Deal or No Deal?

Episode Transcript

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I've talked a lot about Israel andHamas. Israel said that they are going
to go after Rafa, and theytold one hundred thousand people basically by dropping
flyers from the sky and told aone hundred thousand people in Rafa get out
of the way because we're gonna startdoing stuff here. Matt, can you

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do me a favor as a mathematician, We started hearing these in mid February
that Rafa would be in the crosshairs, and Rafa the reason it's significant,
southernmost legitimate city in Gaza, butalso kind of the place where a lot
of Palestinian civilians kind of fled toas the fighting began in the West Bank.
Mid February is how many months agoMid Februaries two and a half months

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ago, So two and a halfmonths. Israel's kind of been saying,
oh, look out, We're goingafter Rafa, and then quiet look out,
or we think there's something in Rafawe gotta go do, We're gonna
go do that, and then quiet. Well, last week we talked about

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a potential ceasefire deal that was twoparts, two phases. Broke it down
for you and how the fighting couldpotentially be stopped what they called a sustainable
piece essentially between the paraphrasing, butthe two sides are discussing that, and

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that means different things to different people, right, and that's why Egyptian and
Katari mediators helped put this thing together. Israel said that works for us.
The two phases. Phase one islike thirty or so hostages released from Hamas
back to Israel. Israel releases Palestinianprisoners. If that goes well, they'll
move to phase two, which couldbe the sustainable piece that we're talking about

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here. They'll stop fighting for asfar as we know long term, and
the rest of the Palestinian or sorry, the rest of the Israeli hostages would
be released by Hamas and then alarger number would be released from Palestine,
sending in prisoner numbers from Israel.Well I spent all morning on my Des

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Moines show basically talking about look out. Hamas took credit for striking an area
on a bridge that took out forIsraeli soldiers in Israel's like fine, okay,
okay, and then they sent outthese immediately sent out these flyers to

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people in Rafa, in a sectionof Rafa and said hey, we're going
to conduct a strike in this area, life or death. One hundred thousand
people basically got that and said,Okay, we better go, We better
get out of the way here.And that was starting to happen as they
started to think we got to getout of here and here between this morning
and this afternoon. Matt, canyou do me a favor, Can you

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tell me the time in Jerusalem rightnow? I can look that up?
Sure, thank you. Where allthis is happening, Because when you're talking
about things as they happen in war, there is no time that is off
limits, per se. But Ithought I was kind of in the clear
for today's news in the Middle Eastbecause it's now ten thirteen pm, so

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late in the evening there, earlyin the afternoon here. We are now
getting a news update essentially that Hamasis agreeing to this framework which has been
put together by Egypt, Qatar.Israel has accepted. They accepted last week,
but now Hammas says they're coming tothe table and saying yes, we

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agree. Right, So, assumingall the i's are dotted and the teaser
crossed and Israel officially signs this thing, even after Hamas killed four of the
soldiers, even after they continuously threatenedHamas and basically told one hundred thousand people

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in Rafa to get out of theway. Things are happening here now and
now sounds like Hamas says, okay, okay, okay, uncle. Maybe
the United States cautiously optimistic here asfar as our federal government is concerned,

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as far as our executive branch isconcerned, President Biden and Benjamin att Yah,
who spoke today on the phone thatwas scheduled to happen. It had
not happened until the last few hours. But as you would think, until
everything is dotted, crossed and p'sand qed Benjamin et Ya, who says,

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we're doing it like we're going inuntil otherwise something insane happens. He
has apparently told our government that heis vowing military Operation Rapha. However,
right now in the United States is, according to sources within our government,

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pausing aid to Israel for the moment. Again, this is very new news
this afternoon, and it is goingto take some time for us to really
know the truth. I don't knowabout you out there, but the numbers
that you hear from Hamas than thingsthat you're hearing from Israel, the confusion
that might be taking place with thedifference in the news and how it is

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being reported in a variety of ways. That is what we're going to be
paying attention to us the afternoon unfolds. Hopefully we'll have more details for you
as we move forward. But abig development here if a ceasefire is agreed
upon, if Israel officially does signthis thing, they say okay, we

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can go forward with this. Tryto get a level of sustainable peace here.
And again it's war ladies and gentlemen, So everything that we see on
paper, there might be things theypull out of this, things they put
into this. They might walk awayfrom the table altogether once they start to
actually make these negotiations. Egypt andQatar are the ones that are at charge

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here, and who even knows howmuch you can trust what you're hearing from
those sides, even though it seemslike from multiple sources they've been saying the
same things. Hamas allegedly this afternoonour time says we are going to agree
to this ceasefire agreement. And nowif Israel says okay, we'll see if

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they back off this RAFA situation andwe'll see if that ends what we know
as this war for at least thetime being. And what does that do
for these protesters around college campuses inAmerica and what their reaction is going to
be to this deal? Well theyfinally let up, Will they finally say
Okay, everything's good now, Okay, we don't hate Jewish people? Now?

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I have my doubts. I guesswe won't know until we get further
into this thing. But the news, the latest news that we have is
that Hamas has officially, according tohis statement, they are working to agree
to this proposal. And here's thequote. The fighter brother Ishmael Hanye,

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head of the political bureau of theHamas Movement, had a phone call with
the Katari Prime Minister, Sheikh Mohammadbin Abdul Rahman Altani and with the Egyptian
Minister of Intelligence mister Abbas Kamel andinformed them of the Hamas Movement's approval of
their proposal regarding the ceasefire agreement.End quote that's from Hamas. We haven't

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gotten official confirmation from Israel yet,because of course, the ball will now
be in their court once Hamas hasnow officially come to the table and This
is in the midst of a Rafaevacuation sent by Israel Information to try to
get civilians out of the area becauseof a promised military operation. And in
Rafa, well they stop. Timewill tell you got thoughts on this and

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what this might end up doing tothese protesters in their their movement now as
well, now that Hamas says,Okay, we're willing to go to the
table, I guess we're going tosee you can call us four h two
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Radio eleven ten KFAB. But there'sstill a ton of people protesting on these
college campuses, even though it seemslike Hamas wants to end this at least

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for the time being. And we'llsee if Israel what their attitude is as
they're going to come to the tablehere after seven months of war. But
they've officially canceled commitment commencement at Columbia, even after saying and vowing essentially that
this was not going to get intheir way of what they were planning to
do. They've officially called it offand they say they're going to do what

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they can to have small celebrations Isuppose, And there are people at different
colleges, like have you heard ofPomona College, Pomona College, Southern California
institution, and they are now puttingup an encampment today starting at five am

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on what they call graduation lawn.A Stage four commencement is in the process
of being constructed for commencement and theirpost and their chance or no commencement until
divestment, because they want all ofthe university to divest of any Israeli based

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companies or any companies that do businesswith Israel or have been donating to the
Israel cause. Ugh. Even theselittle tiny colleges that nobody's ever heard of
are doing this. Emory University.Have you heard of that place, Emory

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University but the wrong spelling of EmoryE m r Y. They're in Atlanta
and they're now moving their commit toa suburb because of safety and security concerns.
George Washington University in DC. Theysay the they're trying to figure out

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what they can do now. Iwas in DC actually last year when they
did their commencement, and they doit like right in the shadow of all
of the like the memorials and allthat stuff. It's really really cool.
Like if you were, like ifyou went to George Washington University and you
wanted to get a good education,and then you had a commencement ceremony that

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was going to take place in oneof the great moments of your life.
Right there and the Washington Monuments justlike staring right at you feet away.
I mean, that would mean somethingto me. I don't see it all
the time, but it would meansomething to me. Well. Washington d
C. Mayor Muriel Bowser said todaythat Washington DC's stance remains unchanged regarding these
protests. Her quote was, welive in a city and where our job

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is my constitutional responsibility is to makesure that people can safely protest, and
if they don't, then to supporta law enforcement interaction. Now, the
president of George Washington said that what'shappening on campus is no longer a peaceful
protest. Her name is Ellen grandBerg, and she says, I fully
support and encourage our community to speakout and engage in controversial and critical dialogues
on these crucial issues, as longas they occur within the limits of our

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university's policies and the district's law.However, what is currently happening at GW
is not a peaceful protest protected bythe First Amendment, or are university's policies.
So what's going to happen next?Are they going to be able to
get on the same page with lawenforcement and this university and try to get
these protests to settle down? Andwhat happens again, if Hamas and Israel

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come to the table they both agreeon an extended ceasefire deal that could potentially
lead to sustainable peace in that areaat least for the time being. Well,
that then disperse some of what's happeningwith this group of protesters on the
country, specifically on college campuses.Did you know today they've already arrested fifty

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people on the campus of you seeSan Diego? I mean, come on,
what are we doing here? CongratulationsAmerica? Like if you were a
college kid that went to a littleschool and you never thought that anybody would
see or see what you're doing orwhat you would do would matter, Well,
you're making the news now. CongratulationsPomona College, you see San Diego,

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Emory University in Atlanta. I mean, Matt, how'd you feel if
you were about to graduate you havenothing to do with any of this.
And now they're saying your commencement iscanceled? Would that bother you? That
hurt you? I know'll tell alot of people graduation just kind of a
mad thing. But to me itwas a big deal, Like that moment

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walking across that stage and getting thatdiploma, the photo that I get to
look at if I want to rememberthat, like, it means something to
me. What about you? Igraduated twice, went to one of them,
So you're batting five hundred. Yeah, it is kind of a I
don't know, less of a bigdeal to me than others. Not gonna
lie. So if they canceled it, would would you be like me?

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I'd be like, hey, uhmeans my Sunday is free. Well.
University of Chicago assistant professor today wentto the media and said this is absurd.
Spoke to other faculty and other facultiesare a part of a group that
is called the University of Chicago Facultyfor Justice in Palestine. So this is

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like the adult version or the teacherversion of what the students are doing at
these campuses. And this person namedIman Abdelhadi says, and I quote I
think it's frankly absurd that universities arecanceling their commencement addresses in fear of a
few students doing innocuous things like sayingfree Palestine, or holding up a sign

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or wearing a cafea around their necks. It really speaks to the incredible fragility
of this system that is seen asa major threat. End quote well Iman
ABDOLHATI must not understand or hear alot of the far far radical speech that
is saying things like we are Hamas, death to Jews, death to Israel,

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from the river to the sea.I'm telling you, guys in the
faculty of these colleges, you don't. You're not You're deciding what to hear
and what not to hear. Andyou could say that about the other side
too. I'm not saying that amajority of these people are trying to peacefully
protest, but the fact that evenone person, let alone a small group

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within the larger of the group,is saying things that are legitimately anti Semitic,
death to America, death to Jews, really putting fear into people who
are of the Jewish heritage, andjust like not hearing that as a faculty
member and being like, well,this is yeah, come on, we
can still do our commencement. Tonedeaf, totally tone deaf. But this

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is why they live in their littleuh. We kind of talked about this
with the UH with the girl who'sbeen probably in college for a really long
time and she's getting a PhD insomething that the only real job you can
get is to be a professor inthat department after you graduate. Some people
just like the bubble in which thesecollege campuses are, whether it's the free

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thought or the left leaning rhetoric,or just the ability to throw these wild
ideas out. And now that alternatereality that these people think they have,
including these professors, is now leakinginto the public mind, and they are
just so tone deaf as to whatthe rest of the world is seeing or
hearing about them. They just willnever understand. If you got thoughts on

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this, you can call us Atfour h two five five eight eleven ten
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Amas basically saying to Egyptian and Katarimediators, hey, we accept this the
terms of the ceasefire and what theparameters were and again that could be adjusted.
We're waiting on Israel to officially signas well, and that could change

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a lot of things, not justthere, but diplomatically as well with different
countries in the way that they're talkingwith Israel, but also with these student
protests and all the stuff that couldfall out once the fighting at least for
the time being ends For now,well, our phone lines are open for
you to call in at four ohtwo five five eight eleven ten. Four
oh two, five five eight eleventen and Mark is on our phone line.

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Mark, thanks for the call today. What do you think is going
to happen with all this? Hello? Hey, you hear me? Emory,
Yes, sir, Mark, youare on the air. You know
I'm getting I'm sixty six years old. It's from my life. I heard
so many times Israel has been attackedby Amas and this and that, and

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they'd signed peace deals and Israel fallsfor this time. I'm I'm gonna tell
you, and you're gonna hate tohear me say this, but they deserve
everything they get in the future.Well, what do you what do you
suggest they do otherwise than Marks hisjob? What I mean? But what

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what parameters to to what parameters eliminatehim ouf. I know they can't do
it one hundred percent, but theyhave to finish his job and watch her
back in the future. It's suitand tieting here on them cave every time.
Well, and they get stabbed inthe back by him out. Yeah,

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So I think Mark, and thisis just an interesting perspective because they
said that they want a decisive victory. They are not going to stop for
anything other than decisive victory. Andit makes sense considering that they were sitting
ducks and we're not ready for whathappened to them on October seventh. But
I think the court of public opinion, not just with like the protesters,
but a lot of the different countriesand nations that help them with as an

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ally, are warning them against,you know, killing too many civilians and
being too reckless with the way thatthey do things, because that, I
mean, it's no longer defensible ina lot of ways just to be killing
a ton of people, including civiliansthat are just kind of in the way
and not necessarily directly connected to Hamas. What do you say, you Mark,

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to somebody who says they've already killedthirty five thousand people. How many
more do they possibly need to killto eliminate this threat, because the threat
probably is going to remain no matterhow many people they kill. I understand
that, But you got to finishthe job. They got to quit back
and down. Every time they backdown, they get stabbed in the back.
They got to stop it. Thishas got to be the end.

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That's interesting. You can kill onehundred thousand people, they have to finish
it. You know. Another problemwith Israel they listen to too many countries,
especially US, and I understand wehave their back. We're the biggest
country or strongest country. They gotto start to take care of our own
people, just like us. Wedon't take care of our own people.

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Just touch it to the border,right, this is getting old. Something's
gonna happen. It's gonna tell youwhat if they seek this time in twenty
twenty four, this could be theend of the United States. We're not
going to put up with this.Well, well, Mark, and I'll
say this, and I'll let yougo on this. I think that it's

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important for us to remind mind ourselveswhy we are tied to them. But
you're right, I think they areempowered, specifically with the fact that they
have us as a part of thisconversation. Right, there's like, well,
we got we got the big badbullies that'll come help us if you're
going to keep attacking us, andwe'll keep doing this. But if we
start we and in some of theseother countries start to pull our support,

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would there be a difference in theway that they would do things. I
guess only time will tell. Shehad to call Mark and the thoughts on
that. Lonnie's on her phone line. Lonnie, appreciate you calling in today.
You're with Emery Songer News Radio eleventen kfa B. Thank you afternoon.
I apologize, I just got onif this has been brought up before,

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but it took Biden ten days toyou know, comment about the stuff's
go on to colleges and George WashingtonUniversity. I guarantee you within two hours
of the peace or you know,they're they're signing this uh fease fire,
he'll be on the air claiming thathis an administration negotiated this peace treaty and

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everything's they're you know, they're doingand everything. Take credit for it.
Maybe somebody said it already. Iapologize they have, but yeah, guarantee.
No, nobody's brought that up.I think the it's an interesting point
because we are what six plus monthsaway is from uh like about six months

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from the election, Lonnie, andhe's gonna have to start racking up the
victories the best that he can andtrying to say that he had something to
do with all this, especially notto us, but like to the voters
that are generally Democrats that hate theway that he has handled this Israel thing.
Right, and he's I mean,but I mean strategically, that's the
play, isn't it. Like,no matter what his role was, he's

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got to say, well, hisadministration had something to do with that that
I mean anybody would, right,Yeah, but you know he said it
took in ten days to to doanything or comment on the schools, And
no, you're right, it'll beimmediately tonight when if it does happen,
it'll be immediately like I did this, look at me? Sure? Yeah,

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And it's just like I'm glad thatour administration was able to talk Benjamin
Eett and yah who off the ledgeor whatever? Yeah, Because yeah,
it's interesting, Lonnie, that's agood point. Appreciate you calling in.
We'll be on the lookoutter that forsure. Yeah, let's get to George
real quick. George, thanks forthe call. What's on your mind about
this? Hey? But I thinkthey just need to leave Israel alone.

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The United States and World War twoand four cities killed over two million civilians,
but no military targets. Nobody's batterthan I. We've killed seventy five
thousand minimum in Afghanistan, about anotherone hundred and twenty thousand innocent civilians in
Iraq. I know, if youhide your war machine and your population,

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your population gets destroyed with you.That's just the way it is. That's
just the cost of war. Well, and that's the that's the whole human
shield thing, right, just havingyour headquarters in a place that if you
get attacked, you can immediately claimthat there's international law being broken because Israel's
attacked civilian places. But it hasnothing to do with Israel attacking civilians and

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has everything to do with you hidingamongst civilians. Absolutely, And if you
do that, if you use apopulation as guards, you know, human
shields, and they get killed,that's on you. That ain't on the
person you're at war with. Yeah, I go, it's it's you know,
people are sold. It might soundhard, but you go to war
to win the war af ass andeverything doesn't solve a problem. You have

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to finish it. We didn't letthe Nazis say, okay, you know
we've come this far and you justsurrendered. Okay, we're good. We
didn't do it with the Japanese.We didn't do it the British. We
didn't do it with anybody else.You go to war, you win the
war so it doesn't start again intwenty years. Mmmm hmm. That's a
really good point. How many warsthat ended without a legitimate victory for one

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side of the other just kind ofpicked back up one like just a maybe
not even a generation later. It'sit's a it's a good point, George.
I appreciate the call. Man.Right, all right, we'll continue
this conversation. You can call usa four oh two five five eight eleven
ten four h two five five eightto eleven ten. Israel. Maybe they
accept the ceasefire deal with mos Maybethat ends the sustained fighting that we have

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seen since October between Hamas and theyare proxy groups and Israel. We'll find
out. If you've got thoughts onit four O two five five eight to
eleven ten, News Radio eleven tenKFAB. It'll be a hostage exchange over
multiple phases if Israel officially signs thedotted line, which they keep talking about

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wanting to actually go after Rafa andtrying to figure out exactly how serious they
are about that, because they've talkedabout that on and off for the last
two and a half months. Butwe're getting your thoughts on this whole thing.
Four two five five eight to eleventen is the number. Jeff is
on the line. Jeff, thankyou for being on the show today.
What's on your mind about this?If you talk to anybody that does infantry

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tathtiques, the thing they hate theworst is house to house fighting, particularly
when civilians are involved. And that'swhat Israel. Israel has been doing from
the day one, and the worstpart of it is Hamas is using the
civilians as human shields. When theywant to leave a building, they take
fifteen kids and women with them,and how do you work with that.

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It's that's the biggest problem there isliberating to people finding the Jumas fighters.
They're eighty thousand Hamas fighters in Godsipthey've only killed twenty thousand, maybe twenty
five thousand, so they're still workingwith sixty thousand Hamas fighters. That's the
problem, Yeah, nomend Israel.Yeah, and Jeff, That's the thing

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that a lot of people are talkingabout here is even if they do surrender,
even if they say we're done,how can Israel be sure that that's
the end of their issue, becausethere's way too many numbers still there and
available to pick back up this causeif there is another fortuitous opportunity ten years
into the future, twenty years intothe future, it's never going to feel

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safe if you're in that region.I just no matter what the situation is.
I appreciate the call, Jeff,good stuff there as always. Let's
go to Jim. Jim's on ourphone line of four h two five to
five, eight eleven ten. Hello, Jim, what's on your mind on
this? I'm kind of the sameway there. I don't think there is
going to be any Shee's fire inthe future. Yeah, now, temporary,
but then once they build back upagain. You know, I've been

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in there since I've been a littlekid. They've been fighting, and they've
been fighting way before, way beforethat. Yeah, and I just think,
right, Jim, and I thinkthe the biggest of these issues that
we're talking about here is that theideologies of these people aren't really negotiable.
Like you're never going to have peoplewho are a pro Palestinian state idea and

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a pro Israel person in or aZionist as some of them like to call
and and basically say, hey,you know what, we can get along
and coexist here based on the currentdeal and the current arrangement with the way
the map is, you know whatI mean clothing right, It's just you're
never going to get those two sidesto ever agree on anything because of how

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deep that hatred or that jealousy forthat area is. And so you're right,
I mean, it's probably going toexist, but as long as the
current arrangement there, it's going tokeep happening, even if they do agree
to a temporary ceasefire. And nowthere's new generations now that correct, Yeah,
And if this generation says we're good, the next generation gets they'll just

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forget all these rules. They don'tcare, they're going to go to the
next That's exactly how World War twogot started. I mean, a generation
got removed and the next generation saidhey, we're not done here and decided
that they were going to go goback after all those people that came after
them the first time. Appreciate thecall their Jim. Rob's on the line,
Rob, thanks for the call ofyour Themory News Radio eleven to ten
kfab Damn. Yeah, just startedgoing on the terms of allless stuff like

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that. But how many hostages youthink are really still alive? That's a
great question. So they say theyhave you know, upwards of you know,
like seventy to one hundred hostages.Again, this is information they are
giving, so who knows how accurateit is. The first wave though,
they said somewhere between eighteen and thirtythree hostages would be released to Israel in

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exchange for Palestinian prisoners. So ifthis does get signed by Israel and that
first phase goes, I guess we'regoing to get a good idea of that.
But I that's a great question,Robin. And what health are they
in? Are they going to beable to survive that long and seven months
of this of this battling and thiswarring, and they have probably been treated
pretty poorly this entire time. Youwould imagine that's a great question. I

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have no idea. Yeah, So, like I said, it's furs the
terms and everything. So I guesswe'll have to wait to see if this
goes through and how long it lasts. Yeah, and hopefully we get more
intel if it does get accepted inthat first phase. I think is going
to be important because it's multi phase. I think it protects them a little
bit on what the story is goingto be on that. If you want

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to call us and you want totalk about this, you can four two
five five eight to eleven ten.The full line still blowing up a little
bit here, and we can talkto Moss in Israel and what this ceasefire
could potentially mean, not just overthere, but over here as well,
with these protests that are going onand this growing hate of Jewish interests.
I'd love to talk to you aboutit. So four oh two five five

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