Horrible Tragedy in the Sky. Helicopter & Airplane Collide, Killing 67.

Horrible Tragedy in the Sky. Helicopter & Airplane Collide, Killing 67.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I want to dig in. I got plenty of audio
to play here. First of all, I'm going to from
NBC News last night, Tom Costello did an excellent job
of explaining exactly why the Reagan National Airport it's technically
in Alexandria, Virginia, it's right next it's across the Potomac
River essentially from Washington, DC. But I mean they're butt

(00:21):
right up against each other, they're right there together. Why
is this airport so much of an issue with different
aircrafts being in the same place at the same time.
And Tom Costello from NBC News last night did I
thought an excellent job of explaining this.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Well.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
First of all, since nine eleven, so twenty some odd
years ago, you pilots have not been allowed to fly
over Washington, DC proper, right, you can. I'll fly over
the White House, over the Capitol Building, over the Lincoln Memorial.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
You have to come in.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Essentially, you're shooting the runways by coming down either up
or down the Potomac River, and that requires that they
have to make a turn no matter which way they're coming,
if they're coming from the north or if they're coming
from the south, they kind of do a last minute
bank to hit their rumway. Pilots have to be on
their game to hit these rumways. But I've talked to
a lot of pilots who say they love coming into

(01:14):
Reagan National because it does require some piloting skills and
that's what they love to do. But what's challenging here
is that it literally sits across the river from a
very busy heliport, a military heliport. There's a lot of
activity coming and going with not only Marine one for
the President comes in and out of that helicopter base.

(01:34):
We've also got Coast Guard operations up and down the river.
There's diplomatic helicopter activity. There's also police helicopter activity. So
this is a very busy corridor. And when you are
in this area, you will notice you don't see any
air traffic over Washington, DC if you're a tourist, but
you get to the river and you'll start to see
a lot of air traffic and that's where the planes

(01:55):
are coming in at the same time. So you know,
to be working air traffic control here Reagan National, you
already have to be a good controller. You've got to
be on your game. We've had some closed calls here
in recent years at Reagan National with planes getting too
close to each other, and some of them have had
to suddenly wave off at the last minute, all bought

(02:15):
a landing, if you will, all board a take off
at the last minute, and we've had some issues where
that was either a pilot air or air traffic control AIR.
You've got to be on your game at this airport.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
So Tom Costello with excellent information there from NBC News
last night. Okay, so I have I have one question.
Correct me if I'm wrong here, and I apologize. I'm
not sure how much room I'm going to have to
take calls on any of this stuff today because we
just have so much to get to. But if you're
trying to call in, we may open the phones a
little bit later on. We got a lot to get to.

(02:48):
Why are we doing training flights? And we'll get to this,
like what exactly this flight with this chopper? Why is
this happening in the dead and night at an airport
where there already is a ton of graphic issues and
it's also incredibly difficult to kind of maneuver flight or
planes into this runway. How is there another aircraft of
any kind especially a military aircraft anywhere near the front

(03:11):
of this runway, Like, is it unfair for me to
just ask that question without knowing better, because obviously it
shouldn't have been there, But how is that even possible
that it's there? In that moment, it feels like there's
got to be a different direction. We can fly these
choppers to train some guys. Now again, we'll get to
exactly the parameters of that training. But that's not an
unfair question. I don't think right, No, I don't think so.

(03:31):
I have to think that you're not the only one
asking it right now.

Speaker 5 (03:34):
You know.

Speaker 6 (03:36):
It's one of those where it is hindsight twenty twenty.
But yeah, you put all those facts together and it
leads nothing but just questions as to why this set
of occurrence would be even possible.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
The risk reward factor there of like, Okay, you're learning
how to or you're continuing to show your proficiency of
operating this Blackhawk chopper. But also in the dead of night,
we're going to do this by sight. We're going to
be like watching for planes and stuff, but we also
don't have apparently the radar to a point where we
know that there's a plane coming from this direction. I mean,

(04:10):
there's just a more questions than answers. So here's Pete
haig Seth, their brand new Secretary of Defense, who again
is working on the transparency of what the government is
going to provide. Here is Pete Haig Seth on what
he believes. Well, he gives us more information. He didn't
believe anything. He tells us exactly what this chopper was
doing in the sky last night, just on the edge

(04:31):
of that runway next to Reagan National.

Speaker 7 (04:33):
But I also wanted to give an update on the
tragedy that happened last night here in Washington, DC and
provide a little bit more information as we are actively
working to investigate and understand what occurred and why. At
about eight forty eight last night, a UH sixty assigned
to the US Army Aviation Brigade in the Military District

(04:54):
of Washington Fort Belvoir, Virginia clodded tragically with a civilian airline.
The unit involved the Army unit involved with Bravo Company,
twelfth Aviation Battalion at Fort Belvoir. It was an annual
proficiency training flight. And when we look at the crew
and we're not not all can have been notified, so

(05:15):
we're going to withhold ranks and names at this point.
We do know on our side who was involved. It
was a fairly experienced crew and that was doing a
required annual night evaluation.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
They did have night vision.

Speaker 7 (05:30):
Goggles the twelve Aviation Battalion. As of now, it's granted
a forty eight hour operational pause on contingency missions as
what happened is reviewed, and a senior level aviation team,
an investigative team from our Aviation Safety Center who's deployed
last night it already is in Washington, DC to investigate

(05:51):
what's going on. We anticipate that the investigation will quickly
be able to determine whether the aircraft was in the
corridor and at the right altitude the time of the incident.
As I mentioned, next of kin notifications are ongoing. It's
a tragedy, a horrible loss of life for those sixty
four souls on that civilian airliner, and of course the

(06:13):
three soldiers in that black Hawk. They're in our prayers,
they're families and their communities as people are notified. I
can't imagine, and I know it's gone from a rescue
mission to a recovery mission. And we're with all the
first responders that are moving actively to so at the
Defense Department, our thoughts and prayers go out. We are

(06:34):
actively investigating to find out what happened and why, and
as we get updates, you will have them.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
God bless good transparency there from the new Secretary of Defense,
Pete Hegseth.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
But now from his.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
It was fairly vague, but we know fairly experienced crew
three soldiers. They were doing a regular and previously scheduled
flight flight test, essentially regular evaluation for night flying. I
don't know if that's an evaluation for the aircraft or
for the pilots. You would think it's for the pilots

(07:09):
because you would figure the aircraft would operate very similarly
between daytime and nighttime. Either way, I'm not here to
make those assumptions, but it adds just a little bit
of context to the military side of this, and that's
of course why he would be involved. The American Airline
CEO Robert eisam Is also last night had a statement.

(07:32):
We'll play that coming up next for you so you
can hear the American Airlines side of this. That's the
of course American Airlines that was one of their smaller jets,
their American Eagle Jets that was involved in this collision.
If you want to leave a comment for me. Again,
I'm not sure I'm going to be able to take
calls today. We've got a lot going on in the studio,
but you can email me Emery em e r Y
at kfab dot com and I'll be able to look

(07:54):
at and respond to emails today, so we'll do that.
We'll have plenty of things to give away as well,
so if you're looking for some prizes, tickets to Supernova's
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as well. We'll do that throughout the show, but we'll
take a break first, come back and hear from American

(08:15):
Airline CEO Robert Isam next on news Radio eleven to
ten KFAB oh Marie, American Airlines in charge of the
We heard from the Secretary of Defense Pete Haig Sith
kind of explaining what that chopper was doing in the
first place, the Blackhawk as kind of an evaluation flight
at nighttime. And they were using night goggles. They are
certainly going to look at exactly what they were doing

(08:36):
there and what we can do in the future to
maybe mitigate exactly what happened here, and obviously what a
tragic situation. But on the American Airlines front, their CEO,
Robert Isom, last night, within a couple of hours of
the actual crash itself, posted a video on social media
went everywhere, So this is fairly new after the event happened.

(08:57):
Of course, you're going to hear him kind of talk
about some things in the president. You just remember in
the context when he was talking about this, there was
still a rescue mission, not a recovery mission, So he's
a bit vague on how he talks about the passengers
of the people who were on the plane, because at
this point we didn't really know a whole lot. But
here is for complete transparency, a couple of minutes of

(09:19):
this video from American Airlines CEO Robert Eisam about what
happened last night.

Speaker 8 (09:23):
Hello everyone, I'm Robert Iism, the CEO of American Airlines.
I want to brief you on a serious accident that
occurred involving an American Eagle aircraft. The aircraft was operated
by PSA Airlines, which is a wholly owned subsidiary of
American Airlines. First, and most importantly, I'd like to express
our deep sorrow about these events. This is a difficult

(09:46):
day for all of us at American Airlines, and our
efforts now are focused entirely on the needs of our passengers,
crew members, partners, first responders, along with their families and
loved ones. I know that there are many questions, and
at this early stage, I'll not be able to answer
all of them, but I do want to share the
information I have at this time. American Eagle Flight fifty

(10:10):
three forty two, operated by PSA Airlines, a CRJ seven
hundred aircraft traveling from Wichita, Kansas to Washington Reagan National Airport,
has been involved in an accident near Washington, d C.
It appears to have collided with a military aircraft on approach.
Flight fifty three forty two was under the command of

(10:30):
four crew members and carried sixty passengers for a total
of sixty four people on board. We are actively working
with local, state, and federal authorities on emergency response efforts,
and the American Airlines Care Team has been activated to
assist our passengers and their families. We're cooperating fully with

(10:52):
the National Transportation Safety Board in its investigation and will
continue to provide all the information we can. Our cooperation
is without pause, and we want to learn everything we
can about today's events. That work will take time, but
anything we can do now, we're doing, and right now.
That means focusing on taking care of all passengers and

(11:12):
crew involved, as well as their families. Members of our
GO team will be on their way to Washington, DC,
and I'll be heading there shortly as well. We know
that many people will be concerned for the welfare of
their loved ones, and we've set up a special helpline.
Friends and family can call at one eight hundred six
seven nine eight two one five. That's one eight hundred

(11:36):
six seven nine eight two one five if you believe
you've had friends or family on board American Eagle Flight
fifty three forty two. We understand and appreciate that people
are eager for information. Please know that we'll continue to
share accurate and timely information as soon as we can,
but anything we must report must be accurate. We owe

(11:57):
that to everyone involved. Our team of highly trained professionals
will be working around the clock to support our passengers,
crew and their families however we can, and we'll update
you as soon as we can.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
Thank you, all right.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
So that is American Airline CEO Robert aim I suppose
this is not an easy situation, but if we're thinking
about this from as fundamental as standpoint as we can.
You've been in a plane before, I've been in a
plane before. This is a smaller aircraft. I think most
of the flights that I've ever been on are you know,
a seven thirty seven or a seven twenty seven or
something like that. It's a large aircraft. Like I went

(12:32):
down to Tampa direct flight down to Saint Petersburg. There
was like one hundred and sixty people on that plane.
This is a sixty person plane. So it's small. That
doesn't mean though, that it doesn't also have to fly
incredibly fast to get the altitude that it needs with
its engines. The responsibility of trying to swerve at the
last minute to avoid an aircraft is going to be

(12:55):
much more difficult for a jet of this size at
this speed, especially on the the pitch that it is
to try to get down into this tarmac onto the runway.
It's going to be incredibly difficult for the jet to
be able to do anything to avoid this at the
last minute. The only thing I can think of is,
was that chopper too low to register on radar that

(13:17):
they would not have known that it was there. That's
the only thing that I can think of, Because there
are so many instruments that help avoid collisions in any
modern aircraft, especially you would think something from American airlines
and from the United States Army. I don't know we're
gonna hear about this, but my gut instinct is that
I don't know if there's anything that this jet could

(13:37):
have done to avoid what happened to it. We're gonna
learn they haven't recovered the black boxes yet. They are
in the process of working with, like he mentioned, the
NTSB National Transportation Safety Board to try to understand what
they can do. That investigation is going to last a
long time.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
Again.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
We're going to talk about what exactly that chopper was
doing there in the first place, why that training flight
was happening in that area at that time in the
darkness of night, but also whatever communication was happening from
the tower to these two aircrafts and how somehow they
ended up in the same place at the same time
and collided, resulting in what is believed to be at

(14:18):
this point all souls perished in both aircrafts, an unspeakable tragedy.
And I saw a video that was going viral last
night of local television. I don't know if it's from
Alexandria or from Washington, d C. They were at the
airport and they found a man who said his wife
was on that plane and basically did an interview with

(14:38):
him in this moment, and he, for whatever it's worth,
he answered their questions and he showed them like his
last text messages and stuff with his wife, and he said,
I'm just praying to God that my wife is getting
pulled out of the water basically like in the moments,
like just within a couple of hours of this happening.
And to me, as somebody in the media, I just
can't understand the callousiness it probably took for that reporter

(15:02):
and cameraman to shove their microphone and the camera in
the face of a man dealing with the emotions in
that moment of what in all likelihood is losing a
loved one. We have to be better as journalists. And
I understand that you want to get information. I understand
that that's something that their job is to get ratings.
Their job is to get info. Their job is to

(15:23):
understand what's happening in the most complete way possible. I
didn't need that, and so I saw it. I watched
it for the first time. I was horrified. I was
you know, the guy held himself very well together, he
was very well spoken for what was happening. But I
have just I have no words for people in this industry,

(15:44):
not necessarily radio specifically, but in the media in general,
and the callousness that some of us have to even
have the audacity to talk to that man in that
way and film that just a couple of hours after
this tragedy when he didn't know anything. It's completely irresponsible
and it gives people in our industry an incredibly bad name.

(16:05):
I just wanted to get that off my chest too.
All Right, we'll settle down here. We will do a
segment of calls, maybe two segments of calls on this
before we advance into what's happening on Capitol Hill. We'll
talk John Cook and his press conference a little bit
later in the show as well. I got a bunch
of tickets to give away as well. So let's go
ahead and do that now, can I? Matt, And you

(16:25):
think it's okay for me to, like, you know, cleanse
my palette a little bit here after getting upset about
this giving away some tickets, you think, is that okay?

Speaker 4 (16:35):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (16:35):
You know?

Speaker 9 (16:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (16:36):
I mean we can we can do some happy things today,
right right? You know this this conversation stinks. We're gonna
do is We're gonna cleanse our palate a little bit.
I got I got a four pack, don't I. It's
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(16:56):
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We will give those tickets to the thirty seventh caller.
Next on news Radio eleven ten, Kfab and Marie Sunger
talking about this air plane crash. I got the phones

(17:18):
open if you have some comments. I'm only taking calls
this hour on this because I got too many other
things I gotta get to. So go ahead and if
you want to call in you got a comment, feel
free to I today. I think email's best. You can
email me Emory at kfab dot com. That way I
can get and kind of organize the thoughts here. But
if you'd like to call four oh two, five, five,
eight eleven ten. Richard sent in this note when ATC

(17:42):
that's the tower control ask the helicopter if they had
the CRJ insight the plane. They acknowledged that they did.
The controller then told them to pass behind the jet
and they also acknowledge that as well. Now we have this,
there's recordings of this happening, right because people are constantly
monitoring this. You can monitor this type of thing. There's

(18:03):
a lot of people who are fanatic about planes in
their plane communications and how that operates. But that's an
interesting thing that we can at least hear how that
conversation was going, at least at the time. Now, Rick
says he was relieved of keeping them separate at that
point unless the helicopter called them and said they had

(18:24):
lost sight of the jet. This was the fault of
the helicopter pilot and was probably a terrible accident. The
pilots of the jet most likely didn't see it coming
at all. I am an instrument rated private pilot of
forty years. Well, I appreciate the note, Rick. So this
is an interesting perspective of sight lines because knowing like

(18:48):
I've been in a plane, but I haven't been in
a cockpit of a plane. But I can imagine in
the cockpit of a jet like this, there's going to
be a space underneath the plane that you just cannot see. Now,
you would hope that your instrums we're able to would
be able to like let you know what exactly is
happening underneath you. But if they're not at a certain altitude,
maybe it wouldn't be. And at this point we got

(19:08):
to imagine the helicopter wasn't super high off the ground.
The video show being pretty low, especially considering what the
u you know, as as we talk about this, right
the plane is on like within gosh, a few hundred
yards of the actual tarmac. It was very very close

(19:29):
to being on the ground, so it's super low. There's
a chance that they didn't even see it. There's a
chance that it wasn't on radar. Same thing for the
helicopter pilot as well. They very well may in the
dark have lost where the jet would have been in
that situation. We'll get to the phones here. Four h two, five, five,
eight eleven ten. We'll start with Chris. Chris, Welcome to
the show today. What's on your mind?

Speaker 9 (19:49):
Yeah, just kind of following up what that caller said
they did have that was already CBS and Fox last night.
We're already saying that the tower did contact the helicopter
for the helicopter did have confirmation of the plane and
as the flash, And I know everything'st speculation, but they
they had an eye on that plane, but supposedly it

(20:12):
was the wrong plane.

Speaker 4 (20:13):
Yeah, and I heard that as well.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah, and I think Chris wasn't in a plane that
had taken off that they were thinking that they were
being told to avoid and not the plane that was
coming into land.

Speaker 9 (20:24):
Well, you know, it's kind of funny because all the
video that they were showing from the wherever this other
camera was that showing this if hard to tell which
one the helicopter had eyeballs on. But I do know
as military those I just can't. I can't fathom those

(20:47):
guys have a night vision goggles on in a civilian area,
because he, for one, is about on the filaments within
the night vision goggles.

Speaker 5 (20:55):
Two, there's no reason to have it. It's not a
war zone and they shouldn't be training with those night
vision goggles. And three if they had confirmation that you know,
there's people saying they weren't on the right frequency, Well
they had to have been if they communicated with the tower. Yes,
we have confirmation, right, they would.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
Have just been confused at which plane they were looking at. Yeah,
I have a lot of questions as to what this
chopper was doing on a training flight. There was no
specific need for them to be in this spot to
begin with, and then we see the tragic consequences.

Speaker 5 (21:29):
Yeah, yes, yes, Chris. That's not a place for training.

Speaker 4 (21:33):
Ch Chris, I appreciate you calling in. Thanks so much
for listening. Have a good day, all right you as well.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Mark is on the phone line of four two, five, five,
eight eleven ten, Mark, what's on your mind?

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yes, I mean, I'm a pilot so b it's very
hard to see, you know, multiple planes at night, especially
at a busy area like that. But when the you
know my perspective, and I did email you a very
good explanation YouTube link that's only about seven minutes long

(22:03):
if you get a chance to look at it, very detailed.
But basically, the CRJ pilots did nothing wrong. And yes,
the helicopters are communicating on a different frequency to a
different controller than the CRJ pilot, So that's the one
thing that's going to be confusing. But there is an

(22:24):
approved procedure for these helicopters to fly out of that
air Force base, and that's probably going to be the
big problem is why do they have an approved procedure
like this? That is, it's approved, so they're on an
approved flight path, they're on a training mission, and so

(22:45):
in part of that they're training. So they're talking back
and forth and the pilot that's supposed to be responsible
to right sea pilot for you seeing other airplanes, he accepted.
So there's kind of a really a rule, but it
is a rule. Is so when he said I have
the airplane insight, then that relieves the air traffic controller

(23:07):
of maintaining separation. He said, I will maintain separation, and
so that pilot of the helicopter had accepted responsibility to
maintain separation and was told to fly behind the CRJ.
So no matter how you cut it, the pilot or
pilots in the helicopter are going to end up being

(23:30):
responsible because they accepted this, which is a very aircraft term,
when they said I have it insight. If they would
have said I don't have it insight, then the air
traffic controller would have had to maintain separation and told
them turn left, do something, fine, do something. But the
other key is there below four hundred feet.

Speaker 5 (23:52):
So the.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Equipment in the CRJ, the one that automatically tells them
you're going to crash, climb, you're going to crash, descend,
that part of it is disabled under a thousand feet
because they can't tell the airplane descend because you're going
to be in the water. So that's going to be
a factor that they were under a thousand feet. If

(24:18):
they're above a thousand feet, the airplane would have told
the pilot climb, climb, and they have to. That's a
rule that this equipment put in after another Mideric closure
long him a long time ago. But they're required to
do what that machine tells them to do. But below
one thousand feet that machine's disabled.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Yeah, and that would explain how the jet wouldn't have
known that the chopper would have been there. Plus, like
we talked about, it's difficult to see anything that's underneath you,
especially in the.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
Dark like that.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
We mark that in their banking to the left to
make run way three to three. So when they're banking
to the left, airplane turns up so they're not seeing
things on the right side of the airplane, correct, because
the airplane is banking right.

Speaker 4 (25:05):
The guy on the right is looking into the sky
at that.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Point, right, So why they didn't give them this Because
they're on an approach to runway one right, which is
a straight in approach. And then they had him turn
the land on the shorter runway, which is CRJ can do,
and they're probably doing that just to get more traffic
in on runway one right. And then that pilot of
the CRJ, somewhere before these recordings would have accepted that

(25:30):
as an approach that.

Speaker 9 (25:31):
You would do. Well.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
The only thing that mark I guess what would explain
this is if they just were looking at the wrong
plane and they told the air trafficker that they were
talking to that they had the plane in sight, but
it was a different plane and not the plane that
they were like they were concerned about in the air
traffic tower. They had the two planes mixed up. This
is good stuff. I'm going to try to watch that video.
I got it pulled up on my y. Yeah, I

(25:55):
appreciate you. It happened that by Mark. Appreciate you listening
to us, you too, all right, I gotta take a break.
Thanks for the notes there. If you want to email me,
that's best way to get a hold of me about this.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
Emery E. M. E. R Y at kfab dot com.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
More on the way on news radio eleven ten KFAB
Emery Meal, which I think is kind of interesting, says
hi Imriy. I'm personally a pilot and I had a
few thoughts in this incident. From the information I have found,
I'm thankful for the education I have received in aviation,
and one of the things that maybe as a contributing
factor is the concept of visual separation in the video
and audio recordings. The helicopter requested and acknowledged to have

(26:32):
visual separation where the separation of aircraft is in responsibility
at the pilots also the two aircraft. I believe we're
on different frequencies but talking to the same tower controller.
There are a lot of factors and speculation about this stuff.
Everyone not to speculate and let the investigation run its course.
I one hundred percent agree, But you're not going to

(26:55):
stop people from trying to figure out what happened themselves.
And that's just the unfortunate reality that we live and
from everything that we have heard, and this is coming
from somebody likes to fly. I like to travel. I
like to get on planes to go from one place
to the other. This is not going to stop me
from doing that. This is the first legitimate major air
disaster that we've had with the plane in this country

(27:16):
since two thousand and nine. But it is concerning to
me that this has the ability to happen at all.
I need the US Army. I need the military, I
need the Air Traffic Control Agency. I would love for
NTSB in our federal government to assure us that this
is something that is not going to happen in the future.

(27:37):
We have to be able to separate what a training
flight is for the military that isn't required in that
space at that time, and just for the sake of
people's safety. The risk reward factor between these two things
just does not compute to me and our thoughts and
our prayers to all of the families of any of
the sixty seven people who we believe are all lost

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after this horrific accident that took place last night. Now, again,
I got a lot of things that are positive that
I want to talk about, and a lot of interesting
things that aren't so, you know, heart wrenching, and I
want to start by giving something away right now. I
have a four pack of tickets to the Omaha Supernova's
home game tomorrow. If you want to be a part
of the winning team on that and you want to
go to the game, call us now. I'll take the

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thirty ninth caller. Call her thirty nine. We'll win a
four pack to the Supernovas tomorrow night at c HJI
Helson or Omaha. Call us at four oh two five
five eight eleven ten. Four h two five five eight
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