What's it like to be on the Trump trial tury?

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World Metrology Day. If you're wonderingwhat metrology is, it is for sustainability.
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World B Day. We need weneed the bees to be survivals for
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kill bees, watch out for beesand bees they are speaking of bees,
speaking of stingers. Oh what astinger. Today in court for former Donald

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Trump fixer Michael Cohen, latest oneof the latest questions asked by defense attorney
Todd Blanche because they're still cross examiningthis guy. By the way, Blanche
says, you lost your law license. Is that President Trump's fault? And
Michael Cohen said in heart, Andthen Blanche had to ask whether or not
Trump had anything to do with taxcrimes and false statements that Cohen made to

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a bank, and Michael Cohen hadto say, no, sir. Then
Blanche had to confirm with Cohen thatif you're convicted of any felony, you
automatically lose your law license in NewYork. Cohen says Trump is at fault
for him losing his how's that spostso work? That doesn't work? What
are we talking about here? It'scrazy. Michael Cohen, also under oath
today earlier about an hour ago,said that he had to admit on the

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stand that he took money from theDonald Trump organization, just stole it.
He confirmed it. Yet he's notlying about that anyway. Every single thing
that we heard on the cross examinationon Tuesday, everything that we're hearing from
the cross examination today, and there'sa lot of it. There is an
awful lot of people on both sidesof the aisle, especially on the left,

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that are like, Okay, thiscase is lost. Now lost lost,
I tell you. And as faras the case is concerned, it
is what it is. But ifyou think the case it's not. Judge
one Mershon started the day by sayingnext week he expects to have closing arguments.
So stuff this week still and thennext week closing arguments. Here's my
question, Hey, Matt, howlong would you be willing to sit on

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a journey for a case like this? I mean, every single day,
this is your life, and they'reprobably sequestered. I imagine they I mean
imagine if they saw certain people everysingle day walking in and out of that
courtroom, they would figure out whothe jurors are. They'd figure it out,
you know what I mean? Mmhmmmm, Like like if they were
walking in and out of the samedoors every single day, you know,
the media, they'd be like,ooh, there'd be little Twitter journalists that

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are like I have deduced which twelvepeople. They would figure out the identities,
what they looked like. And thenwhat they would do is they would
do their super sleuthing on social mediaaccounts and everything to line up every person
with what we know about these peopleand their vocations, which was public information
based on the forty one questions theyhad asked to get there. This is
way too long. This is whatnot I would call a speedy trial.

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How much of what we've heard overthe last six weeks has made any difference
whatsoever to anyone as far as thelegalities of this situation are concerned. It's
really the Coen testimony and that's it. But then the cross examination has basically
made him look like an absolute moron, as we expected that to happen.
So now what do we do.We've wasted our time. We've wasted our

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time, and time is all wehave in this world? Isn't it?
Time and love? And there's nolove in this core room? Mmm mmm
mmmm mm hmm. And maybe theyneed a little you know, Oh,
all of these people need some love. Anybody needed more hugs when they were
coming through their childhood. It's thecharacters that we're talking about here, and
that it goes for the lawyers.I mean, who is so tortured to

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be like, yeah, you knowwhat I'm gonna do. I'm gonna be
a defense attorney. I'm going tobe a prosecutor. I'm going to be
a judge one day. Well youhope they had noble hopes at one point.
Terrible in these jurors, you know, you just get picked basically randomly
out of society. I'm telling youwhat, I do not care about civic
duty in this case. I donot. I'm not sitting on this jury.
What do you want me to saythat will throw me out of this

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court room in a minute, Like, I'd rather get arrested than serve on
this jury. I'll start spitballs.I'll launch spitballs in one Mershwan's vicinity.
How fast do they kick me outof court? So full on nine year
old tactics. I mean, ifI have to, I mean literally,
if I had to, So you'regonna make fart noises when the people start

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sitting down. Oh yeah, no, no, not even just that.
I would literally not shower for theduration of the trial. I would not
change clothes. I'd come every singleday looking the exact same. That's going
all in. I mean, myunderwear will have stuck to my you know,
my nether regions. It's been onthere for so long I can't get
it off. Yeah, I dothat and protest. And where's do you

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think that they'd be reporting on me? Sure? A number eight? Real
smelly. We're only a week intothis trial. Embrace having some real issues.
That'd be me. You know whatI would do? I would I
would out myself to the media immediatelyif they wanted me to be on this
jury. You know what I'd do, I'd run outside of the courtroom and
be like, my name is EmorySager. I live at blah blah blah

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Street in New York City. Iwork here. Please tell everyone who I
am. They'd have to kick meoff the jury. Then, wouldn't they
well, you think you'd get introuble for that? They don't. They
have to sign some sort of likeconfidentiality agreement. I don't know how to
read. Can you prove that youknow? That? Is? That's I'm
gonna remember that next time, becausehow do they prove you don't know how

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to read? There's no way Icould be making stuff up the whole time.
Mm hmm. I mean all theyneed is an ID to like ID
me, and I can't fake that. But like, I mean, you
could if you really wanted to tryto get yourself in trouble. But I
would use a real ID. Butthen I'd just be a nuisance. Get
me out of here. I donot want to spend eight weeks of my
life sitting here listening to this.BS. You do not want me to

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be on this jury? And thenMarshaan's like, yeah, that'll about next
week for closing arguments. Yeah,none of us have anywhere to be.
We have nothing else to talk about. Stupid, stupid, dumb stupid.
You know would be funny is ifwe could actually see some of this that's
happening, I might feel a littledifferently. Be able to use like the
audio. Yeah, stupid. Anyway, it's a Monday, as you can

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tell. I am a little firedup about it. But there's your update
on Michael Cohen. If you wantto be a part of our conversation,
you can four h two five fiveeight eleven ten. Four h two five
five eight eleven ten. We aregetting breaking news that the prosecution has rested
their case, which means that theyare done with their witnesses. They are
done sending people up. It's nowthe defenses turned to call whoever they want

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to talk to, and their firstwitness is Daniel Sitko, a paralegal in
the law firm of Todd Blanche.Todd Blanche will be doing the questioning.
I guess we'll find out what that'sall about. But now we're into the
defense part of this whole thing,and that's officially underway. Michael Cohene is
done, the prosecution done, andnow it's the defense turned to call however
many witnesses and blah blah blah.If you want to call us, you

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can four L two five five eighteleven ten. We'll talk to you next
on news Radio eleven ten kfa B. You can call us talk about this
stuff, because I was talking abouthow awful jury duty would be, especially
for something that would take this long. Four L two, five, five,
eight, eleven, ten is anumber, and we got Dale on
the line. Dale, welcome tothe show. What are you thinking about?
Well, what I'm thinking is Iwish I would have thought of this.
But years ago I was in thejury pool and thankway, was not

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ticked. But young man was askeda question by one of the lawyers do
you think lawyers and judges are honest? And he answered no, I think
you guys wrong, crook it Andthey said you can lead too. Yeah,
that's a that's a sure fire awayto not have to worry about any
of this stuff, that's for sure. I thought, Yeah, that's an

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ideal answer. I appreciate that.Yeah, No, I mean I think
I may use that myself. He'snot lying, right, I mean,
come on, let's be realistic.I don't I hate being that guy,
but gee, wait, what what? Why why do I have to do
your work for me? Like,like, why why do I have to
sit here and listen to all thiscrap? I don't care about these people

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anyway, Dale, appreciate it.Thanks for the call thank you, yeap,
Matt. At what lengths would yougo to get away from being in
a jury in this situation? Youknow, I wouldn't really go to a
whole lot of you do it?Yeah? I think it would be one
of those where you know, sometimesyou may not enjoy the experience, but

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you're grateful for it. That couldbe your jury experience. It's it's it's
it's a special thing. You know, it's a special thing. It's a
unique thing. To lose weeks ofmy life, this would be ah,
oh sure, but then you canlook back and say I was on that
jury. That's that's a story peoplegather around for every time. Nobody wants
to know that. Oh, comeon, do you think any of these
twelve people are eighteen people including thethe the eighteen people if you include the

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six alternates, you think any ofthem are running home and saying, guess
who'll guess who convicted Donald Trump?Or guess who acquitted Donald Trump? It
was me. Nobody's going around andsaying that. You think you think the
jury of any high profile case isgonna feel that way? No? Really,
no, why would they? Ijust I why would you be proud
of that? Because as soon aslike the public knows they're gonna come after

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you, I wouldn't be proud orunproud. I would just be interested and
grateful for the unique experience of itall. Even though Okay, so like
if you were on this jury afterit was over, would you go around
telling people whether you convicted or acquittedDonald Trump? It really look I think
that we're framing a lot of thisin the terms of Okay, so one

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example outside of all of this isthe OJ Simpson case, where now that's
a jury I wouldn't want to beon because regardless, you're gonna leave that
situation feeling like a lot of peoplefeel like you you did a bad job
or disagree you know, you knowwhat I mean, Like you're going to
like one large group of people angryone way or the other. Right,

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that could be the same here,it could be it's probably going to be.
But I don't know. Am Ijust jaded? Like what do you
do these days? That doesn't dothat? Uh huh? That's not a
reaction to something every I mean,I am so jaded all by hyperbole and
overreactions. But but what who careswhat people think? Yeah? And that's

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that's true. What do what dowe all generally like, who what can
you do that will help? Likeeveryone feel unified in some way except for
a reaction to something like these peopledid this to us, This tornado did
this to us. This happened,that was out of our control, and

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we need to help this person.Like that seems to be the only thing
that you like truly unifies people.It doesn't make like, what act could
you do independently of anything at thisstage of the world and not have a
group of people angry that you didthat? I mean, that's fair.
That is fair. Phone line's going, Doug's got the call, Doug,
Thanks for the call. What's up? Oh? I just wanted to know.

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I was on a jury many yearsago. It was a big drug
case and the case lasted over fourweeks, and so by that time you
hear everything you could ever imagine hereto trial. The judge we had at
the time was in the federal jury. He actually let the jurors ask questions
of the defendants and the other lawyers, and this is it really made the

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case rather interesting because sometimes we haveto go out of the courtroom for a
while while the judge conferred lawyers aboutthis. But it was a very long
and arduous process. But luckily wehad the advantage of having bags of money,
bags of cocaine, photographs, recordings, and video of the defendants,

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so it was not difficult to achievea verdict on the case. But the
point is is a very long,difficult process in this Trump case. There's
only that thing here for evidence.It's all mostly here stay and opinion.
There's very little real, physical,actual evidence in this case against Trump.
Well there's physical evidence, Doug.The problem is none of it has anything
to do with I've charged him withSo yeah, okay, well it's right,

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right, Yeah, I don't know. It's interesting, Doug. I
appreciate you calling in a last thingfor you though you're calling us to tell
us that you did this. Didyou ever at once fear that you were
you being on this jury, youwere going to be in danger if you
convicted this person. These were verybad people at the SOD did cross my
mind, but back then just thesystem worked unlike today. Yeah, that's

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fair enough, fair point appreciated,Doug. Thanks for the call. Have
you watched the wire? I havenot. Have you heard of the wire?
I have? I believe I watchedthe first couple episodes many years ago.
Yeah, it's an HBO show fromlike the early two thousands, and
it's like well reviewed. It's oneof the people call it one of the
greatest TV shows ever. I watchedthe first season. Let me tell you
something. First, of all ourlong TV show episodes, I'm I'm not

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that guy. You want me tosit through hour of hour after hour after
hour to follow this story, andnow you're making me sit through like seven
seasons of hour long episodes. I'mnot that guy. I'm not gonna put
that much time into your TV show. If I'm gonna watch hours of a
TV show, it's going to bein little snippets. And that's why I
love twenty to thirty minute long TVshows. But anyway, my point is

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I did watch some of The Wireand part of like one of the ways
that it starts in spoiler alert ifyou haven't seen the first couple episodes of
The Wire, Uh, here here'swhat one of the things that happens is.
But it starts with Idris Elba,great actor. He's sitting in the
courtroom and there's a witness on thestand for a drug case. And the
witness sees him there and then change. She changes what she is saying because

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she knows that she'll get got ifshe gives on its truthful testimony in that
scenario. I know this is aTV show that would freak me out too.
People who would be in court beingable to see me, whether as
a witness or as a juror,and then being like, Okay, that's
a target going to take that guydown because he did something I didn't like.

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I don't want to be that guy. I don't. I already feel
like being a talk show host inOmaha, like some people have a target
on my back. If some peoplethey go on social media and they say
bad things about me, had Ihad some people make deep fakes of my
voice saying pro Nazi prop propaganda.That's troubling. Yeah, I mean obviously
it's like people would listen to thatand know that that's not true. But

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it's still crazy that people are doingstuff like that, right. I couldn't
imagine being in like a situation likethis where you could convict somebody and put
him in prison. It's wild tome anyway. If you want to call
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