Banning Kids from Social Media

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning Cooner country. Okay, my friends, it's one of
the biggest cultural stories, not just in the United States, frankly,
but in the world. Why on Wednesday, just two days ago,
Australia now effectively has begun the first of its kind

(00:24):
in the entire world, a ban on those under sixteen
years old, tweens, teens, children, however you want to define them.
Anyone under sixteen is now banned from using social media,
and in particular they are banned from being on ten

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of the biggest social media platforms, Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, Reddit,
something called kick which I have no idea what it
is Tube, and of course x or formerly Twitter. It
is a comprehensive ban, they It is now being implemented

(01:09):
as I speak. Hundreds and hundreds of thousands of twelve, thirteen, fourteen,
fifteen year olds are seeing their accounts deactivated, deleted from
all of these social media platforms. And according to the
Prime Minister of Australia, and the law apparently has strong

(01:34):
backing in the Parliament they passed it and so far
very strong backing from parents and from children's rights advocates.
They say it is necessary, it is necessary to stop
the assault on our kids' mental health, to stop this sewage,

(01:56):
this toxic pollution that they say is real wiring the
brains of our kids and doing tremendous damage and ruining
their childhood. As the Prime Minister said a couple days
ago in Australia, read a book that's been sitting on
that shelf for a while, Learn a new sport, learn

(02:19):
a new instrument, try to make some real friends, go outdoors,
enjoy nature, take a hike. In other words, start living
like a child again. Now the reason why many of
you probably asking jehheff jeehef Jeff okay ay, if Australia

(02:42):
wants to pass the first ever of its kind, first
in the world, sweeping media a band forgive me on
social media? Social media band? What does this have to
do with us? A in koner country and be obviously
in America. Many countries, including here, now are on the

(03:05):
path to emulating what Australia has just done. Denmark now
has come out and said within a couple of months
they will have a similar law, Norway a similar law.
The European Union as a whole now says they are
seriously looking at copying and following the in the lead

(03:29):
of Australia's footsteps. Malaysia now says they will do the
exact same thing. New Zealand is going to do the
exact same thing. And in Congress there were recent hearings
and now many Republicans and Democrats there is a bipartisan

(03:50):
coalition forming where they're both saying we need to reign
in children's access to social media platforms, and they like
this band. In Australia, if you're under sixteen, fifteen years old,
eleven months, in whatever, twenty nine days or whatever it is,

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you will not be allowed to access most social media platforms,
especially the biggest ones that I just mentioned, from YouTube
to TikTok, to Instagram, to Snapchat, to x to Reddit
to you name it, across the entire Facebook, all across

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the board. Now, the argument for doing this, and the
reason why many many people want to copy it is
that they say social media has been incredibly destructive and
they cite just several statistics. Number one and I was

(04:58):
surprised at this. This is a Gallop survey by Gallop
in which even a majority of young people, those sixteen
and under, say that they find social media to be
highly destructive, that they themselves would like to see some
kind of you know, either a full out ban or

(05:21):
at least more severe restrictions. That it leads to loneliness,
it leads to depression, it leads to cyber bullying, it
leads to suicides, it leads to, according to statistic after statistic,
children being exposed to some of the most grossest, vile,

(05:43):
graphic content imaginable. As one teenager said, I went to
school and there was a person who had been shot
somewhere whatever it was, somewhere on social media, and it
was all over our apps. And I literally saw a
man being shot to death on my phone. And it

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wasn't even the first class yet. And so there's a
a never mind the proliferation of pornography, and on and
on it goes. So many children say they would like
to see some restrictions, if not a ban. It's also
now shown and proven to be extremely highly addictive, to

(06:29):
the point that I get this can't be true. But
then pure research says they got the same numbers. Gallup
says they got the same numbers. Polling firm after polling firm.
So listen to this, and this is not unique to
the United States. These numbers are very similar in Canada, Australia,

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New Zealand, all across Europe. In many places around the world,
especially the developed world, thirteen year olds will spend on
average four point four hours a day, not a week

(07:09):
a day, just scrolling and being on social media. Once
they get to seventeen, it is then five point eight
hours a day. Let's not quibble. That's almost six hours
six hours a day on social media. I mean they're

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spending all their time in front of a screen. And
many experts, many psychologists as a psychiatrists, many health experts
are saying this is the first generation that literally has
been grown up, has been raised with four five six

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every day of non stop consumption of the social media
apps and the social media platforms. That it is doing
something to their brain, that they are being rewired disrupted,
and that they are now seeing sky high reports and

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incidences and cases of depression, of suicide, of loneliness, of
all kinds of body issues where girls think they're very ugly,
or they're too thin, or they're too fat, when there's
nothing wrong with them. It just they go. It has
opened up a Pandora's box. Never mind the vile hatred

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the vile hate that you see on social media all
the time, and it is tearing communities and people apart.
So let me just say this. It's very clear. I
very much restrict and limit the use of my two
children and what they can watch on social media and

(09:09):
what apps are even alloweder platforms to be on. They're
not allowed to be on TikTok, it's garbage. They're not
allowed to be on many things they're not allowed to
be on, and we give them a timer in which
they can only be on for one hour a day.
That's it. That's it. They each have a phone that's

(09:30):
for an emergency to call mommy or daddy if they want.
They can speak to their friends, but that's for them
to have in case God forbid they need to reach us.
And they have a one hour timer and only on
certain media platforms, and we are constantly monitoring them. Now.
I know this ban is popular, and obviously we can

(09:52):
agree to disagree, but I'm against this band and I
don't want it here in America. And I'll tell you why.
I don't want Big Brother regulating speech. I don't want
Big Brother telling kids and even parents what their children

(10:12):
can watch and not watch. What they can do and
not do to me. This is a freedom of speech issue.
I don't want the government regulating what my children or
what I tell my children they can watch or not
watch on social media. And on top of all of this,

(10:37):
whatever happened to parental authority. To me, it is not
the job of the state. And I'm sympathetic to the arguments.
I do think social media on the whole is very
bad for kids. There's no disagreement there. But that's my
job as the father. That's Grace's job as the mother.
Six one seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight

(10:59):
is the number. Okay, everywhere this every time this issue
is raised, it is. It's almost a fifty to fifty issue.
People feel very strongly about it on both sides. Just
so that you know, my wife is completely in favor
of this ban. Grace loves it. Grace wants the United
States to follow in Australia's leads. She wants to emulate

(11:23):
something similar here. I don't, obviously, but the audience very
split already, and we're just barely into the show today.
Six one seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight. Okay,
let me ask all of you because Australia has now
done it, and many other countries are saying they're going
to follow, including here in the United States. And this

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is very rare. You've got many Republicans, many Democrats coming
together bipartisan saying we need to ban social media for
those under the age of sixteen. Now, funny enough, there's
also Republicans and Democrats coming together to oppose so. And

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basically the fault line, not to oversimplify it, but it's
the free speech advocates on the one hand versus the
parental rights in a sense advocates on the other. Parents
say they're overwhelmed they can't monitor their children twenty four
hours a day, seven days a week. That these big

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tech social media giants are you know, they're rigging these
social media platforms to make them as addictive as possible
to these kids. There is tremendous peer pressure at school.
Everybody's got to be on social media, and so there's

(12:53):
just too much. The social pressure, the peer pressure, the
temptations are just too great, and so their kids are
on it. They don't know what to do. They're at
their wits end. It is ubiquitous. It is everywhere, and
they say it is toxic garbage. That ninety nine percent

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of what these kids are watching on social media is
garbage for their brain. It's causing mental health problems, depression, suicide, cyberbullying,
and even worse worse. You now have ten year olds
being introduced to pornography and it's now this is the

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gen Z is the first generation in history in which
they have been consuming porn since the age of ten,
eleven or twelve, and they're saying it is having tremendous
effects on their ability to socialize, to be intimate, to
get married, to have relationships, to have children. So what

(14:00):
they're saying is it's like giving your child a loaded gun.
This is the argument many are making. Others, frankly, that's
more my side are not saying you're wrong. Most of
the criticisms are right. But that's not for the government
to decide. That's for the parents to parent their children,

(14:21):
to take control of those devices. Don't give your child
the phone or do what Grace and I do, which
is limit their time on it and monitor them. But
that this should be up to the parents. This is
about parental control, parental authority, and ultimately freedom of speech.
Because I am convinced that if they can start regulating speech,

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and this is what this is, it's regulating speech and
expression to those under sixteen. It's only opening the door
to regulate more speech. Already they're going after they're X
and Twitter. The European Union wants more censorship. They're censoring
people at home. They're sending putting adults even now in

(15:09):
jail for what they say on social media. So to me,
what they really want this is the end goal. They
want what's called a universal digital ID. That's the endgame
where everybody now must be forced to register in order
to use any kind of social media. I use X,

(15:32):
I do sometimes Facebook, but I primarily get my messages
out on X. It's gonna come to the point that
they're gonna want my name, my address, all of my information,
and then I can and then only by using a
universal digital ID. They can track me. They can track

(15:53):
what I buy, they can track where I go, they
can track what I'm looking at or reading on social media.
To me, they are opening the door for a massive
censorship regime. And this is part of the trojan horse
to do that. It's never about the children. They always

(16:14):
use the children as the excuse. But it's never about
the children. You think politicians give a damn about our kids.
They don't. It's always about more power and more control.
And that's why Grace and I had a very good
discussion last night. And as she says, no, I'm telling you,

(16:38):
you don't know how bad it is, Jeff, it's a cesspool.
I monitor the kids, which is true. I monitor their
social media more than you do. You have no idea
what's out there. You have no idea how dark and
satanic and evil it is and the effects it's having.
These big tech companies don't give a damn about our kids.

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And as she put it, it's almost like cocaine for
the brain. That's what much of this is. Cocaine for
the brain. So I said, look, I hear you. That's
why I want to monitor and limit the kids's time.
I just don't want big brother to do it. And
if I can be confessional again, if I can be

(17:24):
as honest with you like I'm in the confessional, I
have two great regrets in my life, true honestly like
policy political regrets. One that I supported the Iraq War.
I think now it's obvious it was a big mistake.
And I've tried to make amends for that, and I've

(17:44):
rechanged my thinking. And the second big regret is my
support for the Patriot Act, because that clearly was a
a massive violation of civil liberties. But you see, I
believed the intent of what the politicians were telling us.
Six one seven two six, six sixty eight sixty eight

(18:06):
is the number, Okay, should we have a social media
ban for those under sixteen here in the United States
as they currently now have the first of its kind
in Australia. There are now lawmakers, both parties coming together.
They're going to try to pass something next year and

(18:28):
we'll see what happens. But there is a lot of
support for this here in the United States. This idea
already it's almost like wildfire. Denmark now is going to
pass a very similar law. Norway, the European Union as
a whole is now saying they're going to look into it.
New Zealand is going to pass it, Malaysia is going
to pass it. You could see many countries in the

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next six months pass a law very similar now to
what just passed in Australia. Six one seven two six
six sixty eight sixty eight Okay, this is Mark on messenger. Jeff.
You have to be eighteen to vote, twenty one to drink,

(19:12):
eighteen to join the military, eighteen to get married in
some states, twenty one in other states. You need to
be seventeen to get a driver's license. So I agree,
if you're under eighteen, you should not be on social
media because it's brainwashing kids and making them stupid. By

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the way, Grace agrees with you, Mark. That was one
of the big arguments she was making with me yesterday.
She goes, you want to talk about the dumbing down
of America? She goes, My god, it's she'd throw not
just the schools, she said, social media, huge reason. But anyway,
let that go. Mark continues, And COVID had a lot

(19:57):
to do with this, Jeff, by clo using all of
the schools, keeping these kids stuck in the house, and
all they did was watch social media. Although I do
somewhat agree with you, Jeff about parents parental control, parental supervision,
but parents can't watch their kids twenty four hours a day,

(20:18):
seven days a week. They just can't do it, Jeff.
And quite frankly, Jeff, many kids today can't give our
rats behind what their parents say.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
So.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Basically, Mark is saying it's a good idea, let's have
it here. It's just we need it genuinely to protect
our children. Agree, disagree. This is from Brian on Messenger.
He's got a bit of a different point of view. Jeef, Jeef, Jeff.

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Democrats can't tell me what a woman is. I'm gonna
trust their opinions on what's best for my child. Hell oh, Brian,
I'm with you, brother, I'm with you, my friend. Okay,
one more and then we're gonna go to the phone
lines six one seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight.

(21:12):
Larry on Messenger, Good morning, Jeff. I mean, you know
this has worked great on preventing teens from drinking, smoking,
and trying drugs. I mean you know, you know they
all listen to that. You know, you can't drink before
you're twenty one, don't do drugs, you know. So that's

(21:38):
another argument many are making, even frankly, many of the
teenagers are making. They're like, you think we're gonna abide
by this band, You think we're actually gonna give you
our honest age when you want us to sign up
now to see if we're eligible to be on these
social media platforms. We're gonna lie, so we're just gonna

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get around it. You're not going to stop us. So
that's one of the arguments they make. One of the
problems I think, okay, just leave aside the issue for
a second. Whether you're for or against, is that in
this law. Say the children lie. Okay, they say they're sixteen,

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it's under sixteen. So say you claim you're sixteen when
you're really thirteen, fourteen, or fifteen. The child doesn't get punished.
There's no fine, you know, there's no punishment the parents.
And that's another problem. The parents can say, you'll just
sign up for an account. You know, I'm Jeff Coooner,

(22:44):
fifty six years old, blah blah blah, give all my
information and then just give the pass code to Ashton
and Ava and say, okay, guys here have fun. Do
me alone. I'm working. Go ahead, social media away, go,
you know, go wrot your brain on TikTok or whatever.
Go leave that alone. So if the parents break the law,

(23:09):
or if the children break the law, there's no consequences
or punishment or fines for them. The only ones that
will get fined are the social media platforms, and the
fine is as much as fifty million Australian dollars, which
is about thirty three million US. So the social media companies,

(23:35):
if they're not deactivating these accounts, or if they're not
aggressive enough in trying to prevent young people from signing
up and getting onto these accounts and onto these social
media platforms, these companies are going to be fined and
fined and fined. But nothing happens to the parents and

(23:56):
to the kids. Well, I mean, I'm not here to
defend attack, but that doesn't seem right to me either.
If the law is the law, the owners shouldn't just
be on the companies and on the social media giants.
It should be on the parents and the kids as well.
Am I wrong? I'm just throwing that out there. Six

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one seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight. Okay,
let me ask you double barrel question. Do you think
we should ban social media for children under the age
of sixteen? Do you support this kind of a ban?

(24:44):
That's number one? Number two? What has been your experience
with social media or your kids' experience with social media?
Has it had horrible effects? What you're seeing now? There
was just horrifying testimony, just a couple of days ago

(25:07):
up on Capitol Hill. What the way certain groups online
are taking advantage of children, underage children, and they're being victimized,
they're being sextwarded. One for example, they there's one group

(25:28):
called seven six', four the seven six'. Four group this
is one of the worst. GROUPS imaginable, i mean this
is a. Sick group so they're composed of young teens
themselves and in. Their twenties and what they do is
they prey on lonely or DEPRESSED or i, don't know

(25:50):
children who are overweight, or whatever. Socially awkward and so
what they do is they pretend to be, their age,
let's say fourteen, years old and then they pretend to
become their friends online, and say if it's, a boy
they pretend to be, a girl and then they pretend
to be sort of interested in. The boy and they

(26:13):
eventually send pictures, of themselves, you know more nude or
sexually explicit pictures, and, SAY hey i just showed, you
mine show. Me yours and of course these poor gullible,
kids desperate they, send them, you know a picture of
their private part or a picture of the naked, or
whatever and then these this group seven sixty four says,

(26:37):
ha ha, ha ha we've got you with your weiani.
Or whatever and if you don't pay us five, hundred
dollars literally that's. What happened if you don't pay us five,
hundred dollars we're going to send this to everybody in.
Your school we're gonna send it to, your parents to,
your relatives and you're going to be the laughing stock

(26:59):
of the school and. Your town and a lot of,
these kids, for example in one, actual case only had,
thirty dollars couldn't pay the, five hundred got, so desperate.
Committed suicide and this. Is good this is going on
again and again. And AGAIN so i want you.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
To.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Listen now This is Leslie And. Colby taylor they're pushing
for a band Similar. To australia's they are the parents Of,
j taylor who committed suicide after being cyberbullied by, this group,
the Sick sadistic satanic group seven. Six' four they took

(27:44):
advantage of his loneliness and listened to them Roll. Cut
thirty mike they Took advantage of jay's loneliness and his
Kindness and then.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
They completely praid.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
On his insecurities.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
It's almost biblical in this. Definition of? Evil what happened
their boy committed suicide because he was, a lonely boy
had a hard. Time making, friends you know, he was,
YOUNG very young i believe, fourteen or fifteen don't quote,
me on that but he. Was under sixteen and this

(28:22):
day post they put someone out there and posed as
his girlfriend or interested a girl. Interested in him six
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(29:06):
split it's practically, fifty to, Fifty all right so let,
me ask You Should the United states follow australia's example
and band kids under sixteen years of age? FROM social,
MEDIA a. Yes b no and just to show you

(29:29):
how tight, it, is already yes forty, nine, point one no.
Fifty point nine so basically now it's fifty. One FORTY
nine this i predict it's going to be fifty to fifty.
The whole show we. Shall see anyway, You know me

(29:49):
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(30:33):
go right to the. Blazing phone lines It, is FROM
michael And i think michael makes a very. Very interesting, Point,
Good morning Jeff. Good morning michael so parts of our
government are okay with kids under sixteen having a sex
change operation changing their, so called gender but the very

(31:00):
same government now wants to draw the band line for
them with. Social, media Platforms hmmm because, i'm telling you
THE real goal i believe IS. Universal digital id that's,
because you're. Logically you're right their position. Makes no sense

(31:22):
let's Just take the australian. Government for example this is
a very pro trans government that They. Have in australia
they're all for, twelve year olds, thirteen year olds. Fourteen
year olds i'm, talking puberty, blockers hormone treatments even full,
blown you know gender reassignment surgery ie, sex change operations, which,

(31:44):
Are irreversible irreversible we're. Talking genital mutilation we're talking about
hormone treatments or puberty blockers that destroy their ability forgive
me to, enjoy way intimacy sexual intimacy for the rest.
Of their lives but all, of, a sudden now, Oh

(32:09):
my god facebook, is too DANGEROUS being on x. Is too,
dangerous watching YouTube and there is a lot of. GARBAGE on,
YouTube i agree but you, Know watching, YouTube, oh, no, no.
Whoa whoa whoa there hypocrites and their phonies. And, their

(32:30):
frauds now when conservatives say they're in favor of a,
BAND like this, i listen because, LIKE my wife i
RESPECT her because i know she really has the best.
INTERESTS of children, i KNOW that and i know many
social cultural conservatives obviously. And children's advocates these are the
same parents who are complaining, ABOUT you know dei, in

(32:54):
the classroom, and you know pornography being pedaled to kids
in class and the wokeism and the woke agenda and.
All of this so, uh you know SO those people
i listen and listen very intently. And very RESPECTFULLY but
when I have here Democrats Now on capitol hill going

(33:16):
on you know, About the, childern, i'm, like no no
you you forfeited your moral authority a. Long, time?

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Ago?

Speaker 1 (33:27):
Agree disagree okay six one seven two six six sixty
Eight sixty eight to ban or? Not to ban that.
Is the Question coooner Country Lynn. In new hampshire you're gonna. Kick,
Us off lynn thanks for. Holding and, Welcome.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Good Morning jeff i'm, i'm A teacher so i have
a kind of a first hand. Perspective, on THIS yes
so i have been a teacher before the smart and,
social MEDIA explosions so i have Seen the actual, By
the way, I'm a conservative i've seen the difference in. Kids,

(34:11):
THE government yes i understand what you're. SAYING about bands,
i get it but we must protect the week and
there is such a stark. Difference in kids it preys
on the vulnerable and because of the breakdown, of the family,
the weak, kids you know. The isolated kids they're finding

(34:35):
disturbing and perverted sites where they get that connection that
they're not getting. From their, families you know we have
eight year. Olds watching pornography and just like your one of,
your writers said LOOK at, the covid explosion when, that
truly happened when kids were on. TikTok all day look

(34:57):
at that, huge trans movement the. FURRY move, movement i
mean we have to protect them. From THESE sites. AND
i do i understand, what you're saying but just like
your other some of your other people who, wrote and
said we don't, let kids smoke we don't let them
drink under, a certain age this is too much for.

(35:18):
Them to handle and most of the parents have zero
clue what their kids, have access to. What they're doing
and just look at, The School shooters. Charlie kirk shooters
these people have, been you know they've been coerced and
they've been in have been impressed upon by these radical groups. They,

(35:41):
find online.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Lynn Do you work. I'M just curious i know, you're
a teacher but as, a side gig do you WORK
for the cia? By ANY chance because i. Swear to
you it's like you were listening in on yesterday's conversation
at the Dinner table BETWEEN grace and. I almost verbatim

(36:06):
i'm taught almost like examples even that you Gave. It was,
grace i'm like this Is, this is grace this, is
my wife except a little More with. That italian, Passion
you know grace has a couple, of decibels higher YOU know,
what i mean with a kind of look on her face,
like come on how can you?

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Not?

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Get it? Jeff you, Know but uh, i'm like this this,
is my Wife. This is grace let me, Ask, you
this lynn because obviously you're making very. Very good arguments
there's no question you said you knew children before social
media and children. After social media what do you think is.
The biggest difference what's the effect that social media has

(36:49):
had on kids that have been inundated with it compared
to the kids that, you taught before who weren't always
on a freaking phone or staring at some. Social media, platform.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
They're, radicalized they're depressed, they are distracted they've lost connection.
With other kids they're not having their childhood, where they're
playing where, they're interacting socially, it's it's insane. It's really terrible.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Do you think you, think the kids because now they're
so addicted to these social media apps and these, social
media platforms it's do you think that they will abide
by a band because what They're, saying in, australia not
all but many of the, teenagers they go we'll get,
away AROUND it like, i mean literally just what they're

(37:48):
saying is everybody's wasting their time on this, that you
know We, want our instagram we, want our TikTok We,
want our snapchat and we're going to find all kinds
of ways. To get it so this is All it's
gonna it's gonna end up being one. Massive bureaucratic nightmare,
what say you do you think it? Can be banned

(38:11):
or do you think they, so crave it they, so
need it they're so. Addicted to, it you know. It's
like drugs they're gonna get it. No matter what.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
It's.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
Absolutely like drugs they are. Addicted to it so it's
too late for, the current teenagers. It really, is i'm
sorry but you're not going. To, change that however the,
middle school kids the young, kids coming up it's not too,
late for them and we can at least make it
much harder and at least then the, parents have sorry, that's,

(38:44):
you know illegal you, can't do that instead of some
of these parents, who don't understand, who don't care who,
don't have time. Just allowing this so at least it's
one hurdle that they.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Could.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
Possibly, Have, interesting.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Interesting, Lynn very, good thank you very very much. For
THAT call and i heard many people. Make that argument,
grace made it, but even others, many others, saying you
know it's it's a big weapon in the hands of
a parent in, a good way, telling, the kids. Look
it's illegal. You know That that's very, first of all
it wakes, the, parent, up, Well, Whoa whoa, No, I'm,

(39:19):
sorry no jimmy you. Can't have? That why. Not it's
illegal so it kind of forces the parent to, get
more involved, and you know it's kind of as a deterrent. To,
the kids no you. Can't have it why it's. Against the,
law oh look let me just throw this. Out there
again THIS is what I said to. Grace last, Night

(39:41):
i'm like i'm repeating my my family dinner conversation. On
the area just take. THE phone, away i mean if
it's that destructive and it. Is very bad i'm. Not
saying that and some parents are struggling with monitoring their kids,
or you know, overseeing their kids and you know? What
they're watching? What or not you know what. They're not watching,

(40:01):
you're the parent, you're the boss. You're the, authority just
say here's take the phone out, of your, hand thank you.
In my. Pocket that's it by you're, not, Watching Anything,
okay but jeff you want your child to be able
to reach you in case. Of an, emergency by here

(40:22):
buy him or her. A flip phone here's. A flip
phone and, by the way they're coming. Back in fashion
i'm serious because now you have, Adults who say i'm
just so tired of being addicted to. The screen, always
you know, this is urgent this, is an emergency this is.
A news break This is like i'm, always the, screen the,

(40:42):
screen the. Screen the, screen, THEY go look i want,
TO take hikes i want to go. OUTSIDE in nature
i want to have. A social life i want to meet.
AND talk people i don't want my life to be dominated.
By THIS smartphone so i only have. A flip. PHONE
that's it i CAN call and. I can text i can't.
Do anything. Else that's it so. Forget the, kids even

(41:06):
now adults are going to. The flip, phone, so okay
here here's. A, flip phone. Here flip phone, you need
me you? Know my. NUMBER you. Know I mean what
I'M saying is i hear, all The arguments but i'm
just uncomfortable with the government again superseding what should be

(41:27):
the role and the. Authority of parents parents have the.
Ultimate say you if parents want, to stop this they.
Can stop this it's just they're letting the children. Do
the parenting, the, children say oh everybody at. SCHOOL has
it i have. To, Have, It okay. No i'm sorry you're.

(41:51):
Not their friend you're their. Mother and father. You're their
guardians you're supposed to, over you know watch them and take. Care, of,
them well WELL you know i always say this. To,
my kids hey so if everybody was jumping, off a
bridge you want me to say it's okay for you
to jump. Off, A bridge no the, ANSWER is no.
I don't care if they, all do IT what? Do

(42:12):
i care six one seven two six six sixty eight,
sixty eight anyway, just, my? Opinion agree Disagree, Phil in
salem Thanks for holding. Phil And, welcome.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Hi Jeff your favorite Croatian, From the Bill My.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Fellow croatian american how? Are you?

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Buddy, Doing, Well listen jeff i've. MENTIONED this before i
was in medicinal chemistry working for big companies for. Forty
one years i've got thirty. THREE medical patents i DID.
Work for naida ask them too drug abuse as A.
Part of nih you know what the problem with the
phones are is that it is an. Instantaneous dopamine reward

(42:57):
every time. They get alike they can actually measure. The
dopamine response they did A study and i'm not Sure
it Was Colorado, or colorado state but they took the
phones away from a group of kids, for two weeks ages.
Nine to thirteen every single one of them. Exhibited withdrawal
symptoms we had, diary and, nausea, stomach cramping. Withdrawal severe depression.

(43:19):
To two weeks they couldn't get. Away from it, and
my god the mere receptor. Is very strong that's the
addictive receptor. In the brain and that's all. It is.
Is it's. Dopamine they get they want. To be rewarded.
YOU get alike i went to, the storm board bread
from my mom and it. Was ON sale oh i got.
Twenty seven likes that's what it. Comes to me it's

(43:40):
basically counting points for basically rewarding. Their own brain it's
a met form. Of mental masturbation but even nature prevents you,
from self gratification but not when it comes to pressing
a button. ON your phone i use only a. Flip
phone myself i've never owned AN iPhone because i like
to look AT people when i. Talk TO them if

(44:01):
i need to talk to them, from far away, LIKE
you said. I dial them i don't. Need to scroll
my phone. IS a doramax i have nerve damage from.
POTURE to chemicals i can drop it from a three
story building and. It still works try that. With an iPhone.
Not gonna, happen but parents the problem is that parents
have abrogated their parental rights because they're too busy making

(44:24):
money for all. The good things they give the kids.
WHAT they want I left when i talked to my
ninety year old, mom and say, you know what you're.
A terrible mom you never Took Us, To disney, world.
She said no We went To central Pox Ledding, in
new york where. We grew up in, the winter time
we went Up to the catskills. In the summertime we
went on trips on all hikes and did stuff that

(44:45):
was fun as. A family unit You know that marxism
and the communist system does not want. A nuclear family
they have wanted to break the nuclear family because your
soul belonged, to the state your heart belonged, to the
state and your mind belong, to the states not. To
your parents and that's Both. Fascism, and marxism phil.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
You, Nailed it phil if, you don't mind and you're,
MAKING excellent points i just want to go back to
something you said earlier about the dopamine and they did
a study what is it nine year olds to, thirteen
year olds and you take away the phones, for a
weekend and it's like. A heroin, addict you know it's
like they go into withdrawal and it has some of
the very, same, symptoms. Diarrhea nausea, nausea forgive me, they become,

(45:33):
nauseous you know.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
They.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Start shaking phil, we ban drugs even some of the drugs,
that we've legalized, say like marijuana you have to be,
what is it eighteen or twenty one to be able.
To smoke it so if this really is a, form
of narcotics an addiction and operate similar to drugs. On

(45:56):
the brain we make it illegal, to use drugs why
shouldn't we make it illegal, to you know TO use say,
i don't Know TikTok or snapchat, or you know all
these other. Social media platforms, in other words, we ban alcohol.

(46:17):
We ban drugs you can't drive, until, you're sixteen seventeen
you can't vote, until you're eighteen you can't, you know
whatever you can't drink until. You're twenty one we have
all these regulations in. Place for minors what's so bad
if we regulate this for? Minors as well what Say YOU.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
FILL i'm i i do believe it. Should, be, REGULATED.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Okay, Okay I do and.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
I'm a constitutionalist. We've spoken before, i'm linked Conservative but socially.
I'm pretty liberal, the, problem is look kid, Has an
iPhone he's going. To use it they'll find a way to.
Hack a system how about if you're under the, age
of sixteen you can't. Get an iPhone you have to get,
a flip phone which does not have the capacity to download.
ALL those. Apps i can't People always say i'm. Sending

(47:05):
You something your facebook Pages. Don't have facebook how about
indeed off, of That too because i'm no. Longer practicing
chemists how? About? TikTok no sorry? You know? What call
me you want to, talk to me you want to
get your message across? Style the number is it so
hard to press ten buttons on your phone? To call
me maybe we can talk about other things other than

(47:25):
telling me that you bought a loan of bread for
your mom at this dorn it. Was on sale tell
him to get. A flip phone at the, age of
sixteen they can go and trade, that cell phone, the
flip phone, for an iPhone which then you can have every,
app you want because by then your brain is a.
Little more formed but we know that from the ages
of five. To fifteen, puberty my god kids are. So

(47:47):
easily SWAYED that's why i was against sex, changes for
children that they could make. THEIR own decisions a kid can't.
Make a decision he doesn't know from one day to
another what's. Going, To happen why because he's either got
testosterone through his veins or she has estrogen coursing, through
her veins and so they're going to. Make rash decisions
they're not going to. Think things out and this is,

(48:07):
where a parent if they, are good parents can sit
down and explain facts of. Life To them and i'm not,
talking about sex talking about the whole world that you can't.
Just trust everyone and, By The, way greg jeff that
seven to six floor group has been Tied to a
nigerian group which. Prey on them they've already made multiple
arrests on the seven six flour and they Have to

(48:29):
be Nigerian And some east african countries because while after
robbing old people of their funds, because they say you
know your family died in, the car accident you've got ten,
million dollars waiting but we need ten thousand dollars to.
Free it up so the lawyers and they give them
the money without. Doing any homework kids do the. Same
thing too you can. Sell them anything you can Probably Sell,

(48:49):
a brooklyn bridge maybe not, the whole bridge but maybe
would you like To own a. Rivet or two, i'm Telling, YOU.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
Jed on i, got to say you're making some. Really
good arguments as, usual As Usual my. Croatian AMERICAN friend
if i don't hear From, You, before christmas phil have
a Very, happy merry, christmas and again thank you. For, that, Call,
okay look phil let's widen this out. A little, Bit, phil,
says look no go even. One step further ban them

(49:20):
having an iPhone or a smartphone, until they're sixteen and,
then you know they can trade in the flip phone
for the iPhone when, they turn sixteen and they Can
get the facebook and the TikTok and the instagram and,
you Know whatever the reddit and the kick and everything
else now that you know they want to ban from

(49:40):
those that. Are under sixteen, in other words treat it
almost like, it's a gun or it's a form, of you,
know it's drugs it's a, form of narcotics, that it's.
Bad it's poison so why would you want your child
to eat even have? Access, to? That agree disagree six

(50:04):
one seven two six, six sixty. Eight, sixty eight now
another argument that, people are making and you tell me
what you, think of this is many parents when, they're,
pressed about well why do you allow your child to
just talk To people on facebook or on, You know

(50:25):
Whatever snapchat or. Instagram or whatever would you take your
child and put them in a room full of strangers
and just let them? Talk to anybody and most parents
say no