What keeps you up at night?

Episode Transcript

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When I lay down and go tosleep, if I've had, you know,
something to eat or something to drinkthat you know, into the evening
might be giving me a little bitof that sugary rush that some things give
you, which is why you haveto be careful about what you drink and
when. Or same thing with eating. And I've tried to follow, you

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know, like the last time,I like the rules, right, don't
eat after like three hours before youfall asleep, don't eat anything, don't
drink anything two hours before you fallasleep, and don't look at a screen
one hour before you fall asleep.That's like the surefire way to make sure

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that you'll fall asleep like when youwant to assuming you've you know, been
awake for a while. Right,I've been pretty good about trying to follow
some of that. I mean,you know, the screen thing, it's
kind of hard. Well, thisis more a thing of I I sit

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down and I lay in bed,and I just I think. I think
about things that I've done in thepast. I think about the things that
i'd done that day. I thinkabout things that I need to do in
the future, and it really itgets my brain just operating in a way

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that I probably just you're not gonnafall asleep in your brain's thinking that much.
And I've talked to a life coachas the proper term. It wasn't
really therapy, it was a lifecoach, and she said, you know,
there are ways that you can kindof distract yourself from that and allow
your brain to kind of rest,and then you might be able to fall
asleep. And I've done some ofthat. But have you ever thought,

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like, have you ever had thisproblem where you just kind of like you're
laying there and you're just thinking aboutwhat your life is going through at a
certain time, positive or negative,reliving things and recounting things of your past,
thinking about things that could have beendifferent. You're preaching to the choir.
Okay, so how do you handlethis personally? Yeah? I mean,

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is this like an every night thingor is this kind of like it
goes in waves? It goes forsure, It just depends. It depends.
I one consistency is that if I'vegotten some level of exercise that day,
exerted myself in some sort of waythat day, then usually this is
not an issue for me. Myissue is not always getting asleep saying yeah,

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I have a real I can getto sleep, but I have this
weird thing where a lot of times, after I've fallen asleep for three four
hours, I'll wake up and thenthe rest of the night I'll just be
waking up, like never getting backinto rem sleep, never really getting back
into a deep sleep. So that'smy own problem. Well, no,
but I can actually relate to thatas well, because the the thing that

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I would do when I lived inDes Moines, I would be getting up
and going to work at four inthe morning, but I didn't want to
miss anything in the evening, soI'd sleep in like four hour shifts.
So really the first like I wouldsay, two months I was here working
at this station, I was kindof doing the same thing, Like my

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body would not just let me sleepthree or four more than three or four
hours at a time. Not great, not healthy, Probably frustrating, Yeah,
especially when you're like you're trying tosleep longer, right, And I
really can relate to you on whatyou're thinking about is keeping you up.

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It's not always a positive or negative, you know, it's just it just
is there one thing that pops upmore than other things. This is the
thing that I have I'm dealing withnow, there's like two or three things
that I've already experienced. I mean, this is done, this has already
happened in my life, and mybrain just kind of like rehashes it while
I lay there and have nothing elseto think about, ruminations, and they

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get they get all of us.For me, melatonin helps, it helps,
It helps you kind of keep yourselfin that it wears off, but
it does help kind of put you, put you in that space where you
can just kind of relax into sleep. But also a big one here,
real big one to me personally.Have you ever meditated before? I've not.

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I've heard good things. Please tryit. So explain what that is.
Okay. There's a lot of differentways to meditate. Okay. Meditation
is something that goes back through thehistory of time. So it's not particular
to any one religion, you know. I think that it's it's something that
does it have to be a religiousexperience. It can be, It can

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be, but it doesn't have tobe. And there's a lot of different
ways to meditate. Meditation can beas sa quite literally as do you sleep
with noise in the background? No? Okay, So if you sleep with
a fan. You can just doreally simple noise meditation. I don't know
if that's what it's called, butjust listen to the fan and when thoughts
come in, just don't follow them. That's the biggest thing with meditation.
When a thought comes in, don'tpush it away because then more come up.

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It's like whack them all. Whena thought comes in, just don't
follow it. Acknowledge it, it'sthere, don't follow it. How do
you do that? Go back toyour meditation mantra meditation? You can return
to the mantra. If you wantto go spend a thousand bucks and get
a literal mantra word from a transcendentalmeditation expert, you can do that.

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I wouldn't recommend it that it feelslike a rip off. Yeah, some
would even say it's a bit ofa racket. Hey, Hey, if
you're a big fan, no offense, because transcendental meditation has been very relaxing
for a lot of people. Butit's a utilitarian thing. I'm excited that
I get to talk about this becausethere's a lot of different ways that you
can meditate, and one of themost ample things you can do is just
is just breath meditation. And thisis something it wasn't necessarily described to me

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as meditation. It was more describedto me as being present or being aware
aware mindfulness, right, yeah,and that was that was my life.
Coach was kind of like, tryto feel with your hands, like the

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sheet, get back in your body, get out of your head, yep,
try to try to try to feelyour your chest kind of moving with
your breath and then like you know, you get good enough at that,
and that's that. That was likea tool and it did help for a
time where my brain would just kindof be distracted from whatever we were taught,

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like whatever I was thinking about before. You know, who's really really
good at getting to sleep quick throughmeditation practices? The military, they've got
techniques. So if anybody out therewho's like, oh, I don't need
any of this new fangled mamby pamby, like no, I you know,
this is practical stuff for for anybody, and it's and and their techniques is

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all about slipping into into into asleep. It is all about that sort
of awareness thing of kind of gettingout of your head. So I guess
my my big question is to youour listeners here in the Kfab family because
this We're not the only people thathave thought about this. I want to
make this a safe space. Iwant everybody to share, and you can

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share anonymously if you want. Isthere anything keeps you up at night?
Is there anything that you do totry to help yourself overcome that? And
I'll share a couple of the thingsthat are really sticking in my brain that
continuously get rehashed that really forced me, unfortunately to have to worry about getting

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myself to sleep at a variety oflevels. And I'll share that with you
next on news radio eleven to tenkfab. Is there anything that goes on
that like in your head that justkeeps coming up over and over again that
prevents you from this? I thinkone thing that is pretty clear to me
is and I'm trying to figure itout, is the Sunday scaries. Matt

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case Is, my producer. Isthat something that affects you? Kind of
depends what's coming up, but generally, yeah, I mean I think that
every Sunday night. You know,it's kind of like, what would you
determine a Sunday Scary? Sometimes it'sa little bit more of the you're just
thinking about what you have to dothe next day, it's not necessarily scary.

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Well, how many people dislike theirjobs though? I mean I feel
like I read a survey or astudy that said people who love their jobs
is like fewer than ten percent ofAmerican workers like truly love what they do,
and like a bigger majority are kindof indifferent. Like they do the
job and they don't hate it,but they don't love it. It's not

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what they would call their calling,but they you know. And then there's
you know, like thirty percent ofAmerica or something that truly wishes they were
doing something else. That's that's atough stat right there. You know,
people, I think you get excitedabout a job and then you'd start doing

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the job, and then after likesix months and that newness wears off,
you start like just oh, Idon't want to do that, you know
what I mean. There's a lotof monotonous to life in general. I
feel like those are the people thatwould be affected by the Sunday scaries.
Like I really like what I do. I'm lucky to do this. I
don't like I think I'm always thinkingabout stuff that I can talk about on

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the show or things that I cando and ideas that I might have that
we could do. I'm never likepanicking about it. I'm never feeling on
Sunday nights like like that's not oneof the things that affects me. But
I know a lot of people thatit does. You know. It's just
like, yeah, I felt likeI had the Sunday scaries worse when I
was in school. It's like,oh, I don't want to go to

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school tomorrow. I want, Iwant. I enjoyed my weekend, but
it was over too fast, youknow for sure, like that that was
a bigger problem for me. Youknow what I have a problem with.
What when football season gets going again, they play that song waiting all day
for Sunday night. No, Iwas not. Yeah, yeah, there
are always those triggers when you werea kid that okay, well that's the

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end of the weekend. To me, it was always the New Family Guy
when I was in high school,like the animation domination on Fox. You
know, to watch The Simpsons andThe New Family Guy and you're like,
oh, it's like already nine o'clockon a Sunday night, Like I got
to get ready to go to bed. I got school tomorrow. And five
days of school and then you justhate how that feels. Yeah, I

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don't feel that way about work.I really haven't. You know the last
job I truly didn't like that Ihad in my life that I was like
not excited to go do. Insome way, it's a long time ago,
so I can't relate. But Ifeel like the Sunday scary thing,
like it's kind of permeating and peopleare kind of feeling like it's not such
a big deal to have that,even though I think it does have more

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of an impact on them than Ithink they were willing to admit and their
general happiness, right, So that'snot really what it permeates. In my
head, you know, you knowwhat I think about. There are like
three things that kind of always popup and I just can't shake them.
And there are things that happened already. There are things that happened in my

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life now. Some of this stuffis fun to like think about and relive,
and sometimes you know, daydream aboutstuff that you've already done, Like
have you ever done anything really coolthat you like to just think about and
like try to relive it in yourhead of like that moment that you did
something really cool, sure, butthat could be sad too. All depends
your framing. It's never gonna happenagain, it's already been done, right,

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But is that unhealthy to think aboutmore? Or is it good to
have those memories? Because I'm abit That's why I like social media.
That's why I have a Facebook accountmore than anything else. Not just to
connect to the people that I loveand the people that I want to talk
to and so people can see whatwe're doing, but I share a lot

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of stuff there so I can getreminded of what we've done in the past.
You know, one thing that's poppingup right now for me, four
years ago, my dog died onApril first, twenty twenty, and it
was really sad. It was likethe saddest moment in my life. And
so I did thirty days of likea memorial for her, and every day
I'd share a different video or differentpictures or something. And I'm like going

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back through that now and getting tolike relive that kind of and like I'm
always gonna get to remember her becauseI shared those things. Now, I
don't think about that, thankfully,that much, just out of nowhere,
but I do enjoy going back andlike seeing oh yeah, I remember that
video that was my dog. Shewas a great dog. You know.

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I use social media for that.There are a lot of things that social
media doesn't have, And unfortunately,that's the stupid crap that's in my brain,
the stuff that I didn't get outsomehow, that I didn't like share
with a bunch of people. Andmaybe this is the exercise that I'm trying
to do now, is like maybeif I get it out, maybe they'll

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stop haunting me. One thing isso stupid, and I have no idea
why I keep thinking about it.I played rec league baseball in Central Iowa
for a few years now. Ihadn't played baseball organized baseball in a long
time. I was in a thirtyplus league, thirty year old plus league,
and I was playing outfield. Iwas pretty good in outfield, like,
I could catch the ball, Icould run him down. I'm pretty

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fast like and it was a lotof fun. But our team generally wasn't
very good. And there was onetime I was playing left field. We
were actually we were one out ofway from winning a game, and a
guy hit a high fly ball inmy direction. I watched it. It
was in the air for so longthat I kind of panicked that may be
able to land behind me. Itook a step backwards, and by the
time I recognized that I had beenin the right place before it landed a

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foot in front of me. Weended up losing that game in extra innings.
It was my fault. I'm stillhaunted by this. This is like
three years two three years later.This happened like three years ago. It
makes I'm the only person in theworld that probably remembers it. I can't

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shake it, Matt, I can't. What do I have to do.
It's a couple of different ways.You know. One strategy is making someone
else's fault. But how how doyou how do you make something that was
clearly your fault somebody else's fault?Ah, let's let's let's go over the
details. If if you want togo that route, you can go there.
I don't think that's the most healthiestroute, but that is a route

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that some people think. I justthis one is so full proof of anyone
else's fault, Like it so clearlyis only my fault. I literally only
have myself to blame. Okay,So, so, so what's the next
check mark here, I would sayanother one is is just general acceptance.
Well, I had to accept it, but I still regret it. I
would posit that there may be partsof it, and it would you'd really

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have to just kind of dig intoit. What are the parts that are
hardest to accept that you're not quitegetting there yet? What are the parts
that you mull over? What youknow we were no dominate on? Well,
what's the cud? What what partof it that you're continue to go
over again? There are two parts. First of all is that I felt
bad for the pitcher who pitched theentire game and he deserved to win and
and get that moment because he doesn'tpitch all the time, and he had

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a great game and it was myfault that he didn't get to win.
And the second thing is I wasin the right spot initially, and then
I moved, like I noticeably moved, and I'm like reconciling with that.
It's like I didn't trust myself,you know, in the sandlot when Benning
the jet Rodriguez heel smalls, yougot to stop thinking like baseball is supposed
to be fun, Like you're thinkingtoo much. And then Smalls all of

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a sudden, like turns into areally good baseball player, Like I thought
too much out there and it ruinedIt ruined that game, It ruined my
feeling. Now. I played anotheryear and a half after that, and
I never had a moment that embarrassing. Again, I had a lot of
great moments after that too, Butit's like and I had a lot of

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fun playing for the most part,but that the worst part, is the
only one that I'm thinking about allthe time. Here's my second thing.
I'm thinking though, if you don'twant to go the unhealthy route of like
finding who you can blame for it. Life is a classroom, not a
courtroom. What if you just tookwhat you needed to learn from it and

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then you can let go of it. Yeah, again, it's just not
a practical thing. Like I learnedto just kind of where to position myself
in the field a little bit betterafter that and trust myself and took more
flyballs and practiced more. But it'sjust not a practical thing. Why would
somebody my age be caring about somethingso fickle? It's keeping me up at

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night sometimes I'm no freud, butit's got to be connected with other things,
and maybe that's what we have toexplore. I want to hear what's
keeping you up at night? Isthere anything that you want to get out
in the world and talk about.This is a thing that I am unfortunately
stuck on, and sometimes I layin bed and I can't fall asleep.
I want to talk to you aboutit. You can call us a four
H two five five eight eleven tenfour H two five five eight to eleven

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ten. You can also email meemmeriikfab dot com. It's news radio eleven
ten KFAB. Maybe I need nooff days right because I sleep, like
you said, generally, like ifI've done exercise, like like intense exercise,
because I'm really getting back into doingthat, that definitely helps me feeling
like I need to sleep at theright time. On the other hand,

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if I'm even kind of awake,there are a few things that just keep
me awake. And one of thosethings I shared with you that I am
dealing with right now is uh,I keep thinking about this thing that was
like three years ago. I'm playingrec league baseball and I misplayed a fly
ball that could have been the finalout of a game my team that wasn't
very good, had a chance towin, and it was my fault.

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And I don't know how to reconcilethat in a way that I could just
stop thinking about it forever, alongwith a couple of other things that I
haven't talked about yet that also arekind of haunting me. But the baseball
want specifically we can stick on rightnow and our phone line four h two
five five eight eleven ten. Wewant to hear from you, whether you
have something similar or not. Johnis on the line. Thank you so

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much, John for being part ofour show today. What do you got
for me? So? Hey,John, you're on, You're on the
show. Okay, I'm sorry Ididn't hear that you called on me.
Hey. Uh. Anyway, whatkeeps me up is uh. In the
old days when I ran a lotof cruise it uh, it would keep
me trying to run schedules and paperwork. Still does I work by myself.

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That still keeping wakes me up inthe middle night. Get I solved a
lot of problems waking up in thenormal night. The reason I called was
your issue with the baseball. Yeah, think of it this way. I'm
the guy that hit that ball.I very rarely got a hit and that
was the first hit that I evergot that won a game. You are

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my hero now and now I knowyour name. So thanks memory for gissing
that ball. Hey John, anythingfor you. Man, appreciate you calling
it. Love the show, andthanks to take the call. Yeah,
I appreciate you calling it, Man, really appreciate it. That's funny.
I mean, that's also true ifI would have I mean, like I

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am for whoever. I don't rememberthe guy. I barely remember what teamate
we were playing. I just rememberhow bad I felt right afterwards. And
it took me like a few weeksto shake that because I was so distraught
over that I had. Christina emailedme and she said, maybe this is

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God's way of telling you you needto call the picture and have a beer
with him. Well, it's funny. We would have beer together after like
every game, the entire team,but especially me and that specific guy.
Now, he wasn't generally a pitcher, he was a center fielder. We
played in the outfield a lot togetherand he just happened to be pitching that
game, and maybe that's why Ifelt so bad. But he was the
first guy that always tell me,dude, it's okay, It's really okay.

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It happens, and he could tellI felt really bad, but we
had a lot of beer together.I mean, he's he doesn't remember it.
I guarantee he doesn't remember it.Uh four O two five, five,
eight eleven tents the phone number wegot Steve there. Hey, Steve,
thank you for calling in. Whatare you thinking about? Well,
I heard you going into this andI had to go into the I left

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the car and had to go intothe house to take the groceries in.
But uh, I've been very,very fortunate over the years to have grandchildren
really excelled in sports. And theone thing that remains in my mind is,
like you were talking about the actualenjoyment of the sport, UH seems
to lessen that the fire of theheads get into it. And it occurred

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to me that the ones that enjoythe sports the most, I believe is
probably the little kne knockers in inuh, the where they hit the ball
off the off, the the off, the you know what I mean.
The kids softball, Oh yeah,yeah, te ball. They don't keep
scoring afterwards, I go and havedairy queen. They look forward to next

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whatever it was. Yeah, wellgo ahead. The older the older they
get, the more they get drawninto the wishes of the coaches, their
own disappointments. They start categorizing themselvesand sometimes it feels like they doomed theirselves
to their own state with it.I've seen this in high school. I've
seen it in NCAA softball now,and uh, it's it's just I had

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a couple of years ago we wereat the district playoffs for high school softball,
and our girls just weren't just weren'tgetting it. You could see it
was all there, but they justweren't getting that out. And fortunately,
over the years I've been one ofthese fellows, it's been allowed to Boyce's
opinion on a few things. Theycame into the dugout and I think of
hearing all through the whole park.Ladies, ladies, ladies, forget the

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inning, forget the score, forgetthe time. All it is is a
little yellow ball hit it. It'sjust like it booth the ice on them.
And they ended up to go thereto finish that, and then they
went to state. I love lovethat. Sometimes it's just that easy.
It's just know, providing a differentangle on what they're doing at the time.
I think that that's a really goodpoint. Yeah, all you got

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to hit the ball. All yougot to hit the ball is hit the
ball. Start running as a coachon third and as a coach on on
Burton, and they'll they'll help youout with it a base coach. Yeah.
Anyway, I just wanted to putthat out. I appreciate it,
Steve, thanks so much for callingin. Yeah. I And this is
the other thing too, uh,maybe the caring about it so much in

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the moment, because I mean,think about more high profile athletes, like
especially a kid that's like their peakis going to be in college and they
make like a horrific mistake that hauntsthem for like the rest of their lives.
I mean, how much you thinkChris Weber still thinks about the time
out, Bill buck Nur, ScottNorwood. I mean, those are those

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are professionals, right, there wasa There have been guys that have had
a lot bigger problems than I do. I can't fall asleep at night sometimes
thinking about stuff like this. Someother guy has had even worse depression over
their mistakes, even sports related orjust work related at all. And That's

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kind of what we're talking about hereis how do you try to overcome this?
And if you can't, maybe wecan just talk about the stuff that
is going on in your brain andthe stuff that you can't shake that happened
earlier in your life. Greg's onour phone line of four two, five,
five, eight eleven ten. Greg, thanks for the call. What
do you think about? Emory?I've got some bad news for you.

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I'm seventy six years old. WhenI was a sophomore in high school,
that's a long ways back. Myfirst game at varsity. The coach sent
me in and said, don't letthat end get out. Lean got out
and scored the winning touchdown. SoI'm looking at about sixty some years of

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living with that and I still thinkabout it. So get over it,
Emory. It's just a game.Now. I've got one other comment.
Okay, last week I could Icouldn't get to a phone. Last week,
you were talking about pig Cosso,the painting pig. You remember that,
I do? Okay, do youknow that he only had three legs?

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He was missing his he was missinghis right rear leg Because when you've
got to pig that talented, youdon't want to eat him all at once.
Have a good day, Oh Greg. If you think about anything and

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you have trouble with it, ifyou're having a hard time falling asleep,
you think about things, or maybeyou're good at this and you need to
help me. Because that's what Ineed help with. I'd love to hear
from you. You can call infour two five five eight to eleven ten
and we can talk about it.Four two five five eight to eleven ten.
More on the way on news radioeleven ten kfa B. Seems like
more people or trying to help mewith my own problem of the fly ball

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thing than anything else. And wehave Lyle on the phone line. Four
h two five five eight eleven ten. Lyle, what do you got for
me? Okay, you keep thinkingof that dropping the ball as a negative
thing, Think of it as positive. Your first choice of where to stand
was the best choice, but yousecond guessed yourself and that was wrong.

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So always think of yourself your firstchoice is probably the best choice. I
like that because there's a there's apart of me that I definitely am like.
I did learn from that in alot of ways. It just kind
of I use my instinct a lotmore. I trust my instinct because if
I were to have in that moment, we wouldn't be talking about this right

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now. So I think you're ontosomething there, Lyle. Maybe that's uh,
I just need to think about thatangle of it more right. Yeah,
do that with all of your choices, your first choice is probably your
best choice. All right, Well, Lyle, I appreciate you calling in.
I think that's that's actually really goodadvice. Okay, have a good

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day. Okay. So there's athere's all sorts of different things that you
know, angles in which that wecan talk about on this. And we
did have somebody in our talkback talkabout maybe a way that I could find
a way to get better sleep orfall asleep a little bit quicker at night.

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What were those What does this personsay? White noise free app from
your iPhone and do rain and thunderand you'll go to sleep very quickly and
stay asleep. Have you ever thoughtabout, like, do you have like

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an air conditioner in your room ora fan? I got two fans.
Do you run them all the time? Yeah? Now here's the thing.
I don't like the feeling of airon me. I don't like fans on
me. You can get white noisemakers that aren't actually apps, that are
just little things you can buy,all right, But there's something about like
when the air conditioning kicks on orthe furnace kicks on. Yeah, that

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noise, it's just like it doescalm me down, or it does like
put me into like a situation whereI'm like, oh, yeah, it's
like a protection, almost a forcefield. I'm not hearing, you know,
the college kids across the street slammingtheir doors at two in the morning.
I'm not hearing that helicopter that fliesover my house at the hospital or
wherever it's going. I don't know. I find it to be kind of

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fascinating how the human brain works likethat. Maybe that's what I need to
do. I don't know. Everybody'sdifferent. It honestly completely blows my mind
that some people fall asleep to thesound of a TV. Not a chance
I could do. I tried,okay, And when I'm sick, I
don't like to sleep in the samebed as my wife, or when she's
sick, I won't sleep in thebed because I I like to try to

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separate ourselves. I don't want tospread it as much as possible, you
know what I mean. Sure,And it's actually worked quite a bit.
You know, like sometimes I getsick. She doesn't get sick. Sometimes
she gets sick. I don't getsick. But I like to sleep when
the couch. Got a nice comfycouch in the living room, and I'll
lay in the couch and I'll fallasleep. And when I felt when I

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would fall asleep, the TV willbeyond. But unfortunately, like the light
is usually what wakes me up,like thirty minutes later, and I'll have
to shut it off, even thoughlike the whole plan was to just have
it going in the background to giveme something to hear as I fall asleep
in a strange place. I don'tknow, I guess the moral of this
story is anything that you have goingon in your head, you're definitely apt

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to think about, unless you likeface it head on, or you find
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KFAB. How do you feel aboutthe draw? How do you feel about

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a draw being an option? That'sjust something that we've kind of rejected in
American sports, right except for soccer. Obviously, it's a lot of schools
a thought on it. I do. I like the idea that games are
played until a winner is awarded.I you know, soccer is an interesting

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one because it's it's an endurance sportand you're asking players that don't get subbed
out because once you get subbed out, you can't go back in. Right
at the professional level, that iscorrect. Okay, so the best players
are out there for ninety minutes runningaround plus ninety plus. Yeah, and
they're running I can't remember what itis, but I know that it's they
run more than any other like sportthat has ball and yeah, it's a

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football length field. Very regularly someof the top players, especially like wing
players, who are own up anddown on the edges of the pitch or
field. So they're going like eightk eight to ten k in a match.
I could see the school of thoughtthere being so we have extra time.
Did they have extra time. Maybethey went five minutes five extra minutes,

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so they played technically they played oneextra minute in the first half,
they played five extra minutes in thesecond half, so technically like ninety six
minutes. I could see the schoolof thought there being there's just a point
where there's a diminishing supply of return. Is that how that statement goes?
Sometimes I like to say things thatsound smart and yeah, basically what you're
saying is it's a flat finish forall the work that you're doing. Yeah,

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and I think that it's a lotof work to just not actually have
a result. Well, it is, But at the same time, you
have to consider are we really atour best here? You know? Is
maybe we do call it a tiebecause or a draw or a draw because
we've been out here playing this gamefor this long and at this regulation time

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that a match is played, there'sbeen enough time. I don't know.
I mean, there's schools of thoughtthere. I feel like that maybe is
why they lean towards that. Thereare other games like baseball you could just
go on forever, literally forever.Now obviously manfred Ball that they have instituted
over the last few years, whereyou start with the guy on second,
except in playoff match playoff games,I don't like that. Would you rather

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than finish in a tie? Ialmost would. I don't like anything artificial
like that. Like when they weretalking about kickoffs and they were saying,
well, why don't you just startat the twenty five, It's like,
no, that's artificial. Yeah,yeah, just giving them the ball to
twenty five. I mean they basicallywere doing that with the old kickoff rules.
Now the kickoff rules of the NFLthis year, there's gonna be some
variability because there won't be touchbacks,Like like ninety five percent of kicks will

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be returned and the other five percentare going to be in fractions of some
point. Yeah, on paper,that looks like a really cool advancement of
the play in sport. Yeah.So okay, so you have that right
now. The reason I bring thisup is because I find it. We
were talking about, you know,something that keeps me up at night,

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which is me making a mistake inthe outfield and dropping a fly ball.
You know, for people who areused to the draw, that is like
a like an actual result. AndArsenal was behind Byron Munich two to one
until like the seventy sixth minute whenthey scored the tying goal. Don't you

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think they feel better about the drawthan Bayern Munich does. Yeah, so,
like there's even there's an element tothat right of like, well,
that's not such a bad result,right to me, it's finding victory in
the little things too. Right now, I still sit up at night over

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some mistakes that I made, butI also like daydream about some stuff that
I've done really well and stuff thatlike makes me feel really good. And
I think most people who watch thatmatch that are Arsenal fans feel pretty okay
about that game ending in a draw. Considering how it went, it's pretty
interesting and fascinating. And here weare in this country as saying, no,

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it's not good enough, let's puta runner a second. Or the
NHL is a good example. Threeon three overtimes. What Yeah, they
play overtime for five minutes three onthree before they do a shootout. The
thing is, though, you bothget a point in the standings no matter
what, and if you win inovertime or if you win in the shootout,
you get two points. Now ifyou lose in regulation you get zero

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points. Usually, so there atleast is a reward for getting two overtime
even if you lose, but you'reno longer really playing the same sport.
I would also posit in that theme, and every major sport does this.
When you start making rules that caterto the spectacle, it's all about the

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entertainment. And because the NHL usedto have ties, and this was their
answer to not having ties anymore.My argument, though, is that when
you start making rules that way,that cater to the spectacle, you've lost
the plot, You've lost the point. We gathered together to watch football because
it was an exercise of you know, who's athletically, mentally, all these

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different categories that you need to gettogether, who's more organized, who's better
in all these different ways? Yeah, but you and I like the games.
We liked the games. But thenthey but but but but what about
the casuals that needed that extra incentiveto watch? Go find something else,
like the pitch clock in basketball.That's the thing, though, is they

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get so big they want more andmore and more. I think that there
is a there is the purity ofthe sport to be considered. Now,
Baseball fans would hate me saying thisbecause you know, it's it's kind of
like, well, we considered thepurity of this sport for a long time
and and look what's happened. Yeahit's sinking. Yeah, sinking for a
lot of reasons, but that's oneof them. But I look at the

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NBA, basketball, I would sayis probably my favorite sport. Yeah,
I really don't like the way theNBA has kind of governed itself over the
last couple decades. Like what,I think, there's been a lot of
switching around to the rules to makethe product itself be the most entertaining,
and I think that that's kind ofbit them in the backside a few times.

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Well you just look at the scores. Yeah, second half of this
season, they absolutely change how they'reefficiating the games, right, you know,
they're making the game more physical onthe fly now because they feel like
that's what people want to see.So is that wrong to make it more
entertaining of a product instead of likeand catering to like the capitalism of the

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environment, trying to get higher ratings, more people to be interested in your
sport, or do we care enoughabout the game that we're just like,
we can't make this change on thefly like that these sports became popularized.
Like all these sports have a humbleorigin story. People didn't start playing football
because they're like, hey, let'sstart playing this game and then people will

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want to watch. They did itfor the exercise, they did it for
the competition, they did it forthe triumph. That's true. Same thing
for basketball with the peach baskets.But it was a product over time that
people are like, that's kind offun to watch too, not just participate
in, but watch, And thenover time it gained popularity. But when
you start changing the rules around,oh what's more popular, then, to

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me, it starts to be alittle bit more like the NBE than the
NBA. If you get what I'msaying, are you well, this is
the thing for me is I reallyenjoy wrestling and you have every and I'm
not saying there's anything wrong with it. They do a lot to make sure
that I continue to enjoy it insome way, you know, right,

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so, but I don't know,there's maybe something to that. I just
when you change, like traveling ismy perfect example. The NBA has basically
said, yeah, we'll let youtake three steps as long as you're clever
about it, sort of they that'sbeen allowed by refs. Surely because look

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at all the high flying stuff thatthat's allowed players to do. Sure you
wouldn't see a lot of these crazyhigh flying stuff that we see today if
you had to really strictly go bythe traveling rules that used to exist in
the NBA, which is you couldonly take two steps without dribbling. Nobody
wants to watch all those whistles.You know, why is water polo not
a more popular sport. I loveto watch water polo, but I like
games. I like watching sports,But man, there's a whistle every five

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seconds in that sport. That's theproblem with men's college basketball. Man,
that game last night, it's unwatchable. Yeah, it's unwatchable. In every
four minutes there's a commercial break.Unwatchable if you don't have a team to
root for, I don't know howyou enjoy that. Like, if you
you can't just enjoy watching basketball,there's just no way because it's not good

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basketball. I'm not fun to watchnothing I saw last night in that championship
game, I was just like,man, this is great stuff. I
watched the NBA playoffs, and Iknow the NBA gets all sorts of hate
for not playing defense and all thisstuff. Maybe they're just really good at
basketball because when they go to theplayoffs and play and the game start mattering,
I can't stop watching that stuff.I DVR them all And all of

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this is grain and salt, becauseright now is the most exciting time,
Like we're ramping up into the postseason. This is these next two months for
the NBA. It's such a greattime to be a fan. It's so
exciting, right And I didn't meanfor this to talk about, you know,
basketball and just enjoying basketball, butit's just a matter of we cater
to the entertainment of people in oursociety when over across the pond they it

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certainly enjoyed what they saw in thesetwo soccer matches today for the UAFA Champion
League, and they were both tiesor draws. That that stuff would not
fly here and still be called asuccess, but it does over there and
they enjoy it in game two ofthose series. By the way, now

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is like, hey, you winand you're into the next round and there's
gonna be a lot of intrigue thatpeople are gonna enjoy if they understand the
sport. And that's all I'm sayingis maybe our society doesn't have it all
figured out because we have done nothingbut cater to the entertainment value instead of
the actual competition itself. Has thatlost the plot for the love of the
games, and that's something that Europeanswho love soccer don't seem to have a
problem with at all. Give usthe competition and we will gather around for

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