dude was holding
the camera and he was doing a thing. And not
only was he doing a thing, but he was doing
(14:04):
a very naughty thing. He was he was on the
third floor. Oh no, not the back door, he promise,
and right, and the caption said this is what I
want you to do to me. And so I'm watching
this and there's no faces or anything in it, but
I'm like, there's like hair on the back, like her hair,
and I go, is that I texted you? Is that
(14:25):
you getting railed by some other dog? And she's like, yeah,
that's what I want you to do to me. Isn't
that hot? And I was like, you could have just growed.
You could have like the description would have been fine,
some words would have been Okay, I don't need to
see another guy, like I don't need a demonstration.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Also, she's she's fun, she wants that before just the
old I don't know you'd be surprised.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
You'd be surprised. There are people out there that really
like that.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
I understand before the KOUCHI is just a little wild.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
But all I'm telling you is I judgment. I couldn't
do it. I'm like, lady, like you could. You could
just use words, you could.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Just say that's a wild wrath, just send like I don't.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
I don't need to see another like. Look, I know
that I look, we're not virgins. I understand that. I reluctantly,
I'm very sadly. I know that people have already done
these things with us before we do them to each other.
But I didn't need to see an actual demonstration.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
I just didn't know what it looks.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
But more than one person has done this to me,
and I'm like, and it turns me off, and and
a lot of people. I think there is a large
component of people out there that think that's hot. They
can they can differentiate, you know, they can remove themselves
from like any emotion or feeling or desire to have
something that's only theirs. They can do that. You look
at all these people who were out there who like
watching they like watching a partner with other people like
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that's not me, And so I know they are friends
of mine who have told the story to you, who
are like that's hot.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I'm like, but it's not hot.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Those women do not know you, the ones sending those videos.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Like tell me what you want, that's fine, like picture
of you, like that's fine, but like I don't need
to see the last guy who inhabited the space guy.
Can you imagine like you check into a hotel room,
and when you check in the hotel room, they send
you a picture of the last person, the status, the
state the room was like, because I know, like I've
(16:18):
left a hotel room like not crazy torn up, but
I've done some stuff in hotel rooms and then left
and and I'm never I'm.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Never coming down.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
But like every time I walk into a hotel room now,
I'm like someone else has done this here too.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
It just which is why I let Jesus take the wheel.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
When I'm in a hotel, it's just like there's it's
like people are like, oh, I cover this and clean this,
and where I'm like, I'm not. It's just there's once
you walk into hotel room, it's over you. Basically, yeah,
oh I don't touch the I don't touch the TV
remote like dude.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Piky puts paper down and the toilet.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
I just you're breathing the air like it's like you.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
There's just I don't think on an airplane. I don't
think in a hotel room. I don't think in a
public restroom. I just I think you've lost the battle
before you even go in there.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
You've lost. The battle, is lost. The battle well.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
So far, no tangy Dick situation, no tangy cat nothing.
Everything so far, everything's okay. I think your body can
withstand more than you think.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
That is true, That is true.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
But I just I don't think there's note you're losing
the battle, Like if you get on an airplane. I
told you guys, one time I got on an airplane next
to a famous person. Famous person is sitting next to me,
and this person had wipes in their bag, like Clorox wipes.
I don't remember her name. She was on the show Martin,
but I think the woman the girl from Martin and
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I and I think she maybe had an OCD issue
or something, So I'm not making fun of her. She
definitely actually she did some other strange things too, but
she nice, nice enough, but she was obsessively cleaning her seat,
the back of the seat, the seat, the armresk, the
tray table, obsessively cleaning it. It took like twenty minutes
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and she went over everything, and it's like, okay, like
if that makes you feel better, then cool, like do that,
but I don't think that that is. It's probably better
than it was. But you're also then gonna breathe in
the air and you're gonna like you didn't get everything.
And then like, let's say you touched your you're gonna
touch your suitcase. Well, your suitcase touched the overhead bin,
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which has been touched by five million people, you know,
I mean, it's just like you're never gonna get it all.
And so even with anxiety, like I just I just
give up, you know what I mean, Like it's it's
nothing I can do, so I don't bother with that.
But yeah, no, I wanted to just meticulously cleaning the
whole thing. And then I was like, you gonna do
mine or no, she wouldn't do mine, so all right,
(18:54):
so no one here is gonna do that. Then no
one here is. I was looking up net worth of
porn stars, by the way. But my thing about net
worth is like, how do you know that? Like, how
do we know that's true.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
I feel like they messed up the game because it's
like free. It's free now everybody's fucking and putting it online.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Well yeah, but I know there's selling lots of ads
and mining lots of data and there's lots of There
are ways that the sites are monetized, and the question
is are they compensating the uh, you know, the porn
stars properly? But yeah, I mean you got porn stars
with net worth five ten fifteen million dollars. Apparently the
number one guy here on the list twenty networth of
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twenty million dollars. He's an adult farm, adult film performer.
I have no idea how or if that's even true,
Like there would be no way to know if it's true.
But I've heard it's somewhere like around one thousand bucks
a day for a female and like seven hundred bucks
a day for a dude. Is what I've heard is average,
and then you can get a whole lot more than that.
Let me see here breaking down the earnings. There's a
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gender pay gap.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
What the fuck?
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Well, hopefully. I hope women get paid more, but I
don't know. Female performers always earn more. Male performers are
paid less. Perfect, I'm okay with that. Actually, let me
see here, but it doesn't say how much. Yeah, it
just says that there's a there's a Yeah, I don't.
I think I saw somewhere it was around a G.
(20:21):
So I don't know. But that's a lot of that's
a lot. That's a lot of work for a G. Right.
I mean, if you work every day, every single day,
showing your stuff out there, then you're gonna make three
hundred and sixty five thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
That's a lot of exposure.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
That's a lot of money. But like then you pay
tax on that or whatever. I don't.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
It doesn't seem like enough. It doesn't seem worth it. No,
And that's a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
And I know people just see now, I'd take three
hundred and sixty five grand a bang, But like think
about that, would you? Though?
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Bang?
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Like it's just there's more to it than that.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I mean, can I do it in one of your
guest rooms? That's what my.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Well, guess what, I don't have a guest room. Anymore
for this reason. No more filming porn cal in my
in my spirit.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
It with that.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
It's the I almost closed the breakout like we were
on the definitely not yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
I'm in the same room. May as well be already.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I literally almost took us to break right there.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Something push the button? All right?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Anyway, there's the tang I hope you learned something. I
don't know that you did, though.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Thanks for listening.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Oh and check us out on demand, the French show
on demand. Go listen to that too, if you would
while you're here in all the other Tangent episodes, because
well there's charts and graphs and metrics and ship people
are paying attention, so thank you.
All right, guys, let's do a tangent. I'm feeling inspired
and motivated by a job posting that I saw, so
I hit the thing. Go ahead, it's the tangent giving
you all this shit we couldn't talk about on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
As you know, I've been doing this for a long time,
this radio thing. I've been in Chicago almost fifteen years.
I've been doing morning radio almost twenty and in radio,
I think I've been getting paid for radio for since
I was well, since I was twenty, but then I
was not paid when I was listened thirty years, almost
sixteen years old, when I was thirty years So I
(00:33):
think I might I might hang it up because I
saw a job posting. I saw a need. There's a
need out there. And the headline here is there's a
shortage of male porn stars. Oh there's a shortage. There
was a pilot shortage. I missed that, and I'm just
I'm done missing my calling. I really am, right. No,
(00:54):
it's like, look, I love this job and I'm very grateful,
but I missed a pilot shortage calling that it was
it was called my name, you know, it was dude.
You know, come on, man, like put on a uniform
and little stripes on your shoulder and like let's fly
to Omaha, Like let's do it, man. But I was man, No,
that's what That's what the universe was telling me. But no,
I stood that I stayed right here. I stayed right here,
(01:17):
that I did idea. But not this time, though, guys,
not this time.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
God, I'm not. I'm not going to do it.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
So apparently there is a lack How can this be though, Like,
that's my question, how how can that be possible? I
would think, if anything, there would be a lack of
female adult film stars. But I will say this man
of the consumer, right, So like and and and men
(01:44):
are into that sort of content. I mean, not that
women aren't, but like, would you say, is it fair
to say that a a man is more likely to
pay to look at a naked woman than a woman
is to look at a naked man just because of
how the game works in the straight world? Is that
a fair stay? Because I feel like women kind of
control the sex game, like men typically are chasing women,
(02:06):
women are typically gatekeeping. You're action, yes, well whatever, if
it's an aator, what societal or whatever it is? So
my guess would be that, you know, there would be
more women out there taking a clothes off for money
because there's a lot of male consumers who would buy
this kind of stuff. And that's not to say that
women don't like porn, but my guess would be there's
a much higher ratio of men paying for this than women.
(02:27):
Thus there would be more females than men making content
like this, right. But I would think that if there
were a job posting on indeed or something for porn star,
I would think that a lot of guys would would
sign up for that, whether they have the proper qualifications
or not. Calon, what are you looking for in a
good porn star? A good male porn star?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Okay, so that's.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Where you lose me because I don't love a male
porn star. It's very hard to find a dude that
I find hot in porn. They're usually a little cringe.
So honestly, I prefer to watch women. So I might
not be the demo. Yeah, I mean I want you
to not if I had to, like if I if
I am thinking of what I won't turn off if
(03:07):
I go and there's a man, don't be like overly
like you don't look like you go to the gym
five times a day, Like I don't want your your
your veins bulging out, like that's a little scary, you know,
and look like a like a normal dude might look.
You know, because I like to put myself in the scenario.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, because you guys, you guys watch the plot. Yeah,
and I don't. Do you watch the plot? Kiky?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Are you a plot person? Do you need to know
why why in fact the plumber's there?
Speaker 4 (03:37):
No, it just needs to look real, homemade.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
She likes mad.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Do you want to know how she got stuck in
the dishwasher? Like, I know it's not concerning to me.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
No, no, No, I don't need to know how. I
just need to know this, Like it needs to look believable.
I hate a fake moan and all that.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
I don't need it.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Well, I think a lot of it's fake, honestly, because
I've watched a lot of I've listened to podcasts, I've
watched TikTok videos about Like, it's not that it's not enjoyable,
But I think the one I said of the day
described it best.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
It's work.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
It's a job, so it's not it's not that they
don't like it a lot of times, but like it's
what they're it's I don't know, the mindset is not
this is for pleasure.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
The mindset is this is a performance.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
And that's like I feel like I can tell when
girls are actually having fun and when they're not, like
and so I'm like, that's why I'm like, I don't.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Think, well, this one guy. This is according to Metro
dot this is metro dot co dot UK. It's a
metro that's a British publication. According to them. A Japanese
porn actor claimed recently they're around seventy men to every
ten thousand women in the industry, which I guess that
would that would include like OnlyFans and stuff, because you know,
anybody can sell this stuff online, so I would it
(04:39):
doesn't surprise me that there's a lot of a lot
of people doing it. I guess that was the point
I was making before. But I'm trying to figure out,
you know, like what what the qualifications are, you know,
like what what would what would they be looking for
when casting? I mean, I assume size, I assume you know,
male size and fitness, but not all the guys are fit.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Yeah, no, I need you to look more realistic, Like
I don't want it to look like your arm's hurt
because you're gonna bulge out of them, like you know
sponge You don't watch SpongeBob, but when he pumped.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
His arms up, like that's what they look like.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Like I also feel like the ugly guys in porn
are due to like cast themselves, Like if you're if
you're an ugly fat guy in a porn, I feel
like you were the producer, like you.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Would like some people want what's ugly to one woman.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Maybe you know a treasure to someone else, one man's trash.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I guess. I mean you have to have talent, right.
Apparently there is an audition process where they, according to
this article, they want to see things like get hard
now and like get off now on command, which I
would think would be hard to do. My understanding is
that you have to you have to be able to
perform continuously over and over again all day. So I
(05:53):
know a lot of these folks use you know, performance enhancements,
be it VIAGRAA or other things because it's hard now, well,
because it's like it's not tenable to me. You might
if you're young you might you know, pop a couple
of times, but like in an hour or two. But
like me, I mean, I get I don't know, you
can't do it on command. Well, I don't have any.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Actually know that. Actually someone said I just got soft actually,
so like yell at it. It makes it work. Yeah
better if you scream hurry up.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
I don't know, it's hard faster yeah right, yeah. No. Unfortunately,
this this age, I don't have issues with that per se.
But I will say it's not like it. I mean, Jason,
we're not You're much younger than I am, but you're
like in the middle of where I think I was,
Like a strong wind would okay, so like early twenty
(06:49):
teenager early twenties, a strong wind would come by and
I had to sit down because like things were happening
and nothing was happening. And then I would say thirties whatever,
And now I would say, it's not Fortunately, it's not
an issue of how well it works. It's just an
issue of like, what's my motivation And I'm just kind
of like, it just takes more.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, it takes more frequent. It's definitely not as frequent
or like.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
The drive isn't it's still there, but it's not like insatiable.
And I feel like there was a time in my
life where I couldn't get enough. Ye like it would hurt,
like right, oh my gosh, no this is true. Yeah no,
and this like a couple of times a day.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Or something it hurts.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah, Okay, it's still but yeah, do you could any
of you?
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Well, then they get into like you know, in this article,
it's like can you could you perform? How often can
you perform? Can you do things on command?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
You know?
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Can you get past the fact that you're doing this
very personal thing with cameras and lights and like subway
sandwiches in the catering department over like you know, kind.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Of lingering over there. At least they give you.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
I mean, I know there are some like gross stories
because I mean, you know, we're dealing with so things happen,
and I don't know, can you like desensitize yourself to that?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
I mean, can you?
Speaker 1 (08:05):
And then I think there's like the emotional sort of
you know, the intangibles like yeah, so you're getting laid
all day, but like again, how many times are you
having fun with it?
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Two?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
You're not choosing to do it? Three? It lives forever.
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
That's another thing people don't think about it. You may
think it's a great idea now, but like, are you
going to think it's a great idea in ten years
when you meet someone who you fall in love with
who maybe isn't cool with your past, or you have
kids someday, and that stuff's out there. So I think
there's like it's sort of a thoughtful component to all this.
But do you think you guys could do it? Could
any of you do it?
Speaker 2 (08:38):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I don't think I could either, No way, no nobody,
None of us sn't.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
So it's like, now that we're talking this out, I
guess I can maybe understand why there are probably a
lot of people out there who think they can do it.
But do you have all of that? Are you capable
of all of those things?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Depending on the pay, I might give it a good
old college try.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Getting six figures out.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah, I once saw how much it pays. It's not
it's not what you'd think.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
I mean, I'll film it, but just not for everyone
to see. Like I have no issue doing my own
motion page.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah. I always wonder that about like like you know
how people just put like porn on Twitter now.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Like like one, but it is porn, but like that's
so public, right, Like that's the social media that like
everyone can see.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Like so you could have past teachers, past like your
family members just like scroll upon your porn on Twitter
is crazy.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
I don't want that.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
And how do you just like, how do you turn
that off?
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I guess maybe, I guess if you don't have anyone
that's unfortunately that close to you from your past. But
but you feel me, I don't. I have filmed myself
and I don't enjoy watching it.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I'm highly self critical, Like I don't. I don't think
it looks that good.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Well, how bright were the lights?
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I mean you got to do like mood lighting.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I mean I didn't do it like in a surgical center,
like I didn't.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
No, no, it's been a long time, but I think
I like I had an actual or something. Well, I
had like a video camera, yeah, and I turned this
is like this is a long time ago, and I, well, no,
this is it. So I turned the night vision on
on the camera because this is like parasital. This was
(10:23):
like yeah, this was like mid mid two thousands. I
think I was like twenty something and I bought like
a camera, and somehow I knew I was hammered, but
some we were all hammered, But somehow I.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Knew we were off. No, it was me and the
other person.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
So I turned and then I was like, but I
don't know how to this day, if I still had
that cam court, I couldn't tell you how to turn
that mode on, but I somehow knew how to be.
And then I sat it on my nightstand and there
was a candlelight that was the only light in the room,
and I think and everyone knew what was going on
obviously because it was like we are both of us,
everyone involved, everybody involved, and the other person I knew
(11:11):
today everybody invod in a situation. But I think I
don't know if this person thought if she blew the
candle out that it would make it like less obvious
who it was. But all that did was just make
it crystal clear because the night vision was on and
the candle was blowing out the image and the video
(11:33):
of you watch it, it's like you can't really see anything,
and then you see her blow the candle out, and
then it's like crystal clear what's going on? But I
just I don't. I don't look like I think I
look doing that, and I am realistic about it and
I am self aware, and I just don't need to
watch myself do it.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Now.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
If somebody else wants to send me some content by themselves,
that's fine, but like I don't, I don't need to
watch myself do it. That does nothing for me. Yeah,
and I also don't think I need that evidence out there. Luckily,
this was on an actual tape that I destroyed, But
like the digital stuff scares me because I don't know
that stuff could wind up anywhere and you don't know, and.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
So destroy it.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
I like pulled the tape out of the thing. Oh okay,
oh yeah, like it's gone.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Gone like Hugh Hafner where he had all of his
videos put into a coffin and sealed and dropped into
one of the oceans.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
There was one, So yeah, I tossed it in Lake Michigan.
I don't know where.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Okay, go to the playpen everybody.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
See.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
But with my luck, I wouldn't throw it like far enough,
you know, I would like toss it, but someone else's
like a fucking bird would come out and pick it up,
and they.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Like, yeah, disperse it.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Yeah, and the bird would the bird would put it
on you porn and send it to everyone.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Honestly, we need that, like we need a scandal.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Finally a scandal, But it could be one of you, guys,
because nobody wants to see that.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Nobody wants to see that.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Everybody has a market.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Nobody wants to see that.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
I read our text. I read Keeky's DMS where she
gets this woman up into thinking they'll get to marry you.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah, I don't right, no, But I mean, you guys
have known me long enough, you've heard the story. But
I've had more than one person who I was casually
dating but we hadn't slept together yet, Like, very very
very early on, I've had more than one woman send
me a video of them with another man telling me
that that's what they want me to do to them.
I don't like, and I'm like, no, this one girl,
(13:37):
this was a long time ago, and like, I don't know,
we were talking, we went on a date.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
I get home from the date. We didn't do anything.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
I think we kissed, and I get this text from
her and I figure it's like that I'm home text
and she was certainly home. No, I don't know, but anyway,
it was a video and it was taken from like
the male perspective behind a woman, so it was like
POV like looking down at the action, like doggy style action,
and it was the dude, Like the dude was holding
the camera and he was doing a thing. And not
only was he doing a thing, but he was doing
(14:04):
a very naughty thing. He was he was on the
third floor. Oh no, not the back door, he promise,
and right, and the caption said this is what I
want you to do to me. And so I'm watching
this and there's no faces or anything in it, but
I'm like, there's like hair on the back, like her hair,
and I go, is that I texted you? Is that
(14:25):
you getting railed by some other dog? And she's like, yeah,
that's what I want you to do to me. Isn't
that hot? And I was like, you could have just growed.
You could have like the description would have been fine,
some words would have been Okay, I don't need to
see another guy, like I don't need a demonstration.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Also, she's she's fun, she wants that before just the
old I don't know you'd be surprised.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
You'd be surprised. There are people out there that really
like that.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
I understand before the KOUCHI is just a little wild.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
But all I'm telling you is I judgment. I couldn't
do it. I'm like, lady, like you could. You could
just use words, you could.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Just say that's a wild wrath, just send like I don't.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
I don't need to see another like. Look, I know
that I look, we're not virgins. I understand that. I reluctantly,
I'm very sadly. I know that people have already done
these things with us before we do them to each other.
But I didn't need to see an actual demonstration.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
I just didn't know what it looks.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
But more than one person has done this to me,
and I'm like, and it turns me off, and and
a lot of people. I think there is a large
component of people out there that think that's hot. They
can they can differentiate, you know, they can remove themselves
from like any emotion or feeling or desire to have
something that's only theirs. They can do that. You look
at all these people who were out there who like
watching they like watching a partner with other people like
(15:47):
that's not me, And so I know they are friends
of mine who have told the story to you, who
are like that's hot.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I'm like, but it's not hot.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Those women do not know you, the ones sending those videos.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Like tell me what you want, that's fine, like picture
of you, like that's fine, but like I don't need
to see the last guy who inhabited the space guy.
Can you imagine like you check into a hotel room,
and when you check in the hotel room, they send
you a picture of the last person, the status, the
state the room was like, because I know, like I've
(16:18):
left a hotel room like not crazy torn up, but
I've done some stuff in hotel rooms and then left
and and I'm never I'm.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Never coming down.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
But like every time I walk into a hotel room now,
I'm like someone else has done this here too.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
It just which is why I let Jesus take the wheel.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
When I'm in a hotel, it's just like there's it's
like people are like, oh, I cover this and clean this,
and where I'm like, I'm not. It's just there's once
you walk into hotel room, it's over you. Basically, yeah,
oh I don't touch the I don't touch the TV
remote like dude.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Piky puts paper down and the toilet.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
I just you're breathing the air like it's like you.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
There's just I don't think on an airplane. I don't
think in a hotel room. I don't think in a
public restroom. I just I think you've lost the battle
before you even go in there.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
You've lost. The battle, is lost. The battle well.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
So far, no tangy Dick situation, no tangy cat nothing.
Everything so far, everything's okay. I think your body can
withstand more than you think.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
That is true, That is true.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
But I just I don't think there's note you're losing
the battle, Like if you get on an airplane. I
told you guys, one time I got on an airplane next
to a famous person. Famous person is sitting next to me,
and this person had wipes in their bag, like Clorox wipes.
I don't remember her name. She was on the show Martin,
but I think the woman the girl from Martin and
(17:48):
I and I think she maybe had an OCD issue
or something, So I'm not making fun of her. She
definitely actually she did some other strange things too, but
she nice, nice enough, but she was obsessively cleaning her seat,
the back of the seat, the seat, the armresk, the
tray table, obsessively cleaning it. It took like twenty minutes
(18:09):
and she went over everything, and it's like, okay, like
if that makes you feel better, then cool, like do that,
but I don't think that that is. It's probably better
than it was. But you're also then gonna breathe in
the air and you're gonna like you didn't get everything.
And then like, let's say you touched your you're gonna
touch your suitcase. Well, your suitcase touched the overhead bin,
(18:31):
which has been touched by five million people, you know,
I mean, it's just like you're never gonna get it all.
And so even with anxiety, like I just I just
give up, you know what I mean, Like it's it's
nothing I can do, so I don't bother with that.
But yeah, no, I wanted to just meticulously cleaning the
whole thing. And then I was like, you gonna do
mine or no, she wouldn't do mine, so all right,
(18:54):
so no one here is gonna do that. Then no
one here is. I was looking up net worth of
porn stars, by the way. But my thing about net
worth is like, how do you know that? Like, how
do we know that's true.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
I feel like they messed up the game because it's
like free. It's free now everybody's fucking and putting it online.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Well yeah, but I know there's selling lots of ads
and mining lots of data and there's lots of There
are ways that the sites are monetized, and the question
is are they compensating the uh, you know, the porn
stars properly? But yeah, I mean you got porn stars
with net worth five ten fifteen million dollars. Apparently the
number one guy here on the list twenty networth of
(19:33):
twenty million dollars. He's an adult farm, adult film performer.
I have no idea how or if that's even true,
Like there would be no way to know if it's true.
But I've heard it's somewhere like around one thousand bucks
a day for a female and like seven hundred bucks
a day for a dude. Is what I've heard is average,
and then you can get a whole lot more than that.
Let me see here breaking down the earnings. There's a
(19:57):
gender pay gap.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
What the fuck?
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Well, hopefully. I hope women get paid more, but I
don't know. Female performers always earn more. Male performers are
paid less. Perfect, I'm okay with that. Actually, let me
see here, but it doesn't say how much. Yeah, it
just says that there's a there's a Yeah, I don't.
I think I saw somewhere it was around a G.
(20:21):
So I don't know. But that's a lot of that's
a lot. That's a lot of work for a G. Right.
I mean, if you work every day, every single day,
showing your stuff out there, then you're gonna make three
hundred and sixty five thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
That's a lot of exposure.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
That's a lot of money. But like then you pay
tax on that or whatever. I don't.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
It doesn't seem like enough. It doesn't seem worth it. No,
And that's a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
And I know people just see now, I'd take three
hundred and sixty five grand a bang, But like think
about that, would you? Though?
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Bang?
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Like it's just there's more to it than that.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I mean, can I do it in one of your
guest rooms? That's what my.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Well, guess what, I don't have a guest room. Anymore
for this reason. No more filming porn cal in my
in my spirit.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
It with that.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
It's the I almost closed the breakout like we were
on the definitely not yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
I'm in the same room. May as well be already.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I literally almost took us to break right there.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Something push the button? All right?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Anyway, there's the tang I hope you learned something. I
don't know that you did, though.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Thanks for listening.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Oh and check us out on demand, the French show
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