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December 18, 2024 12 mins
Advances in A.I. have been facinating to watch, but producer Matt Case worries we're crossing a bridge into an alternate reality we can't get back from. Imagine a world where most of our shared culture is A.I. generated. Will that make this earth a happier, healthier place?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Using AI to make their trade announcements, which is a rule.
I'm the commissioner of this league, and I mandated that
you have to make an announcement so people can talk
about the trade within the group. I read it to
you because I told I told the AI machine chat
GPT to write this announcement in the pros of Grantle's Rice,

(00:20):
and I read it to you, and you had nothing
but bad things to say about it.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Why is that? Why is what? Why did I not
enjoy it? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Yeah, what what's wrong with what the artificial intelligence told
me here about this trade? And why why don't you
like the uh, the idea of artificial intelligence?

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Because humans?

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Well, I think your exact words were, we need to
burn this down now.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
I know I said that AI has gone across a
bridge and we can only get back by leaving it
and burning that bridge to the ground. Well what's the bridge?
The bridge is? I just think that we've we've crossed
over into a territory where look, man, we're gonna have
movies written by AI. We're gonna have paintings made by
AI that move people. And it sickens me. Okay, this

(01:12):
earth is this earth, this beautiful earth, is for all
the creatures on it, all the plants on it, this
whole robot stuff. Okay, let me tell you a little
something about how that went for Battlestar Galactica. You ever
seen that show?

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Yeah, I'm familiar.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
This is how the cylons come about. I'm just telling
you we are gonna have a race of cylons in
like a couple decades. Robots is what I'm talking about,
And they're gonna start making demands, and they're gonna be like,
you know, all that art you guys love, we made it,
all those songs in your Top forty. You hear the
Top forty? These days it might as well be done
by AI. It's all the same stuff. Am I a lutte?

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Maybe? I guess My only pushback is what if artists?
I might be paying myself into a corner here, but
I'm just gonna say it for the sick of the conversation.
What if an artist, like a movie maker or somebody
who wants to make a movie or wants to have
they have this grand imagination of what they would like

(02:14):
to do, but they don't have a way to properly
visualize it. Is there a way they can use our
official intelligence to make their imagination or their vision come
to life in a way that at that point then
you can pass it off to artists that might be
able to match that vision or edit that vision in
a way that you get the message across even if

(02:36):
it was utilized with some technology. Is that okay? I
mean I can't write exactly like Grant or grantland Rice.
But I thought it'd be funny to have like a
big fantasy basketball trade announced like grantland Rice would do it.
And I got a kick out of it. But it's
hollow and meaningless. It's a computer, yeah, but it's still funny.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
It's the same stuff around Christmas when somebody gives me
a list and says, here's the things I want. I
expect them by Christmas. No, that's not how this works.
It's got to have some humanness in it. I've got
to go out. I've got to look around the shops.
I still like to shop in person. A lot of
people don't you know why I did. Because I like
to feel the stuff. I like to go to the shops.
I like to you know, I like to walk around
them all. I don't disagree with that right, And I

(03:14):
want to get a feel for the person I'm shopping for.
You and you and me are brick and mortar guys. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
undred percent, hundred percent. All this online stuff, man, I
get it.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
It's helpful when you need something and I can get
it delivered.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
You know, get it. I get it. But I'm just saying,
are we creating a happier society? That's That's the only
thing I wonder I would I would agree with making
a more boundless society? Are we happier?

Speaker 1 (03:40):
But we're creating more boundless things?

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Right? Like more? Nothing has been more? How do I
say this?

Speaker 1 (03:47):
There's never been more things that are actually possible to
achieve for one person or a small group of people
than ever before, with the help of computers and artificial intelligence.
That doesn't make it perfect, and that doesn't make it
like fool prove because I can ask chat GBT all
sorts of stuff and don't give me the wrong answer.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
We're on our way to Wally Man Henry David throw
to live deliberately. That is what it's all about. It
really is stay in the natural.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Guy who was living in like a cabin and just
like sat there and wrote and did nothing else.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
What is it Waldron's pond? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's him, right, yeah,
yeah yeah, to live deliberately at Walden right, Walden's Pond, Yeah, yep.
Henry David throw actually went down and fought in the
I believe it was like the Spanish Revolution that never
saw him again.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah. Wasn't he just a big Emerson fan, Ralph Waldo Emerson? Yeah,
he was, like, isn't that his biggest influence?

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Well? Sure, but he wrote some great things too, modern
modern philosophies.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah. I'm not sitting here and saying that there's not
something to that. What I am saying, though, is that
artificial intelligence and AI could be the tool that allows
the next Right Brothers, if you will, to achieve what
they're looking to achieve.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Now, I don't disagree.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
We shouldn't be making movies and writing like like sports
illustrators shouldn't be having chat GPT or any sort of
grock or any of these other AI you know engines
creating real journalism or real art that somebody else should
be doing. And I know that there are a lot
of unions and a lot of groups that are trying
to prevent that from happening because it could cost people

(05:20):
a lot of their jobs and take a lot of
the energy that people have out of it. This is
why one of the reasons though, that I love live
theater and live music so much is because there's no
way it can be that right you're watching them do
what they do. You know what.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Perfect example of that when I was out at the
Symphony watching their Christmas celebration. There was this moment when
they're all on stage and they're all tap dancing and
they start doing the leg kick thing to the to
the rock to the music. Yeah, it was great, and
then one of the one of the actors his hat
just in the in the the uh frivolity of it all,
his hat kind of flew off his head and it
actually landed in the audience. Oh really Yeah, it was

(05:56):
a natural, human, real moment that honestly made it better
because he had to go get it from the audience
after the bit was over, and it was just fun
to watch that whole exchange. It's that real human touch
that if we lose that.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Man.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
You want to talk about depression rates being high right
now through the roof.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Do we just have to be more deliberate in getting
that though? Because I still don't think like, yes, there
should be limitations to how much artificial intelligence we're utilizing,
but at the end of the day, it's about efficiency
and about being useful. Right, This could allow one person
to be more useful than they've ever been before, but
it also could allow people to explore different parts of

(06:38):
their imagination or their creativity they wouldn't otherwise have had
the opportunity to do. At the same time, I understand
what you're saying that we need to limit or cap
the limit or if something was generated through artificial intelligence,
it needs to explicitly say that at the top, have
a label on it. That way we know this is AI.
I do not want to support artificial intelligence here, and

(07:00):
if that's something that ends up perpetuating itself in some
way and we allow that to happen. Because we were
talking about Anna Indiana, right, it lost a lot of
steam after we made fun of her earlier. Like, I
think it's been almost a year now since we introduced
ourselves to Anna Indiana. Yeah, the artificial intelligence singer songwriter
who just gotten worse and worse. I'll be honest with you.

(07:20):
They've learned nothing because they put in like ideas and
court progressions and stuff and just let the AI make
the song and use different engines to have like a
video with the song and everything.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
And it's terrible.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
It sucks, right, any human who writes a song similar
to that is probably gonna sound better if they know
how to play an instrument or sing. But I'm not
opposed to the idea of people exploring this type of technology,
which could allow us to discover other things in the future,
allow us to find new outlets of different things. And
who's to say AI couldn't problem solve. I was watching

(07:56):
this video Mark rober who's a great engineer, and he's
got a YouTube page. You should watch. It's hilarious. He
makes obstacle courses for squirrels to solve. He's done all
sorts of different things, but he made one about he
created a robot that can solve a thousand piece puzzle,
jigsaw puzzle, and it basically just takes pictures of all
of the different pieces, like all thousand pieces. It takes

(08:17):
individual pictures. They created like a suction cup thing that
they can control that it can pick up the pieces
and then it can arrange the pieces based on the
pieces shape next to each other and make the slight
adjustments that you need to make with the jigsaw puzzle,
and it solved the puzzle in like an hour fast
than any human could you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Like? Okay, so, who's cheering for that? What is his
robot family proud of him? Does he feel better about
himself after doing that? No, get that out of here,
throw it in the water. Height All I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
No, what I'm saying is the possibilities of what we
can achieve through artificial intelligence. That it's coded and made
by humans that learns like that, it creates a bad,
bless universe for us.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
All it's doing is taking that puzzle away from someone else,
a human with a real gooey human heart that could
have solved it and felt better about themselves. And now
that robot is solving these puzzles, and we're never going
to be better than the robot. That's a problem. You
know what's coming soon, Emery Songer, There's going to be
a song in your top forty. It's a love song.
It's really going to touch you deeply, and then for
some weird reason, you're always ending up at McDonald's after
you hear it. That's coming soon, Okay, don't go down

(09:23):
this path, America. Turn back now and burn that bridge
before it's too late.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
You say in Indiana's going to subliminately advertise for a
fast food joint.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Is that what you say? It's already happening, That's what
I'm saying. Boy, I've been really hungry for Blimpy lately.
But that's a weird poll. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
No, no, nobody's buying Blimpy. Are they still a round?
I don't That was you just ruined your own point. No,
it was so GOODO forty nine.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
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Speaker 2 (10:04):
Well, this version of Deck the Halls went hard on
the sleigh bells. It's yeah, it's like, uh, it's kind
of jazzy. You know, well, it's very jazzy.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
We've been playing a lot of jazz music with the
sleigh bells really major player in this arrangement.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Makes you feel something, right, It makes me feel like
there's too much sleigh bells in the song.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
Right.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
But you know what a robot feels nothing, It's dead inside.
Have you watched Terminator. That is not entirely true. Yeah,
you know who plays Terminator? A real human being? Sorry
to spoil the movie, folks, Oh, come on now, in
the movie is a robot? Yeah, and it's a movie.

(10:46):
It's not real life. There's never going to be a
sentient robot who can feel feelings. How do you know?
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 3 (10:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (10:53):
How do you know? Oh? Okay, you want to get
all philosophical. I mean, now you want to talk about Spinoza,
let's do this.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
I'm just saying that there's a chance we can get
to a point where you can insult chat GBT and
it's gonna have its feelings hurt.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Now it won't. Oh, it's gonna sound like it exactly right.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
So what who's to say that we don't have some
sort of one of these crazy Japanese robots that they're
designing that look very similar to you know, humans and
the bipedal nature that we are, and it actually having
a legitimate emotional reaction is something that's.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Said to it. Oh, we can have emotional reactions, but
the robots can't. And whatever emotions that they try to fake,
it's always gonna be hollow, and it's gonna leave us
feeling empty and hungry for McDonald's.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Jason says, Tell Matt there are currently one hundred and
four Blimpy's locations in the United States.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Okay, all right, Jason, thank you, I'll meet you there later.
Is that the toasted place? I don't know. You know,
you know what I have to say, what a terrible
restaurant to pull.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
There's no chance that we get an endorsement deal with
Blimpy McDonald's.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Not that we want that.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
I mean, if McDonald's came knocking on our door, I said,
here's a few thousand dollars, be talking about us in
good ways and we'll give you some sandwich.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
And guess what, Mickey D's. You know what I would
use to write all of your scripts chat GPT oh what?

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Bringing in full circle, I would eat those hamburgers, though
I have no shame. I like to be a healthy guy,
but man, those taste good. They taste good going down.
They don't sit so well once they land, though, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
They sit well on a shelf. Though for decades I've
heard Hey

Speaker 1 (12:32):
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