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July 30, 2025 36 mins

Casa CEO Nick Neuman argues Bitcoin needs self-custody adoption to survive long-term. Without transaction fees from edge users, mining could become unprofitable, risking network security and potentially forcing protocol changes.


Nick Neuman, CEO & co-founder of Casa joins us to talk about why Bitcoin's future depends on self-custody adoption. Neuman argues that without users holding Bitcoin "at the edges" and generating transaction fees, mining incentives could collapse, potentially forcing changes to Bitcoin's 21 million supply cap or pushing institutions toward proof-of-stake alternatives.


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NOTES:

• Casa founded in 2018 to enable self-custody

• Coinbase holds 2.8 million Bitcoin today

• Transaction activity lower than 2018 levels

• Bitcoin block reward halves repeatedly over time

• Mining unprofitable without transaction fees

• 2140 deadline for block reward depletion


Timestamps:

00:00 Start

02:38 Self custody & Bitcoin survival

07:25 Held at the edges

11:26 Fees a& codes changes

17:55 Memetic death spiral

21:00 layer 2

26:12 Self custody adoption

30:48 Changes to improve self custody

33:35 Education


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