Friday 4: Most Debatable Topics

Episode Transcript

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Because it's bau Olivia. They playeda slightly more capable opponent in Panama and
got beat two to one on Americansoil in a major championship, major tournament.
So now Matt Case is my produchere, I'm directing this at you.
Now, guess what has to happen. They have to beat Uruguay to
give themselves any chance at all ofadvancing. You know how good Uruguay was.

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They just beat Bolivia five nothing andlooked like maybe the best team in
the tournament, better than Argentina andBrazil potentially. I bet America beats them
four to two. Ain't happening?You want to make a bet? Yeah,
we didn't make any bets on theCOPA. I'll bet you box of
oameal cake rolls. I don't wantSwiss cake cris. I don't like those.
I don't like those about anybody barszebra cakes? No, what do

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you say? Not anybody bars?Yeah? Those are good, like the
two guys in the in the littleYes, those box of those? What's
the sakes? Are you saying thatUnited States beats Uruguay at all? I
think the United States beats them fourto two. I don't even need this
specifically. Do you think the UnitedStates beats Uruguay four to two? I've
seen the future. That's why I'mvery confident. Do you think they win

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at all? Whether it's one nil, three to two, I don't care
what it is. Do you thinkthey win? Yeah, I think they
win. I think they lose.And if it's a draw, we split
and it's just a no on andvoid deal deal. If it's a draw,
we have to we have to giveeach other boxes of cosmic brownie.
Okay, so we're definitely buying something. Okay, you still own me a

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box of Omeal cream pies anyway.All right, So there's that. The
next game, what is it?Monday? At Arrowhead? They play at
Arrowhead next. That's that's that's theUruguay in the United States. Yeah,
for the US's life and the tournamentbasically, Yeah, at Arrowhead on Monday.
And if you're a US soccer fan, and you should be if you're
not, what do you think theyget in prices? Is right? Now?
For that? I checked. Actually, if you want the best of

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the best seats, you're gonna bepaying several hundred dollars. But you can
get decent seats I think last checkchecked for about eighty bucks. All right,
so let's just run through these realquick. Let's run through these USA,
Uruguay, Arrowhead and Kansas City.Fifty eight. No, that's parking,
sorry, fifty eight to park.It's fifty eight dollars to park.

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There was a guy when you weretalking about parking at the CWS the other
day, a guy called in andtold us that, remember that's what he
said. He said, when Igo watch the Chiefs play, I gotta
pay fifty eight dollars to park.What are you for real? Yeah,
nosebleeds eighty dollars at least, andthat's without fees yet. I'm sorry.
I'm going to a World Cup game. I'll pay the money for the World

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Cup game. I don't care he'splaying. I want to see a World
Cup game, okay, and bearound the atmosphere. Copa America, all
due respect to the United States ofAmerica, I'm not about to pay one
hundred dollars to drive down the Arrowheadhave to pay sixty bucks just to park
my car to watch them lose toUruguay. I'm sorry. Ain't happening lose
to Uruguay. Yep, it's they'regood, dude, they're good. We
just spent the first five minutes ofUS in the five o'clock hour on a

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Friday talking about soccer. But thisis what happens when the US loses.
Everybody's talked about the America losing inthe debate. Well guess what America lost
on the soccer pitch last night.And that was even more embarrassing. A
lot of losses for America last night. Not good, not good, embarrassing.
Anyway, speaking of debates, Iwanted to talk about what are the
four topics that you most would liketo see be debated? Right? Like

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we watch political debates, what ifwe televised the debate about something you were
actually interested in? You know whatI mean? You want me to start?
You want to start? You start, and all interrupt? Okay?
Number one, what is the bestsport ever? Ah? And we can
get like it doesn't have to beone v one. I can get four
or five of them out there.But I have to disc I'll tell you
which sports are going to get theinvite. You know what sports get the
invite? Baseball? So I gotto have a baseball representative. Australian rules

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Football Australian rules football is going tohave a seat at the table. Incredible
sport. You have to watch it. Soccer is going to get an invitation
because it's conjured up more passion thananything in the history of the world,
including politics. Basketball has to beinvolved. And just for argument's sake and
for the ratings, American football.Those are the five sports that are getting
the call. All due respect toice hockey, but I would watch a
five person debate debating the merits asto why each sport is actually the best

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sport in the world. Makes sense, We follow number two best city in
Europe. Now I could use somehelp on this. What would even be
the in the conversation like best cityin Europe? But we It's not like
you can't find little nooks and crannycities, right, I need like the
major cities, the London's, theRomes, the Paris is who is involved
there and who gets that invitation?Amsterdam? Maybe is Amsterdam? Maybe a

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second level? Is that like thepre debate if you can if it's a
fine, if it's the four bestcities in Europe and those four seats are
there for those four people for thisdebate. London absolutely without question. Rome,
absolutely without question. Who are theother two seats? Is it Paris?
Do we give Paris one of thoseseats? Or is Paris overrated?
I wouldn't know. I've never beenme either, But like, this is
why I'm asking because I don't know. This is why I would watch the

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debate because I don't know. I'dlove to know, and then I could
make I could I could build mynext European vacation around the best city in
Europe. After I watch this debate, I'd throw Athens in the mix.
I just don't think it gets thesame kind of love because of how eight
I love the ancient part of it, but I also know that it's not
in the same kind of shape thatmaybe a Rome or a London is in.
I'm going to say, like London, Paris, Rome and kind of

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like an offshoot one, you know, I would say Amsterdam. I'll go
ahead and throw Amsterdam in there.I'm going to Spain, Madrid in Barcelona.
So maybe I'm a little biased,But I don't need them there because
I'm already going, you know whatI mean, But I'd already been there.
I don't need your opinion on it. I have my own opinion.
It makes sense, you follow me. Sure, I'll get to my last
two and we'll get to Matt caseis coming up. Think about it.
If you want to join the conversation, we'll take some calls to four h
two five five eight eleven ten topicsyou'd like to see debate it nationally televised

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debate and you'd watch it because you'reinterested in the topic. Calls four h
two five five eight eleven ten NewsRadio eleven ten kfab Emery sunger On news
Radio eleven ten kfab. Best cityin Europe. I have four seats for
that, London, Rome, Paris, and I threw an Amsterdam. I'd
throw in one of the Spanish cities, but I'm already going there, so
I'll have my own opinion in notso long. Number three best athlete ever,

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best athlete ever? Right, likelike I'm open to anything to get
through qualifiers like a like the primaryright we had like fifteen guys and gals.
Like let's let's narrow it down,right, but will narrow it down
over time, Like I'll watch allthese debates. I need a who would
be Who's the best athlete? Comeon, come on, give me a
couple, give me a couple ofOkay, yeah, that's definitely one.

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Who else like Jim Thorpe? Dowe get Jim thorp in? There?
Can somebody argue for Jim Thorpe.I think there's a great argument for Jim
Thorpe. Would Dale Earnhart no athlete? I just yeah, I'm just used
his left He used his right foothis left foot two for the clutch and
his hand to shift gear? Ishey, best mustache from an athlete ever?
He's up there, him and RichardPetty both right, Yeah, okay,

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maybe not the NASCAR guys. Idon't know Tiger Woods. Is he
the golfer guy? We need agolfer asterix though? Because he was on
he was on the juice. Ohgeez, Now we're gonna and so now
Barry Bonds can't be involved, doesBabe Ruth? Do we go? Babe
Ruth? This is the thing we'regonna need. Every sport is gonna have
to narrow it down to one specificperson. And if it's best athlete ever,
I think Michael Jordan Lebron James,that becomes a debate because we're talking

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about athlete, not necessarily basketball career. You know, what I'm saying.
Yeah, I mean you could throwyou could throw in a lot of different
like like Dwight Howard would have arealistic conversation if we're talking to athlete,
Michael Phelps is a great one.But yeah, we would have that debate
bolt, yes, yeah, yeah, yes, you got it. You
got it. Now every sport kindof narrows their guy and then we see

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what happens and last best rock band, and again I would need the same
thing right like I would need erasI need like sub genres, and then
we narrow it down from like fiftyslowly down until we get to like a
four or five person debate about thefive best rock bands. You know,
my inclination is to have like reallytalented ones that have different backgrounds, you
know, something like Rush or youknow, obviously the Beatles probably deserve the

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spot for the European or the EnglishInvasion. Yeah, I don't know we
have that because I just talking aboutmusic and who the best or worst are
that sort of thing. And sothat's my four the four things that I'd
love to watch a series of debateson or a debate on best sport ever,
best city, And you're a bestathlete ever in best rock band?

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Real quick? What do you gofor me? You been thinking over there?
Yeah, you told me you didn'twant to write these down though I
didn't want to write these on.Yeah. You were like, you were
like shooting from the hip on thisone. I am. I am kind
of shooting from the hip on thisone because I was having trouble with it,
and I was like, you know, I could go super serious because
I don't know. I'm a deepguy. I come across on the radio
as not such, and I amin certain ways. But I'm gonna it's

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Friday, it's five twenty six,I'm gonna go I'm gonna lean into my
silly side on this one, numberone, And of course this is my
number one because to my own chagrin, this has become a piece of my
radio identity. Jeorts inter one Vone on George, Yes or no?
Okay? Do we continue to allowthem in the social square if you will?

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You know, like, I'm teamGeorts. I see the point of
them, of the people don't samevain, different style. I would say,
now you can just go shorts withthis or the pants. I lump
them together, cargo shorts or pantsthere's been a run recently on people pretty
people are pretty out on cargo shortsor pants. I am also, I
don't understand why I'm out. Yeah, it's kind of one of those things.

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Here's here's the comparison. Here's thecomparison. Just to set people up
for the debate. You see aguy and a truck, and you know,
maybe you're thinking, what do yougot a truck for. You're just
some suburbanite going from home to work. Like, you're not hauling heavy stuff.
You don't work on a farm,You're not a tough guy. What
are you driving a truck for.Well, maybe he needs it to like
take home on mini fridge, ormaybe he needs it to you know,

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like put stuff in the back sometimesextra groceries and whatnot. Is the same
thing, the same go ahead.What I'm saying is is there are people
out there who want to tell youthat I can't wear cargo shorts because I'm
not a mechanic, because I'm nota farm. I'm not saying you can't.
I'm just saying that if you wantedto and we could debate this,
you and me could be the debaterson this one. I'm just I'm saying

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that if you were attempting to lookstylish in any way, shape or form,
then it's a failure. If youdon't care about the style, then
you do, you man. Youcan come in with a speedo for all
I care. What I'm saying iswhen you're carrying a pizza back to your
couch and you need a spot foryour ranch, you slide them right into
your side sheath cargo pocket fits perfectly. Works every time. You couldn't just

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shove it up underneath your armpit.Or sometimes it's dangerous and it cools it
up and it heats it up tooquick. Yeah, heats it up too
quick. Where are you walking sixmiles down the road? You're trying to
run five k with your pizza andyour ranch? I probably should, honestly.
Five twenty eight. Well, we'llget the rest of Matt Case's list
coming up, and if you wantyou to give us your list. Who
knows where this is going now?Four two, five, five, eight

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eleven ten news Radio eleven ten kfab. Emery Suner on news Radio eleven ten
kfab. I just wanted to shareI got a critique here, Matt,
before I let you finish your listfrom a guy named Roy. Okay,
Roy says, I'm scared to askhow old you guys actually are, but
you sound like eighth grade. Youshould really take a look at your radio
persona and aim higher. Thanks Roy. I feel like my voice is deep

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in quite a bit since eighth grade. To be honest, maybe I should
talk even deeper. How about now, Roy? Do I sound more like
a man? In all seriousness?Though I'd be interesting to like. I
emailed Roy back because they try toemail most people back, and I just
like i'd like to know. Wespent two and a half I literally spent
two and a half hours talking aboutthe debate as intelligently as I possibly could,

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as seriously as I could, havingfun along the way, and taking
a ton of calls. I hadan in depth interview on Supreme Court opinions
at four thirty on a Friday,and we have a little fun with Cargo
Shorts in the five o'clock hour,and Roy just thinks that we're eighth graders
all of a sudden. Either.Roy doesn't listen that much, but he
should, and he probably does becausehe has my email, and I don't
know. I guess the reason I'msaying this is for anybody out there who

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thinks that we just don't hear orsee any of this stuff. It does.
And we are trying to make asmany people happy as possible. So
to Roy and anybody else that thinksthat we sound like eighth graders, we're
going to work on that as muchas we can over the next twenty minutes.
Well, Roy, what's your age? And how can we cater all
of the content just for you?That's what I was going to ask.
Is just like, Okay, Soobviously he didn't care about the first three

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hours of the show. He waitedjust to talk to me about the last
thirty minutes. Look, you knowit's hey, he's not wrong. It's
fun to be silly. Yeah,and we don't mind being silly on this
show. I welcome silliness. Andif it means that Roy thinks that I'm
an eighth grader, then I guessit's just a pill I'm going to have
to swallow. I just wish Ihad more clarification on why that is and
how that cancels out you know therest of the stuff that we've done.

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Anyway, Four things that you'd liketo see debated Best sport ever best city
in Europe, best athlete ever inbest rock band. Those are my four.
Matt case, He's got two andthey're both fashion related. The first
one is Geort's and the second oneis cargo shorts or pants. Yeah,
and the viability of those. Ifeel like you and me. You're setting
this up for you and me todo these debates. But you know you
could pick ones that you know otherpeople do that you watch. Sure,

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so I got to get two more, two more? Okay? Well number
three would be which do you likebetter? Light meat or dark meat?
Like turkey, turkey or chicken.Okay, yeah, I prefer dark meat,
but I know there are people outthere who are just that's not yea.
They like their they like their meatlight. They think the darkest too
juicy. I guess you'd say,interesting. Yeah, okay, I'd watch

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that one just for the information thatmight come of it, because I don't
really know the difference. I supposeI just gravitate towards the light meat because
it just looks like regular meat.I guess I don't know. When I'm
having some turkey, you know,you get the light meat. You need
extra, you need lots of gravyfor that too much, I would say,
Okay, I'll keep that in mind, but i'd watch that debate.
Okay, all right, next lastone. I'm trying to figure out how

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to frame this because it's something I'vebeen thinking about a lot lately. How
do you make this into a debate? Now, this debate is not very
difficult for me to pick a side, because I have a side, Okay,
but it would somehow framing the debatetruth versus power, because I feel
like there's a whole lot of truthversus power going on in our world right

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now and there always has been.Okay, So so give me an example.
Well, when telling the truth doesn'thelp either gain you power or help
you hold it, do you withholdit? That's what I mean. So,
so essentially you want this is ascholarly debate. I'm sure you're going
to need some studies into leadership andpower for all of time and how much

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information like because what you're what you'redescribing right now is like North Korea,
right where the state runs all themedia and essentially the people in power control
the information that's being told and leaveout many truths to stay in that power.
Right, people who live in NorthKorea and can't get out of North
Korea, are just led to believeif they're you know, they're the citizens

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that have been there forever, thattheir government has their best interest in mind,
because that's the information that they're beingfed. And my worry is that
we are so normalizing lying lately thateven if you're a liar, if you're
a liar on my side, that'sokay, yeah, but are you a
charismatic liar? Who is the guy? Who is the guy that gosh,
who was it? I mean,Michael Cohen comes to mind recently of just

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somebody who literally was convicted of beinga liar legitimately because he did it under
oath, but was incredibly coy andcharming in the way that he spoke,
so people wanted to believe him.Like that's like okay. Hul Cogan's like
this. Hul Cogan is like thishull Cogan if you listen to anything hul
Cogan says. And again, Idon't know if anybody pays attention to HULLL.
Cogan these days, but I listenedto some wrestling podcasts and they cover

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stuff like this, and hull Coganhas been on this rampage of like,
oh, I recorded music and itwas number one of the on the charts
in the eighties, and Simon Cowellrecorded my album right, and if you
don't look that up on the internet. The way he talks to you like
that, and the way that hespeaks, and they have recordings of this,
you will believe him. You wantto believe him because of the way
that he explains that and you're justlike, wow, okay, that's that's

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really awesome. And then as soonas you do any digging whatsoever, there's
there's no evidence of any of thishappening, you know what I mean?
And again, I know that politicsis kind of more awhere you're going with
this, No, I'm just speakinggenerally, Okay, Well, I think
most people would like direct that ideato politics, like power in politics,
or you know, like the musicindustry. There's been a lot of commentaries
on the music industry where people whoare in power have been noted liars and

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been just overall terrible humans, butthey're the ones that have all the power.
It's an interesting dichotomy, but Ithink a lot of it has to
do with the right personality to beable to pull that off, to get
to the power through the lies.Don't tell the truth because the truth isn't
popular. Tell lies to become popular, take power, and then hide the
lies. To make yourself as manylike as much as possible, as much
much power as you possibly can gobbleup before the truth is found out.

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I mean, that's happened to alot of people. There was a guy
there's a documentary a thirty for thirtyabout a guy who bought the New York
Islanders and he didn't have any money. It's incredible. I can't remember what
it's called. This kind of likea fry festival situation. Yeah, fire
festival, firefest, Yeah, yeah, exactly right. It's just like,
the idea is awesome in my head. I don't have any of the means
to execute it, but I'm literallygoing to do this anyway because of resources

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that I have, even though Idon't have the resources to necessarily pull this
off. And Firefest is an excellentexample. There are multiple documentaries on this
where people are showing up to thisthing and nothing that was promises there.
But it was so convincing in theway that it was talked about. It
was so convincing in the way thatpeople bought the concept that they just handed
their money over without needing the evidenceand ended up being outed thousands of dollars.

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I mean, truly, it's youhave to be born with that ability
to communicate and lie, because somany other people it's so easy to tell
when they're lying. That makes sense. Yeah, some people are better at
it than others. Absolutely, Sowhat you just said right there, I
didn't expect you to get so deep. I thought i'd try it out,
you know, But it's actually areally good idea to like investigate it.
I don't know how you debate it, but a thorough investigation in like a

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documentary over a couple hours, explainingthe correlation between truth telling and power,
or in maybe how that is changedin eras, how that's affected by governmental
styles or the hierarchy of certain industries. I think that would be a fascinating
watch. It's always been a problem. But sometimes I sit around and think
with in a world of deep fakes, in a world of where you can

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promote yourself in any all kinds ofways online or however else, in disingenuous
ways and get away with it,when is telling the truth ever been more
important? I know that's hyperbolic.It's always been the most important deep stuff.
Wow, how about that on aFriday. We need truth tellers.
You don't even pay for this stuff, folks,