Pro-Palestinian protests sweep across Ivy League campuses

Episode Transcript

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Got to talk about these these protestsreal quick. And it's Earth Day,
you know. I did you door do you think for Earth Day?
Matt? When you were in school, we would do stuff like what would
you do? What would be itwould be an Earth Day thing you would
do. I remember watching a videoabout recycling. It's a good time to

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teach kids about recycling. Thin.There was like some arts and crafts sort
of stuff, you know, withlike recycled materials. Maybe we would my
mom sometimes would take me and mysister and we'd go like clean up around
our church. Yeah, stuff likethat. Yeah, just little little things.
Yep. Uh. You know youjust learned about how to make the
world a better place. Right.You know. Earth Day is taking on

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a little bit more of a politicalmeeting now because climate change has become this
this lightning rod for political opinion.If you're a Democrat, you have to
have an opinion that climate change isabout to end the world and it's all
man's fault. And if you area person on the right wing, you
have to have an opinion on climatechange that it even if it is real,
it's the Earth doing what it alwaysdoes and we shouldn't be minimalizing our

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economic success just to try to dowhat we can to make climate change less
of a thing. It's hard todescribe, and obviously if you look at
the way people politicize everything, thatturns people off on almost anything that right,
Like, I feel like Earth Dayis a lot less innocent than it

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was in my day because of that. And I this kind of goes to
our social media conversation last half hourwhere we were talking about you could put
anything out there, and if youput an opinion and it's just not quite
the right opinion about something that actuallyis a political conversation, you are going

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to be a villain for somebody outthere. I mean, and it's just
not healthy. Disc It's just peopletrying to attack you, cancel you,
eliminate you from whatever good is happeningin your life. Well, I mentioned
all this because I felt like EarthDay was a great thing that you could,

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you know, just go and tryto make the world better and learn
about conservation and you know, cleanup some trash, to learn about recycling,
recycle different things. Just learning empathy, caring for other people, and
that is something that has been loston this generation of protester. I think
in our country, and I understandI don't want to get too crazy about

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what happened in twenty twenty with theprotests of George Floyd coming out of the
George Floyd death in Minnesota, butmajor cities across the country. That was
just like a rallying cry to reallydisrupt the world, disrupt our country,
and show everyone that the police arenot looking out for everyone's best interest,

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and it became an excuse. I'mnot saying that the cause in and of
itself is noble. Hey, weneed to make awareness that we are being
underrepresented and not taken good care ofby the police. Okay, if that
is how you feel, we cantalk about that. We can talk about
that I've never been racially profiled becauseI am a white guy. Okay,
I'm never gonna assume that people whosay they're getting it racially profiled. I'm

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never going to throw myself out thereand say that I know better than they
know. It's not something I've everhad to deal with before. We can
talk about that. But breaking storeswindows open, breaking in and stealing stuff
and saying this is how, thisis how we're going to get back at
what you've taken from us. Welost the plot there, The message of

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the of the protest was lost.We stopped talking about what reform needed to
have been with their police department,and all of a sudden, the narrative
changed to if you live in acity that's one of these demonstrations is happening,
there's no winning because they are Thesepeople who are protesting already feel like

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the police are the enemy, andthe police are the ones that are being
called in to try to help controlthe crowd. It's disruptors disrupting for no
reason other than to disrupt. It'slike this this fun thing they get to
go do. I witnessed one ofthe notorious leaders of a lot of these
types of protests in Central Iowa once. I was walking my dogs in the

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park in a downtown area and thisguy who I recognize his name because he
had been arrested for, you know, his style of protesting on multiple occasions.
Mostly he was arrested for trespassing orwhatever and didn't put up much of
a fight, and like he wasjust kind of like the beacon for this
and he was gonna he was gonnafight. I witnessed him and a guy

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talking about what they were going todo. You know, he seems like
a decent enough person, but it'spretty obvious he got a kick out of
the adrenaline rush he gets by puttingtogether this plan of like, okay,
and then we're going to go overhere, and then we're going to yell
over here, and then we're goingto talk to these people and then we're
going to meet at this corner andthey'll have no way to like get around

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this, or they're going to haveto address this or whatever. It was
like a battle plan, except notbeing a general and not really having like
a major battle to fight, andit became kind of a thing that wasn't
even about the message of the protestanymore. It came more like, at

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least my interpretation of what he wasdoing and the people who were following his
lead is they found this to besome sort of enjoyable activity that they did
to be loud, disrupting and notoriousin the community. And they did it
under the guise of, Hey,we're just doing protests, like we're peacefully

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protesting, or you know, thedisruption that we're sending is we're blocking roads,
sure, or we're occupying a partof the park or we're going into
the Capitol building and protesting there,or you know, we're meeting on with
police and seeing like agitating them sowe can figure out whether or not they're

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going to actually try to do anythingviolent to us, which ninety nine point
nine percent of police officers now inthe country are not going to. But
it happened over and over again forlike three months because that was the thing
that everybody was doing. It's kindof like our conversation about the online social
media journalists that have started popping upwithout any proper training, The people who
are making, you know, YouTubevideos, just copying what Wikipedia already has

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to say merchants for engagement. Thosepeople popped up with this current crop of
the Internet babies who grew up andhave never had a time in their life
where they and have everything at theirfingertips or on a smartphone like you could,
like, they just have all ofthis stuff and they think it's legitimate.

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This is the way they this isthe only way they know. And
there's a lot of people that copyeach other, and it's kind of like
an imposter thing that goes on andit creates a trend, which is why
you saw that in major American citiesin twenty twenty with a lot of those
protests, like what's happening in CentralIowa because a guy, a bad cop
in Minneapolis killed an African American man. Okay, I think that imposter thing

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is like, oh, well,they're doing it there, we could absolutely
do it here, and we havea good excuse for it now. And
that leads me to what's happened overthe last week at Columbia, and what's
happened to Yale over today, andwhat's happening in college campuses around the country.
Is now all of a sudden,it's becoming louder and louder around the
country for any who wants to havethat little bit of unrest that they enjoy,

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that little bit of adrenaline that theythink that they're changing the world for
the better by doing whatever they're doing. Talking about the pro Palestinian cause or
pro Hamas cause or pro Iranian cause, it depends on how you want to
frame it, but it certainly comesout as anti Semitic and anti Israel no
matter how you slice it, andthe way in which they're doing it,

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which has taken all the staying offof whatever they're trying to talk about,
and they're doing it in a countryby the way that gives them the right
to freedom of protest, but alsodoing it to a country that doesn't pull
the strings for the countries involved inthe conflict. This isn't like Vietnam,
where it was our country there andpeople who were protesting were saying in the

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war that we are in. No, these are people doing this in our
country because it's something to do.It's something to protest, something to get
loud about. It's a lot ofthe same type of people who grew up.
They're probably thirty and younger. Theygrew up in a scenario and I'm
talking. I'm generalizing here. Obviouslythere's going to be some exception to the

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rule, but most of these peopleare on college campuses obviously, or the
people joining them are thirty and youngerwho grew up with the ability to have
the internet, smartphones. They areseeing other people doing this, they are
influenced by them. They don't careabout what they're protesting. They think this
is the way to change the world. Instead of joining the military or doing
something constructive with society. They thinkthe way that they can make a big

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difference is by being whatever the twentytwenty four version of a hippie was in
the late sixties, except the causethat's hot right now to jump onto is
the anti Israel thing. These arepeople in America that certainly don't know the
entire history except what they've been toldby whatever radicals that they are reading online

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or that they are talking to onmessage boards, or they're exposing themselves to
within the confines of whatever woke mentalitythey may have, And this is the
end thing to be protesting. Theycould have been protesting, say the same
thing together in twenty twenty with GeorgeFloyd thing. It's the same kind of

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person. And I sit here andI'm trying to illustrate to myself. I
talk to myself a lot about someof this stuff, and I'm trying to
figure out, is this like athing that is going to continue to permeate
on this topic, or if therewas something else to be really mad about,
would the same congregation of people changetheir tune and talk about something else.

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But to be protesting to our governmentfor some reason about something we're not
even directly involved in, It's justan excuse to me to be out there
disrupting and protesting. Is any ofthis actually going to change the world at
all for the better or is itjust to give you something to do that
you can say you're changing the world. If you have thoughts on it,

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you can call me at four htwo five five eight eleven ten. Four
h two five five eight eleven ten. You also can fire away an email
Emmeri at kfab dot com. It'sfour nineteen. It's news radio eleven ten.
KFAB em resung on news Radio eleventen. KFAB really high fullutant colleges
like Yale, but now it's permeatingto every college campus because every college kid

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that read a book once decided theywanted to try to save the world by
protesting against Israel for some reason,as if our American government has anything to
do with that, even though I'msure they were, you know, educated
about the Holocaust and how the Jewishpeople have been persecuted throughout history. There
are so many different layers to this, and I don't even want to debate

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the Israel part of it. Butto finish my thought on actual protests,
I I have this thing in theback of my head of if I wanted
to protest properly and get the attentionof someone, how would I do it?

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And you're congress people who have alot of you know, legislative abilities.
They they tell you, you know, you can call an email anytime.
That's not necessarily a definitive way toget a hold of them, because
there are some of them that getinundated with that sort of thing. They
can't answer all of them. Imean, Matt Case, we sit here,

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we work for a media company.Do you answer all your emails?
Do I answer all my emails?Yeah? Uh? Like, well,
what do you mean? I mean, it's like, if you get like
fifty emails in a day, howmany of those are you replying to?
How many of those are you evenreading? Well? I read in reply
to the ones that are pertinent tomy job, but I'll get ones that
are more like you know, sentto everybody that maybe don't ness necessarily pertain

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to me, and so I don'talways give those right the same. Look,
now, what about like, okay, so how's the kind of percentage
of those that you would say thatyou're just like, you're pretty quickly you
know that you're not going to beinterested in and reading in full or you
have no need to. I Honestly, I would say most of the emails

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that I get are pertinent to myworkflow and my job. Well, I'm
going to tell you for me,and this is with my listener emails too,
and I appreciate hearing them. Iread all of them. I do,
but there are many other emails thatI probably receive over one hundred emails
a day easy, and if Ihad a secretary or a staffer like a

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lot of these politicians do, tokind of go through that, and I'm
not going to see probably eighty percentof my emails because while I tried to
read and talk to as many peoplevia the email as possible, it's hard
for me, you know, withinthe confines of a four hour show,

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and even when I'm just sitting inmy office when I'm not getting those emails
to do what I'm trying to do, and also, you know, keep
track of what my show is goingto be in everything. Imagine being a
politician and having all this stuff they'reworried about and having like at least one
person a buffer all of that contactinformation, whether you call or you email,
it's not necessarily a slam dunk thatyou're actually going to have your message

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reach the person that you're trying toreach. I understand that, but how
would would be the best way foryou to protest if you will something,
I think you make yourself so muchmore approachable for a conversation to try to
get your point across when you actuallygo out of your way to create a

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movement that is built around genuine concernor even empathy. Like if there was
real empathy this for the people ofPalestine, the people in Gaza, the
people of the Muslim faith who arein Israel that you might believe or being

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persecuted for some reason you're trying tosupport a Palestinian state, then these are
issues in policy issues that you couldtalk about and there should be an audience
for that. It could be adiscussion. You might actually make a little
bit of hey by having a discussionwith true empathy, Because I know when

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somebody comes up to me and theyhave an empathetic tone in their voice and
they have something that maybe they're concernedwith that either I'm talking about or I
said, or I've done in variousjobs, I have way more respect because
I'm not generally going to just beangry at them if they're not coming to
me with anger themselves. But Ithink I speak for most everyone. Again

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generalizing here, but if you comeat me with anger or trespassing or law
breaking, or sit ins or outsidesit ins or whatever you want to call
what these people are doing trying totake over these campuses. They can't even
have class at Columbia this week inperson. They have to do it all
virtually. Imagine being a student therethat isn't trying to mix it up in
this, or even worse, aJewish student on campus watching this all happen.

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Not even only are you fearing foryour safety, but what about that
education that you paid for, thatcollege experience that you wanted to have,
and the fact that you got intoan Ivy League institution, And this is
the kind of thing that's happening.It's insane to me that they think this
is going to change the mind ofpublic opinion. The court of public opinions

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got to all of a sudden swingin their favor, and people aren't just
going to talk about how spoiled andhow ungrateful and how uninformed these types of
protesters are, and how almost zeropercent of the time it wins. More
protesters like ones that I she cando something about it. Sure, you're

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gonna get those imposters around the countrythat are like, oh, that looks
like fun, let me do that. We can act like we're saving the
world even though we may not knowanything that's going on in the Middle East.
Yet we're gonna disrupt society in away that makes us feel like we've
actually accomplished something, even though weknow. At the end of the day,
folks, the people that are workingwith a functioning brain that might be

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informed, that could sit down fora conversation, if they did have real
empathetic viewpoints of what's going on there, we might be able to have that
conversation. They don't want a conversation. This is all for show. It
has been all for show, andit's going to continue to be all for
show until I see something otherwise thatis going to tell me, Okay,

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these people aren't just looking to disruptsociety, They're actually looking to change something.
I'm not getting that vibe from thesepeople at all. You can call
us a four h two five fiveeight, eleven ten, four thirty is
the time. It's news radio eleventen kfab and Marie's songer on news radio
eleven ten kfab anti Israel protests specificallywhich are happening on college campuses, surprise,

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surprise, around the country, andwe asked for your opinion. Let's
get to it. Four two fivefive eight eleven ten. Four two five
five eight eleven ten. If you'reinterested in calling and being part of the
show today, let's start with Sandy. Sandy is on our phone line.
Sandy thinks for the call today,What are you thinking about? Hi,
thanks for taking my call. Ijust think all of these kids that are

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protesting, they have no clue what'sreally going on. And if they think
our country is so bad, theyshould go to these countries and see how
they would be treated because these protestsa lot of people, a lot of
countries would just go ahead and executethese people. So I feel the same
way about this as I do theyoung kids that think socialism is the way

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to go. You could cure socialismpretty quick with young kids by saying,
Okay, we're going to spend amonth here and when you walk in,
give me your cell home will determinewho you get to talk to. But
there's no social media, there's nothing, right. Yeah, So Sandy,
this is the thing and I hatebeing this way because it's a form of
agism, but people and I wasthe same way when I was growing up.

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You get to a certain level whereyou start to be independent thinkers and
you just think in your brain thatyou just know more than the rest of
the world knows. And I reallydon't think it's about Israel, Sandy.
I think this has everything to dowas just thinking that you know better than
everyone else, and this is somethingto do, I really think. So
I don't think I don't think thesepeople are serious enough about their protests or

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the reasoning behind their protest for themto want to go somewhere else. That's
why they want to be here,because they know they can get away with
it, right, And I agreewith you, I don't really think most
of them know what's truly going onover in the Middle East, and I
don't think they understand what their protestsis. And the other I guess the

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other thing that I have a questionin my mind is where are their parents?
Well, it's crazy, Yeah,Well I think you know, Like
I said, I think this isthe twenty twenty four version of whatever was
going on with the Vietnam protests inthe late sixties. I think it's the
same type of person. It's justa couple of generations later. And it's

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just like I don't have parents.As far as I'm concerned, I'm on
my own. It's I don't know. I'd really like to get behind the
scenes somewhere and just be able totalk to some of these people. They
don't care about being talked to.That's the problem. They don't want to
talk to anybody. They just wantto protest or however. Appreciate the call,
Sandy, Right, yep, youbets. Yeah, let's go to
Mark. Mark's on the phone line. Mark, thank you for being on

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the show. You're with Emery NewsRadio eleven ten kfab Hey, thanks for
taking my call. I just wantedto point out two quick things. One,
there are Christians in Goszeits not justMuslims. Christians in Gaza had there.
The third, I can't remember now, it's either the third or the
fourth oldest Christian church in the worldwas damaged by US bombs directed by Israel

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during this since October seventh, Okay. And the second thing I wanted to
mention is the US is very involvedin this. As anybody who's paying attention
to your news. We are supporting, we are funding the starvation of Christians
and Muslims in Gaza. You know, we put on this fake show of

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putting on a landing by sea ofsome food, but the people in Gaza,
the two point two million people inGaza need one hundred trucks of food
and water a day to maintain theirlives are starving to death. Okay,

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So I guess Mark, my biggestquestion would be, and I absolutely understand
where you're coming from on this,and obviously there are people in the crossfires.
I mean, you can go allthe way back to October seventh where
some Americans were among the hostages thatwere taken out of Israel by Hamas.
But I think my biggest question wouldbe, what do you think the United

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States as a government should do?Knowing Israel as an ally, I think
that I think our current government shoulddo the exact same thing that our honorable
President Reagan did when he saw onTV the Israelis bombing a Palestinian refugee camp

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in another country to their north.When he saw that on the news,
he called up his advisors, foundout that it was really happening, and
he called I think it was Monokombegan the leader of Israel and said,
you will stop bombing those refugees,those civilian refugees, or you will not

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get any more weapons from US.Now we supply sixty nine percent of their
weapons. Right Well, Mark,that's a lot of power with that country.
Sure, And I think Biden himselfis doing some of that with the
leaking of that phone call to Netanyahulast week and where he basically told him

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don't retaliate against Iran, but hedid. Anyway, he's trying to make
sure the American public, at leastthese young people who are generally going to
vote left, are aware that heis trying to get them to slow down
their fighting. At the same time, Mark, and I understand what your
concerns are with all of this,is Israel does have a really good reason

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to defend itself after the things thathave been happening over the last eight months.
Right Well, I don't know thatthey're defending themselves or that they are
making the war that they've been thatthey started seventies what seventy six years ago
a lot worse? Did they startthe war seventy six years ago, or

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did people in the Middle East thatwere not a fan of the way that
the divvying out of what happened afterWorld War two or in the wake of
World War Two? Did they startwith more of like the angry propaganda of
colonialism. Mark, I'm just I'mconfused. I understand your concern. I

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want you to know that, andI'm glad that we're talking about this,
but I don't I dinversation. Idon't understand, though, how Israel is
being vilified here from any any legitimateangla outside of the ones like you said,
of being very not lackadaisical, butvery heavy handed with their bombing,

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especially in areas that they know civilianswould potentially be in. Other than that,
I don't know how Israel doesn't havean opportunity to defend itself here considering
what happened to them when Hamas ransackedtheir country and killed a thousand of their
civilians in October. Well, ramstacking is a pretty strong word, are
you sure, Mark? They killedone thousand, one thousand people than two

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hundred people, and they took whattwo hundred hostage? Over two hundred hostages?
Yeah? And how many has Israelkilled now? Mostly civilians, mostly
children and women? Mark? Youdon't. I don't think that that's accurate.
I think that that has happened.I think that has happened as part
of larger attacks. I don't thinkIsrael is creating or or committing war crimes

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out of nothing. Here again,we're talking about how awful Israel's attacks were
in this conversation, and not thatHamas in what they did on October seventh
was worth defending themselves for. Likewe're talking as if that was not worthy
of trying to Okay, we haveto eliminate the enemy because they literally had

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a thousand civilians killed right underneath theirnose. They did not have their guard
up, and they paid for it. They had over two hundred hostages taken
away by this terrorist group that areknown terrorists. And now they're just trying
to defend themselves and also do itin a way that's going to prevent something
like this from happening to Israelis inthe future. And I just don't know
why that's a bad thing. Okay. Well, I studied the South Africa

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situation a little bit back in theday when it was a hot item,
and I think, you know,if you're looking for a solution to the
problem. A two state solution isnot the not the way to reach peace
in that part of the world.Because Israel is case can too much Palestinian

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land. They cannot. They willnot allow Palestinians to build an airport in
their second country if they would haveone. They won't give them access to
the ocean, if they would letgods have autonomy, because they won't.

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They never will. And something,you know, history, I love history
before Israel was formed. Do youknow what was going on in that part
of the world. Jews, Christians, Muslims, they lived next door to
each other, they talk to eachother. They I have to kind of

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up right, No, Mark,I have to wrap this conversation up,
but I just want to clarify asquickly as we can. Here. You're
saying, basically, the institution ofIsrael out of World War Two was really
the catalyst for the issues that wouldbe permit over the last eighty years or
so. I think that's a problem, and I you know, let's get

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down to the core. Why wasIsrael created. I think it was because
Britain and other countries wanted the Jewsout of their country. They wanted them
out, and this is how theygot them out. Wow, Mark,
loaded stuff. But I always appreciatehaving a conversation that's going to give us
different perspectives and viewpoints. And Ithank you for calling us today. Hey,

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Okay, they're paid to do this, and I'm not, so I'm
not going to pretend like I knowbetter than them, but I tend to
think that this is the kind oftrial that creates a little bit more of

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a difficult scenario for a juror.We saw two jurors last week get removed
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said that they had not been arrestedor weren't close to anybody who was

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arrested, even though they were ableto go back in do their research,
and the DA found out who thisperson was and they were lying about that.
In fact, they were arrested fortearing political signs down. So that's
probably a double or triple whammy onthat front. And then another person said,
my family figured out I was oneof the people that was on the
jury based on the physical descriptions andbackground descriptions that were put out there by

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the media, and I just Iwas already being kind of influenced by what
they were saying about it, andI just I can't do this. I
can't be fair and unbiased anymore.And I really just shouldn't be doing this,
which I can respect. I woulddo everything I could. I know
it's your civic duty. When you'recalled for jury duty, you're supposed to

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go there. You're supposed to giveit your best go This is a case
I want nothing to do with ifI'm a potential juror the fact they found
eighteen people who apparently they were allall parties were okay with them being a
part of this in some regard thatthink that they can be fair and unbiased
when a former president and a currentfront running candidate for president is sitting right

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in front of them with a casethat I would imagine most of them are
at least somewhat familiar. There maybe a couple of exceptions to that.
And we are supposed to believe thisis going to be as completely fair in
a judgment as possible. So anythingthat happens with this jury is going to

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make headlines. And one of thethings that happened today was the first thing
that we were told was Juror numbersix had a toothache and had a dentist
appointment, so we had to adjournat eleven thirty Central time. It was
twelve thirty Eastern time when they adjourned. That's a very limited day in court.

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Obviously, it's going to be longdays if you're one of the people
that are there. I just couldn'timagine. I'm not that kind of person.
I'm not the kind of person thatjust sits there and just loves to
listen to every last witness. I'mnot the kind of person that to hear
the drama or the tears or theanger, because most of that stuff doesn't

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really matter when that stuff happens.Now. Obviously, if Donald Trump were
to take the stand in this trial, you would love for that to be
documented in some way so we couldsee it. We're not sure one hundred
percent that's going to happen, butfor people who are sitting there, those
are long days. You know,you're in court for five six hours at

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a time. And they were toldexplicitly by the judge today that you're not
supposed to say anything to anybody elseabout this. You're not supposed to research
anything else unless you are here.You can't ask questions, You can only
take notes. And this is thisis the life that you're in right now.

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Avoid reading anything about this except forwhen you're in here. So can
these people do? Do? Ihave a lot of questions about the person
who had the dentist appointment today.The anonymity that these people are supposed to

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have on the jury is incredibly important, not just for the case itself so
they can't be influenced, but fortheir safety too. The climate of politics
in our country right now is sohostile and volatile you really wouldn't expect or
think under most circumstances, somebody whois a juror in a case has to

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fear for their safety outside of potentiallypeople who are family members of the defendant
or plaintiff, people who are closeby. You know, I watched The
Wire on HBO, you know thatshow where some people would show up and
kind of make their presence known,and their presence being in the courtroom would

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change certain people's testimony under oath,you know, at a TV show.
But you know, you know thatfear probably exists for some people who are
on the jury. Witness protection programsfor those who testify. It's a very
sensitive situation. Yet this one isexacerbated because I would say a large chunk

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of America is incredibly passionate about what'sgoing to happen the election coming up in
November. I would say most ofAmerica knows who they're voting for already.
That's just the nature of politics rightnow. If you're a Democrat, your
team Democrat, no matter who.It is same for the Republicans. So
you are going to have people,especially the Trump fanatics or the anti Trump

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fanatics, which there are an equalnumber of, certainly, that are incredibly
radical on either side. I'd bescared to death for my family, for
me if my identity gets found out. I'm not interested in Juror number nine
today showed up and had the samethought I thought about it this week,
and I'm not sure I can dothis. The media coverage it's too much,
and I don't know if I canbe a part of this now.

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They eventually talked to this person andshe stayed on the jury. But I
know that's how I would feel ifI was in that room on the jury
there. But now that the openingarguments occurred and they were what you think
an opening argument would be one sidesays, this man is guilty. He
lied on his business records. Hewas running a campaign for the president of

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the United States. This is afelony. The other guys came up and
said, look, NDAs are notillegal. Influencing an election is not illegal.
Everything that he did is not illegal. He is innocent, basically.
And then there was one witness,the first witness. His name's David Pecker.
He's a former publisher for the NationalInquirer. And it took the stand

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briefly and he will resume his testimonytomorrow. How does that work? Right?
Like you, you know, canyou maintain like your thought in that
situation. I'm not sure there's alot of pressure here, but he basically
is going to you know, talkabout from the National Inquirer's perspective, as

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they were a big part of thisstory with Stormy Daniels back in twenty fifteen
sixteen, as the Trump campaign forthe first time really was ramping up toward
the twenty sixteen election. And we'regoing to learn more about this and the
evidence is going to start to comeand when things happen, we will report
them to you. But we're thinkingsix to eight weeks at least for this

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trial, and Donald Trump every singleday he's going to come out of court.
I'm sure he's going to say somethingto the press that he's gathering outside
the courthouse, which, again,oh Man to be one of those people
not great. It was a longdays for very little return. But what
they're going to capture out there ishim saying this is a sham, this
is a witch hunt, and Ishould be on the camp campaign trail.
And Joe Biden does get a legup because he gets to be in those

(39:57):
swing states. He gets to showup to pa Sylvania and Arizona, Nevada
and North Carolina and try to winsome votes for those states that are going
to be the deciders of this upcomingelection. There's no doubt about that.
And if even if Donald Trump isfound not guilty here, what damage has
done to his campaign and his candidacy, If indeed he loses two months off

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the campaign trail for this trial,and who knows what else is going to
happen litigation wise, especially if there'ssome sort of complication with the trial itself.
Maybe this will work like the indictmentsworked in the poll numbers where he
was indicted, people were like they'reout to get him, and his poll
numbers went up. But that happenhere as more details start to fly in
a courtroom, I guess time isgoing to tell if you got thoughts that

(40:44):
I'll try to take a call here. Four two, five, five,
eight to eleven ten. We'll alsotalk a little bit more about the ideals
of our current Republican leadership in theHouse of Representatives, because Marjorie Taylor Green
over the weekend made it very clearMike Johnson's days are numbered as the Speaker
of the House. That's on theway on news Radio eleven ten KFAB.

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On news radio eleven ten KFAB,we're paying close attention to the way that
the government is operating, and bygovernment, I mean the United States government,
because I think it's so interesting ona day to day basis some of
the stuff that comes out from ourgovernment officials who we consider to be leaders

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of our country. We elect themright, and gosh, there's a lot
going on, man, there's alot going on. And one of the
things that's going on that might bekind of sliding a little bit off the
radar or under the radar is thekind of real momentum. I think that

(41:58):
public opinion is getting and I'm notsaying this is a majority, but I'm
saying that there is a significant numberof people I think that are paying calls
attention to Mike Johnson as the Speakerof the House, because we have now
set the precedent in our government thatif you are the Speaker of the House,
there's a really good chance that yourjob isn't safe for the entirety of
the term of the Congress. Itused to be, but after it took

(42:22):
thirteen plus votes for Kevin McCarthy justto get the gavel in the first place,
because the Republicans were not unanimous ordidn't have we're on the same page
over who should be the guy.Then he takes the gavel and then just
you know, six seven, eightmonths later, pressure's mounting that he's not

(42:43):
doing enough for that harder right factionwithin Congress, and a group of eight
Republicans go ahead and they vote.They vote straight up to the opposite side
of the of the isle and say, hey, guys, Democrats, do
you want to vote with us becausewe are going to oust Kevin McCarthy.

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Now, you would think it wouldbehoove the Democrats at the time to have
a little bit more of a moderate, more easily you know, central figure,
even if he is a Republican todo that. But no, they
understand that they're merchants of chaos anyway. They would love to see the infighting

(43:28):
within the Republican Party no matter whothe leader is. So yeah, if
it's a more conservative leader, cool, But yeah, well, sure,
we'll vacate the House speaker position.There's always a chance that you guys mess
up enough that we end up gettingto have our own person there. Okay,
that's cool. So they did that, and then it took three weeks

(43:50):
to figure out who was going tobe the successor. And after all that
in fighting and although the talk ofbullying, and we had people on this
station, you know, calling forDon Bacon to resign because because he's not
doing anything for the Republicans or theconservatives of his constituency here in the Omaha
area. Again, just straight chaosbecause Don Bacon didn't go along with the

(44:10):
Jim Jordan thing. Well, MikeJohnson has been the speaker for all of
what like five six months, maybenot even And our friend Marjorie Taylor Green
is just she just won't won't letit go now again, there are answers

(44:31):
that Mike Johnson and Republicans need tohave when it comes to what happened on
Saturday when there was a vote forthe new Foreign Aid Bill, which is
ninety five billion or so dollars.We'll outline the bill, but we'll also
outline what the reaction has been becauseMike Johnson wasn't the only Republican in favor

(44:52):
of this. Are the Republicans whoare not in favor of it angry enough
that they're going to vote to ousthim over this one bill. I'll try
to give you the best answer Ican and get into the mind of somebody
like MTG. Coming up next,Emery Sunger with you News Radio eleven ten
KFAB. Emery Sunger on News Radioeleven ten KFAB. The Chicago Bears have

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the number one pick in the NFLDraft, and I love the football.
I love sports. I love distractionsfrom the real world in a lot of
different ways. It's entertainment. Idon't know what people did for fun two
hundred years ago, but darn it, this is a fun thing to be
a part of, and I'm excitedto potentially see my favorite football team take

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a lot of our minds off ofwhatever bad this is happening in our lives
or our world, and they getthe number one pick. They'll hopefully take
Caleb Williams with the number one overallpick, and he'll be the franchise quarterback
for the next fifteen years. That'sthe ideal scenario. But it's just fun.
You know what's not fun is thinkingabout politics and trying to figure out

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what the heck's going on with theRepublican Party in the House of Representatives.
Representative Marjorie Taylor Green from Georgia isstirring the pot again and I again.
I know there are gonna be peoplewho are listening and they're like, well,
I actually like her. She standsup for stuff, She puts her
foot in the ground. She lovesto make noise and stir the pot.

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I don't think it's bad to havepeople like this in politics. I really
don't. I think in the rightscenario, a table flipper here or there
is really important. You know,Alexandria Cosio Cortez does it for the Democrats,
and Marjorie is kind of the answerto her on the right. But

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Marjorie is going so far to doingthis that it is actually damaging the future
of the Republican Party as we knowit. And I'll give you I'll give
you some examples here. And thereason we're talking about this is because the
rhetoric that she is spreading, andshe hasn't acted on it yet, but
she is recruiting Republicans, staunch rightwing, hardcore conservative Republicans in Congress to

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join her to leave Mike Johnson behindas the Speaker of the House. It
will only take a few of them. Remember it was a group of eight
angry Republicans that got Kevin McCarthy oustit. It's never been done in the
history of our country to remove aspeaker like that. Didn't even last a

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year. It's been less time forMike Johnson. But Marjorie doesn't like what
Mike has done. And this iswhat she said on social media. Before
I get to the Marjorie stuff fromher voice on social media, she went
on to asks and this is whatshe posted said and this is pretty long
winded, but I think all ofit's important for the context of the conversation.

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Marjorie says, we have a Republicanmajority because Republican voters get it to
us. They want us to stopthe Democrat agenda and implement our agenda.
That's our job, and we toldthem we would use the power of the
purse to do it. Speaker Johnsonmade three betrayals. He fully funded the
Democrat agenda, spending more than Pelosi. He reauthorized FISA, personally blocking the

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Warrant Amendment, and spent ninety threebillion dollars to fight foreign wars to defend
foreign borders while our own border isinvaded daily and Americans are paying the price.
Currently, we do not have aRepublican speaker. We have a Uni
Party speaker giving the Democrats everything theywant and passing major bills with Democrat votes.

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A motion to vacate in order toelect a new Republican speaker does not
hand the majority over to the Democrats. The only way we lose the majority
is if Republicans leave, are expelled, or Republicans hand the majority over to
Democrats by voting for a Democrat speaker. Now I'm going to stop there.
I'll get back to what she saysin a second, because she's trying to

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defend everyone's saying that there is achance that this is going to lead to
a Keem Jeffries and he's the leaderof the House of Representatives for the Democrats.
He may end up finding a wayto be the leader of the House
of Representatives and take back the gavelfor the Dems even without control of the
House by election. But you haveto remember there have been multiple people in

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the Republican Party that have been eitherexpelled George Santos or left Kevin McCarthy.
And there are seats that are goingto be filled here. But even more
importantly, there's an election where theseseats are up for grabs in November.
Okay, so there isn't an obviouslike oh yeah, yeah, no,

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we're going to be good here fora while. From Marjorie here, this
is her just trying to explain thatthis infighting, it's not going to hand
the gavel to the Dems. It'snot going to give them a majority or
control. And this is her math. She says, all three of those
are choices Republicans should not make unlessthey want to hand the majority over to
the Democrats, then they themselves wouldbe to blame, which she's saying if
Republicans that are in the House rightnow want to leave because of what's going

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on. It's their fault, theDEM's god control. It's not anybody's fault
for creating the chaos that has ledto this insanity in the House of Representatives,
she says. Currently the House istwo hundred and seventeen Republicans and two
hundred and thirteen Democrats. That's afour person majority. There are four special
elections coming up. One seat willgo to a Democrat, three seats will

(50:29):
go to Republicans, she says.Then the House will be two twenty to
two fourteen. She says, Ihaven't seen people this angry since November of
twenty twenty. They feel absolutely betrayedand are disgusted. They are tired of
being led to by Republicans. Wehave to fix it. That's what she
says. Is her heart in theright place. I don't disagree with any

(50:52):
of that. Right. If youare a conservative voter, you want conservative
ideals to be had when you havea conservative majority in one of the chambers
of Congress, ideally both chambers,then they could work together to pass things.
Ideally, you'd also have the executivebranch to work with. Unfortunately,

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the Republicans do not have that.So what is the bigger picture here for
Marjorie though? It's she wants tobe the very loud and obnoxious Republican that
shows her constituents that she can dothis while gaining fame and notoriety in the
same vein that Donald Trump did inpolitics. The thing is, Donald Trump

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actually did stuff with his life beforehe got into politics to accomplish basically everything
I think he wanted to accomplish beforereally making a run for the presidency in
twenty sixteen, and has maintained hisability to be into the forefront ever since.
And who knows if he were tolose this election somehow in twenty twenty

(51:58):
four, and we're far enough,it's hard to know he could hang around
for another four years. Who knows, We don't know, We don't know,
and we don't know what the futureof the Republican Party is when you
don't have a lightning rod for thatkind of energy out there one way or
the other. Right, there's neverbeen a Democratic candidate that was that polarizing.

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Yeah, you could say, oh, well, Barack Obama was.
When Barack Obama ended up getting polarizingas his presidency wore on because everybody hates
who's been in power. The samepeople who championed for Obama were those who
felt the same way about George W. Bush. The people who felt that
way about Obama and hated Obama wereprobably Bush supporters. They felt that way

(52:49):
about Clinton in the nineties. Thisis just society in general. There is
allowed uprising to something that has beenaround for so long you get fatigued by
it. The Donald Trump real hatedidn't really start until he was actually elected.
There were people that hated him,sure, but they were so confident
in cocky the Democrats that they weregoing to win that election in twenty sixteen

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that you didn't have that kind ofvisceral reaction to the point where, Okay,
now we just got to throw theguy in jail, or now we
have to find a way to createrules that are going to actually help the
Democrats win elections into the future.Those rules certainly are going to be up
for debate for decades and centuries beyondnow. But is it smart to follow

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Donald Trump's rhetoric when you are somebodylike Marjorie Taylor Green, who is one
of four hundred and thirty plus peoplein the Chamber of the House of Representatives
and your answer to Mike Johnson,who seemingly is passing things with more of
a centrist perspective, which is verystrange considering his reputation when he got the

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job was he was going to bea very Trump like, hardcore conservative.
But that's just not how American politicsgenerally has worked in the past. You
do have to work across the aislesometimes you do have to understand that there
are things that you can do.So, yes, he passed this,
but maybe the idea that maybe youcould pass something else. Now, what's

(54:15):
really irking Republicans about this foreign aidbill is that there was nothing attached to
it that could have put southern borderprotection in there. Right, It's the
same thing that the Democrats just absolutelyrefuse to do as well as well,
we're not going to pass this thingin the Senate to help fix the southern

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border because if you want to passthat, you're going to have to pass
all this foreign aid bill stuff toUkraine, and obviously that was a no
go. That's the game that we'replaying. That's the game that is played.
If you want anything to ever getdone, sometimes you have to make
compromises. I know, I getkilled for that from some people who don't

(54:57):
understand that there are going to bepeople that disagree with you that you have
to work with in your life,and sometimes it's better to accomplish something than
nothing at all while hating each other. That's just where I'm at. So
I'd love to hear what Marjorie TaylorGreen thinks about vacating the speakership having no
backup plan, knowing how chaotic itwas the last time, and what she

(55:19):
imagines is going to get done ifshe decides to pull the trigger on that.
It makes no sense to me.It makes no sense. Sure,
Mike Johnson might be losing some supportfrom the way that he's handling his leadership
position, but to just decide,okay, every time a leader in our
party decides to do something we don'tlike, we're just going to remove him.

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We're going to vote him out.We're going to vote him out of
that position, and then have abig fight about who's going to be the
next leader, because that's what we'vealready done. We've shown the American people
that's how the Republicans work. Howwell do you think that's going to translate
to the independent voter who will decidewho has control of the House and the
Senate and the presidency in no ventthe Republicans are looking like clowns, at

(56:02):
least the ones that decide that,oh yeah, the best way to answer
that is just by making more chaos. Doesn't make sense, It just doesn't
make sense. We'll wrap up theshow for you coming up momentarily stick around
every songer with you on news radioeleven ten kfab