Loose Meat Water Buffalo Sandwiches

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I was doing my Iowa show today and I'll tell
you why I think this is interesting to talk about
for different a lot of differences. First of all, water
buffalo not NATed to this area. While I was on
the air, we were in the middle of talking about
it because last night there was police cam footage obtained
by news outlets that show the officer taking a shot

(00:20):
with a shotgun at this water buffalo. They also show
different footages of them not being able to properly corral.
It just seemed like they really didn't know what they
were doing to corral this animal. They were using their
car and their police cruiser and stuff, and it's just
spooking it further away from them. Again, it didn't make
a lot of sense, but the animal eventually eludes them

(00:40):
and goes away. As being seen in the neighborhoods, many
people have either video footage or raincam footage or photos
that they were able to take themselves of this water
buffalo as it's wandering around through their neighborhoods. Well, this morning,
while I was on the air talking about this, news
came that they have found the animal and were attempting
to tranquilize it. They didn't want to kill it. They

(01:02):
were trying to tranquilize it. Remember it got shot on Saturday.
It was still alive. Here are the details, the harrowing
details of this morning. You ready for this, I'm ready.
The pleasant Hill Police Department, which was is an eastern
suburb of Des Moines, which is where this animal was
originally located. The pleasant Hill Police Department was working on this.

(01:22):
This was really their show. But they had eventually partnered
with County Conservation, which is the Des Moines area Blank
Park Zoo. So they called the Zoo Animal Rescue League
of Iowa, who already made a public statement that they
also did not have tools proper to helping, specifically by themselves,
but they're helping altun A Police department which is another

(01:43):
eastern urb of Des Moines, and then the des Moines
Police Department as well. They worked together to implement a
plan to retrieve the animal alive using tranquilizer darts. Now
this press release came out like fifteen minutes ago, so
I've just finished reading it. But they explained why this
is something that isn't immediately an accessible idea for them

(02:03):
to do. They say, many considerations and plants must be
thoroughly analyzed before an immobilization of an animal this size
can be attempted. The time between darting and immobilization can
take up to twenty minutes. The animal may become aggressive.
It must be in a location that can be accessible
when the immobilization finally occurs. Also, large animal immobilizations have

(02:24):
inherent risks to the animals and people because of people participating,
because of the drugs you used to immobilize. Large animals
are very potent and a small amount can be fatal
to humans. Also, some animals do have issues with the
reversal of the drugs as well. They found this animal
this morning in water in a sand pit to the

(02:44):
east of Pleasant Hill Boulevard in the Des Moin area, Okay.
So it made its way to like the Moine city
limits and it was just hanging out in water. It
found earlier. In the press release, they say this animal
was intended to be butchered for its meat. When it
got loose, the owner told police to kill it put
it down. They said they could not or would not
put the animal down unless it posed a threat to
the public. They deemed when they shot at it it

(03:06):
did pose The threats to the public because of where
it was next to a very very busy roadway, so
keep that in mind. So anyway, they see the animal
in the water still the next morning. They found it
the night before on Tuesday night. This morning they see
the animal in the water. They go over to it
and they need it to get out of the water
for the immobilization, right. They don't want to shoot a
dart in it while it's in the water and it's
just going to fall into the water and drown. Okay,

(03:27):
that would be pointless. So they got to get it
out of the water somehow. They say. The animal was
eventually coaxed out of the water, and once out of
the water, a tranquilizer dart was administered. Around nine thirty am,
the water buffalo started walking south on the property. Drones
and multiple responding agencies followed it as it wandered. Thirty
minutes later, they administered a second tranquilizer dart. Water buffalo

(03:50):
was then immobilized, loaded into a trailer, treated with reversal drugs, antibiotics,
and vitamins. They say the water buffalo is awake, prognosis
is guarded, which is I guess one of those things
is just like don't get your hopes too high up.
Like at this point, it does have a bullet wound.
We don't know like the extent of the damage. It's
been there for like four or five days, but they

(04:11):
say the prognosis is guarded. Maybe somebody can explain what
that means versus like critical or like stable or whatever. Right,
it was transported to Iowa State University Veterinary Hospital and
ames there it will be monitored and receive any necessary
medical care. The owner has surrendered the animal to the
Des Moines Police Department. The Pleasant Hill Police Department would
like to thank Paul County Conservation, Blank Park Zoo, Animal

(04:33):
Rescue League of Iowa out to the Police Department and
the Des Moines Police Department for their assistance and the
resources provided in resolving this unique situation. An investigation into
the escape of this animal is being conducted. Based on
the results of the investigation, charges may be filed, and
of course this could be with the owner who did
not have control of its water buffalo as it was
about to go get this animal butchered. Now I follow

(04:55):
a Facebook page called Iowa Farm Sanctuary, and I know
I'm probably gonna get called a big softy for this.
But have you been to a farm sanctuary there, Matt,
You have you gone to one of those where it's
mostly like traditional livestock animals that are just kind of
there living like a horse farm would be kind of
talking like Carol Baskins, you know, like that are we

(05:17):
talking that? It's all you cats and kittens. It's kind
of like that, except these animals are a lot more
predictable than a tiger would be. But it's like that
where basically they find injured livestock, you know, or livestock
that like Phil.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Here.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
They're calling him Phil by the way, p H I
L L two l's because he's was from Pleasant Hill.
Chase was happening in Pleasant Hill, pe Hill Phil the
water buffalo? Yeah, and Phil, it was was in this situation.
Phil certainly is going to be a high profile, to
say the least. This is good publicity for anybody who

(05:55):
wants to try to adopt this water buffalo. Well, Iowa Farm,
sayings Quary within the last ten to fifteen minutes, said
the news. Everyone's been waiting for Iowa Farm Sanctuary family
and Phil supporters. We know you've been following this emotional story.
Phil escaped slaughter earlier this week, only to wander the
streets of Des Moines for several days after being shot
in the chest during an attempt to subdue him. The

(06:15):
local community rallied for Phil and didn't wrestle. He was
giving a fair chance of safety and freedom. The outpouring
of love for Phil, a farm animal in the epicenter
of animal agriculture, is incredibly heartwarming. And now we are
unbelievably relieved and so thankful to share that Phil has
been humanly secured and is receiving emergency care at Iowa
State University. We're also truly overjoyed to announce that Phil

(06:35):
has been surrendered and is officially an Iowa Farm Sanctuary resident,
which means he will know nothing but the love and
safety for the rest of his incredibly precious, meaningful life.
He is so worthy and he is so brave. And
they're taking donations to help people or help them with transport,
and they're also trying to secure I believe the other
two water buffalo that this particular honor had on the

(06:57):
property that they knew about. What say you, Matt, We're
in a farm state, We're in an agriculture country, agriculture
and incredibly important business here. And I'm not here to
tell you that this isn't. This isn't this is bad,
this isn't this isn't a good thing. All right, I'm
not I'm not. I'm not in a position to be
able to tell you that. What I am going to
tell you, though, is that there is something truly I
don't know if you care about life in general, and

(07:20):
you see the face of this water buffalo and its
behavior wandering around the neighborhoods of suburban Des Moines, and
you know, you kind of think about this. The mountain
lion is a little bit different because the mountain wants
to eat your dog. You know, it's a little bit
of different mix. But you see this animal not like
just seemingly wandering around on its own. It seems pretty

(07:40):
senseless to kill it. And I think that's really when
like what made this story what it was was he'd
been shot and people were like, why are we shooting
at this thing? Like, and now they have explained they
felt like in that moment he was could potentially wander
into a busy like highway style intersection and that could
have been a real problem, right, But there's a debate

(08:01):
within myself right now of like rooting for this water
buffalo and a farm animal, even though it's an exotic species,
a farm animal to have its day of being able
to be free, while also understanding that we live in
a state that you know, Nebraska or Iowa if you're
over there too. We live in an area in this
country where agriculture is the economy. I mean you really,

(08:25):
the agriculture drives the economy in our states. I gotta
tell you, I'm pretty like split, and I'm weird to
have an emotion like this about an agricultural animal. At
the same time, there's a lot of questions about how
he got loose and whether or not you even need
a permit or something like that for specifically water buffalo.
I don't know exactly how that works, but I'd love

(08:46):
to talk to you about any part of this, and
we'll take phone calls coming up next in a couple
of minutes to stick around on news radio eleven to
ten KFAB.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
Well be right back, every songer on news radio eleven
ten kfab.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
They found him this morning and they were able to
get him. He is in he's awake. Is his situation
is listed as guarded. He had a gunshot wound, he
was meant to be butchered. There's a big story. If
you missed it, you'll have to go back to the pod.
Let's go to the phones and talk to people about this.
At four h two, five, five, eight eleven ten, we
have Grant on the line. Grant, what's going on, Hey, Amory.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yeah, just listening to a prognosis indicator. We've got kind
of five stages. We go through excellent, good, guarded, or
or grave. So guard is kind of in the middle,
essentially a coin flip. It's kind of a catch all term,
you know, if they don't really kind of have a
good prediction of how it's going to turn out, a
lot of people just put guarded, okay as their prognosis.

(09:43):
So it's it's it's not like it's not like they
think he's necessarily going to die. They just don't know essentially.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, So Grant, you are you a veterinarian?

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (09:53):
So have you ever dealt with like livestock before?

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Just in school? I don't. I do dogs and catch.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Myself, Okay, So I got a couple of questions. That's okay,
So when when you talk about like the health of
an animal that you see. And I had an unfortunate
run in with a miniature Yorky with my greyhound one time,
and I was told that they're at the Yorky was
in guarded condition. Is that like obviously, like you said,

(10:21):
it's kind of like a coin flip situation. But what
are some of the ways that you can help because
it's a little bit more difficult, I think, to with
with these animals to really know everything that they're feeling
or what the real problem is. Right like in this situation. Obviously,
this guy's got a gunshot wound. They know to treat that.
But for you, you know, on a day to day basis,
how often do you have to kind of guess at
what exactly is wrong with an animal?

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah, I mean it's a it's a highly uh, it's
a lot more of a guessing game than you would
like to hear. There's a lot of unknown factors, you know,
your factoring in things like bloodwork, size of wound, where.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
Is it at.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
So you do have to make some probable guesses and
there's a there's a always a chance that you're wrong
on those. That's why it's a probability, But yeah, for
these I mean, if if we don't feel comfortable with
leaning it one way or the other, that's where that
guarded diagnosis comes up. But you know, grave would be
like hit by car, dog comatose, really not getting up.

(11:17):
I mean, that's that would be a good example of
a great prognosis.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Okay, and then Grant, I mean, when you hear about
this water buffalo, hopefully you heard a lot of the
details about this, but you know, my first thought is
to call a vet about maybe. You know, first of all,
I think they should have probably called the zoo, which
you'd think would have the kind of tranquilizers for large
animals that the police department probably doesn't have access to.
But you know, for if a vet were to be

(11:44):
called in this scenario, what would be kind of the
advice that you or somebody who you know, maybe you
would have worked with in that situation, what they would
have been able to give advice wise to these people
trying to get a hold of this thing.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, I mean, the drugs is a big one. You know,
like you said, the dose of the drug. You've got
a lot of different type of opiates and things like that.
At various strengths, and so the zoo veterinarians and large
animal exotic vets are really good at knowing what type
of strengths they have to use for different animals, because
you're gonna use a different one for an elephant than
you are a water buffalo as so, so yeah, drug

(12:20):
drug strength is definitely a big one. And then just
kind of predictions. We've sedated a lot of animals, so
we can kind of know, hey, it's probably gonna move here.
We need to get people away. You got to be
aware of the surroundings. You know, when we're sedating horses
for procedures out in the field, we've got to be
mindful of like is there any holes nearby? Is or
a river nearby? Because you never know where they're going

(12:41):
to actually take off to. So just the unpredictable natures.
Veterinarians have seen them more so they just kind of
have a better awareness.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
It's good stuff. Grant. I'm really appreciative that you've called in,
and please, if there's anything that we're talking animalize some
big animal person curiosity wise, and also just sheer love
of nature, please please please feel free to call in
and help educate us Okay, yeah, thanks for listening to us.
Love talking to people who know what they what they're
talking about. It really helps us understand some things. Connie's

(13:09):
on our phone line at four h two five five,
eight eleven ten. Hey Connie, what's on your mind?

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Hey Emory, it sounds like a god opportunity. They got
him at a petting too. Now you can go take
a little fluffy there and sit him on your lap
and pet him. So I'm glad they saved him for you.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah, well I can say that, Well, we don't know
that yet, Connie, because he's at the hospital up there
and names and they've got to treat that gunshot wound
and all this stuff. I will say this though, you know,
no matter how you feel about farm animals or water
buffalo or anything like that, this guy is going to
be a celebrity immediately upon arrival. I think this farm
is located more near the Seed of Rapids or Iowa

(13:44):
City area, so he'd have to go just a little
bit to the east of there. But there will be
people all over the States. There's already a T shirt
shop in Des Moines that's made a fill T shirt.
Filled the water Buffalo T shirt that's available for sale.
They're already, like I'm on the Iowa Farm Sanctuary page.
They put a fundraiser up to help them with the
cost of getting him transported to them. They've raid over
one thousand dollars and thirty minutes. So this is actually

(14:06):
going to be an incredible Not to say they don't
care about it. They obviously care about his life, but
it is interesting. There's going to be a ton of
people from around the state of Iowa donating money for
the opportunity to go see this guy, and also want
to drive over there and see this guy because of
his celebrity status. Now, so it's pretty interesting. Okay, thanks guy, Yeah,
you have a good day. Should should we go do

(14:30):
a show or a remote hanging out with Phil? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
there you go. I was waiting for this. Okay. So
Adam emails in and says, if knowing that the farm
animal was adopted by an anti egg farm animal sanctuary
gives you the warm fuzzies, then you may need to
go get some testosterone treatments. The animal was raised for me,

(14:51):
so why not return it to the farmer or person
who owns it. Don't take the cattle away from farmers
whose cattle escape, So what's the difference. I can't. I tell
you that most livestock are docile and they were bred
to be that way. So if you have a problem
with killing a docile animal for food, vegan should be
your next stop. Well, Adam, I appreciate the note a
couple of things. I don't know if you didn't hear

(15:12):
the whole thing, the whole story here. But the farm
animal is being adopted by the farm Animal Sanctuary because
the owner surrendered it. The owner lost control of this
animal in the process of moving it into a trailer
to take it to get butcher. I have said on
multiple occasions that I have nothing, but honestly, I do

(15:35):
care about animal welfare. But I am not anti farm
I am not anti livestock. I think that we have
come a long way in the treatment of animals, not
just for their health and happiness, but also for the
ability to have better products right, And I'm not here
to tell you that we should stop doing that. However,
it's weird to have a water buffalo. It seems like
this person and I don't know enough details because they

(15:55):
haven't released where this person was, who this person is,
but there are a couple of things about this story
that maybe you missed, Adam. The person who owns the
property isn't the same person that owns the water buffalo.
I think that person's renting that space for its livestock.
The owner of the property said, please come take these
water buffalo because there's two more of them, not just

(16:17):
this one, but there are two others. Secondly, this guy
said to the police when it got out, just shoot
the animal they wanted hit. He wanted them just to
kill it while it was out. Police officer said, unless
he's a threat to the public, beer not going to
do that. They tried to take him out with a
shotgun when he was close to a street, and he
didn't have a whole lot of ill effects. I have

(16:38):
no idea how bad the wound is, but that's one
of the other factors here. The guy did say I
want to shoot him. And thirdly, he has surrendered it
basically to the police department, who basically said to this sanctuary, hey,
you can take him because the owner didn't want him back.
So it does give me the warm fuzzies because I'll
be honest with you, I think it's important for us
to value life in some way. Now again, I'm not

(17:01):
here to tell you that farming should be illegal, and
I'm not here to tell you that being vegan is bad.
I'm not vegan. I am quite aware of you know
how my emotions have been changing over the years in
regards to how I feel about livestock, especially the treatment
of certain livestock. I don't know who this person was
that had this animal, but this is not a typical

(17:24):
farmer kind of guy. This is not what that sounds like.
It sounds like lists a small little operation from a
person that has doesn't have its own land, his own
land to have this these types of animals. He's renting
a piece of land from somebody else, and there's a
lot of different moving parts there. But you know what
if that means I have low testosterone, because I am,

(17:47):
you know, I'm having some conflicting emotions about something like this,
and I guess maybe I do. Who's to say, I'm
no doctor? Three twenty eight. You got thoughts on this?
You can call it a four oh, two, five, five, eight,
eleven ten. Oh Who knew a guy like me could
fall in love with the story about a freed and
now sanctuaried potentially water buffalo in an agriculture state. Am

(18:10):
I a bad person? I don't know. Please call and
tell me. I'm four h two, five five eight eleven
ten on news radio eleven ten KFAB and Maurice Sung
on news radio eleven ten KFAB. All right, here we
are three thirty eight, and I just showed Matt there
is a photo out of the water buffalo as he
is now in captivity after being caught in a East

(18:32):
and Mooines sandpit. We're talking about it from Omaha. I know,
but it's the agriculture aspect of this. It's pretty conflicting, right, Like,
I'm rooting for the water buffalo. I'm sorry. I had
one guy say that, hey, you got low T man,
it's a farm animal. It's supposed to be for me.
I love the low T argument. Always with the low T.
Maybe I'm just sensitive. It's okay to be sensitive and

(18:53):
still have testosterone. I feel like I don't have low
T and a lot of other stuff and almost got
into a fistfight with the guy playing basketball last week.
I mean, I feel like a guy with lot wouldn't
have had that happen. I think a guy with low
T might be still in bed right now. I I
you ask my wife. I don't think she thinks I
got low t ah, right, because you're always helping out
with chores exactly, heavy lifting, that's right, A lot of

(19:13):
heavy lifting anyway. Four O two, five, five, eight eleven ten.
So maybe I'm just a sensitive guy. I don't know.
I don't know. Do you ever have emotions you can't explain?
It's hard to explain. I'm sorry. Tammy's on the line, Tammy,
what's going on with you today?

Speaker 4 (19:27):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Well, what you got a thought on these water buffalo things?

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (19:32):
I lifted up. Wild water buffalo are endangered, with an
estimated population of less than four thousand individuals. Fall populations
may also exist in Boustan, Nepaul and Tim.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yeah, Tammy, this was my first question, and I did.
We don't have answers. I have no idea I like,
and they know the owner. The owner called the police
until they found out that this guy I was loose
to begin with. But I gotta tell you, Tammy, this
guy has to be charged with something. I don't know

(20:08):
if you need a permit for water buffalo because apparently
he's got two others that were on his property. I
know that these farm sanctuary that I talked about before. Uh,
they're also trying to get the other two and the
owner of the property, this guy is apparently renting for
the water buffalo to like grayze In. Like the owner
of the property said, yeah, please take those water buffalo

(20:29):
if he'll give him to you. I don't. It's a
crazy convoluted situation. And they have not positively identified these people,
so I guess that would be my first question too,
is like why water buffalo and how the heck did
you get these guys?

Speaker 4 (20:40):
Yeah, I mean two others them.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Oh yeah, no, for sure, I mean that why not?
I mean this guy that we're talking about here, Phil,
they're calling him Phil. He was he was trying to
transport him for slaughter when he escaped, So.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
You know what I mean, normal water exactly, And that's.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
And that's exactly where they found him, was in a
sand pit like hanging out in water. They found him
on Tuesday night, and they came back to the same
spot and he had not moved by the next morning. So, uh,
I did see the photo. They do have him. He
is awake and he is being transported to the vets.
So this was probably, you know, four hours ago or so.

(21:23):
And I guess we're gonna have to figure out what
his health is. But uh, it's one heck of a story, Tammy,
that's for sure.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
And you don't have well, see, man, let me tell you.
Animals are animals, and if they're in danger, you know,
let's protect them.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yeah. No, And I'm with you and anybody who listens
to meet you get it into mix it up with
some of the callers that come in here and come
after me. I mean, I don't know what a guy
with low t fight with guys like that. I don't think.
So I'm comfortable in my own skin, Tammy. It's okay.

Speaker 4 (21:57):
Absolutely, those people probably are spirited than.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
Yeah, exactly, all right, Thanks Sammy, appreciate you calling in four, two, five, five, eight, eleven, ten,
and Fred is on the line. Hey Fred, what's up.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
Hey? You know I've been eating water buffalo in the
last fifteen years. I don't believe that they're endangered. I
have a home in Cambodia and it is a common
marketplace item. And I say you, it's very delicious. It's
like a sweet beef. I have it on pizza and
the burgers with it and like I said, they even

(22:31):
make milk and cheese out of it in certain parts
of Southeast Asia, so it's quite common to eat as
opposed to the previous calling.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Well, yeah, I see that. It's a much larger situation
thing in the Cambodia, India area, and they seem to
be domestic. I'm wondering, is there like a species of
water buffalo that maybe she's confusing with that might be endangered,
that is wild still potentially, I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
I'm not an expert on it. I just I just
eat it, and so that's all I can tell you.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Yeah, And I got to be honest, I'm not vegetarian.
I'm not vegan. I understand the whole bit about you know,
the farm animals and everything. But I don't know anybody
who didn't listen to this story or see this story
and didn't have a little bit of them that was
cheering on the buffalo like it was a rambo, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
Like, well, you know, I personally, I've seen them called
many times and so you know, you kind of, uh
you kind of lose that uh you know that that
one teams to be able to root for the the
water buffalo. But when you're when you're living in the
city again, you know, it probably goes back to the
story of one of our political representatives shooting their farm dog.

(23:43):
You know, it's just it's just it's just a way
of us. You know, people eat the water buffalo.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
So yeah, now that's always and I get that. I
had another guy say, he's the same thing, right, It's
just like, hey, you know, city folks just don't get
uh what what you know? What animals are? You know,
he's talked about putting horses in when they lost their
usefulness and things like that, and I appreciate his perspective
in his opinion.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
But let me tell you. Let me tell you one
thing though, that I did get duped into doing, and
I didn't realize what I was doing when it happened.
Somebody offered me a sandwich and I said, wow, this
is delicious. And so I was a school director at
the time. I brought one of my teachers back. A
couple of days later. We brought some mustard, we brought
some onions. We sat down, we started eating the sandwich

(24:26):
and I said, hey, this beef is so delicious, and
the kid looked at me, No, This is in the
middle of Cambodia, mind you. And he spoke in peer
English and he said, no, no, no, it's not beef,
it's dog. And man that I can you imagine.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
I had no.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
Idea, absolutely your idea.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
I don't know, Fred. I'll let the people in other
cultures do what they do. I'm not going to be
xenophobic about it. I just I'm not going to actively participate.
And and if that's what makes me a low t
city slicker, I guess I'm just gonna have to eat
that label.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
I just have a great afternoon.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Man, thanks man, thanks, No thanks on the dog. No
thanks on shooting your own horse and stuff. Now, euthanization,
that's a little different, right. Chrissy Gnomes, who he was
referring to, killed a fourteen month old puppy because it
wasn't behaving and wasn't trained properly. You know what I'm saying.
You know what I'm saying over here? Yeah, yeah, and

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there you go. What kind of dog? That's what I wonder.
So this is my thing about my dogs. I have greyhounds, okay,
and they are muscly as all get out, even out
of shape, right, like I don't run my dogs, so
they're gonna get daily exercise to the intensity that they
were on the track. But if I showed you pictures
of greyhounds that were on the track who are running

(25:51):
every day and doing workouts every single day and then
racing once a week, you would look at these dogs
and be like, holy cow, look at those muscles. They
are just a muscular breath. There's no doubt. There's no doubt.
If you wanted to have dogs to eat and have
enough meat on a dog to eat and feed multiple people,
a greyhound would be that kind of kind of dog,
no doubt. So knowing that no like like that to me,

(26:15):
like goes through my brain. I'll never even kind of
think about trying it ever in my entire life ever,
no chance. And if that makes me a softie that
has low testosterone, like I guess, I'm sorry. That's who
I am. Who I am? What do you want from me? Okay,
I'm sorry. If you can do that, more power to you.
I'm not gonna tell people how they're supposed to live,

(26:37):
but I'm gonna tell you I was rooting for the
water buffalo to survive and get put in the farm sanctuary.
And I'm not gonna eat dog ever in my life,
and if somebody tricks me into eating dog, we are
throwing down on the spot. Ain't having it anyway. If
you got thoughts called in four h two, five, five
eight eleven ten news radio eleven ten kfab Emery's songer
on news radio eleven ten kfab here. I emailed him

(27:01):
back and was like, hey, hopefully listen to me. I
read your email on because you know, if I read
an email on the air, I don't feel like I
need to respond with the same information in the email, right.
I was just like, hopefully listen to that. And then
Adam replied, and I'm a fair fair man, so if
somebody read emails me, I'm going to, you know, make
sure that they're heard. He said. I did hear the
recite of the story, and I didn't know the dude
was not a typical farmer, and then he surrendered the animal.

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I wonder if he was legally pressure to do so. Lol.
The low T thing was a joke. I own a cat,
ha ha ha, that's funny. And I'm sure there's a
special breed of water buffalo. They're not just stealing wild
and danger species. For Ig, I agree, and yeah, so
I get it, Adam, I understand what your thought process. Now,
there's definitely public pressure for this guy to surrender this animal.

(27:44):
But at the same time, he was telling the police
officers in the moment it got away, just kill it,
like literally, just shoot it, put it down. He told
them that it's in the pleasant Hill Police Department, in
the Pleasant Hill Police Department. Prince release that came out. So,
I mean, am I supposed to feel bad for a guy, Matt.

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This is not a normal guy. This is not a
normal farmer. He is renting. Not that it's weird to
rent land from somebody to farm, I'm sure people do
that all over the place all the time. But he
has three water buffalo, or had three water buffalo on
his property, but it wasn't his property with somebody else's property,
So it's not the owner and the of the water
buffalo and the owner of the land or not the

(28:28):
same person. The farm Sanctuary called the owner of the land.
I don't know how they got that information, and the
owner of the land said, yeah, if you can come
take these buffalo, go ahead. But you can't just steal
water buffalo from a guy who owns them. So then
it's like this guy low loses the water buffalo while
trying to transport it to slaughter, butcher it for it
to me, which I get. I don't want anybody saying

(28:49):
that I'm opposed to agriculture in this state or in
Iowa anywhere. But he loses control of the animal, it
runs away. He apparently was following it with a truck
for a while and gay up called police and told
them just to put it down, which they told him,
we can't do that unless he's a threat to the public.
We're not going to do that. Unless he's a threat
to the public. Then they did shoot him, it doesn't

(29:09):
kill him. Four days later they find him and in
the interim, people are going after the police department, people
are going after the owner of like they have not
positively identified this person, but I'm sure he's seeing everything
on social media. I'm sure people are talking to him
about it. I'm sure the owner of the land that
he's on is telling him, hey, you better get rid
of these water buffalo now, you are embarrassing us kind

(29:29):
of thing. I just like, this is not a normal
farm situation. It's just not And I have no problem
rooting for this water buffalo. Sorry, it's a great story.
He's become a spectacle. He is and if he can
get treated at Iowa State University, which where he is now.
They have shared photos of him from captive like after
they captured him. How aggressive could he be? Right? They

(29:53):
did tranquilize her, tranquilize him twice with help. They called
the zoo over there, Blank Park Zoo. They called the
Animal Rescueleage of Iowa. They were working with with conservation
group in Polk County, which is the county de Moine
is in and they had a bunch of police departments
working with them to get this thing figured out. I'm
glad they were able to get a few days to
see that the public really cared about this. That built
a legend that time that he was on the run

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with a gunshot wound. He was shot on Saturday afternoon.
They didn't find him until last night. It was too
dark to try to put an operation together to capture him.
But they said, based on what we know about water buffalo,
he probably is gonna still be here tomorrow. He was,
and this morning they found him. They were able to
come up with a plan to tranquilize him. They transported him.

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He's at a vet in Ames right now getting his
wound taken care of, and he's been turned over by
the owner to the police department in Des Moines, who
then immediately in turn have given him the custody of
him over to the Iowa Farm Sanctuary, which is located
closer to Iowa City. I don't know what the fate
is of the other two Water Buffalo All I know
is it's an incredibly fascinating story. It's making national headlines.

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People following this. This is one of those you get
an F things. Is somebody in the state of Washington's
doing you get an F segment. They'd be giving this
owner in the Pleasant Hill Police Department f's until they
saw exactly what happened today with that explanation. But at
the end of the day, you know what ended up happening.
We know where he is, he's getting treatment. He could

(31:20):
have a happy ending. And I want to know who's
in the movie, right, because this is a it was
a movie. It's it's water Buffalo Rambo for what he
really is. First water Buffalo Blood and I can't wait
to see what the sequel is. But Hopefully no water
buffalo are going to get shot by a law enforcement
and be on the run in the metropolitan areas. Willie,

(31:43):
it's free Philly three fifty six and he's ready to
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