2023 Week 2 Recap

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
They Around the NFL podcast always goes for it on
Fourth Down.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
From the Chris Westling podcast studio. It's around the NFL
the flagship.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Program Sunday Recap.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
And I am Dan Hanss and I have Greg Rosendal
and Mark Sessler here.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
How are you boys feeling frisky?

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (00:29):
Greg and I spend a lot of time together today,
as we do on these Sundays.

Speaker 5 (00:33):
Yes, I was well in the Thursday night recap. The
bond not just because of our adopted team. We'll get
to them later. Is this going stronger and strong? I
know you don't like it. You want animosity. You try
to bring us apart.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
It's a burgeoning issue for you.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Dan.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Let us Let me send me a photo of the
two of you hanging out in a social setting and
then I'll start.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
We are always I mean, I'm the same stuff.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Fact that it is with you, as with the fact
that you're of us.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
You can get along with each other at work should
not be something that's celebrated or made for me to
feel uncomfortable. I'm happy you guys like each other in
the office. We can it's a change. Celebrate each other
in any way we win.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
It's a change. I appreciate it. How is it a
change to you?

Speaker 2 (01:14):
The change you want to see in the world. You
know who said that, Mike Tyson, Well, Greg has said it.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Multi. Yes, we're just pushing back on a little narrative.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
But you're the you made the narrative. I'm happy you
guys are falling in love and agree with you.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
Sound absolutely thrilled with the development.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
There's nothing better than a positive a podcast where everyone
agrees with everyone at all times. And if I have
to be the guy that slides into this little bond,
I will Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
What a setup.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
As Razor ramone one said, I'm the bad guy. If
I must be, I will be for our listeners. And
you know the referee in Detroit, let's hear him browning.

Speaker 6 (01:53):
Offense number seven.

Speaker 5 (01:55):
I'm talking to.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
America here, and that's cool. He's talking to America on
this podcast. We talked to the world. So yes, at
least zero. I think it's I think it's great. I
think it's great that you guys have this bond in
year eleven. That's hitting a level that we hadn't seen before.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
It's an international bond.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Speaking of international, we'll have an announcement coming up soon.
Leave it there, Leave it there.

Speaker 5 (02:28):
I feel like our listeners could guess the general gist,
but there are specifics.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Just leave it sometimes, just leave it right.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Leave it.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
You did the same thing on the Thursday show when
Mark and I were like laughing about that thing.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
I don't even remember what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
You know the thing?

Speaker 4 (02:43):
Remember people have they've inquired where the giggles came from,
and it's likest just let you let the.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Let the thing in the air, all right, Week two Sunday,
lots of football. I think we just got to get
to it. Greg, you ready to get to it? Please,
let's do it. Starting where we must start the game
is actually in the same building where that referee had
that little America quip.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
I wish I knew his name. I actually typed the officials.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
I said, I can get that for you. I tried
to good luck because it just said on Twitter. I
typed it in X excuse me the quote waiting for
one tweet saying who the what the man's name was?

Speaker 4 (03:26):
Did you try Google?

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Did he try to pick that game book?

Speaker 1 (03:29):
That's waiting?

Speaker 4 (03:30):
The effort became too much.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
It was it was a search.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
After the was it reliable? Landscape of X didn't provide
what you needed.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Come on, I'm seeing I'm seeing Alex Kemp lead official.
I like Alex Kemp.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Camper has got a good personality. Back to ford Field.

Speaker 7 (03:46):
Hutchinson's back in the game for the Lions. Gino from
the shotgun with Walker beside him. Three wide receivers in
the game. Gino is Yorking, Yorking. Now he throws fourth time,
it's wucking. Does he reach the ball across.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Over by.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
Seyhawks?

Speaker 7 (04:04):
Tyler Lockett bt a little pants out into the right
side plan reaches.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
The ball across the pilon.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
He scores.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
They're gonna check to be sure.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
But all you gotta do is get the ball across.

Speaker 8 (04:17):
The top of the pylon.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Hell yeah, and he touches it.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
He did it. He's good for a face.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
He did. We got here room, Gary, my heroes. It
was worth hanging in. Well, we don't need that. That's
what I do. All right.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Here we go Steve Rabel and Dave Lyman with the
call k I r Oh. The Seahawks almost let it
slip away at ford Field, blowing a ten point fourth
quarter lead, but they won the overtime coin toss, then
won the game when Gino connected with Tyler Lockett, all
reliable who connected with the pylon. Final score Seahawks thirty seven,
Lions thirty one, Greggy, great back and forth affair and

(04:58):
a huge lift for Seattle after we one's disappointment.

Speaker 5 (05:01):
An awesome game between these two teams for the second
straight year. Was forty eight to forty five last year,
this one just as exciting. And as much as I
want to honk about Gino and we can a little later,
I just think Tyler Lockett's one of those guys that
is gonna be a legend in Seattle for the rest
of his life. What is this his tenth year in

(05:22):
the league. That he's a bigger deal to his team
than you can possibly imagine. And to me, this was
such a classic Tyler Locket game. He drawed, he drew
a PI that led to a TD early and then
twenty four to twenty one fourth quarter early Seahawks trailing
third and ten, Big Spot twenty I'm sorry they were
trailing by four at the time. Trailing by four third

(05:43):
and ten, Big Spot need that first down. Lockett creates
so much separation, wins early in the route, gets open
for genial gets the first down. Very next play gets
open immediately for Gino who drops it in the bucket
on a beautiful touchdown pass. And then fast forward to
overtime win and he needs someone to get open and
make a play. It's Tyler Lockett, and so he doesn't

(06:04):
jump off the box score. But it was such a
smart veteran game by Gino, Lockett and DK Metcalf who
was fighting through an injury to survive without their two
starting tackles against this Lions team.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
So it's such a such a Week two type performance
in general with the NFL, where there's this bounce back
and we saw from Seattle and Gino looks like it
played great. Like I have a question because my takeaway
from watching the Lions against the Chiefs and the opener was, Wow,
this defense is transformed.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
It's different.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
It's changed the secondary especially, and I'm looking at the numbers,
say it's like, what happened to Detroit's secondary?

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Well, let's let Dan Campbell start by maybe addressing some
of that.

Speaker 9 (06:45):
You know, we had our opportunities there again, man, take
the turnovers away all of a sudden. Man, we're in
control of that game like we should be. But Ultimately,
you know what, they got the ball out. We didn't,
and we put a tremendous amount of stress on our defense.
You know when you do that, and we did. We
had some man, you know, we we had some really

(07:06):
good opportunities that we just didn't capitalize fro him. And look,
I know it stings, and those guys are disappointed. I'm disappointed.
The staff is. But my gosh, man, this is this
is good. You know, we'll get a little humble pie
here and we got a real good opponent coming in
next week. And you know they they run it is good,

(07:27):
if not better than those guys, and they have better weapons.

Speaker 5 (07:30):
I usually think Jan Campbell's pretty straightforward. That was not
being straightforward his defense.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
He said it was good.

Speaker 5 (07:39):
His defense was bad. I think he's doing the thing.
It's the Parcels thing too, and he once played for
Parcels where you pump him up a little bit like
the people that really need to hear it the negative stuff.
You don't say it to him after a loss. It
was on their defense. Yes, the offense turned it over.
That was the difference in the game, because otherwise I
think the lines could have put up fifty today. But

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the defense had one quarterback hit the entire game. That
came on a play where Geno Smith thought that he
had to take a sack no matter what, and it
would have been the play that people remember Gino on
this game for he played like fifty perfect snaps and
then ran around and took a seventeen yard loss because
he didn't want to stop the clock even though it

(08:21):
was the two minute warning right before they gave the
ball back to the lines late in regulation. That was
the only time anyone touched Gino the whole game. And yes,
Gino did a great job navigating the pocket. He got
rid of the ball pretty well, but their pass rush
was pretty much absent. The only play Aiden Hutchinson made
was like a screen pass that he tipped. I mean,
the Seahawks out schemed them. They could have had more

(08:44):
points in this game, too, So neither defense covered themselves
in glory in the lines and make any plays on defense.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Gino referred to as the adversity killer after this game.
And by the way, the opponent coming up next is
the Atlanta Falcons, as a team that obviously loves to
run the football.

Speaker 5 (09:03):
Did he just say they had bet the Atlanta Falcons
had better skill players than the Seahawks.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Weird, little weird.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
It's DK Metcalf who called Gino the adversity killer. So yeah,
that was after all that disappointment in Week one to
be able to rally back the way they did it
and on the line side of the ball.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
The end of this game, because they.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Had a pick six Jared Goff, I understand in this game,
and how did they get back into the game.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Take me through that right.

Speaker 5 (09:31):
So they were up by four as I was mentioning
twenty one to seventeen going into the fourth quarter. The
Seahawks end up ripping off two touchdowns and short or
to the first of the pass from Lockett and then
Goff on a throw that Campbell said was more of
a indecisive route by the running back, which was Jamir Gibbs.

(09:52):
I didn't see that. But injuries really did affect the Lions.
They were without their left tackle, Taylor Decker, and for
the most part that was fine, and then they lost
David Montgomery in the game, who had a costly fumble too,
and the Montgomery injury did hurt him because they had
a bad pass protection play right before Goff through that
interception where he took a sack and then he seemed

(10:13):
a little spooked and got rid of the ball a
little too quickly even though pressure wasn't there, and they
blamed it on Gibbs, but I don't know, it just
looked like a bad throw and kind of one of
those GoF gets spooked. After that long interception streak ended,
so their injuries mattered, and they also lost vy Tie,
their offensive lineman to what did not look like a

(10:33):
good injury during the game.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
So that was a couple key losses.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
And that's who they are. I mean, their offensive line
is the core of I think one of the huge
reasons that you know, up until today Jared Goff was
without an interception. That streak is broken. That was very costly.
Like I thought, I was sort of expecting Gibbs to
make a leap in this game or soon, and it's
like seven carries for seventeen yards on the ground. Is
he just not fully there yet?

Speaker 5 (10:56):
They Yeah, they didn't really do much on the ground
in general, but you can kind of see why they
Like Gibbs also busted up Seattle on a couple of
nice choice routes, Like I'm not that worried about him,
but you saw why he was underground.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
I do want to give Pete Carroll just a little
bit of juice though.

Speaker 5 (11:09):
Goes goes for a fourth down on that drive in
the middle of in the middle of the third quarter
in his own end is a second straight week we've
seen some of these old coaches, including Pete going for
it on fourth down. I think he knew his offense
had to carry him today and then they went for it.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
And give Pete also some juice. Men's in his seventies
now that intentional grounding that led to the I'm talking
to America line.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
He was on fire.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
He was on fire, terrible, terrible, like a man forty
years as junior. So Pete, It's a never ending flow
of optimism and energy, very vivacious, extremely and a very
nice win for the Seahawks and a tough one for
Detroit who fall to one and one.

Speaker 5 (11:53):
I do want to hear Jaron Reed just quickly for
you guys who in the locker room after the game
was wearing a blue ski mat Chauncey Gardner Johnson, who's
trying to make the blue ski mask a thing in Detroit,
and all these fans who were so loud greg OL's
and said it might have been the loudest stadium he's
ever been in, especially when they made that comeback. A
lot of people show up with the blue ski mask,
but Jaron Reid brings it out in the locker room.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
That's the risk for the listeners is a dance.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
There's a huge dance in the locker room and Jaren
Reid's got the mask on.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
I didn't like the premise of it, which was Gardner
Johnson said, you know our defense, you know we're villains
or something like that, so let's lean into it.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
I don't look at the.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Lines of villains in any way, even if you want
to be the bad boys. I like them as a heartwarming,
lovable group, so I'm fine with the blue mask going away.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
It's not my thing.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
Today.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
They robbed their own offense, so that's not how crime works.
If you're a smart criminal, well.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
You got to move on from there because there's no
coming back.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
I think I should maybe, maybe I should move on
from the whole evening After.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
That, Jim Nance had some howlers today where just some
different play on words. Where Nance is I think he's
just leaning into certain elements of his play by play.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
That just ground the Hotel cast to a halt.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
It's very concerning to me that the first place you
went after my hideous comment was a jim Nance parallel.
That's not a good trajectory.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Let's head to Atlanta, then you'll like this better.

Speaker 10 (13:24):
Ball at the seven coup to try the field goal
to give Atlanta the lead, and the crowd is cooing,
which has become kind of the norm here in Atlanta.
And this will be right at twenty six yards. He's
hit already today from twenty four to thirty three and
thirty nine. That's going to put it right on the fifteen,
so it'll be twenty five yards. Pinion to hold McCullough

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to snap on the left, Ash young wife for the lead.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Snap spot kick is.

Speaker 10 (13:51):
Up and it is perfect, and Atlanta's in front with
fifty seven suckets left.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Okay, West there with the call is ZGC.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
Try to contain yourself there on the radio call?

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yeah maybe maybe okay.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Bjon Robinson ripped off a seven yard run on fourth
and one.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
That's set up who's twenty five.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yarder with less than a minute to play, and the
Falcons rally for a twenty five to twenty four win
over the undermanned Packer is at the big Benz. I
call it that mark. It appears as if Bijeon or
Beajean is the immediate difference maker. We all expected him
to be.

Speaker 4 (14:37):
Looks great through the offense, having a lot of up
and down moments over the last two weeks. It's not
ever been anything but consistency from bejeon Robinson, and he
is in. I think his role just grows weekly. It's
inevitable that we see less of anyone else from the backfield.
He's just that powerful. I mean, I want to mention
how we got to that moment though that kick, because

(14:58):
I thought the Falcons two thirds of the way through
this game, I was sort of imagining this show and
mentioned to Greg that I thought we probably gonna get
Verbally last we.

Speaker 5 (15:07):
Were nervous in theory at about this Falcons. We were
nervous about what big old mean bully Dan was gonna
do to us, and there was reason for it.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
It's terrible. You guys have a bad attitude.

Speaker 4 (15:17):
Okay, that separate, separate of this this having this conversation again,
separate oft that the Falcons were not looking like the
hype machine that we had been discussing over the past
couple of weeks. Desmond Rider really up and down, and
it's just like they weren't the some of their parts.
I thought they grew up today a little bit. They evolved,
and it has a lot to do with Arthur Smith

(15:39):
for me. They were down twelve points in the fourth quarter.
They reel off thirteen consecutive scored on their final four possessions,
and part of it is, you know, they're down twenty
four to twenty two just before the two minute warning
and they're at that fourth and inches situation, and a
lesser coach might say, let's just co the go field
goal here. Instead, Arthur Smith does not want to give

(16:01):
the ball back to Green Bay on fourth and gency
dials up that Bejon Robinson run. Previously in the game
when they were down twenty four to twelve, they had
a fourth and four from the Packers six. Again, he's like,
I'm gonna trust my offense and on that play Desmond
Ridder rolled out ran into the end zone for a score.
So it's like Arthur Smith foot on the gas over
and over, trusting his skilled position players to grow up,

(16:24):
and that move to have Robinson do that milk that
clock down, and it put Jordan Love, who have a
really particularly great game today in general, into a tough spot.
He laid about a minute to operate after that and
looked lost like that. The Packers offense couldn't do anything
at that point and Atlanta completed the comeback. And there's
a lot to say about the Packers' young receivers, about

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the ups and downs with Desmond Ridder about in general,
I think where this Falcons offense is, but I kind
of love that. I think what Arthur Smith is building
is coming into focus to some degree. This would have
been an easy one had that final like twenty minutes
of the game game gone differently to be like the
Falcons are half baked. I think they grew today.

Speaker 5 (17:03):
This is the recipe. Now they should get this win
at home when the Packers don't have David Baktiari, which
is that was surprising, Aaron Jones not there, Christian Watson
not there, Elton Jenkins leaves during the game. So you
could argue that's their four best players on offense, unless
you want to throw Jordan Levin as one of their

(17:24):
best players on offense. But they also did exactly what
the Falcons are supposed to do. They dominated this game
in the line of screwers. Four hundred and forty six
yards to two twenty four. That's the profile of a
game that's not close. Seventy eight plays to forty seven.
That's them wearing down. And so maybe it's not that surprising.
They had a fourth quarter, so maybe this game shouldn't
have been as close. But you still see what the

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Falcons is.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
Forty five carries, four point seven yards per rush.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
There's progress here.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
I thought it was kind of a bad game plan
last week and Smith was defensive about it, and now
it makes more sense. Here's Jean Robinson. He's leading the
game and team and carries that make sense. He has
twenty three touches. That's you're going in or twenty two touches.
Excuse me, twenty three touches that's going in for one
seventy two right direction. Kyle Pitts still lives somewhere, but
not on this roster. But you've got Drake London more involved.

(18:13):
The seven targets. He edded a touchdown. Just you know,
I'll have to watch the game, but I know Ritter
started very poorly and depending on you know, who's watching
the game and how you want to see it. I
was I was reading that there could have been many
more potential turnovers for Ritter if the bounces go against Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
But I'm not here to ran on the parade. You
guys watch it. No, No, I.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
Think I think Ritter is the parade stopper. If you
don't get he threw, you know, he threw his first
career interception today. He also threw a pass right into
the arms of quay Walker that like, quay Walker's gonna
be thinking about that all week. He should not have
dropped it. He should have had three picks. He is
really inconsistent throwing the ball deep, but he did. They did.
Arthur Smith kept trying and he had a couple of
deep connections that made a difference in this game. But

(18:55):
you're kind of riding that ridder wave. I'm not sort
of selling him as the light bulb and this operation.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
This was nice though, I mean it's a it's a
comeback victory. I think this team is built to play
from ahead. All teams are, but this team especially. That
would be my only concern around Atlanta because I think
this running game, I think we all know is for
real and if the defense can play at a certain level.
I don't know if this was a real test in
Week one in Week two because Green Bay was so

(19:21):
banged up the Panthers in Week one, I don't know
about their defense yet. But this has been a two
and oh though. Yeah, you can't take that away. That's
a you can't start any better.

Speaker 5 (19:30):
It's been a perfect setup to start this season. Two
home games like this, where you get the Panthers the
first week and then the Packers I think are a
tough opponent, but with the injuries that they had.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
The David Bactiari situation for the Packers which has been
ongoing for years now, literally years, and we were trying
to decipher it Gregie at the end of the summer
leading into the season, and then we thought maybe veteran
rest days actually did mean that it was just a
veteran restae because then he played last week this week
not around and and now Lafloor adds a little more

(20:01):
context to it, and you realize, really what the Packers
are up against with one of their most important players.

Speaker 11 (20:09):
You're gonna know, I mean, we all know that Dave's
been dealing with this and so no, so.

Speaker 9 (20:16):
It could just be a thing where he doesn't play anything.

Speaker 11 (20:18):
You guys, I'm not going to get into that, Mike.
We all know this has been this is two years now,
so I'm not going to get into it. It's probably
gonna be like this from here on out.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
Mhm.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
He was.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
He was being asked if doctor doesn't play on artificial turf. Now,
if that's going to be and maybe it's only at
home games at Lambeau and road games on grass.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
We'll see.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Obviously it's tender situation. Let's uh any other thoughts on
the game. I would just say that when you're yes,
you were without those guys. But Jaden Reid really nice
game today, two touchdowns, Dontavian Wicks making big plays. It's
like they're just so young that like David BAKTIERI feels
from like eight years ago to me. I know he's
so important to them, but it's like they are growing

(21:01):
this young offense. And I thought that Jordan Love like
after two games, I'm sold, like this guy can play.
I mean, they they kind of fizzled out over the
final three drives. That didn't That wasn't a great look.
But like Jordan Love was making plays all over the place.
I think we need to represent the Packers fan base
here because behind the glass before we started, I was
talking to Randy big Funk and.

Speaker 12 (21:23):
Yeah I was venting a little bit.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah he was pissed, and that's good. Tell me what
you were What were you saying to me behind the glass.

Speaker 12 (21:30):
I said some things along the likes of Joe Barry
should walk home, Yes, walk back to Wisconsin. There was
a moment in the game that I think really stood
out where Campbell are all pro linebacker lined up against
John Robinson. It's like, you can't be making those kinds
of calls that lay in the game against someone that explosive.
And then also it was you know, it was really
hard because A J. Dillon just he can't like go

(21:51):
more than five yards or something without tripping somehow. And
it's like, I get it. He's the big bruiser, he's
the big truck.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
He's a good backup riding back.

Speaker 12 (21:59):
But yeah, but if he if he's try, if he's
your truck, but your truck blows the tire every four yards,
it's like it's frustrated.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
Got a problem, vehicle problem?

Speaker 12 (22:07):
You got a problem and the young guys look great,
but and I mean it's that's that's saying one thing
because everyone's young on that team. But I mean it
was just it was tough man that and those two
big interceptions that the guys they gotta get, you know, it's.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
The quay Walker one was just like that was tough
sitting there.

Speaker 12 (22:23):
But Jai had a that a that's a touchdown, that's
a pick six, And it's like, you can't if you're
gonna talk all that and you're gonna you're gonna have
that person you're gonna carry on the field, you gotta
back it up. And it's i'mna be honest. He was
getting cooked for a good part of this game by
a lot of the receivers.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
Joe Berry is the potentially the off season sin though
that sets this team back, because I was curious. This
was like a early litmus test of is this Packers
evens any different? Because they haven't stopped the run for
three straight years. This is as tough a test as
you can get, and in this game, no, they really
weren't any different. They did not stop the run.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Uh, let's head to the big Chlorian tank where the
Chiefs are looking to get off the mat after a
frustrating Week one loss.

Speaker 6 (23:04):
Third and three, Mahomes and the Chiefs at the Jaguar
nine seven to six Kansas City eleven forty two to
go third quarter, single back McKinnon in front of Mahomes
this time snapped back to Mahomes rules to his right side,
now throws.

Speaker 13 (23:17):
It for Kelsey wide opening the end zone.

Speaker 6 (23:19):
Touchdown Kansas City. The forty seventh time that Patrick Mahomes
has found Travis Kelsey in the sweet nectar the end zone.
That's an old time Kansas City Chiefs record quarterback to
a pass catcher Kelsey's back.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Bench Holdnis wdaf Kelsey caught that touchdwn pass. It was
to go ahead and eventually game decide and score for
the Chiefs, who don't really surge again for the second
street wake on offense, but it was enough to take
care of the Jacksonville Jaguar seventeen to nine in the

(24:00):
rematch of the AFC Divisional playoffs last week. Boys, this game,
I kept on waiting for it to achieve liftoff. Did
it never really happened and Kansas City had three early
turnovers in this game and the Jaguars had multiple opportunities
on offense, including a first, first and goal situation where

(24:22):
they couldn't punch it in, and in the end, it
was one of those games where both head coaches are saying, man,
I wish we would have played better, but one side
gets to go home with the win, and it was
the visitors from Kansas City.

Speaker 4 (24:34):
These Trevor Lawrence passes into the back of the end
zone where Zay Jones like, you know, if you're half
an inch two inches different in a different position, it's
a touchdown. I think another one to Calvin Ridley's similar
situations like this game came down to those plays. I
thought for Jacksonville because I'm watching a Chiefs offense that
is still waiting to get on track. It's nice to

(24:56):
see sky Moore show up a little bit more. He
played a ton of snaps las week and had zero production.
Kadarius Tony caught all five targets. I guess that's a positive.
Kelsey caught just four of nine, and he seems so
steam during this game. They kept cutting a hint, just
like freaking.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Out on the flow.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
It should be said that everyone was steaming, because I
believe it was around one hundred degrees kick off, saying
more temperament right.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Well, which could also lead to temperamate changes you.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
Want to Tokyo, it.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Can really lead you to be more amped up and
deal with frustrating. It's happened to us number our Draft
live show. I mean, yeah, a lot of frustration on
both sides of the ball. I want to point out
also that the Chiefs, in addition to the three turnovers,
had a ton of penalties in this game, twelve penalties
for ninety four yards and a lot of players cramping

(25:47):
on the field.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
I kind of hate that.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Like you know, I grew up in the Northeast, Like
football to me is the leaves falling and some crisp
Christmas in the air.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
Also a week two that feels like it makes it
even tougher.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
I think that.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
I think the weather and the element absolutely played it
played it effect in these offenses struggling, and yeah, the
Laurens side and the near misses, that's that's frustrating. On
the positive side for one of the teams here, Chris
Jones came back and had an immediate impact in this game,
so you have you have him in the mix now.

(26:18):
On the negative, side. For the Chiefs, you have Juwan Taylor,
who started his career with the Jaguars. His homecoming was terrible.
He was penalized five times bench t verse series, flagged
twice for fall wow, once for an illegal formation, and
twice for holding. So it's just it's just not even there.
The whole game was a little bit like man like a.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
Tough spot for the number one overall picking our draft.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Yeah, zeusters, I was I was waiting for this game
to take off.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
It just couldn't couldn't get it.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
And even Iron Eagle, the normally dependable Iron Eagle, after
the Kelsey touchdown, he is quote Kelsey finds a blank
space for the score, referring to the Taylor Swiss. And
I'm just like, at this point, it's already. I know
there's a relations and ship versioning here. Go deeper in
the catalog for me.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
I don't if you want to impress me, ah, go
a little deeper.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
Than you want to. You want people to get the joke.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
No, you don't. You want to go so deep that
only the real ones get. No, that's my take.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
I don't know if Iron Eagle would.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Be the bad beat by Eagle. He's a swifty pot.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
He does well, he does very well.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah, exactly, And if Kelsey's knee is still bothering him,
you wouldn't know because he punted the ball into the
end from the end zone in celebration. He but only
four catches on nine targets or twenty six yards.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
So missed opportunity.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
Is watching Chiefs games now, Sorry, Gregley.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
I haven't really done the necessary deep dive if this
is even a real thing.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
Okay, So I don't know.

Speaker 5 (27:40):
I don't think anyone really knows. Even Jason Kelsey was
asked about it and he was not going to be talking.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
It's a missed opportunity.

Speaker 5 (27:46):
Jaguars could have put the Chiefs head oz in two,
could have had a tie breaker, could have been two
games up on the Chiefs, and held the Chiefs to
seventeen points. It's only seven times in the Mahomes era
that they've scored seventeen points or less.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
And you don't even get a touchdown. You're an offensive team.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
It's a good ball, and it's in your building, and
you circled it as a revenge game after the playoffs,
and you have the Chiefs still finding themselves This is
when you want to get to catch the Chiefs and
you didn't. So yeah, not a good performance by the Jaguars,
who only had two hundred and seventy one total yards
in the game. All right, let's take a break and
then we'll welcome in our weekly guest. All right, welcome back.

(28:27):
We keep on rolling now and it's time for the
Sunday Drive presented by the first ever Toyota Grand Highlander.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
Pat mccards.

Speaker 14 (28:37):
Edwards to the backfield, Lamar Jackson under center, third down
and three or third down and ball game.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Give us to Edwards up the middle.

Speaker 4 (28:46):
He's got a hole, he's got a first down.

Speaker 10 (28:48):
I'm with one ten left of playing Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
He's in the barn. There it is, and the Ravens.

Speaker 10 (28:54):
Will pick up win number two in the twenty twenty
three season. I think this isn't Eddy Bingals fans the
hazes in the barn and they are going to find
their horses.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
John Harbaugh was pumped on the sideline.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Wow, Wow, Rod Woodson, and they are going find their horses.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Jerry Sandusky and Woodson with a call Ravens Radio. Yes,
the big first down conversion by Gus Edwards and Lamar
Jackson again looking like the MVP the Ravens need him
to be this season. He threw two touchdown passes, repeatedly
extended drives with his legs, and Baltimore topped the still

(29:34):
slumbering Bengals twenty seven to twenty four.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
Let's now welcome in.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
The great Nick Shook, who looks like a man that's
as pumped up as John Harbaugh was on the sideline
after that first down.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
There it is.

Speaker 15 (29:47):
I'm still trying to find my horse. Where is it?
What kind of thoroughbread do I have? Is it an Arabian?
Get a quarter horse?

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Horses?

Speaker 5 (29:54):
Apple Loosa in Rod Woodson like the head coach in
one of those spring weeks year.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
I guess they're still doing that. Yeah, still doing Okay?
What do you got, Nick? What were your thought? Let's
start with Lamar who did not look very good in
Week one. The offense was a little sleepy for Baltimore.
But this was much more like it, wasn't it?

Speaker 1 (30:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (30:14):
He looked better this week. This offense is starting to
find its footing with him because you know, new offensive coordinator,
new system and everything else. He had a couple of
really nice passes downfield. He also had a couple of misses,
but what I like most about him was that he
was able to continue to extend drives, especially in key moments,
and when he lost guys like Odell Beckham who exited
the game, he went to Devin Duvernet. Well, he tried

(30:35):
to go to Devin Dubernet, didn't actual complete a pass,
but he did go to Nelson Agalor a lot. He
actually ended up leading them in receipt in receptions with five.
Spread it around. The offense moved well, the run game
was balanced among their running backs. It just looked like
an offense that's taking that next step under a new coordinator,
and it was really nice to see. But conversely, the
team they were playing, it took them six quarters the

(30:57):
seventh quarter of the season to finally score touchdowns, so
they were operating with a bit of an advantage in
this game. But I was more impressed by the Ravens
and Lamar Jackson this week certainly than I was last week.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
Yeah, they're zero and two again. The Bengals. We were
here a year ago, but a year ago they had
five more points per game at this point, nearly one
hundred more yards per game, they were far better on
third down. Joe Burrow is averaging point five to six
Fantasy points on vertical passes. Like I guess it's just like, Oh,
they're the Bengals, just like the Bills and the Chiefs.

(31:26):
They're a little funky right now, but they're gonna get
right or is there real concern here? Are they even
like the where would you rank him in the AFC North.

Speaker 15 (31:34):
Oh Man, Well, considering we haven't seen the Steelers in
Brown's play this week yet, they're third, if not fourth.
It's the offense just has not gotten out of first gear.
And you could tell in the second half of this game,
really the end of the first half and going to
the second half that Zach Taylor realized, Look, I got
to like start from the first step, from the ground

(31:56):
level here. We're rebuilding this entire offense right now because
we cannot do what we did well in the last
week years. So we're just gonna dink and dunk. We're
gonna get Joe Burrow into a rhythm, connect with some
guys underneath, run some deep digs just beyond the sticks,
and then maybe we can open it up. They never
really opened it up because it was never there, and
they just don't look comfortable as an offense and as
a whole. I mean, fans are booing them in the
first half of this game Sunday because at one point

(32:18):
they had zero first downs, they'd run twelve plays, they
were I think time of possession was four minutes early
in the second quarter. Their only offensive touchdown prior to
the second half was a punt return touch that was
our first touchdown of year as a punt return. Kearlie
Jones shut up perdue. So not not a good situation
for them right now. They did get a little bit better.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
They got better and t Higgins got on the board
with two touchdowns, so that's a start after getting shout
out yesterday. But to me, the biggest storyline coming out
of the game for the Bengals, even beyond the final score,
is that Burrow limps off the field after their last
possession with aggravated the same calf injury that took out
his training camp.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
And now we're in the middle of it. We're we're
in the middle of the season.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Now we're they're gonna be entering week three zero and two,
and Burrow's saying if they would have had a chance
to get back on the field.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
I would have been out there.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
But this is a really big concern shook and we
just saw a superstar quarterback below his achilles in week one.
Like the fact that Burrow is dealing with a calf
and going to try to play through it, it just
gets you nervous.

Speaker 15 (33:16):
Yeah, and Rogers had a lot more time to heal
from that calf injury than Burrow got. So it is
without a doubt concerning and it's calves are kind of
I'm not a doctor, but calves are kind of like hamstrings,
and that they can be nagging and that they can
be an issue throughout the season. If he's limping in
week two, I'm not feeling great about that right now.
And if that's part of what's wrong with this offense,
then that kind of makes sense because they have too

(33:36):
much talent to be operating this way. I do, though,
feel a lot better about where they're headed based on
what they played, how they played in the second half.
Then I wasn't halftime today. But if this is injury's
gonna be a consistent problem, then you have to lower
your expectations for this team as a whole.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
Why he was in one of those theory guns on
his calf there on the sideline.

Speaker 15 (33:53):
Yeah, kind of waiting it up there.

Speaker 5 (33:55):
I think his mobility was an issue last week, but
you know, the rain maybe is part of that. I'll
be anxious to watch it here because he's a different
player if he can't move. I mean, he he's a
guy who wants to get rid of the ball quickly.
But his superpower is he's so good at that. Plus
he can extend and make the players when he needs to.
What fascinating me, And tell me if you can just
see anything different here, shok is that Lamar got rid

(34:19):
of the ball in two point six seconds so far,
a career low through two games where he's getting the
ball out faster. And I think it's telling that Agilar
was like their fourth or fifth receiver, and then he
comes in and is solid enough like in the previous
years he would have been the first receiver.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
It just from the beginning.

Speaker 5 (34:35):
So they actually have guys that can come in that
that are okay when they inevitably suffer Odell Beckham or
their receiver injuries.

Speaker 15 (34:42):
Yeah, that's what I really like about this offense is
they have surprising depth of receivers so much that when
DeAndre Hopkins became available in the offseason and people try
to pair him at the Ravens, I'm like, look at
their death chart. They've got a lot of guys there already.
I think it's a little crowded, and that crowded room
benefited them today. But you know what really worked more
than anything, Greg, was you talking about quick passes. It
was everything over the middle. It was just crossers, underneath stuff.
Just you wun't talk about getting somebody into a rhythm.

(35:03):
That was Lamar Jackson. He was finding different guys over
the middle of all game. He took some shots, but
it wasn't super prevalent. He didn't even have to extend
the play all that much, except in some key moments
where he had to scramble away from the rush to
pick up a first down. So I really like the
rhythm they got into, and I think that they can
be a better passing offense than they've been into Lamar
Jackson arrow. I'm not saying that's a five thousand yard
season for him, but it offers more potential than we've

(35:26):
seen from them to this point in his career.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
And let me just throw it out there Odell Beckham, Yes,
as we mentioned, did go out with an ankle.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
It's not believed to be serious.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
But again, he's a guy that's missed a lot of
time in the last couple of years and it's something
to watch. And Burrow said he'd have to see how
his CAF feels over the next two days before knowing
whether it will affect his availability. Yikes. That was the
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Speaker 1 (35:53):
Let's head to Mile High with shookey.

Speaker 16 (35:56):
Now Washee, you could still win the game right here,
time o'clock. The Pros have to convert a two point
conversion to send it to overtime drama.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Sessler a fifty yard touchdown. Let's go. Maybe it will
end differently than when I watched the.

Speaker 17 (36:13):
Snack play action steps up, throws towards the towards Cornland Sutton.

Speaker 18 (36:18):
Incomplete the Flags game over Washington.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
Wait thirty three should have been pleased.

Speaker 5 (36:28):
Oh yeah, this was ald one.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Well, the game itself, it's I trust our producer implicitly,
but it's it's about the team.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Did the team have the moment they needed.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
We're about to talk about it, Rad Weinstein, London Fletcher
Wbig with the call Sessler's not about it. Russell Wilson
connected on a Hail Mary touchdown to Brandon Johnson's time
ran out. But that two point conversion type you just
heard incomplete the crushing end for Denver and a heart
stopping thirty five thirty three win for the Commanders at
Mile High shook. I ask you as a fan, okay,

(37:07):
and I know you're gonna be oh brownsed out tomorrow
Monday night.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
I'm so bitter becaus my Monday night. What is wrong
with you?

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Put yourself in the shoes of Broncos Nation. Would you
rather convert that Hill Mary and then miss the two
pointer with a missed DPI to boot brutal or never
see it get to that moment at all?

Speaker 1 (37:28):
As a fan? What would you rather have there?

Speaker 15 (37:30):
Never see it get to that name? And I can
totally with you, of course.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (37:33):
The first example, since you you know you're gonna paint
me to that Browns corner. I was at Browns Ravens
twenty fifteen Monday Night football when they had their game
winning field goal attempt returned for a touchdown.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Ouchers, I remember that one.

Speaker 15 (37:46):
I've been there.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Yeah, toughy, tough sitch your thoughts on this game. So yeah,
the the the Broncos getting it to that point was
a miracle because this is a game after a quick
start for Denver, Washington had total control of before or
when Mayhem trying to like break down like this game
because it was kind of all over the place.

Speaker 15 (38:06):
Okay, So Russell Wilson and Sean Payton discovered that they
could hit the deep ball, and Marvin Mims was their
guy in this game. Sixty yard touchdown pass, just a majestic,
beautiful throw, and I'm like, Russell Wilson's unlocked. They can't
go deep. Everything's great. They fell in love with that
deep ball. They were up twenty one to three, and
it felt like Russell got a taste of just what

(38:27):
is so delicious in scoring big play touchdowns and being
the star and forgot how to operate the offense in
the intermedia in short levels because also this processing slowed down.
He didn't look like the market. This is not the
defense that you necessarily want to try and take a
million shots on because their front is so good, Like
you have to give Washington a ton of credit two
games in a row where they've done a great job

(38:48):
up front, But I mean Russell Wilson was a different
quarterback from half one to half two, and really quarter one,
early quarter two into half two. They blew it, straight
up blew this opportunity in my opinion, because of the
way their offense just ground to a halt in the
second half, and then they struggle in the red zone
prior to that final possession which they hit that hail
Mary and had to settle for three. I'm seeing shades

(39:08):
and Nathaniel Hackett. And then finally on the two point conversion,
you know what Russell Wilson did. He misses a crossing
Jerry Judy open on the left side of the field,
just like he missed a crossing kJ Handler in that
game against the Colts in prime.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Nathaniel Hackett, thanks, nice to see you out here.

Speaker 15 (39:23):
I not nice to see this offense.

Speaker 5 (39:25):
I'm defending the honor of the bongos here. If you
give a game where one team is up twenty one
to three, where Russell Wilson has multiple bombs, including one
of the wildest hail mary's we've ever seen, I mean
that thing was a rain maker, got batted up by
like three or four different players, then goes in uh
and then you lose on the two point conversion after

(39:48):
you made an eleven point come back in the last
five minutes and Sean Payton's zero and two at home
and in Denver. That feels bongo worthy. That's just like bonkers.
That's what bongos are all about. Ever, I would never
doubt that emailed them.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
I'm not openly doubted them. I could just I know
what kind of games I like where the bongos come out.

Speaker 15 (40:06):
In my opinion, I have an argument against this. Most
of those comebacks that you just described are explosive. There
are tons of fireworks. It's thrilling. This moved at a
glacial pace. It was dreadful the last six minutes. The
anxiety was just building, the dread that the Broncos fans
were gonna have to go home and process the fact
that they watched their team blow in eighteen point lead.
It was there, it was I could feel it through

(40:27):
the TV. And then all of a sudden hail Mary
where everybody's like, let's just leave, let's just get this
over with. Oh my god, he caught it, well, they're
probably not going to get the two. And then they
didn't get the two.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
And the look on Sean Payton's face set a lot
to me throughout the second half of this game. It
just like it was like how many lemons can you ingest?
I would say though, flip side like Washington because the
career of Eric Beeenemy in Kansas City, it's like whatever
they achieved, it's like, well, it wasn't really you, it's
Andy Reid. Like this Washington offense with a quarterback that
was completely untested coming into the season. This was a

(40:58):
pretty great performance by Eric enemy.

Speaker 15 (41:01):
Yeah, very solid balance between the run and the past.
Brian Robinson had a very great day. And you know what, guys,
I owe Sam Allen Ron Rivera an apology because as
you guys probably remember, maybe not, you do a lot
of shows. You probably know we don't. We once to
did a segment what has you shook? And I was
shook about the fact that he was gonna roll with
Sam Howe. I see why, now I see it. I
am sold. I love the way this kid battles. He's

(41:22):
a gamer, he's decisive, he's got Yeah, so there's the
bongo juice right there. If that's a thing, that.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Was disgusting, but it's a thing now you've said it,
so now it's out there.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
Russ was holding on to the ball for a while.

Speaker 5 (41:36):
And I hate to put this too much on the
offense because the Broncos defense has really been a problem
in both of these games. I know the score wasn't
high last week, but per drive, the Raiders put it
to them and they were the problem here. But Russ
did get hit fourteen times, seven sacks, four times that
the Commanders got their hands on the ball. In terms
of past defense passes deflected rather and so that's too much.

(42:00):
You know a lot of teams. We got Young and
Sweaty back. It's back Dan Chase Young is a thing.
Montes sweat is definitely a thing.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
They converged.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
There's a great moment and Washington fans have been waiting
for this and we're expecting a lot more of it.
Quite frankly, in the last couple of years where on
that penultimate drive for Denver flamed out and ended with
a field goal. Young and Sweaty meet at Russell Wilson
and there was a great shot by Fox of Young
and sweaty like screaming at each other in excitement after

(42:28):
the sack. As you see Russell Wilson in the background
kind of pill himself off the turf and walk away.
And it's like, that's what the Washington commanders need for
this defense to be special. Those two guys in concert.
Now here's the ultimate test mark. And I said, I
set it up this way shook. As we say goodbye,
Broncos fans, I'm going to play you the Denver radio

(42:50):
call of the Hail Mary from Dave Logan and Rick
Lewis KOA. If you don't want to hear it, because
you wish in reality it never happened, you're gonna need
to fast forward. What about thirty to forty five seconds? Eric, Yes,
hit the fast forward button three times to be safe
if you don't want to hear this, because I understand
it can be triggering.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Here it comes three.

Speaker 19 (43:12):
Seconds to go from the fifty down eight trying to
get a free snap.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Commanders don't jump off, they rush four.

Speaker 19 (43:20):
Rust on the pocket now bounces around.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
The ball, deflected, touched defer friend to Johnson, Oh.

Speaker 13 (43:34):
My lord, good googa moga.

Speaker 15 (43:49):
Was worth deflected it ap.

Speaker 5 (43:52):
To three and it was a great catch by Johnson
to himself, to himself.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
Wow, that's a shame. It's a shame. You gotta you
lose a game with that.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Good Google Muga. Indeed, Chooky, thank you, buddy.

Speaker 15 (44:07):
I'm getting that printed on my wall in my house.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Playa bongo juice, Google Muga.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
What a sag?

Speaker 2 (44:16):
All right, Choky, till next week. Let's keep on moving
on to Nashville.

Speaker 20 (44:21):
The AAF got him back into the NFL, and now he's.

Speaker 14 (44:27):
Going for his thirteenth time game winning kick.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
It was the XFL right way lost this job.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
He talks to Snake House to hold and a kick.

Speaker 6 (44:41):
Yes, Ma, yes, yes, yes, a redemption of Ryan Tannehill.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
On a Sunday. It started Sonny ended with rain I
love it. I gotta know Mark what he's upset about.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
It is a huge moment for a Titans team that
looked dead.

Speaker 5 (45:03):
We can oh, there was a fifteen I saw it,
so he was seventeen seconds away from kicking it.

Speaker 4 (45:08):
So we're having a casual XFL career history chat in
the middle of the game call.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
But he hadn't end and kicked it yet. We were
waiting for the kick, so I cut it a little short.

Speaker 18 (45:17):
He actually brings up that he was selling real estate
last year too before that, So there you go.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Don't tell Mark that you've got to be even more mad.

Speaker 4 (45:25):
It's not a personal issue with the person you're discussing.
It's just like, you know, the showmanship nature of like
talking over the game call.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Sorry Dad, Mike Keith with the call wgf X. Would
this have anything to do with the lock of this game?

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Mark?

Speaker 4 (45:40):
Perhaps I have something to say about that.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Nick Foll kicked the forty one yard field all and
overtime in a downpour that broke out at at the
wrong time.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Titans fans like mott owen, what are we doing over here? God?

Speaker 2 (45:50):
And the Titans beat the Chargers twenty seven to twenty four, Markie,
The Titans got a three and out to start overtime,
then drove for the game winner. Was very nice, especially
after a week one's brutal disappointment. And yes, Tannehill having
a big bounce back is a part of that.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
It is you know you mentioned Dan and I didn't
really agree with your Herbert comments in terms of like
who he is and who I think he is, but
you are right about the fact that we're kind of
missing large justin Herbert moments. This We're not that deep
into his career, but like it's hard to find them,

(46:27):
and you have to point to like, oh, maybe it's
a Peyton Manning thing where these playoff wins and all
this other stuff's canna happen. Like when they went to overtime,
this was he can He directed a field goal drive
at the end that tied it and put it in overtime.
They get the ball first, and it's like a great,
a great chance to erase what happened a week ago
where where the pass rush against the Dolphins snuffed him

(46:49):
out and it wasn't all Herbert's fault, but the whole
thing fell apart. It's like, how about the whole entire team? Chargers,
Like this is a team that's a good Titans defense,
but you have no business going on too with the
roster you have. You're in overtime, you get the ball,
You're justin Herbert. Three straight in completions. They looked totally lost,
and they made some big plays on offense in this game.

(47:09):
But it's like, then you hand the ball over to
Ryan Tannehill, who a week ago looked like maybe the
career was over, and Tannehill flamed this Brandon Staley defense
for a number of big passes today and looked different
than a week ago. He's like twenty for twenty four
efficient playing behind a bad offensive line, You're not getting
the same exact performance from Derreck Henry in the past.

(47:31):
But Ryan Tannehill in overtime makes enough plays to go
down and you're right that rain started to come thundering down.
It was like kick this thing as quick as you can,
or wait until it ends, because it's like the rain
was going to impact this kick. But they go get
it done. And it's like who would have put their
money on the concept that it would be Ryan Tannehill,

(47:51):
not justin Herbert, to get it done in overtime. And
so as I was driving to work today, I was
listening to this like preview show on the radio, and
this one guy's like he was a from Vegas, one
of these people, and he's like.

Speaker 5 (48:01):
I love that you you always love like the deep
on the AM dial. Oh yeah, Vegas shows where they
get If I got one for you now, I'll give
you this one for free.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
But if you want my super duper lock.

Speaker 4 (48:13):
Of the week, you gotta call this, but you know
what he said, he's the he and it kind of
it kind of like it got in my head and
then I got to work and you're trying to like
forgot about it. He's like, I would never in my
life touch the Chargers on any type of anything. And
I was like, wait a minute, I just locked this team,
and it's like, of course they're going to go into
Tennessee and win, Like how can they? How can this
team come out?

Speaker 15 (48:33):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (48:33):
And two I came out of this game being like,
I will literally, for as long as I do this show,
never touch the Los Angeles Chargers in a lock ever again,
Well what a disaster.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Let me let me just say this because I think
it did get Perhaps we gotta remember someone remember this.
It gets easily misconstrued when the three of us are
just you know, babbling on and having honk attacks. But
on Thursday show, I was not saying I don't believe

(49:06):
in Justin Herbert or that he's not a great quarterback.
I was simply saying that sometimes I need Justin Herbert
to like, you know, just turn into Superman that we
talk about him as.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
And it just so happens the way it worked out.
Is this game?

Speaker 2 (49:19):
It perfectly was set up where they're down three points
late in this game. And yes, like, obviously you give
Herbert credit for marching a team into field goal range
and getting that game to overtime, but I do have
to I'm gonna pick some knits here and say it's
first and ten at the Tennessee fourteen yard line in
at the end of the fourth quarter, like, finish that

(49:40):
drive off. Absolutely win the damn game. And then you
win the coin toss, and again Herbert like, your team
needs this. That was a bad, bad week one. And
it's not just the quarterback. It's it's the blocking scheme.
The receivers have to make the right reads and make plays.
Three plays zero yards punted away and you lose. And
it's just like, I know, Chargers ends might get mad
at those any Herbert takes that they are like, well,

(50:01):
maybe he's not as good as all the people say.
But then a game like this happens and you look
at the box score and you look at the actual
the way the game played out, and it's like you
just want a little bit more. And that separates the
five hundred teams from the true contenders and right now
the Chargers are a winless team.

Speaker 5 (50:18):
I think it's just somewhat reductive because I think he's
had those moments. He's among the league leaders, and fourth
quarter comebacks, game with you know, game winning drives since
he's come into the league. We can think of ones
where he did it, and then you can always do
that like today's perfect you have Derek.

Speaker 4 (50:31):
Carr led that stat for a long right right.

Speaker 5 (50:34):
My point though, is that his his coach, is in
the crosshairs more than anything, more than their offense, more
in there in certainly their defense, and and just seems
like who is Brandon Staley? Like there's a point in
the first half where he punts on fourth and one
in Titan's territory. I know the end it ended up

(50:54):
working out well. They had a coffin you know, kicked
them quarter kicked them whatever, and he ended up getting
the ball back in score.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
It worked out well. But it's also just like who
is Brandon Staley?

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Here is Brandon Staley who was not happy when a
reporter referenced how their season ended last year. Of course
the twenty seven to nothing playoff meltdown.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
Oo, hear is Staley?

Speaker 9 (51:13):
A lot of people who sort of wonder whether that
Jacksonville lost food.

Speaker 21 (51:17):
I'm not worried about the jacksonvillete That Jacksonville loss hasn't
carried on to the season whatsoever. If you've seen our
training camp or you've seen the way we've played in
the first two games, it hasn't had an impact on
our team whatsoever. Our team is connected. Our team has
played its hard out in two games, and we've lost
two tough games, but has nothing to do with the
Jacksonville game. And if you ask anyone in our locker room,
it has nothing to do with the Jacksonville game. And

(51:37):
that's just the truth. It's a convenience storyline for you
and for everybody else, but it's not the truth. We've
lost two tough games. But the guys in that locker room,
the men in that locker room, they are finishers and
they have what it takes, and we're excited to prove ourselves.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Staley shown a little personality and fight, so I do
want to hear more from him.

Speaker 21 (51:54):
Yeah, we just lost a game in overtime, Jeff. So
how do you think the mood is. How do you
think the mood is, How do you think it is
it's tough, it's tough. It's a tough, it's tough group
in there. There's a lot of pride in that room, Okay,
and we put a lot into this and we got
a good football team. And so we've lost two tough games.
We got to bounce back, learn from our mistakes, and
be ready for Minnesota.

Speaker 5 (52:13):
First of all, it's a clown question, Like it's such
a weak question that I don't mind him getting mad,
not because bringing it up, No, No, because he said
a lot of people are saying and that's a I
don't like that.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
It's a move.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
Any reporter that.

Speaker 5 (52:26):
Ever says that, that says a lot of people are
saying or people are saying this and then brings up
a tough question.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
Just you're a word you can't say on this show.

Speaker 5 (52:35):
You're you're just being a shallow weak person in that
spot when you're.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Just a little bit of there no shallow weak person.

Speaker 5 (52:43):
I think so, because if you're gonna have the if
you're gonna say that in a public spot, you stand
on it. You're getting on them for not you know,
being tough and standing out and you are like exhibiting
the worst sort of like secondhand I'm afraid to actually
say this, but I'm gonna put it on a lot
of people out there are saying it.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
You're there, just say it. It's fine.

Speaker 5 (53:04):
He'll respect you more for that too, Like it's not
that big of a deal. He's frustrated because, like the
NFL is brutal, it's a short season. These two Like
have they played better than the Commanders on balance in
their two games? Like, sure they have, but these games
come down to the end, especially when they're the Chargers,
and they usually end this way when they're the Chargers
and he's the coache.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
I know what you're saying. We've talked about this before.
I hate when reporters open a question that way. Say
that's what you're saying, Yeah, that's all. Now this is
where you could bring it up. I'll just to kind
of extend that a little bit. A lot of people
are saying that, not necessarily, that the end of last
season is somehow carried a hangover, Because if that's what
the reporter's question was exactly, I'm not sure what his

(53:43):
true angle was, then I disagree. But a larger idea
about the Chargers and an inability to ask them about
that that's a good question, Like there's a better way
to ask that question, and but overall there is it's
fair to wonder whether the Brandon Staly Chargers are ever
gonna figure it out or we're gonna just be in
this purgatory.

Speaker 4 (53:59):
For right why, like we let's just isolate what the
Brandon Staley Chargers are. He went on a long, you know,
explanation a season plus ago, saying like whatever came before
here is different. Now, it's not what we're gonna be.
And that's fine. I liked that he said that back then.
I liked that that's his mentality, and I think he's
a smart, ingenius coach. But that's not been the case.

(54:22):
The Chargers have been as chargery as any time before.
And I think the one thing that bothers me today
is that under Kellen Moore was like, we're gonna they
didn't have Austin Eckler, but Kelly is still a good
running back. You ran the ball for two point nine
yards per Carrie six one yards. Tennessee is a good
run front, one of the best in the league. But
you didn't find a way around that. And on that
was against the defense. Missing Christian Fulton missing Amar Hooker,

(54:45):
Amani Hooker. I just think if you are on the
flip side year three, Brandon Staley, like, what are you
on defense? Like you WoT the Titans awoke on offense
after looking very lost for six courts five plus quarters
with deep downfield by Bosa, woke up today. You did
get the rush going, but there is no identity to
this Chargers defense other than we're probably gonna collapse at

(55:07):
some point.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Give the Titans from some flowers, mark because I could
hear a grave digger getting upset.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
Well, he's right.

Speaker 5 (55:11):
This is such a classic Titans win versus the yeah Chargers.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
What did the Titans do here that they didn't do
last week against the Saints?

Speaker 4 (55:18):
Well, a number one, you got an efficient Ryan Tannehill
who wasn't destroyed. I mean he did in flick damage,
but he looked more like Ryan Tannehill. And you are
working with you know, Nick Westbrook, Aquina and like DeAndre Hopkins,
had a little bit more to do today, but they
got the their passing game made big plays when they
needed to. And I thought that you know your run
game made they converted it in key third down spots

(55:42):
and like the version of we got a Tannahill a
week ago. You're gonna go win four games all season.
This Tannahill is the guy we've been watching.

Speaker 5 (55:49):
Derek Henry owners in fantasy might have a little bit
of a Tije Bears problem.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
He's too good.

Speaker 5 (55:53):
You gotta keep them on the field, and he was
on midfield though. Yeah, it's great for them, it's great
for them. Let's head to your world.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
The four ball the left great Bob and the gun
back is on his left.

Speaker 17 (56:07):
Snap goes back looking to his left, looking looking checks
it down.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
We go.

Speaker 17 (56:11):
The one leans over the pylon touchdown, slip touchdown of
the year. Jake Ferguson was not happy with him.

Speaker 20 (56:25):
Shown we're gonna bleep out, did not catch the ball
and to show and we're we sell out on our
own took the ball when they want the company any
of these, we're part.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Of it, right.

Speaker 5 (56:38):
You could have watched that play on NFL Plus. But
we're not playing the sponsor on hell cowboys are.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
I'd love to drive a Toyota Highlander. I don't have one.
It's not like they gave them to us.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
But you don't get that that's an idea. Brad Sham
the sham god our friend with the call. Dak Prescott
threw two touchdown passes, which is better than Zach Wilson,
who threw three interceptions and his first start after Aaron
Rodgers season ending well question mark Achilles tendon injury, and
the Cowboys roll the Jets thirty to ten, and the

(57:15):
talked about on Thursday, this was a buzzsaw situation for
the Jets given where they are and the way the
Cowboys look right now, and it was that way. But
it's interesting watching this game how close it was to
almost being a real game. It was Cowboys who really
kind of bullied the Jets defense, which was a surprise.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
You didn't expect that, but that's what happened in this game.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
Up ten to nothing and the Jets offense doing less
than zero until Zach Wilson plants his back foot and
zips went into Garrett Wilson in man coverage and Garrett
Wilson does, which Garrett Wilson does sixty seven yards to
the house, and all of a sudden, it's ten to seven.
Dak Prescott then drops back on the next drive and
hangs one on the sideline. Sauce Gardner reads it perfectly

(58:02):
breaks on the ball, jumps, the receiver's route drops what
is a back pocket pick six. So you go from
potentially fourteen ten Jets and a whole new ball game
and Dak feeling that energy suck after all the turnovers
last year, to new life. The Cowboys turned that second
life into a touchdown helped on a very tick tech

(58:24):
roughing the passer call and third down in the red zone.
But it is what it is and they never look
back from that point onward and Boys Zach Wilson. A
lot of the storyline will be on the Jet side,
Zach Wilson's three interceptions, which I don't think is totally
fair for me. The storyline is more what the quarterback
of the Jets was facing, which was a Cowboys front

(58:45):
four and front seven led by Micah Parsons that looked
unstoppable for the second straight week. And it's always a
little bit different when it's your team playing player X
that everyone rave is about. But Parsons has been putting
on an on tape for years now. It was said
in this telecast, who was it? It was Romo and Nance.

(59:08):
Nance said that he thinks and he's called a lot
of Cowboys game. That was the best Micah Parsons game ever.
And he was a constant force and a nightmare for
the Jets.

Speaker 4 (59:16):
He had that strip of Dalvin Cook and he raced
to the house. Uh, you know, ruled down. Parsons was
ruled down, but it was still a strip like that
was like Defensive Player of the Year material, right, it
was like MVP.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
Stuff the game. It's just the way he played.

Speaker 5 (59:30):
More quarterback hits, three tackles for last two sacks, a
pass defense of forced fumble, and there.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Was and you and we're a little young, even Mark
is like a football fan in the mid eighties, you
weren't really, I'm sure all there yet, Like when they
talk about Lawrence Taylor.

Speaker 4 (59:44):
I watched a lot. I was all there. Like in
terms of Lawrence Taylor my television, Like every week LT,
you were a boy genius. No, no, you could you.
I would say that you could be a very dim
witted individual. And see that LT made a difference.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
He was on NFL Plus back then breaking down the altar.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
But Lawrence Seller when you watch those old clips on
NFL films, like the way the immediacy in which he
got to the quarterback and how we made offensive lines
looks silly. There's a on the first possession for the Jets.
It ends with a Parson sack where he literally is
in the backfield in less than two seconds and taking
out the quarterback, and that just set the tone for

(01:00:21):
the game. And like I said, if Sauce makes that
play and it goes the other way, you never know.
But overall, like this loss was not because Aaron Rodgers
in Malibu right now with his state of the art
surgery recuperation. It's because the Jets defense got its ass
handed to it to them by a Cowboys offense that
looks very good and a defense that looks otherworldly through

(01:00:45):
two weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Look out.

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
But I so I hear what you're saying. You can
just pin it all on Wilson or X, Y and Z.
But the uneven nature of this of this team right
now and both sides of the ball is what freaks
me out because we have to point to had this
one play happened, they would have had a chance. The
door would have still been slightly open. It's like you're
waiting for a very improbable thing to occur, and it's

(01:01:09):
typically gonna have to be the defense making some wizard
play or scoring. The Cowboys had the ball for forty
two minutes. Yes, the Cowboys had twenty six first downs,
the Jets had twelve. The Jets were one for ten
on third down, the Cowboys were nine for eighteen. The
Cowboys had three hundred and eighty two total yards. The
Jets had two hundred and fifteen. The Cowboys had eighty
three offensive plays, the Jets had forty six. That's a

(01:01:31):
non functioning offense. It has a lot to do with
the Cowboys defense, but I'm not sure it has a
lot to do with who they played next week either.
It's like, you have a real problem here. And my
concern is because it's such a likable, well coached team
that you're gonna get a locker room schism because the
defense is going to tire out and give up plays
after a while. When you're out there for forty plus minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
You gotta.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Run the ball.

Speaker 5 (01:01:54):
If you're there's too many things to overcome if you
don't have a running game and whatever Zach Wilson is
gonna give you as a passer, and certainly in this match,
their schedule stays brutal. I mean, it's not gonna say
this brutal the whole season. It's a tough, tougher match.
Tough matchup against the Patriots are not as tough as
as this. But it's a concern when the main storyline

(01:02:15):
coming out of the game is rich to me and
he's saying, like the support this, the moot and locker
room is really supportive. They came in there, Garrett Wilson's
got his arm around him, the teaser that titands are
there encouraging him. Wilson said, you know he's being encouraging.
We got your back. The team's got his back. It's like,
that's good. He's gonna They're gonna need to step up too.
But I I do think that almost any team playing
in Dallas right now is gonna run into this sort

(01:02:37):
of bus set.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Yeah, and you know I said it in the summer.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
It felt like a needless gambled by the Jets have
Wilson is the number two quarterback. But you but that
this is the reality, and because it was the Jets,
the absolute worst case scenario immediately presented itself. Ow Dak
look by the way, uh, I'll get to that in
one second. Like, but he is not going anywhere and
I'm like text threads that I'm getting I gotta bench him,
gotta you gotta put in the third string Cord. No,

(01:03:00):
Like they made their bed and now they have to
find a way to make it work. With Wilson, who
two of his interceptions were when the game was kind
of decided, I didn't think he played as badly as
the stat line looks. I'll let you guys decide on
the On the Dak side, great, Dak look great again.
He should have had a pick six hung on him,
but other than that, he kind of did whatever he wanted.
There were multiple times where the pass rush almost gets

(01:03:23):
home to Dak and he hangs in there and delivers
the pass. And even on a day where they try
to run the ball and the especially once they were
in control of the game, they run the ball forty
four times but average three yards a clip and rushing
Dak made enough big plays with Ceede Lamb who had
one hundred and forty three yards that they just cruise.
And I you know, if I'm the Eagles, and I
know the Eagles are the team to beat in the NFC,

(01:03:45):
A lot of people believe this.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
I shouldn't say that Greg will call me a weak.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
Willed I mean all I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
I know not a lot of people are saying it.
I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:04:00):
But the Cowboys also though, like that's a big spot,
like that's your fourth down decision that you're criticizing them,
or that's your big moment and you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
And you, I know where you're going from.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
The Cowboys and Niners to me, so far are the
two best teams in the league. Let's move on, let's
move on anything else.

Speaker 5 (01:04:19):
Just the NFC East hasn't lost the game yet outside
the division?

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
How many Homona Hamana seven.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
And oh, let's stick in the NFC East. Who this
will be a thirty four yard or from the right
hash kill in the hole, cried or the long snapper.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Big whispers, not gonna like that, lew eight. You know
it's anti whisper kick on its way twenty of length. Man,
it is good.

Speaker 17 (01:04:47):
Ram Cano hits from thirty four yards out and with
nineteen seconds to go in the game, the Giants lead.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
At thirty one twenty eight.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
O Bob Popo in the call w f An Grangano's
field goal in the final seconds. The difference for the
g Men, who wiped out a twenty one point second
half deficit and a thirty one twenty eight win over
the Cardinals in the Desert. Oh, Cardinals, if they're sitting

(01:05:18):
on own thirteen in a couple of months.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
You're gonna kick yourself about this one.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Really week one as well, or maybe they're not as bad,
doesn't matter, we'll get to it later. Daniel Jones accounted
for three touchdowns in the comeback, the Giant's largest.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
Since the nineteen fifty season Sizzler. It is indeed on
in New York's hip.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
I was like that, dude, Yeah, that's a nice little
like do what. No one asked her to sing it
that way. She did it on like do what? What's
your what may sit on? You're in, if you're if
you fine yourself in New York City, you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
Could do a lot of good follow up question what's on?

Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
It's a mysterious song. Uh like this stadium in Phoenix
or Glendale sounded like, uh New York City, it was
like sixty five. It's one of these stadiums where it's
like just suddenly sixty five percent of the visiting team. Sure,
I mean I Greg, I think I heard you say
that you Uh, there was a part of you, and
I know you're not the Giant's biggest fan of the planet.

(01:06:23):
That when they were getting cooked heavily by a Cardinals
team where like Josh Dobbs looked totally competent, They're making
big plays, James Connor was fired up and shredding this
Giant's defense. It looked completely lost. The offense looked loss.
That there was a party who kind of wanted to,
like had this holy anger to come on and just
tear the Giants a new one on the show I'm I'm, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
Dance on the trip to San Francisco on Thursday night,
you needed, I felt.

Speaker 4 (01:06:52):
Like you were more mad I was. I was furious
at them. It was just like because I think the
thing I thought that was consistent was like Brian table Obvio,
I thought he deserved Coach of the Year. He was
he he worked on so many different levels for me,
and like through six quarters, they just looked poorly coached.
There were all these terrible penalties. The offensive line couldn't
get out of their own way, like Daniel Jones looked

(01:07:14):
like one of the worst re signings UH of our
podcast run.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
Can I quote the Twitter? The Twitter echo chamber out there. Yeah,
doesn't like Daniel Jones. I saw a tweet that said,
just a reminder that the Giants only have one year
of guaranteed money left toward Daniel Jones. After this year,
the great like the shovels were out.

Speaker 4 (01:07:33):
Yeah, g men tonight and then it just it, this
just happens like it seems with these teams that start
this way, like it's the Giants just completely changed and
and everything started to come to life. It was a
lot to do with rookie Jalen Hyatt who caught uh
two big passes in this. Saquon Barkley got going, we
got Darren Waller involved, and it was like Daniel Jones

(01:07:55):
just looked like last year's Daryl Daniel Jones. And and
Saquan who left late with a did not like that
pretty nasty. Looked like a nasty ankle injury. Find out more.
And they played Thursday night, so that's against San Francisco.
So it's like it's it gets dark all over again.
But this was this was what you were hoping from
New York. And again it came against the Cardinals. Although

(01:08:18):
the Cardinals, honestly, I like this was a massive collapse.
There's no way around it. It is a disaster of
a loss for for Gannon and friends because it's like
this would have been a massive victory, and like I thought, Dobbs,
like compared to last week, made some big plays. He's
only been on this team for twenty five days. I'm
not saying he's considered he's done well. Yeah, I would
say that it's been or it's that's that I don't

(01:08:38):
think anyone understands how hard it is to suddenly have
to go do what he's had to do.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
He's a patch, he's a he's a placeholder. His thoughts
app well, what does that mean he's been sent to
be the fall guy?

Speaker 4 (01:08:55):
He wasn't playing fall guy today. And I honestly, like
we talked a little about James Connor, like he just
looks really good right now, and so I think the
Cardinals are not to be taken that lightly. It's just
that what happened today kind of is like where's the
team's mentality after something like this? This was a massive collapse.

Speaker 5 (01:09:11):
Yeah, it'll it'll test Jonathan Gainon as a head coach,
But that's such a massive victory for the Giants, Like
you have to manage the season. Yes, okay, it's not
gonna feel great if on Thursday night the forty nine
Ers win that game easily. But these seasons are so long.
We make these declarative statements early and they go like
they go back and forth and back and forth and banking.

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This one where you didn't just get embarrassed when it
was twenty to nothing at halftime, when it was twenty
eight to seven midway through the third and you get
that victory is just huge in every respect, and these
twenty point comebacks are like nothing now, Like we don't
even think twice that the Commanders came back from twenty
one to three and this one was twenty eight to seven,

(01:09:54):
and the Broncos came back eleven like halfway through the fourth.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
We just sort of like, oh, yeah, that's the NFL now,
because that is the NF.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
Only this is the Giant's biggest comeback in seventy three.

Speaker 18 (01:10:03):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
I mean, you're right, though.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
But it doesn't it used to be old.

Speaker 5 (01:10:07):
It doesn't feel like we're not leading the show with it,
like what a historic comeback.

Speaker 4 (01:10:11):
The thing I like about it though, is there was
no fluke element to it. It was second half drive chart, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
Oh oh, well you get the.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
Better team figuring it out basically, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:10:23):
You get Waller and Saquon, the two best players on
the offense, and Danielson's running the ball, like the three
things you were hoping to build your offense around rolling together.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
That's encouraging and mega premature for me to say that
Saquan's not playing Thursday. But you know these players in
the body language. Sometimes he's helped off the field badly, limping,
and then he throws his helmet down when he sits down.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
It had all the looks of a guy that just.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
Like you know, the the UH trainers, like, yeah, it
looks like it might be a high ankle. Yeah, like
throw the helmet down, because when you deal with an
angle spran like that, it's gonna cost you time and
maybe stick with you. I don't know if it's a
high but the way he reacted made you think it wasn't.

Speaker 4 (01:11:00):
A love Yeah, we saw him and I never liked this,
where like still in the ground, he just pounded the
turf and it's like he knows more than we know.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
Well, I hope he's okay. And Giants fans.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
I told you we weren't gonna do this until they
won a football game. And I don't know if you
win a football game for a while after this. The
schedule is pretty rough of the Giants too, and you
take a look at it. But you got this one,
so you get this one.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Look yall that's.

Speaker 5 (01:11:29):
Coming on at the end of that for up, Well,
he's had his heart ripped out by these Cardinals two weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
It's yeah, there's a silver lining, you know, at the
end of a long, painful road.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
Perhaps is there. I don't know. Let's head to so
far across the sidewalk.

Speaker 22 (01:11:43):
Thirty under center back pedals throws for deepot back in
the game. Jennings never made the block, but Tebo breaks
a tackle.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
Tebo checks it on the way out of the collar.

Speaker 8 (01:11:51):
There he is, touchdown, said Francesco.

Speaker 14 (01:12:01):
Wow, they're loud at Levi's sorry, that is so Fie
Freig Papa with the call knbr Deebo Samuel went over
one hundred yards from scrimmage, scored that touchdown, gave the
Niners breathing room and an eventual thirty twenty three.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
They got that extra three at the end.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
Yeah, we'll talk about that win over the rival Rams
at Sofi Stadium, which yes, was completely overrun by Red
Jerseys in that crowd.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
Greg brock Perty didn't have a touchdown pass in this game.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
I think it ended a streak of seven regular season
games with at least two But Sam Frank can beat you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
In so many ways.

Speaker 5 (01:12:37):
They can, and they just have players like Deebo that
can make individual plays to beat you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
Same thing with Fred Warner.

Speaker 5 (01:12:43):
But watching these two teams play, my biggest takeaway was like, Wow,
these teams teams seem close in a way that they
usually aren't when the Rams in the forty nine ers
play even better Rams team. This is a ninth straight
regular season win for the forty nine Ers over the Rams.
Of course, the NFC championship would have matter the most.
Rams got it done, but like yardage yards per play,

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the way the drives were going, it all felt very close.
The difference was the Rams offense stopped in the second
half when they had a couple misconnections where there was
a couple drops. One Stafford's a little late on a throw,
another a drop bounces in the air and turns into
an interception, and then the killer was uh Stafford's second interception,

(01:13:26):
which Mark Sanchez in the booth blamed on Van Jefferson
for kind of rounding off and fading on the route.
I don't know if I'm smart enough to totally blame
it on Van Jefferson, but I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
Eat you else Sessler would have been able to diagnose.

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
He would have.

Speaker 5 (01:13:40):
I can't say that whenever Matthew Stafford throws it to
basically anyone but Van Jefferson Pukuinakua to too. At well,
like great things happen, and he trusts those guys much
more than he trusts Van Jefferson through two weeks when
bad things happened. But beyond that, it's like, these two
teams look like division rivals that are both a little spicy,
that are fun and an evenly played game.

Speaker 4 (01:14:02):
Puka Nakua, by the way, twenty five catches in the
first two games is easily the most by any rookie.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Going back to that, that solves one problem for the Rams.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
They're like, who was our new number two receiver when
Cooper Cup hopefully gets back in a few weeks, You
got a nice one two punch.

Speaker 4 (01:14:19):
I would say that I was singing during this game
like I spent six months kind of unnecessarily totally discounting
the Rams as a concept, and like I'm totally wrong.
I know I'm not alone, but I'm doing the great
thing I'm saying. I thought that and couldn't have been
more far off. Watch I should never have spoken magnanimous, like.

Speaker 5 (01:14:39):
It's a long season, like things things could change negatively
for the Rams in theory, but I just don't see
it offensively. And I actually thought despite the score, Raheem
Morris called up a nice play and got more punts
than I would have expected. Now, this is a lot
of like giving of the flowers to the team that lost.
Let's give Kyle Sanan some credit because at the end
of the first half, I thought, the absolute key sequence

(01:15:00):
of the game is the Rams score to go up.
What was it seventeen ten at the time, and the
forty nine ers get the ball back with only one
forty five to go, They go down the field, they're aggressive,
they get a long pass interference called Purdy had a
pretty much perfect game, as Kyle Shannon pointed out, except
he missed two or three open deep shots.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
That wasn't one of them. That was a penalty.

Speaker 5 (01:15:22):
We missed two or three open deep shots, otherwise played great,
great movement decision making. All that Shanahan doesn't get touchdowns
on his first two tries basically from the one yard
line on throws they didn't have any time outs left
though they were thrown and I was like, you got
to just run it. Of course, the forty nine ers
can get one yard I don't care if you don't
have a timeout or not. You could run it on first, second,

(01:15:42):
or third. You're the freaking forty nine ers. And Kyle Shannan,
who's been so conservative over the years with his fourth
down decisions, went for a big one last week, went
for a big one this week.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
He got it.

Speaker 5 (01:15:52):
It was seventeen all, and I just thought that was
such a crucial moment because the Rams needed to get
every break possible. They couldn't lose this turnover battle two
to nothing and give up that touchdown.

Speaker 4 (01:16:02):
And I think this would have been over earlier though,
because You're party is just very consistent and you know,
totally believe in him. But like the two misses the
Juan Jennings on third and seven when it was tied
seventeen seventeen, and the deeper shot to Brandon Ayuk that
would have I think the game would have maybe just
been less dramatic and over earlier. Sure, those two incompletions been.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
Sure you could look at it both ways.

Speaker 5 (01:16:26):
Absolutely, But the Kyrin Williams, who looked great by the way,
cam Akers was benched for this game, why a like inactive.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
I can't do it anymore. I can't.

Speaker 4 (01:16:34):
It's this is not this.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
I have a note on that because I was watching
the beginning of this telecast.

Speaker 5 (01:16:40):
I think I think at this point though he's not
going to get his job back this year, I or
I don't know why he would. Kiraen Williams to me
looks like a nice ballplayer. This whole thing where I
heard what they said if you were you got a paraphrase.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
Yeah, it was the sideline reporter for the Rams.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
I apologize to her for not having her name, but
said that he was like adhering to the culture of
the Rams.

Speaker 5 (01:17:02):
Yes, in terms of a count, he wasn't he And
basically I think team attitude. I think he was upset
because Kyron Williams played way more than he did UH
a week ago, and that's the same reason why he
was upset last year, he wasn't getting touches.

Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
It kind of slipped under the raider.

Speaker 5 (01:17:20):
But Kyrian Williams was the essentially the starter a week ago,
even though he didn't start, and there was something to
that effect. But it's like maybe just maybe just give
up on him. But man, the things we thought that
were good about the Rams week one, it wasn't a
fluke to too out Well is actually more shocking to
me that he's a real dude making contested catches. This
little guy. I thought McVeigh was forcing him on the team.

(01:17:42):
It was like mcveigh's pick. Everyone said it Now like
thirteen catches one hundred and ninety six yards after two weeks.
Who's that to too out Well Well? That the lightest
player in the league, who did nothing through two years,
And everyone including myself was wrong saying like he's only
on this team because he's kind of fazed pet project.
And here he is in the third season on time open,

(01:18:05):
making really tough plays, like they have three receivers right
now when they get cut back and Van Jefferson's gonna
get the cam Akers treatment.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
I think to the point, well, you were saying too
Mark that it's like Sean McVay knows what he's doing,
so he's he's working through this. I get Nikua was
targeted twenty times. Yeah, like twenty targets. That seems a
little insane, but you know.

Speaker 4 (01:18:24):
Well, Williams have twenty eight catches in this game.

Speaker 5 (01:18:29):
I mean they were they were in deep catchup mode
for a while in the fourth quarter, so that was
part of it. But they were throwing, throwing early to
Brandon Ayuk got a little shaken up in this game.
That's something to watch. He played through it, but didn't
seem as effective. And I think McCaffrey's is gonna like
run for one hundred yards every single week.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
Stay healthy, kid, big journal energy here.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
Fox's Laura Akmen had that nugget on cam Akers not
adhering to the culture. It's a good night games. Let's
take a break and we'll continue on all right before
we dive into the next game. I think it's important,
Mark because it I think I know what angle you're going,

(01:19:08):
but I just what is this. It's just it's you know,
it's gonna be fun just to hear it. You said
you were because you had lost your lock. You locked
the chargers. Did you have something you wanted to share
beyond frustration with just locking the chargers? Was there any
any other comments you had? I can't remember if we
didn't get to it or not.

Speaker 4 (01:19:28):
No, I basically said I'll never touch the charge was
ever again for an okay? And I also have a
strong feeling that I'm about to rip off like twelve
to thirteen victories because this I was I maybe was
dealing in, like in a pond of apathy to some
degree about the lock things. It's just like, I don't know,
it seems so impossible to pick these games. And now

(01:19:48):
I'm irritated and I'm refocused on this.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
You sound like Aaron Rodgers saying, just doubt me. All
the prognostications, give them, give them to me. I want
them all. I welcome you to nice, I welcome us
to move forward with the show.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
Real quick, guys.

Speaker 18 (01:20:05):
Yes, I forgot to cycle in a loser horn earlier
in the segment during the Jets game, because if you
guys recall, oh, yeah, the West Bros went a.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
Little West Bros, I'd say, bro hit the horn.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
The Cincinnati Zoo too is on fire. Big Westling completely rogue,
and you know I love him for it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
Because it's my team.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
But he locked up the jets, which was it led
to some It got a little heated on the the
Westling Brothers.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
Text thread that we're on.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
Understandably, one of the brothers said to the other that
I wish that mother never conceived you.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
I mean it wasn't quite well.

Speaker 5 (01:20:45):
Phil said, just call it nicks picks, which seems fair. Yeah, brothers,
it's got a little you know, sizzle to it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
Next picks.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
But yes, I think I think Nick hit back hard
that that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
I wish you weren't born right something?

Speaker 5 (01:20:59):
He said that was the that was the conceit Well,
Phil said, locket. Any team of Zach Wilson is irresponsible.
Nick said your mom was irresponsible when she conceived you, which.

Speaker 3 (01:21:08):
Is funny because obviously it's his mom too.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
I think he wrote thanks, Well, yes we know, Greg,
but I'm saying like that is.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
I mean, you just don't usually hear your response to brothers.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
And you have to know the Westling brothers to love them.
To know them is to love them. His response to
his brother was thanks, bro.

Speaker 4 (01:21:26):
Yeah. I think the rest of the zoo have a
like a very viable, you know beef with Nick, who's
completely going on the rails to pick.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
That you don't know, I don't know how you know
how it all works, and we're gonna there's gonna be
an incredible theology podcast down the line, maybe our last podcast.
But if Chris hustling, if it works where you're in
the clouds and you just get to like watch what's
going on.

Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
First of all, scary thought, but.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
Second of all, he would be cackling his ass off
just reading that thread of just World War three.

Speaker 5 (01:22:02):
I think he is loving the Wesleyan Brothers being non
competitive for a fifth grade year.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
All right, let's move on.

Speaker 8 (01:22:10):
Trips right formation Digson Davis in a stack shack here
inside of him, knocks on the left side, Cook to
the left of Allen in the shotgun.

Speaker 4 (01:22:19):
Where's the snap?

Speaker 8 (01:22:20):
Has time gonna roll out to his right, Max Crossby
in pursuit back across the field, complete the gape Davis
for the touchdown fourth and gold, the jubior touchdown reception
I gave Davis in traffic.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
Mercy, mercy like that Chris Brown with the call Bill's radio.
The Josh Allen eulogies premature, I repeats Josh Allen death
notices not necessary at this team at this time. Following
a four turnover season opening dud via the Jets, Allen

(01:22:58):
got back.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
Josh Allen got.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
His groove back almost perfect and a thirty eight to
ten route of the Raiders in Orchard Park, perfect get
right opponent for the Bills and setting for Buffalo. I
counted boys just one capitol D capitol p dumb play
for Josh, and this one it was a scramble, I believe,

(01:23:23):
a second down scramble where he attempted to leap frog
the entire Las Vegas defensive line for a touchdown, but
he was at like the five yard line when he
attempted it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:36):
He did the same thing.

Speaker 5 (01:23:37):
I mean, if you want to check out our special
you know ex'es and know his breakdown of it on NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
Yeslus, I'm sure that'll get you excited.

Speaker 1 (01:23:45):
Yes, he did it again.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
He didn't fumble though, and he didn't fumble last time
either on that play, but no fumbles of any kind.
He played very well, completed his first thirteen attempts. Kind
of reined it in, but kind of how you would
want as a Bills fan to rein it in, where
he wasn't overly aggressive. He was or just insane like
he was at the Meadowlands, but also was still Josh Allen.

(01:24:09):
And that's his twenty first game of his career with
at least three touchdown passes. So Buffalo dominated this game.
They finished one hundred and eighty three yards rushing, even
though Allen just had seven himself.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
James Cooko, I think it's looked really good.

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
Looked great last week too, looked good against the Jets,
and looked excellent here. One hundred and twenty three rushing yards,
the most by a Bills running back since insert name
here had one fifty six in December twenty seventeen.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
Fred No, Fred Jackson, Lashawn McCoy. Oh, that was way past.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
And the Bills cruise. So nice win for Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
It didn't start great by the way the Raiders opening
kickoff go right down the field for a touchdown, but
the game changed pretty quickly after that, and I believe
the Bills ran close to fifty plays in Vegas territory.

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
In this game. Wow, that gives you an idea of Well.

Speaker 4 (01:25:05):
There's a couple of things that I that I love
about this That McDermott was very aggressive on offense and
went for a bunch of fourth downs and I think
four of them, and I think that Allen and crew
converted three. I like that the defense was nasty, and
the one thing that is just jumping out of me
is that if you are the Raiders and you're gonna
try to sneak wins here and there, you cannot have

(01:25:29):
Josh Jacobs running for negative two yards off nine carries.
Had Trey Tucker a wide out not bolted out around
the end for thirty four yards whatever that play was.
They ran the ball for twenty twenty one yards today
off of fourteen other attempts.

Speaker 3 (01:25:45):
Yeah, I get to that often struggles to run back.

Speaker 4 (01:25:48):
Like when they were effective last year, what was it?
It was Josh Jacobs. A couple of games where they
just hammered teams away. It's like, it's cool you held out.
I'm sure you were working out. I don't know what
you were doing. But it's like we have not gotten
the verse of Josh Jacobs that they were hoping for, and.

Speaker 5 (01:26:01):
Especially not the run blocking because they have the same
they have the same line back. I thought I was
actually too quick to be hard on Jacobs when I
rewatched that game last week. I thought he moved, while
he did catch five for fifty one this week, but yeah,
they're not going to exist unless they have a running game.

Speaker 3 (01:26:15):
And it's surprised.

Speaker 5 (01:26:16):
It was surprising when they brought back the exact same
offensive line, but they also played one of the best
teams in the NFL over the last three years, consistently
as angry I think as they possibly could be, and
played well.

Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
This was Yeah, remember four eight Get right game?

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
Remember fours Whittaker in Fast Times the Regiment High after
they jacked up his car, the rival high school. That's
going to be one of his earliest roles too, and
I get it, you know, poor standing up.

Speaker 3 (01:26:46):
That was before our time.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
To be fair, well, it was before our time, but
it was on TV a lot because it was a
classic of the genre.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
But that's beside the point.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
Whittaker was the star like he was like the Micaeh
Parsons of their high school. And then after the rival
high school jacks up his car, he just destroys the
team and that kills everybody on the team. That's what
I thought about the Bills in general. And Josh Jacobs, yes,
negative two yards in this game according to Elias first
time since the merger. That a defending rushing champion had
negative yardage in a game.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
That's not good.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
And I know he didn't jump out in week one,
but I would be curious like what the next gen
yards over expected or whatever they call it would be
for him there because there was nowhere to go. This
game was a mad, angry Super Bowl contender that was
getting right against an inferior opponent and you just saw that.

(01:27:36):
So I think that there will be better days for
the Raiders offense and this team, but they just I
think ran into a buzzsaw in Buffalo.

Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
Not surprise the Bill's defense did it.

Speaker 5 (01:27:45):
I think it's a great sign even with the competition
against the Raiders at the Bill's offense was that dominant
after that first three and out, Like they've either scored
a touchdown or reached the Vegas one on every single drive.

Speaker 3 (01:28:00):
Yeah, that's outrageous.

Speaker 5 (01:28:02):
That is pure domination until they ran out the clock
at the end of the game. That is pure domination.
And I'm curious what they're doing with Hunter Renfro, like
he never plays for them anymore. And I know he
didn't really more this yeah this week, but that he
feels like a tree.

Speaker 4 (01:28:14):
After like months of speculation that he'd be moved.

Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
Yeah. Max Crosby, by the way, was totally taken out
of this game. They missed the Raiders.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
Chandler Jones and we talked about that they have a
lot of stars the Raiders, but the depths not there
and you need some other people to step up.

Speaker 1 (01:28:30):
Although the only flying the ointment.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
That we were laughing at other people in our company
that picked against Tamar Hamlin to be Comeback Player of
the Year. So how could anyone even think to name
another person the man that we rely died on the field.
We laughed at you for being so foolish, not remembering
recent NFL history. Is a healthy scratch for the second
straight week. That could be the only way he doesn't

(01:28:52):
get it. Well, it's got to play. He's got to
be on the roster.

Speaker 4 (01:28:55):
There were whispers that like it was a tough thing,
but maybe because they were deep it safety that maybe
he doesn't make the team. But it's kind of like
you can't do that, So maybe it's sort of that
I think he's not He's not the top guy.

Speaker 5 (01:29:07):
If you look at the roster, it totally makes sense.
It's their deepest position. I would say the deepest safety
position in the league, and they probably weren't counting on
him initially when they were building it. But based on
the way he played last year as like a great
filling starter and a like a plus special team or
he'll play. He's just gonna need someone in front of him.
Just say put it out. Someone has to get hurt
and we.

Speaker 1 (01:29:28):
Need a couple of game day actives. That's all.

Speaker 4 (01:29:30):
That's a completely logical statement.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
Or maybe we don't.

Speaker 3 (01:29:33):
James Cook, he's gonna be the better Cook this year.

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
Maybe ye, maybe Matt Mulano by the way, again, still
another interception. He's just he does things in terms of
playmaking ability that not many other linebackers can do. Let's
move on. Let's head to our next location, which is Tampa.

Speaker 22 (01:29:56):
Bears an Orange. Don't give up the big play ball too.
Lo hers to the left. People well number two DJ
hole Fields takes the staff up of the God, looks
up to you, throws.

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
It all up. You picked off by Shack Parrot at
the water. He's in for a touchdown. Touchdown, tapaway nursed
the takeaway.

Speaker 6 (01:30:18):
Yeah, they tried to run.

Speaker 1 (01:30:20):
That screen again.

Speaker 7 (01:30:22):
Shack Parrett hung at the line of scrimmage and was able.

Speaker 3 (01:30:25):
To snatch it one handed, and I got.

Speaker 1 (01:30:27):
Some help from his buddies and pushed him in the
end zone.

Speaker 23 (01:30:32):
Jdeggar off wf us Shaq Barrett exclamation point on the
victory for the Bucks to take it twenty seven to seventeen.

Speaker 1 (01:30:46):
Over the troubled like a troubled team.

Speaker 2 (01:30:50):
Troubled Chicago Bears fall twenty seven to seventeen on a
day where Greg Baker again was cooking here and taking
advantage of a Bear's team that isn't really gonna stop
anybody right.

Speaker 3 (01:31:02):
Now, They're not.

Speaker 5 (01:31:03):
Baker was the more consistent, comfortable, don't say it, decisive,
Oh no quarterback in this game, making big time plays.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
I mean his life is yes.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
This is justin Fields year three. We can't be saying
that anymore? Well, are we saying that?

Speaker 4 (01:31:21):
Going off in the news month.

Speaker 5 (01:31:22):
I was really enjoying Baker Mayfield's performance because I can't
remember him playing so smart and composed a long time.
You got to give Dave Kanalis, who was with Gino
last year, some credit here, but to compare the two.
If Fields was on the Bucks, I kind of have
no real doubt that he would be outperforming Baker Mayfield.

(01:31:43):
I mean justin Fields for the most part didn't. He
was very He was up and down today, but they
don't know. They don't have a consistent running game that
they stuck with. The defense is a total shambles, and
like there's nothing that makes sense consistently on that. He's
getting it in his head that like, this is my game,

(01:32:03):
I'm not gonna run and we're not gonna call any
design runs. That doesn't make any sense either, and hes
stuck in the bucket. He made some really bad plays,
but that wasn't one of them. That was James Harrison
in the Super Bowl burning Kurt wardon. That was a
great play by Shaq Barrett, and the other interception came
on a contested catch when they were down ten.

Speaker 3 (01:32:19):
In the final drive.

Speaker 5 (01:32:20):
He had ups and downs, but the sad thing about
that was he was coming off by far his best
drive of the year, where he got them to within
three points, and then the Bucks got a little conservative
the next drive and then it was like here we go,
two plus minutes to go. Fields has to drive to
tie the game, and that's the first play and it
was just the air being let out of the balloon,
and it just feels like this Bears season is cursed.

Speaker 3 (01:32:39):
Two games in.

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
Twelfth consecutive a loss for the Bears dating back to
last season. It's a proud organization that's been around since
the very beginning.

Speaker 1 (01:32:47):
That's a franchise.

Speaker 3 (01:32:48):
Records what what what?

Speaker 1 (01:32:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:32:52):
I saw people comparing like the Baker Mayfield Mike Evans
chemistry to what Evans had with Johnny Manzel back in college.
But but I'd say this though, it's like it's certainly well,
it's like it's certainly better than what we saw with
Tom Brady, a kind.

Speaker 5 (01:33:08):
Of undersized quarterback who's like athletic but not quite an
NFL after.

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
But do you remember how frustrating, like we don't need
we don't need to do that, But how frustrating was
the Mike Evans tom Brady connection a year ago?

Speaker 1 (01:33:19):
Last year disjointed?

Speaker 4 (01:33:21):
I mean, I gotta get big or some credit because
two games in a row, like you're getting this. He's
such a variance factor, like you're getting the better version
of so it's like good coaching or like he's grown
mentally and not making some of the same decisions he
used to.

Speaker 5 (01:33:35):
I mean, it helps one hundred percent that he played
the Bears this week and who did they play in
the vikings a week ago? But yeah, despite that, he's
made he's played two pretty perfect games.

Speaker 3 (01:33:48):
This one was even better.

Speaker 5 (01:33:50):
Like he had a throw where he's rolling to his
left and throws it up to Evans's beautiful throw. The
long Evans play was an arm strength type of thing
that the ball got there so quick that they couldn't
react to it. Evans does look better this year. He's dinner,
he's he's moving great. He has six for one untrack
one and then there was one and this is where
he won't get her away with it every play, and

(01:34:11):
it was like the most Baker play of the game
where he throws it sidearm wall falling down like a
half inch of his knee above the ground and he
hits it to set up like a closer field goal.
That's not gonna happen every week. But he really is
playing smart.

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
And he's on a cler he's on a heater, and
that's what makes him fun to watch. When he's on
these I guess it's screaming to me, small sample size
and this is not going to continue all year. I'll
be the first one, I guarantee you guys to admit it.
If Baker's doing this a month from now, then I'll
be like, I'm shocked, But I need to see it
against other than the Vikings and today's opponents.

Speaker 5 (01:34:45):
I'm I've I think killed Baker more than anyone on
this podcast and not really been impressed with how he
plays football.

Speaker 3 (01:34:51):
I've just been pleasantly surprised.

Speaker 5 (01:34:53):
I'm with you, but it gives me hope that maybe
there's a medium here where he can be a little
closer to like where a Geno Smith was a year ago,
and give this Bucks team a chance.

Speaker 1 (01:35:02):
They are hang around of the division. If if he
could do that, they will.

Speaker 3 (01:35:05):
They are to tozer.

Speaker 5 (01:35:07):
And I do want to tell Rashad White, who we
really got on for his expected yards just compared to
replacement the Hooding seventeen for seventy three today. I haven't
looked at the numbers, but I think he ran quite well.

Speaker 4 (01:35:20):
I did well Bear's defense.

Speaker 1 (01:35:22):
But yes, you checked the yards over it.

Speaker 15 (01:35:24):
OK.

Speaker 5 (01:35:26):
I gotta say I did rewatch that game last week
with that with that in mind, and he did leave
a lot of yards on the field.

Speaker 3 (01:35:32):
There was a lot There was a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:35:33):
You were going to have like roaming mobs of criminal
children in Chicago if this continues like you there just
can't continue.

Speaker 5 (01:35:40):
Jakwan Brisker got hurt in this game. He was in
and out. Eddie Jackson got hurt in this game. He
was gone, so like a bad secondary lost more players,
so that that was bad.

Speaker 1 (01:35:48):
We don't need that. Chicago doesn't need roaming mobs of children.

Speaker 4 (01:35:52):
Criminal children, criminals, bad intentions towards anything labeled Chicago bear.

Speaker 1 (01:35:58):
Do you want to see up Todd ball?

Speaker 5 (01:36:01):
I would, because all these you guys laughing about Todd Bowles.
He still got Shaq Barrett, there, Levante David making plays.
Winfield had a great game, and then you have the
spirit of Todd Bowles getting the whole city at Tampa
excited after the game.

Speaker 1 (01:36:16):
Let's hear this.

Speaker 24 (01:36:17):
Stars played big. We did a good job holding the
ball keeping them out there. Obviously would like to be
better in the red zone, but the most part we
were operating running past. Game was pretty balanced that way.
We had a good time of possession. We just got
to punch him. Man got a field goal block. That's
not a good thing. It wasn't perfect. Start to jail
and win while we're yelling for us.

Speaker 3 (01:36:38):
Let's go Tampa, Let's go. I couldn't listen to that
for fifteen You.

Speaker 1 (01:36:42):
Could see them.

Speaker 4 (01:36:43):
What a rousing impath they have as head coach, Greg
Why did you do that to all of us?

Speaker 3 (01:36:47):
I think it was fun.

Speaker 5 (01:36:49):
He went for another fourth down today, by the way,
and he got it good new balls.

Speaker 2 (01:36:53):
That's just doing what other coaches should be doing. Let's
close things out with the trip Houston.

Speaker 1 (01:37:00):
It's a fumble recovery for Indianapolis.

Speaker 22 (01:37:03):
The call in the field was overturned, so the Colts
have a fumble recovery and they take over at the
Houston fifteen.

Speaker 4 (01:37:08):
Yard line, and running right.

Speaker 1 (01:37:10):
Side is Anthony Richardson. Fake the reverse, turns the corner.

Speaker 3 (01:37:14):
He's in touchdown.

Speaker 1 (01:37:15):
Touchdown.

Speaker 16 (01:37:17):
Indeed, why three rushing touchdowns in the first two games
for Anthony Richardson. He faked the reverse and then took
it off right side into the end zone from.

Speaker 1 (01:37:28):
Fifteen yards out.

Speaker 16 (01:37:29):
And the Colts have two touchdowns on their first two
drives of the game.

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
Kit or sweet there, Matt Taylor, good call, w f
n Y Anthony Richardson the rookie rush for two touchdowns. Fortunately,
On that play they believe or it's possible and quite
likely probable. When he gets knocked to the turf in
the end zone, he bangs the back of his helmet,
which leads to his inability to pass concussion protocol, so

(01:37:57):
he exits in the second quarter, does not come back.
Gardner Minshew through four hundred and seventy one yards and
a touchdown and relief, and the Colts coast to a
thirty one to twenty win over the Texans.

Speaker 1 (01:38:08):
That's the first victory for Shane.

Speaker 2 (01:38:11):
Steichen and I am in on the Colts early on
this season. I like what Stikeen's brought to this offense,
a lot of Henry in Philadelphia, although I thought they
looked better on Thursday Night. Overall about what Steiken's presence
or absence means there, but I certainly see a difference
with the Colts and the richardson side of it. Now
it is two games he's played electrifying plays in both games.

Speaker 1 (01:38:35):
Two games he's exited with an injury. So it's something
to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:38:38):
But overall, if you're a Colts fan, you're loving the
trajectory here because the team is compelling and watchable.

Speaker 4 (01:38:44):
Right now, they are but the one thing about Richardson
in general, it's like we don't have a simple size
from any real tier of his career, and I guess
you wouldn't go past beyond college, but like his style
of and I kind of hate these arguments because I think,
like it's always like, oh, Lamar Jackson's your only running
the ball too much? Yawn, But like, like it's it's

(01:39:07):
like you don't know how durable Richardson's body is. He's
a giant, guys, powerful, he's physical. Two NFL games in
a row, like you leave the game concerned about his health.

Speaker 2 (01:39:15):
Near the goal line where he's kind of selling himself
out to score. Yeah, I think he's six three to six,
And it's like, so it's not an issue of him
his body size wise not being able to take the hits,
but he's gonna take licks.

Speaker 1 (01:39:29):
And it's just unfortunate.

Speaker 2 (01:39:30):
And hopefully this is just an outlier and he'll play
this upcoming week and and you won't have to be
talking about this every week, because really the best case
scenario here for the Colts is Richardson stays healthy and stiking,
and Richardson continue to grow something here, and hell, maybe
Jonathan Taylor comes back and you have something really cooking
with this offense, which is had it had its way

(01:39:53):
here with Houston, they only they had an eighteen point
lead at halftime. They manage one field goal after after that,
but it didn't matter because the game was.

Speaker 5 (01:40:02):
Over and Gardner Minshew came in and kept moving the
ball with him. And that's why with a concussion and
a rookie quarterback, like you don't need to push him
to play next week. If he's coming off a concussion,
you can. You just got to be thinking long term.
Gardner Minshew's starting is just fine for a week. I
thought you noted on Twitter Dan that Richardson self reported,

(01:40:26):
which is concerning that that's even necessary because you know,
he's a guy in a very highly visible play. It
was head slams against the turf and did he stay
in the game for a little longer self report?

Speaker 1 (01:40:40):
Did?

Speaker 5 (01:40:41):
I mean that's an NFL total failure, Like we spent
a week on two a tongue of Iiloa because it
was just more dramatic, but it's the exact same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:40:49):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (01:40:50):
It was I guess tricky because there was I'm trying
to think there was something else going on immediately after
the play. Maybe he's a scrum that that directed other
people's attention away from it. And even after he hits
his head on the turf, he pops straight up. He
does like a backye crolling. He's got his arms up
and he's jogging him back. But obviously there were cobwebs
and some issues cognitively that that were building or sustained

(01:41:11):
after that moment, So I get that. I also I
think sometimes it's it's quick to just say, look at
the system failed.

Speaker 1 (01:41:18):
There's supposed to.

Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
Be a spot her on the sideline, But you're also
if he's not woozy, if if he's it doesn't appear
that he took a bad shot, how do you really
It's hard to know.

Speaker 1 (01:41:27):
It's it's always going to be difficult.

Speaker 5 (01:41:29):
And I think that because you see so many plays
every game that someone's head slams on the ground. Yeah,
it's like you should be checking a lot of them,
and they're they're not checking.

Speaker 1 (01:41:39):
Like Josh Allen got hit on a head to head.

Speaker 2 (01:41:41):
You saw it eric a scramble where he again he
probably should have gotten down, but then a second guy
came in and smoked him and they threw the flag
on it, and that's a helmet to helmet shot, and
you know where should the game stop down there?

Speaker 1 (01:41:55):
Like how do you play? How do you play this?

Speaker 3 (01:41:58):
Or just take him out?

Speaker 4 (01:41:59):
It's a lot of it. Let's be real, it's optics
because head collisions and stuff like this is happening every
play to different positions. But when it's quarterback and we
see something visibly that looks wrong, and it's like we're saying,
oh a lot, a lot happened after the play. That's
that's fine if coaches didn't see it or someone else,
but like they have people designated to look for this.
What was going on there?

Speaker 1 (01:42:21):
Well, like I said, he was showing those outward signs initially,
is what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:42:24):
I think it's just it's a tough judgment call in general,
but like I don't know part of it is. I
think what happened with TWA last year was like it
became this inflame scenario. So it's like over protecting the
whole thing, and now it's like it's not a story
right now, but it will be soon enough.

Speaker 5 (01:42:37):
Do you put much into Stroud hooking up Nico Collins
for one forty eight six woods for seventy four and
tanked out for seventy two.

Speaker 3 (01:42:44):
I mean, yes, I Fantasy day.

Speaker 1 (01:42:46):
I really think that uh Stroud looked good in this game.

Speaker 2 (01:42:48):
Now, a lot of that chunk yardage was occurring when
the game was kind of at hand. But you know what,
when you have a this is two twenty one year
old quarterbacks in this game going at it like any
type of you need them on the field to develop,
like I saw real quick, like Will McDonald, the Jets
first round pick, was a healthy inactive today, and I'm
just like scratching my head thinking to myself, I understand

(01:43:09):
they're deep at d line, but you when you have rookies,
they need to play to develops. So that was giving
me some issues over there, Like you're seeing him get
these even in garbage time, the ability to have success
and throw the ball build confidence.

Speaker 1 (01:43:25):
He went over three hundred yards in this game.

Speaker 2 (01:43:26):
So yes, I think if you're the Texans on offense,
you're feeling bullish about Stroud's development. I think one of
the things I'm over in terms of storylines in our league.
You know, well the Vikings or the Texans, well they
have Mike Flores or Demico Ryans now, so they're going
to be better on defense, Well, you need the players

(01:43:46):
and you need the time in terms of the scheme,
and the Texans are not better on defense right now,
and it's going to continue to be a major issue
for them, at least early in the season.

Speaker 4 (01:43:55):
I would say one thing about like Stroud's performance, It
wasn't just over three hundred it was almost four hundred yards.

Speaker 2 (01:44:03):
The last one fifty or so really was just very
soft coverage. But I don't want to go too crazy
about it, but also is nice, but look.

Speaker 4 (01:44:10):
At his environment compared to like rookies that are put
into a better situation. You don't have Larry mt Tunzel today.
Their offensive line is like battered and not effective. Damian
Pierce two point one yards per carry, thirty one total yards.
They barely ran the ball, and so it's all on
Stroud and he's getting it done and like your second
NFL game, and like the one thing that's always consistent

(01:44:31):
about him is like he's gonna throw a couple passes
every performance where it's like there aren't that many people
that look like that throwing the ball. I think it's
just like a I enjoy watching him, just throw the ball.

Speaker 3 (01:44:40):
The trick it.

Speaker 5 (01:44:40):
I would say, like it's as good as in an
O two start where you're not competitive in any other game.
Can feel because you feel like, Okay, I think we've
got our quarterback, because plenty of quarterbacks don't light it
up in garbage tim or make the type of throws
he did a week ago. But they don't know on
their first round pick this year, so it's not the
best way to start the season.

Speaker 3 (01:44:57):
You want to win at home against the Colts. That's
one of the games on.

Speaker 5 (01:45:00):
The schedule where you were favored coming into the week
of the line was really close. It's like when you
don't on your first pick, it's gotta start feeling very uncomfortable.

Speaker 3 (01:45:10):
If the if the loss is pilot.

Speaker 1 (01:45:12):
I mean pick up CJ.

Speaker 2 (01:45:13):
Stroud in fantasy because they're probably gonna be playing from
hopelessly behind a lot this season. Last last note on
this game. It's about the telecast. Robert Smith.

Speaker 1 (01:45:24):
Not my cup of tea.

Speaker 4 (01:45:26):
Okay, for what name can you give me? One season?
Just not not driving with you. It's not a mass He's.

Speaker 3 (01:45:32):
Been back in the mix now for a few years.

Speaker 1 (01:45:34):
It's not for me, maybe for you.

Speaker 4 (01:45:36):
No, I think it's like you are, maybe for America,
maybe the world, yep subjective. I have the beholder great
running back to Sunday Night Football, where's.

Speaker 3 (01:45:46):
The Ted, Miami host the running back, the.

Speaker 1 (01:45:56):
Hold large hole, pira hate Boster. Hey just put that
into fourth year real quickly and it was over.

Speaker 2 (01:46:08):
Oh little car talk for Rosenthal, like get under the
hood in the garage.

Speaker 3 (01:46:14):
In his spare time Memrio man'sman, I don't know anything.

Speaker 2 (01:46:20):
About cars either, Greg and Dan taking this one home tonight,
Jimmy Cefalo and Joe Rose on the call for WBGG.
The Miami passing game was the star in week one
and week two is a running game that had its
way with an opponent, this time the Patriots, who could
not stop Mostered on that game icing, not exactly game icing.

(01:46:44):
We'll get to that moment. A touchdown run one hundred
and forty five yards on the ground for Miami in
a twenty four seventeen win over the Patriots. New England
falls to zero to two in excruciating fashion in the
the Dolphins two and zero leading the AFC East early
on GREGI, so the game seems over at that point

(01:47:08):
after the Mostard score and it isn't though, because after
they go up twenty four to ten, the Patriots get
a touchdown I believe off a turnover or a defensive stop,
and then.

Speaker 1 (01:47:20):
They have the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:47:21):
They're going down the field gregy, and just like last week,
it was the completion that wasn't where it's ruled the
completion and then they say.

Speaker 1 (01:47:29):
Whoa, whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa stop the clocks.

Speaker 2 (01:47:32):
Let's look at this, and they rule it incomplete, turnover
opponent's ball. Pats lose again a crazy completion to the
tight end. They flip back to Cole Strange, the lineman
who appeared to get the first down. First down was
given on the field and the who whoa, whoa, whoa,
whoa whoa wo stop the clocks. It is overturned upon review.

(01:47:53):
That one stings.

Speaker 5 (01:47:54):
I question whether you had the right angle to determine that, definitely,
because if the the camera is at an angle, how
can you say that? So surely, but this loss, as
annoying as that ending was, is actually easier to take
for me than a week ago, where I think they

(01:48:16):
were the better team and they you know, to use
like a tom kerranism on their leg. That was a
game they should have won. This is a game they
felt lucky to be in, and that was one of
those like crazy throw it back to the Tom Brady era,
sort of miracle plays that would only happen during the
Tom Patriot Tom Brady Patriot era, except now when it happens,

(01:48:39):
you come a half yard short or as a week ago,
you review it and it's an incomplete pass and like
every good bit of mojo they had for two decades
was used up, and Mac Jones is suffering, you suffering.

Speaker 1 (01:48:53):
For the Patriots, like.

Speaker 5 (01:48:56):
Hunter Henry's catch that was overturned in that Vikings game.
I remember though in the past, like the National like
Cognizante being like, wow, the Patriots were kind of jobbed
one to play that never used to happen, and now
it's happening all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:49:09):
But they did not deserve to win this game. And
we can get to the reasons.

Speaker 1 (01:49:12):
Why How does it feel to no longer have magic
on your side?

Speaker 5 (01:49:16):
It's okay they we uh over indexed as fans. I
would say, I'm using we in the fans version. I
hear you on that multiple deck.

Speaker 1 (01:49:25):
You know who did pee down their leg.

Speaker 2 (01:49:26):
I thought, in this and don't worry, Dolviins fans, this
is gonna be about you and positive soon enough. But
the only reason the Patriots even had a chance here
is I thought Mike McDaniel, who I like.

Speaker 1 (01:49:36):
I love the guy. He's a funny dude.

Speaker 2 (01:49:39):
After he gives his halftime interview, he's on national television
with like, I don't know how.

Speaker 1 (01:49:43):
Many people watch these games.

Speaker 2 (01:49:44):
I don't know, twenty million, something like that, one thousand million,
big number.

Speaker 1 (01:49:49):
He sprints away, just looking insane.

Speaker 2 (01:49:51):
It was. It was wonderful at halftime. But in this game,
they have a fourth and three at the New England
thirty seven yard line with two nineteen to play, and
they are up seven. And your offense was historically great
in week one, and you're running the ball down the
throats to New England in game two and you send

(01:50:13):
out Jason Sanders for a fifty five year kick and
Jason Sanders cannot make fifty yarders. The data backs it up,
and sure enough he misses it by a mile wide left,
and that's set up the Pats.

Speaker 1 (01:50:24):
And I thought that that was a situation.

Speaker 2 (01:50:26):
Where McDaniel blinked and it gave the Patriots a second
life and they got away with it. But this should
have never gotten to that point, and yet it did.
But on the positive side of things, Greg, like you said,
the Dolphins controlled this game from the start.

Speaker 1 (01:50:42):
They were the better team.

Speaker 2 (01:50:44):
And when you can now say Raheem Moster's a guy
that can pop off for one twenty when our passing
game is being held down a little bit, it shows
you how deep and dangerous this offense is.

Speaker 5 (01:50:55):
Right McDaniel gets a little knock for that. I'm with
you as someone rooting for New England. I was like,
thank you, thank you for the field goal attempt. They
have a better chance at this than stopping a three
yard play. The only reason they stopped the third and
one is because to a tongue Iiloa and his center
messed up the exchange for the umpty in time this season,

(01:51:18):
who is it McGovern or Connor Williams? Rather I confuse
the Connors with who can play multiple positions. It had
a couple other bad snaps that led to bad plays
in this game, But this is so Unpatriot and I
will puke the next time I hear someone says like,
well these are They're just making sloppy, Unpatriots like mistakes.
So they're de playing mental errors. That's not like the Patriots,

(01:51:39):
It's exactly who they've been since the very moment Tom
Brady left. Like they get penalized a lot. They make
mental errors, that's just part of it. But what they
have done better usually is run the ball and stop
the run. That's that's Bill Belichick wants to do that.
They didn't stop the run on Sunday night. They didn't
run the ball well. And even though TOUA numbers don't great,

(01:52:00):
I think Belichick threw some things at him and he
had that interception. Man, he made a couple beautiful plays.
He mostly made really good decisions. I think the first
third down of the game, he steps up in the pocket,
makes the right read where he a lot's being thrown
at him, processing wise, and I think he handled it,
let's say, better than Jalen Hurts did a week ago.
The drive at the end of the first half was

(01:52:20):
beautiful where they only have a couple minutes and he
just has to go down the field and has a
great throw to Burrio.

Speaker 3 (01:52:25):
So he still was the better quarterback.

Speaker 5 (01:52:27):
In this game, certainly, even though Mac Jones is better
and they had the better running game. They outgained him
by one hundred. They're the better team at least through
two weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:52:35):
Yeah, I thought it was interesting and remarked on when
we were watching in the film room that Mac Jones,
who's you know, you don't hang him the loss on
mac Jones, but it's a lot of hard work for
mac Jones. And it's strange to me to see a
quarterback in the league now that doesn't feel like he's
a highly athletic player. And so I think they're just

(01:52:56):
they're just earthbound offensively, not because of him, but he's
a a part of it. And Ramrodra Stevenson, who's supposed
to be the dog of this team, he has been
pretty quiet through two weeks. He averaged three point three
yards Carrie in this game. That's only after they did
a little bit of work later on in the second half.
For the most part, he was totally bottled up. Zeke
is not really a part of this offense right now either.

(01:53:18):
So there are issues obviously with New England and it's
I think it's going to be a season long situation.

Speaker 1 (01:53:23):
It won't be as I think they can improve. I
think listen.

Speaker 2 (01:53:26):
I think they can improve, but I think last year
was an outlier that they were kind of laughed at
for how out of sync they were and poorly coached
on offense. But I think it's going to be a
grind for this team to score points for most of
the year.

Speaker 5 (01:53:38):
I mean, if it doesn't improve, I have my doubts
about Bill Belichick's future, but we can talk about that
throughout the course of the season. I think it will
improve because it needs to improve. When they're third and three,
third and four, they can pick that up. If it's
anything longer, they can't pick up. They didn't have a
play over fourteen yards. Their longest play of the game,
Dan was that catch that set up the fourth down,

(01:54:00):
which Mike Goseki caught with one hand and then the
Dolphins quarterback cater Co who had it with one hand,
and then it would look like Julian Edelman in the
Super Bowl. That was their longest play and that.

Speaker 1 (01:54:09):
Was fourteen yards.

Speaker 5 (01:54:10):
Fourteen freaking yards that moster I do want to just
point out a couple of little sequences. So another time,
like they got the Christian Gonzales interception in the middle
of the fourth quarter at that point, they're only down seven.
You think the place is going crazy. You think, okay,
this is where they have a chance to make a run.
And their next three plays was throw to Juju, who
has this I'm the new free agent wide receiver with

(01:54:33):
the Patriots look to him, which is not a good
sign because usually when it starts bad, it doesn't get better.
Incomplete pass to him than Andrew Van Ginkle, who will
sign a huge contract to be a New England Patriot
in a year, forces them into a long yarded situation
with a big sack and then they just throw a
mac Jones hope ball on third down and there's a

(01:54:53):
lot of mac Jones down the field hope balls. Van
Yinko had a force fumble earlier in the game. That
to me, that's such a helling sequence of where they're at.
Even though they're making plays like the mac Jones touchdown
at the end of the game, one of them was
on a play that was totally improvised and was a
busted play and probably should have been penalized on the Patriots.

Speaker 3 (01:55:10):
And they didn't get all the bricks.

Speaker 2 (01:55:12):
And they got you know, tough, tough scheduling Eagles Dolphins,
but owing two at home to start the season, and now,
and we'll get to it. Now, they're in a kind
of a wounded animal deathmatch going to the Metalands to
face the Jets, and god that that.

Speaker 5 (01:55:26):
Jets are one and one, so technically they don't qualify
for your.

Speaker 1 (01:55:30):
No, they do not. They're not a wounded animal.

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
But also there's there's a depressing vibe around that game
because it might be very similar to last year's Patriots
Jets games, or it's like very low scoring, big time
slog fest.

Speaker 1 (01:55:45):
And we'll see how that game goes.

Speaker 2 (01:55:47):
They absolutely need the game, and the Dolphins and they
get Now they welcome Denver into their building and they're
two and oh. So you know, I think it's funny
with it. We talked about it all summer, at least
I said it a lot. I think Mark said something
similar that everybody was hyping up the Dolphins Jets, and
one of those teams was going to get picked off
by either just the hype monster or some type of injury.

Speaker 1 (01:56:06):
Sadly was my team.

Speaker 2 (01:56:07):
The Dolphins, on the other hand, they're the team that
looks like they could be set up for a nice
season here. They need to not get picked off by
the injury. We know what I'm talking about when I
say that, But right now, so far, so good.

Speaker 5 (01:56:19):
From my I just love what Mike mcdane's doing. He's
stacking these creative little wrinkles. He's had it all week.
All anyone talked about is a short motion that Tyreek
Hill was doing, you know, from from either kind of
inside the tackles and what kind of challenges the presented.
And for the most part, the Patriots did well, but
then he was playing off of that. That moster run

(01:56:40):
partly came because they were so distracted by what Tyreek
Hill was doing in the backfield, and the wattle big
play that he had down the field was partly because
they were distracted by what Tyreek Kill was doing. So
I love mcdane just stacking nice play calls on top
of nice play calls.

Speaker 2 (01:56:55):
Yeah, it's impressive when Tua can throw for four to
sixty and you can go for two hundred, But maybe
more dangerous to the rest of the AFC when they
can win a game when Tyreek has forty yards.

Speaker 5 (01:57:08):
Only one wounded animal game will be on the Week
three state that's low.

Speaker 3 (01:57:13):
That's a little weird, but it's Wounded be Wounded.

Speaker 5 (01:57:15):
It's ultimate wounded animal game, Wounded Wounded Chargers, Vikings. I mean,
that's that's it, that's wounded or franchises, Wounded Centuries.

Speaker 1 (01:57:28):
Is it possible that they both lose?

Speaker 3 (01:57:29):
I want that I want that game.

Speaker 2 (01:57:31):
I think it's in play all right. Big Sunday Show,
Thank you everybody, too Big for listening. I think the
listeners are going to enjoy. They like the size. Who
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