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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, it's always a pleasure. Emry.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Let's start right off the top of what you're looking at.
We talked to you about a lot of international news
last check. We talked about a possible peace deal that
was being discussed, potentially even agreed to by the Ukrainians.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Where are we on this.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Is everybody at least got the same thing in front
of them at this point, between Russia and Ukraine and
the United States.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Well, it feels like documents are being passed back and forward,
and every time they get past, they've been amended one
way or another. Over the weekend, we have three days
of talks between American and the Ukrainian negotiators, trying to
get a deal that the Americans think that Russia might accept,
but also it's acceptable to Ukraine. They didn't quite get
(00:54):
to that point. I don't think something was sent to
Vladimir Zelenski, but he is now, having spoken to to
European leaders, is trying to present a peace plant of
his own back to the United States. What he fears
is being forced into a position whereby Russia comes out
of this stronger by taking up large ways of what
(01:15):
is internationally recognized as Ukraine. Parts of Ukraine that have
been seized by Russian forces and parts of Ukraine. The
Russia aspires to these but hasn't done so yet. Ukraine
also fears that a ceasefire deal would lead them open
to a future attack, a further invasion by Ukraine when
the world's back is turned, so they want security guarantees
(01:36):
to be part of this deal. What Vladimir's Lensky has
been saying in the past few minutes, and he is
in Italy right now, is that Ukraine has committed to
real peace. He's ready to present what he calls refined
documents to the United States in the near future. He
knows he needs American support at this point.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah, with very fascinating developments, but I've always kind of
taken this dance in the last couple of years at least,
is that Vladimir Putin really needs something to show his
people that this whole thing was worth it, and he's
gonna want to, you know, if that's Ukrainian land, whether
that's you know, the knowledge that knowing that you know
(02:17):
he's got resources that are in Ukraine, he feels like
it's a victory. Maybe we can get to peace. There
is that at all compatible with anything that Voladimir Zelensky
would be willing to take here, even if there were
security guarantees for the future.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Well, one of the most critical issues is that of territory.
Vladimir Zelensky's being urged to see land to Russia because
Russia has taken this land by force and according to
President Trumpet times, according to Vlader Frutsin, the realities on
the ground have to be reflected, whether or not you
(02:56):
think is right. Vladimir Zelenski says this point. Actually, even
if he wanted to strike a deal by which parts
of Ukraine would be in future recognized as Russia, he
legally couldn't because the Ukrainian constitution doesn't give him the
power to change the borders unilaterally. It would require a
referendum of all Ukraine citizens if they were going to
(03:19):
change the border, if one part of Ukraine was going
to break away and be independent, if one part of
Ukraine is going to break away and be part of
another country such as Russia. So this is a problem
that could end up with this continued stalemate unless they
could come up with some sort of clever solution.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Jonathan Savage from Fox News Radio is joining US today
and we're talking Ukraine and Russia. Trying to get to
a peace agreement has been something that Donald Trump has
kind of taken personally.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
He wants to be known as the peace President.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
He's trying to end all sort of conflicts that are
taking place throughout the world, and this one has been
the trickiest of them. And he's been on the record
saying it's harder than he thought it would be because
he expected Vladimir Putin to want to play ball a
little bit more at a certain point, though, how many
different ways can you put a peace agreement or some
(04:14):
sort of you know, middle ground in front of these
guys and not get any progress. Is there kind of
a timeline that you would anticipate of the United States
involvement in this, or does he eventually just kind of
wipe his hands clean of this and say, Europe, this
is something you have to figure out now.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I think Europe is worried about that, whether we can
imagine a timeline or timeline or not. I think Europe
and Ukraine are worried about being cast a drift by
the United States and by President Trump. The US has
the power, they say, to force Vladimir Putin into making
a deal by putting greater economic pressure in Russia, by
(05:00):
making the war cost more to Vladimir Putin and to Russia.
It's already costing Russian citizens a huge amount. There have
been on both sides of this war, according to reports,
well over a million casualties dead or injured. And you
would imagine the Russian people are feeling this, the body
bag's coming back, the sons not coming back alive to
(05:22):
their families. But Vladimir Putin isn't feeling the effects such
as his grip on the country. So what they want
to do is increase the economic strain on Russia, make
Russia's economy suffer, and Ukrainie and the European Union believe
that President Trump could do more on that.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
So what responsibility is it practically of his though, because
we've heard from Donald Trump on his social media, you know,
every few weeks, especially in the first half of this year.
I just had a great conversation, very productive conversation with
Vladimir Putin. He says he'll do this or that, and
then he had the big meeting in Alaska, which everybody
(06:03):
made a really big deal about, and then whatever follow
up meeting Trump was anticipating taking place after that. I mean,
it never even got off the ground. They might as
well not even have met between the two of them.
There's got to be some frustration on the Trump side
of this of just how little it seems like the
progress has been, even with his influence in these conversations.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah, the summit in Alaska was pretty historic. Vladimir Pussin
got something he wanted out of that. It was being
brought back into the international community in a way, welcomed
him from the geopolitical wilderness. President Trump got a chance
to look Letterin Puttin square in the eye and figure
out who he's really negotiating with, but it ended up
with a stalemate. At times, President Trump has expressed his
(06:50):
frustration with Vladimir Pussin, suggesting that he's not the person
that he knew during his first term in office and
that perhaps is why things have been more difficult than
he expected. He has, of course, also expressed frustration with
the Ukrainians, most notably back in the overla off his
back in February, where that was very awkward, angry scene
(07:13):
in the Ukrainian delegation kicked out before lunch. So President Trump,
the Europeans would like him to feel that this is
important to America that Russian doesn't become strong, Russian doesn't
become stronger as a result of this war. That it's
important that countries cannot unilaterally change borders, cannot just invade
(07:35):
other nations, peaceful nations without which is me being made
to suffer. They would like the rules based order to
be upheld, and they would like the United States to
feel that they have a stake in that. Donald Trump,
he may or may not feel that way. He certainly
would like this war to end because he feels that
(07:55):
Russia and the US should be much better allies than
they are, and that would be for world peace.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Last thing for you, Jonathan, I look at who Russia
is kind of palain around with on an international level.
North Korea is hanging out and helping out on the
ground in Russia. China and Iran have done different military
exercises with Russia. And I know that Vladimir Putin loves
to be a part of a group in some way,
(08:24):
but he has to know that his interactions and his
relationship with these nations are also detrimental to him having
a better relationship with the West, and that includes Donald Trump.
Does he see that or is this something that you know?
He's just he's.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
More in the middle than he is an ally of
those nations.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
I think he's been because he's been cast aside so
much by the West. He has tried to tilt the
world's polarity further east, creating what he and the Chinese
president describe there is a multi polar world. So he
has built alliances with China and India, the two most
populous countries on Earth, to very large countries in terms
(09:09):
of their economies as well, to try essentially to show
that he doesn't need the West in order to be powerful.
China taking advantage of this, getting cheap oil from Russia
because Russia can't sell as many countries as they used
to be able to sell, but also China, I think
feeling that anything which causes discord and disunity in the
West is pretty good for the East. So there's an
(09:32):
awful lot of people who perhaps feel that this war,
while it's been bad for Ukraine, while it's cost the
West a lot of money, has strengthened other parts of
the world politically, even if Russia is arguably suffering economically.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Jonathan Savage doing great reporting is always from Fox News Radio.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Jonathan, thank you so much for the information today.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Thanks Emery
Hey, it's always a pleasure. Emry.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Let's start right off the top of what you're looking at.
We talked to you about a lot of international news
last check. We talked about a possible peace deal that
was being discussed, potentially even agreed to by the Ukrainians.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Where are we on this.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Is everybody at least got the same thing in front
of them at this point, between Russia and Ukraine and
the United States.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Well, it feels like documents are being passed back and forward,
and every time they get past, they've been amended one
way or another. Over the weekend, we have three days
of talks between American and the Ukrainian negotiators, trying to
get a deal that the Americans think that Russia might accept,
but also it's acceptable to Ukraine. They didn't quite get
(00:54):
to that point. I don't think something was sent to
Vladimir Zelenski, but he is now, having spoken to to
European leaders, is trying to present a peace plant of
his own back to the United States. What he fears
is being forced into a position whereby Russia comes out
of this stronger by taking up large ways of what
(01:15):
is internationally recognized as Ukraine. Parts of Ukraine that have
been seized by Russian forces and parts of Ukraine. The
Russia aspires to these but hasn't done so yet. Ukraine
also fears that a ceasefire deal would lead them open
to a future attack, a further invasion by Ukraine when
the world's back is turned, so they want security guarantees
(01:36):
to be part of this deal. What Vladimir's Lensky has
been saying in the past few minutes, and he is
in Italy right now, is that Ukraine has committed to
real peace. He's ready to present what he calls refined
documents to the United States in the near future. He
knows he needs American support at this point.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah, with very fascinating developments, but I've always kind of
taken this dance in the last couple of years at least,
is that Vladimir Putin really needs something to show his
people that this whole thing was worth it, and he's
gonna want to, you know, if that's Ukrainian land, whether
that's you know, the knowledge that knowing that you know
(02:17):
he's got resources that are in Ukraine, he feels like
it's a victory. Maybe we can get to peace. There
is that at all compatible with anything that Voladimir Zelensky
would be willing to take here, even if there were
security guarantees for the future.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Well, one of the most critical issues is that of territory.
Vladimir Zelensky's being urged to see land to Russia because
Russia has taken this land by force and according to
President Trumpet times, according to Vlader Frutsin, the realities on
the ground have to be reflected, whether or not you
(02:56):
think is right. Vladimir Zelenski says this point. Actually, even
if he wanted to strike a deal by which parts
of Ukraine would be in future recognized as Russia, he
legally couldn't because the Ukrainian constitution doesn't give him the
power to change the borders unilaterally. It would require a
referendum of all Ukraine citizens if they were going to
(03:19):
change the border, if one part of Ukraine was going
to break away and be independent, if one part of
Ukraine is going to break away and be part of
another country such as Russia. So this is a problem
that could end up with this continued stalemate unless they
could come up with some sort of clever solution.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Jonathan Savage from Fox News Radio is joining US today
and we're talking Ukraine and Russia. Trying to get to
a peace agreement has been something that Donald Trump has
kind of taken personally.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
He wants to be known as the peace President.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
He's trying to end all sort of conflicts that are
taking place throughout the world, and this one has been
the trickiest of them. And he's been on the record
saying it's harder than he thought it would be because
he expected Vladimir Putin to want to play ball a
little bit more at a certain point, though, how many
different ways can you put a peace agreement or some
(04:14):
sort of you know, middle ground in front of these
guys and not get any progress. Is there kind of
a timeline that you would anticipate of the United States
involvement in this, or does he eventually just kind of
wipe his hands clean of this and say, Europe, this
is something you have to figure out now.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I think Europe is worried about that, whether we can
imagine a timeline or timeline or not. I think Europe
and Ukraine are worried about being cast a drift by
the United States and by President Trump. The US has
the power, they say, to force Vladimir Putin into making
a deal by putting greater economic pressure in Russia, by
(05:00):
making the war cost more to Vladimir Putin and to Russia.
It's already costing Russian citizens a huge amount. There have
been on both sides of this war, according to reports,
well over a million casualties dead or injured. And you
would imagine the Russian people are feeling this, the body
bag's coming back, the sons not coming back alive to
(05:22):
their families. But Vladimir Putin isn't feeling the effects such
as his grip on the country. So what they want
to do is increase the economic strain on Russia, make
Russia's economy suffer, and Ukrainie and the European Union believe
that President Trump could do more on that.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
So what responsibility is it practically of his though, because
we've heard from Donald Trump on his social media, you know,
every few weeks, especially in the first half of this year.
I just had a great conversation, very productive conversation with
Vladimir Putin. He says he'll do this or that, and
then he had the big meeting in Alaska, which everybody
(06:03):
made a really big deal about, and then whatever follow
up meeting Trump was anticipating taking place after that. I mean,
it never even got off the ground. They might as
well not even have met between the two of them.
There's got to be some frustration on the Trump side
of this of just how little it seems like the
progress has been, even with his influence in these conversations.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah, the summit in Alaska was pretty historic. Vladimir Pussin
got something he wanted out of that. It was being
brought back into the international community in a way, welcomed
him from the geopolitical wilderness. President Trump got a chance
to look Letterin Puttin square in the eye and figure
out who he's really negotiating with, but it ended up
with a stalemate. At times, President Trump has expressed his
(06:50):
frustration with Vladimir Pussin, suggesting that he's not the person
that he knew during his first term in office and
that perhaps is why things have been more difficult than
he expected. He has, of course, also expressed frustration with
the Ukrainians, most notably back in the overla off his
back in February, where that was very awkward, angry scene
(07:13):
in the Ukrainian delegation kicked out before lunch. So President Trump,
the Europeans would like him to feel that this is
important to America that Russian doesn't become strong, Russian doesn't
become stronger as a result of this war. That it's
important that countries cannot unilaterally change borders, cannot just invade
(07:35):
other nations, peaceful nations without which is me being made
to suffer. They would like the rules based order to
be upheld, and they would like the United States to
feel that they have a stake in that. Donald Trump,
he may or may not feel that way. He certainly
would like this war to end because he feels that
(07:55):
Russia and the US should be much better allies than
they are, and that would be for world peace.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Last thing for you, Jonathan, I look at who Russia
is kind of palain around with on an international level.
North Korea is hanging out and helping out on the
ground in Russia. China and Iran have done different military
exercises with Russia. And I know that Vladimir Putin loves
to be a part of a group in some way,
(08:24):
but he has to know that his interactions and his
relationship with these nations are also detrimental to him having
a better relationship with the West, and that includes Donald Trump.
Does he see that or is this something that you know?
He's just he's.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
More in the middle than he is an ally of
those nations.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
I think he's been because he's been cast aside so
much by the West. He has tried to tilt the
world's polarity further east, creating what he and the Chinese
president describe there is a multi polar world. So he
has built alliances with China and India, the two most
populous countries on Earth, to very large countries in terms
(09:09):
of their economies as well, to try essentially to show
that he doesn't need the West in order to be powerful.
China taking advantage of this, getting cheap oil from Russia
because Russia can't sell as many countries as they used
to be able to sell, but also China, I think
feeling that anything which causes discord and disunity in the
West is pretty good for the East. So there's an
(09:32):
awful lot of people who perhaps feel that this war,
while it's been bad for Ukraine, while it's cost the
West a lot of money, has strengthened other parts of
the world politically, even if Russia is arguably suffering economically.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Jonathan Savage doing great reporting is always from Fox News Radio.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Jonathan, thank you so much for the information today.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Thanks Emery
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