Would you clone your dog?

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I got my mowing, slash mulching, slash trimming, slash cleanup
of my house, at least on the lawn side of things.
Got just the gutters, plus the there's a couple other things.
Got another thing, another boundary that I'm going to spray

(00:22):
on the house. For my rodent friends who are trying
to get into my house, you are not welcome. If
you're listening to this radio station right now, get out
of my house. If you're in my house. We've been
dry for a few days now though, so like, have
we figured it out? Probably not, but you know, maybe
it's the temperatures. You know, it's a good chance to

(00:44):
kind of seal things up a little bit more. It's
just weird, you know. They can fit in the little
tiny things, and they're smart.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
They'll figure it out too. They'll come back another time,
try again.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
So, rats, have you ever been around a rat or
like held a rat or seen a rat? Uh in person?
Not like you don't don't be picking up wild rats.
I'm talking about like, don't do that pet rats because
I know people who had a pet rat.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
No, not rats, a lot of different rodents.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Rats are insanely smart.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, I mean that's that they do so many research
studies on them and or historically.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Have Yeah, and I don't know that in and of
itself can be maybe a little bit controversial. I'm not
here to talk about that. What I am here to
talk about is, holy smokes. You watch those guys. You
can train them to do anything. There are rats that
go down and they can like find stuff like in
rubble like you could. You could train them to go

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like find something and bring and come back to like
alert you of something which is you know, like it
is somebody in there, and did somebody find something?

Speaker 2 (01:52):
A police rodent?

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah, look it up. It's a real thing because they
can get into such small crevices and you can train
them to do anything. Not that I'm gonna go find
a wild rat and try to tame it or anything.
Nor am I going to have a pet rat, because
you know, I have a couple of large dogs that
would probably be quite interested in making sure that rat
wasn't alive for too long, if you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
I looked up police wrote in and it showed me
the movie Utopia.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Fair point.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
That's fair like that, that's funny.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Yeah, is a rabbit a rodent.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
No, but I think it's probably the closest thing to
what that is.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Because the two main characters, because Utopia two is coming
out and it's a rabbit, Judy Judy hop and what
is what is guy's name?

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Nick?

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Nick? Something? The fox to her and a fox or
her partner's a fox.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
It is not a rodent.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
A rabbit is not a rodent, but a fox is
not a rodent. Also, correct, So there maybe there's a
rodent on the on the staff somewhere that we're not
thinking about. Anyway, that's not the point. The point is
dogs would he eat rodents? At least mine probably would if

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they saw that little thing running around. And I'm not
going to do that to them because that's not going
to be healthy. But beyond that, you know, they are interesting.
You can find videos online of them getting trained and
got me to thinking. When I saw this story, I
didn't know what to think, and I've spent the last
I don't know, several hours trying to figure it out.

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Tom Brady revealed in an interview that his current dog, Juny,
is a clone of his late dog Luna, who died
in December of twenty twenty three. The dogs were cloned
by Colossal Biosciences, a biotech company. Brady is an investor
in using blood collected prior to Lewa's death. I read

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that headline to you, and what's your immediate reaction. I've
seen a lot of bad things about cloning, like what
just movies or TV shows or skits where cloning has
gone very wrong and it becomes this morphed beast that

(04:22):
is no longer what it was cloned to be. All right,
you're onto something. There's a So I did some research
when I was naming my fantasy basketball team. I wanted
something pretty obscure, and I found the story of the
Peranian ibex. Now, the Pyrenees Mountains is where Paranian comes from.

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But the Pyrenees Mountains that's like where Andre is. That's
the like the northern part of Spain, southern part of France.
It's the Pyrenees Mountains. And there used to be an
eye called the Peranian ibex. Now there are other ibex
species that have kind of taken over and been there,
but the Peranian ibex went extinct at like the turn

(05:09):
of the millennium, like the last one that they were watching,
and they were trying to figure out if they could
find a way to make the Peranian ibex survive. And
it died, the last one died, And what can you do, right,
I mean, nature's going to nature. There have been species
go extinct in a variety of different ways for all
sorts of different reasons. So why was this one so

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special in the Pyrenees mountains when there are other different
types of ibex still in the in the mountains. And
if you're not familiar with what an ibex is, it's
kind of a fancy looking goat. I mean, it's really
just kind of a European style goat. Yep, big ole horns,
big horns. And this, this ibex goes extinct. So the

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scientists and certainly the people who were observing conservationalists and
all these people who were trying to figure out what
to do, who are certainly sad by the passing of
the last Peranian ibex. And I don't know what makes
a Peranian ibex any different than some of the other
you know, like the Spanish ibex. I'm sure they're different

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ibex species. Let me see, probably geographical to some degree. Okay,
So the Iberian ibex, which Iberia is the peninsula that
Portugal in Spain is on, which is right pushed up
against the Pyrenees Mountains. Well, the Peranian ibex and the

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Iberian ibex, you would really have to explain to me
what the difference is. Maybe it's just like the shape
of the horn by a little bit. Maybe it's their size.
It can't be much. Well, they didn't like this idea,
So the Peranian ibex becomes extinct in about two thousands,

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and the Iberian ibex is doing great. It's of least concern.
There's gosh, thousands and thousands and thousands of them, and
they think the population's increasing there in northern Spain. But
they still wanted to try to revive the Peranian ibex.
So you know how they did that. They cloned it,
They tried to clone it. They tried to clone it,

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and out pops a Peranian ibex. It was the first
animal or organism population of real animal that was successfully unextinct.
And then it died three minutes later because of physical

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defects in one of its lungs. And they haven't tried
again since. I don't know, you know what this thing
was alive for. I don't know what the plan was.
Another question that we can ask ourselves is just because
we can, does that mean we should? I don't know, right,

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and I feel bad that you had a species of
animal that you felt like you could try to save,
even though I think there's a subspecies that exists now
and is doing quite well that looks exactly like the
other one. And anytime an animal dies for any given reason,
if you're a conservationalist or a conservationist and you think

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you could have done something to save it, I get
it that weighs on you. You want to do better
next time, you want to have another go at it.
They cloned it, but it couldn't survive. So yes, there
are problems with the cloning process. I'm not one hundred

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percent sure.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
What the.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
I'm not one hundred percent sure that this is a
good idea and under any circumstance. Now, with that being said,
Tom Brady said this clone. Obviously he's an investor in
the company, so that probably has something to do with it.
But his quote was, I love my animals. They mean
the world to me and my family. A few years ago,

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I worked with Colossal and leveraged their non invasive cloning
technology through a simple blood draw of our family's elderly
dog before she passed. He says, it gave my family
a second chance with the clone of our beloved dog.
And he's excited. How Colossal and Viagin which is Viagin
pets and equine that was acquired by Colossal, they have

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technology that they think if you're losing your pets, this
is a way in theory that if you wanted to
have a basically carbon copy of your pet that you
just lost, you'll have one. So now I'm going to
go away from the whole clone part of this and

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how complicated that in and of itself can be, and
I'm going to go shift the conversation into would you
clone your own dog or cat or goldfish or whatever?
If you have a beloved pet that you just get
along with super duper well, do you think the answer
for you and your heartache is to get a cloned

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dog that has as similar a personality, traits, size, any
sort of physical attributes that your previous dog did to
replace that dog once it passes. Would you clone your
dog or your cat or whatever your beloved pet is

(10:56):
if the option was presented to you as a way
for you to have the same dog. Essentially forever dog
gets old passes way, You're really sad. It's a sad thing.
Would you do a cloning thing if the option existed.
Let's not think about money, let's not think about resource.
So let's just say I can do it. If you

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wanted to get a clone of your dog or your
cat or whatever, I can offer that to you, and
it's going to be as close as possible to the
previous animal that you're trying to recreate. Would you do it?

Speaker 2 (11:35):
My first instinct is yes, I think, you know, maybe
my dog's old. Shoot, I know its time is coming soon, yeap.
Catch me in a vulnerable moment knowing that maybe it's
coming soon.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah, yep.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yeah. Now my dog who just turned seven, I may
be like, well, you know seven with it. I would
hope for a few more good, solid years and then
we can look another direction. But man, in a vulnerable
time with the dog that you know is old or sick,

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I feel like it would be something that would I
would do.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
So I became a big dog. I've always been into
dog dog.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Here too, we're on the same page.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yeah, So like I grew up having dogs in the house,
a couple of cats too, But I really connected with
the dogs, And it wasn't until I became an adult
and had my own dog and I adopted my first
Greyhounds where I was like, yeah, and now, all of
a sudden, I get it. I get the attachment. I
get to love. It created a different feel about you know,

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the companionship that you have with a dog like that,
and losing them when I was a kid, it hurt
and I was sad, but it wasn't the same as
when I was an adult, when I really felt like,
these are my best friends. But I don't think under

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any circumstance would I try to clone my dog now.
If I could give my dog the Sorcerer's Stone from
Harry Potter, which would give you immortality, if I could
make my dogs immortal, I could freeze them at a
healthy state, in a good age, and I knew they'd

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be there for the rest of my life. Man, that'd
be tempting. That'd be really tempting. But it's not what
life is about. This is the whole. I hate to
bring politics back into this conversation, but think about it,
like term limits. You're going to be if you have

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a term limit, if you are if you know that
there's an expiration date on what you can do at
your job as a legislator, You're going to be more
apt to trying to be as effective and efficient as possible.
Every day is gonna matter. Every day counts. You don't

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want to waste any time that you have. While you're
doing that, think about life the same way. If you
had unlimited life, would it be the same for you?
Would it make would you feel like the moments mean
as much? And I don't think it would. No, it wouldn't.

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So the fragility of life in and of itself makes
your relationship with any living being, honestly, whether it's a human,
your dog, your cat, anything, it makes it mean so
much more knowing that you have a finite amount of
time together. And I think not just because I I

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love my dogs, but I also respect what me and
this individual have been through. Yeah, you could give me
a clone of PJ or one of my deceased dogs
like Pyro. You could give me a clone of Pyro,
and I love Pyro. I really miss Pyro. I would
have to retrain this new Pyro from scratch. He's not

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the same dog. The personality might end up being the same,
but I have to put the same type of work
in to rebuild that the memories aren't the same. This
is not the same individual dog. While I understand that, hey,
this was a really cool dog and I want to
have one just like him again and hopefully lives longer
this time, that's not fair to actual, already living dogs

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that have their own personalities that are natural that their
own DNA has been passed down for generations of different
parents and grandparents and their own lineages, and they may
need a home, and you can build a more legitimate
and genuine connection and relationship with an animal like that

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that is already here on earth, then try to recreate
the relationship that you had with a dog that you
no longer have in your life. And that's why, even
if given the opportunity, I don't think, I don't think

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under any circumstance to me that there would be a
reason for me to think that that would be at
all a good idea. It's not going to save my
sadness when I lose the initial dog. It's not going
to save the memories into the new dog. You can't
just like bake the memories of the brain to the
new animal, and you have to still kind of start

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from scratch, building your own relationship with this new animal,
even if it's very similar to your old one. It's
you have to start over from square one. Phone lines,
you're up. We'll take a couple of calls quick.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Here.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
David's on the phone line. David, welcome to our show today.
What's on your mind?

Speaker 4 (17:12):
Well, I just listening to that last bit of the conversation.
That's kind of the point I was getting. That was,
you know, you can clone your dog, which I wouldn't.
I would never do that, but I just believe it's
gonna would be total disappointment because it's never that dog.
It will never be that dog. It may look like

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it have some of the personality traits pretty but you're right,
it ain't gonna have any of the memories. It ain't
gonna understand what went on the past with you, what
you did. And then you're gonna be looking at this
dog that is not exactly like the dog you had,
and you might be disappointed and hurt. You'll still be
in love with the dog. It's still a dog, you know,

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and it'll grow up its own way. But I just
believe it'd be more pain in that than than gain.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yeah, so kind of.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
The point I would do that.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
Yeah, if you put.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
A loved one that passed away, yeah, I mean they
don't know you.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yeah, it's the same it's the same person, but you
have no like that individual has no relationship with you.
You have to build that from scratch regardless, you know.
And with your point, David, I think that's really important.
You would have expectations for what the behavior and your
relationship would be with this new the new dog, and
that those expectations, like, unless it's one hundred percent perfect,

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they're not going to be met and it will add
to some disappointment and I think maybe even Jade do
you a little bit in your relationship. I think it's
a great point, David, and I appreciate you bringing that
up to me today.

Speaker 4 (18:47):
All Right, thank you very much, guys. Good conversation.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yeah absolutely, Kenna, real quick, I'll squeeze kennah on here
before I hit the bottom of the hour, Kenna, Welcome
to eleven ten kfab.

Speaker 5 (18:59):
Hi Jenna.

Speaker 6 (19:01):
How about a hunting dog.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Now, see that's an interesting conversation because now that's not
just a companion. Now, this is a worker, right, Like
if you're an NBA team, and I like, if you
have an NBA team and dog, Yeah, but once my
point would be like, wouldn't you want to clone Lebron
James over and over again just for the efficiency? Like
if I have a good hunting dog, I want the
good hunting dog.

Speaker 6 (19:24):
Well, the hinstincts are there, and I mean and the
my own you know, he's the mild tempered and stuff
like that.

Speaker 5 (19:30):
If it was the same dog, That's what I would like.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
That's a you know what, I actually can see that
that actually makes a lot of sense when you have
a working dog like that, especially if it's a good one. Jenna,
thanks so much for calling in. That's a great point. Dogs.
With the news that has come out that Tom Brady
has cloned his dog, his dog Lua, who passed away

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in December of twenty twenty three, and his current dog
Juny is a clone, affirm He's also an investor in
Colossal Biosciences, which is a company that does this sort
of thing. So of course you know he's got an
inside track to doing that if you'd like. But we've
been talking about whether or not this is something you

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would do if given the means, or if this is
just a bad, bad idea altogether. Phone lines are open
four two, five, eleven ten. Rich is on the line. Rich,
welcome to our show. It's on your mind.

Speaker 7 (20:29):
Well, I think it's kind of a crazy idea, but
I think they're missing out on a lot of the
stuff they're born with. So, for example, the big dog
is typically the alpha and the runt is typically a
little bit more timid, and so you take that out
of the equation, I think you're taking away a lot
of what the dog would potentially become growing in.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
I'm assuming a test tube.

Speaker 7 (20:50):
But other than that, I think what people like is
the old dog, right, and so it's going to be
five years before that dog gets old. And that's kind
of where I think their enjoyment is when the animal died.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah. See, yeah, they's just a disconnect. And just like
the lineage, it's not like your dog just kind of
takes on the spirit. The dog's spirit takes on the
body of this other dog and just picks up where
it left off. I mean, you really are starting from
scratch with your relationship. It's a good point. Rich, Thanks
for calling in today. You bet I don't know the

(21:29):
I could understand the concept and then the working dog thing. Right,
if you had a very very strong hunting dog, or
maybe even like a border Collie or a farm dog
that just was apex, I can see why you might think, yeah,
I would like to have that same dog again. But

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considering all the different dogs that probably are already out
there that need homes. You talk about the mental makeup
of these animals and the hierarchy of who they they
are based on every tiny little experience they've had. And yes,
they don't have the mental capacity of all the memories
like we do, but they remember stuff and the runt

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versus I mean, like my my male pyro, he had
some runtish things that we noticed about him versus PJ,
who's a big dog. He's not really an alf at all.
So I don't know exactly what the disconnect was. My
seventy pound greyhound really bullied my ninety pound greyhound a
lot more than the other way around. So why did

(22:34):
that happen? Well, it had a lot to do with
their makeup, their mental makeup every situation that they found
themselves in with other animals like that throughout their life.
Sarah's on the phone line at four h two five
five eight eleven ten. Hello Sarah, welcome to our show.

Speaker 8 (22:52):
Oh hey, Emory, Hope having a great day.

Speaker 9 (22:54):
Thank you, Peyton.

Speaker 8 (22:56):
You know, I'm really concerned about this. I'm not a
owner at the moment, and I understand that families who
have that and then they have and it pets are
really important. However, I think this goes into a realm
that humans should not start walking and start delving into

(23:18):
with cloning. You've already mentioned some of the reasons why
it's a bad idea emory, and there's a reason God
is the creator and we are not. And I think
the next step then would be cloning humans. And let's well,
let's clone a human that doesn't have this kind of
visibility or this kind of problem, or we want we

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want our daughter to have this kind of here in
this kind of eyes. They're already doing that with selective abortions.
I think, when did you stay out of this? Let
that be in the crea preatest part of life, where
he is the one you know there is the conception
is when life begins, and that's with the man and
the woman a husband and wife. But I'm the one

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who does the creating and the and the forming of
the baby.

Speaker 5 (24:03):
In the mother's room.

Speaker 8 (24:04):
I think cloning is just as limits.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
It's a It's also a good point, Sarah, when you
think about it from that angle and for that situation altogether.
And there's a lot of examples of like, hey, if
we can do it with this, couldn't we do it
with people? You're right, it's probably some territory I don't
think we should be entering. I appreciate the call, Sarah,
Thanks for listening to our show. I want to move
to Jeremiah now on the phone line. Jeremiah, welcome to listening,

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Welcome to the show, and thanks for listening to us today.
What's on your mind?

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Actually, I was going to say the same thing that
your last caller did about how many steps would it
be before we went from cloning pets to actually cloning
loved ones that we missed. Yeah, And the other thing
I wanted to say was was branchise of movies about
why we shouldn't be cloning animals.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
You know what.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
I think those are called Jurassic Park. Yeah, that that
I remember when they were like, hey, look at this
mosquito we found. We can actually take the blood from
the mosquito that has been like in this gym, like
crystallized and we're going to be able to make dinosaurs
out of it. And guess what, it didn't go so
well for those guys after.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
That, exactly.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah, that's a good point, Jeremiah. Good good stuff today.
Thanks for calling in and being a part of the show.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
Thanks, sir.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yeah, I'm surprised we haven't talked about this yet. But
what about the greyhounds and athletic performance, you know, I
mean there's some elite race dogs out there. Yeah, similar
to working though in that way.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Yeah, but this is the thing too. It's just like,
like I mentioned earlier with the NBA, if you could
clone Lebron James and you could just make more Lebron James,
or if you want to bring Michael Jordan back and
have him play NBA basketball again, I mean, could you
just find a way to clone him? Feels kind of
disingenuous to the whole point of what we're doing here,

(26:04):
and that again, it's an interesting concept. I want my
hunting dog, or I want my you know, I want
my working dog in some way. I think part of it,
like I said, is if you could just keep recloning
the best of the best, then what space is there

(26:25):
going to be for anyone else or actual individuals, you know,
dogs or humans. You know, dog racing in the United
States is going away. But if it weren't and we
played that game and we just found ways to clone
the best dogs and just have them run against each other,

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there would be there would never really be a reason
to breed greyhounds ever again, because you would really just
want to clone the best ones over and over again.
And what happens after that? So I don't know, what
do you think?

Speaker 10 (27:03):
Well, you know, anytime we tried to play god, it
always ends up bad, you know, and you know we're
talking not just dogs. But if you do that, then hey,
if we can do a dog like you're talking before
dinosaurs or whatever, you know, then why can't we do
a human? And But the thing is is that whenever

(27:24):
we tried to do that, I just think it always
turns out bad. I have you know, have you ever
seen the movie Boys from Brazil? I okay, it's about cloning.
It's about doctor Mengelen. Of course it's a movie. But
he had a way. He had he was back there
with trying to clone Hitler. And what he did is

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he he cloned them, and all these babies were out
in the world, and but he had to have the
same like the people were talking, they had to have
the same environment, and so they studied Hitler was so
they had to go back. His dad died at a
certain age. So in the movie, doctor Manglen had all

(28:07):
of his other Nazi buddies go out and kill the
fathers of all these babies that were cloned.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
At this certain time.

Speaker 10 (28:14):
Oh interesting, Well, yeah, it's a really interesting movie. You
should go and you should watch it.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
It's very good.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Yeah, Brazil, Yeah, I'll check that out. Hezeus appreciate the
call as always, man, thanks for listening.

Speaker 9 (28:25):
You.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Teresa's on a phone line four two, five five eight,
eleven ten. Welcome in Teresa to eleven ten kfab Hi Emory.

Speaker 11 (28:34):
So you have you have greyhounds? I know, yeah, my
dogs are beagles. I've had beagles since I was thirteen
years old. We were on our fourth one and my
last one died a couple of years ago unexpectedly, and
it's just, you know, each one of them. My initial
response is, oh, I would love to just keep that

(28:55):
one forever. But each one of them, as you get
to know them, you know, when they're new, it's kind
of awkward. You don't know each other very well. As
they grow on you, they have their own traits that
are very endearing and very unique to them that you
would never have if you just had the same dog

(29:16):
forever and ever, especially since it is not really the
same dogs, you know, like you were talking about earlier,
So it doesn't have the same like what's what's the
what's the specialness of that if they don't have the
same memories of you that you have of them. Yeah,
and that and it just kind of a yeah, affects
the whole relationship.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Yeah, Teresa, and I appreciate the call it today, Thanks
for listening to us.

Speaker 11 (29:41):
You bet.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeah, that in and of itself, you would really hope
that the people who would think that this is a
good idea would then be able to like compartmentalize that
and realize, Okay, maybe this isn't a good idea because
none of this this dog's not going to know anything
about me. Cheryl's on the phone line, Cheryl, welcome to
our show today. What's on your mind?

Speaker 9 (30:01):
Thank you. My point is there are thousands of dogs
being euthanized every single day all over this country and
there are so many rescue of facilities and they are overrun.
There's dogs that get dumped, and I just think people
should take care of these dogs first. I'm a rescue person.

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I have never bought on a fancy dog. I just
get rescues and they are worth every penny.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Cheryl point love it. Thank you for calling in. Cheryl,
have a great day you two bike. That is the
other just real world point to make is if you
really want a dog, there are plenty of dogs out there,
and you can find one, even one that might be
a mud or an All American dog as they call it,
or one that may have a little sketchy history. There

(30:54):
are people that could help certain dogs like that. I'm
not telling anybody what they should do. Have purebred dogs
even though they were race dogs, you know, like they're
purebread dogs. But it's the idea of they're already alive
and they need a home, they need to have a
good life. We don't need to be bringing new dogs
or cloned dogs into the world just because we want

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the exact same type of dog that we had before.
Bob's on the phone line, Bob, welcome into our show today.
What are you thinking.

Speaker 12 (31:21):
About, well, they can clone the animal, but they can't
clone the personality. It depends how they're raised, how they're trained,
and everything you get complete. The dog may look like
your previous dog, but it's not going to have the
same disposition as the ones he get lost.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah, I mean, can't be done well. And even if
you gave it the exact same environment, it takes just
one little difference in the way that that dog was
raised for it to learn some new behavior, and it
will not be the same dog at all. It will
take just like one little butterfly effect moment, and that
dog is going to end up behaving very differently than
its predecessor, even if if it does look the same.

Speaker 12 (32:01):
Yeah, it's it's good they can chase. They can chase
squirrels instead of retrieved ducks.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
You know, yeah, exactly, it's it's a good point. Bob
as always appreciate the call today. Uh, and lastly, we'll
squeeze one more in here. Jenna is on our phone
line at four O two five five eight eleven ten. Jenna,
welcome to eleven tin kfab.

Speaker 6 (32:26):
You know, you know they clone corn, they clone you know,
apple trees, they do all that stuff. They already clone everything,
you know, the foods we eat and stuff like that.
You know, they just make it better and better and
tell it's best it is.

Speaker 5 (32:42):
Yeah, so they're already doing that. So I just wanted
to throw that out there. And and I'm sorry, a
hunting dog there, they're bread to have the instincts, so sure, yeah,
a hunting dog is different than most dogs.

Speaker 6 (32:59):
You know, they have the instincts.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
And for sure, Yeah, I appreciate the call. I appreciate
it all.

Speaker 8 (33:05):
Jen.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
I'm running out of time this hour, but I do
appreciate it, and we thank you for all taking part
in that conversation. The whole, my whole thing with it
is it's a bad idea. I mean it really is.
And for all the different reasons that people have said,
love your dogs though while they're here, because we only
have so many days with them,