February 19, 2025 • 17 mins
IVF Nightmare: Who's at Fault? What's the Right Thing to Do?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Don't chase it away. I won't chase it away.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
It's like Santa Claus, right, It's just like, if you're
not going to bed, Santa Claus isn't going to come.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
What if Santa Claus was kind of skittish, you know,
and if you talked about him too much, you'd be like.
Speaker 4 (00:10):
I don't know if I want to come tonight.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
That's exactly what. And that's why I'm afraid about spring.
So if we talk about spring too much, it just
keeps it staying further and further away. If you're going
to talk about me, I'm not going to come. I
want to come on my own accord.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
That's how I was. My mom would be like, wash
the dishes.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I'm like, I'm a lot more likely to wash the
dishes on my own accord than if you're telling me
to do it. Yeah, it's a lot more rewarding for
me if I do it by telling myself I.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Should do it. I want to do it my way.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Yeah, So something like that. But anyway, what we're talking
about fifty degrees something like that.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Oh, by this time next Tuesday, sunny with a high
of fifty.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Three, how about that? It'd be nice that's no cod weather.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
If you've been bundling up, that's like a sixty degree
difference from what we're dealing with now. Anyway, got a
couple of things on my mind here the uh sorry,
just finishing an email to a guy. I saw this story.
I'm surprised by this. I don't know what here's the deal.
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A woman in Georgia, thirty eight year old Christina Murray,
is suing Coastal fertility specialists. She gave birth to a
baby through IVF. Now, for those who may not be
super familiar about how IVF works, it is a fertility treatment. Now,
this is a very complicated story, but I just wanted
(01:30):
to let you know this. In vitro fertilization, apparently there
was a mix up. Have you heard of a mix
up while you're pregnant? Like the baby that is inside
of a woman as it is growing isn't actually her child. Now,
there's a way that that could happen, right, It is
like a surrogate mother. But this wasn't the intent here.
According to the lawsuit, this woman, Christina Murray of Savannah, Georgia,
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is suing because she selected a donor who looked like
her with dirty blonde hair and blue eyes. That was
how she was trying to have a child. She it worked,
She became pregnant delivered a baby in December of twenty
twenty three. You want to know what happened after that.
She is Caucasian, by the way, a white person. She
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selected a donor who was also the same ethnicity, and
the baby that she birthed was African American. The IVF
mix up, she got the wrong, She got the wrong
how do I say this?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
The wrong baby.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
And it wasn't as easy as just like having the
wrong baby in the nursery. This was like she requested
the DNA test. The baby she birth has no genetic
relationship to her whatsoever. The people at this IVF facility
gave girth the wrong baby for her to birth the
way that you know they help you with the in
(02:54):
vitro fertility that get.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
That that thing right.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
And yeah, I'm guessing she's gonna win. She said that
she was she wanted to care for this baby, but
because of the mix up, it's not her biological child.
And she bonded with the baby of course, as anyone would.
I mean, you still went through that this was her
first baby, I mean, and she's thirty eight years old, right,
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I mean, thirty eight is for a woman. I mean,
we're getting into kind of a jeriat I think they
call it the geriatric phase of being able to deliver
a healthy baby. But this coastal fertility specialist, according to
the lawsuit, she's accusing them of implanting someone else's embryo
in her body. And that's what the DNA test pretty
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much says happened. Could you imagine. Now she got sued
right after that for custody from the people who that
was their embryo. Oh boy, so she had to give
them the baby after five months after she.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Gave birth and raising Arizona? Is that what? That is.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
A different plot? But wasn't that there was a mix
up that some bandits stole a baby?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Well, this was a baby that she birthed, and according
to her, it was an embryo she gave birth to
that she was given by this fertility clinic and it
wasn't her baby. And then because she wanted to keep
the baby even if it wasn't her genetic baby, the
couple whose genetic baby it was that she birthed after
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five months sued her to take custody back off him.
Which side of the fence are we on on this
is it? Who should have had the baby? I think
we probably need Solomon for this one. This is a
tough one. Yeah, the people whose jeans the baby is
or the person who birthed the baby boy, Oh my goodness.
I mean it's a it's a calamity. Welcome to twenty
twenty five. I mean that is a calamity. Well, this
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happened in twenty twenty three. But yeah, whose side are
you on there? There's like, there's no somebody, a deserving
person is losing there. I don't want this brave new
world so well.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I mean IVF.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I think many people think IVF is good for mothers
who want to have the ability to be mothers.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
But for sure. But on the other hand, rotten tomatoes
for raising Arizona ninety one percent.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I just wanted to drop that in there. You're very
bad at changing the subject. TJ says a wife, and
I did IVF. It's very expensive and it's grueling. We
came out with five embryos, we lost one, but now
have four beautiful children. My fear is people going through
this process and then discarding multiple viable embryos. Financial assistance
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is fine and all, but it scares me with folks
wasting embryos. Also, wife and I joke about us getting
reimbursed like we should for our student loans.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Lol.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yeah, that's a complicated thing. But for people who want
children or having fertility issues, the idea that this exists,
that's a blessing. You can't have a fertility place, get
the embryos mixed up. Could you imagine? Now, obviously they
should lose this lawsuit. Whatever the lady is asking for,
she deserves to get.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I don't know. I feel like this will go back
and forth. Can you imagine the lawyers on this case.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Well, there's gonna be a lot of them, because whatever
happens here is gonna be something that's going to be
used every single time something like this wherever to happen again.
Hopefully it never happens again. Who has hurt? Who is
her embryo? So where do you come out on it?
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Well?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I think that the people who it's their genes, they're embryo,
they should have the baby.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
I know she gave birth to the baby and she
said she was bonded to the baby, and she wanted
to keep the baby even though it wasn't her genes.
But it's not their fault that their genes were put
into another woman's body.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
If this does go before a judge, they're gonna have
to really resist to just go full on Solomon with.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
This, you know what, I mean, it will, but we
it's the this is like a precedent thing, like if
this ever happens again, how are we going to handle it?
She already has relinquished custody of the kids. She's not
getting the kid back, but she should be given plenty
of like dollars, interests, whatever it takes from this fertility place,
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this IVF place, Coastal fertility specialists in Georgia, because they're
the ones that screwed everything up. I mean, it's their
fault any of this happened. She's already suffered enough. All
she wanted to do was to have a baby, and
she wanted to take care of it. She's a woman
who's like getting on the edge of being able to
have a baby at all, with or without help with
fertility treatments, and they helped put the wrong embryo for
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her to take care I mean and you're not gonna
know that. You're not going to know it until the
baby is born. And that's when she said, Okay, this
doesn't look like mine. It wasn't hers. They DNA tested it,
and the couples who it was, they probably I think,
I agree that they deserve to have custody of that baby.
But if that's the case, the IVF place has to
give a ton of money to the woman that went
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through all of that and she doesn't even get to
keep the baby. Just a horrible, all round terrible thing. Anyway,
if you have gone through IVF for if you're hearing
this and you're, you know, have a different opinion on
what exactly is going on with it, feel free to
email me Emory at kfab dot com or you can
call four oh two five five eight eleven ten four
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oh two five five eight eleven ten news Radio eleven
ten KFAB.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Emory's songer I'm on news radio eleven ten KFAB.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
A woman in Georgia went and got her fertility treatments,
was pregnant and had the donor and everything, like you know,
she she had anticipated what the baby would be and
what it would look like. Recognize that the baby couldn't
possibly be hers. They DNA tested it. It does not
have her genes in it. It was a mix up
at the fertility clinic. She was sued for custody of
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the baby by the people whose actual genes were belonging
to the baby, and then she is now in the
process of suing the fertility clinic, which makes all the
sense in the world to me. Well, I have just
questions about IVF and if you have experience or opinions
on this, I'd love to hear from you. At four
oh two, five five, eight eleven ten, Rich is on
the phone line. Rich, Welcome to our show today. What's
going on?
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Hey, hello everybody. I just tuned in and I was
hoping you're going to have a light topic. But this
is kind of a deep one. There's so many angles
in this. As it said that, the best way I
can see of doing this is really taking it step
by step, every single part of it. Uh. My concern
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is as you're going through this, the child is growing,
and at the rate that the courts will move, you're
looking at the easy two to three years. Yeah. One
part of me is saying, which this is a very
difficult decision to make is that the child becomes the
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custody of the state.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Well yeah, well, Rich, I just sorry to interrupt, Rich,
but they already have like say, she was already sued
and the custody has already been awarded to the genetic
parents who didn't birth her. But but that she's suing
now just I think for damages basically for the fertility
clinic to pay her money for what she's gone through.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Yeah, well I'm still this should this should you know,
whether was neglegent or incompetental whatever.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
But yeah, it's a crazy story, man, Like not many
of these do. You just feel bad for everyone involved,
you know, But.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
I said, that's kind of how it goes. Some of
this to a certain degree is new West and new
as far as that technology. But if you're familiar with
the scriptures as far as what happened with Abraham Ishmael
Higg and Sarah is kind of a crazy time then too. So,
you know, but I really feel for the child, really
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feel for the child and the child coming up if
both of all the parties involved, if they can show
luck towards the child. And I don't know if cold
parenting or what, it's a mess.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
You know for sure, and I think that's the best
thing there is if this woman could at least still
be a part of this young person's life as they
grow up. And I'm hopeful she's still in her thirties.
I'm hopeful that she has the ability to try to
have another child if she so chooses to do so,
because she's kind of been robbed of that experience that
she so desperately wanted to have because of something that
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was not her fault. It was something that was the
fault of the fertility plant. So it's it's crazy stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Rich. I appreciate as always you calling in man, Thanks for.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Listening, right, everybody, stay warm.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
We'll try. Yeah, we'll try.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Steve's on her phone line at four oh two, five, five, eight, eleven, ten.
Welcome in, Steve. What do you think about this?
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Well, on a scale of one to ten, how emotionally
scarred and hurt is she's got to be a minimum
at eight.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Right, Oh, at least I couldn't imagine.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Yeah, and you can make an argument for for eleven
I stole depending on her mental state.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Absolutely so. Anyway, so are we talking millions, tens of million,
the hundreds of million? What are we doing for.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Well, it's a lot less than that. According to her attorneys,
she's seeking a judgment in excess of seventy five thousand
dollars and punitive damage, recover attorney fees for all of
the like her being sued by the genetic parents and
this treble damages, and any other cost. So it's really
not as much money as you would think she would
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be due in something like this. But again, I think
you probably sign a waiver of something, Steve, don't you
that says, Hey, if this doesn't turn out exactly how
you planned, you can't sue us because there's a chance
your body just isn't like taking this. But this is
a completely different problem. So I'm not sure what like
the because I'm sure there's plenty of paperwork you have
to sign before a place like this even does anything
to you.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah, but there's no way you can dismiss your own negligence.
I ow one hundred percent agree. I would really hope that.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
I mean, seventy five thousand seems a lot less than
I would be asking, to be completely honest, But you
know who am I.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
If I was her doctor, I'd go down to the
bank and I'd write a check for whatever she wants.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
This is all she's asking for, Yeah, Jane.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Asked time, asking enough for an attorney to make a dollar, right.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Well, and that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Well, and that's why they put any attorney fees or
recovered attorney fees are also going to be uh kind
of separated in there. But Steve, this is the other
thing too, Like you said, the emotional damage is way
more than any dollar amount that she could get, right. Like,
I've had days where, you know, I feel like I've
been a success and I have, you know, enough money
to be able to like live a solid life, and
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sometimes like I don't care about that. Like sometimes sometimes
like yesterday when I talked about, you know, my car
trouble and all that stuff, sometimes that's all I think about.
Like this is one hundred thousand times worse than my
day yesterday. I don't know how you ever recover from
this experience.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Well, time heals all.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
Hopefully there's enough time for it to heal.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
That's a That's that's my hope as well. And I
think it could go a long way if she has
a chance to at least see that baby. But Steve,
thanks for calling man. Really appreciate you. Yeah, that that's
some wild stuff, man, That is some wild stuff. TJ
sends a follow up email and says it's the genetic
parents that do deserve the right to have the child.
The IVF clinic needs to be sued into oblivion. The
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hang up is they don't store frozen embryos on site.
They get shipped off and there are too many hands
involved and too many mistakes can be made. It makes
a It makes a big difference, man. It makes a
big difference when we're talking about this stuff from a
very fundamental perspective and makes it difficult, difficult to understand.
Got one more time for one more call here. Let's
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take James here. James, thanks for calling in. What's on
your mind?
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Hey? I just loogled IVF and I wanted to make
sure I knew what I was talking about. And so
they go in, they retrieve the egg, they fertilize it,
and then.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
They put it back. Yeah put it so she got
the wrong egg?
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Yeah, yeah, what happened to the other egg?
Speaker 2 (14:58):
So that right, And that's the other thing. There wasn't
an answer to that, But apparently some of these embryos
do get wasted. According to an email from a guy
that TJ who sent me a couple of emails, who
actually did this for all four of his kids.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
They used IVF for all four of their kids.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
But he says there's just the They do not store
frozen embryos on site. They ship them off and other
people get involved. So that's what he says from his experience.
I don't know exactly what the operation standards are at
this place in Georgia specifically, but it does seem like
it's not as simple as, hey, we got this thing
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right here. You know, there's there's been doctors that gave
people like the wrong heart or something right like they
and somehow that happens. I don't know how it happens, James,
but they misplaced They put an embryo back with this
woman and it wasn't hers, and there have been no
answers as to where hers ended up. Okay, yeah, you
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would think that the other family that this was their kid,
maybe they got it, but that apparently wasn't the case.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
Yeah, maybe somewhere in the world that reverse happened.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
You know, it's incredibly possible, James. And that's the one
thing about this stuff that a lot of people are
just kind of like, uh, is this the kind of
technology that we need to invest in. I think it's
good that people want to have children and they're willing
to go through these steps. At the same time, though,
I mean, look at what could end up happening if
things go south.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
That is certainly something else.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Thanks James, appreciate the call.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, what a wild story.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
On a scale of one to ten, that's like a
nine and a half of just like everything that could
go wrong did go wrong for that one woman and
other people involved. The one place that needs to answer
for that is certainly the fertility treatment place, the coastal
fertility specialist. I think we'll hear more about this as
this case either get settled or a judge actually hears it.
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Three twenty eight when we come back, got a fun
interview coming up for you, and much like Rich said,
hopefully a fun topic. We got a fun topic coming up,
so stick around on news radio eleven ten kfab Emery Songer.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
I don't know how to put this, but I'm kind
of a big deal. On news radio eleven ten kfab
Don't chase it away. I won't chase it away.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
It's like Santa Claus, right, It's just like, if you're
not going to bed, Santa Claus isn't going to come.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
What if Santa Claus was kind of skittish, you know,
and if you talked about him too much, you'd be like.
Speaker 4 (00:10):
I don't know if I want to come tonight.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
That's exactly what. And that's why I'm afraid about spring.
So if we talk about spring too much, it just
keeps it staying further and further away. If you're going
to talk about me, I'm not going to come. I
want to come on my own accord.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
That's how I was. My mom would be like, wash
the dishes.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I'm like, I'm a lot more likely to wash the
dishes on my own accord than if you're telling me
to do it. Yeah, it's a lot more rewarding for
me if I do it by telling myself I.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Should do it. I want to do it my way.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Yeah, So something like that. But anyway, what we're talking
about fifty degrees something like that.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Oh, by this time next Tuesday, sunny with a high
of fifty.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Three, how about that? It'd be nice that's no cod weather.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
If you've been bundling up, that's like a sixty degree
difference from what we're dealing with now. Anyway, got a
couple of things on my mind here the uh sorry,
just finishing an email to a guy. I saw this story.
I'm surprised by this. I don't know what here's the deal.
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A woman in Georgia, thirty eight year old Christina Murray,
is suing Coastal fertility specialists. She gave birth to a
baby through IVF. Now, for those who may not be
super familiar about how IVF works, it is a fertility treatment. Now,
this is a very complicated story, but I just wanted
(01:30):
to let you know this. In vitro fertilization, apparently there
was a mix up. Have you heard of a mix
up while you're pregnant? Like the baby that is inside
of a woman as it is growing isn't actually her child. Now,
there's a way that that could happen, right, It is
like a surrogate mother. But this wasn't the intent here.
According to the lawsuit, this woman, Christina Murray of Savannah, Georgia,
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is suing because she selected a donor who looked like
her with dirty blonde hair and blue eyes. That was
how she was trying to have a child. She it worked,
She became pregnant delivered a baby in December of twenty
twenty three. You want to know what happened after that.
She is Caucasian, by the way, a white person. She
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selected a donor who was also the same ethnicity, and
the baby that she birthed was African American. The IVF
mix up, she got the wrong, She got the wrong
how do I say this?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
The wrong baby.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
And it wasn't as easy as just like having the
wrong baby in the nursery. This was like she requested
the DNA test. The baby she birth has no genetic
relationship to her whatsoever. The people at this IVF facility
gave girth the wrong baby for her to birth the
way that you know they help you with the in
(02:54):
vitro fertility that get.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
That that thing right.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
And yeah, I'm guessing she's gonna win. She said that
she was she wanted to care for this baby, but
because of the mix up, it's not her biological child.
And she bonded with the baby of course, as anyone would.
I mean, you still went through that this was her
first baby, I mean, and she's thirty eight years old, right,
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I mean, thirty eight is for a woman. I mean,
we're getting into kind of a jeriat I think they
call it the geriatric phase of being able to deliver
a healthy baby. But this coastal fertility specialist, according to
the lawsuit, she's accusing them of implanting someone else's embryo
in her body. And that's what the DNA test pretty
(03:39):
much says happened. Could you imagine. Now she got sued
right after that for custody from the people who that
was their embryo. Oh boy, so she had to give
them the baby after five months after she.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Gave birth and raising Arizona? Is that what? That is.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
A different plot? But wasn't that there was a mix
up that some bandits stole a baby?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Well, this was a baby that she birthed, and according
to her, it was an embryo she gave birth to
that she was given by this fertility clinic and it
wasn't her baby. And then because she wanted to keep
the baby even if it wasn't her genetic baby, the
couple whose genetic baby it was that she birthed after
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five months sued her to take custody back off him.
Which side of the fence are we on on this
is it? Who should have had the baby? I think
we probably need Solomon for this one. This is a
tough one. Yeah, the people whose jeans the baby is
or the person who birthed the baby boy, Oh my goodness.
I mean it's a it's a calamity. Welcome to twenty
twenty five. I mean that is a calamity. Well, this
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happened in twenty twenty three. But yeah, whose side are
you on there? There's like, there's no somebody, a deserving
person is losing there. I don't want this brave new
world so well.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I mean IVF.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I think many people think IVF is good for mothers
who want to have the ability to be mothers.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
But for sure. But on the other hand, rotten tomatoes
for raising Arizona ninety one percent.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I just wanted to drop that in there. You're very
bad at changing the subject. TJ says a wife, and
I did IVF. It's very expensive and it's grueling. We
came out with five embryos, we lost one, but now
have four beautiful children. My fear is people going through
this process and then discarding multiple viable embryos. Financial assistance
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is fine and all, but it scares me with folks
wasting embryos. Also, wife and I joke about us getting
reimbursed like we should for our student loans.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Lol.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yeah, that's a complicated thing. But for people who want
children or having fertility issues, the idea that this exists,
that's a blessing. You can't have a fertility place, get
the embryos mixed up. Could you imagine? Now, obviously they
should lose this lawsuit. Whatever the lady is asking for,
she deserves to get.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I don't know. I feel like this will go back
and forth. Can you imagine the lawyers on this case.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Well, there's gonna be a lot of them, because whatever
happens here is gonna be something that's going to be
used every single time something like this wherever to happen again.
Hopefully it never happens again. Who has hurt? Who is
her embryo? So where do you come out on it?
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Well?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I think that the people who it's their genes, they're embryo,
they should have the baby.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
I know she gave birth to the baby and she
said she was bonded to the baby, and she wanted
to keep the baby even though it wasn't her genes.
But it's not their fault that their genes were put
into another woman's body.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
If this does go before a judge, they're gonna have
to really resist to just go full on Solomon with.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
This, you know what, I mean, it will, but we
it's the this is like a precedent thing, like if
this ever happens again, how are we going to handle it?
She already has relinquished custody of the kids. She's not
getting the kid back, but she should be given plenty
of like dollars, interests, whatever it takes from this fertility place,
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this IVF place, Coastal fertility specialists in Georgia, because they're
the ones that screwed everything up. I mean, it's their
fault any of this happened. She's already suffered enough. All
she wanted to do was to have a baby, and
she wanted to take care of it. She's a woman
who's like getting on the edge of being able to
have a baby at all, with or without help with
fertility treatments, and they helped put the wrong embryo for
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her to take care I mean and you're not gonna
know that. You're not going to know it until the
baby is born. And that's when she said, Okay, this
doesn't look like mine. It wasn't hers. They DNA tested it,
and the couples who it was, they probably I think,
I agree that they deserve to have custody of that baby.
But if that's the case, the IVF place has to
give a ton of money to the woman that went
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through all of that and she doesn't even get to
keep the baby. Just a horrible, all round terrible thing. Anyway,
if you have gone through IVF for if you're hearing
this and you're, you know, have a different opinion on
what exactly is going on with it, feel free to
email me Emory at kfab dot com or you can
call four oh two five five eight eleven ten four
(08:10):
oh two five five eight eleven ten news Radio eleven
ten KFAB.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Emory's songer I'm on news radio eleven ten KFAB.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
A woman in Georgia went and got her fertility treatments,
was pregnant and had the donor and everything, like you know,
she she had anticipated what the baby would be and
what it would look like. Recognize that the baby couldn't
possibly be hers. They DNA tested it. It does not
have her genes in it. It was a mix up
at the fertility clinic. She was sued for custody of
(08:42):
the baby by the people whose actual genes were belonging
to the baby, and then she is now in the
process of suing the fertility clinic, which makes all the
sense in the world to me. Well, I have just
questions about IVF and if you have experience or opinions
on this, I'd love to hear from you. At four
oh two, five five, eight eleven ten, Rich is on
the phone line. Rich, Welcome to our show today. What's
going on?
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Hey, hello everybody. I just tuned in and I was
hoping you're going to have a light topic. But this
is kind of a deep one. There's so many angles
in this. As it said that, the best way I
can see of doing this is really taking it step
by step, every single part of it. Uh. My concern
(09:26):
is as you're going through this, the child is growing,
and at the rate that the courts will move, you're
looking at the easy two to three years. Yeah. One
part of me is saying, which this is a very
difficult decision to make is that the child becomes the
(09:46):
custody of the state.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Well yeah, well, Rich, I just sorry to interrupt, Rich,
but they already have like say, she was already sued
and the custody has already been awarded to the genetic
parents who didn't birth her. But but that she's suing
now just I think for damages basically for the fertility
clinic to pay her money for what she's gone through.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Yeah, well I'm still this should this should you know,
whether was neglegent or incompetental whatever.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
But yeah, it's a crazy story, man, Like not many
of these do. You just feel bad for everyone involved,
you know, But.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
I said, that's kind of how it goes. Some of
this to a certain degree is new West and new
as far as that technology. But if you're familiar with
the scriptures as far as what happened with Abraham Ishmael
Higg and Sarah is kind of a crazy time then too. So,
you know, but I really feel for the child, really
(10:48):
feel for the child and the child coming up if
both of all the parties involved, if they can show
luck towards the child. And I don't know if cold
parenting or what, it's a mess.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
You know for sure, and I think that's the best
thing there is if this woman could at least still
be a part of this young person's life as they
grow up. And I'm hopeful she's still in her thirties.
I'm hopeful that she has the ability to try to
have another child if she so chooses to do so,
because she's kind of been robbed of that experience that
she so desperately wanted to have because of something that
(11:22):
was not her fault. It was something that was the
fault of the fertility plant. So it's it's crazy stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Rich. I appreciate as always you calling in man, Thanks for.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Listening, right, everybody, stay warm.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
We'll try. Yeah, we'll try.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Steve's on her phone line at four oh two, five, five, eight, eleven, ten.
Welcome in, Steve. What do you think about this?
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Well, on a scale of one to ten, how emotionally
scarred and hurt is she's got to be a minimum
at eight.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Right, Oh, at least I couldn't imagine.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Yeah, and you can make an argument for for eleven
I stole depending on her mental state.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Absolutely so. Anyway, so are we talking millions, tens of million,
the hundreds of million? What are we doing for.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Well, it's a lot less than that. According to her attorneys,
she's seeking a judgment in excess of seventy five thousand
dollars and punitive damage, recover attorney fees for all of
the like her being sued by the genetic parents and
this treble damages, and any other cost. So it's really
not as much money as you would think she would
(12:24):
be due in something like this. But again, I think
you probably sign a waiver of something, Steve, don't you
that says, Hey, if this doesn't turn out exactly how
you planned, you can't sue us because there's a chance
your body just isn't like taking this. But this is
a completely different problem. So I'm not sure what like
the because I'm sure there's plenty of paperwork you have
to sign before a place like this even does anything
to you.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah, but there's no way you can dismiss your own negligence.
I ow one hundred percent agree. I would really hope that.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
I mean, seventy five thousand seems a lot less than
I would be asking, to be completely honest, But you
know who am I.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
If I was her doctor, I'd go down to the
bank and I'd write a check for whatever she wants.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
This is all she's asking for, Yeah, Jane.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Asked time, asking enough for an attorney to make a dollar, right.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Well, and that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Well, and that's why they put any attorney fees or
recovered attorney fees are also going to be uh kind
of separated in there. But Steve, this is the other
thing too, Like you said, the emotional damage is way
more than any dollar amount that she could get, right. Like,
I've had days where, you know, I feel like I've
been a success and I have, you know, enough money
to be able to like live a solid life, and
(13:32):
sometimes like I don't care about that. Like sometimes sometimes
like yesterday when I talked about, you know, my car
trouble and all that stuff, sometimes that's all I think about.
Like this is one hundred thousand times worse than my
day yesterday. I don't know how you ever recover from
this experience.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Well, time heals all.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
Hopefully there's enough time for it to heal.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
That's a That's that's my hope as well. And I
think it could go a long way if she has
a chance to at least see that baby. But Steve,
thanks for calling man. Really appreciate you. Yeah, that that's
some wild stuff, man, That is some wild stuff. TJ
sends a follow up email and says it's the genetic
parents that do deserve the right to have the child.
The IVF clinic needs to be sued into oblivion. The
(14:16):
hang up is they don't store frozen embryos on site.
They get shipped off and there are too many hands
involved and too many mistakes can be made. It makes
a It makes a big difference, man. It makes a
big difference when we're talking about this stuff from a
very fundamental perspective and makes it difficult, difficult to understand.
Got one more time for one more call here. Let's
(14:37):
take James here. James, thanks for calling in. What's on
your mind?
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Hey? I just loogled IVF and I wanted to make
sure I knew what I was talking about. And so
they go in, they retrieve the egg, they fertilize it,
and then.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
They put it back. Yeah put it so she got
the wrong egg?
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Yeah, yeah, what happened to the other egg?
Speaker 2 (14:58):
So that right, And that's the other thing. There wasn't
an answer to that, But apparently some of these embryos
do get wasted. According to an email from a guy
that TJ who sent me a couple of emails, who
actually did this for all four of his kids.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
They used IVF for all four of their kids.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
But he says there's just the They do not store
frozen embryos on site. They ship them off and other
people get involved. So that's what he says from his experience.
I don't know exactly what the operation standards are at
this place in Georgia specifically, but it does seem like
it's not as simple as, hey, we got this thing
(15:34):
right here. You know, there's there's been doctors that gave
people like the wrong heart or something right like they
and somehow that happens. I don't know how it happens, James,
but they misplaced They put an embryo back with this
woman and it wasn't hers, and there have been no
answers as to where hers ended up. Okay, yeah, you
(15:57):
would think that the other family that this was their kid,
maybe they got it, but that apparently wasn't the case.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
Yeah, maybe somewhere in the world that reverse happened.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
You know, it's incredibly possible, James. And that's the one
thing about this stuff that a lot of people are
just kind of like, uh, is this the kind of
technology that we need to invest in. I think it's
good that people want to have children and they're willing
to go through these steps. At the same time, though,
I mean, look at what could end up happening if
things go south.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
That is certainly something else.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Thanks James, appreciate the call.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, what a wild story.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
On a scale of one to ten, that's like a
nine and a half of just like everything that could
go wrong did go wrong for that one woman and
other people involved. The one place that needs to answer
for that is certainly the fertility treatment place, the coastal
fertility specialist. I think we'll hear more about this as
this case either get settled or a judge actually hears it.
(16:53):
Three twenty eight when we come back, got a fun
interview coming up for you, and much like Rich said,
hopefully a fun topic. We got a fun topic coming up,
so stick around on news radio eleven ten kfab Emery Songer.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
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