You Get A Pardon! And You Get A Pardon! (Sorry Jack)

You Get A Pardon! And You Get A Pardon! (Sorry Jack)

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
They can impeach me, but you know, once it's in there, well,
and he's asking to be impeach ladies and gentlemen, go
right ahead. I don't care. I'll be on my island.
I will, I will, will you owe in from my island,
and you know what I'll say, Go ahead, try impeach
me and plumb me. You know, m nectarine me. I

(00:20):
don't even care.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
That's an interesting strategy.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Just like I get power the first day, I make
people mad enough to where they just kick me out
of office. It's a tough thing to do, but I'm
on my island that you gave yourself that I gave myself. Tough, tough, Okay,
all right, well, let's I think the first thing that
I would do. Donald Trump's doing a ton of these things,

(00:45):
Southern border stuff. We're seeing World Health Organization we've pulled
out of that. It's notable because of the World Health
Organization's role in COVID nineteen, all sorts of stuff.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
At the same time, there was a bunch of pardons
that were done by Donald Trump for the January sixth
people over fifteen, about fifteen hundred people. And then Joe
Biden also like yesterday, right at the end of his term,
he did some pardoning. You know who he didn't pardon.
I mean, he pardoned Fauci. Anthony Faucio. How do you

(01:22):
feel about being pardoned by former President Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
I didn't need it. I didn't personally need it. But
it's nice. I don't know. I'm on my island, so
I'm okay.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
You got an island too.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, he gave us an island. He pardoned us, and
he gave us an island. Yeah. All the big Democratic
donors have their own island. You don't know about this.
Is that why Epstein had an island? You said it?
Not me?

Speaker 1 (01:44):
For the record, folks, I did not say that.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
I was just wondering. You know who he didn't pardon.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Jack Smith, the guy who was the special counsel that
looked into the January sixth stuff. He probably saw his
name and thought it was too generic. Maybe he thought
it was like a mistake or something.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Jacked Jack Smith. What is this a guy from Pocahontas.
Oh no, that's John Smith. Nice try. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
President Biden. Alvin Bragg not pardoned preemptively.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Again.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
He said none of this was wrong doing, even though
he pardoned like his entire family, assuming that you know,
Donald Trump really do that I go after his family,
you know, Hunter being an exception. One Moreshawn the judge,
the judge who was overseeing his Hush Bunny trial didn't

(02:38):
pardon him. Funny Fannie willis Fannie Willis not pardoned. So
the question becomes, does uh does does dj T decide
to uh indeed go on that revenge tour because there
are a few targets that you are sitting right there.
He can't go after the January sixth committee, they've been pardoned.

(03:00):
Can't go after uh. You know, if he's going after
people the Biden family is pretty clear, and me Fauci
is clear. We know the preemptive pardons of you know,
a ton of other people. He you know, commuted the
sentence of a bunch of death row people. What do
you think here? You know, he's got he's got some
targets still left in the in the tank here that

(03:22):
he can like zero in on if he wanted to.
If he's like, Hey, Pam Bondy, let's get this agoing.
I want to see Jack Smith in my office for
a major tongue lashing before we go after him d
OJ style. I just be surprised, right, it's like the
exact opposite of what we are looking to do. I'd
be very surprised if Donald Trump, after all that talk,

(03:45):
decided to do that. You know what I bet happened?
What I bet Biden's pen ran out of ink. He
was to sign it too many things. He said, I
don't want to get a new pen. I'm almost out
of office, you know.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Did you? Uh? Okay?

Speaker 1 (03:58):
So there was another thing, the uh executive orders publicly signed.
Remember remember when you like you take the oath of office,
you'd be outside. Yesterday was inside because of the weather.
And he moved from like doing his speech, and he.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Did you see this?

Speaker 1 (04:21):
He signed executive orders with the audience watching him. He
was signing stuff like there and then he was throwing
the pins. He's like talking while he's signing them. He's
just like, oh, this is a very good one. Yeah,
I like this one. Then he signs it shuts it. Pins.
Everybody's getting a pin, those official pins that you know
they signed that they're worth something, you think, you know,

(04:42):
like he signed this executive order with this pen. He
signed this bill with this pin, and he's throwing him
out there. The guy is a showman. He he understands
what the people want in a moment. And that's why
I think so many like high level people have started
to come around on the guy. It's just like, man,

(05:02):
he's just a fun guy to be around. You know,
isn't that interesting? We have the reality TV president right
and everything's a moment, everything is, everything is uh he knows,
he knows how to package moments and sell them to people.
He's he's brilliant at that. I was watching, Uh, my
wife and I just got into a marathon of the
Tiny Desk concerts. Yeah, and we were watching justin Timberlake,

(05:25):
and you know, like people are like performing and they
don't like they're just performing to the people that are
in the room, and it just happens to be filmed right.
Justin Timberlake was doing his Tiny Desk and multiple times
he's like he knows where that main camera is and
he's just like staring right into it, like he's looking
right into your soul while you're watching.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Break in the fourth and fifth wall. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah, and it's just like Donald Trump knows where the
camera is and it feels like he plays the camera
a lot. And you know why he's popular is because
he lets the people that are watching him and on
what he's doing, and the people who don't like him
are never gonna like him. And it's never like he
could do any I've talked about this. Donald Trump could

(06:06):
go into office. His first executive voter is I have
this serum we're gonna we're gonna eradicate all disease. If
such a thing existed, he'd still be a vilain. He's
still be a vlain. I don't, I don't know. It's
it's kind of fascinating to see the difference. Donald Trump
and Joe Biden are only a few years apart in age,

(06:28):
you know that, but how different they are in terms
of their behavior. You know, like you could you could.
You could tell me that Donald Trump is not seventy
yet for sure, and I probably buy it. With the
way that he's like moving around, the dancing, the the
pin throwing like he just the vibe is younger. I mean,
he's like doing like underhanded like trick shot pin throws.

(06:51):
He's not just like tossing the pin like you know,
for no good reason, or handing the pin over like
he's like doing you remember him doing the free throws
with the with the paper towels in Puerto Rico after
they were hit with a hurricane, just like he was
doing stuff like that, and it's just like, what is
it with this guy? Maybe it's the golf, Maybe it's
you know, he's just limber, and he's you know, like

(07:12):
engaged enough of his like muscles in his bones and
stuff to where he seems just a little more vibrant
than a guy his age. Should I think genetics are
at play, because it can't be the McDonald's No, no,
but McDonald's is good if you haven't had any a while.
I have McDonald's like the other day, and there's something
about that first taste of those salty fries where you're just.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Like, it's funny.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
You mentioned that though guest host Thor Schrock was talking
about uh RFK Junior. Yeah, he wants to bring back
he wants to get rid of all the seed oils. Yeah,
and bring back cooking the fries in beef tallow Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
Which, by the way, RFK Junior, how do you even
like think of this stuff?

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Now?

Speaker 1 (07:53):
I don't disagree that, you know, we're probably very unhealthy
country and we need to address that. But what a
strange thing to like know and like want to do that.
But you know what, I'm fine, right like, I'll lap
it up for the taste, but I want to. I
want to be healthy when I'm old, right like, I
want to.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
I want to be, you know.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Able to live a vibrant lifestyle through my seventies and
into my eighties and hopefully my nineties for a you know,
a really long time.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
I'd love to be healthy as long as possible. And
you know, diet is an important thing. The more we
have a handle on that makes a lot of sense.
It doesn't make those French fries any less tasty.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, that's you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
I hate to be that guy, but I just, oh man,
that was tasty. I love me a good French fry.
It's only really a few foods out there that are
good for you and good tasting. I feel like, it's
just not like you have to kind of acquire the
taste because most of them just aren't.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Get Brussels sprouts, you gotta wrap them and bacon.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah, well yeah, but they'd smell bad like brussels sprout's
calliflower broccoli. You like you you've cooked those. I mean
it smells bad. I like to taste of broccoli.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
I mean too.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
I like a good broccoli salad myself. Yeah, and broccolini.
I like a good broccolini. You have a broccolini lately,
You get that all seasoned up. You grill that on
top of some tinfoil onto your grill. Ooh, broccolini goes
goes down.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Good. It's good.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
Stuff doesn't taste good by itself, doesn't taste good.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yeah, you gotta do a lot of stuff to it.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
You got you gotta, you gotta be, You gotta expose yourself.
It's like coffee, right, Like, nobody tasted coffee the first time.
I'm like, oh, this is delightful. Nobody had their first
uh you know, canna PBR and was like, oh, this
is the nectar of the gods.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
Right.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
You know, sometimes you just gotta practice. Heck, I still
ain't that crazy about PBR or whatever. It's worked anyway,
It's two eighteen. If you've got thoughts on the first
twenty four hours of an office, go ahead and call
us four oh two five five eight eleven ten. Four
oh two five five eight eleven ten. We'll talk to
you near on news radio eleven Ton KFB. Do you

(10:03):
see my Stingray video?

Speaker 2 (10:05):
I did? Would you think you see?

Speaker 1 (10:07):
You see how they wrapped their mouth around your hand
like a hail to fish a piece of fish. I've
always been very wary of Stingrays just because of what
happened to you know, that one guy. But Steve Irwin,
the crocodile hunter. Yeah, it's so sad. I mean, it's
sad that he lost his life. It's sad the way
that it happened, and it was sad that it set

(10:29):
back Stingray relations for like one hundred years probably. I
mean they pulled, if I remember correctly, they pulled their
diplomat from from the White House.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
But they have no chance.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
I mean, like like it's a lost cause you're just
gonna have to wait it out. And I understand, however,
as somebody who's a big advocate of animals in general,
that Stingray didn't really do anything wrong. It was just
in the wrong place at the wrong time, and Steve
didn't know it was there, which is what really created
the problem.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
And isn't that how most war starts.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
You know, it's not a war, no, No, the Civil
War there was the Confederate militious siege the Fort Sumter
military fort, which had like just a few guys standing
at it, and eventually, when they wouldn't surrender it to
these Confederate militia types after they had seceded from the

(11:21):
Union in South Carolina, they decided to fire at him.
And the next thing, you know, all our wars broke out.
Not great, that wasn't being in the wrong place at
the wrong time. That was this discerning, like, hey, we
were doing this the Revolutionary War. Lexington and Concord, the
the Red Coats, they were coming one of by land,
two of by sea.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
They came by sea, and the.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Paul Revere and a bunch of other cronies went out
and said, hey, well minute, men, now's the time. And
then they did. And you know, next next thing you
knew it was war. It wasn't being in the wrong
place at the wrong time, It was being prepared. So
what you said was absolutely insane, and I award, you know, yeah,
it was factually incorrect, and honestly it was morally suspect

(12:04):
as well.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, how are you how are you doing this?

Speaker 1 (12:07):
I don't know. I'm ashamed of myself. I try try again,
try again. Anyway, Donald Trump, we talked about some of
the stuff that he's doing on day one. You know
what else is going on day one here? Insanity from
people who don't like Donald Trump. Just insanity, like, uh,
the Elon thing. Did you see this yesterday? Did you

(12:29):
see the Elon thing yesterday? Yeah, we're Elon very very exciting.
I want to talk about that too. It is that
not kind of weird?

Speaker 4 (12:39):
Is what?

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Specifically?

Speaker 1 (12:42):
Elon being so excited and into politics now and now
Zuck Zuckerberg is playing along now too.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Is it not kind of strange that.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
We're here to the point where like the billionaires are
basically just like paling around with the Oval Office. I
don't know, Like, yeah, it's cool that he's a Republican,
but like, I don't know, I don't know how I
feel about that. But anyway, Elon made it. He made
it look like he's a He was the one who won,
and good for him. I mean, he was going crazy

(13:15):
up there. Do you see him fist pumping and he
was like yeah, and uh at the end is my
heart goes out to all of you and then just
did like the heart to the to the sky and
you know, out of context, didn't look so great, didn't
look so great.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Now, No, you don't think there's anything to it, There
is nothing to it.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Come on, But but there are people out there that say,
this guy did the Nazi salute. This guy is saying,
you know, Hail Hitler. Come on, guys, are we being
serious here?

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Like, oh, they're not even trying to heart it.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
These darned Republicans. They're they're they're they're gonna eradicate people
who aren't like them. Like it's talking about a guy
who was born in South Africa. Eh, what a minute,
The guy who's like actually forwardly advanced to society in
multiple ways and you know, we're gonna we're gonna say that. Yeah,
And the guy who's openly autistic. Also, this is a

(14:09):
guy who straight up is like he has been very
open with his you know, the it's obviously a very
high functioning level of autism, but like he physically doesn't
react like we would.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Right, he's not athletic, he's not an athlete.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
He is trying to express himself in a way that
he probably hasn't before, and now he's being condemned for
it because he's pounding around with Donald J. Trump, which,
in my humble opinion, is a reason why we need
to evaluate why he's running a giant social square. Maybe
he's not the man for the job. I just wanted
to throw that out there.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
What what are you? What are you talking about? Was Twitter?
I would like I want to be graceful here, But.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Like what you mentioned, you don't think, you know, because
of his lack of his lack of social awareness. Yeah, yeah,
and truly that is something he's admitted that, you know
sometimes you know, he yeah, kids, kind of boxing in
his own thoughts, and obviously that's worked out really well
for him. But you're saying he shouldn't be running Twitter
or Doge? Are you saying Doge? I'm you know, I'm

(15:13):
de positing that as maybe a suspicious the people, the
people over here are looking at that, and that's what
you're saying. You're saying the people on the on the
left are looking at him and saying, Eh, this guy,
you know, like either he's saying, hey, Hilary shouldn't be
in charge of anything. That's what you're That's that's what
you're alluding to. No, I'm just I'm just saying that
maybe someone who lacks some some uh social graces or aptitude.

(15:36):
If he does, maybe he shouldn't be running a giant
social square. Maybe that's not the perfect combination. Maybe that's
not peanut butter and jelly. Maybe that's like, yeah, but
he wasn't save it, you know, he's he wanted to
save it from death and like like it was it
was bankrupting itself. It was it was dying a slow
death and the bots had taken over. Now there are

(15:56):
still bots, but you know, like he certainly the community
know this thing has been revolutionary to the point where
Facebook is like, yeah, that's the way to go. You
shouldn't be telling people how to how to live their
lives through this. We should just let them have the
ability to like figure it out by giving them the
context and information if we need to. It's been a

(16:17):
mixed back at the very best because he certainly didn't
get rid of the bots. But I'm the wrong. I
don't know why I'm weighing in on this. I don't
really do Twitter. So I told you this. Elon hasn't
been awesome for Twitter, like like he's not one percent,
but he has been like what he has been awesome
for is social media in America?

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Like the first guy through the wall always gets bloody,
and yeah, there's been missteps with the way that he's
handled X. But you want to know something else, You
got Facebook, who's his biggest competitor, saying he's actually onto
something here. That has to mean something. So yeah, like
they're figuring it out as they go. But some of
the stuff that Elon has actually done and instituted actually

(16:55):
has I think propelled us into a more positive realm
in social media where we get to make the decision
is to what we like, don't like, believe, not believe
without stuff just being actively shut down or shadow band
because Zuckerberg or the people who are running Twitter at
the time said yeah, you don't need to see this,
that's bad.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
I want to decide if I want to see it
or not.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
And if you want a community notes it, if it's
not one hundred percent accurate, go for it. Give me
both sides right there. It's good. But the idea of oh,
I'm banning this guy's account because we don't like what
he's saying, that's messed up.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
To me.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
That's a violation of the First Amendment. Elon has saved
us from that, even if he is quite awkward in
social circles. And yes, there is absolutely nothing to whatever
people are saying that he was doing yesterday. And the
people who there are people in the Jewish community who
says as much. It's like, okay, guys, we appreciate you

(17:49):
being so like sensitive to this all of a sudden,
but these are the same people that are saying free Palestine.
Give me a break?

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Am I right? Or am I right? Well, you're not wrong.
Two twenty nine.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
If you want to be a part of the conversation
and anything that we're talking about with Donald Trump, first
twenty four hours, Love to hear from you. Four five
eight eleven ten four two five eight eleven ten. AH
News Radio eleven ten Kfaby, We have Brian on the line.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
Ran.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Welcome to the show today. What's on your mind?

Speaker 5 (18:17):
Welcome back, Mry.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Thanks.

Speaker 5 (18:18):
Well, there are a couple of things I want you
to look up. First on Elon Musk. It would be
look up elon censoring, because you'll come up with a
lot of articles about Elon Musk censoring conservatives, silencing critics.
I suppose he's been silencing anyone, but it's especially come
up in the headlines over the feud over the H

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one B visas and him wanting to be for bringing
in guest workers to replace citizens.

Speaker 6 (18:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (18:49):
The second one I want you to look up would
be Trump asked for National Guard, because it's being said
he asked for national Guard to protect the capital. But
as former acting the Sten Secretary Christopher Miller testified to
the House of Representatives what he asked for specifically when

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he quoted Trump was to quote do whatever is necessary
to protect demonstrators. So he never wanted the demonstrators to
go there and be peaceful. He wanted them to invade
the capital. The tents didn't stop the certification. So if
anyone asks, was there any time he ever acted like
a dictator, especially now when he's made a fool of

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those who said that he was going to go case
by case and not pardon the violent ones who assaulted police.
So he's made fools and liars of them.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yeah, and you know, there are going to be people
in the political right that disagree with doing it as
a whole. And I can understand Brian. You know, if
people are listening and hearing you for the first time,
I mean, Brian obviously very liberal. We like to hear
his thoughts in the perspective that he brings to the show.
The Elon Musk censoring thing I have heard that I know,

(20:04):
Laura Lumer I think was one that I saw in
the last few weeks that you know, kind of was
actively criticizing Elon Musk for you know, censoring her and
you know, kind of taking away her verified badge and
stuff like that. I'm not here to say that Elon
Musk is perfect, but the general population has the ability
to say what they want and not have to worry

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about being censored or being cut off. And that was
a fear especially on Facebook and Meta recently before the
twenty twenty election, especially, and now that's not necessarily a
threat anymore, especially that Zuckerberg is now adding Elon Musk's
idea of the community notes feature to his operations on
both Instagram and Facebook, among the other things that he owns.

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On the other end of the January sixth of pardons,
I'm hearing that I understand where you're coming from on that.
I think case by case would make sense. And you
heard Pam Bondi, the Attorney General, say it would be
case by case she was, you know, a part of
that decision making process. I'm guessing this was just a
statement that was made in a very easy one at

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at best for Donald Trump to say, Look, this is uh,
this is what we're gonna do here. We're going to
end this. These people have been incarcerated for long enough,
they served their time. Uh, there was a lot of
things that weren't on the level there and let's just
move on with our lives. And I think it rightly
so is going to get critiqued by people. But at
the same time, I feel like that's the least of

(21:31):
our worries. I'm not too worried about the people who
were at the Capitol on January sixth, after four years
of them perpetrating another violent crime or perceived violent crime
around the country. That would be my biggest takeaway from that,
If that makes sense.

Speaker 5 (21:46):
He's letting it be known that anyone could commits a
crime in his name to look out for them.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
I mean, you could say that I will do we
have another example.

Speaker 5 (21:56):
I'd have to look for it.

Speaker 4 (21:57):
But you know, that's.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
That's all I'm saying, is just like I'm not sure
we have the.

Speaker 5 (22:02):
People he pardoned in his first term, he's mainly pardoned
Henchman and contributors, people like Michael Flynn and Roger Stone,
and he's doing that again. So yeah, I could come
up with a lot of names given some time. Everyone
he pardoned in his first term.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah again, Brian.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
The only thing I would come back with is what
kind of like perceived threat do they have to the
general population? But I do appreciate your thoughts on this today.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Thanks for calling in sure, thank you, Yeah that you
know I'm here to hear that.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Let's you know, it's not I'm not going to just
say that that opinion doesn't count for something. I mean,
let's be realistic. January sixth, this should be the last
time we ever have to talk about this. By the way, Matt,
can you can you hold that to hold me to
that that after this conversation right now, we can just
like hopefully never talked about January sixth, twenty twenty one

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without like something in incredibly unfortunate happening at the Capitol.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
What in the next fifty years of my life, what.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
If the QAnon shaman like runs for something, you know,
he becomes newsworthy. Yeah, I just think that you say
that it's gonna come up, yeah, because you'd have to
bring that up. Yeah, how is this guy famous? Oh
he was the QAnon shaman at the January sixth I'd
have to bring it up, you know, like when something
just becomes a date, Yeah, nine to eleven, Well, January sixth, Right,

(23:27):
it's just like I am trying to say January sixth,
twenty twenty one, because I don't want it to matter
that much. Like date wise, there are gonna be important
things that happen on January sixth every year for the
rest of time. Somebody might get married on January sixth,
by somebody's kid might be born on January sixth. You
want January sixth to like just live in infamy like
that and just like hang there, or how about we

(23:48):
just like say no, January sixth, twenty twenty one. That
was that was the bad one. I'm trying to separate
it because, like you said, it is a thing. You say,
Jay six people know what that means. Yeah, these pardons
and again I'm not here to say that I'm a
big fan of pardoning people who were you know, we
have them on video of going inside the capital trying

(24:08):
to reek havoc like not everybody was doing that, but
some people were doing that. It was a you're trespassing,
Like you can't just enter that building. Have you gone
inside the Capitol, Like you have to go through you know,
some rigorous security for obvious reasons, and you have to
you're only kind of sequestered a certain area of it.
And I know there were a lot of people who

(24:29):
were kind of in on you know, like hey, we
don't want the National Guard or okay, okay, we don't
want you know, the the FBI people that may have
been present there. Now I don't know like what Capital
police officers were in on whatever, but there are some
suspect things that you see in the video, and I'm
not a huge fan of just letting people just off

(24:50):
the hook for that stuff. At the same time, whatever
happened on that day, four years is a long enough
time for me, and the country has changed enough. You know,
what would be benefits of the country is if you
could take that day and everything that happened on that day,
including Jack Smith in his report, which seems to be
incredibly one sided to the people that were accused or

(25:11):
convicted of perpetrating these issues in these crimes and as
much as I'm not a fan of this is like
the overarching level of what's the word the benchmark for
what is or isn't a crime. Nobody was seriously injured
or died on the police side of this. Ashley Babbitt,
who was one of the people that were there as
a citizen, was taken out, and that is incredibly sad.

(25:36):
But as much as that group wanted to create chaos,
the bad actors among them that wanted to create chaos,
and they were breaking windows, and they were like breaking
their way into the Capitol, and they were grabbing things
and stealing things and harassing the officers at the capital
steps and things of that nature, I think that they
should deal with some punishment. It's been four years, you know.

(25:56):
There are people serving a lot less time for more
violent things that they have done. And all I'm saying
is if this just lets us move on as an
American public, then I'd be in support of that. But
I don't want this to turn into look like Brian said,
you're justified if you're doing anything on the behalf of
the Republican Party or more specifically Donald Trump or the
Make America Great Again movement, then you're gonna be taken
care of. They're going to make sure that you're not

(26:17):
going to be held accountable for being in trouble. And
I don't think that's the message that was saying here.
I think this is a message of let's move on
with our lives. That's all I'm saying. I'm not in
any way condoning anything that happened on that day, for
good or for bad.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
But I would love to never have to talk about
it again. But could you see it being troubling that
it seems like both sides have made some politically motivated
pardons in the last forty eight hours.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Absolutely absolutely like to me, I don't want to be
this guy. But you know when they talk about the
old and Roman days, you know, it's just, you know,
I understand what both sides are doing, and I understand
all the executive vorders. Most of them are just undoing
bidens or redoing Trump things that were undone by Biden.
You know, it's just like that pettiness of going back

(27:05):
and forth as no, I'm gonna have it this way,
and then the other guy took it away, and then
and now he's back in office, he's gonna put it
back to the way that it was, and that with energy,
did it with the southern border and things of that nature,
like of course, but we can't be kidding ourselves. You
can't just be like one side or the other, like
Hunter getting pardoned, Fauci being pardoned, the January sixth Investigative

(27:31):
Committee being pardoned, the entire Biden family being pardoned preemptively,
among many others, and then Donald Trump doing essentially the
same thing for different types of people. And this is
you know, I'm not going through the entire laundry list
of people that have actually been pardoned. But I gotta
tell you you got to be at some point looking
at both sides, and you say, okay, like can we

(27:53):
just get to like making legislation that makes sense for
the rest of us and are protecting a bunch of
people and hopefully and hold me to this until I
absolutely do. I do not want to talk about January
sixth anymore. Fair, Okay, you get to punch me in
the face if it comes up. WHOA thanks to me, No, no,
no caller can just call in and say I'm married
up January sixth. And then Matt punched me in the face.
It's not how it works. I have to bring it up. Look,

(28:13):
I won't be punching anyone in the face. Well, I
just want people I will I will hold you to it.
I just want people to know that, you know, like
I have the reconsequences for me going back on my
word because I go. I get on people when they
go back on their word. That's all I'm saying. Two
forty nine. It's news radio eleven ten k if it
be Emery's songer. The president's pardon is not like all

(28:36):
powerful is. It's you know, something that can be you know,
you can be pardoned for something from the president of
the United States that doesn't save you from like a
state crime. That makes sense, easy enough, right, Okay? Yeah,
had Cindy say, please say something anything about Milania's hat.
Everyone seems to be tiptoeing around that hat. I found

(28:57):
it to be distracting in a definite myss from a
very fashioned forward woman.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Am I wrong? Did you see the hat? I did?

Speaker 1 (29:04):
It was a big hat. It was a big hat.
You couldn't see her face very well. Hope she was
late to get up there with the Bible when Trump
was doing the doing the swearing in so she's holding
the Bible, Trump's hands not on it, and then of
course the visual of that everybody's so attacking him for
not putting his handle by. It was like, oh, Millennia
was like, that's allid fifteen seconds late to getting to
the spot, or maybe they should have just waited for her.

(29:26):
I'm in no position to tell people what to wear,
except for you. You're the only person I've ever said,
don't wear that, mostly just for a bit on the radio. However,
I do I approve of what I wear. In fact,
I enjoy me and wearing what I wear, and I
don't even approve of what I wear, like I don't
have good fashion sense, Like who am I'd tell Malania

(29:47):
not to wear that. I thought it was a bold move.
I thought it was a cool hat. It was a
little aggressive. It was aggressive. You know why people are
tiptoeing around to Cindy because she takes that hat off
as she could take out ten to twelve people just
swinging in around.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yeah it's fair.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
That thing had a razor edge. I think that mostly
it reminded me of a Derby outfit. Yeah, you know,
like Kentucky Derby style. But you know, she does what
she wants. You know, who am I to tell her
what she can and cannot wear. Cindy seems to think
that it was a big miss and it was distracting. Yeah,
it was a big hat. AJ said January sixth should

(30:23):
never have been talked about after January seventh, twenty twenty one.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
I would tend to agree. But the problem is we haven't.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
We haven't had a we hadn't had a breach of
security at a capitol building since of that nature, since
eighteen twelve. So, you know, I feel like it was
at least newsworthy for a little while. Are you guys
being serious right now? Or is this a bit I
don't know. People broke into the Capitol building. I think
that's newsworthy. Can we all just like be honest with

(30:52):
ourselves for half a second? Don't have to be partisan
about everything. A couple of weeks, a couple of weeks
in the news cycle, at least people probably should have
had some punishment. Four years that sounds like an awful lot, though,
considering what we know now about the entire thing.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (31:06):
I don't know, And then Scooter says, how does Brian
not know that it wasn't a case by case. Trump's
team has been reviewing those cases for months and probably
research supported pardons for all of them. Can't rule it out, certainly,
they've been talking about it for a long time. Either way.
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John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James one Rod, John Quincy, Adams,
Andrew Jackson, Martin Van Buren, William Henry Harrison, John Tyler,

(32:01):
James K. Polk, Zachary Taylor, Miller, Fillmore, Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan,
Abraham Lincoln. Those are the first sixteen. I just wanted
to prove to you that I could do it.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Congratulations.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Oh you're not impressed. Uh, that's very cool. Andrew Johnson, Ulysses, S. Grant,
Rutherford B. Hayes, James Garfield, Chester, Allen Arthur, Grover, Cleveland,
Benjamin Harrison, Grover, Cleveland, Grover.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Huh, he got twice. Is in there? Twice there was
he sandwiched. He got the old sandwiched.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
He sandwiched to Benjamin, which, by the way, Benjamin Harrison
is the grandson of William Henry Harrison, the guy who
died after thirty days in office because he cut the
moaning because he had too long of an inauguration address. Huh,
his grandson became president. One of the odds. Benjamin Harris Harrison,
Harrison and Joe Biden both got sandwiched.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah, I just wanted to throw that out there in
case anybody's into those pub quizes. You know, it's like
the eighteen eighties, right that Benjamin Harrison was the president.
It'd be interesting to know like what happened there, right,
Like how did Benjamin win and then Grover Win. I
haven't done enough reading and research on that. Maybe it's
because people don't look at the Grover Cleveland administration with

(33:13):
any sort of remarkability. But you know it's fascinating, isn't it.
Isn't it fascinating? Yeah, the exact same thing happened the
one hundred and forty years ago that that happened now
a guy to non consecutive terms as President of the
United States, and then after Grover Cleveland, it was William McKinley,
Theodore Roosevelt, William Howard Taft, Woodrow Wilson Well, Warren G. Harding,

(33:34):
Common Coolidge, Herbert Hoover, Franklin Down and Roosevelt. That guy's
the only guy I got elected more than twice four
times in a row. What did he who did he
think he was?

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (33:45):
At the same time, I mean renowned for his work
getting us through the depression in World War Two, although
I do have to ask, based on historical records, if
you were in office long enough during a depression, you
would have been able to be pulled out of it
by something. And then for him to get us in
and out of World War Two, I mean we were
kind of sitting ducks in Hawaii. Weren't we nobody holding

(34:07):
an FDR accountable for that? You know what you know
kept him popular? Two words, can you guess them? Like ability,
that's one word. And fireside chats is what I was
going to do. But it's basically, you know, when the
president is coming in via your radio on a regular
basis and you can hear him in that era, you

(34:30):
didn't have to like read it in a newspaper or
just guess as to what was being done, Like you
never would have seen this guy before. You never would
have heard this guy before. You're relying on journalism to
like tell you what is or isn't happening. It makes
it very difficult to understand what the federal government was
doing for you when you lived in a place like Iowa,
Nebraska in the nineteen thirties, and then all of a

(34:50):
sudden there was a guy that was the president of
the United States and you were hearing him on the
radio regularly during times of great strife in this country.
That had to have felt some what comforting that you
just seem to know the guy way more than you
would have any other president in American history. That's why
he got elected four times. Yeah, yeah, I wonder if

(35:12):
people will you know, when people revisit things and we're
feeling less politically charged about this and that, and people
are revisiting, Okay, why did Donald Trump get elected twice? Yeah,
I think they'll definitely mention the tweeting. So I think
that there are some there are some you know, similarities,
there's some inroads a form of communication that he kind
of revolutionized, and so you wonder. I mean, I'm just

(35:34):
waiting thirty twenty thirty years down the line that we
will have the first president who communicates via neurlink and
we just hear their thoughts. That would be bad. Yeah,
I would not be a fan of that. But if
they but if they normalize it, I don't want to hear.
I don't want to hear any of that. You know
what I'm saying. They just perturbed me. But you know what,

(35:57):
like you never know, by the way, Harry S. Truman, Dwight,
the Guys and ar John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson,
Richard Dixon, Gerald four, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush,
Bill Clinton, of course, after Bill Clinton was George W. Bush,
Barack Obama, Donald Trump, Joe Biden, Donald Trump forty seven,

(36:20):
I looked at you. For anybody listening, I'm not reading
this off a list. I'm staring into the days of
Matt Case.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Here he was. I did this all by memory.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
He did.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
He did it all by memory, and he had to
look at me the whole time. That is a feat
of strength. Yeah, well, if you weren't just so darn handsome,
take it back. I like I like, I like the presidents.
I'm a I'm a I'm a fan of talking about
this because history is important. You can never know too
much about where we came from. That's where I'm at,

(36:51):
even though I do never want to talk about January sixth,
twenty twenty one. And again again I just mentioned it.
I didn't talk about it, but I have emails here,
so I have to, you know what I mean? Like,
I just want to. Can I read the emails? Can
we institute to never talk about this ever again?

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Tomorrow?

Speaker 1 (37:06):
Oh tomorrow, maybe two days from now? I see, keep
pushing it back. You know why you keep pushing it
back because it was a relevant and big thing that happened.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Teresa says a couple things first, Malania's hat was gangster looking.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
I loved it.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
She kind of looked like she could have been a
woman for like Capone. When you think about it in
that context, she could have been like in the movie. Yeah,
she looked she looked dangerous. She looked like the Barbara
Hershey and the natural. I think you dressed that way
to impress, but you also address that way so that

(37:42):
people don't talk to you. If there's one thing we
know about Milania, we know that she seems to be
you kind of kind of leave me alone type energy.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Didn't she have the giant shades on for election night? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (37:56):
She looked great, though, gosh, what a woman, Which is great,
but it kind of comes to the territory that you're
going to have to like speak up, you speak out.
She wrote a book to avoid this. Remember the book.
The book that came out said stop talking to me. No, no, no, no.
It got a lot of publicity at the time I
had an election, maybe because she said she greatly disagrees

(38:17):
with her husband on abortion. Like the excerpt that went
out to the people in the press was Milania is
very pro choice. She wants she thinks that women should
have the ability to make that decision for themselves on abortion,
no matter where they live, and it got a lot
of heats. There's like, WHOA, what is she saying? This
is crazy? We haven't heard much about the book. But

(38:39):
maybe she just wrote the book. It's my theory she
wrote the book so people wouldn't have to ask her
a bunch of questions.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
That makes sense.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Yeah, she kind of wants to be left alone, it
would seem anyway. Second, Teresa says, you can't compare Trump
and Biden's pardons. The people Trump pardoned were actually charged
with crimes. It's interesting a lot of people that Biden pardoned,
the high profile people for a blanket period of time
to protect them from anything that they may have been
like investigated or prosecuted for on a federal level. Donald

(39:09):
Trump's pardons were to people that actually were explicitly tried,
charged and convicted of a charge, tried and convicted of
various topics, which is kind of what a pardon is
supposed to be, right. Although we talked about this when
it happened with Hunter specifically, Nixon was pardoned by Gerald

(39:31):
Ford when he actually wasn't charged with anything either. And
we really haven't like Our Supreme Court hasn't really figured
out if that is or isn't like a legal thing
that you can do like constitutionally, and if they haven't
even thought about it and been able to figure it
out since that happened in the seventies. I mean we're
talking like nineteen seventy three. This happened nineteen seventy three,

(39:51):
seventy four. They didn't know what to do, you know
what I mean? And the Supreme Court's not gonna figure
that out now. So I don't know, is there not.
There's got to be something in there, right, There's just
like he made it a point to say, this isn't
an omission of guilt, but I'm pardoning them, so they
aren't like looked into or something. The hardships that would

(40:13):
take and put on people. Can I ask a question, sure,
if you got pardoned for just a period of time,
Let's say you were a real rambunctious kid and from
the time you were eighteen of the time that you
were thirty, somebody was just like, he's pardoned, but you
hadn't actually been charged with anything. They're just like the
rumors were going that there was maybe something at play here,

(40:36):
maybe you were doing something a little nefarious, but we
hadn't quite pinned it down yet, and before we could
get you with it, you've been pardoned for that entire
window of time where something could have happened. Am I
supposed to not think that maybe you're guilty based on
that information? Even if I'm being told this isn't an
emission of guilt, my brain's telling me, why would you

(40:57):
need to be pardoned if you aren't guilty? That would
be like, my only thing is like, but you don't
want you like? Is it just because you don't want
them to suffer the investigation? That's the scary part about
the time we're living in when either side seems to
be making politically motivated pardons just to protect them from
any of that stuff. And how do we correct that?

(41:19):
I mean, if it's not an admission of guilt, then
why are you doing it? If you don't think Anthony
Fausci did anything wrong, then why are you pardoning him
for a specific length of time? If Hunter Biden is
being parted for the one thing that they did to him,
which was what this gun charge in whatever, but you
blanket parted him for like from twenty fourteen, on. Do

(41:41):
you not understand that that makes me feel like, okay,
so what happened in twenty fourteen that would have made
you feel this way, even if it's not an admission
of guilt. I got a brain, you know. Isn't that weird? Yeah,
when you blanket pardon people now, Now Nixon would have
been a different conversation, right, And Nixon he was kind
of that the rights if they had the charges up
against him. I can understand that one specifically. Again, I

(42:04):
don't know how constitutional it is, and we still don't
know how constitutional it is, but it just kind of
seems like an admission of guilt. That's all I'm saying.
Three nineteen more on the way coming up. I want
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Radio eleven ten kfab Emery's suner on news Radio eleven
ten kfab. I had a couple other things I mentioned.
Milanio was late to bring the Bible up to the

(42:26):
front for the oath of office so Donald Trump could
have his hand on the Bible while one hand was
in the air, and Gina said some choice words about
Chief Justice John Roberts and saying she didn't wait for
her to stand up and yeah, that's fair too. I
mean he kind of accelerated it. I think the timing
was messed up. It's an inauguration. You'd like to get

(42:46):
everything picture perfect and right for the history books. But unfortunately,
you know, sometimes there's stuff I don't think you meant
to do it. But just like you know, I I
don't know. To me, I feel like, you know, I've
met some stuff up in my in my day. There's
a time I got married, Right, you get one wedding,

(43:07):
one opportunity, you do a rehearsal and you go to
have you ever been to a wedding rehearsal? You got
you sit there and you kind of go through all
the things. But there's a lot to remember, right, like
if you're kind of a It was between me the
DJ who was doing the microphone work and all that stuff,
and my my my pastor, who was doing the actual officiating.

(43:30):
And there was a moment where my wife comes down
the aisle and her dad is walking her down the aisle.
When her dad walks her down the aisle, I'm supposed
to wait in my spot as she gets down there,
and we do a prayer and then I go get
her from her dad and shake his hand and all
that stuff, and I forgot when what I was supposed

(43:53):
to do that, So you know what I did. As
soon as she got there, I ran over and grabbed
her and shook his hand. And my pastor was like, uh, emmory, uh,
I guess bring her back up to the I botched it, right.
I can't go back and fix that, right. I just
got a little excited. And my thing is, you know,
maybe Chief Justice John Robbers got a little excited and

(44:14):
Malania couldn't run up there fast enough to get the
Bible there in time.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
That's all I'm saying, you know. Or maybe she was
lost in thought.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Maybe she couldn't see anything because of her hat.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
All plausible.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Heyesus is on the phone line four two, five, five,
eight eleven ten, A zeus, what's on your mind today?

Speaker 6 (44:28):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (44:29):
You know, I like to open up can of worms.
And you know, I think Melania looked very classy. Okay,
she was a very classy lady. Yeah, he looked amazing.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
As for when if you look at Kavanaugh when he
went up to Jdvance, he said to.

Speaker 7 (44:45):
Place your hand on the Bible when JD. When Roberts
went up for Trump.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
He didn't say that to him, go back and go listen.
He didn't say put your hand on the Bible. Then
they would have looked back and and Milana would have
made it there in time, you know, wait for his family.

Speaker 7 (45:03):
He didn't get up there. Yeah, okay, yeah. So and
then the other thing too.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
If you watched when it was Martin Luther King's birthday.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Right, well, Martin Luther king Day.

Speaker 7 (45:13):
But yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
Next, Trump was going, we would like to make this,
you know, his dream.

Speaker 7 (45:20):
He was talking about Martin Luther's King and accomplishing the dream.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Everybody stood up except for every single Democrat did not
even stand up the president, not even Obama, not.

Speaker 7 (45:33):
Even Bush stood up.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
They didn't even collap yep, when he did that. Yeah,
as a minority, that just shows me they don't really
care about that.

Speaker 7 (45:47):
They just watch your.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Vote correct and hazeus your rear spot on. They'll never,
like I said, Donald Trump could announce that they have
found a cure for cancer, or they have figured out
a way to feed every person in the entire world,
and there'll never be a war for anything ever again.
And they'll not give him that credit because it's a
game like like like they want to be in power
and they want to win elections and as soon as

(46:09):
in George W. Bush, I don't know what his deal is,
but for all these other people that are representing the
Democratic Party, specifically, any clapping for Donald Trump and anything
that he says is an admission that he did something right,
and they never want to do that.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
The other thing too, it's just such a hypocrisy. January sixth,
what about the Antifa riots? What about the BLM riots
that they destroyed.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Property in multiple cities? Yeah? Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
And then the other thing too is then you hear
CNN saying where is the crowd? We're going walking around
the you know, the Washington DC, and where's the crowd?

Speaker 7 (46:48):
I don't know if you heard that.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
That's what what's that one lady's name that mad Howard
mac dogg or I don't know where he was over
there complaining that are saying where is the crowd?

Speaker 7 (47:02):
Then they took a picture of last year's I mean
last when he his inauguration and all the people there,
yeah this time, and then it's like just hypocrisy. Yeah,
but so yeah, well so angry.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Yeah, I got you, hazus I appreciate your thoughts today.
Thanks for calling in man. We always appreciate you.

Speaker 7 (47:21):
Hey, thank you for taking my call again.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
Appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (47:24):
Love the show.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Hey, I appreciate you.

Speaker 7 (47:26):
Hey. Can I say one last thing?

Speaker 3 (47:27):
Yeah, Hey, when you have when you have other people
taking over and then like yesterday, you know, I'm not
trying to say anything bad, but you know, there was
no way for us to call in to talk about
stuff with with Scott or anybody because I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
Well, but yeah, yes, I'll just I'll just let you know.
That is kind of like an executive decision of each
host that kind of like everybody, I like to have
my phone line as open as possible most of the time,
and that's my preference. I like to talk to people
most of the or like a lot of other hosts,
I haven't been around a host like that usually. I

(48:03):
produced a lot of shows for different people and they
don't really take a lot of calls.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
It's just kind.

Speaker 7 (48:08):
Of I figured it out that he didn't have he
didn't have anybody to take calls for him.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Yeah, that makes it, and it makes a difference, but
you know, it just it's a it's a host preference.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
You know, hazus, So don't feel too offended.

Speaker 7 (48:22):
Yeah, I appreciate it much. Hey, I love your show.
Thank you very much. Appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 7 (48:27):
No Trump, No Trump, That's all I have to say.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
I'm hear you, heesus. Thanks for calling in what he's
saying about Rachel Maddow and all that stuff. Right, Yeah,
I mean it's it's the same exact concept. It's really
literally just we can't give like anytime that we can
tear down the other side we want to because that
makes our side look better. That is, I mean, both
sides do it. It's it's not it's not specific to

(48:52):
one side or the other. And I don't get too
upset about it at this point because it really is
just part of the game. It is incredibly normal for
there to be total hypocrisy. What's good for the goose
is never good for the gander. And that's what you're seeing.
And that's the thing about the pardons that we talk about,
the politically motivated pardons. There are a lot of people
celebrating the pardons that you know, Biden is making to

(49:14):
protect some people, and they're you know, going after Trump
and his pardons and vice versa. Let's you there is
a way that like both of them are just doing
the exact same thing on opposite sides. You can you
can say that it's either okay within their presidential power
to do so, or it's not and it shouldn't be.
So I don't know, Like it's just American politics is

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rife with terrible hypocrisies and that's just the reality of it.
We just have to learn how to live with it
and understand that it's just going to happen on both
ends of the deal. Three thirty is the time we'll
come back. We got more coming up if you want
to call in. Four two, five, five, eight eleven ten
is the number right here on news radio eleven ten
KFAB and Marie Sunger on news radio eleven ten KFAB.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
You know what place has a smell? Key West? Is
that right?

Speaker 1 (50:09):
I'm sure people still enjoyed being there this time of
the year, well.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
This time of the year, maybe it's cold enough, it
doesn't reeak.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
This was not brought to you by Key West's visitors Bureau.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
We'll phone call.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Phone lines are out, but if you want to give
us a phone call four h two five five, eight
eleven ten, four oh two, five, five, eight, eleven, ten,
and we're talking about all sorts of stuff with the
first forty eight hours Donald Trump being the president of.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
The United States.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
I guess you know, it's really only been just a
little over twenty four to be completely honest with you,
and let's go ahead and start with Carol. Carol, thank
you for being on our show today. What's on your mind?

Speaker 8 (50:45):
Hi, I'm just a little bit nervous here. So I've
been following this pardon, these pardons of Biden. So I
had like a three things to add that I had
heard that, like you might be interested in. One is
it doesn't apply to the state. Yeah, maybe, And maybe
I came in late, so maybe you've gone through these
points and I, you know, I didn't totally.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Okay, Carol, it's all good. It's all good. That's a
good point for sure, for sure.

Speaker 8 (51:12):
And then and maybe you went over this too. When
you accept this pardon, you lose your Fiste Mendment.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Right, that is correct.

Speaker 8 (51:18):
So they can pull some of these people in and
try to pull some of the threats. Probably I don't know,
maybe it won't even be worth it. And then the
other thing is they did discover it. I'm not sure
of the date, but I think they said a Supreme
Court ruling it goes back to nineteen fourteen that says
quite clearly, if you accept a pardon, you are admitting guilt.

(51:41):
And they had two death row people, remember he commuted
some of the death row. They didn't take the pardon
because they're trying to get new, you know, trials, and
they said that would make them guilty, and that was all.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
That's a good point, you know. And that's the other
thing to Carol that I think we sometimes don't we
don't think about it too much. It's just kind of
like what is It's not just like your pardon and
then you're just like free to go forever. You know.
All three of those points kind of keep these people
at least in the crosshairs if they need more information
or potentially if they've committed a state crime. In some

(52:15):
cases they could still be uh, you know, go through
the entire the entire process there. But I appreciate you calling,
and you did. You did great, Carol. Thanks for having
show a great date you as well. Yeah, it's interesting
she's mentioning Burdick versus the United States Burdick versus the
United States was a case where the Supreme Court basically

(52:39):
said a pardon person must introduce the pardon into court proceedings.
Otherwise the pardon is considered a private matter, unknown to
and unable to be acted on by the court. No
formal acceptance is necessary to give effect to the pardons.
If a pardon is rejected, it cannot be forced upon
its subject. And the opinion eventually, at the end of
this deal, UH stated that a part and carries an

(53:00):
imputation of guilt and acceptance of a confession of it.
And that's what they said in that case. So if
you want to read more, it is quite interesting. Verdick
versus the United States is what she mentioned, really interesting stuff.
I didn't even know about this. It's a very very
good point there. From Carol, let's go to Fred, Fred,

(53:20):
welcome to the show today.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
What's going on, Yes, sir.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
Along the lines of President Trump pulled some security clearances
on some of them fat cats. Yeah, when I was
near Army fifty years ago, and give her take, I
had a security clearance and when that was no longer
part of my job, they reduced it too. Confidential versus
top seeker or whatever it was, and they said, if
they took it all the way down to nothing, you
could never get a passport to leave the country. Now,

(53:44):
I don't know if that's still the same or not,
but like I said, it's been fifty to fifty one.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Years ago now, Yeah, And that's fascinating, right, It's just
Oppenheimer kind of gave me a little bit more. I
know it as a movie, but it's based on a
real guy, and Robert jaff I did actually have his, uh,
have his security clearances revoked a little a few years
down the line because of his potential communist sympathizing before.

Speaker 4 (54:09):
He right, I kind of knew that from the moving myself.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
Yeah, yeah, So it's interesting, you know, I read a
little bit more about that, and it actually happens quite
quite a bit where there are people that they say,
you know, are you know, threats to the United States,
and they you shouldn't have the ability to go overseas
and talk to people. So it is fascinating that that
would happen, those security clearances be revoked for people who
are indeed kind of aligned with people that Donald Trump says,

(54:33):
it doesn't make a lot of sense for him or
the United States.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
So I appreciate you bringing that up. Fred. That the
definitely the.

Speaker 4 (54:40):
Time was I don't need a security corn clears to
Google corner sway Beans.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
That's true. That is definitely, And the guy.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
Kind of looked at me, So I'm serious, So I
guess you are. But like I said, I was reduced
to confidential versus there's about seven layers above that. So anyway,
somebody had a little experience years who I just wanted
to bring it up.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
I appreciate it. Fred, thanks for calling in.

Speaker 4 (54:58):
Take care, stay warm though, yeah, he was.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Well, definitely stay warm. Travis is on our phone line
at four O two five five eight eleven ten. Travis,
welcome into the show today. What's on your minds?

Speaker 6 (55:09):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Yes, sir?

Speaker 6 (55:11):
How are you doing today?

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Doing great? How are you doing?

Speaker 6 (55:13):
Not too bad? I wanted to talk to you about
the how he wants to get rid of the tax
on overtime. Yeah, so I mean that's great now, I
work construction and overtime for us is great, but it
could possibly come down to, well, okay, so we're there's
no tax on overtime, what's it not give overtime and then,

(55:37):
you know, because a lot of us constructs, the workers,
a lot of construction workers out there, they travel a lot,
and they and that's what they rely on to have
to support their families and everything else. And then they
get rid of that, then it kind of tanks to economy.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Yeah, and it just kind of depends, right, And I'm
kind of fascinated to see what else happens beyond, you know,
like these tear tarriffs and if they can't kind of
get to quick negotiations with that, like what happens to
like the farmers that rely on some of those exports
in that situation. So I guess I would just be
a little cautious about jumping to too big of a

(56:14):
conclusion on that until we kind of see it in action.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
But I'm with you, Travis.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
First of all, thanks for doing all that hard work,
because I certainly would be no good at it. And
I'm very thankful for the people that are out there
making sure that our buildings and you know, even the
guys who are working on the roads and everything like
that that are able to do this. But it is
definitely something that's going to be interesting. All the talk
about not just this but tips not being taxed, and

(56:41):
just you know how different the world looks based on
some of the stuff that we've heard from Donald Trump
before he took office, and what he would do once
he got to office, and what that looks like once
it's actually enacted. It's going to take a little bit
of time to see what the effect is.

Speaker 6 (56:56):
Well, I would well not to have attack on my overtime.
That'd be great. I just who knows what the outcome
could be. Hopefully it's a good one, I mean, but
nobody knows.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Yeah, it's gonna we just have to sit here and try,
you know, a few months down the lines to come
back and say, Okay, so what isn't actually going so
well and why isn't it Maybe we come back to
this conversation. Travis, you call back in and said, hey,
I told you that this is probably not the great
thing for us to be doing, and maybe that's something
we have to we'll talk about when.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
We get there.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
Right, Absolutely, I appreciate the call, Travis, Thanks.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
For listening to us.

Speaker 6 (57:30):
Yeah, you two thinks all.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Right, we'll take more calls coming up if you want
to be a part of the conversation. Four O two
five five eight eleven ten. Is the number four h
two five five eight eleven ten. Well, yeah, more coming
for you on news radio eleven ten, kfab and raise
song there right now, let's go back to the phones
at four oh two five five eight eleven ten, and
we got Jim on the line.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Welcome Jim. What's going on?

Speaker 9 (57:49):
Hey, every thanks for taking my call. You know, yesterday
I listened to what his innaugural address and he talked
about all the things he wanted to do. I thought
everything he said that was probably one of the best
or arguville address that I've ever heard. And the reason
why I called you is, you know, you had Carol

(58:09):
on a little while ago with the pardons and me,
and you've had the conversation for word for word what
section two of Article two says clearly of the pardons
that the president has on it. I also wanted to
talk to you a little bit because you haven't said
nothing yet about it about the birthright citizenship.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 9 (58:31):
One take a lot of pride in Trump. President Trump
saying what he's trying to ondo the birthright citizenship. So
it's going to go to the Supreme Court. And supposedly
there was a case in the eighteen eighties that said
that you can have birthright citizenship. But MEMN. Fourteen does

(58:52):
not say that. But let me clearly state two things
on those two things right there. Now, you and Caro
talked about a case that you guys just talked about
as far as somebody admitting being omitting a crime when
they get a pardon from the president. Yeah, it's clearly
states he shall have the power, have the power to

(59:15):
grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States.
You have to be convicted of an offense. If you're not,
even if you haven't even been convicted of an offense,
how can you get a pardon for something exactly what
the word says. Now, I'm not going to go too
much into it because me and you had that conversation,
right and we can always go to the federalist papers

(59:37):
see what they had to say about why they put
that in the constitution. That's why the federalist papers are
so important. But you know, I have conversation with you
and I talk about the constitutional whte and everybody just
laughs at me, Oh, it's Jim with the constitution and
this and that. Can you imagine if they had to
get into the Federalist papers. What they were saying.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Well, well, I'll say this, Jim.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
I think this is why I love it when you
call in, because of your passion for what the actual
founding fathers wrote down pen to paper. When James Madison
wrote this stuff down, is like, this is a this
is how we want this to be. And we're still
learning about different interpretations of this. But as we talked about,
and like you mentioned, for anybody who missed the conversations
that we've had in the past about this specific thing,

(01:00:19):
my first response is, well, Gerald Ford, you know, gave
Richard Nixon a full pardon for anything that he did
while he was in office after he resigned and Gerald
Ford became the president, but he hadn't actually been charged
with anything either, so we're still trying to figure out.
I mean, that was never really like heard by the
Supreme Court at the time, which kind of gives Joe

(01:00:39):
Biden this little avenue to preemptively pardon these blanket pardons
to the people that haven't done anything yet.

Speaker 9 (01:00:45):
I tell you what, I could comment on the Nixon thing,
but I got that much time on the radio with you.
Usually when we call in so I want to really
get to their birthright.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Yeah, go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 9 (01:00:56):
It's clearly states all persons well born or naturalized in
the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof. They
forget that part of it. Our citizens of the United
States and of the state wherein they reside. They got
to be subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

(01:01:18):
People crossing our borders illegally are not subject to our
They're not subject to the third jurisdiction of the United
States because they are alien. They are immigrants from another country.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:01:31):
For all persons born or naturalized in the United States, Yeah,
they're citizens of the United States as long as they're
born and nationalized. But they got to be subject to
the jurisdiction thereof.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Interesting.

Speaker 9 (01:01:42):
So again, now even the on the amend of fourteen,
you obviously don't go to the fensalis papers because at
Amendment fourteen was ratified in eighteen sixty eight, I do believe, Yeah,
and so you may want to go through the ratification papers.
The actually July ninth of eighteen sixty eight is when

(01:02:02):
it was ratified. You want to go to the ratification papers,
and you want to go to the House in the
Senate at the time. To see they have to they
have to amend the Constitution. They have to propose that
amendment then send it to the states to be ratified
state legislatures, especially latures. If you look at their ratification papers,

(01:02:22):
you can make and you can understand or even the
House in the Senate when they proposed the amendment, to
understand why they did it. They obviously did it to
make the black slaves of the United States. And guess
why they did that because of the dread Scott decision.

(01:02:43):
Oh my gosh, you mean the Supreme Court got something wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Yeah, that's quite interesting when you bring it up in
that context.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
And if you go back and read about lease, just like.

Speaker 7 (01:02:51):
The case.

Speaker 9 (01:02:54):
In the eighteenth eighteenth eighties, when we're talking about worth
right citizenship, does that mean the Supreme Court got that right?

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
No?

Speaker 9 (01:03:02):
How about the equal and separate but equal right right
the Brown the school Board of School of Education in
the nineteen fifty you overturned that right. Anyway, I'm gonna
let you go. I just throw that out.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
I appreciate it, Jim, Thanks for calling in. Man.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
That guy knows a lot and I'm glad that he
calls in with such passion and vigor with what he's
talking about, and that really tells you that this birthright
citizenship thing is a little bit more difficult to interpret
than just today you're born in the United States of America,
that you're you're immediately.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
A citizen of the United States of America.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
It's quite interesting when you pair it down and realize
that it really is not that simple. Don't believe what
you read on the social on the social media.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
You know what happens when he calls in. This is
what my brain sounds like.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
Oh you can't is that the I have to shut
down because I have too much.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
I have too much going on in there.

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
I have that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Well, yeah, well I'll try to interpret that next as
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